/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>19,797: Toya (Nijisanji)
>17,734: Gura (Hololive)
>15,872: Pekora (Hololive)
>12,091: Fubuki (Hololive)
>11,954: DebiDebi (Nijisanji)
>11,501: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>10,577: Ratna (Nijisanji)

Notice that, pretty much from Jan 1st forward, this is just an historical oddity because it has ZERO relation to the actual live viewership of the streams of the day.

>>15880236
jesas, has anyone managed to hit 80k after the new year?

>>15880236
who the fuck cares about tallies while this shit is still going on?

>>15880490
He sent Susan back in time to destroy (ro)bots.

Cut those who watch several streams at a time. Those who watch through third-party sites. Those who watch one stream from several devices at once.
And of course bots.
So now we see true numbers.

numberfags, are you OK?

>>15877423
There's no "waiting room bug". The waiting room is considered separate to the actual stream and it takes time to filter people in to the actual stream because some people actually need to click play to get it started. What is going on now has absolutely NOTHING to do with that and it's tiring explaining that to newfags over and over.

The CCV drop after the stream starts was accurate, some people would be left behind in the waiting room and would enter the stream within 5 minutes after it started. This is CCV being understated and not displaying how many people are watching, with it being off anywhere between 50% to 90%

We really need a copypasta to explain this

Asus had a waiting room of 1m+ that was culled to 50k
https://i.imgur.com/oP3tnyi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gB3eMnO.png
https://i.imgur.com/CNgXesD.png

>>15880780
JUST

>>15880295
Not even close. The sad part is we definitely would've had at least two 100k+ streams by now. Mikorone and Pekora Pokemon

Actual previous thread
>>15877502
>>15877502
>>15877502

There's no bug, your oshi bots her views and there's nothing more to it. Stop crying in every thread now and stay in your shithole

>15881506
>I'm clueless
>I have no explanation except bots
>I'm going to shit on the thread anyway
>Because some other shithead that lurks here for bait took images here and started a new thread for Yous
>I think I'm the sane one here

>>15881637
>I AM THE BOT
>I AM THE ONE WHO VOTES

I wonder how many people are actually watching Kuzuha, there's lots of mahjong pros in his chat

>numberAIDS is real
Bros???

>>15884397
Mahjong pros?

>>15886143
MACHINE LEARNING.
GONE SEXUAL~

>N I K E D
>I
>K
>E
>D

>>15880780
Is Asus a youtube sponsor? Imagine the shitshow if they were and got angry at youtube for the cull.

>>15880295
Pekora got 60k

>>15880780
ASUS USED 950,000 BOTS TO PAD THEIR NUMBERS

>>15886212
ENNA NO!

>>15880780
holy jesas

>>15886212
>5 minutes in
Too soon

>>15886212
damn it went sub 100 for a moment

>>15886229
probably yes anon. especially if somebody were to bring up botting allegations against asus.

>>15886212
At this rate by Friday the Nike will simply become an L

do we have a long term consequence take on these culled numbers, it's bad right?

>>15886212
nijifriends...

>>15886347
>IT'S ACCELERATING

>>15880780
Even more funny they had like only a couple thousand responses for their poll after 2 minutes.

>>15880780
>104k views after 2 hours
The waiting room was a bug and the CCV was correct?

One of the funniest things is the chart NOPING out of hitting some thresholds
>Mysta Ryas, you can hit 2,999 3/4 but not 3k today

>>15880750

>>15881506
No I think I'll make another thread about it

>>15886408
It's possible, but the question the becomes "how did the waiting room get so bloated"?

>>15886368
Youtube said they're looking into it, so either they'll do nothing and in a few weeks Pekora and Kuzuha will be 2views, or they'll revert it (probably to the post-2020 state where it's still obviously being filtered but not as much)

>>15881506
I will make another number thread just for you, retard.

>>15886408
Remember youtube does pause counting views periodically to 'verify' them, you need to wait a while longer before you can infer anything from the VOD

>>15886462
It’d be interesting to see pre-2020 numbers for everyone. Would show how big the vtuber scene really is.
I know it’s an impossibility but a guy can dream.

>>15886539
You realize how fucking stupid this whole thing would make Youtube look if they reverted more than the 2021 cull, right?
>tee hee for the past year we knee capped our strongest organic streamers haha come to youtube guys
This one they can reverse and quickly pin as a temporary bug, that one will never be undone.

>>15886368
>long term consequence if it's never fixed
Vtubers flee to Twitch or graduate, end of story

jwu it doesn't slip?

>>15886636
You're probably right, and that makes me sad

>>15886709
Just woke up from an 8 day long coma?

>>15886636
yes, the best thing they can do now is revert to the 2021 model. revert more than that and that will just be even more free advertisment for twitch.

Proof the Hololive thread directly reposts from /#/

Also to >>15886077 who said the Hololive thread is dead or matome bait, first of all the anti thread no longer gets any matome articles due to its board location, the matome all come from なんj not from the anti thread, second of all it's more active than /hlgg/, the anti thread has an auto-archive limit of 1000 and typically archives in 20 minutes at prime time and 30 minutes otherwise. An hour when no-one streams. Also the anti thread is the exact equivalent of /hlgg/ in case anyone is confused by it's naming being an "anti" thread.

>>15886790
>my tweet is getting posted on 5ch

feels weird man

Anyhow here's the Calli clip talking about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_Sju8gM08Q

>>15886636
Their platform is down 40% since the 2020 cull. They can revert the 2021 cull immediately and 2020 cull slowly and advertise how their Twitch streamer acquisitions managed to turn the ship around. Or they can continue to slide into to irrelevance as streamers continue to flee the apparently sinking ship.

so...uuuuuuhhh...is there a decent alternative to youtube?

>>15880776
You just made this shit up.

>>15886462
There are actually 3 scenarios.
1. They revert or patch it.
2. They state it's working as intended
3. They remove public numbers for live viewers.

Scenario 2 is the most damaging to vtubers on youtube and will most likely end up with platforms swaps after a while.
Scenario 3 isn't harmful directly, but it removes youtube as a real contender for having a streaming platform. It might also be extremely memorializing due to the cull in fact remaining, but only is viewable by the creator.

Humans are bored monkies to evolved for our own good. If we see big numbers many ask "Cool, what's going on there, maybe I should watch it as well.". If they go with scenario 3 they will inevitably kill their on platform in regards to live streaming.

Any poetically gifted anons that can adapt The Bone of My Sword to current shitshow?

>>15886790
Afigaiji...

>>15886636
If they were smart, they could slowly reverse the 2020 cull by relaxing their parameters or unculling accounts over a period of several months to simulate organic growth.

>>15886867
nothing similar
you have twitch, facebook, twitcasting, niconico..
that's all i know
bilibili

>>15886867

>>15886848
If they do that, they'll have to:
-revert 2021 cull asap and whoopsie poopsie it, no biggie
-SLOWLY revert 2020 cull so it looks like there's an incline
If they unleash double to triple CCV that WILL be noticed.

>>15886931
>organic growth.

