/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>15002070
General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>>15002070
What happened to the last one?

Yesterday's views

Predictions?

9.5k for niji EN
with 8 streamers
2 debut buffs
and first FNAF: SB

cant tell if its good or not. Those reimu,pomu,petra numbers are really low

>>15002247
and SCs

>>15002259
15k

>>15001858
My oshi is low tier holo and I'm proud of her.

>>15002259
17k

>>15002259
At the very least she should mogged the entirety of nijiEN.

>>15002275
>8
What the fuck are they thinking?!?

>>15002275
> really low
> 500 viewers with 8 overlap streams while two others are in the same collab
you guys are retarded.
>>15002366
it's much worse in JP with 20 overlaps and they do fine.

>>15001496
Shorts tend to get viral pretty easily since people are more likely to watch them since they don't need as much time.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKW5cdR5gsUPRkm_bXQUvCg/videos
For example, another channel that I found from the list (はうはる) only has 547k subscribers, and the latest video views range from under 100k to a few hundred thousand, but if you sort by most watched, there's a lot of shorts with 2 million+ views. The subs are growing steadily at about 1-2k per day, but it would likely be faster for channels that uploaded only shorts.

>>15002411
> numbers are low
> "This is fine."

>>15002275
Too many people on at once. Reimu's number is embarrassingly low though, especially since she's streaming with the guy she gets shipped with. I guarantee you if Bae was collabing with Roberu there would be a lot of rubberneckers just to see what happened.

>>15002203
Reached Page 10 and got bumped off.

>>15002411
JP Niji also has like 10X the market cap vs EN.

>>15002488
It shows how many people see Reimu as a priority to watch live.
Not that many.

>>15002495
At 500? That's really sad.

>>15002411
yes it is low
on the good side it is now 11.7k but not sure if the boys debut buff will last long enough to keep it next weeks

>>15002584
Oddly enough, there's not that many schizos on tonight for whatever reason.
Thread basically died once the guys nosedived on their 2nd (3rd?) stream.

>>15002259
15k alone
17k if any council hops in
20k if Gura hops in

>>15002459
>>15002594
Petra goes between 500 and 1k, depends on how much overlap there is. Reimu is playing a debuff game mainly in japanese, so ofc she will get less.

>>15002656
12k if Sana joins

>>15002656
actually, now that I look at it. take 3k out of everything, Mori and Sana are streaming

>>15002765
Sana and Mori are shiny hunting on pokemon

>>15002259
Wow, shocking. Kronii had the perfect excuse not to stream today since IRyS had to bail but she decided to whip something up and stream anyway. It seems council is getting less lazy and that would explain their incline lately.

So did anyone tune in to Mizkif? Did he mention any other vtubers other than VShojo?

>>15003109
Wrong thread

>>15003313
It's still numbers. An indirect mention of Hololive or Nijisanji is still a minor boost.

>>15002292
Rushia back on top, finally

Waiting room ready for the first Laplus collab

https://youtu.be/0QbqMUQDuEo

>>15003619
Has it been 30 days?

>>15003696
Now they shortened the collab ban. probably realized things started dragging out a bit much after 2-3 weeks.

>>15003619
How many minutes into the Collab before Towa pulls the senpai card?

>>15002299
Based Rosetai

>>15002652
They're farming (you)s in threads like this one no doubt
>>14981331

>>15002259
I predict 12-15k.

>>15003619
fuck i hate towa

>>15002299
Based chocomate

>>15002411
Just think how many overlaps Mori had for her costume reveal and she was still so fucking strong.

>>15002299
Sana?

>>15003813
Its fair, especially since they went HARD on the streams and so people were able to decide if they wanted to stick with them or not much quicker.

>>15004174
Yes, Sana

>>15004167
>EN branch banned from streaming during Ayame concert or Pekora costume reveal
>Half of HoloJP streams over Moris costume reveal
EN kind of gets treated like shit, huh

>>15003813
Since it looks like JP management looked at what their EN counterparts did wrong with Council debut and did something different, maybe they saw EN shortening the ban for IRyS and allowing Gura to circumvent it with Mumei and Bae then decided to improve on it.

>>15004181
Also Lui needs a lifeline before she turns into Luna 2.0. Letting her find some reliable collab partners in the other gens or even flexing her English with the ENs/IDs might help.

>>15003619
>first nongen collab is a debuff
Lapu-dono...

>>15004181
Management probably wanted Gen 6 to stop tryharding so much and mogging the other JP members so they lifted the ban

>>15004351
Lui will fit in well with Botan and Mio I think

>>15004274
nah theyre probably allowed to overlap since ID does it all the time, they just dont have the balls to do it unlike the IDs

>>15003619
>not Apex
>not Valorant

>>15004274

>banned

Morelike the girls didn't want to overlap. Well, some of them. Bae already streamed over Korone 3D and someone else from JP too. ID girls also stream over JP events all the time

come again, nijiEN numbers were what?

>>15004453
Anon....
Only Sana, Bae and Mori could overlap during JP hours reliably anyways.
Bae is too respectful of her JP senpai to pull it.
Sana is...sana.
Mori is a 50/50, depends on exactly what she's streaming I think? She'd probably end more likely than not now though, she seems to have finally bought into the box.

>>15004336
>Gura to circumvent it with Mumei and Bae
Gen 4 did that first, newfag

>>15004566
Sana...

>>15004603
At least she got more than Ollie.

>>15004566
Reimu...

>>15004671
>comparing to ID
this is sad cope, EN against EN's nigger

>>15002488
>streaming with the guy she gets shipped with
You mean she's shipping herself with him? Since their collabs don't really get higher number at all.

>>15004566
sana and ollie are honorary niji

>>15004827
Mori mogged if you total up all of them together

>>15004937
Reimu/Elira/Pomu/Petra = 5,245
Mori = 6,603

>>15004453
They're allowed to they just don't want the backlash, either from their own fans who watch the JPs or from actual Japanese fans.

>>15004566
I'm expecting Mysta to be more stable since his timeslot doesn't really overlap with others. Oh and Vox at the top again.

Sana's voice is probably the hardest filter to majority. I had a few friends listen to her talk and they find her voice unappealing or sometimes hard to grasp what she is talking. It is not gonna work for people who don't understand australian accent.

