/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>14797404
Yes.

my oshi switched for me

Why is everyone so jealous of hololive?

Ah yes, I too enjoy switching from Kino to peepee poopoo whores

>>14797848
Why would we be jealous of the most low quality corporation in VTubing? kek

>>14797848
This is a Nijisanji and Tsunderia board if not for Western Indies. Get used to it Holobrony. We hate obvious tourists like you and your shitty whores. Go back to your subreddit now.
>>14797887
That's all Holoshit humor. Learn fucking nuance.

>>14797404
Why it's better or worse?

>>14798044
But there's truth to it. Just look at the average /vt/ user. Over time they grew tired of Cover's incompetence and Holoshit's lack of creativity (Omega Tranny is largely to blame) so most of them either went full indie or Nijisanji/Tsunderia if they had to corporocuck

>>14798308
Because it's repetitive and stale. But since you might be autistic perhaps that's why you've held onto your corporation and the talentless whores that are rife in it.

>>14797404
They hated him because he told them the truth.

It's pointless to make a corpo your oshi, especially a holo or niji. They've already made it. You're not following them on their path of self-improvement and success. You're just hopping in at their high point with no attachments of your own. Not only do they not know who you are when you're just one of thousands of nobodies in a sea of viewers, you contributed absolutely nothing for them to get where they are.

>>14798380
Isn't getting someone else as oshi... Will it not get repetitive as well with time? Or your proposal is to switch all the time?

>>14797404
Eh, I don't totally agree, I feel like Hololive has some great talent in it, especially JP, but HoloEN really is baby's first oshi. You can tell just by the way people talk about them here.

>>14798491
Nijisanji is barely a corporation

>>14798560
Unironically the JP in Holoshit are way worse in quality than the EN. There's also more yabs in JP if you do your roommate reps properly. Thankfully Nijisanji actually doesn't have walking yabs outside their company as talents.

>>14797404
>beginner oshi
no such thing. your oshi finds you and you have no choice if she's corpo or not. you are just a whore.

>>14797404
>the vtuber scene
Cringe. Reddit and trannycord hands typed this.

>>14798669
Yes, the VTuber scene. We all know Holobronies don't care about other VTubers because they're corporate shills that want a monopoly on a broad and diverse field of content creators.
>>14798660
Cope. He knows more about VTubers than you ever will.

>>14797986
>Tsunderia

I personally know some random chuubas that more relevant than those 2view nonames

>>14798713
you are dead inside if you think '[knowing] about vtubers' changes your oshi

>beginner oshi
sasuga

>>14798822
Yes. We all had a beginner oshi at some point. Mine was Coco. Now it's Selen. What's wrong with growing up?

>>14798788
Knowing your shit about the industry you're investing time and energy is bad? Nice to know this is the mindset of Holobronies. Truly they stick out like a sore thumb if they don't want any involvement in the greater community like this board presents for many of us.
>>14798780
>2views
You're just talking out of your ass. Many of them outnumber the lower end Holoshit in terms of CCV.

>>14798865
>Selen
oh you're just a falseflagger, gotcha. overplayed your hand there, next time choose someone who hasn't already been spammed to death by your drama-seeking discord friends.

>>14798956
SEETHE HOLOBRONY

>>Selen
>oh you're just a falseflagger, gotcha. overplayed your hand there, next time choose someone who hasn't already been spammed to death by your drama-seeking discord friends.

>>Selen
>oh you're just a falseflagger, gotcha. overplayed your hand there, next time choose someone who hasn't already been spammed to death by your drama-seeking discord friends.

>>14799038
I love you, bro. Fight the fight to keep the /qa/ spirit alive. They may have bombed our homeland to dust, but they will never defeat us for as long as we keep practicing our traditions wherever we find ourselves in the diaspora.

The falseflagger is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a Selenfag, KFPhaggot, nijinigger, cuckbeat, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a falseflagger and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>The falseflagger is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a Selenfag, KFPhaggot, nijinigger, cuckbeat, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a falseflagger and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>14798491
What are you going to do, pay some smaller chuuba's grocery bills? It's not all that glamorous.