>>15886790
Matomeshills troll on the fastest threads to bait or samefag, then repost it in cherry picked form on NanJ to suit their rrat.
It's incredibly blatant because they either don't have wacchoiID's (which is a paid feature only matomeshills use) or sometimes they do and they leave behind an clear trace of trolling.

>>15886932
Mildom

Does anyone have the updated Monthly Superchat spreadsheet? (picrel for November)

>>15886931
>if they were smart

>>15887018
The sky is falling bro, ain't no one care about that shit. Go to playboard and make your own if you care so much.

>>15886932
Only niconico is a direct alternative really. All the other have none or limited time for vods. Swapping to Twitch and uploading vods is not the same.

You also have Mildom for what it's worth. Better streaming service then niconico at least.

>>15886848
NGL I kind of want to see the Q1 2022 results if they don't revert this latest cull. How low can we go?

The actual reason youtube has been clamping down on "fake" viewers is because its been overrun with scam streams over the last couple years and now with the removal of dislikes it's become even worse.

>>15887103
And to clarify, I'm not saying NicoNico is a good service. Just that they are a better comparison to youtube directly if you go by features.

>>15887129
Yes, crypto has ruined PC gaming and now YouTube streaming

>>15877546
Decided to make a primer because I constantly see people posting the same dumb questions all the time. If you think there's missing information reply to the post with further additions modifications.
>spoonfeeding
Unfortunately, this isn't a 4chan problem so the trains and planes need to be loaded and the babies and retards need to be fed.

>What is happening?
Users are being flagged by the YouTube anti-spam view detection system and kept from being displayed on CCV. You can tell because a lot of channels are showing an abnormal drop in audience size, the likes on a video are becoming larger compared to the CCV but the VOD views after the video ends remain stable as it has been before this was happening.

>Who is affected?
Everyone that exibits "bot-like" behavior. It doesn't matter if you are a free member with or without adblock, a YouTube Premium user or a creator; as long as you start doing things that makes you look like a bot to the AI, your account will not count towards the CCV.

>How do I know if I am flagged as a bot?
Look for a stream with 0 (or very low) views in YouTube Gaming or YouTube Live (the former has a better chance because of its structure) and open the stream. If the number doesn't change after 10 minutes, you are almost certainly flagged as a bot. Make sure that the view counter is stable when doing this. You might also want to try browsing using a private borwsing tab without logging in to verify that the CCV counter works. Avoid doing both of these things at the same time on the same device.

>So my oshi doesn't get my views?
Just for CCV during livestreams. Regular VOD views and and the total watch time for all the videos that you watch will be counted as long as you watch them in a manner that doesn't make the YouTube AI thinking that you're trully a bot and bans your account.

>How can I increase the CCV to the livestreams that I watch?
You don't, because all you risk is triggering the AI if it starts searching for other parameters and could end up affecting not just you, but the streamer as well. However, if you intend on doing so anyway, you just need to open a "private browsing" (Incognito, InPrivate, etc) instance on your browser and go to YouTube manually, search for the channel/livestream and open the stream without logging in. If you want to still participate, you can open the stream using your account on a completely separate device that isn't your browser to make sure the CCV counter isn't affected.

>>15886931
>if only

>>15886790
Anon, it's a small world. Lads in here post matome and 5ch, matome post /here/stuff and 5ch, 5ch posts matome and /here/stuff.

When you are in "certain circles" you start realizing the range this humble shitposting site has. In one minute you are shitposting with your lads, next it's being shown in some parliament in some god forsaken corner of the world in an investigation

>>15886832
Damn, based Mori bringing it right front and center there. I think out of Myth only Ina and Gura are the only ones to not bring any attention to it

>>15887018
Nijien without streamlabs

>>15886636
>You realize how fucking stupid this whole thing would make Youtube look if they reverted more than the 2021 cull, right?

>Susan: oh yeah we hide Gura real numbers from the beginning tee hee her 194k peak was actually 388k and here second otufit we actually divide her viewers by 4 so her really number were 448k tee hee.
Social media probably would explode

>>15886993
Yes. They don't come directly from the anti thread though I meant. I mean the citation isn't the anti thread. They shit up the thread but it's not the anti thread itself that's being made into the matome articles even if nanj steals rrats and shit from there. The anti thread residents hate the アフィ.

>>15887299
Gura would keel over and die from the stress desu.

They should just make it so only the streamer can see the live viewers numbers, it honestly only encourages botting anyway.

Issues with other numbers, what's going on with Oricon? They haven't updated their daily charts since the 2nd, do they let literally everyone on vacation? Towa... https://www.oricon.co.jp/rank/dis/d/2022-01-02/

Kanata's Agape was 4th on 27th, by the way.

>>15887157

>>15887115
Seeing as how exponential this thing is behaving I think it will plummet to unreasonable levels. It also shows how vtuber communities overlap and it is really throwing shade on the idea that holofans only watch holo and niji fans only watch niji. Recent EN start ups are getting hit too despite people saying holofans don't watch those.

You guys are retarded if you think youtube will ignore every stream watcher eventually being flagged as a bot.

>>15887295
Thanks! Too bad there is no good way to track streamlabs, I know some of the NijiEN girls got thousands of SL donos in December in the Top 10 alone.

>>15887242
lmao I posted the Nene Jun thing from a 5ch image onto here with red text attached, then the 4ch image's text gets referenced and transcribed in a matome article. what a weird world

>>15887313
This, she’s probably relieved about another cull

EN mansanji owakon

>>15887242
Honestly, given the reputation 4chan has built over time both as a place of information you won't get elsewhere and a place you shouldn't post in, I wouldn't be surprised if the ratio of lurkers to posters is unusually high. Whether that's deserved or not, this seems to be what the normalfags believe. Which is why I've tried to tone down my shitposting here because retards on Reddit and Twitter take obvious jokes at face value and turn them into rrats.

>>15887345
>It also shows how vtuber communities overlap and it is really throwing shade on the idea that holofans only watch holo and niji fans only watch niji
That starts from the assumption it's only Holo and Niji being affected for behaviour only Holo and Niji presents.

What is happening does not invalidate that idea (which I don't believe to be true, btw), it could as well be that Holos only watch Holos, Nijis Nijis and the problem is not related to watching Holo and Niji but on the system itself

>>15887299
if they really admit this, Susan is kill so never.

(Not so) daily Chloe update: Sakamata Chloe now has $319,719 in total superchats and just 26 days after her monetization is the 70th most superchatted vtuber ever. Today she surpassed
>Kusunoki Sio

>>15887429
Nah, fake low numbers don't help Gura since she's stopped watching CCV. If her chat is fucking fast she's not getting what she wants

Why do they always do it in December? When they think people won’t notice or care?

meanwhile

>>15887423
Nothing new, I saw incredibly ESL threads on the catalog when Council or NijiEN debuted and the next thing you know Youtube was swarming with 4chan threads DeepL translated into nip as what gaijins think of the next hot thing.

>>15887490
It showed up in hololive first, from what we've seen. Maybe it was showing up elsewhere but it needed something on the order of hololive to be noticeable.

>>15887516
Sio... the 3D date with Towa doko...

>>15887442
The King is not much higher

>>15887442
Go Kiara Go

>>15887522
Fair enough.