Reimu set a new record low for NijiEN with this stream.

>>15005074
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKo-vTme_Pg
>11pm JST again
he knows where the numbers at

>>15005074
Luca is going to be the Reimu of Luxiem

More GamePass sponsor

https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1473133625843458052?s=21

How long before one NijiEN starts a drama about the guys stealing their views?

>>15005101
I can understand her she's just unpleasant to listen to. I don't even like when she's in collabs.

>>15005074
>Best design of nijien is the lowest

>>15005334
Reimu

Reimu... please do more Spanish streams. It's your only way to incline. What the fuck are you thinking doing a Jap stream with some Korean fag at this time?

>>15005327

>>15005074
After debut 2.0 I want to see their gaming numbers

>>15005327
More eh? Guess they really liked what they got out of it last time.

>>15005391
More like Pomu because she was the one complaining before

>>15005438
>Miko on Forza Horizon 5
This could be one of the last great streams of 2021

>>15005450
Ultimately depends on how well the girls are able to hold on to their audience. If the dudes are more entertaining/capable...

>Mizkf + Vshojo + Sodapoppin collab: 72,388 peak viewers
Sounds like today will be an OTK victory

>halo infinite

I was hoping halo infinite to be the next hit game after apex since it is the newest game that feels the closest to apex in ttk and basic movement.

>>15004603
Needs to graduate fast.

>>15005607
It doesn't really have enough content on the multiplayer side, though what is there is golden.

>>15004730
Ollie has way more subscribers than Sana, so it's still something to do better than her at least.

>>15005438
isn't ori like a super debuff game

>>15005351
Vox is at the top though?

>>15005526
I don't play Forza, is it like Gran Turismo where you can't even crash/damage the cars?

>>15005438
Sony japan is a fucking idiot at this point. Sure they invited festival and towa on their apex tourney but now pretty much most advertisers gone with hololive.

>>15005696
I mean, anything Flare plays other than Minecraft is a debuff game.

>>15005102
Stop bullying Reimu, you guys know she reads this thread.

>>15005450
When did Pomu complain about that before?

>>15005769

Pokemon tho

>>15005800
Shiny hunting no?
She's basically got a weaker version of Fubuki's shiny autism buff.

>>15005719
Sony invested millions of dollars into Ichikara. They're blowing millions of dollars more with their own shitty Vtuber initiatives. How fucking simple it could have been for them to just team up with the global #1 instead.

>>15005844

Yeah but she still getting good numbers so it counts

>>15005604
>Mizkf
If Mizkif didn't invite midget like vshoshit he would hit 100k easily.
He's fans don't like weebs shit

>>15005857
>it's another "/v/tard doesn't know the difference between SIE and SME" episode

>>15005719
SIE hates the Japanese market in the first place and would rather not touch it with a 10 foot pole

>>15005341
I watched her for the first time in that minecraft collab yesterday and she was be far the most pleasant voice of them all to me. I was surprised.

>>15005783
The clip was being spread on bait threads for a while.
Basically she personally disagrees with how Nijisanji does rapid fire waves but that she has no say in the matter so her opinion doesn't really mean much.

>>15005844

>She's basically got a weaker version of Fubuki's shiny autism buff.

Not like anyone on Holo could replicate what FBK is doing now with shiny hunting. She is special when it comes to these autistic endurances

Ok numbercunts explain something to me.
Gura by herself can get 20k, Kronii can do the same(game dependent)

Going off these 2, why does a collab with BOTH OF THEM, only draw 20k to 25k at best? Shouldn't the number be much higher?

>>15005888
True.
>>15005930
Kek. To be fair to most people, when they hear "Sony", they don't usually differentiate the different branches, for better or worse. Its only those who bother to pay any attention to industry shit that realize how segmented Sony's different branches are.

Ok, serious question numberfags. Can kronii get 20k in minecraft tonight??? All that talent wasted on indie games and lazyness.

>>15006047
We know that single-channel collab numbers are kind of fucked by Susan, although to what degree who knows

>>15005715
Motosport is simulation like Gran Turismo. Horizon is more arcade but not on Burnout level but easy to play nonetheless.
And Horizon 5 is on Mexico so expect one of the best places for a racing game.

>>15006047
If you're talking about that Smash collab, its because holy cow is Gura bad at smash. There's also the fact that you need to consider there's fanbase overlap and that some people only show up if that chubba is LIVE on their channel since they might not be subbed to everyone. After all, there are casual viewers.

>>15006047
Chumbuds are especially notorious for never watching anything not on Gura's channel

>>15006104
12k-15k if someone shows up might be higher.

>>15006149
Im mainly talking about the christmas collab.
Shouldn't that be an easy 80k stream?

>>15006047
Some of the people who watch Kronii and some of the people who watch Gura are the same people. I solved the mystery for you.

>>15005930
I wasn't talking about the subsidiaries you fucking retard. I was talking about the parent company.

>Couldn't beat Sana playing a debuff game #7
I think Pomu should graduate
What do you guys think?

>>15006289
I think you should graduate.

>>15006284
>he's doubling down

>>15006141
So can you or can you not have awesome crashes and see the car become a total wreck? That will determine if I check out that stream (and the game in general).

>>15006216
Gura has a very large contingent of viewers who are subbed ONLY to her, and their awareness of Hololive extends to maybe Ame and whoever shows up in Gura clips.
It's annoying, but it is what it is. If no Gura POV, numbers are going to be worse in these multi-POV collabs. Even worse for numbers, it was fucking Kiara and Sana as the other 2 POVs, and their channels are straight up debuffs to numbers and it takes some phenomenal buffs to overcome it (Gura support for Outlast collab managing to pull 20k for example).

>>15006289

>>15006441
It's over...

>>15006341
Nah. Is open world so you could find some great crashes if Miko goes chaotic.

>>15006441
Why can't Mori just stream in near JP primetime? She can definitely get much more than that

>>15006284
Why the fuck would the Parent company worry about the day-to-day shit of the subsidiaries?
Like unless they horribly fuck up they're more worried about big picture shit, and lets be honest, chubbas are very minor relative to everything else they deal with.

>>15006531
She's doing a 12 hour stream.

>>15006531
She's planning on going for hours Anon. Like, 12 hours if she's supremely unlucky.

