/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

Susan, it's time

Fuck susan and her horde of pajeet minions.

bros what if dynamic IPs boost the numbers and its only one person watching korones 24 hour streams

>>15773092
you know too much

>>15772834
Susan hate vtubers

SUSAN HATE

Again: out of the 116 streams by Honma on Mado record since July 17 2021, this is her fifth lower on record and one of the only six times she failed to break 2k.

Whatever is happening is most definitely not exclusive to Holo girls.

>it's disconcerting seeing indies and nijiJPs/low-corpos get fucked over
>FUCK ENcucks cull cope
don't tell me we're resorting to supachat numbers now..

here's hoping Susan dies a slow, painful, and gruesome death

>>15773329
that or vod views after X hours

>The twins died
>Vtuber numbers suddenly started tanking hard
Coincidence? I think NOT!

>>15772912
Advertisers like numbers, but advertisers also prefer legit / more relevant numbers. I remember that one of my friends working for a relatively major PR-marketing firm once told me that for their customers (ranging from small to medium and even big corps), KPIs like CTR (and a bunch other, but we were just drinking so I didn't pay too much attention to it) tend to be more valuable than, according to him, "more vanity metrics" like subs or views. Going by that line of thought, I guess it's understandable that Youtube want to remove bots CCV / views / subs so that they can brag about the validity of their metrics. However, it's just that their methods, whatever those are, seem pretty dumb at times and when shits happen, numbers are fucked. The idea is fair, but the execution is poor, basically.

>>15773329
>resorting to supachat numbers
just retire /#/ then, superchatniggers know nothing about numbers

>>15773326
Honhima is honorary Holo, though

>>15773147
Im starting to buy this rrats since at the moment, Vtuber literally dominate the streaming side of YT

>>15773326
It's weird as fuck, almost all corpos and 2views have been slashed but .LIVE have inclined and Koinoya Mai's ASMR is doing its normal numbers. Animare seem to be getting what they were before while VSPO and Noripro both got culled.

>>15772461
>Because you assume competence on their part.
Anon, this makes no sense. Incompetence is by definition not deliberate. If a bot is broken, it means that programmer was incompetent, but it doesn't make it deliberate.

"For kids" thing was a bit more complicated, because it involved legal issues, as porn and gore was being served to kids, and kids videos were being watched by pedos. Youtube was running the risk of getting a fat class action lawsuit, which is why they resorted to the scorched earth policy to shut down the whole thing immediately. I'm not saying they were right to do so, but you can see what they were trying to do and why.

>>15773488
Susan probably culled every chuuba that has sizeable amount of viewers outside of the channel's region

>>15773488
Susan is a .LIVE gachikoi confirmed.

>>15773488
>Anon didn't trust Baacharu's plan for vtuber domination
.LIVEchads domination is coming soon anon.

>>15773562
Hiring incompetent people at this scale capable of messing things up this regularly is deliberate when you are a multi-billion dollar company.

>>15773147
>>15773483
It's funny how the JP Twitch twitter jumped at the chance to feature Miko when she streamed on the platform, I think they did it for Pekora too when she played MC. What I really want is for an EN to just do at least one proper stream on Twitch.

>>15773564
>Susan probably culled every chuuba that has sizeable amount of viewers outside of the channel's region
That wouldn't explain Lamy. She used to have and like still has the least non JP chat

>>15773587
>Baacharu
Anon.. he's been rotting in some tree on Aokigahara forest

>>15773564
I know a dataset of one isn't exactly good evidence but Yumesaki Mia's chink learning stream post-cull did better than her pre-cull ones
https://playboard.co/en/video/0UtNjYQywY8
https://playboard.co/en/video/mTXHR8QKlyI

>>15773623
People don't hire incompetent people because they want them to fuck up.

>>15773427
Yeah YT tends to bend the line to corpos and special interests as well, part of why the dislike counter was removed.
>>15773483
Meanwhile Twitch has literal softcore porn, gambling, and people streaming copyrighted shows on their platform and they don't give a fuck because it makes them money. But vtubers apparently scary for YT.

>>15773562
If ANYONE in their leadership was even moderately competent they would have reversed a lot of their bad decisions quickly. Instead they double down and say they are deliberate changes.

Youtube is not a normal business out for money, which is why it has never been profitable. Its the propaganda arm of Google, to push whatever agenda they want via suggested and promoted videos mostly for political/financial purposes on non-youtube matters.

>>15773634
I guess they should considered streaming on twitch TOO from time to time. Twitch will literally suck yagoo's dick if they ever decide so. I mean fucking Miko has her twitch monetized right from her first stream

>>15773564
Nah, that makes no sense, because Luxiem's SEA viewers aren't getting culled at all.

>>15773326
Reminds me of IRyS yesterday. She had her lowest stream EVER and it was only the 3rd time she ever failed to break 4k.

>>15773582
We need Sio back. She would know what to do.

>It's time...
>chuubas.. come home...

>>15773786
There will be lots of "lowest ever". I'm waiting for the week to end to update this chart, it is from yesterday.

I'll also make others with Nijis too, for good measure. One thing is for sure, there will be no doubt there is a
>before
and an
>after
in that chart.

VOD views after 24 hours should be the new metric to go by, and they should be organized according to stream lengths (for example, one hour, 1-2 hours, 2-4 hours, 4-8 hours, 8+ hours)

> This cull continues and gets worse as the month went on
> Some big Holo decides to jump in twitch.
>The early adoption benefit caused a snowball of migration by vtubers who are streamer centric to twitch.
It would be a hilarious scenario especially if this move becomes worth the risk.

>>15773756
>Twitch will literally suck yagoo's dick if they ever decide so.
No they won't, they've let go of many top streamers who jumped to YouTube so easily.
Obviously they'll accept Holos if they every jumped ship, and they probably would be better since they aren't teting to actively fuck over their streamers at the moment. But they aren't gonna try to actively poach them because they don't really need to.

About Youtube hating vtubers in particular, I tried a couple of VPNs. The Youtube Gaming list appears to be the same everywhere, just randomly ordered. I think its purpose is to push random 2views or else just random streamers.

For whatever reason it didn't appear with my Japanese VPN, but on the other hand the usual suspects were available.

>>15773488
Looks like VOMS are mostly unaffected too

>>15773914
You can't compare what's not comparable. You can list it but you can't possibly rank something out of things that are not sortable by any objective criteria.

>>15773938
Nobody said they need them but they are very welcoming to Holo and even give special treatments. It is based on how "hype" TwitchJP when Miko and Pego started stream on Twitch

Now that numberfagging is dead, here's some news.
The choreographer for the highly successful Nijisanji's NJU festival got ghosted for not paying collab fees.

https://twitter.com/chelium/status/1477152392244506628
https://web.archive.org/web/20220101054802/https://twitter.com/chelium/status/1477153310138576896
https://web.archive.org/web/20220102064707/https://twitter.com/chelium/status/1477530583832338432

>>15773975
I think comparing 24 hours of views for 1 Hour 3D anniversary streams is about as sortable as you can get with this metric.

>>15773920
Imagine Vshojo having to face down an unshackled Myth, Council and Irys since any move to twitch would be a big event for them just because no one would expect it.

>>15773958
So Pakora gets shilled by yt AND she's not getting culled? It's a conspiracy.

>>15773967
Doesn't some of VOMS stream on Twitch as well? I think Pikamee has been streaming on Twitch quite a bit now.
That would be an interesting experiment to look into.