>>14799211
>not being a gentleman for your oshi
pretty cringe ngl

The fuck even is this thread? Its as if all the condensed schizo from this board all gathered in one place at once...
What a sight to see, its downright majestic

>>14797404
>graduates your oshi

>The fuck even is this thread? Its as if all the condensed schizo from this board all gathered in one place at once...
>What a sight to see, its downright majestic

>I love you, bro. Fight the fight to keep the /qa/ spirit alive. They may have bombed our homeland to dust, but they will never defeat us for as long as we keep practicing our traditions wherever we find ourselves in the diaspora.

>>I love you, bro. Fight the fight to keep the /qa/ spirit alive. They may have bombed our homeland to dust, but they will never defeat us for as long as we keep practicing our traditions wherever we find ourselves in the diaspora.

>>14797404
>to switch to a less popular corprate
Nijisanji is more popular than Hololive is. Why do people always act like they are the small guys and not the biggest guys?

>>14797404
>he just throws away his oshi
Whore trash.

>>14799211
Yes, but also so much more than that. It's not just about money. With small chuubas every single viewer counts and every contribution helps. With the big corpos they already have all that. There's no journey, no growth.

>>14797887
>peepee poopoo whores
>last holomyth collab had nothing but peepee poopoo humor
is anon retarded?

Nice thread

>>14799744
I've seen worse. I do like how all the posts got deleted at the same time. I guess people who use "holobronies" also post basedjaks. I really wish janitors could just delete threads instead of posts. Or did that change?

>>14799810
Delete yourself

>>14799810
only mods can do that, yes. i almost felt a bit guilty calling him a falseflagger for being hyper-combative and obtuse + claiming to be a dragoon, but these spammers are predictable as always. i feel sorry for people who actually like the vtubers they pretend to like while they're pretending to be schizophrenic since mods just let them fill up the catalog most of the time.

>>14798669
Nah, they would've used "vtuber community".

>>14797848
Because there are vtubers who are more deserving of the spotlight

>>14805935
And the cycle will always continue no matter what Vtuber they choose, so why?

>>14797404
>but once you've spent some time in the vtuber scene its really better to switch to a less popular corprate or indie
Uh no?

>>14798308
Uhh sweaty. you are supposed to start from the premise, not the reasons that may lead to a premise

>>14799664
>watching holomyth

>>14798491
Imagine watching entertainers for entertainment.

>>14797404
>I care what everyone thinks of me even though I pretend not to.
A reminder of why everyone hates hipsters and contrarian faggots.

>>14797404
>Hololive is cool and all but you guys should really stop liking what you like and like what I like
fuck off

Once you found your oshi everything else becomes fair game. I watch whoever is on and whoever is doing anything that interests me at the moment. The only other holos I watch frequently is Reine and Anya. Right now I'm watching Amiya from Tsunderia reading maros.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K12o8qvaJg

>>14799664
>watch ENtrash

>>14798491
Nah i watched Sora from the christmas miracle day thanks to siro and i aint planning to stop until she perform at Yokohama. On another note, following Hachi has been fun as she shows actual steady growth this year. Most of the indies just arent worth it as they seems to not have any particular goal to achieve.
So for everyone, pick your indie who actually ambitious and make efforts to reach the real goals (not some sub or sc goals).

There's nothing wrong with switching your oshi, it's literally just having a favorite vtuber. Its only wrong when you do it for reasons besides personal entertainment, also don't be a sociopath and tell your oshi you're dumping her

>>14799664
Kiara doesn’t count.

>>14797404
If they're so much better, why are their numbers so low? Serious reply only please.

>>14797404
reasonably priced oshi.

>>14797404
No

>>14805935
I do wonder if you have examples of certain indie chuubas who deserve a spot in hololive

>>14805935
Fuck off, commie.

>>14798491
ive followed selen before she was selen and im happy for her fuck off

>>14797404
No thanks I don't support whores

>>14797404
100% true.

>>14810676
You haven't even watched a non-hololive stream. Your opinion is pretty much worthless. As someone who's watched both hololive and non-hololive streams, I can say that you're missing out on a lot of really great people.

Why do you like to judge what other people do?
Do you spend your time telling Marvel fans to watch DC?
It's just fucking entertainment, if one feels entertained then let them be entertained.

>>14814725
I think the point is that there's literally thousands of people who have only ever watched this one company, and for some reason feel this tribal loyalty to this one company in particular, while never actually checking out the competition.