In 3 years time, when vtuber is truly dead in the West, and only 10 people active on this borad, what so you think the baits will be?

>>15006289
>>15006441
>Imaging your nijien male debut 2.0 lost to a Sana Pokemon

>>15006441
She is reading superchat right bros?

>>15006323
a hoshityomi. what a surprise

>>15006592
Jp baits obviously since the EOPs would have fucked off.

>>15006531
These are the hours in which she can stream longer than usual

>>15006617
dont watch nijis, can nijikeks explain whats wrong with this one

>>15006617
R-reimu...

Someone save this girl.

>>15006539
Sony is so big that the president probably doesn't even know he has a vtuber group.
>>15006617
Don't make me bad anon. Those low numbers make me feel bad for her.

>Reimu streaming
>Thread has less schizos than usual.

Reimu is the schizo confirmed.

It would be funny if we see a Niji girl jumps shit to Holo and gets 8-10 times the views she used to have.

>>15006691
The already least popular Niji EN is collabing with a male from the failed gook branch and they're speaking Japanese, Reimu doesn't have any sort of JP fanbase like Elira and Petra do so I'm not sure why anyone would watch this

>>15006718
Saviorfag mentality is the worst.
You can't save those that aren't willing to put the work in themselves! It just leads to them dragging you down as they struggle and kick, much like how trying to save a drowning person by diving into the water is liable to get you fucking dragged to your death. Better to toss a life-preserver and get them to put the effort to save themselves.

>>15006787
It'd be funny but none of them will jump

Anyone explain why reimu is failing so bad like sana with her voice and design?

>>15006691
It's a collab with a kr where they are all speaking Japanese. You know, at 1pm jp time on a weekday.

>>15006798
Could Reimu collab with some big spic vtuber like Nimu or Iron Mouse and try to get some of her audience?

>>15006617
Reminds me

>>15006834
More than that, I highly doubt that HoloEN would accept. The situation with Luna jumping from NijiJP->HoloJP was both before the big boom and a case where there were so many chubbas in JP that it was 'relatively' not as big of a deal.

>>15006787
I mean

Total view count of Apex for 2021. NOn vtubers included.

>>15006539
The perfectly example of this is the fact that Sony has so many different vtubers projects with no relation to each other, Luna, Verse and the 50 vtubers are all projects from different subsidiaries.

the power of ASMR.

>>15006254
That is one of the obvious points. The other obvious point is that there are people who just don't like collabs. During a collab a chuuba's attention is going to be focused on the other chuuba and what they are doing together and not on chat. A lot of fans really like the chat interaction and banter.

>>15006971

Emperor Hal!

>>15006925
Why wouldn't HoloEN accept? I mean, Niji fanbase is not that big to make a scene, and Hololive gets a very experienced vtuber to boot. The girl will not deny the opportunity for a bugger stage either.

>>15002488
>if Bae was collabing with Roberu there would be a lot of rubberneckers just to see what happened.
I mean, she will do a watchalong of the homos concert, so there is that.

>>15007046
"people" like pic related will jump straight to it and fuck everything up

>>15006849
Probably the worse Ethyria design especially with the big hair curls. Mildly ESL voice. Almost no past life carryover fans. Not part of Elira's pre-existing friend group. Middle of the pack singer and no other real talents. No unique gaming taste or skill.

Basically Niji EN is already too crowded for someone with nothing interesting going on to stand out. Only gonna get worse from here on out as they release more waves.

>>15007046
Don't think any of the NijiEN girls are what Hololive is looking for in a future wave.

>>15005438
>Miko advertises a racing game
you sure about this microsoft?
she turns every driving game into GTA

>>15006617
She has a super super debuff design but IRyS has proven that you can overcome a debuff design to put up some pretty respectable numbers. Is this girl just really boring?

>>15006849
Her design is shit and she does a lot of dumb things.

>>15006610
We got too cocky holosisters

>>15007123
That's the best part.
Miko acting like a retard are some of her best streams.

>>15006925
I think they might go for Selen, Pomu, or Elira, who are also the least likely to want to leave.

>>15007000
ASMR buff is very powerful yes

>>15006787
It wouldn't be funny at all and they'd be neutered as fuck.

>>15006787
Yes, that would be very interesting

>>15007046
D R A M A
Everything I've seen from HoloEN management indicates to me that one of their core management goals is to avoid drama like the plague.

>>15007128
Irys is growing only slightly faster than Sana nowadays so I'm not sure if I can agree with that.

>>15007209
Selen's personality doesn't match the Hololive atmosphere.
Elira basically runs NijiEN so why would she want to leave.
Pomu, I dunno

>>15007156
I kneel...Megane kuzuha...

>>15007103
That's kind of shitty content. Kiara only gets like 3-4k for watching the main JP girls concerts. But people would be interested in seeing her spill her spaghetti in a direct one on one collab with him.

>>15006914
That was a while ago. She was able to get over 1k with Japanese only horror stream.

>>15007282
>Selen's personality doesn't match the Hololive atmosphere.
Neither does Ollie and yet here we are.

>>15007240
I doubt drama will get that big. The NijiEN fanabse is tiny as fuck, if anything, HoloEN celebrarion will drown out any fucking outcry from NijiEN. If HoloEN manages to snap up Selen, ut will be over.

>>15007240
dont expect to see any wild personality types in EN3

>>15006896
Her most watched stream after her debut + 2.0, birthday and full gen collab was an ES collab with the sopita girl from WACTOR, if she could somehow get a collab like that it would do very well but I doubt she ha the clout for it

I think all of you anons don't realize that these girls, at their cores, are also numberfags. When you get a chance to do what you do at a much bigger stage, you will not want to pass that opportunity, especially when Cover has such a lax policy for HoloEN. If Cover offers, they will definitely consider.

The problem is, will Cover offer?

>>15007396
That's why she's in the ID branch where she's harmless.

>>15007269
She has too many work for cover to even stream this month, fucked her throat for a bit, she hasn't been doing her karaoke for a while too.

>>15007269
Insanity, lol. IRyS just came off a month where she almost averaged 10k viewers. She just hasn't streamed much this month because she has been in the recording studio every week and is resting her voice between recording sessions. I think we are going to get some kind of EP or at least her next batch of songs pretty soon. IRyS dwarfs Sana.

what's the point of this thread

>>15004351
EOP pandering collab with Subaru would be nice.

