/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>15802596
>algorithm

>>15802596
My numbers...

>>15802596
Bots confirmed?

>EOPs don't want to shit up chat so stick to stock phrases like "cute" "lol" :clap: etc...
>get labelled bots and unpersoned

guess it would explain why nijiJP (limited EOP audience) NijiEN and holoEN (eop audience can chat normally) are less affected.

>>15802596
will youtube do something if holo and niji threaten to change platform

>>15802902
Bots don't vote in polls

>>15803046
There obviously is, when stuff like minecraft gets voted in over something cool

>>15803159
Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but actually a lot of people like Minecraft

>>15802596
So Hololive has been using bot accounts to boost up their viewercount?
What a shock.

>>15803387
Yeah, children

>>15803035
If I remember correctly few months ago , reine got ban/demonetized by yt .
But in few hours less than 10 hours , yt fixed that and apologizing to reine via Twitter

If forgotten branch like Holo id can make yt feel terrifying.
Imagine what the other branch can do to yt

>>15803487
Sorry to be the one to tell you this, but children are actually young humans, not robots.

Yet, Gura already has 200k views on her video tracked by the twitter bot.

easy way to prove/disprove the claim is to send Fubuki into some random holo streams and see if the chink spam starts and if the numbers change

>>15802596
And? No seriously, and? What exactly is your argument here

>>15802596
I'd take it with a huge grain of salt... YT staff is full of shit

>>15803992
Are you seething that you won't be able to use your shitty to defend your oshi or are you that new? People have been spamming this board for months about this "bug" that removes views from streamers (mysteriously always Hololive streamers) and this thread proves it's not the case.

>>15803918
There's only ever a couple of spambots logged in at a time, you won't be able to tell compared to regular viewers coming and going. Also spambots existing in itself is proof that Youtube definitely can't detect them. They literally all mass subscribe to the same channels from the exact same Youtube channel and the same IP address with a basic script, then never get used until they log in for 5 seconds to send a wall of text then log out. If Youtube can't detect those then there is no chance that their shitty viewer algorithm works correctly.

>>15804170
>youtube calls viewers with browsers, add-ons or behaviors they don't like bots using pajeet coded garbage
>UHHH COPE VTUBERS ARE DEAD THEY HAVE NO VIEWERS

begone zhang

>>15803543
Children can't have google accounts, so they can't vote

>>15803918
Hilariously the actual spambots are counted as viewers, we've seen the views spike whenever they start up their wheelbarrows. But not real accounts who have given money to Youtube, those are spambots.

>>15803514
Reine is the daughter of an Indo warlord or something, they probably threatened to ban youtube in the entire country or something lol

>>15804350
anon...

Isn't it weird how this 'bug' only affect Hololive but not Niji?

>>15804350
True, which is why I'm actually 33 years old and not 23

>>15804170
Why does gura suddenly get 200k views on her stream once the stream ends if she only had 20k live viewers shown

>>15804339
Cope, pure and unfiltered cope.

>>15802596
>in recent year
Youtube did not know the ccv cull occurred suddenly on christmas eve, someone please inform them clearer, they must have absolutely no idea what's going on

>>15802596
Lmaooooo stop posting you own chinky delusional Twatter garbage, Chink Bugyoutube lmaooooo

>>15804593
>not Niji

>>15804642
Anon, either bug of a cummulative of everyone who's showed up to the stream and left. She gets that amount of views on every stream as soon as it ends, if it truly were real viewers she'd be the biggest streamer in the world, and well, she ain't.

>>15802596
How can every streamer on Youtube have spam accounts watching them? It must be something else.

>>15804824
namefag, I...

>>15804883
spam accounts will be what youtube wants them to be

Don't post your shitty diary here, Bugyoutube nigger

>>15804805
Their shitty ass concert got like 180k CCVs, is that not enough proof for you?

>>15804170
>and this thread proves it's not the case.
some YouTube pajeet or chatbot is doing the corporate reply bit, it's proof of nothing

Chinks and Amerimutt woke niggers are trying so fucking hard

I getting the impression that youtube doesn't really know what they're doing.

>>15804883
I don't get how Youtube works now. I don't doubt Vtubers now face steep competition or lost the attention of normalfags, but it still don't make sense that every Hololive account declined in terms of views THIS hard. It doesn't make sense either for Nijisanji how there could be tons of people waiting and then when the stream starts, its like an automatic cut in viewership.