>>15887545
Isn't the CCV/like ratio kinda off?

>>15887242
I mean, just look at how far that QAnon bullshit spread.

>>15887658
He probably has several times higher churn rate than the average vtuber

>>15887557
>It showed up in hololive first, from what we've seen.
Only because you only pay attention to Hololive.

I believe this sub 10k stream by Kuzuha on the 25th is one of the first cases. It didn't take a lot of time to recover from the waiting room cull but Kuzuha never had a sub 10k stream by then (since time immemorial)

He usually had 10k right from outside the waiting room cull no matter what he would be doing

>>15887557
You only watch Hololive so how would you even know if it affected anyone else. For what it's worth, people on the livestreamfail post have mentioned noticing the same happening to regular streamers

>>15887658
Yeah, it's actually quite unbalanced. That is very very good engagement.

>>15887658
It's still very high for a normie streamer but way lower than vtubers, yeah.

>>15887690
Nah, that was offline. For all the flak this site and a certain board got those crazy boomers organized themselves on Facebook and meatspace.

>>15887129
I really hate these streams, "Not interested" and report but they keep showing up in my recommendations

FBK’s sub growth flatlined after she got that shiny gastly.

>>15887722
To be fair, it was a goddamn SHILL stream on CHRISTMAS, so it's hard to tell for sure.
What we can be certain of, is that that Hololive Karaoke really no doubt ended up causing a LOT of viewers to get flagged.

>>15887722
I was thinking more than Miko's numbers fell off a cliff after Chirstmas.
>>15887834
I will always remember that Rushia never got within 10% of her waiting room numbers for her part.

Unculled?

>>15887516
This one is fucking nuts to me personally because when I first started paying attention to numbers was during the rise of Sio, at that time she was seen as the rival to Coco at the top of the SC charts and even beat Coco's all-time record with an insane for the time $60k for her 3D. She might not have lasted long before the yabs caught up with her, but 6 months at the top in 2020 was outdone by one stinky orca in less than one. Goodbye Sio, I'll miss your insane earning ability for an indie, and of course your fat ass. And godspeed to that guy who is still comissioning rape porn of you even to this very day.

>>15887884
I think you mean 90%, but to be fair her mic settings were ATROICIOUS and I nearly bailed out listening to her. No doubt many dropped fmout from her part.

>>15887921
Can't stop the two time

* Here is Christmas Day according to vrabi. *
54 streams (and premieres) over 10k.

>>15887129
I think their algorithm needs adjustment and not have this runaway twain effect. Stopping scam streams are great but you have to have a better method than flagging my 15 year old youtube account as a bot.

>>15887921
>Unculled?
no bots

>>15888021
>yesterday's gold would have been 41st on this list

Kotone hit 223% engagement 20 minutes into her stream with a 6 minute poll.
Everyone is aware of the fuckery going on now at least with all the polls flying around.

>>15888096
t.susan

why is susan so racist to nips bros?

>>15888058
The problem is that the scam streams aren't even being stopped.

>>15887921
Gura and Pakora must have like 70k ccv without culling from this year and last.

>>15888143
Their pajeets are retards

>>15888143
If all it takes it anonymous tabs and user agent masking to count as multiple views, of course their latest attempt isn't stopping any of the scams.

>>15888145
I think the culls are now even when you put both together.

>>15888111
isn't a little early ?
like 5 am?

>>15887658
yeah, by normie standards he should be hovering somewhere above 50-60k right now.

>>15886832
>Alright Susan
She's here

>>15888111
Pretty damning but having the time of the poll on screen is something that is noted. I mean anyone can watch the vod and confirm but no one will.

Pic related: This poll was up for 30 seconds but I missed screen shotting that part so it's useless.

>>15888145
what is worse is that both are culled

>>15888300
I caught the poll late since I was reading something else and only managed to screenshot the end result. The problem is she has her head in the way in the DVR

Pomu got Niked too.

>>15886867
The best alternative is to stream on Twitch and upload vods to Youtube.

>>15888372
kek

>>15888058
it should have been easy to just exclude filtering anyone who is paying for youtube via membership or youtube premium but I have a strong feeling that the view count we see now is completely decoupled from the actual number of viewers and is now just an estimate by an algorithm.

>>15888405
This is quite dooming for NijiEN if it propagates through their entire roster

>>15886832
Why are spics like this?

Susan is scared. Susan can’t count and she’s afraid everyone will find out. You dumb bitch. Give my oshi back her numbers.

>>15887129
>If you send 1 BTC you get 2 BTC back
Do people really fall for this shit? This is 2004 Runescape tier scams

>>15888405
wait at least 10 minutes first. that duration of being live is literally worthless for data.

>>15888479
I think they don't do that because cryptofags are precisely the kind of people who'd have all their bot accounts member to the channel if that'll get them past the spam filter. Remember you can set your membership to be as low as 1 dollar and you can pay for it in Argentinian money.

>>15888548
>>15888666
same fag?

>>15888549
The transactions are public and just in that pic alone it shows history of ~3btc being sent in total and tons more being withdrawn out. Ofc it may be samefagging but people have fallen for way less sophisticated shit.

>>15888711
no I'm mirroring posts from the numbers thread to piss off that one faggot who thinks this thread should be a containment thread

>>15888549
Yes. Boomers are fucking dumb

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-57983458

>The scammers said they needed 10% from him to get his money out. He said he was ill, and collapsed while on the phone and they were still on the line when paramedics arrived.

>During his illness, he kept getting text messages asking for more funds. He was confused and agreed to hand over more money and eventually lost more than £250,000 in life savings.

>>15888796
Those Nigerian prince spammers aren't sending emails for fun. They get a lot of idiots

>>15888838
Scamming stupid people is a noble and worthwhile vocation. Godspeed Nigerian Princes

So this is a bit off topic.. But apparently the US gov is currently having a public consultation in regards to copyright online.
Always good when the government is involved in solving online problems, right?
dmca and contentid might just be the start. Better watch yourself twitch streamers.

How do I stop caring about the numbers. I can’t help but look at them. I can’t help but feel my guts wrenching when I see the vtuber never getting back to waiting room numbers.

>>15888920
write some CSS or a script to hide them.

>>15888920
Quit watching vtubers. Vtubing is dead, at least on youtube.

>>15888920
You're just gonna have to accept that your oshi is gonna become a 2View by the end of the year

nummberbros are we okay

>>15887242
There's been a good number of nips lurking here ever since the exchange thread we had with Futaba a little while after the board first got made, I'm sure there's some from 5ch too

>>15889031
Been better but thanks for asking

Kiara talking about the cull right now.

So Kiara confirmed they're talking about it inside of Hololive, but she's not confident about it getting fixed, ever

>Youtube is killing everyone's algorithms right now
>I've talked about it with some girls who brought it up to me
>It's not that noticeable for me due to the new viewers but it does seem lower than it should
Kiara comments on the number purge

>>15889031
No

>>15889031
i miss the 50k streams and events
it's all so tiresome whith he the baits and shitposting

>>15889188
>>15889198
Cover is probably getting the runaround with their private contact as well, then.