>>15007656
This is a Hololive hugbox that exists solely to shit on Nijisanji.

>>15007656
To proof nijimales en are flops

>>15007240
If that is one of their goals than they are doing an absolutely fantastic job considering how filled with drama cancer the western vtubing scene is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPyLnwSXqkA

Numbers?

>>15007656
We make nijiniggers seethe by giving them a good dose of reality to counteract their delusions

>>15007758
your eigo reps seanigger

>>15007656
containment thread for numberfags, which fails completely at that purpose

can they get 7 more like last year?

>>15007854
could be worse

>>15007564
I'm sure anyone here has seen enough screenshots of chuubas with Playboard in their bookmarks to know full well that they're all numberfags

>>15007791
I think people didnt cared about taking notes of the numbers for this one, it's fucking 12 days of christmas for the love of god

>>15007564
Cover should try to recruit Pomu so Kiara would shut up.

>>15007779
I've seen pedos, underage sexting, grooming, etc. A lot of drama shits in the Western scene. Is it that common in the English speaking market or we don't know the stuff in Japan because we can't rrad Japanese?

>>15007965
At least HoloEN management is doing some projects.

>>15007564
Cover does auditions not scouting, so no they will not offer.

>>15007564
>giving up all of your closest connections (both in the industry and potentially in general) solely to chase numbers

>>15008034
and all of them are shit

>>15008035
They scouted Pekora and Rushia.

>>15007656
For loser numberfags

>>15007791
I didn't even realize this existed. Putting it on the Holo EN channel is just.....

>>15008035
They scout anon...
Its just that I don't see them trying to scout talent that's currently active as Niji. I could see them accepting IF one of the current Niji girls decided to graduate and then apply, but...

>>15007988
Well, at least Pomu can sing English songs for her ubarchived karaoke, and not whatever the fuck unarchived she is doing now.
Also, she might avergae at around 7-8k and can reach 15k if collabs happen.

>>15008028
offpako scandals are common in the NND scene

>>15008110
is doing anything on the holo EN channel the biggest debuff for numbers in the branch? at least you get a reminder that sana exists in some collabs, but never this piece of shit

>>15008028
It's common in the English market because a large number of envtubers are twitter sjws who moved to twitter after they realized that they can't get clout mouthing off on tumblr anymore and started vtubing because they see it as the next big way to garner clout, and as such they bring alot of the same behaviours with them

>>15008074
>giving up all of your closest connections (both in the industry and potentially in general) solely to chase numbers

They're giving up their closest connections for far better ones.

Besides, one of the current NijiEN girls already did it.

>>15008074
What fucking connection? In Nijisanji, you have to reach out. In Hololive, a tsunami of them come to you.

>>15008110
>>15008151
They should've just combined it with the official hololive channel

>>15008151
>>15008110
They have to do something with the channel. Besides, they just need some more long term projects.

It's a slow and steady process.

>>15008028
There is the dodgeball incident. That alone is probably bigger than any EN drama.

>>15008028
>or we dont know the stuff in japan because we cant rrad japanese?
pic related is all you need to know for starters

>>15006787
pomu is already a holo reject, she'd probably jump ship if she could

>>15007779
HololiveEN being the sole safe haven that's drama free in the western vtuber scene is what's helping them keep their dominance.

>>15008166
Who? Is it Millie or Pomu or Fianna or Reimu?

>>15008204
This so much. There is no reason why this song can't be on the main Hololive channel. Add some JP subs to it and boom you have a hit. Not only do the EN talents get more exposure to the nip audience but the main channel gets more EOPs watching it anyway due to Hologra coming out every week.

>>15008276
Finana also claimed that she got to the finals and lost to Gura IIRC.
>>15008295
Rosemi

>>15008313
B-But anon, think about the official clips!!!

>>15008337
Finana is full of shit, she probably got to the 2nd round and sent home due to lack of content creation experience.

>>15006834
This. All of the NijiEn girls have strong corporate loyalty, none of them would jump from one group to another

>>15008337
Wait, what does Rosemi do?

>>15008431
Rosemi...

>>15008166
To be fair, her connection was 4 months at a dead in the water company that she didn't even give a shit about when she was in it, not exactly a hard call to make.

>>15008337
How different would the entire EN scene be if Cover picked Finana over Gura in those finals?

>>15008438
Are you...
Do you...not know? Who she was before NijiEN and what she did?

>>15008438
Rosemi used to be Ria from tsunderia.

>>15008431
And how do you this is true? How do you know if none of them wants to jump ship if an opportunity arises?

>>15008438
Jumped from Tsundaria to Niji

>>15008431
>Talked like you're themself
Based delusional nijinigger

>>15008501
Oh I get it, she cut off from her old company. That's actually kinda funny when her numbers now aren't much different compared to her past job.

>>15008337
>Finana also claimed that she got to the finals
Really? Which stream?

>>15008485
Mori would be the face of EN vtubing, Finana would be Kiara-tier numbers. Holo EN would have still been popular but it wouldn't have exploded quite so big during it's peak.

>>15008438
She is the rat from tsunderia. You know, the one who got gifted a music video on her debut and then proceeded to stream more on her personal account than her corporate account before leaving less than four months later.

>>15008485
bad, full of horny zoomers bad

>>15008485
Mori would be the top EN vtuber and Myth would just be a lot less popular. I don't eve want to consider the absurdity of Gura in NijiEN. She probably would have reached 1 million after 1 year

>>15008621
Yea. I don't think the reach of Gura for vtubers can be understated. Like, that deadly combo of 'A'-> Ride on time -> into that 2nd unarchived Karaoke... Like damn, that was something I think anyone else would be hard pressed to match.

20k are watching HoloEN right now, how many are watching NijiEN?

>>15008731
That 2nd unarchived karaoke was a truly special stream. I was watching it live and the numbers just kept going up and didn't seem to stop, lol. Wasn't YAGOO also in the chat? It was truly a spectacle if you were there.

>>15008759

Rosemi is such a traitor. I want the males to steal all her viewers as karma for betraying Tsunderia.

>>15008875
And then Susan did the smart thing. God bless her.

>>15008600
Implying chumbuds aren't already horny for cunny.

>>15006925
i mean, luna did face a lot of drama early on right

>>15008485
Gura is subtle with the innuendo. Finana isn't.

