/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>15429047
Manjisanji is real
where the femal are just accesories for the males.

I like that the fanbase is now evenly split between males and females. Feels good man

>>15429047
I'm confused, are you denying the existence of male NijiEN members having a buff in concurrent viewership or are you saying that it does exist but it's not as big as people make it out to be or is it your saying it IS real and that these number come from the male NijiEN livers?

Please answer me.

>>15429589
The latter I assume

>>15429589
>you saying that it does exist but it's not as big as people make it out to be
This

>>15429047
So half of Ina playing Mario Kart?

I really do have to wonder where these viewers are coming from

>>15429873
They are male wave's female viewers. trust me.

>>15429873
From Holo en fanbase. Niji en actually looks fresh diverse and more fun than Holo en. Their way of collabing is also similar to that of holo jp. More tee tee driven than Holo en

>>15429873
Mix of the regular Niji EN fans and the new fujos.

>>15430674
Lot of cope. There is no fluctuation when an Holo EN or Niji EN streams at the same time.

>>15430763
There is for Selen and formerly Rosemi. Her highest numbers are whenever holos aren't streaming and she gets mid tier NijiEN numbers when they are. The ones who are the least affected amongst the girls are Elira, Pomu and Nina.

Not bait, actually asking.
Why do HoloEN fans come into every NijisanjiEN and compare numbers? Isn't it generally accepted that Niji is smaller in the west audience stop the smaller number is expected? What is there to prove?

>>15430763
There is a little bit, but it's in the hundreds of viewers at most. Nijis will typically lose 400-800 if a big Holo event starts while they're streaming. As far as the other way goes it's just too hard to tell, the number of people leaving for a Niji stream would be almost imperceptible vs normal viewer churn in a Holo stream.

>>15430763
It's just a fact that Holo en fucking sucks at tee tee stuff especially Counsil even though it's what makes holo jp special in the vtuber industry. Vtuber fans eventually want to see casual romance and character developments. Niji en has strengthened it.

ngl I glanced past this thread in the catalog and I read the "SEE PERKS" in OP as "SEE PENIS"

>>15431180
Niji EN actually has less shipping fags than Holo EN, especially since it's clear most of the girls are straight.

>>15431239
Makes sense. They don't really pander to that audience and they all are just kind of a friend group you want to see their regular interactions on.

NijiEN is a slice of life anime that's designed for just normal folks who just wanna be entertained while HoloEN is a Kirara/CGDCT show.

>>15433164
>NijiEN is a slice of life anime that's designed for just normal folks who just wanna be entertained while HoloEN is a Kirara/CGDCT show.
This is the most apt comparison I have ever read

>>15433164
Yeah, I can see it honestly. Explains why /u/fags are so fucking obnoxious

>>15433164
>NijiEN is a slice of life anime that's designed for just normal folks who just wanna be entertained while HoloEN is a Kirara/CGDCT show.
And the latter is uniformly better.

>>15433164
That's a very good comparison. I like this, I guess this is why I prefer NijiEN then

>>15433164
That explains why I prefer NijiEN. They actually seem humane, unlike holos which are just products.

>>15433581
Ume-mama when?

>>15433164
Based and true, /u/fags are cancer.

>>15430674
I really wonder if I'm the only one who watches NijiEN who never really saw HoloEN. Yeah sure I enjoyed Ina's Hollow Knight playthrough and... that's it. Risu and Chammers were better to watch before NijiEN became a thing, but now? It's like I lost all interest in Hololive in general, but I'd still watch smaller corpos, indies or even Vshojo. No idea if anyone else feels the same

>>15433857
I watched Myth briefly before just returning to Nijisanji, HoloJP and sometimes watching Stars. I never truly got the hype and thought they were alright I guess. I just thought the JP side had more interesting things happening at the time I guess? Now I watch NijiEN on a daily basis since they're the most convenient streaming times for me now that I have a job

>>15433857
No, you are a unique and special flower, that's why I subscrube to your blog.

>>15433857
>I really wonder if I'm the only one who watches NijiEN who never really saw HoloEN.
You're not. Before NijiEN all I've watched was NijiJP and Mint+a bunch of Hanamori.