>>14797404
>you've spent some time in the vtuber scene
you mean if you are a poor neet

>>14814794
Uh, case in point. If one is content with what they're already watching why ever branch out?
And why judge?
The falseflagger OP probably never branched out himself.

>>14798491
>You're not following them on their path of self-improvement and success
i don't care about that, i watch Pekora for the keks and Luna for the cute, i work and don't have time to care for your two views, or other causes.
retardchama watch vtubers for entertainment, not for stupid brain gymnastics

>>14815007
You're content watch the council? That's a sad flop.
This is what I'm trying to express, there are other people out there who are much more fun, and much more enjoyable. You just don't know about them. It blew my fucking mind when Selen was doing her $100k tournament for 5k people, while 8k people were watching garbled-english girl play some boring ass pokemon stream. All those people missed out on an entertaining evening, just so that this one company could maintain their monopoly over them

>people say that numbers correlate to quality
>people are also treating "being in hololive" as a reward for talented indies with low numbers
These two concepts completely contradict each other. If the indies are talented enough to be in hololive, why don't they already have hololive tier numbers? Obviously it's because being in hololive gives you access to the highly tribalistic hololive fanbase, that's why their numbers are higher in hololive. Numbers actually don't correlate to quality in that way.

>people claim that hololive designs the character, and the vtuber is just an actor playing a role. Therefore hololive deserves to have total control over their management and income.
>people also claim that fanbases are loyal to their oshi, and thus why would you ever expect them to change to another oshi?
These two concepts also completely contradict. Are the fans loyal to the streamer, or the avatar? Which is it?

It seems like people are deploying the arguments that suit them in the moment without thinking about the contradictions they are creating.

>>14815155
Yep, and you're judging because you think that their content were bad.
First off, people usually watch a chubba for the chubba not the content. Selen can play the objectively number one best game in the world and get less views than a Holo or whatever, it's not because of the content, it's because that there's simply more fans of the Holo that are willing to watch what they do. It's not rocket science.
Most people aren't jobless, lifeless NEETs that have all the time in the world to discover the world of vtubers or whatever you want to put it. They stick with a handful of chubbas and that would be their entertainment.
And you shouldn't judge. Let's say Ina before Council was a thing, people used to shit on her being plain and boring right? But if people do enjoy her comfy streams then let them be. It's nothing about content here.
Plus if you really were branching out you wouldn't be stuck watching the 3rd biggest English company in the world.
Finally, monopoly does not work that way.

>>14815529
Most people have never been exposed to other people anon. They lack the information. We are here, telling you right now that there are better people out there that you should check out. And hololive fans are swarming the thread saying "NOO don't look at anyone else!" They want to keep you in the dark, that's how their monopoly works. That's why they almost never collab outside their own company, that's how they maintain their monopoly.

>>14815787
Monopoly is having total control over the market and Hololive is far from it.
Here's the thing, most people actually do know about other companies if they were remotely in the vtuber scene. The only ones that does not are hardcore fans of a single vtuber or casuals.
If you're talking about Nijisanji, their brand name is already massive, and people who gave them a chance already did but decided that they're not going to stay. Its not like they're some incredibly obscure startup.
Collab issues is not really related as HoloJP is pretty lax on that part. It's just most of HoloEN doesn't care. And well if a formula is working why break it, from a business standpoint?
And finally, no one is stopping you from watching anyone else. The only thing here is to stop judging what others watch.

>>14816181
Monopoly over these people anon. These people who have never actually seen the competition. Other companies do not have a monopoly on a mass of people, because those people have actually seen the competition and chosen them instead.
>most people actually do know about other companies
Yeah, and we are here telling you about them right now. This is the perfect place to find out about them. And the corporation shills for hololive will always swarm the thread to try to keep you from watching them.
>If you're talking about Nijisanji, their brand name is already massive
Nijisanji collabs outside their company. Nijisanji fans are openly aware of other companies, and many of them watch people from other companies on the side. That is the difference. Nijisanji is not claiming a monopoly on people.
>if a formula is working why break it, from a business standpoint
This business model serves the corporation very well. But it does not serve the consumer very well. The consumer should have a great wealth of competition to choose from.
>no one is stopping you from watching anyone else
What is stopping people is the complete obsession with numbers, which drives tribalfagging losers to pick the winning team, instead of picking what they actually enjoy. And this is completely intentional, hololive fans are intentionally using numberfagging in order to keep people from looking at anyone else.