I bet the anti who attacked Gura early on would have gotten better support if it was Finana piloting Gura's avatar.

>>15008889
Fucking yikes, so the hype for the guys does not translate well to the girls. Not even an increase in anything, I guesses it is true that the fujos do not watch girls.

>HoloX debuts
Every Holo is boosted.
>Niji 4th wave debuts
No boost at all for the older members.

Hololive's boxpush and funneling strategy is unfair.

>>15009001
>Talking about drinking piss

>Gura
Did you guys ever go to the bathroom and, ummm, have the water splash back in your face? Not a pleasant experience.

>Finana
I UNLEASHED A TORRENT OF PISS DIRECTLY INTO MY MOUTH AND SWALLOWED ALL OF THAT SHIT!!!!!

>>15008834
>>15008834
>>15008834
Oh no bros we hurt the fee fees of the nijiniggers again

>>15009001
Oh yeah, I forgot about venti and lolcows gang. It's actually possible to get aloe yab with EN considering the doxxing.

Remember nijien girls should always know your place to queen Sana, Kneel

>>15008280
kind of a weird deal since constant drama is what helped hololive JP grow and overtake niji

>>15009091
Turns out going all in on fujos doesn't actually make for a cohesive fanbase, who'd have thunk?

>>15009238
Not gonna lie. I've actually been enjoying the "can any NijiEN at least beat Sana" posts happening lately. Its riveting and always keeps me on the edge of my seat.

>>15009253
Constant external drama, not the petty catfights that passes for drama in the en vtubing sphere

>>15009197
I agree with the first part, numberfagging should be strictly contained here

>>15009267
At this rate, NijiEN's fanbase will split into cliques the way NijiJP did. If they keep releasing waves that is.

>>15009321
Well that's never happening so, you know, cope and seethe nigger

>>15009253
No, Hololive grew in spite of the constant drama, not because of it.

Niji's drama was more likely to be internal and it hamstrung their growth. (Dodgeball incident, Meiro-Roa drama, constant seething during the Ark period.

Holo's drama were mostly external.

>>15009001
Pomu probably would've just given in at that point and either go full compliance or throw in the towel, at which point the entryism precedent would be set. I'd say Gura is the main reason why the attempts to "cancel" lolicon vtubers have failed.
Thank You based Gura.

>>15009253
But that is external drama, not internal.

>>15008028
anon the first holo to graduate literally fucked a guy for streaming equipment

>>15008588
what the fuck are you smoking anon? Rosemi gets between 1k and 2k now while as Ria she had less than 100 viewers. Heck, all nijien gets between 5 or 10 the numbers they had in their past life.

>>15009463
When you have too big of a group, it's bound to get into senseless clique dramas.

>>15009002
I don't know why people expected much. Even if there was a boost, it wouldn't be something huge. Stop comparing girls with guys. Different types of audiences. They might share some viewers but their main targeted demographics are different. Comparing Pokimane and Valkyrae is fine but comparing either with XQC is stupid.
>>15008280
VShojo's probably going to beat HoloEN since they're collabbing with bigger twitch streamers tho. They shouldn't bother with vtuber models imo, they can do fine as traditional streamers. I feel the same for Ollie from HoloID and Selen from NijiEN.

>>15009581
except that barely happens in nijisanji, holofag.

>>15009598
>VShojo's probably going to beat HoloEN since they're collabbing with bigger twitch streamers
This is the sixth time you've said that and I fail to see how this time would be different

>>15009598
When Vshojo can get 30k themselves, then you're allowed to be in this thread again.

>>15009488
She didn't graduate. She was outright fired.

>>15009149
Both statements are fine but Finana's is more typical for streamers? Which is not what I'm looking for when watching vtubers because I can just get that shit from normal streamers/youtubers.

>>15009662
Nijiniggers and lying name a more iconic duo

>>15009598
>VShojo's probably going to beat HoloEN since they're leeching bigger twitch streamers tho

>>15009598
>VShojo's probably going to beat HoloEN since they're collabing with bigger twitch streamers tho.
so wheres the mizkif boost?

>>15009471
Gura is extremely internet savvy and can spot clout chasers and trolls from miles away. The way she handled that situation is masterful and should be the model by which anybody caught in a situation like that handles it.

>>15009488
She didn't even make it to debut. Regardless, while the western scene has alot of drama none of it was as big as the Coco and the China/Taiwan shit.

No one has noticed how Kson viewership has dropped even bellow Luna levels, hololive buff is woring off

>>15009861
>2 of most popular Vshojo members and snuffy collab
>Barely break 10k

>>15009781
Fake nijiniggers pretending to be fans and fake holostarfags pretending to be fans.
>>15009903
Its normalising. Coco's solo numbers weren't that big after her initial hype last year, with her biggest views being Reddit Meme Review.

>>15009903
She's not in hololive anymore

>>15009463
hololive always had some drama going on that was proof they were a "black company" to the nijishits (an actual black company that mito had to burn the last vestiges of her credibility to defend) but the difference is every single time it didnt threaten the company or any talent that mattered (sorry, Mel) until the Chink drama with Coco
all that did until the Chink Affair was get their name out there, create stories and return streams etc etc that helped build up the holo name while insulating it from any long term damage because they went the idol route to attract unicorns who are ride or die for their girl (until she plays apex with males)

>>15009897
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm33431742
She debuted

>>15010071
>>15010071
>>15010071
Nijikek are truly losing their minds

>>15009488
I thought it was he refused to fuck him and he said she stole the equipment?

>>15008875
It was amazing, she really went all out. Standing up from the beginning. Clips of that are in the millions of views.
Starting strong with Plastic love
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jQPwxP83Oo
Hit 100k viewers with country roads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L77WpA6a_jA
Following with a strong Sorairo days
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7z1qPSeGc4
Sadly some of the bigger clips got deleting alongside Hololive Sings so there's no million view clips of the rest of the songs... but that stream also brough us the "IT'S OFFICIALLY CHRISTMAS" clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWc9XuqwoLI

>>15010138
I think about her sometimes and wonder how she is doing. She fucked up the opportunity of a lifetime considering how much Hololive blew up but I hope she is doing well.

>>15009884
I mean...all she did was ignore it and MAYBE kinda poke fun at it by playing a game where you're a baby.