>>15889235
Kiara actually said, it's probably not getting fixed anytime soon. So doesn't sound like they are getting a lot of customer service here.

>>15889235
Lol do you really think Cover will give a shit?
They don't even help the holos when they literally get banned

>>15889031
Yes. Although this has been a tragedy it became a comedy, a high one at that. The race to the bottom is the most interesting part along with the spread of the decay.

Also feels good that some of the schizo rumblings from weeks ago are being realized so vindication is a bit of honey along with the bitter pill.

Not only vtubers are affected by this.
Even kpopfags are mad their live views are getting culled too. Smaller minecraft streamers are getting hit too, but certain special snowflake streamers are unaffected.
Youtube is fucking up big time.

Then again this is not the first time a company blatantly manipulate "numbers". Facebook has been doing it for a long time, not far fetched if Youtube is doing the same.

>>15889280
They already experienced a cull in 2020 that was never fixed, she knows there isn't much hope for this one either.

It looks like slow and steady won the race.

>>15889031
nyo

I want my numbers back goddamit.

>>15889326
When Kiara got deleted they managed to get her account back fairly quick. Since this goes even beyond her, I imagine they are in contact at least. Whether they are making headway. I highly doubt it.

>>15889326
Do you think Cover could do anything even if they gave every shit and went to war with youtube? Youtube paid Ludwig more than Cover is even worth.

>>15889348
All the big tech companies want their numbers to be completely opaque, so it's not obvious when they pick and choose favorites and suppress wrongthink. YT just fucked it up. If they did it well we would have no idea.

>>15889429
With recent growth Hololive is worth much more than Ludwig's contract. Maybe 2 years ago.

I really hate seeing Miko hovering around 10k....her 12 hour stream not even breaking 30k really pissed me off

>>15889361
I kneel

All this YT issue has made me check the livestreamfails and Twitch in general a bit more than i'd like, but it provided some context.

Veibae especially was seeing even more rise than the other Cshojo after the Mizkif gameshow appearance, turns out it's because she's pretty much in the "IN" crowd now and a regular collab partner for Sodapoppin. The main top group of Twitch functioning like vtubers in 2019, in how they collab and talk about eachother to prop both up.
https://twitchtracker.com/veibae/streams

She's regularly being featured on top of LivestreamFail, which in turn gets featured on Mizkif and other's streams, creating a feedback loop of more exposure and more memes till she becomes a household name for the Twitch community.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/rwkag8/rob_uses_masterful_tactics_to_break_sodas_coomer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/rriah4/veibae_goes_off_on_a_juicer/
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/search/?q=Veibae&restrict_sr=1

Also, Gura was pretty much the only popular Vtuber there before.
Due to an in-joke they call her Forsen and regularly feature her clips.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/rwd2ka/forsen_wants_a_dog/
This is where part of Gura's tourists come from, they don't care about Hololive but watch her.

>>15889429
They could just move to Twitch and use Youtube for VODs only

>holo said [x]
>must be true

>>15889031
Not really, no

>>15889480
>they don't care about Hololive but watch her.
That's like 90% of cumsharts

>>15888145
I think Ina's might be the biggest indicator. People post her charts after every stream, and barring internet / YT issues, its almost always a flat bar, with her average ccv being within 10% of her max.
Looking at this, it seems it didn't even finish registering all the viewers by the time the stream ended.

>>15889429
Ludwig got 30 million. Cover should be valued at 100 million at the minimum.

>>15889480
I know you've never used reddit but please replace "www" with "old" in the url in all your links. It infinitely improves the site layout.

This this stream having peaked already this will be only the second stream on Mado's record since August 2021 that Ars failed to beat 2k (with the other being a Nintendo Direct watchalong)

In her previous 7 Pokemon streams, all in December, she's got

>6932
>5790
>6324
>4783
>5836
>5135
>4638

>>15889485
And risk losing their oilbarons by making them re-learn a donation system?

>>15889535
If Cover were up for sale sure but Cover really only has $30 million in assets.
The thing is Cover is a midget in every capacity so blaming Cover for being helpless is dumb.

>>15888711
There's a 5 minutes cooldown for spam

>>15889570
Seems like the Niji females are basically where the Holos were two days ago, give it another day or two and it's going to be an absolute massacre

>>15889556
yeah, that's much more compact. Thanks.
Like going from mobile view to mid 00s desktop view.

>>15889576
Hololive paypigs already donate in different websites's formats, prime example being twitcasting.

>>15888900
Politicians are in favor of the big corporations

>>15889648
And Niji fans still don't think there is a problem...

>>15889591
Valuation of a company is more than just what assets they hold. Future earnings are taken into account too. Considering Cover almost certainly collected at least 50 million in revenue this year this makes 100 million a pretty conservative estimate. Wouldn't you like an investment that paid for itself within 2 years?

>>15889535
Didn't he get 4 million?

30 million is insane, they can never make their money back on him.

Plus, i always said, if you want to make a platform grow, you do it like a football team.
You don't get 2 big guns to retire there just for the merch sales for a couple of years.
You get 5-20 young, good and very hungry players to build a community. Who will try everything in and outside the book because they want to succeed.... you know, like the vtuber community they already had.

>>15889712
Cover is hard to value because a lot of their value is tied up in their brand, and their talents. It's easy to see scenarios where they lose their cache or there's a mass exodus. They came close with the China/Coco situation. Or say if YT decides to ass fuck them without explanation. But yes any valuing a company at 30M when they have some multiple of that in revenue with tons of cash on hand and meteoric growth is pretty dumb

>>15889778
they looked at mixer's business model and went "you know what let's just do this, what could possibly go wrong?"

Hello numberfags. I don't usually concern myself with numbers and just watch random corpos, but I had a question about VODs that I hoped you could maybe answer. If Yashiro streams for 3 hours and 40 minutes and his VOD has 75k views and Sasaki streams for 2 hours 50 minutes and has 87k views on her VOD, does that neccessarily mean that she had more viewers or are there other things at play?
Sorry if this is kinda asking to be spoonfed

They didn’t fix it after 2020, why would they change it now. It’s not like Google gives a shit about YouTube other than data gathering. This is the new normal. Next year at this time golds will be going to 6k streams

>>15889778
The Mixer fiasco revealed that Ninja got a $30M+ contract while Shroud got a $10M+ contract since they were the buyout values from Microsoft when Mixer shutdown.

>>15889356
>>15889280
It also took like ~12 days to get her entire channel unshadowbanned last february/march

>>15886939
Remember back in the day, I think it was over 10 years ago at this point, that NND tried to create NND English? It never really gained any traction and was shut down like 2 years after it launched if my memory is correct.

Chuubas moving back to NND might be a good time to try that out again, lol.

>>15889806
Cover has kind of hit the absolute jackpot of low running costs for talents on top of immense brand pressure. The number of collaborations and advertisements that hololive has been part of has exploded recently.

>>15889143
Clip
https://files.catbox.moe/gvxy5f.webm

>>15889806
I'm going to buy up Cover stock when they go public, put myself on the board of directors and fuck my oshi

>>15889865
>Chuubas moving back to NND

>>15889833
>why would they change it now
It's way worse.
>Next year
Next week.