>>15773958
kek, Kuzuha streaming LOL? That's bold as fuck

I wonder if Kuzuha failing to hit 10k was one of the first instances of this new cull

2021 lottery
>48k
2022 lottery
>30k only

>>15774023
kek, things are surely convoluted on vtuber landscape

>>15774052
Realistically speaking it would probably be a net benefit for Vshojo and and larger indies because this would cause a sudden influx of more vtuber fans into Twitch.
Still doesn't make it a bad idea for HoloEN though.

>>15773564
It's not origin that classifies a bot but behavior.

>uses adblock = user, but not ad friendly = -1 view
>watches excessively long streams constantly = bot
>watches specific content exclusively = bot
>opens multiple video/stream tabs at the same time = bot
>spams text/emotes in a repeatable pattern = bot
>uses YouTube Premium = bot
Basically, if you're a Hololive gachikoi that engages in "hako-oshi", you're most likely to be flagged as a bot for the purposes of CCV. But susan knows that they can't get rid of everyone's views or it might kill their platform, so they keep the hidden metrics feeding more correct data and tells you to never disclose it publicly or be terminated (unless you're a victim of the YouTube AI, then they're willing to let your public begging slide).

> the possibility of twitch migration is more real now.
I can't wait to watch MasterChef along with my oshi.

>>15774023
Come on Riku, not paying your livers doesnt mean you can do the same to everyone

>>15774023
Probably another case of miscommunication, usual anykara fuckups

>>15773914
There's not enough strong daily streams to break into so many categories. We would just end creating special Olympics. The monthchartanon's only works because it is monthly so he has a lot of streams to work with for each group

I hate Susan.

Alright /#/, you want to call Youtube on its bluff? Put your money where your mouth is with a genuine experiment.

>1. Create a contained, isolated testing environment
None of this "I turned on a 2view's stream and it looks like I wasn't counted" nonsense. That tells you nothing since you can't account for any other users on the site coming or going. Create an unlisted stream that cannot be accessed except with a link.
>2. Use a group of dedicated testers that you can control for all potential variables
You would need a decent amount of users who you can control for and set strict requirements to remove all potential "what about"isms:
-No ad-blocker or script blocker
-Logged into a Google account older than one year
-All using Google Chrome (to appease Google's autism)
-Do not ever tab out to another screen for the entire period of the experiment
-Do not mute the stream
-Actively engage with the chat by sending multiple messages throughout the stream
All things considered, I could imagine that you could recruit anywhere from 10-25 people who would be willing to carve out one hour on one evening to go along with something like this to provide something better than anecdotal evidence.
>3. Set specific milestones for different forms of engagement
Let's say you have 25 users, and you can confirm via recording that all 25 users were viewing and engaging with the stream for the entirety of the one hour experiment. Other metrics to look at are whether all 25 are recorded in the waiting room before the stream starts, see if all 25 liking the stream will result in 25 likes, create a poll at the 30 minute mark and have all 25 vote in it, look at VOD views at the end of the stream, etc.
>4. Record everything to prove authenticity
If you can't prove that all 25 users followed the instructions set and actually were watching and actively engaging with the stream via the chat for the full one hour experiment, it doesn't really matter. Simply being able to show people "here are 25 individuals located in 25 different places in the world actively engaging with a single stream, and only 10 of them were recorded as concurrent live viewers" is a huge fucking step to proving that Youtube CCV is broken outright.

>Numberfagging VODs
It's just not the same

Youtube finally putting the boot down on its virtual cabaret clubs

>>15774023
It was because of the video being copyright striken, resulting in miscommucation. Now fuck off SEAnigger matome faggot.

>>15774144
>feeding more correct data and tells you to never disclose it publicly or be terminated
What does this mean?

>>15774023
sasuga anykara

>>15774222
People have done exactly this and shown it to Youtube, they don't give a fuck

>>15774102
nijisanji is dying...

>>15774222
Here is step 5
>said video will be used against you and your oshi to prove they're filthy cheaters and human bots, just like the videos about the KPop blokes watching in multiple streams was
>then Youtube will release a press release informing their anti cheat and anti bot measurements are exactly to fight "organized groups of watchers" and prevent their manipulation

Here's something straight out of my ass: what if, and this is a huge IF, YT is only counting Premium and/or membered users?

>>15774280
You don't show it to Youtube, you show it to the vtuber audience and vtubers themselves/Cover to get them in enough of an uproar that Youtube eventually has to at least respond.

>>15774102
explain your shit a bit better anon, I assume this is about maimoto's mahjong cup

>>15774102
Not the same one, retard. Mahjong Souls lottery got only 24k before.

>>15774312
I ran the experiment and didn't show up as a view despite having Premium.

>>15774023
what the fuck, anykara is black company after all.

>>15774256
Remember the "dislike counter removal" event? They announced that you're not allowed to release dislike data publicly or you will be terminated. Well, they have the exact same policy for the internal metrics for all accounts. If you start disclosing that stuff, you're basically giving away YouTube's "keys to the kingdom", so they only allow you di tell others privately, like sponsors and advertisers that want to target your content directly.

>>15774023
Narukami Was Right

I went to check Lofi Girl, since it saw a normal dip in audience around new years, but at least this looks to be back to normal 40k
https://playboard.co/en/video/5qap5aO4i9A

Then again, the main theory right now is that reoccurring viewers, or people that watch way too much of 1 content type are being culled, which Lofi Girl will get a huge rotation of people in the 24/7 stream.

Also, for some reason, they ran a poll.
Lower viewer interaction, as expected from this type of channel.

>>15774302
This. There's nothing we can do against youtube so it's better to just show it to your oshi and the fanbase so that both can use it as cope material

>>15774419
WTF!? Why? What was their reason and why tubers just accepted it?

I swear, if this thread becomes a matomenigger general for SEAmonkeys it's better off dead.

>>15774346
>Mahjong Souls lottery got only 24k before.
Here anon, the lottery for Mahjong Souls 2021
https://playboard.co/en/video/JFDn3BUuvcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDn3BUuvcw

48k according to Playboard, and that most likely missed the peak

>>15773719
twich dosent give a fuck, i have watched cock fighting on twitch before

>>15774499
You think YouTubers accepted it? Some of their biggest creators have complained a lot about some of the feature changes, and YouTube reacts to them from time to time. This time, they wanted the dislikes gone and there was no one that could do anything about it.

YouTube has the most disliked video on site, beating the likes of Rebecca Black and Justin Bieber, among others. There is no way that they were going to allow that optics embarrassment to continue.

I genuinely don't know what Hololive would look like if they began a gradual migration to Twitch. It won't ever happen in a million years, but it's interesting to think about.

>>15774346
>>15774577
>Mahjong Souls lottery got only 24k before.
Better yet, here is from the horse's mouth
https://twitter.com/2434rankings/status/1345718215725338625

49k peak according to them

>>15774577
>>15774727
Not Mahjong Soul, this is; 27k peak: https://playboard.co/en/video/ILvt3QWClvM

>>15774312
i got premium, also got culled

>only 59k peak, 2:33:00 duration
> 1 mil views in a few hours, likely not even finished processing yet
DYBRI?

Pekora has gotten 60k many times before and most are longer and font get to 1 mil nearly as quickly.

>>15774723
I can see some holo's dipping their toes in twitch again if this cull gets worse to the point that it harms their optics.

>>15774838
eyyyy, same.

Which in this case means the streamer literally is robbed of money.
Very little money given how it's distributed, but still, this isn't a case of "ads don't play for this user". According to our Premium agreement, YT should be paying the creators we watch for how much we watch them.

meanwhile nijichads

>>15774790
NTA, but dude, compare the titles.