>>15009598
>>15009861
Does anyone has Vshojo's median this month?
I want to see if any one of them hit 10k

>>15010259
its actually a far more tragic tale than Aloe since she had no idea what she was missing out on, most girls back then thought it was just some shit part time gig for fun (hell ayame still thinks this)

>>15010226
>Sorairo days
You reminder me this thing is 200k away from 5 million , and the second most popular video on Matsuri's channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ys9IS5r9yA

>>15010259
She's fine. Some say she even gets to slay vampires sometimes.

>>15010298
And that's the correct move that many, oh so many people, fail to make.
Some people would've gotten angry and tried to make a big fucking deal over it.
Others, rolled over and 'accepted the blame and shame'.
Both of those are a goddamn trap. Ignoring it and lightheartedly jabbing back and moving past it is the most based and smartest move.

>>15007156
Oh no no no no… why did nijinigger have to kill Sana’s dog…

>>15010400
I wouldn't say it was as tragic as Aloe since a lot of what happened to Chris was 100% her own actions. Aloes situation was a lot more nuanced and not all of it was her fault. Both of them were super unfortunate though.

How Vshojo beats Hololive:
-Remove everyone but Vei, Nyanners and Ironmouse from the vshojo name, there are no other vshojos
-remove Gura, Mori, Mumei, Ina and Kronii from the hololive list

Bam, EN defeated!

>>15010409
>Twice as many likes as her King Gnu cover
damn

>>15010429
Who?

>>15010337
>males debut
>Nina goes from second best NijiEN to second worst
Oh no no no Honeybros

>>15010529
Vshojo i Kneel...

>>15010298
venti used this particular phrase "googoo gaagaa shit" and this is the stream thumbnail right afterwards.

>>15010529
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't the all time peak views for both Nyanners and Ironmouse their collabs with Kiara and Mori respectively? I know it's true in Mouse's case at least.

>>15008035
They did scout a bunch of people when they started out, most of the core holos were scouted by Yagoo himself or Nepo hires.
I agree that they probably wouldn't do it nowadays though.

>>15007128
irys is a much better streamer than people were expecting from the vsinger though

she fits in so well with basically everyone

>>15010690
Gura is so based.

>>15010529
not enough to kill them. IRyS can avg 10k if she streams buff game, Ame too, Fauna is 7k-8k avg.

>>15010699
Nyanner's peak is the stream that got slapped to the Twitch front page where she was shilling Cookie Run: Kingdom (27k).
Ironmouse is yes, Mouse-Mori collab.

>>15010429
Well, being one does make it easier.
>>15010592
Your archive reps anonchama...
It's not exactly a hard to find secret.

>>15010690
She also put Taiwan in a thumbnail during peak zhang outrage

>>15010510
chris fucked up because she literally whored herself out for a job and benefits then once acquiring them tried to burn the scumbag she got them from, including threatening law enforcement involvement
in retrospect im sure she wouldve strung him along a bit longer before trying to bury the connection
once/if it got out it wouldve been a shitshow but she couldve hidden under the protection of the bigger box and eventual EOP wave of saviorfags

>>15010838
Sana and Kiara debuff the other two though.
But yes, funnily enough, Fauna/Ame/Irys probably beat them.

>>15008222
>>15009463
okay, I don't lurk here 24x7 and don't watch NijiJP at all, what's the dodgeball incident?

HoloEN is matching the viewership of some of the biggest streamers, I don't know how Niji 2view fans can even consider them beating HoloEN.
it's quite amazing since YT doesn't have a big streaming culture and how new vtubing is.

>>15010861
Little tidbit that few remember, but Country Roads was used as a protest song by students in 1989...
Now I'm certain it was to some degree a coincidence since it was one of the things that she carried over from Sen, but man oh man...

Current HoloEN numbers, just so I'm not going COMPLETELY offtopic:
Kronii : 11.2k
Mori: 7.8k
Sana : 2.6k

>>15010690
And this is why I love her

>>15010861
The work of an internet master. She keeps getting away with it.

>>15010938
whoreshikawa set up a dodgeball offpako after her hawaii trip with roberu and haachama got canceled due to COVID

>>15010337
I quickly calculated Nyanners' median peak this month and it's 10.2k. It's a pain because twitchtracker reports CCV mostly as averages so it makes comparisons harder.

>>15010890
Back in the early days it wouldn't have mattered much, hololive only pivoted to going full idol when gen 3 debuted so if it came out she had a boyfriend before then it wouldn't really have affected her

>>15011033
I mean averages over the whole stream, as opposed to peaks, to clarify

>>15011079
yeah they leeched off nijis and did male collabs before the cabaret gen but it still wouldve been a big scandal if the details got out

>>15011023
kek
>>15010938
It's honestly blown out of proportion I feel, but its just another incident to throw on the pile.
In Feb 2020, when Mito and the top of NijiJP were burning themselves out, a bunch of livers decided to go to an offline retreat where they hung out and played dodgeball.
This was around the same time HoloJP was growing too, so the contrast was a 1-2 suckerpunch that caused some seethe. Then there was rrats spread by VirtualBuddha?(former associated of rrat king Narukami) wrt offpako nonsense.

>>15011079
Anon there is a big difference between having a bf and compensated dating with underage jk.

>>15010941
Eh. I'd say HoloEN is mid tier streaming viewership. However, the high tier consists of like..10-20 people.

Yes they are immensely popular despite their massive massive debuffs (permissions, platform), they're just outdone by HoloJP. HoloJP are in the very very unique position of:
-not having vtubers be considered cringe shit in their country
-insular viewership forced to watch JP streamers because they can't fucking speak eigo, but concentrated in one time zone.

>>15010938
Oh boy. It was a multifaceted yab. It was an offpako vacation event when the NijiFemales were a lot bigger and the Niji fanbase actually had some unicorns. They blew a gasket that they were vacationing with males as unicorns tend to do.

HOWEVER, even the non unicorns were pissed off because a lot of "livers" went to this event. You have to remember that this was at the beginning of 2020 when Hololive was just starting to incline in a big way. A lot of the Nijisanji "livers" weren't streaming because they were busy planning and then obviously going to this vacation. A lot of the Nijisanji fans (especially the numberfags) were pissed that Nijisanji was taking it easy in the face of the fiercest competition they have ever faced with the rapidly inclining Hololive.