>>15889865
NND is an absolutely dogshit platform. To this day I have no idea why asians love the comments running across the actual video

>>15887516
Fat ass...

>>15889822
Depends on how many people go in and out of the stream, if 20k people watch the first half of a stream then leave as another 20k people come in, that's 20k CCV but 40k views, while if the same 20k people watch start to finish that's 20k CCV with 20k views

>>15889945
because on NND you’d be lucky to see it in 360p so they needed something to block out the terrible quality

>>15889822
What were the live viewer numbers?
Not like they're accurate, butt still.

It might mean that she just had a higher churn, people coming in and out of the stream for eventful moments, like how people tune in during Apex streams when the round is almost over, then leave for a few minutes before coming back to the end of the next round.

Depends on what they were doing too.

>>15889822
Generally, yes, it does mean that she has more viewers. Typically the longer a stream goes on for the more views it gets, so if a shorter stream gets more vods it usually means more unique viewers

>>15889891
"I don't think it's gonna be fixed any time soon "defeated chuckle"
So just get used to it."

Kiara's been through so much...

>>15889822
Highest concurrent viewership at one time could go to either, for example have a large peak and then small viewership for the rest of it. However in terms of how many people clicked and viewed in total, those views are the ones measured by the VOD.

>>15889711
They only care about the streamers they watch.
The nijifags on this board are mostly NijiEN fags. There's also those who pretend like they're big Mito or Touya fans because they saw some clips.

>>15890144
Kiara's already been through the fires of numberfaggotry. It'll probably hit some of the other girls far harder

>>15889905
>streaming in 360p

>>15889974
>>15890026
Oh that's interesting, I didn't know it could work like that.
>What were the live viewer numbers?
I don't recall perfectly but I think Yashiro had like 6k and Sasaki 3k. He was playing Zelda OoT and she was doing one of those coin machines

>>15890164
It's more about Nijifags are less caring about numberfagging. Cull or not they're beat by Holo anyway so what's the point?

>>15887934
>that guy who is still comissioning rape porn of you even to this very day
https://www.pixiv.net/artworks/95303332
>2022年1月4日
s-sugoi, that's some real dedication

>>15889945
Sentences are more compact in terms of # of characters in Japanese so reading them across the screen isn't as annoying.

>>15889974
With 5-minute average view times, I have to believe it's also counting focus/blur events to some extent.

>>15890144
She's stupid. There's no way Youtube can leave things the way they are. This isn't like the 2020 cull where CCVs just got slashed by 30% across the board. This is progressively turning popular streamers with thousands of viewers into literal 2 views. Unless Youtube want to kill off their streaming section then they need to change things back so switching over from Twitch isn't an automatic 50% decrease in viewers.

>>15890314
It would also explain why Apex streams have such high view/ccv ratio relative to other content. Everyone tabs out between matches.

>>15889811
Youtube has an advantage that Mixer didn't have. An already established community, not the best and mostly isolated around the creators but there is something to grow from there.
Mixer had nothing like that so they did what they had to do..

>>15890346
Yeah firstly this time is way worse. Secondly what happened in 2020 was intentional. There's no way youtube intended what's going on right now to happen, it will lose them money and wont provide any benefit.

>>15888021
with the information we have now, this was already slightly culled.

>>15889711
they're busy making bait threads from the cull differential >>15884337

>>15890346
>There's no way Youtube can leave things the way they are
Hahahaha, how I wish I was 20 and naive again

>>15887442
oh my, did they catch the CCVid?

>>15890346
And what, literally admit that their numbers aren't to be trusted to billions of users? Because that's what it announces to the world if they revert the decision and numbers suddenly skyrocket. As of now even streamers like Ludwig are skeptical at best of this phenomenon, aside from the vtubing fanbase it's a tinfoil theory. They'd rather double down on the culling more than anything and keep it that way.

Good job getting rid of the spambots YT

>>15889031
we need a vid like the holocaust vid...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IVCwr6Q99I

CCVid Arc

>>15890659
So either their stream platform dies because non-contract streamers flee to Twitch which isn't losing watch hours at -20%/quarter or they apologize for a bug. Hmmm.

>>15890626
>There's no way Youtube can leave things the way they are
not only are they gonna leave the way it is right now it's probably gonna get worse

>>15890520
Youtube as a whole very obviously doesn't give a shit about their streaming division, and the guy leading said division is shilling NFTs and crypto on his Twitter account. Think about all the Google projects that just died unceremonious deaths. Youtube streaming is this years Google Hangouts

>>15890715
anon they couldn't care less about the niche live gaming section of their website, most people at the top probably don't even know you can livestream on youtube

>>15890796
Yes, that's why they're spending a hundred million dollars in 2021/2022 to recruit top streamers from Twitch. Because they don't give a fuck about it.

>>15890664
kek, that just rubs salt in the wound

>>15890742
The division head being a cryptofag explains a lot

>>15890715
Apparently this isn't affecting their non-vtubing normie streamers, which is what 99% of their streams consist of. Corpo vtubers don't have the flexibility to flee, and non-corpo vtubers that could make the move are hardly a drop in the bucket for them. So unless this hits Ludwig and he makes a gigantic fuss about it, I don't expect the to give a flying fart about it.

>>15890826
Their revenue in q3 alone was 7 billion dollars. For someone making 50K a year it would be the equivalent of spending around $150 bucks. It's a rounding error for their accounting department

>>15887299
You're probably not far off.

Do we have a gold with 20k+ ccv since new year?

>>15890970
Winners of the day
#01 Chloe 39.2k
#02 Korone 48.1k
#03 Pekora 59.7k
#04 Nijisanji 14k
#05 Toya 19.7k

>>15890970
mikkorone

>>15891005
>#03 Pekora 59.7k
That may have been an actual massive stream. Like a 100ker.

The other day an anon posted an image of FBK archive views where one stream had half the live viewed but same total views shortly after it ended(~740k) well since then it lost about 10k views and still hasn’t gotten back to 740k.

>>15890659
Yes? It's better to say "Whoops there was a glitch in the system! We fixed it" than killing off your entire streaming business by permanently fucking up the numbers in a way that means you'll never be able to compete with Twitch.

More and more ENs are confirming they're not streaming the Mario Kart tournament (Kiara just did). Maybe they believe the contagion rrat?

>>15891123
The VOD views are roughly inline with the first PekoMari 1-block stream which got 81k CCV and was 45 min longer. Might have been close to 100k for sure, and that was with split pov as well.

>>15891248
Forget about Twitch, they're losing to Facebook Gaming now before this second cull.

>>15891005
Now I understand what madness looks like.

>>15890346
lol
That's what they said the last time this happened.

>>15891211
...how do we know that video view numbers are accurate?

>>15891278
They're trying not to split the remaining viewers up too much so the event doesn't max out at 5k CCV

>>15891301
Google would rather burn YT gaming then eat the humiliation of admitting such as massive fuck up.

>>15891301
Nobody said that last time it happened and the 2020 cull was a simple 30% cut across the board. A complete nothingburger compared to this. If this cull was like 2020 nobody would expect it to be fixed.