>>15804883
Is that her typical numbers? Wow, amazing that there are now Nijisanji EN who are passing up Hololive EN. That's incredible

>>15802596
I don't think Youtube is telling the truth as usual
This seems like a malicious lie in order to downtrend streamer's numbers as to defer the streamer from obtaining exposure or revenue or advertisement deals
Lest we forget the almighty "we killed the dislike button to protect YOU!" bullshit

numberfags in shambles. Fuck off back to BD sales or game units sold you mentally ill fucks

>>15805483
>it still don't make sense that every Hololive account declined in terms of views THIS hard
it makes perfect sense
Youtube doesnt know what the fuck they're doing and decides to flag everyone as "spam viewers" based on some arbitrary criteria

>>15803035
they cant threaten anyone, changing platform is not an option for them lmao.

It seems like nijisanji wasn't affected by this at all. It's literally only hololive.
I guess the viewbotting meme was real. I mean, it never made sense how they got equal donations, but hololive got 5x the views

>>15804474
Nah her parents just work on entertainment industry
There's to much rrat that you bite anon

>>15805723
they were though

>>15802596
Why can't you keep you number shit to one shitty thread

>>15805723
>how they got equal donations
they dont

>>15805723
That would be true if Nijisanji also didnt have their subs cut like it happened with hololive
You are literally admitting that nijisanji also bots their subs with that statement

>>15805723
>I mean, it never made sense how they got equal donations

Pomu being the biggest revenue gainer sans taxes and fees ~$170,000 is "equal" to hololive to you?

>>15805797
yeah for EN at least, the nijisanji get about equal donations to hololive

>>15802596
>this change does not affect the number of views or viewing time
all that matter is this. streaming on youtube is all about how good you are at pumping up vodviews and not CCVs since livestreams can only have one preroll-ad

Youtube has no idea how their own site works, let alone some social media intern.

>>15805828
That happens when people mass sub though, people get flagged as bots and the announcement was very last minute. I had to sub to Ike's channel twice because Susan told I couldn't stay subbed the first time.

>>15805841
You cant even scroll down far enough to find the first nijisanji member

>>15805828
This, it even happened in real time with Vox's road to 100k Smash stream. Youtube is just fucked.

>>15805723
Seaniggerchama many of their livers have/are having their lowest recorded viewership of all time just in this past week.

>>15802596
Why is this numbers bullshit all over the catalog? Who cares about this except the number autists which already have their own thread?

>>15805841
<about equal
Stupid monkey

Youtube is becoming a cable TV channel
Google doesn't care, google has never had the interest of its users in several years with demonetization being "AI determined", now your account is literally labeled spam or a false legitimacy despite being years old because it's Indian programmed "AI determination"
There has never been a more ripe opportunity to create a competitor however corporate greed and lack of regulation lets big tech just kill any competition to create actual monopolies

>>15805735
said entertainment industry influences a big chunk of indonesia's media market, so it's kinda possible but definitely not because of small shit like one demonitized vid

>>15806082
Because they aren't watching chuba
They're watching numbers , numbers is their oshi

>>15806082
>Who cares
I hope your oshi enjoys having her views slashed in half overnight.

>20k viewers
>250k views

>>15806147
why the fuck does it matter? It doesn't prevent you from watching vtubers. Also dumb rightwingers have been bitching about creating a youtube alternative since like 2010 and it's still missing

>250k views when the vod is live
>only 10k-20k when live

>>15806395
>>15806416
Nijiniggers btfo by Towas and logic

>>15806406
>It doesn't prevent you from watching vtubers
No but they are hiding information and this too >>15806243

>>15806243
you literally don't give a shit either way

>>15806243
my oshi isn't a numberwhore

>>15806406
>why the fuck does it matter?
because it could demotivate the girls? because it matters to sponsors (and therefore affects how much money the girls make) ?

>>15806754
maybe quit playing armchair marketer and actually watch vtubers?

>>15806728
Why chumpedo like this

>>15806006
If you look at what the branches earn monthly now its getting pretty close. Last month NijiEN as a group made $224,633 while HoloEN made $316,703 and that is without the NijiEN males having superchat for the whole month. So I wouldn't be too surprised if they might end up making about the same.