The title for Maimoto's stream last night was にじさんじ麻雀杯2022.

It was the draft for Niji mahjong cup 2022. Same visuals and seasonal date as the 49k peak stream as well.

The one you're linking was likely a test run tournament before they ran Niji Mahjong cup 2021 in Jan 2021.

>>15774790
>Not Mahjong Soul,
Anon, CLICK THE FUCKING LINK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFDn3BUuvcw
It says right there: Mahjong Soul.

It clearly is equivalent to what happened today: the new year cup

Last year title
>【#にじさんじ麻雀杯】新春!にじさんじ麻雀杯2021 ルール説明&抽選会【にじさんじ】

This year title
>【雀魂】新春!にじさんじ麻雀杯2022 企画説明&抽選会【#にじさんじ麻雀杯】

It's the fucking lottery for #にじさんじ麻雀杯 in both cases, which get 49k in 2021.

>>15774937
>Youtube implements an anti-boxpushing feature
>Hololive tanks while Nijimales rise from the ashes
lmao

>>15774052
HoloEN are boring as fuck compared to Vshojo I think they'll be fine.

>>15774723
Kiara would be way more open with her lesbian-for-pay attitude
Gura would go all out with feet
Haachama wouldnt change but streams more often like making peppermint spaghetti videos and such
Suisei would do strip-tetris
Pekora would allow her brother to softly pound her ass while playing minecraft in minecraft
Nene would suicide on stream
Korone will break the world endurance stream record and die from it
Miko would be the same but more cleavage
Matsu would be the same but less censored
Ina would fade away because of her quiet nature not being predominant enough and no one would know she left weeks ago
Luna would go back to her english classes as well as adopting a more harsh but loli personality and teams up with Chibidoki a lot

>>15774937
Seems like the Niji EN boys mostly escaped the cull, possibly because many of their viewers weren't watching vtubers before at least not on YT?

>>15774937
Glad to know my prediction that Mysta will always beat Vox in head to head CCV is still true.

>>15774937
Did he just have zero loss from the waiting room or something

>>15774990
That's not far from the truth. If what happened was accounts that watched the current crop of vtubers became ghosts the only ones that will more or less be immune are the ones that expanded the market, meaning
>the niji en boys that snagged the SEA fujos that wouldn't watch the existing JP vtubers for not understanding the language

>>15775028
>Matsu less cleavage than Miko

>>15775065
It looks so far like Chloe got hit the least of any of her gen which backs up my theory that most of her fans are salarymen who didn't watch chuubas before but got taken in by her siren charms

>>15774723
everything would just be better and more fun
watch the one MC stream peko did on twitch

>It won't ever happen in a million years
why?

>>15773904
woahh that looks great!

>>15773326
speaking of honma the Niji account seems to have re-followed her
it does seem to have been an accidental block, but did she ever address it on twitter or on stream?

>>15775278
Because migrating from Youtube would mean dropping channels with literal millions of subscribers, losing their ever-pervasive VOD views, having to up the number of hours streamed weekly for most of their talents substantially, losing the feedback loop of clippers>channel views via Youtube suggestions, etc.

It'd be a terrible business decision for literally everything but CCV numbers.

Here is the exchange with Youtube in 2021 about that
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1337584448204918784

>>15775351
they can just upload the VOD on their youtube account

>>15775321
there is this rrat about her not renovating her contract this year

Now that I think of it. When was the last time a Hololive channel or stream got shadowbanned. You know when big streams happened and suddenly the stream could no longer be found. I can't remember the last it happened

>>15775358
The only reason they admitted back then is that, on top of the cull, views were being shown as "zero" for minutes after the waiting room cull and it happened, for instance, on Anya's debut.

Their "fix" was to release the data gradually after the cull instead of waiting until all were validated. They didn't fix the cull tho, it was deliberate and they admitted to it 10 days later

>>15775381
And now those VODs will start with 0 views instead of hundreds of thousands, making them significantly less likely to be picked up by the algorithm.

It's a model that works fine for talents that started on Twitch, but the reverse is much more challenging.

This totally random Twitch streamer I found has as many viewers as Roboco's average for her last stream by the way

>>15775358
>not showing the polls as proof
ngmi

>>15775389
I assume the last time was when Kiara got her account banned by Youtube. After that it stopped showing the same symptoms that made it possible to identify an account as "shadowbanned"

Based Susan is a Luxiem fangirl.

>>15775490
Welcome to the era of Nijisanji EN (male).

>>15775426
Your date reps anon

>>15775415
I dislike the idea of streaming on Twitch but having one odd stream in a while in another platform was something done back in 2019/2020 with Haachama (and others) having streams BiliBili in their regular schedules with content targetted to that audience (instead of just rebroadcasts).

I would experiment with that if I were the JP girls right now

>>15774895
>>15774838
Time to tweet receipts to team Youtube, Premium bros. A tweet from someone that pays them is exactly the kind of shit they might respond to.

>>15775426
Anon check the date those tweets were made, please

>>15775385
I think that rrat stemmed from this unfollow incident.
So that's another win for pic related.

>vtuber lose numbers
>I lose interest
Anyone with the same feeling?

Here is some food for thought
>Kanae doesn't have a single stream under 4k on Mado's record

20 minutes in and he's stuck on 2k. If he fails to break 4k it will be yet another
>his lowest stream on record
incidence.

>>15775624
I'm still watching my oshi and my second oshi so no

>>15775650
wish it wasn't Valorant so we could eliminate the debuff factor

>>15775695
Debuff doesn't matter if he has literally NEVER hit that low of a number before

>>15775624
Nah, observing the decline of CCV is as amusing as observing its rise, specially when you know it's artificial and the quantity that the number represents didn't really change.

>>15775656
>I'm still watching my oshi and my second oshi so no
Wait, I surely hope you guys don't mix numberfaging and watching streams. You can do both but with full conscience one thing doesn't have anything to do with the other

>>15775650
Maybe he's just getting murdered by the NijiEN dudes. It's a pretty shit timeslot for JP too, what the fuck is he doing streaming at this hour.

>>15775624
No, I started watching before numbers were big, so it's nostalgic. But also, I hope Hololive simply migrates to Twitch, because fuck Youtube

someone lay out the numbers for sneeze compilation videos please
who is the most watched sneezer
im betting on nachoneko

when will other holos join laplus and become full time twitch streamers?

>>15775800
Me too but it's clear the drop is bullshit and we don't get the benefits of less viewers like a comfy chat

>>15775650
>>15775695
>wish it wasn't Valorant so we could eliminate the debuff factor
Let me check

>HOLY SHIT!
Kanae may be the "patient zero" of this CCV cull.

Here is the list of the lowest CCV Kanae ever got, all the streams he had under 5k

>viewer :: date :: title
>4009 :: 2021-12-18 :: EFT | 寝る前こふこふ【にじさんじ/叶】
>4550 :: 2021-12-27 :: 【GALLERIAコラボ】Xbox Game Pass × Windows 11のガレリアさんPCでゲーマー応援!【にじさんじ/叶】
>4641 :: 2022-01-02 :: ポーカーチェイス | NNOP!主催側だけど100万円獲るぞ~!! ※概要欄読んでね【にじさんじ/叶】
>4643 :: 2021-12-26 :: EFT | 釈迦さんとクリスマスタスクやるよ~ん!!【にじさんじ/叶】
>4849 :: 2021-11-18 :: Twelve Minutes | ループする運命。たったの12分【にじさんじ/叶】
>4909 :: 2021-10-11 :: 適当 | 今日はゆったりゲームやるぞ~~適当に!【にじさんじ/叶】
>4990 :: 2021-11-13 :: VALORANT | 今日も毎日VALO練習~~!【にじさんじ/叶】

His four lowest CCV are after December 18, his third lowest being a the Poker event yesterday.