>>15891311
YouTube removes views when it thinks they're too "low quality" like someone tabbing or refreshing too much.

>>15891278
Either that or they know they'll get an embarrassingly small number with all the split POVs and the cull. We'll be left with people like Gura and people that don't care about numbers like Ina and Sana.

With this stream having likely peaked, this 8th lowest stream by Enna, with the only ones lower than that being

>2 "Cat Lady" gaming streams
>2 Superchat reading
>1 Watchalong
>1 game collab with Petra
>1 game collab with all of Ethyria

Her last 8 streams CCV were

>2302
>1257
>1710
>1340
>1763
>1999
>1372
>2130

>>15891248
>killing off your entire streaming business
Yeah, streamers totally make their money off of their CCV.

>>15891358
Whatever gives you hope. This is not a mistake, it was done intentionally.

>>15890346
The ultimate issue is that youtube doesn't care about ccv and does not place much importance on that. Consider this, despite them messing with ccv all over 2020 and 2021, none of their changes have affected vod counts and watch time. Why? Because youtube doesn't pay based on ccv but they do pay based off watch time and vods. Hence, they allow their engineers to mess around with ccv because in their mind, ccv is a meaningless metric that can be freely messed around with without impacting payout or anything important.

What they fail to realize is that while ccv does not have any hard effects, as in ccv cannot be directly converted into money it has an immense psychological impact both on the people who stream on youtube, and the people who watch streams on youtube. If the guy who runs youtube gaming has any sense, he'd be on the horn yelling to the backend team about fucking over his marketing strategy, but I'd half the stuff I heard about him is true I doubt that very much

>>15891301
The two culls are completely different situations. The first one seems like it was to give advertises a more accurate idea of how many people actually see the ads (could've done this back end but whatever). This cull I fail to understand how it would benefit them at all, besides maybe the rrat of them hating vtubers.

>>15891278
Kiara announced that before the cull came out in force, mostly because it starts at 5am for her

>>15891381
The sky is falling, nobody gives a shit

>>15891395
>Come to Youtube! You'll get a quarter of the audience as you do on Twitch!
Not a very appealing pitch. They're paying streamers to move over, they want people using their platform. Deliberately not fixing a bug that is directly undermining their attempts to compete with Twitch is outright stupidity.

>>15891381
Here is her prev Hitman, on last 30th. Missed 2k by 4

>>15891278
> Not streaming their POV
Then how does anyone know how well they are doing ? Their reaction to the race ?

>>15891527
>that cliff

>>15891448
YT might not pay attention to CCV but advertisers sure as fuck do. If you're getting paid to do a sponsored stream, and you don't hit the numbers they are expecting, you're less likely to get repeat business, or may even be paid less depending on the contract

>>15891558
That was her fucking up her OBS settings, I think.

>>15891378
>people like Gura
I hope. It's on her schedule, but she has a habit of not putting up her POV for big collabs lately.

>>15891358
>a simple 30% cut across the board
haha…

>>15891508
Yeah, go to Twitch, have 1k viewbots I mean viewers and wonder why you're still struggling to pay rent.

If anything, this filters out all the idiots. The smart streamers will stay with YouTube and make their big bucks.

>>15891381
its over...

>>15891248
>killing off your entire streaming business by permanently fucking up the numbers
You see this is where you're caught in the echo chamber of vtubing. Although vtubers put up respectable numbers, they're hardly the brunt of what Youtube live streaming has to offer as a whole. The culling isn't effecting normie streamers, apparently. Admitting their fuckery just to cater to the niche of vtubing might be even more of a detriment to their bottom line, not to mention to their pride.

Laplus' most recent karaoke got only got a 7k average CCV for 100 minutes. She ended up with 250k VOD views. That means people only watched 3 minutes of her karaoke, which is terrible retention. Think she'd keep them better on twitch?

>>15891618
A 1k streamer on Twitch makes more money than a 1k streamer on youtube.

https://youtu.be/sj1BKqvQJb8?t=177

>>15891603
Gura said if she lose the race, she will pretend she wins and keep streaming, but as a fan I'm used to not buying into her words and just wait to see things play out lol.

>>15891360
Yeah and because of shit like that I'm now wondering if views were ever an accurate metric

>>15891618
>Youtube streamers make more money than Twitch streamers
Whoa did you come from bizarro world?

>>15891700
>A 1k streamer on Twitch makes more money than a 1k streamer on youtube

>>15891771
>>15891768
so which is it lul

>>15891700
>Nigga doesn't know the elite 2views
Heh

Seeing all these normalfag streamers put the red dot with LIVE at the start of their stream name, I wonder if holos would benefit from doing that.

>>15891797
Twitch pays more by a large margin. Dunno what the other guy is smoking but Twitch culture is much more focused on donations, and bigger amounts AND Twitch can be negotiated with to get a bigger cut while Youtube takes 30% non-negotiable.

If Ludwig didn't get his $30 million transfer bonus from Youtube he'd be making less than half of what he did before.

kek, Mysta force reclined all the way down to 2k (then allowed to grow again, but not above 2k).

I'm curious to see his next stream

>>15891920
I guess it finally reach them then.

>>15891920
Pajeet bot must think that it should predict a limit to what a stream should peak at and cull it if it gets to close.

>>15891797
Twitch streamers should generally make more. Better ad revenue and if you have some whales they can gift you subs. Easier to get "sponsorships" as well since Twitch has their "bounty" system which most streamers can use.

>>15891895
nice numbers you got there twitchnigger

>>15891987
Probably just natural decline

>>15891634
YouTube didn't lose 30% watch time and 20% average CCV in Q1 2021 with a cull only applying to vtubers. We're only posting vtubers getting hit because our capability to observe outside of the vtuber bubble is limited by the lack of good metric tracking for anyone except the biggest normie streamers.

>>15892001
>better ad revenue
>twitch
youre just fishing for yous

>>15891920
Have you been watching streams lately? Susan eats more than half the viewers sometimes. There were 9k people in the Haachamatsuri collab waiting room earlier, and it dropped to like 3.2k when stream started

>>15892104
Anon, plz. If you just parachuted in this thread at least lay low and lurk moar

>>15892085
For live streaming? Twitch ad revenue is far better, it's not even close.

>>15892104
theres a schizo spamming this thread with retarded bait, dont engage

>>15892085
Twitch runs a lot of fucking ads and have intermission ads. YouTube streams barely run any. For Twitch streamers that do 6-day 8-hr weeks like the hardcore grinders, they get a lot of impressions since they run an ad-break every few hours.

>>15892002
If you're top 50 on Twitch you're earning more than Rushia who is the most superchatted person on Youtube.

>>15891920
>The flip british homo is surviving?
>DUMPHEET!

>>15891920
Finana passed the AIDS to him. It's over Luxiem bros.

>>15892085
Twitch plays a fuckton more ads and pays more for each play than Youtube does. All Twitch streamers periodically play ads during the stream, when is the last time you got an ad in the middle of a Hololive stream

>>15892150
Doesn't matter how many ads are run. What's Twitch's CPM? What's YouTube's?