Basically it was an otherwise innocent vacation event for Nijis that made so many people mad as hell for different reasons.

>>15011199
It was mainly the Nijis' response. Girls kept quiet while guys made fun of unicorns.

Is this where I come to get numbers that tell me which small corpo EN group is inclining?

>>15011556
There's literally not a single person in these threads who watches the small corpos so no.
Basically unless they hit 4 digits regularly or are associated with someone who hits four digits regularly they might as well not exist in here

Why did you hype this up?

NijiEN failed. AGAIN

>>15011643
You haven't seen fail yet anon. This is debut buffed.

>>15011633
Might as well toss the question out there, with 70 or so people I might get lucky.

>>15011633
I watch PRISM when there is nothing interesting happening in Hololive.

>>15011556
well no sites tracking them.

>>15011643
those two are the runt of the gen though. The dumb one and vox are gonna be selen and elira tier i think.

>>15010690
>>15010861
How can one shark be so based?

>>15011556
Nene Amano is inclining.

>>15011703
i watch cooking videos that i have no intention of ever trying to recreate

>>15011556
For individual chuubas Miori from Tsunderia has inclined a ton recently. She can pull 200-300 viewers now which kind of dwarfs the rest of her organization. For organizations as a whole PRISM seems to be the only one that has multiple chuubas that can regularly get over 100 viewers (Luto and Shiki).

>>15011643
Only Mysta/Vox stand a chance, the rest are gonna languish.
>>15011556
The issue with the small corpos is that you'd have to have someone dedicated to keep track of them, mostly because there's no 'quick and easy' tool to keep track of them like NijiMado or Holostats.
The individual splits might have one or two blokes keep track, but otherwise...you'd have to manually keep track via playboard.

>>15011703
Same but NorioPro

>>15011703
Well, share your knowledge with us, how are prism doing these days?

>>15011851
Is the red haired one cute? I saw her in a collab and she looked cute.

>>15011771
Ike isn’t the other runt though… that was Shu.

>>15011876
They don't seem to be growing but they aren't reclining either. Very consistent viewership. Luto and Shiki continue to be strong concerning the small EN corpo scale as they both regularly get over 100 viewers. Some of the older ones do seem to be inclining a little bit though. Aoi for example used to get in the lower double digits (under 50) but now she regularly gets in the upper double digits (over 50).

>>15011799
Based Nene watcher

>>15011199
>>15011249
the fuck? just for vacationing a little bit?
why does the nijiJP audience turn even the most minor things into yabs?

>>15011904
oh no.....

>>15011987
I actually don't watch her as much as some other Kawaii girls but her incline is obvious.

>>15012052
If you're slacking off the fans get mad, we do it on this very board.

>>15012119
Charzu is my favorite

>>15012052
Why do you think we call them nijiniggers?

>>15012052
That's just the way NijiJP's audience is.
I mean, starting drama over singing their 'Theme song' because "YOU DIDN'T EARN IT" and other shit is why they're widely known as Nijiniggers. I'm not saying Holofags or holobronies don't have their moments but oh boy, Nijiniggers are something else.
Back onto numbers..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVQQcI6r3NU
Predictions on the NeneSuiseiTowa live?
I'm gonna guess 40-50k max, this wasn't really advertised to be some 'big thing' after all.

>>15011225
Mid tier my ass, I see OTV and a bunch of Mizkif crew getting lower numbers than Hololive. Even Shroud is comparable to Gura. Pokimane and Amouranth, yeah, they're getting similar numbers as well.

>>15011643
I hope someone's keeping track of the NijiEN girls' viewerships and superchats.
I've got a pretty nice bomb to throw on the board if they get affected in the coming month.

lets say youre a discord groomer of a 2view and she comes to you for career advice
>obviously naïve, say in her younger 20s, relatively new to the scene but in it long enough to get some reps streaming and isnt awful
>objectively no singular amazing talent but would be a decent fit as a holo (good singer, not ESL, motivated, not openly whorish in a vshojo way) and is clearly better than their garbage hires like sana and some of the early gen JPs
>indie channel has slow, consistent growth but no guarantee it will get to and sustain profitability to do this full time
Would you recommend this girl try to get into the next Niji wave (realistic) for the initial boost to 2k views before she gets buried under the hundreds of livers they continue to add or hold out for HoloEN gen 3 or 4 (unrealistic)/join some shitter company to make her more attractive for a future Holo wave? At what point should she 'give up' and take a Niji invite?
I actually think the answer leans way more to avoiding NijiEN unless youre just pure twitch streamer like Selen

>>15012200
Why are Nijiniggers so unwelcoming of newbies? Over at Hololive, fans are spamming new girls to sing SSS or Kirameki Rider.

>>15012200
60k, take it or leave it.

>>15012330
Eh, I'd say if their audience is below 150, take the NIjiEN train. Get some nice merch out of it, do your streaming reps, build connections with the NijiJPs and indies outside of Niji, try not to cause Yabs etc.
Then apply for holo after a year with a better resume. By that time Wave 9 or whatever will be debuting, and you'll probably not be missed.

>>15012200
do we know if there's a big hitter overlapping this live?

>>15012330
If you were a groomer you would recommend hololive since it's less likely she'd get in and you could continue your agenda

>>15012460
If nobody volunteers to overlap I'm sure Risu will do it.

>>15012520
They said big hitter anon.

>>15012460
Its the usual timeslot of pekora but since flare already have her waiting room on that time i guess pekora will do an early stream(which might overlap) or an hour later stream.

>>15012330
What >>15012454 said, if you have less than 100 viewers, go for the niji train, get everything out of it that you can, then apply for hololive the moment its available.

>>15012460
Flare

>>15012330
Tell her stay indy and avoid corpo life like the plague.

>>15012245
Yeah but when I say high tier I mean shit like XQC, dream etc. Or do you want me to use some special word for them like apex tier, S tier etc?

>>15009598
unless they're going for the weebs (OTV/other weeb centric streamers) they probably will only have tourists

>>15012330
Go for Hololive. Even if she is a 2view or 3view, she can get in if she is not a walking bomb. If/when Holo rejects her, then continue as indie and continue pushing on Hololive. Be the Nene of EN.
Going for the Niji way feels like a second best alternative but a) is not Hololive, b) can be prone of getting low numbers and whore herself out of SC and c) makes it harder to get contacts to do others stuff she have as goals.