>>14798491
Although I mostly agree. Post graduation can be quiet kino at times.

>>14816471
>These people who have never actually seen the competition. Other companies do not have a monopoly on a mass of people, because those people have actually seen the competition and chosen them instead
You're making no sense at this point. Do you think that HoloEN is objectively bad and anyone who's a fan of it must have never seen anything better?
>shills
Cover never paid for ads or shit why would they have shills? Take your meds.
>monopoly
It's just the culture. Nijifans treat Nijilivers as individual streamers, Holofans treat Hololive as a whole package. It's the difference in box pushing. It's not monopoly, it's just that the culture that makes it so.
Not like they're brainwashed to only watch Hololive lol.
>consumer
Alright now you're really thinking that Cover is brainwashing their fans. They're free to choose, no one is stopping them my guy. Absolutely no one.
>numbers
Again, making no sense. If you're not a numberfag why would you ever be bothered by numbers?
And NO ONE watches anyone because numbers. They just enjoy the chubba that happens to have the most numbers.
The only ones that chooses a chubba to enjoy because of numbers are unironic numberfags that doesn't have a side. They're barely counted as fans.

>>14816741
>Do you think that HoloEN is objectively bad and anyone who's a fan of it must have never seen anything better?
I think that 95% of their fans have never actually seen the competition. And I am right.
>why would they have shills?
Their management and promotion team is all over this board. They also moderate this board, pic related. And there are lots of tribalfags who do it for free.
>It's just the culture.
No it's not, this is their intentional business strategy. That's why they restrict collabs outside their company. That is a strategy.
>They're free to choose, no one is stopping them my guy.
Great, and we are helping them, by letting them know about other people they can choose. And that seems to make people like you very angry.
>NO ONE watches anyone because numbers.
ahahahahahahahah
I guess you've never seen the 1 trillion hololive numberfag threads in the catalog

>>14816888
>warned for a troll/bait post
>"HOLOLIVE MANAGEMENT RUNS THIS BOARD!!!!"
meds

>>14816888
>competition
One, no reason to. Two, they probably have. It's the Internet. You can't be serious.
>promotion
They don't have to, they're popular with a lot of fans, fans would do it for free. And we don't know shit about the moderation here, Holo hate threads are everywhere daily and they're not removed. One example isn't proving anything.
>choose
Are you Jesus incarnate? No one is stopping them. No one needs your saving, because people have heard of NijiEN since that's what you're going for.
If anything you should save startups like PRISM.
>number threads
Take your meds, they're just baiting...
Why would you ever take anything seriously here?

>>14817089
You're really floundering around. Being a shill must be hard.

This thread is expressing a sentiment, that people might find happiness if they looked at other vtubers. And of course, here YOU are, trying to argue in favor of the dominant corporation. I bet you will show up in every single thread like this to make the same arguments. You do not want people finding out about other vtubers, that could undermine your profits

>>14814794
>>14815155
>>14815416
>>14815787
>>14816471
>>14816888
Get well soon.

>>14797404
>its really better to switch to a less popular corprate or indie
why? state at least one reason>>14797420

>>14817312
>I bet you will show up in every single thread like this to make the same arguments
Says you, using the same worthless arguments in every thread you make.
Why not watch your chubbas right now? They're streaming, you know.
I'll just keep being an enjoy-whatever-I-want-to-watch chad without giving half a shit about cooperate monopoly or saving or anything, because contrary to popular belief, I watch... anything I want.
Get well soon.

>>14817421
because they're often better anon. They also stream different games besides the minecraft/pokemon spam. Check out Yuuka Bear's recent stream for example.

Their models are also often objectively superior, and much more expressive. Like Beatani's model.

>>14817595
>MC Pokemon spam
Alright it's about time you stop that flimsy argument. I've not seen a MC stream for a long time and while some do love spamming Pokemon most doesn't.
Last 15 streams with MC or Pokemon:
Pekora: 3
Subaru: 3
Towa: 1
Sora: 5
Mio: 0
Mel: 0
Matsuri: 3
Iroha: 0
Chloe: 3
Of course there's actual addicts like Luna and Shion, and Fubuki with her autistic shiny gacha, but it's not all "Pokemon MC spam" like you think.
Maybe you should branch out before talking shit about things you don't know about.