>>15433433
>>15433567
>>15433633
>>15433687
>>15433794
Stop samefagging Nijinigger

>>15434176
Seethe

>>15434168
never really watched NijiJP, but yeah Maido Minto is my sole reason to follow NijiEN and now I realized that the others are great as well

>>15430763
>There is no fluctuation when an Holo EN or Niji EN streams at the same time.
A couple of months ago when HoloEN had its big Among Us collab, Selen lost around 2k viewers when it started. Although Pomu who was also streaming at the same time not only did not lose viewers but gained some while the HoloEN collab was going. So some parts of NijiEN fanbases are definitely full of holofans.

>>15434970
>Selenniggers are also holobronies
I'm not surprised

>>15434970
from my experience--Selen, Pomu, Rosemi, and Finana have significant Hololive overlap, the others don't

Hada's laugh is so precious...

>>15436391
>Selen
Still does yeah
>Pomu
Not since her hiatus when she lost most, if not all of them. Her viewer numbers in September were Petra-tier but she slowly regained her position of being Elira-tier since then
>Rosemi
Ever since her LoL collab with male streamers they fucked off
>Finana
Constant Honkai spam scared them off, only gachafags care about her now.

>>15430949
They probably pick fights with Holo JP fans and get brow beaten by JP numbers so they let it out on Niji EN as an easy target. That's about all they can do now. I don't know if Holo EN is inclining, stagnating, or on the decline, but most other corpos have seen a bit of a viewer incline over the past two to three months so they can't say they are dead in the water or they simply don't make money. So all they have is big numbers with CCV, subs, and VOD views.

>>15436558
Pomu isn't Elira tier. If you see a multi POV collab Elira will always have a few hundred more viewers than Pomu. I don't know what the fuck Finana is trying to do, it's like she's trying to kill her channel with gacha spam and sparse intervals for zatsudan.

>>15430949
Number general fags. People shitpost using Nijisanji in there so Holofans HAVE to prove them wrong, even when no one is talking to them, they take their autism to generals

>>15437698
Looking at the past month or so, it's been 50:50. Terraria collab was Pomu over Elira, Minecraft collab was Elira over Pomu (although Pomu didn't have the collab on her schedule, didn't create a waiting room until after the collab had started, and tweeted about the collab late).
But still, being within 100-200 viewers when there is a big 35k sub difference between the two is still a good showing.

>>15437698
>Pomu isn't Elira tier. If you see a multi POV collab Elira will always have a few hundred more viewers than Pomu.
That's not true though? Pomu had higher CCV during Terraria collab for example.

>>15429873
from twitter, they're getting the teenage girls that watch minecraft rp youtubers audience

>>15437455
Non Anon is really cute and even tough I like her content, you can unironically see her drug problems on stream and that's pretty sad.
>>15437698
Pomu is roughly on the same level in terms of CCV, but yeah, like 100, 200 or so shy of her. However, Pomu totally mogs all of Lazulight in terms of SC. Finana really messed up both in CCV and SC, that's obvious

>>15438491
I didn't see that. Elira was about 200 viewers higher than Pomu being at 1.7k. Pomu is my favorite in Niji EN, but I won't say she is on the same level as Elira CCV wise. Not to say Pomu isn't growing, she is getting more viewers than she was months ago.

I don't understand why Pomu's sub growth is catatonic when her views are fine, is it an algorithm issue or lack of clippers?

>>15446666
She's not very memeable so I guess clippers just don't really care about her.

The other thing is, because she has an actual powerlevel and often leans into a rather sincere-feeling kind of streaming atmosphere, the average stupid kid tuning in both is way in over his head trying to understand what she's talking about and also just wants instant "DO SOMETHING FUNNY" entertainment instead of a "hang with a comfy friend" kind of stream.

Regardless the people who do realize that she's several cuts above the usual caliber of EN tuber definitely make sure she knows it as she holds good views and phenomenal SCs for the sub count. It's very similar to the Ina effect actually in that the lazy tako was never one of the big top-dog ENs but her viewerbase is extremely stable and loyal, beyond basically any other Myths at this point, only Pomu makes much more money than Ina last I checked.