Luca coming with areal game llooks like possible 4k but also a click bait since heobviously played the game before

>>15013084
are you drunk?

>>15012245
you cant really compare to the twitch scene, its a very different world where a lot of them can stream 12 hours a day playing low intensity games or just watching youtube videos and most of the people you mentioned have been streaming longer than Sora so they dont give a shit anymore
like that show mizkif did today got 75k viewers and he runs it weekly

>>15013007
>Be the Nene of EN
Anon, I....

>>15013007
Niji just seems way harder and IMO locks you in to do this for a couple years and then have to get another career
even if you do somehow have breakthrough success if the whole company reclines youre just fucked, if that miracle did happen while indie youd be able to keep your brand
compare the fates of Chigusa and Polka

>>15012259
I know it's early but look at this pic from earlier. Selen and Finana is unaffected, Rosemi is higher than usual and Reimu is doing her best but the other 3 girls are getting all the views. They're most likely not gonna get affected by this in terms of CCV

It turns out the SEA audience for NijiEN wasn't a rrat. This boy is getting the double of viewers he got earlier

>>15013411
Rosemi and Selen are playing good games and also its a new one for them

>>15013411
Rosemi is higher becasue she is doing FNAF breach
>>15013481
pretty much also the guy already beat tha game 7 times prior so he was showing off.

>>15010213
Yes

Why do new nijiEN members feel the need to open monetization early with streamlabs when they could focus doing AMA/Games etc? All the new streams so far are glorified streamlabs readings

>>15013565
cause money is always good and you can't trust susan with monetization

>>15013565
they aint getting good merch

>>15010941
cause there is no other competition, at least directly in YT.

they are #2 no matter how fucking big the gap is. that fact makes them the delusional little shits they are.

Um.. Split POV for super bunny man?! Samurai girl and koyori..
Why?

>>15013565
Because they are poor and none of them get paid by nijisanji

>>15013411
that's fine, this is a period where there seems to be new eyes on NijiEN, so it's likely they will get the benefits (also buff game I guess).
I'm talking about a month or two from now, when the boys start collabing with the girls.

>>15013806
They both want supacha?

>>15013411
good lord is gen3 just DOA or is this one girl specifically a failure for some reason? those are "im barely making it" indie numbers

Pains for me to say that NijiEN will hit another incline by February if Hololive still doesn't get blanket permissions from FromSoft yet. I wouldn't mind no monetization, I just want them to play Elden.

>>15013806
Reminds me of the NijiEN split POV Uno games. So pointless. Just put that shit on one channel.

>>15013976
Miori from Tsunderia regularly gets higher viewers than that to put it in perspecive.

>>15013976
reimu is doing a collab with a gook but speaking in JP and she doesnt have a JP following so yeah, that's your answer

>>15013806
To trigger numberfags

>>15013988
It'd be stupid if they still choose Nijisanji to promote the game when there's another big streamer group just down the block with a large international audience

>>15013853
>when the boys start collabing with the girls
they better hope their fans who like to ship straight couple is more than fujos, a little bit of flirting might make the fujos leave and it's a bad news for their number and money

>>15014053
Anon paying for your own sponsorship is Nijis possible route of incline

>>15012200
40k - 50k silver medal atleast.
Our boy he-Ayame will get gold today.

>>15014552
What's Niji's Event today?

>>15014572
mario kart main game lottery

>>15014597
Lol they're really milking this huh.
Welp no matter, it's still a win for Nijis.

I'll prepare myself for the nijifags who'll act like Nijis just saved the world from the apocalypse.

>>15014703
that's always been the format. qualifier lottery -> qualifiers -> main lottery -> main. The team battle was new this year.

>>15014552
General Toya preparing his armies to retake the 187k peko city on 26th

Are there even upcoming major events for HoloJP this December?

Won't they even try fighting the Niji's MK Finals/

>>15014930
They already won the month, lol. No need.

>>15014930
There'll be the New Year's Event again this year like last year.

>>15007656
this thread is news central for me

Yeah, its over for Pekora's #1 hours watched streak. A streak that ran for nearly 2 freaking years is about to fall. Kind of crazy.

>>15015173
>Lui's stream hours
Holy fuck

>>15015173
i more impressed over flares incline desu

>>15015173
That's a fuck ton of hours watched fishing.

>>15015173
>Ayame with just 4 streams beating 32 Holos
>Fubuki I KNEEL! But atleast my oshi can still regain #1 next month
>Poor IRyS got it rough this month

>>15015241
Not really that much of an incline for Flare. She is usually always in that range.

>>15006962
>>15007238

>>15007656
Subscriber Wars, View Wars, etc...
VTuber Number Fights!

>>15015173
Sad to see it end especially to gacha... I'll find solace in Pekora doubling 2nd place in hours watched for the year at least

>>15015587
Celebrate that such an insane thing happened. I'm just surprised at who is ending it. I always assumed it would be Miko or Marine. Certainly not Fubuki. I kneel.

>>15015173
considering number of streams and placement, kiara, kanata and watame don't seem to be doing too good

>>15015173
>crazy fbk
>i hope la+ can maintain that 20k+ ccv but i hope she stream longer
>iroha is pretty impressive
>rushia avg ccv is getting fucked by technical difficulties and weird timslot
>bae i lose all my hope for you. 23.8 fucking stream hours. Worse than gura and kronii stream hours for fuck sake

How exactly will Cover be able to find candidates for HoloEN3? It seems like it's going to be rather hard to find a person who is yab free to be honest. NijiEN is easy because they don't care about the candidates's history that much.

>>15013351
>compare the fates of Chigusa and Polka
One year difference to get their 3D

>>15015820
gonna have to pull the subaru special and find girls living under a bridge or some shit

>>15015820
I'm not to worried about that. Cover has shown that they aren't afraid to grab from outside the vtuber box. They seem more inclined to grab people who have specific talents and letting them grow into streaming on the job. Just look at Mori for example.

hoshiyomi not doing their reps

>>15016082
oh no no no....

Hoshiyomi always like to brag that they aren't unicorns but how else do you describe this? The song is good so why aren't they watching it? I wonder why!