>>15807077
Gura makes 300k a month off memberships alone, you really do not want to start going over monthly earnings, trust me it will not end well for you

>>15807077
mate, myth girls have thousands upon thousands of members
their entire chats are literally 1 color most of the time

>>15807108
>>15807145
why are you moving goalposts? the discussion was about superchat amounts and it looks like NijiEN is getting close to matching HoloEN there.

>>15807157
You are the one moving goalposts retard

>>15806816
lmao

>>15807201
No I'm not? Follow the conversation back. It started from someone saying NijiEN get about equal donations while HoloEN get 5x the viewers. Then someone posted all time donations in response. So I pointed out that while all time donations might be higher the companies are getting close in donations monthly now. Then out of nowhere you are saying "but hololive gets lots of memberships"?

>>15802596
The fuck is real time spam? Youtube SJW niggers must be bothered by non-SJW contents.

>>15807279
it's standard mentally ill numberfag behavior where they slant the discussion into where hololive is winning

>>15802596
Ah yes, the ever reliable and trustworthy YouTube algorithm. How desperate you must be to clutch at that straw.

>>15806816
>No don't care about your oshi's wellbeing
kys onegai

>>15807438
Replying to yourself wont get you anywhere retard
>>15805723
>>15805841
>they get equal "donations"
>get shit on by 1 single holoen
>u-uh I meant m-monthly!!!!! <not goalpost moving
Fuck off

>>15807077
They have more members now, they should be making more.

>>15806395
>>15806416
Damn bros... looks like nijien won

>>15807516
It kind of seems to me like you have misinterpreted him to be making a claim that was obviously wrong instead of one that is close to the truth? Not sure if you are doing that on purpose or its a genuine mistake but we can both agree that HoloEN have made a lot more donations overall, which anyone would expect having been around longer, while NijiEN is getting close to making the same donations monthly now can't we?

>>15807077
>doesnt know how you make money on youtube
hint: you make more from ads (aka people watching the video) than you do from superchats unless you are a extremely specific case like cocos where you have an endless stream of superchats that offset any kind of views the video might get
Clip channels that get millions of views per video earn more than a standard salary. In case you still dont get it. A fucking clip channel is earning more than NijiEN does from superchats

>>15807890
Nobody is arguing about who makes the most money.

>>15807973
Definitely anon, I'll just ignore the guy I replied to then. Since you still dont get it, Gura is making so much money from her channel views alone that she doesnt even need to bait superchats to stay afloat. But hey if muh superchats get you to sleep tonight go for it.

>>15808062
It seems like you don't get it? Nobody was arguing that Gura or whoever you like is making less money. The whole conversation was about donation amounts.

You think this will kill numberfagging? Now they'll just move the goalposts. "Wow, your oshi only has 500 live viewers? What an irrelevant bitch who should graduate, my oshi gets 700"

>>15802596
>believing what youtube says after they disabled dislike count
"this doesn't change anything and you will like it because i said so!"

>>15808389
Youtube cant hide SC.

>>15808389
Huh?

>>15808389
numberfags (mostly holos), nijiniggers, vshowhorefags just different kinds of cancer

>>15807890
I thought youtube ads gave a notoriously pitiful amount of income? I can't even tell if you're retarded/trolling or I am anymore.

>>15808819
They used to give a decent amount, they give shit all these days though.

>>15802596
Spam accounts not being counted = Jewtube suppressing anyone they don't like. Kiara ran a poll the other day and within 3 minutes it surpassed her ccvs by about 1.5k votes. But you're right about one thing OP. It isn't a bug at all. It's done on purpose for political reasons and spite.

>>15802596
So basically YouTube sees fans spamming emotes as bots and doesn’t count them? The more members the vtuber has the more it will affect them.

>trusting a corpo twitter bot reply

>>15808819
youtube premium expansion of the subscription service is a thing, using it is a no-brainer now
and don't forget that long vods can have an absurd number of ads plus idolfags have tendencies to support their oshis

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6306276?hl=en#zippy=%2Cwill-creators-still-be-paid-with-youtube-premium

>>15802596
>Never watch Hololive
>Never notice any significant drop in numbers
>Actually didn't know this was a thing, only found out when I saw this thread
>The biggest vtubers were boosted by spam accounts
lol

lmao

ok faggots, I have a very simple task for you.