Literally every single abnormally low number can and should be explained as a cull. Anybody who doesn't scream "cull" immediately is a Susan's shill.
And I'm saying this 100% unironically.

>>15775725
if he has played Valorant before, or even recently (before/after the cull) would be an interesting metric.

>>15775916
He plays Valo all the time and 10k isn't unheard of

>>15775624
No.
It is depressing seeing those live numbers though, so i've been watching fewer live streams.
Watching more clips and even archives though and expecting to bounce back with streams too.

This is a gangbang

>>15775727
>Wait, I surely hope you guys don't mix numberfaging and watching streams.
pretty much, I think most of the veterans on this thread realize it already, but the newfags may need time to acclimitize to it.
Or well, it could just be one of the schizos throwing bait, who knows.

>>15774023
>numbers thread
>Now that numberfagging is dead, here's some trash, completely unrelated to thread
Which proves the point that /#/ is not a thread of anons discussing numbers, but holokeks seething and copeing about their free rent.

>>15775956
But has he ever played it at 4 in the morning out of nowhere? He could be getting hurt by the NijiEN collab too since he started after them.

>>15775903
were any of those streams as late in the night as this one?
if yes, then yeah we might have a confirmed patient zero from Niji on our hands.

>Manjisanji and Vshojo will disproportionately dominate the vtuber landscape moving forward for at least the next year

I'm genuinely scared for the health of this hobby now.

>Inb4 Pekora starts doing alternating twitch streams within the next 2 weeks.

>>15775835
Probably Chigusa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL4AZAQBVFg

>>15775971
Flips are loyal unlike the rest of SEA

>>15775988
For months holofags were using the "numbers = quality" argument. But now the Niji males have debuted, they are strangely silent. By their own logic, it should mean the Niji males are supremely talented and charismatic

>>15776030
too early for extrapolation anon. Wait for a month for this "new normal" to stabilize.

I've heard several big youtubers talk about "January" somehow being the month with the worst earnings, and being the usual "vacation month" for them... could this have something to do with why Youtube pushes all these bullshit changes in December?

>>15775358
>arayo
Isn’t that the guy who gave Botan shit for collabing with a male or something

>>15775916
>>15775903
He plays it a lot more on Twitch, here are his recent numbers... triple his current on YT numbers.
https://twitchtracker.com/kanae_2434/games/516575

>>15776036
Based, she should

>>15776030
Actually, i'm thinking YT just doesn't have enough user data for the NijiEN Males yet, because they really brought in a lot of new viewers that weren't watching vtubers.
At the end of the month though, we will probably see their videos at 1/2 audience too, while keeping the same vod views.

>>15776148
Expect him to move to Twitch full time. And Kuzuha will probably follow.

>>15773638
She still has foreign fans. Her English discord is quite active, they just chat there (or in Japanese) rather than spam Lamy with English.

>>15776028
>were any of those streams as late in the night as this one?
Anon, his third lowest attended stream so far was the poker one yesterday, smack in the middle of the day.

He then went to have a 10k stream, starting on midnight and finishing it at 3AM, still holding about 10k.

>>15776065
>numbers = quality
The voices in your head may have said that

Old news but I'm not up to date. Since this is the defacto /industry/ and numbers are retarded now I should ask here.

AZKi is joining Hololive fulltime. No more INNK music. Which assets and employees are udp8 and won't be retained? Why would AZKi join hololive? She has far less resources and focus now. This should be devastating for her from a career perspective since she has to eat from the same bowl 50 other people are eating from. I thought she'd graduate than have this much of a career dropoff.

>>15776289
hmm.. well if it fits within his streaming patterns, then yeah we are probably looking at a Niji liver cull as well.
Nijimado doesn't seem have waiting room checks unfortunately, did anyone catch his waiting room CCV before he started?

Who will graduate because of the culling?

>>15775978
I've been around since 5k was a big achievement and the all time record was something like 50k so as long as my favourites understand the situation and understand the smaller numbers aren't their fault then I don't really care much. But knowing there's a lot of people watching big events really adds to the hype and excitement around it, I'll never forget how crazy people were going around Pekora getting 50k for a regular game stream in MGS4 or Coco destroying the record and smashing through the seemingly impenetrable at the time 100k barrier for her 3D.

>>15776388
just because INNK is being dissolved as a company doesn't mean they're just gonna burn every asset under it anon.
Hololive productions is probably gonna absorb a lot of folks, and since Suichan has already released a few albums under the hololive label, hopefully the process get more streamlined.

>>15773904
Thanks anon, that's a great chart.

>>15775568
how long do they usually take to reply?

>>15776462
yeah the joy of numberfagging is related but slightly different from the enjoyment of streaming content.
Kinda sad that one part of it seems to be going away, but at least no one can take away my enjoyment of the stream itself (no matter how much Susan tries).

This might be a stupid question but does the length of the waiting room affect the number cull when the stream starts?
Is a frame that was put up 2 hours before start affected as much as one that was put up 24 hours before?
Are guerilla streams where your viewers can't sit in a waiting room the hole day affected as much?

>>15775358
Anon your year reps

>>15776508
meant for >>15776434

>>15776432
Probably a bunch of 3-digit indies if they're too retarded to move to twitch

>>15776462
>doesn't mean they're just gonna burn every asset under it anon.
Where does Cover end and udp8 end? I know the company is kill but does that mean everything under INNK is owned by Cover? If so this just seems like it helps everyone BUT AZKi. This just feels like a step down for her. I guess keeping a foot in hololive can payoff, maybe.

>>15776484
idk, but i think it's usually pretty fast

>>15775971
I don't know. I might be misremembering it since I'm a bit lazy to look their numbers up, but from this, I believe Millie's dropped a bit? Shu and Luca's don't seem to have changed significantly, and so does Vox. Mysta's seems to be a few thousands lower - which might be because the cull is catching up to him, but could also be due to it being too late for JP / SEA? His numbers tend to be lower when it comes to EU / NA time, IIRC. All in all, don't seem to be as affected by the cull as HoloJP/En or NijiJP. Am I wrong?

btw matsuri is on twitcasting but i'm unable to know how many people are watching...

Even if they don't switch to Twitch permanently doing some test streams might help their mental state and farm some Prime subs. Hell Miko is making six figures doing almost nothing on Twitch. Why not? If it were a one time thing watching OTV dogpile Myth with raids could be entertaining

>>15776680
765 current, 2275 total cumulative views.

>>15776646
I'm pretty sure AZKi is fully owned by Cover and Upd8 was just hired to help with managing and production. I highly doubt that any of the assets or the music are owned by Upd8. Some of the 3d tech might be, but not the models themselves.

And Hololive's 3d is good enough for AZKi. In terms of her music output, I wouldn't be worried, it's not gonna slow down. Joining Hololive will only benefit her, because Cover will be able to give her sponsorships and promote her on the main channel, in Hologra and what not.

>>15776646
Wasn't INNK a subsidiary of Cover anyway? Even if they dissolved, all of the stuff belonged to them anyway. They probably were working to take the stuff they did in partnership with Upd8 back. Now they're just reintegrating everything into the more successful program.

Basically, AZKi is now going to be in the box for real.

>>15776434
>you'll never feel that little rush as your oshi goes over 100k again

Since DrDisrespect is also streaming this is what he has before going to a brief intermission.