>>14817973
Oh so you were just pretending to be asking an earnest question, actually you were a shill all along.

If you want to watch something different besides the dominant spam games, try an indie.

The thing about Hololive is that it's reliable. It's trustworthy. You can know what to expect from a girl if she's part of hololive. It's the whole idol appeal.

>>14818060
>says the guy who has never seen a non-hololilve stream in his life

>>14797404
You could've posted recommendations in this thread, or, better yet, could've just made this a recommendation thread to begin with.
>>14817312
Instead of complaining about the popularity of things you don't like, why not post (or continue to post, if you already do) about the things you do like?

>>14818038
>proves that Holo isn't spamming dominants FOTMs
>proceeds to ignore said proof
Fucking meds. No one cares about content. Just the streamer.

>>14818138
You apparently had the stats ready to go.
And for some reason you're watching japanese streamer even though you're an english speaker.

You yourself might be bilingual, but actually a LOT of hololive fans are english speakers who are stuck watching japanese streams half the time, because they don't now about the hundreds of other english vtubers outside of their little bubble

>>14818219
No I literally dug it up the fly.
>Japanese
Judging again. I started with Hololive, I'm a fan of Hololive, I know of NIjisanji Vshojo PRISM Tsunderia 774 VSPO Noriopro whatever obscure indie Phase Connect etc, but I choose to watch Hololive because I like Hololive.
That's it.
>I like to watch what I like to watch
Keep judging, I guess, since that's what you love to do.

>>14816471
>shills for hololive will always swarm the thread to try to keep you from watching them
It seems you are operating under the assumption that indies or nijis are entitled to success that hololive is stealing from them. The problem is you can't seem to comprehend why hololive is doing better because your assumption from the get-go is wrong.

>>14805935
Like whomst

>>14818369
>I started with Hololive, I'm a fan of Hololive
You're a fan of a company? That's cucked as hell. You should watch whatever you want regardless of what company it is. What has this company done that got your loyalty?

Hololive only has 11 english vtubers, who barely even stream. You are basically admitting that you're stuck watching japanese streams all the time. And yet you refuse to watch anything outside of your little bubble. It's sad.

>>14818384
>why hololive is doing better
Because they have got a legion of tribalfags who worship their corporation. And because they are promoted through the youtube algorithm.

>>14805935
>there are vtubers who are more deserving of the spotlight
And they will get there if they truly are deserving.

>>14818628
see: >>14815416

>>14818610
>company company
Because my oshi is in Hololive? And yes my oshi is Japanese, anything wrong with that?
Are you going to judge who my oshi is now?

>>14818610
You are still operating under the assumption that indies or nijis are entitled or deserve success, and that, somehow, hololive is 'stealing' it from them.

>>14818679
You do not speak japanese, and you watch a japanese streamer all day that you cannot understand.

You admit to being a "fan of hololive", as in a fan of the corporation itself. But when challenged you backtrack and say you aren't really a fan of the corporation, just your oshi (who happens to not speak english).

Maybe you should try watching some streamers you can understand anon. There's a lot of them out there.

>>14818610
>reddit spacing
>muh evil corpo
>doesn't watch streams
/vt/ moment

>>14818780
>cannot understand
I'm getting there.
>challenged
Am not. And I still am a fan of Hololive, if my oshi isn't streaming I watch other Hololive members. Such is the power of box pushing, something most others fail to obtain.
>understand
I'm here to watch cute girls do cute shit even if I could only understand them partially. I have no care if they speak English.

>>14818795
1) I've never used reddit.
2) You are on a board that's completely dominated by one major corporation. There is no discussion of the hundreds of independent vtubers out there.
3) I am watching a stream right now

Now please tell me why you are a "fan of hololive", and what this corporation did to gain your fandom

Majority of hololive fans are not vtubers fans thats a fact

>>14818610
>You're a fan of a company? That's cucked as hell. You should watch whatever you want regardless of what company it is. What has this company done that got your loyalty?

Yes
Hololive is a brand and as a brand it guarantees certain standards like limited profanity and obscenity, limited interaction with males and no drama or politics.
Those are highly appealing factors that play into their success.
So yes I am a fan of the company because the company ensures I get the sort of experience I want.