>>15446026
drug??

>>15447544
that girl in the .gif, that's Non Anon. I saw her 16hr Crazy Frog endurance stream. At some point, she talked about taking drugs and how she got repelled by some because those were too soft for her

>>15446026
Finana is a definite 'reap what you sow' kind of thing. I mean she got off on the wrong foot even pre-debut with the braap tweet, in terms of filtering out segments of audience. Basically whoever likes her still really-really likes her, but she's long lost the interest of a lot of randoms who normally just kind of float around Holo/Niji because of the cumulative effects of her grossness. She's slightly Matsuri-like in a sense.

>>15446594
But, it's still hard to compare

>>15439462
Yeah there is a surprising amount of attention given to them, but it's definitely not from here. There's interest in them here too for sure but they didn't sweep the board off its feet. It doesn't really look like what you're seeing on the streams, where they straight up talk crassky at them like horny tumblr/tiktok etc type girls, that's very dissimilar to how /vt/ talks about them.

>>15446026
>Finana really messed up both in CCV and SC, that's obvious
She fucked up with doing gacha all the time, told her own gachkois to fuck off indirectly, and IPN causing shit in her chat. She brought it on herself and I wouldn't be surprised if she tries to apply for Hololive again at this rate.

>>15447737
Anon, trust me you don't know the half of it. Did you catch her 24 hour Christmas endurance stream by any chance? At one moment she thought she got fired by Prism mid stream just by the level of apsurdity it reached. She's definitely not for everyone but I swear I'll follow that bunny to the grave.

>>15448320
>Did you catch her 24 hour Christmas endurance stream by any chance?
not entirely. tuned in and out again and again since 24 hours were simply too much for me.

>>15447737
>>15448320
I don't find it hard to believe she'd try drugs, but how can you visibly see drug problems during her streams?

>>15448592
I usually don't post too much about what she says in streams on 4chin since I'm paranoid of Prism menagement bonking her because of my posts but if you're interested in seeing how degenerate your average /d/ poster is I'd recommend you catch her when she's live next time.

>>15448895
I've seen her. all she talks about is sex and cocks and degen stuff, but I don't see how that means she's on drugs constantly or something.

>>15449488
I'm not going to give you rrats about my oshi, anon. Sorry.

>>15449643
You already fucking did by saying she has drug problems and refusing to explain. No one but your general on this board watches her and you freely posted this in a Nijisanji bait thread, so have fun letting it paint her image to anons outside your 5 view circle
Or, elaborate and clear it up

>>15449643
I like watching her too, she's fun. Even if she lays on the degen a bit too hard for me sometimes.

>>15449716
I'm NTA, anon.

>>15447771
Rewording a bit but
>Finana is Matsuri-lite
This makes a scary amount of sense. A bit more mentally stable tho.

>>15430949
>why are people in this numberfagging thread discussing numbers

>>15437455
I noticed this too. All the small corpos are growing and getting surprisingly decent numbers now and reaching the lower end of NijiEN. Holocouncil failed to bring any new audience to HoloEn and it seems all they did was just split the existing fanbase. Overall HoloEN seems to have slightly declined as people are just moving onto something else since HoloEN's massive numbers is thanks to being a fad a year go.

Right now I'm seeing Small corpos, NijiEN and indies all doing better and growing and they're not taking any of their audience from HoloEn since despite big events happening there isnt much of a drop in viewers compared to a few months ago. In other words, everyone seems to be carving out their own audiences everywhere except for Hololive which has already reached max saturation since a year ago and has no more space to grow since they arent really innovating or trying anything new in the vtuber space.

>>15452083
Not only are they gaining new and untapped audiences, they are also taking away from Hololive's existing audience who have been bored of their closed off nature and adherence to the "seiso idol" route.

Hololive is just crashing and burning at this point while everyone else is beating them to the punch. I wouldn't be surprised if the next batch of Holotalents (if there ever will be one) will be more open to male interaction and peepee poopoo jokes because they know the idol shtick doesn't work anymore

>>15446594
They're very similar, even Finana isn't that far off. Lazulight is a very even wave overall.