>>15776784
cant they "turn off" raids? or even better, make a whitelist to make raids only between them

Instead of making bets on CCV peaks, we should start making bets on CCV lows.

Who wants to bet Ame doesn't hit 2k on Supa Sunday today?

>>15776434
Funny how 100K was so far above any other stream before then and yet the first to reach it was a shadowbanned stream.

>>15776909
Yes but turning them on once in a while would be interesting and probably harmless.

>>15776853
Gura's 3D debut will be lucky to hit 70k...

>>15776515
No, the waiting room is simply a number representing two things:
>people who "hit the bell icon" / have the reminder on
>people who interact in chat
You don't even have to be on the waiting room to be counted either. For the purposes of validation, that makes no sense for YouTube to parse.

>>15773914
views / length in hours

>>15776820
kek, is fucking twitter getting culled too?

>>15776972
Really that does seem kind of odd.

>>15777002
It's a waiting room. The data is reset and started from 0 once the stream goes live. There is nothing odd about it.

>>15776899
> no culls here, no siree
fucking normalfags are cancer nanobots or something, they ruin everything they touch

>>15776972
I see, thanks. It was a stupid question after all.

>>15774147
YouTube pays more

>>15777001
Nah, Holo's Twitcasts always have significantly lower participants than their streams. Given Matsuri's current level of popularity, 776 isn't too low

>>15776911
>>15776948
Wait, we don't even know if Gura and Ame are getting culled again? Their status right now is pretty much unknown, I'm still high on hopium

>>15777055
Kiara has already pointed out the bullshit with her polls... maybe a KFP can get her to tell the audience to refresh one of her streams after it starts? would be interesting to see confirmation.

>>15777077
Asking questions is the best form verification. It's better to dumb and curious than be "smart" and stubborn.

>>15776899
How have his and Ludwig's numbers compared to previous streams now?

>>15777134
Why would they be the only two to be spared by this?

>>15776899
40k watching 8k likes l o l

>>15777161
Ludwig's numbers don't seem to be particularly unusual. It's on his lower side, but he has gotten similar CCV before Chrstmas / Dec 2021

>>15777112
Also, Twitch IS in a ticking time-bomb situation here.
Since we're on the subject of react content....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLbUUBl1NPU
tl;dr : People on Twitch getting more daring, just straight up full movie watchalongs in some cases (LOTR). Could result in everyone getting fucked over in the long run if people don't dial it back a bit.

>>15777134
>>15777190
>>15777205
It's not the channels that get culled, but the users getting flagged as bots.

>>15777199
bro it's just a cultural difference vtuber audiences just like videos at a 150% rate bro

>Towa's live
Peak CCV was 23k but the VOD is at 437k views after 10 hours.
>Flare's live from a few months ago
Peak CCV was 60k but the VOD is at 442k views after 4 months.

Hmmm, Towa must have lots of overseas fans!

>>15777190
I don't know, the nijiboy didn't get culled so there's a chance

>>15777240
They also participate in polls well and only watch 10 seconds of a stream to like and vote in a poll.

>>15777231
Aren't chumbuds notorious for not watching other chuubas or even Gura when she's on other channels? That might be good for Gura if our detective work is on the right lines.

>>15777230
>alt right rabbit hole
and closed 20 seconds in

why do you have that on hand?

>>15777269
The more Insular/Tourist your audience, the less you'll be affected seems to be the rule of thumb I'm seeing.
Gura MIGHT be okay, in that she still has that core of 9-10k that will watch Gura and ONLY Gura. Unfortunately, that section of chumbuds that's part of the box? Culled. That's going to have a knock-on-effect to a lot of HoloEN numbers, probably dropping everyone who streams in the evening in NA to get a good 2k+ lopped off.

>>15777231
But viewers watch channels. Assume that their behaviors remain more less the same, wouldn't the channels they watch end up being affected indirectly?

>>15777315
Only because someone sent it to me and it was very specifically on the topic of react content on Twitch, and that's all that video talks about, if you're going to trust some random anon on this place we call '4chan'. There's no political bullshit in the vid.

>>15776840
>>15776831
Most fans who know of AZKi think she's in hololive anyways. I don't see how it really helps her, it is just a reduction in the capital she has exclusive access to. 3D tech would be important since they'd have to touch up her model to work with their stone age 3D tech.

>>15777355
>>15777305
Assuming that people who watch other live content on YouTube isn't exactly easy. For people like chumbuds, you could assume that they're primarily connected to twitch and only come to YouTube for Gura streams if Sikkuno (is that his name) is anything to go by.

Here it goes anon, Kanae LOWEST CCV EVER ON RECORD!
>2,617
Second lowest was over 4000 (See >>15775903) and the lowest Valorant was near 5k.

That's a good thing tho, with Kuzuha playing LOL tomorrow this "movement" may be joined by rabid fujos complaining about their beloved

>>15776853
50k is the new 100k

>>15776434
>I'll never forget how crazy people were going around Pekora getting 50k
It's still crazy to this day, pekora ff10, mgs, and luna collab are still the most impressive numbers imo

>>15777458
Kanae fans must really like everyone.

I think Kanae was mad at his shit viewers. Already ended the stream, 2.6k peak.

>>15777446
Look, clearly the frog knows something we don't, if he's willing to so far as to say "I feel like I was the one holding her back, so I'm quitting so she can soar onwards". You don't write that sort of shit lightly, basically publicly lighting yourself on fire as you go out.

>>15777458
>muh bug
it's 5 a.m in japan and he is playing that fucking debuff game again, that number is fine.

>>15773904
Portubro, is that you?

>>15774312
The cull do exist but I can't replicate it >>15771914

>>15777458
ok now I belieb

>>15777516
He could have just been depressed. We do know AZKi was extremely unhappy with something so it could have been many things.

>>15777537
The second biggest niji getting 2k for any game at any time is fucking ridiculous

>>15777190
I think Gura and Ame fans are hopeful because their new years streams did very well and thatbwas post cull.

>>15777584
Almost certain it's account side then, it would explain the discrepancies, why some chubbas seem to be skating on past it while others are getting smacked REALLY hard, and why some people are able to easily replicate the issues (affected accounts) while others cannot.

>>15777584
here

Actually since people were talking about it, do we have a full history of the vtuber CCV record? Playboard goes back to the start of 2020 and I'm pretty sure Lize's 3D broke the record at the time, but if nobody knows what went on in 2019 I'll have to trawl through the Japanese internet to find it because I'm curious now.

>>15777648
newfagchama, he is not KING, his numbers are usually on low side if he plays debuf games, even on prime hours, sometimes he gets 5k-6k, if it's shit like valo or poker.

>>15777787
Aren't member streams getting culled too? Between premium and membership you are paying youtube to not be counted. Like how else can you prove your engagement?

>>15774723
I honestly wouldn't care too much if they just disabled sound and on-screen notifications. That shit is not only beyond distracting for a viewer, but also completely throws off settups for lesser experienced streamers, and the whole thing will be a garbled mess.

>>15775351
But twitch streamers constantly get clipped and have those clips uploaded to YouTube.

>>15777787
>accounts = not views
>no accounts, the easiest thing to replicate, counts
Somebody messed up some boolean logic somewhere. Maybe one too many !

>>15771914
Very interesting. I just went to the lowest stream I could find, where I was absolutely certainly the only viewer. It said one viewer, I tabbed out, instantly it showed none. It didn't re-register me as a viewer until I refreshed.
I have Youtube premium and watch mostly Hololive EN, and have whitelisted Youtube in my adblocker.