Measure the amount of unique names in the chat of all of these streams. Then take a proportion between the number of unique names in chat, and the number of live viewers on the stream. If the theory that hololive was botting is true, then hololive should have a very low ratio. And I'm not talking about future streams here, get the data from the old streams from 2021. Let's see what the proportions look like.

If it's true that hololive has all this botting going on, their ratio should be no better than nijisanji

>Youtube says

>>15802596
actually if your account got labeled by youtube ai then you are finished, i had a few accounts where i couldnt put any comments at all in any videos as they vanish instantly, they dont go to spam box where the creator could view it but go straight and hidden completely

other accounts have problem with youtube notifications, they actually prohibited me to change to a bell notifications, it shows (this youtube channel is made for kids), it happens in a few hololive members (gura, irys, etc) channels, strange things since other channels like nijisanji is fine nonetheless

>>15808819
>>15808970
they still give roughly $4 per 1k views, and thats after accounting for all adblock viewers. That adds up very quickly if you are getting a couple hundred thousand views per archive, and archives continue to generate some views basically indefinitely.

>>15809342
People are so fucking FUCKING desperate to try to frame this as a Hololive problem to try to score some epic win out of it. It's not. It affects fucking everyone - nijis, indies, 2views, normalfag streams unrelated to vtubers. Literally everyone loses unless youtube realizes "hmm maybe 50% higher viewer responses in polls than live views and 10x higher VOD views than live views immediately on ending, is in fact not reflective of the real amounts." That's the end of the story.

>>15805735
its not just you know, ordinary person wont he able to rule 2 television channel and other big media without the support of politician and others, its not just "working in entertainment industry" as media and information wield a lot of power

>>15809440
I don't think it does though. I mean, I see that hololive's numbers have been cut nearly in half. But for nijisanjji the effect is not very noticable. I did notice the numbers were down a bit today, but nothing really that unusual.

>>15809434
>they still give roughly $4 per 1k views
lol

>>15808819
>>15808970
any youtuber who says ad money is bad is just trying to get you to subscribe to their patreon. These people make a lot of money on ads, esepcially live streamers where you are getting thousands of VOD views which mean a lot more ads.

>>15809440
it's a holo problem because their dumbshit fanbase cares about this shit. These other non-holo vtubers will get watched regardless of numbers

>>15809544
look closer.
Kanae got 2.5k for valorant. his 4 historic lows for the same game where 4.8k or above.
Kuzuha failed to reach 15k on something he regularly gets 25k+
viewership for the mahjong drawing where also way lower than expected.

>>15809789
Pretty sure people just simply get bored of them but whatever.

>>15810057
You would see a gradual decline if it was people getting bored. And the after the stream ended the vod had a similar number of views as the previous 5k+ CCV streams did within a few hours when processing was done.
You wouldnt see a 50% drop in viewership overnight without a major yab, and thats compared to his all-time lows, not his recent streams.

>>15809789
Why are you bringing up Kanae's numbers when you don't follow him at all so you have no idea for the context of what he gets other than the raw numbers you see?
If you're talking about last night's stream, you don't know that he attended a new year party and literally told people he'd come back very late so they can go ahead and sleep instead of waiting for his stream.
https://twitter.com/Kanae_2434/status/1477996564316823554?s=20
The replies are mostly people saying "go ahead and enjoy! I'll just watch the archive" or "don't worry about it"
He was so tired when he finally got home that he only did 1 match of Valorant and went to sleep after. As you can see, the stream was just under 1 hour instead of his usual length.
And you can say that he's streamed before at late hours with better numbers. But those are usually preceded by him announcing on twitter or an earlier stream that he will still stream later at a certain time so people would know to wait for a stream instead of him outright telling people that it's ok to sleep instead because he will be very late.
I just find it ridiculous that you'd rather explain his numbers on some convoluted reasoning rather than actually knowing the context and circumstances because you don't watch him at all.

>>15809557
Well Connor makes around that and he does anime content.

>>15809621
>any youtuber who says ad money is bad is just trying to get you to subscribe to their patreon.
And do you know why they're trying to get you to subscribe to their Patreon? Because jewtube's ad revenue is terrible. Go be a shill somewhere else.

>>15802596
Show us the algorithm YouTube you fucking scum bags

Youtube trying to cut loss by decreasing creator income
end of the story

>>15802596
The end of hololive is near