>>15446666
Everyone in Nijisanji EN is starting to stall out once they pass 200k, that seems to be the cap for them. Pomu's long break cheated her out of some of that growth permanently, so even if she now grows at the same rate as the other two she'll always have that gap.

>>15452173
We'll just have to see if the recruitment process for Hololive would be smarter this time around because picking 5 people for their talents instead of entertainment skills like with Council will backfire on them again at this rate. With their obsession over big numbers as a requirement to join and their heavy restrictions means that only the desperate content creators who cant monetize well that are lucky with algorithm to get big numbers are the ones likely to be chosen again if nothing changes.

>>15452083
Are there any small EN corpos that can go over 500 on youtube, or barring that, on twitch at least?

>>15452260
I'd rather have a loyal (and rich) audience of 200k that would actually watch my streams and buy my merch compared to having 3.7mil deadsubs lmao

>>15452310
Vshojo

>>15452310
Nene from Kawaii's getting those numbers now.
Kaneko Lumi Cyberlive got 400-500 a few days ago since her return too
Miori celeste of Tsunderia gets high numbers from her music videos too

The three of them are probably the most omega stacy vtubers around so that's what they all have in common really.

>>15452285
They went for 2 Gura-like talents, history of success with uploaded content but not so much in livestreaming. Those are the two most successful in Council, despite one being in school and one having an aversion to streaming.

The next was a reasonably successful ASMR streamer. Everyone wanted that, and got it, but there's a limit on the demand for ASMR with the western audience it seems.

Bae had no "big numbers" and there were 100 other small vtubers that could have matched her resume.

Sana didn't even stream and we all know why she got hired, and it wasn't for her numbers.

>>15429873
Pomu retweeted someone who translated the descriptions waves 1-3 into Japanese for people who were introduced to NijiEN through Luxiem…
https://twitter.com/PomuRainpuff/status/1474270343548309507

>>15452334
I honestly got shocked at Gura's earnings

>>15452310
I think that someone from tsunderia hit 500 on twitch. Miori and Nene are around 300 and I think those two are the biggest small corpos on youtube. Lumi's is also getting big numbers (relatively of course) on twitch.

>>15452363
I mean like PRISM, Tsunderia, Phase Connect, Kawaii, MyHoloTV ect. Everyone in Vshoujo was already doing over that before they even joined, except Him and Froot. I know there's indies like Haruka, Vienna (technically in a company) Snuffy, girl_dm, Lumi ect that do over that but they're not in any of the startup companies.

>>15452260
Pomu's sub count doesn't grow at the same rate, she grows slower, but her viewership, superchats, and VOD views still meet or exceed the other two who have 30k+ more subs.

>>15452451
That's why no one gives a shit about Gura's subs anymore when any of the NijiEN girls earn more than Gura any day of the week

>>15452334
I'd rather have whatever gets me the most money. If I get $100,000 from one dude that really likes me or $101,000 from 16M subs I'd take the $101,000.

>>15452427
Shiki is also getting big numbers on music videos, probably bigger than Miori.

>>15452310
This Lumi usually gets over 1k
https://www.twitch.tv/lumituber
Finnish chuuba

>>15452427
Didn't realize who Nene was until I looked her up. I get a lot of clips of her recommended to me. I was just assuming she was some twitch indie not a small corpo. Is her thing mostly lewd baiting?

>>15452533
Lumi isn't a corpo though. Unless Merryweather has his own corpo

>>15452597
Yeah she plays heavily into GFE and clickbait

>>15452533
Yeah I'm subbed to her, not that I watch twitch much, but I do like her. VA is cute too. Kiara follows her so maybe they'll do a collab sometime.

>>15452505
What the fuck is she doing wrong? She should do what lower tier NijiJPs do and start alluding to wanting to buy things and watch those wallets open.

>>15452482
Prism has Shiki who collabs with NijiEN now. Luto who is also very skilled and is their most popular member.

Tsunderia has Miori and Yuuna, both draw in a big crowd on youtube and twitch

Phase connect has Tenma who used her OTV connections to give her high CCV on twitch as well as Pippa "the alex jones of vtubers" who keeps getting namedropped by the conservative media like Rekieta's law who has 200-300 CCV on youtube.