>>15774314
>get them in enough of an uproar that Youtube eventually has to at least respond.
not him but call me when they bring back the dislike button.

>>15776911
>Who wants to bet Ame doesn't hit 2k on Supa Sunday today?
shes going to less than 1k

>>15777972
Until youtube looses its monopoly and/or there is a good alternative. Youtube can do whatever it wants without fear of financial repercussion.

>>15776911
>supa sunday today
>sunday
>today

>>15776432
>Who will lose sponsors because of the culling?
fixed

>>15778044
#ameway

>yfw the "debut buff" was never a thing and it was just regular viewers before Youtube began processing them as bots

>>15776222
>i'm thinking YT just doesn't have enough user data for the NijiEN Males yet
The solution is creating a new branch? HoloKR and NijiEsp?

>>15777205
>>15777161
Ludwig is now a 15k average streamer instead of 25k, he's commented on the lower numbers a few times but says his YT connections have 0 ways of tracking stream numbers so there's not much to do at the time.
He hasn't talked about the cull yet, so not sure of he's aware and just thinks people were busy for new years.
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCrPseYLGpNygVi34QpGNqpA/videos?videoType=2


Valkyrae's numbers have been too inconsistent to call. she's a sub 15k average for a while
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCWxlUwW9BgGISaakjGM37aw/videos?videoType=2

TimTheTatman seems unaffected
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCXBE_QQSZueB8082ml5fslg/videos?videoType=2

It might just be Ludwig, who already had some vtuber audience crossover.

>>15777537
The game he gets 3 times more viewers on Twitch recently, without even having a vtuber tag?
>>15776148

I'm seriously starting to believe that someone high up at Youtube intentionally decided to shadowban a certain percentage of vtuber watchers to make sure the cartoon pedo streams aren't the highest viewed on their platform, no I will not take my meds because I might be a schizo but I'm right.

I got something, I'll post later so you retards won't ruin the chance

>>15778211
>artificially creating disinterest in vtubing
>They'll say, "Vtubing is becoming less popular"
>But really, the hype never died down
Live events and merch sales are going to be the final 'honest' metric

>>15778496
Not like it'll matter to anybody but you and this thread. This is classic "feature, not a bug" territory.

Gura playing DBD for her first new year stream unless we use JST, I guess with the cull she will be around 15k.

Okayu 1k get!

>>15778666
after seeing Inas numbers im expecting 14-16k range myself but i hope its worse so chumbuds kick and scream

>>15777537
New channels they started around mid december so not culled

>>15778666
Who's getting culled is very inconsistent. I think she might get lucky today, but we'll need to see the curve.
RBC didn't get culled yesterday but got culled today for example.

Sup numberfags, just came here to praise our good Susan for making you all seethe and despair. Get fucked.

>>15778463
As if that isn't the most likely conclusion?

Well, more specifically doubling down against K-Pop stans.
Anyway, it's clearly focusing on nieche, very passionate and active fanbases. Which, as much money as they spend on their favorites, making YT money, they (we) don't care about broader YT ads.

>>15778720
>Surely anon is not joking. Okayu hasn't been that low for a while
....

>>15778847
ITS OVER

>>15778810
Anon, we're coping with other metrics.

But your oshi is on meds because she thinks people are leaving her after new year.
Noel and Nene already commented on it, Kiara's on that copium and the rest just don't want to admit it on stream.

>>15778720
... fucking hell that sentence is just too depressing

>>15778436
Japanese vtubers don't use that tag.

>>15778847
i will never get use to this garbage numbers

>>15778823
This is 100% about ad revenue.

We aren't the audience that many Youtube ads are meant to target. We likely have low clickthrough rates on Youtube ads. We likely give chuubas a solid payout on ad revenue despite not bringing much back in for advertisers on chuuba streams.

Undercutting CCV does nothing to affect the amount of SC revenue we bring into Youtube (9/10 top SC channels on the entire site, the vast majority of all top SC'd channels), but significantly reduces the payout they have to give to chuubas over running ads.

>>15777823
Anon, he **never**went below 4K no matter what slot and no matter what game.

This time he didn’t even get 3k. If “first time ever” is not unusual I don’t know what would be, but for sure being beaten by a low tier playing Fallout head to head is not normal

>>15778901
>Noel and Nene already commented on it
Did they? Nene was only going menhera because of HoloX, no?

>>15778901
What my oshis feel or think about it has nothing to do with the pleasure I feel seeing you all having a meltdown, but whatever makes you feel better, I mean, whatever helps you cope.

can also be tuber fatigue
most only have one personality and not fun to watch after a few years
even im getting tired of the whole watching other people play things bit

>>15777458
> Valorant
> witching hour timeslot
too many debuff factors for a conclusive result anon, unless he has had another late night Valorant stream with 4k+ on pre-cull youtube/twitch.

>>15777269
How do you know they aren’t getting culled? Their debut was right around when the culling started.

This feels so fucking wrong.

>>15778901
>Noel and Nene already commented on it, Kiara's on that copium
do we have clips? or timestamps?

>>15779005
He did 2 days ago, 5k...

https://sullygnome.com/channel/kanae_2434

>>15779005
Again, literal ONLY time EVER. No amount of debuffs on the planet could make a viewerbase evaporate overnight like that.

>>15778959
> Hayama beating Kanae
FUCK if only it wasn't late night Valorant we could 100% confirm the cull... too many debuff factors.

>>15778782
If the theory about an account will be flagged as viewer for the first stream they watch until the stream is over is true, would that mean early streams will have an advantage?

>>15778989
(you)

>>15779024
nijisisters... are winning again...

>>15779024

>>15778823
Youtube obviously cares more about your average boomer who doesn't use adblock and will likely sit through a whole 15 seconds commercial as opposed to vtuber fans and kpop stans (who are most likely more tech savvy and don't click on ads) as their target demographic. Vtubing will either have to move to Twitch or some alternate streaming website that can handle the load if you want non-culled ccv.

>>15779076
> 5k and 7k
fuck... confirmed then.
Now to see how JP nijifags react to this. They've been denying the cull all this time, maybe they'll finally start paying attention.

>>15779154
lol no

>>15778847
I've never seen Okayu at 1k since her first few debut months.

>>15779240
>whore era
AAAIIEEEEEEEE

Not like this bros.

>>15779240
>erolive starts the holo incline
>fast forward 2 years later
>the top vtuber is now a literal twitch whore who has virtual sex on cam

>>15779240
can't beat the coomer audience

January luxiem collab vs Christmas eve luxiem collab.

>Gura finally streaming again
>DBD
Oh boy
No matter which way it goes the numbers will cause shitposting

>>15779345
vox inclining and mysta reclining?

Worthless numbers but Towas 3D had about 10k less viewers than her April 3D, but about 10k more chat messages sent. Another worthless number is her April 3D had 16k Jap messages, 7.5k English, and 5k emote messages. Her new one has 8k jap messages, 5k english, but 25k emote messages. Assuming thats what a "stamp" message means on hololyzer at least.
Maybe the emote spamming flagging people as bots isnt a meme

>>15779024
I want Susan and her Pajeet harem hanged for this

>>15779370
Other way around, but apart from a handful of gimmick streams, Vox has always been lower than Mysta in ccv

>>15779240

>>15779345
Their numbers are so consistent.

>>15779240
TWITCHGODS I KNEEL

>>15778729
Why would they? The December 2020 cull was brushed off as cope despite the likes,VODs, and polls showing the ccv was fucked.

>>15779345
so they didn't get culled because they're new channels?