>>15892159
Twitch had their entire payouts database dumped a few months ago and these retards are still arguing whether Twitch streamers make any money.
12K average MOONMOON between 8/2019 and 10/2021 made $2.25M with average $50K/mo in subs. That's almost $1M in ads over 24 months.

>>15886848
here it is what is going to happen
>Q4 was a FUCKING STRONG month for everyone, see FBK as or best example
>it's the same quarter their ecelebs started streaming consistently
>"Q4 saw an increment of [x]% in YT gaming thanks to acquisitions like Ludwig and the <<content creator of the year>>, Valkyrae leading the charts for female streamers"
>they will omit every single mention of vtubers, Kuzuha and Pekora MOG the shit of the poached celebs in total views
>no one will complain for the monthly numbers, so the drop of approximately 70% will not make the news
>they "expect" people to jump ships and "fix" the numbers just in time for Q1 2022
they are just retarded, pretty sure more than 50% of their gaming live numbers come from japan, everyone else in the world is watching twitch

>>15892159
lol twitch's #50 got a total of 1.3M total payout for 2 years, from the leaks, which includes donos, subs, prime, etc. Rushia made 1.6M in scs alone, without counting premium, ads, memberships etc

>>15892465
rushia's 1.6million is just 1 year anon

>>15892465
You'd have to remove Youtube's cut from that 1.6M but the point still stands.

>>15892528
That's the point, she did it with SC alone in 1 year.

>>15892465
Donos don't go through Twitch so they don't have the data on those. They're handled by a third party. Payouts from Twitch are for subs and ads.

>>15892465
The payout leak is bits, ads, and subs.

>>15892465
and now we have Chloe too, I really want to see how much she gets this whole year

I thought the argument was about either mid-tier streamers made more on twitch or youtube, assuming similar ccv. Rushia's literally the #1 in yt in terms of sc and obviously an anomaly.

>>15891448
Watch time cratered by 29% last time they touched CCV, because watch time calculation is tied to CCV.

>>15892425
Yeah, you would think that youtube would be celebrating Hololive. An organization that grew organically on their platform. Instead you never see them promoted and, in fact, they get kneecapped at every single oppurtunity just because they don't fit into some nicely organized "target demographic"

Instead of fostering what they already have, they just keep trying to copy and poach what Twitch does. Its maddening.

>>15892646
The point is that Twitch pays a lot more than Youtube for streamers to the point where a top 50 Twitch streamer mogs Rushia, the #1 superchatted Youtuber in the world, in yearly income

>>15892646
Yep... could see the discussion quickly turning to shit so I stepped out of it lmao. It was specifically about 1k streamers.

>>15892425
>they will omit every single mention of vtubers, Kuzuha and Pekora MOG the shit of the poached celebs in total views
Kuzushit doesn't "MOG" anything you stupid Nijinigger.

>>15892696
If it's about 1k streamers the point has already been proven in this video >>15891700

>>15892678
they're fucked lol, they should never have let stream hatchet calculate it as ccv*time, should have been one straight sue, but now people actually believe it

>>15892722
here's your (you) for the bait, shitposter-kun

>>15892689
You don't know how much Rushia earned in memberships and ads, how can you say he mogs her?

>>15892722
I would like to refute you but you are right

>>15892809
twitch top is made up of men, who naturally mog women in every relevant way and metric

>>15892769
Sue for what lol? StreamHatchet is just using publicly available numbers from each platform so if YouTube decides to chop itself at the knees, that's their own problem.

>>15892769
its gonna be hilarious when their Q1 2022 comes out and its another -30% cliff.

>>15892760
This doesn't carry the context of a vtuber though, who have abnormally high engagement rates and donation culture.

Is Miko patient zero and was the 24hr stream a superspreader event? It seems to have started on the 28th and I cannot find anyone with a more fucked waiting room than her during that day. It took her 13 mins to recover.

Oh right, that's another thing, they need to have DVR off for polls or leave them at least 3 minutes, chat and video de-sync A FUCK TON if they have it enabled, you see them talking about something and chat reacting either immediately or 2 minutes late

>>15892809
Because we know Rushia doesn't have 10k members, and she'd need at least 20k to compete. And 90% of her views come from her actual streams so her ad revenue is minimal at best because Youtube doesn't play ads during streams. This is in addition to Rushia herself saying she earns a lot less than a million dollars a year

https://youtu.be/595tDaCuuac

>>15892865
Twitch vtubers are on the donation leak. They make plenty from ads and subs alone.

>>15892844
>Hi im Stream Hatchet, today we will be calculating ads revenue by only 10% of vod views times the avg CPM
you can a. let them do it or b. sue the shit out of them for being such retarded monkeys releasing wrong information about your platform

>>15892886
Literally spamming the same channel emotes over and over gets you flagged. Any karaoke stream is a "spreader"

>>15892416
That's after or before twitch's cut?

>>15892921
>Because we know
>we

>>15892926
Subs, yes. Ads? lmao no

>>15892921
>Iroha
next time at least link a clipper that knows acutal english pls

>>15892974
After the cut

>>15892959
Good thing Nijisanji JP, HoloJP, and HoloEN haven't had massive singing events in the past 2 weeks.

>>15892416
And that's only money from directly Twitch stuff like ads and bits. They all likely make even due to 3rd party donations, patreons, sponsorships, merch, etc

>>15892990
Ok I know. You know jack shit so I have to spoonfeed you basic numberfag knowledge.

>>15892993
You can add the subs up over the time period and see that it comes to half of their payout.

I wonder when will you retards stop giving free replies to that needy twitchschizo

>>15892959
The people who singed in the relay didn't get immediately affected by it and holoX got some of the hardest hits despite not partaking in it.

>>15892959
Bro, I never chat, subscribe, like, follow or whatever and my account still got flagged.

>>15893035
Ads give pennies, to the point that many streamers decided to never put them out. And Twitch just forced them to automatically do it instead. The other half comes from bits.

>>15892993

>>15892993
Top streamers have said before that ad revenue dwarfs sub revenue when you get large enough. XQC's revenue from subs/bits are paltry in comparison to his ad revenue.

>>15893073
>holoX got some of the hardest hits despite not partaking in it.
Sakamata, the bird hag, and the coyote hag did.

>>15892886
Miko went last in the Christmas relay and got massive viewership so possibly. She has been one of the members affected most by this cull. Her Minecraft stream the other day went from a waiting room of 11.2k all the way down to 1k and it only ever recovered to about 7.8k throughout the stream. The MiKorone 24 hour stream was massively culled as well. Freezing for hours on 25k, only hitting a peak of 28k, yet ending with a big fat 2.2M VOD.

Miko put in a ton of work for that 24 hour stream and it really makes me sad that she was kneecapped by youtube so hard. Oh well, at least she now has a fat 2.2M view VOD on her channel now.

>>15892921
She doesn't own the channel, she is just a employee getting a fraction of the revenue

>>15893110
>>15893096
This doesn't seem to suggest that though? I'd imagine xqc easily makes multiple amounts more than 300k/yr from subs alone

>>15893117
Technically Holos are contractors, not employees.

>>15892959
>Literally spamming the same channel emotes over and over gets you flagged.
Yeah, that's why Shibuya Hal audience got flagged, his Karaoke streams are a banger!