Kawaii has Nene who is absolutely carrying the company with the highest CCV I've seen on youtube so far in a small corpo on youtube but their gen 2 isnt a slouch either with Neena and Lua being standouts.

MyholoTV is doing okay with their new gen, Liliana is still a big name in the SEA market.

Cyberlive has Kaneko Lumi who's getting high CCV on twitch and being friendly with the biggest streamers on twitch so her numbers are still growing fast. Their gen 2 is also highly talented too with Emma carrying them since she's tapping into the SEA market with her unique voice and design.

>>15452597
Nene's smart and basically said that she's only doing clickbait because she knows that youtube algorithm is on her good side at the moment and she's trying her best to make videos people will click on in order to grow her and her company.

>>15452310
Vienna (cloud9) gets between 1 and 2k viewers

>>15452597
a week or two ago, I couldn't have told you who Nene was, now she's everywhere.
she's somewhat of an airhead, but yeah, she's lewd baiting much and surprisingly skilled in making shorts.
the 1st thing I saw of her was basically her clipping herself

>>15447737
i thought that was polka

>>15452505
no one gives a shit for her subs since everyone knows since unrivaled in that regard and people focus on other shit to cope, it'll take literal years for other people to get anywhere near her

>>15452698
Can't fix the problem if you're the problem. Gura is just boring to watch plain and simple.

Why would I SC a lazy whore who cancels streams every other day when I can give it to someone actually entertaining and is willing to actually stream

>>15452605
Merryweather's an art group. Lumi's a vtuber that works under him that he hired as a cosplayer to sell his comics.

So kinda counts I suppose.

Nene and Miori both tried their hardest to aggressively connect to Mori, deadbeat thread is shilling their shit all the time
Nene goes as far to sing the PL songs in karaoke and Miori got a massive boost when Mori responded to her Red cover

>>15452794
I thought she has good live views.

>>15452698
Pedos and kids are poor I guess

>>15452770
Gura has just been the 1st flavour of the day fad in the West and it shows. The next Kizuna Ai, sitting on a bunch of dead subs. Yeah sure nobody will come close to that sub count, but her viewership and donos are really low for that number. I guess people just moved on to stuff that's more entertaining - NijiEN, Prism, Kawaii, etc etc

>>15452877
The point of live viewers is to have as many people willing to give you the $$$

What's the point in having 20k viewers only give you $500 when I could have 500 viewers give me $20k

>>15452698
Very few ENs really care about SCs, it's just not their primary income source as streamers, although people like Mori and Kiara make a nice chunk of change off it. Gura's still made almost 900k only half-ass interacting with SCs, sure she could make more but she's lazy and would rather do other stuff with her time.

>>15452875
Funnily enough I believe Shiki also featured in Mori's remix content in her past life and she covered her song once too. Interesting how that works.

>>15452717
Any of these likely candidates for Holo EN 3? Other than obviously Pippa.

>>15452875
Funny thing is she covered Blackout and got more support and shoutouts from NijiEN, and got probably an even bigger boost than when she covered Red.
Just goes to show how closed off HoloEN is from the rest of the ENVtuber community

>>15452877
she does, but go try watching a few NijiEN streams, some of them arent bad but sometimes they spend the whole time moneybaiting as well and its quite effective.

>>15452926
Wait how much does Gura earn a stream? I thought she got good superchats.

>>15448066
>told her own gachkois to fuck off indirectly
Wait wat

>>15452939
Mori is becoming one of the center pieces of vtubing because unlike other holoEN (bar Kiara) she actually gives a shit for networking and is fighting the management over isolating them from the scene

>>15453006
Don'rmt have the numbers with me rn but I kmow she earns less than Millie, Elira, Selen and Pomu

>>15452990
nah, the single shoutout from Red tripled her channel growth, it was noted in the number thread when people were wondering what the fuck happened

>>15452986
No? Cover almost always goes after indies.