I wonder how good it has to feel to be vindicated after a year of being told any EN cull talk was cope

>>15779375
if you look at her vod views her 3D this time absolutely crushed the other yonkisei 24 hour views and it hasn't even been 12 hours yet.

>Mikkorone part 1
>35k avg/48k peak
>2.1M views, 71k likes

>Mikkorone part 2
>22k avg/28k peak
>2.1M views, 71k likes

Numbers are fucked up, either 10k+ viewers got flagged as bots between part 1 and 2, or there are additional culling based on the streamer channel.
Either way, this shit is fucked and YT is probably better off hiding them off completely if they're too fucking incompetent to show accurate figures

looking at okayu makes me sad, i just brushed through past few months her lowest streams besides these 2 which were very short were some random kusoges but even those were getting 3k+ now shes struggling to crack 2k and might not

So what you're saying is that we should use our flagged accounts to watch the likes of Ludwig or Dr Disrespect en-masse so that the numbers look weird, right

>>15779345
their recovery rate is pretty normal (under 5 mins the normal pre-December recovery rate)

Pecker vod 1k from 1,1m

>>15779552
wtf..

>>15779375
Is quality numbers still a cope?

holy fucking shit there are thousands of clips of hololive girls sneezing

>>15779552
It is looking like each day more and more views are lost, which supports the "viewers are the ones flagged" theory.

So when exactly did this "cull" supposedly begin?

OKAYU OVER 2K LET'S GO

>>15779682
newest one supposedly dec 26-27

>>15779682
When the pekomarine collab failed to get even 20k.

>>15779682
It was most noticeable after Christmas, so around 26 Dec. However, people suspected that it started even before that, just not as obvious

fatto catto...

Talking about Ame's Super Sunday, What are the chances that Bubbabot on twitch ends up with more viewers than the actual stream on YT? Usually it's like half of the viewers.
I believe it's Ame's first SC reading stream done this way after the cull. Hopefully she sets it up, last time she also got lazy and didn't did it.

>>15779375
you can extrapolate that there maybe are a lot more members to spam emotes now.

Can it be checked?
>1.3k member messages per minute max this time
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/YsvEWEEUWa8

On the bright side, if this is a constantly compounding issue that will only get worse over the next week/month and reduce even more chuubas under 2-3k CCV, it may hit such ridiculous levels that Youtube has no choice but to respond.

>>15778951
>This is 100% about ad revenue.
Anon, that's retarded. What do you think, weebs don't buy basic necessities and some nice stuff? I would like to remind you that Gura's Taco Bell exists. Companies would love to sell shit to weebs, just as they would love to sell shit to everybody else.

>>15779802
holy fuck if that happens i laugh usually her bubbabot is something a bit less than half of her superchat watchers.

>>15779375
Honestly, you might be right on the money. None of the NijiEN males have membership yet, so no emote spam.

>>15779826
number of unique members recorded in april was 1203, and on new one is 1984 on Hololyzer at least. Number of unique users recorded that sent chats between each was 5149 april, vs 6135 this time.

>>15779852
Is Taco Bell a cope now?

>>15779839
YouTube gives 0 fucks, the entire platform was against dislikes and they still went thru with it, if something doens't affect corpos might as well give up in trying to make YouTube change it

>>15779758
It didn't happen all at once, but there are several streams before the 26 which had suspiciously low CCV. You'd just call them outliers on a normal day, but given how inconsistent the cull is, you can't really discard any of them as cull-free. i.e. there's no way to pinpoint precisely when the cull started just by looking at top CCV.

>>15778951
But then YT ad bot just reduces the value of an ad played.
Streamer, anime and vtuber adsense was already closer to 1$ per 1000 views than the usual 3-4$.

Unless... the ad bot didn't work for live streams well, giving out a larger payout. And instead of fixing that, they just reduced the live viewers... like absolute morons.

Not the first time though, there was that Premium viewer exploit found a few months back. Which was absolutely ridiculous because they could have easily coded the Premium payout to go out based on watch time at the end of the month, but no, YT coders were morons.

>>15779852
yeah the idea that otaku in japan dont have disposable income is...incorrect

>TeamYoutube indirectly admits to be flagging even premium accounts as 'spammy' and removing them from ccv counter
sorry if this was some anon still waiting, but looks like they're not gonna reply anymore after the last one. Some more premiums should tweet them about the same thing, different pictures, if you can. They are biting.

There's literally 1 Holo stream up and you're telling me they can only get 2.1k viewers? Yeah okay mate.

>>15779552
just checked the chat rates,
Part 1
>823 chats/second

Part 2
>1244 chats/second

This makes even less sense, and part 2 wasn't botted by chinks

>>15780044
The vtuber audience even in the West has a ton of money to spend on their hobbies. I mean that is blindingly obvious based on SC and merch. In fact they tend to be introverts, weebs, and shut in so they aren't spending money on clothes, nights out, cars, watches... They spend it on their anime friend/gf surrogates

>>15780027
Dislikes don't matter. It's a problem if YT can't accurately show how many people are looking at content however because they sell ads by impressions.

>>15780049
Based, other anons with premium should do that. i'm currently a poorfag, so don't have one.

>>15780049
>Premium accs doesn't see ads
>Premium accs don't count as a viewer just as if you had addblock enabled
Hum...

>>15780049
I know you guys have your hearts in the right place, but I hope you aren't actually expecting technical analytics answers from social media interns

>>15780049
That’s a generic answer. Also: one can search Twitter so blanking the names is silly.

>>15780049
>the premium paypig virgin vs the degoogled logout chad

>>15780049
>Real time activity only shows estimates of potential view activity
>it might not match the number you see on the watch page
? then hide the numbers you fucking morons if you can't give us accurate data.

>>15780121
i mean, then just put gacha ads on their channels? those companies still pay out the ass, you dont need honda advertising their new SUV to make money anymore

>>15780155
Still, bombarding these people with messages is important.

>>15779682
Pretty sure I made a post showcasing someone "flatlining" the CCV graph on the 22 and other people started posting more about this "flatlining" on the days after.

>>15780049
nice day 1 paypig account you got there friend, would be a shame if I made it count for less than an anonymous logged out VPN user

>>15780155
Ofc the Twitter intern/bot won't know.

The point is more to bombard the report and twitter team with technical questions and reports to the point where they HAVE to escalate it to SE or manager side.

>>15780211
No my point is I agree. Which is why I think pure profit motive can't be the only thing driving these decisions. Just look at the culture at Google/Apple/etc and see some of the decision they've made. Do you really think diversity increases profits? Heh.

>>15780027
They were pressured to remove dislikes by their corporate partners and that portion of their clientele is substantial to their overall business goals, this is an entirely different situation.

If every single one of their most superchatted channels on the entire site sees their viewership reducing at a compounded rate day after day for a month straight, they'll be forced to respond one way or another. The literal worst case scenario is that what we're seeing right now is the worst it gets. The best case scenario is that things actually get significantly worse to the point where there is no debate what is happening and Cover and Anycolor are forced to pressure them over it.

>>15780202
Honestly, might as well hide it. Just numberfag with sub and vod numbers, this is youtube not twitch.

>>15780155
I don't think people expect technical answers. However, they can, and have contacted their other technical teams before. In the worst case, nothing happens. In the best case, they send their pajeets a message in the line of "Fuck, why the fuck have these retards been asking us the same questions about not being counted as viewers. Can you guys take a look at your dumpster of a pile of code or something?"

>>15780155
make enough noise and they'll likely report it to their superiors

I feel like if someone asked say, Kiara "Boss there's been some evidence premium users aren't being counted as viewers, should we keep it?" we might actually get some data on whether premium is a significant fraction of their income and spur her/Cover to investigate further. Actually with a fanbase like hers they could actually do some interesting experiments if she wanted to.