>>14818900
>if my oshi isn't streaming I watch other Hololive members
Maybe you should try some others. You are in a bubble. I know vtubers with 30 viewers who are better than people in hololive.
>I have no care if they speak English.
most people disagree with this. And I think you are just coping

>>14819025
>better
Subjectively. You don't know what hako oshi means as well.
Not that I have all the time in the world to watch and follow 30 other chubbas.
>most
I don't care? I watch Japanese streams even if Even if I only partially know Japanese, do you think I give a shit what people on this Malaysian basket waving forum thinks?
Vtubers have replaced the CGDCT in my life, and I'm getting exactly what I want.

>>14819170
>Subjectively
So now you're making another strange and conflicting argument. First you say that hololive talents are objectively better. But now you're saying it's all just subjective. You just using whatever argument is convenient to your purposes in the moment.

I am making a firm declaration that they are objectively better. Their model is better. Their voice is better. Their personality is better. Their streams are better.

>muh bubble
People who cry about holobubbles aren't even self-aware enough to realize they're in a bigger bubble. The world of vtubing is vast and wide, and it's not constrained to just HoloSanji. It's not even just constrained to Vshojo and their close associates. It's definitely wider than small corpos and various other JP groups.
No matter in what placement you are, (you) are still in a bubble.

>>14819297
>objectively better
I never did but okay.

>>14819325
Not the case, if you're open to seeing new people and not tribalfagging a particular corporation. If you explore some different streamers instead of religiously shilling one corporation even without watching the others.

>>14818649
What does that post have to do with my point faggot? I'm saying in a general sense, that those who are deserving of success, will find it. Do you know of honey goblin? or saruei? Do you even spend your time watching any indie VTubers niggerboy? Indies obviously don't need hololive to find success, and isn't that what you want?
You believe that indies are somehow entitled to hololive levels of success, but, despite what you may believe, no one is entitled or deserving of success faggot. Not any streamer in hololive, not anyone in nijisanji, not the indies. No one.
Also, hololive didn't suddenly spring into existence with the success and popularity it has today, and there's a reason beyond 4chan shills that it endures. You would know that if you even watched VTubers.
It's a free market, and at any moment some scandal or big problem could arise that takes out hololive. That's your best hope to take it down, so you better pray for that faggot.

>>14798491
Sounds like groomer talk to me anon.

>>14797404
ogey

holy shit imagine being elitist about your entertainment

>>14819400
Twitch vs Youtube is tribalfagging.
JP vs EN is tribalfagging.
Corpo vs indie is tribalfagging.
You're in a bubble if see any of this is a barrier to your entertainment.
Name me a literal 2view you watch. Bonus points if it's not someone shilled on /vt/ regularly like Kano.

>>14813233
Literally the majority of gen 6 is indies who work hard

>>14797404
I only watch 774 and Noripro chuubas these days.

>>14819002
>Limited profanity and obscenity
>Limited interaction with males
>no drama or politics
I watch almost exclusively hololive, so ask me how I know you don't watch them at all or are a filthy EOP

>>14822285
No he’s right.
Even Nijisanji’s standards of professionalism are low compared to Hololive. Let alone the woke strip club known as VShojo.

You know in Hololive that there isn’t going to be Transexual + BLM looting awareness fundraiser streams.

>>14797404
fucking noobs underestimating other peoples' power to support and cheer for multiple VTubers

GIT GUD or get rekt

picrel i support both of these among many others; call me a touristfag, idgaf, but at the very least i'm not some toxic autismo sperging out at the thought that x is more liked/more poplar/more SC'd than y
and can't cope with the fact that Z got tons of subs in a super short amount of time despite being not to their liking

>>14822410
>equating company culture to professionalism

>>14819478
>Do you know of honey goblin?
no
>or saruei?
no
>Do you even spend your time watching any indie VTubers niggerboy?
no
i only watch hololive, why would i be interested in these nobodies?