Fucking retards

>>15893079
You all really have no idea where Twitch streamers make their revenue don't you? Ads make a whole lot more when you get large enough

>>15893111
Iroha and Laplus are the most fucked ones by it and they didn't.

>>15893096
>>15893110
That is the top maybe 30 streamers. After you get past that ads are shit. Even the top 100-200 it does not earn nearly as much.

>>15893096
They pulled these numbers directly from their ass. At least social blade puts a huge confidence interval to make it clear, they have no fucking idea

I wonder how much of Kiara's relative stability is just because of a massive incline from all these new Korean viewers, jesus there's so many of them. We will never know how much of an effect they had because of CCVID at the same time.

>>15893096
YEARLY???
lmao I thought that was monthly

>>15892948
Are you retarded?

>>15892948
Despite what you read about the US courts on the internet memes, the result of that is the judge throwing such a lawsuit out at the start. It's extremely difficult for a company to sue a publication in the US and prevail. Logitech has lawyers of their own and Alphabet lawyers would be fighting a vertical cliff of precedents.

>>15892689
I've heard a few Twitch streamers claim that their Youtube channels make more money than Twitch.
Also, this video says that VODs make a crazy amount on Youtube due to Youtube Premium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLO5-IyS5pE

>>15893153
Your argument would only work if you think a significant number of Hals viewers watch him and him alone. His usual audience watching NJU and spamming would flag them.

>>15893157
That isn't accurate. XQC has said himself before how subs/bits are basically worthless comparison.
The only actual info we have on Twitch revenue is the Twitch leaks.

>>15893153
Spamming ANYTHING gets you flagged. 草 included.

>>15891448
Well, you will NEVER convince a Twitch streamer to naturally leave just with VOD views because THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT VOD VIEWS, in fact, twitch deletes them after some time
Their success is measured merely by the CCV and they interpolate time streamed too.

>>15893096
>Using this we calculated revenue for each Twitch streamer based on average concurrent viewership over the last seven days
In other words they made it all up.

>>15893201
Do you retards actually think this is true?
All you need to do is look at the numbers from the twitch leaks and it shows that its literally impossible for those ad numbers to be correct. Subs/bits can't make up that much of a difference.

>>15893247
Streamers are about as reliable as strippers when it comes to disclosing their income.

>>15892886
Also, Korone was affected very hard after the 24 hr hour stream, but not immediately unlike Miko. She's a terminal case along with Iroha, Laplus, etc.

>>15893152
Yeah but most anons here believe that they are employees. I'm just trying to avoid a timeloop.

>>15893223
Yeah Youtube premium is great. Too bad they marked my account which has it as a fucking bot.

>>15893247
Every other streamer I've heard from says ads are shit. QXC is TOP 2. Of course spamming ads to that kind of audience earns the most.

>>15893303
Still more reliable than people making numbers out of their ass. And there isn't any reason for xqc to lie.

>>15893298
>trusting this anon instead of an actual source

>>15893223
>Livestream VODs are 2-3 times more profitable than normal videos
>Why aren't more people talking about this?
>Nobody streams on Youtube so long stream VODs don't exist!
>...Except for Vtubers
So how much money are Cover actually making if this limey made a bundle off a 1.6 million view stream VOD?

If someone does move to Twitch from Youtube they should definitely emphasize donations via streamlabs rather than bits.

>>15893223
That isn't true for the vast majority of Twitch streamers. Most Twitch streamers make way more money off Twitch than YouTube. A bunch straight up neglect their YouTube channels

>mfw Youtube are trying to hobble vtubers because they're soaking up tens of millions of dollars in Premium payouts due to stream VODs

>>15893255
No, it doesn't
If your account gets flagged as a spammer your comments will not appear in the stream when there's a chat replay and the viewers would easily notice it happening with them.

>>15892722
welcome to the numbers thread tourists kun

>>15892921
>Rushia herself saying she earns a lot less than a million dollars a year
DYRBI? How many people would still be paypigs for a millionaire? I don't want to be cynical but it's literally impossible for her not to be

>>15893431
Gifting subs is even worst than sending bits.

>>15893546
She's talking about her income after taxes so it's possible. Top marginal tax rate in Japan is something like 50% so she'd be paying almost half a million a year in tax.

>>15893153
he has done multiple karaoke streams in the past time, they are SOVL and pretty funny
nowhere near to date of the cull though

>>15893542
>supposedly higher viewership
>much less actual engagement (Likes, comments, superchats, etc.)
Seems to me some pretty blatant evidence that Kuzushit is botting.

>>15893560
Nah, I don't agree with that. Gifting subs can make someone feel involved in the community and helps grow the community. Bits are just fucking worthless other than feeding Twitch.

Looking at this site https://twitchpayouts.com/
XQC made about $8.5 million in that two year span in the Twitch leaks (based on just Twitch earnings).
>>15893096
Suggests that XQC has something like only $300,000 yearly from ads. That would suggest something like $600,000-$800,000 assuming any changes from growth.
That would mean XQC would somehow have to be making like $7-8 million from subs/bits to make up that difference. Which would be absurd to believe even considering the amount of people stupid enough to donate to him
In other words, this source is complete dogshit and you have to be a dumbass to believe their made up numbers.

>>15893659
What if I told you I swapped their names and faces :)

>>15893240
>His usual audience watching NJU and spamming would flag them.
That would imply half his audience not only is shared with NJU watchers but with NJU watchers, commenters and "spammers or emojis".
APEX audience is very insular, I would say there is very little overlap between people that sit tight and watch APEX matches over and over and people that go ballistic with emojis on lives

>>15893659
LOL, what makes this funny is that Kuzuha's rabid Fujo fanbase are exactly the kind of people who would set up view farms and view bots much like the Kpop losers.

>>15893697
Bro just look at the explanation of how they got those numbers for ad revenue. It's complete bullshit. They don't even appear to be taking into account how many ads are run by the streamer.

>>15893659
Trying too hard. There's negligible difference between their likes and comments.

>>15893346
For one you need to understand that the new Twitch ads piss viewers off so streamers like to blame Twitch and pretend they don't make shit from it.
The CPM for affiliates is $3.5 which is a decent amount of money given how many ads can be run. Twitch partners can make even more.

>>15893771
replying to yourself already?

>>15893096
asmongold said people who uploaded clips of him on youtube made $50k/month on ads like 3 years ago

This is really arbitary and full of copium but for the giga-niked streams that strugglel to top waiting room numbers, the size of their dip + in-stream peak seems like a truer representation of their audience.
>>15893310
5000 dip + 5000 in stream peak = 10k seems reasonable.
>>15892886
7500 dip + 13800 in stream peak = 21.3k again seems reasonable.
>>15891381
Adding the dip would put her over 1k, which is on the lower side but not unthinkable.

>>15893484
Then why do people's comments show up in the chat on screen but not get counted as viewers?

>>15893201
>>15893157
>>15893141

>>15893697

>>15893955
It's a shadowban. Allowing the bots to verify their status by checking the chat output from a 3rd party would make the shadowban not stealthy enough.