>>15780396
JUST noomberfag with SUB and VoD views. Chumbud copes are going to orbit.

>>15779240
collabs really are key on twitch, aren't they?

>>15780501
>showing data and analytics on stream
Where've I seen this before

You genuinely just need one semi viral tweet (or, ironically, youtube video), and as much as it disgusts me to say it the type of person you'd need to go to for that in this space is someone like The Quartering or Nux Taku.

>>15780387
lol, dude, the biggest youtube channels and streamers out there get zero help from youtube, what the fuck makes you think they'll give a singular fuck about a bunch of japs wearing anime faces.

>>15780525
theres upper circles of twitch who all share chat hopping viewers, vsj finally got into one of them.

>>15780525
Am I reading this right? Not a single VSJ in her top overlaps?

>>15780519
Why am I coping? Gura's CCV didn't drop at all.

>>15780525
*Leeching from the Clique
Normal one-time collabs don't work, you really have to worm your way into the 'circle of friends' and stick to it. If you fall off and are no longer in favor? There go the viewers.

>>15780572
How much SC revenue alone did Hololive collectively bring into Youtube this year, assuming a 1/3rd cut?

This isn't Charlie getting mad at Susan over lost subs.

>>15780617
Still a drop in the bucket in revenue, and if anything, youtube WANTS these 'uppity anime girls' gone from their SC charts since it looks bad to normalfags/normies whatever the fuck the slang is nowadays.

>>15780585
its mainly just vei

>>15780601
Crying about the live view counter when it doesn't align with your perspective. You want it hid because now that number is TOO low.

>>15780617
Nothing compared to their overall ad revenue. Quite literally. They made around 7 billion in q3 alone. All of Cover's superchats + members + ad revenue is a good chunk of change, millions no doubt. But to Youtube it doesn't even register.

>>15780669
The point being that Cover and Anycolor (especially Cover) have much more leverage at the corporate level than some lone high-sub Youtube channel.

>>15779896
Remember that one time a big YouTuber got a bunch of his viewers' Google accounts locked because of emote spam?

>>15780525
the kuzuha buff kek they only watch a certain streamer but this wont box push the whole company

>>15780617
vtubers are midgets compared to the actual youtubers out there with 10, 20, 30mi subs... I know people here get hyped when a cover gets 1mi in a day or there is over 10mi views, but when you compare them to a normal Mr. Beast video, then you see it's worth nothing.

>>15780617
300 billion yen iirc
About 100 billion to YT

>>15780688
Makes sense to me.
Vei's streaming times tend to be earlier in the day, EU friendly hours, whereas Nyanners and Ironmouse stream later in the day.

>>15780202
Dont give them any ideas faggot

>>15780766
Hiding CCV would unironically be the best decision Youtube ever made.

>>15780696
You are the only one crying here. I'm just saying that if that shit doesn't work, just remove it.

>>15780712
https://9to5google.com/2019/11/09/google-account-bans-youtube-emote-spam-markiplier/
If people started losing Google accounts instead of being shadowbanned in the metrics, this would've been fixed already.

>>15780598
This is only based on 1 day overlap. There are Vshojo members in there when you do 7 day overlap.

Someone should do a cross reference of cull percentage and what percentage of chat is emotes.

>>15780748
Are you sure that's the accurate figure? That would make Cover's SC cut rivals the market cap of major companies.

>>15780688
If you do a 7 day overlap you can clearly see a noticable amount of overlap with some like sodappppin. It's just not as much as Vei which isn't surprising since she's the one closest to Soda.

>>15780798
and how would you know something is trending on youtube?

>>15780935
The same way it already happens- they pick random shit that they feel is worth showing in trending/featured pages that already aren't the highest CCV streams on the platform.

>>15780935
youtube will tell you

from 4k to 695. (Koyori)
nice.

>>15780907
>>15780748
Sry fucked up the denominator
it's 2.3 billion yen for this year which makes YT about 6-7 million USD from publicly available SC alone

>>15780907
yeah hes way off its 2.3billion not 100billion or about 750m yen for YT or so

>>15780992
Is it just me or have waiting room numbers gone up just as CCV started going down?

>>15780525
These aren't even vtuber fans they're just random twitch fucks. Most of them will eventually leave.

>>15781033
the waiting rooms were normal at least for the big events i took notice of

>>15781079
once you are apart of the clique you stay with it or wilt.

>>15781079
As long as she keeps herself in good graces of the inner circle, she'll keep the viewers. That's the way this works.

>>15781094
yeah, ash on lol being prime example.

>>15780740
Individually sure, but in the last 30 days Mr. Beast main channel has around 531M views, and Cover as a company has 400M. That's not really that big a difference. And just for kicks, Mr. Beast has $157K total lifetime superchats. To put is very, very mildly Cover as a group has a lot more than that.

>>15780718
>>15780525
now imagine if all the mizkif and soda viewers didnt count for whorebae and the ironmouse viewers didnt count for zentranny

>>15781079
it depends with those cliques

>>15781085
4k waiting for Koyori's morning stream seems like way too much. I'm going only by feeling, so I could be wrong. But you usually didn't see much more than 2k in the waiting room for mid-tier CCV streams like this used to be. Its top CCV wasn't even getting near 10k on the regular before the cull.

>>15781165
mrbeast has like 8 channels where he leeches off his own popularity though
although i guess if he started livestreaming all of them say poof to that viewcount!

Amazing! Every single viewer so far left a like

>>15781231
Japs are notorious for just entering a stream to leave a like and leave.

>>15781181
>ironmouse viewers didnt count for zentranny
Imagine if we took out people who also views one of the most popular twitch vtubers.
No shit that would take out a lot of viewers dumbass. That's like asking what if we took out gura viewers from kiara.

Amelia is doing superchat readings in 45 minutes, looking at description she might have her twitch radio bubb4bot running, it never gets as many viewers as her actual superchat reading but i'll be interested to see the discrepancy today if EN is affected as much.

>>15781231
I mean it's 6 minutes in what do you expect? Show me some weird numbers from normal streams.

>>15781228
Oh no doubt but people act like Cover is some inconsequential midget. 400M views a month puts them up there with some big names. Dude perfect is 80M/30 days, Taylor Swift 235M, Nick Jr 345M. They do pretty well and have massive SC.

Coco would've bring attention to this....
Why does it have to be this way bross....

>>15781231
The waiting room had just over 3k, didn't catch the final amount.

>>15781299
Ame SC reading is almost always like 2k-ish. If it's like 900 or something you can be concerned.

>>15781299
Opening up twitch just for bgm is sort of a pain I know I never bothered to do it. What sort of engagement would you expect on something like that. 10%? 30%? I really have no idea

>>15781352
The other orange woman got blatant proof, whether she bothers cover about it or not, and whether they care to do anything about it even if she does, is something else entirely

>>15781290
yeah thats literally whats happening right now anon, catch up on your archives

>>15781352
Wait, was kson affected by this in any way?

>>15781079
As I said earlier...
>>15780616
Ultimately the only real way to 'retain' these power-users is to join the in-group. If you fall out of favor, so to does your viewership gained from them.

>>15781014
>>15781024

Damn. Looking at those figures make you realize that the vtubing industry's yearly contribution to youtube is barely a fraction of Youtube's ad revenue. Cover added about 6 to 7 million USD to Youtube over a year, while Youtube made around 3.3 million per hour last quarter.

>>15781370
4441 according to holostats.