>>15430674
Yeah I'm sure HoloEN fans love watching males

>>15452986
I highly doubt we're gonna see any of the biggest names from small corpos in Hololive. They're at the point where they're earning very well and having the freedom to do what they want. Hololive might be able to poach the smaller ones though like what happened with Rosemi.

>>15452995
I am a NijiENfag I know they bait supas like crazy sometimes and I respect it.

>>15433164
>NijiEN is a slice of life anime that's designed for just normal folks who just wanna be entertained while HoloEN is a Kirara/CGDCT show.
No it's not
They're both pretty much the same except HoloEN has actual events and NijiEN has males

>>15453013
...and just by pure chance, she now mogs every other HoloEN hard in SCs and CCV.
>>15453033
Nina was lately contesting Pomu for the most SC earnings. So yeah Nina instead of Millie - or Nina and Millie idk

>>15452995
SC baiting is fun when you're really invested in the vtuber and want to see them do well and get that money for themselves. When I watch Pomu do it I enjoy seeing her SCs numbers go up. But when you just want to have fun and watch an entertaining stream it's a fucking slog. When say, Mori does it, it's just like...get on with it.

>>15453045
>Holofaggot thinks everyhing revolves around them
Sure faggot, whatever makes you sleep better at night

>>15453033
I find that hard to believe.

>>15453033
>>15453007
The actual numbers seem to tell me that gura has 103 videos with USD3k+ in SC while Pomu has... 8.

>>15429047
Nijis consider 5k good for a 5 man collab? Kinda sad desu

>>15453170
He means in SCs, not overall revenue of course.

>>15453080
No small corpos are "earning very well", even NijiEN still has to keep their day jobs

>>15453176
>looking at collective earnings instead of daily earnings
>despite knowing full well Myth debut at least 6 months before Lazulight
Gtfo faggot. Adults are talking here

>>15453133
She is? I'm so happy for my Mori!

>>15453191
5k is really good when the base stream average is like 1700 for Elira.

>>15453205
They're only keeping their day jobs for insurance because of America's bullshit policies
Pomu just went part-time.

>>15453205
A lot of Niji EN were neets and don't have dayjobs. Pomu just quit hers. I think Rosemi might be the only one still confirmed to be working.

>>15453262
They're keeping their day jobs because they dont make enough as a vtuber to go full-time
Pomu wanted to go full-time but then she stopped inclining

>>15453244
Also as far as I know, Mori has the highest sub growth of any HoloEN at this stage

>>15453205
Every small corpo has their oil barons and Cyberlive has a 20% take which still equals out a very good number just for a single day of streaming.

>>15453322
Last 30 days Gura = 80k, Mori 50k, Kronii 45k

>>15453285
Thread reader. You're embarrassing yourself since your reading comprehension isn't that great to begin with.

>>15453376
Lumi doesnt get a 2000 dollar donation every day

>>15429047
In reality is Nina buff.

>>15453165
>can't support statement with anything notable
>resort to personal attack
and a cup of cope to you, my friend

>>15453392
I watched Pomus streams, she had the intent of quitting for good, and the incline she was on it looked like she could
then HoloEN2 came out and then NijiEN2 and 3 and suddenly things weren't looking so good for them anymore

>>15453285
retard
pomu just quit her job a week ago

>>15453471
Did she completely quit?

>>15453381
Gura is cunny. It's really hard to beat cunny.

>>15453451
You do know she quit her day job, right?

>>15453222
>adults are talking here
lol.
anyway checking against only the last 4 months says 2 for Pomu vs 11 for Gura. dunno what you're smoking but you're definitely too young for it.

>>15453482
she did a 16 hours stream on a weekday anon, you tell me

>>15453482
Yes.
>wanted to quit due to earning a lot of money from "online seminars" but has a surgery coming up
>get surgery and is recovering
>told boss she's working part time because she wants to keep health insurance for post surgery care
>boss says okay
>gives her overtime work so that she works just as much as full time but getting paid less
>Pomu ragequits job recently
>is far happier now

>>15453376
>oil barons for small corpos
Lies. Nia is getting like buck fifty per stream.

>>15453532
Well it is the holiday season, but if she said she actually quit her job then good for her

elira is a cute

>>15453554
Nia's not the stacy of her company, it's gotta be Luto, Rita or Yura.

>>15453552
do you know which stream did she talk about the ragequit on?

>>15453632
It was around this stream if I last remember. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xo6j2kTTFNc

Socialism might not be the greatest form of government but it sure beats not having universal health care. American health insurance sounds like a nightmare.

>>15453554
Nia is standout in Prism for being the worst earner though. Iku regularly gets $1000 donations, Luto gets $5k drops, meme akasupas get dropped all the time on Shiki, Pina recently just got $3k in her workout stream

>>15453205
Iku and Shiki make enough to stream full time, and so does Luto but she chooses not to make streaming her dayjob

>>15454004
>Nia is standout in Prism for being the worst earner though
I wish i could drop $1000 donations on the regular

>>15453808
Neck yourself commie.

>>15452310
Crunchyroll Hime.

>>15452173
I think their closed off nature is the thing that stings the most. Once people get a taste outside of Holo and see how much more freeform and how other vtubers interact with one another from indies to other corpos they might have a bad taste in their mouth from not being part of the larger community.

>>15452475
Yeah I have seen Yuuna hit 500 on Twitch.

>>15453125
Shitposting aside Holo EN have people with different talents that often had little experience with streaming and didn't know each other previously so they had to develop both their skills and relationships on stream while we watched, niji EN played it safe in comparison, they recruited solid streamers largely from the same circle which guaranteed they will be fine for the role but in the long run seem to lack some punch to make them stand out more, niji's solution for this problem was of course to introduce more chuubas asap as expected of Anycolor.

>>15429047
I would sooner shoot myself than give Nina a single view, she's a despicable human

>>15460109
Being closed off is fine when youre as big as HoloJP but HoloEN is not that big and cross branch collabs only do so much.

Superchats arent the only holo income. Based off what amelia said yesterday she has a pretty beefy members count likely. Probably in the ballpark of 10k thats insanely stable income

>>15433164
Maybe.
I like regular streamers but not NijiEN since that's already covered by regular streamers, so the persona is adding nothing.
I like HoloEN but not CGDCT anime, because the "cute things" are usually boring and only the interactive personality of a vtuber can make doing mundane things fun.

>>15460784
Both Niji and Holo recruit people who were streamers prior, and also preferably have some talent like singing
People saying their content is different sound like they don't watch either of them, they really are very similar, except Niji lacks all the big events and collabs and things
They can't even give them more than one fucking expression on their model

>>15429047
It wasn't even a good collab
Women have holobrony levels of mindless brand loyalty

>>15429047
Nina often appears on both my favorites, Elira and Rosemi's streams even outside collabs, which already made me skip streams and now with Nijiguys also thrown into the mix there are even more streams for me to skip

Maybe this is how I get filtered from NijiEN in general, or maybe it will all just blow over once things calm down. To be clear, I don't give a shit about unicorn stuff and I have no ill will towards Nina or gen4. I wish them all the best of luck, I just don't like hearing male voices, Nina included, while watching vtuber content. Its simply not the content I subscribed/membered for

>>15462327
The males are going to make the girls decline even more, may not happen overnight, the more people the hire the worse it's going to be for each of their individual streamers

>>15462017
Not all holos were streamers before tho.

>>15458519
our ambulances cost over 2k

>>15452926
>What's the point in having 20k viewers
Sponsorships.

>>15462017
I mean whole niji EN felt more similar to Holo EN than the JP branch before male wave debuted but it seems like they prioritized streaming experience over other talents for the most part and they all wanted Holo EN type of success (not a norm for niji JP where there are both many stream newbies and part-timers). In Holo EN only Ame had a proper streaming/Vtubing experience while Gura was a bit of a natural talent and Kiara was rusty after like 10 years.

>>15463147
Only Subaru AFAIK. The rest were.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Z2WmIlEY4

>>15463504
Mel gets sponsorships despite only getting 1k CCV
Heck, literal 2 views on Twitch get sponsorships

>>15430949
>HoloEN fans
>ever going outside of hlgg
>ever knowing other vtubers exist