>beginner oshi

>>14797404
Hololive is soulless

>>14815416

corpo vtubing vs indie has its pros and cons
rigid rules and standards versus flexibility with doing whatever the fuck you want within limits and reason

having a manager, having your marketing and ads (exposure) as well as merch done for you and all that, but they get a significant cut of your revenue stream in exchange, and that's not only highly varied and unreliable but also being used as a metric of your performance despite it being at the complete mercy and whim of your viewers

versus

having to do everything yourself and not having as much exposure, ads, or even merch, but you keep all the income after platform cuts and taxes, and could even keep a plan B as either a wagie working a day job or better yet, reliable passive income

Then there's the thing with collabs, readily available in corpo but when it comes to indies its doable but limited

permissions, permissions, permissions... agencies have clout plus ad and sponsorship capability, versus some indie that is just one person and absolutely won't be contract bound to some soulless corp hence they have reason to ignore or simply refuse perms outright despite free advertisement opportunities (corpos and copyright is retarded)

At the very least, the viewers and fans are more attached to the VTuber - or rather, the person giving the character / avatar life - than the agency they work for, with some rare autismo/tribalfag exemptions so there's that

>>14798491
well said emiya bro

>>14797404
>beginner oshi
It's subhumans like these that have more then one waifu.

>>14819297
Man, you sure sound so fucking obsessed. You need to get out lmfao

>>14797404
Yes.
>>14817421
>Hololive game choices
>the endless restrictions
>Hololive barely collabing with anyone outside Hololive being a double-edged sword
>Full of mentally ill and overworked oshi
>rhombus riggers

The only good thing about Hololive is the lukewarm seiso.

>>14797848
success breeds jealousy

i will watch what i want to watch
you have a problem with that?

My beginner oshi is her. How do I raise her EV and what's the optimal moveset?

People still arguing with insincere falseflaggers I see.

>>14797404
No

>>14814794
The point is that people can watch what they want. If Hololive is fun for them and they don't want or can't branch out (time, whatever) it's fine. It's funny, really funny seeing people arguing that everyone should be checking the absolute madness of vtubers out there which in general is filled with generic chuubas when there isn't enough time for a majority of people to even watch all they already want to watch.

Personally I started watching before Holo, and what I can say is that generally speaking Holo has good quality content and variety. It's consistent.

Niji has the issue that it feels disconnected, so much in fact that I know for a fact that quality(in a personal taste way) is all over the place. This means that basically if you have a few you prefer there and they graduate you probably don't have many reasons to search in there.

Then there's the fact that Western Vtubing isn't like Jap Vtubing. Not even in the slighthest and many times for worse.

Also fuck twitch. I can't watch anything there even if I have two or three I would clearly watch.

>>14815416
People is way more attached to their oshi than to the company. Cover knows this and that the day it's one of their vtuber vs the company in the eyes of fans, they have already lost. Is just that Holo manages to make a package of them, it's a really tight knit group with enough members to not feel always the same but at the same time being familiar.

>>14797404
*cums on you*

>>14815416
you can pretty much ask these dilemmas of anything. the only way to settle them, is time.
also hololive doesnt really go for low numbers

>>14822846
it brings on many changes.

>choosing your oshi based on which corpo they belong or don't belong to
absolutely negative IQ pants on head retarded

>>14797404
>beginner oshi
What new terms are these tourists coming up with again?

>>14826592
>>14822846
>>14819025
>>14818610
>>14816471
>>14815787
>>14797404

And yet they are the most popular group in the industry it's actually pathetic of Nijisanji, Vshojos and indiets who couldn't surpass hololive despite having so much advantage. Hell Nijisanji got beaten by Hololive in every branch. Why is that? What does Hololive have which makes them so special?

>>14814794
there's enough content within hololive that they will never need to look outwards.
Some people are born in a country, live in that country and die there without ever knowing any country but theirs.
It's not really a big deal.
Telling people "watch this girl" with a small clip of her doing something interesting is far more effective than just saying "watch indies".
It's similar to blandly telling someone "you should visit other countries" instead of showing something beautiful about a particular country and getting them interested enough to visit.

>>14815155
> already assuming who I watch in the first line
you need to branch out more anon, council isn't the only Hololive branch.

>>14833782
It’s an ironic shitposter, not a tourist.

>>14797404
No. I like hololive, I watch hololive. Simple as.

>>14816471
>corporation shills for hololive will always swarm the thread to try to keep you from watching them
anon that only happens when you skip your meds.
Go take them now, the "corporate shills" will go away.

>>14818610
>You're a fan of a company? That's cucked as hell.
and that's the reason no one will listen to you anon.
If you just start judging people, no one's gonna bother with you.

>>14834085
What's the diffrence?

>>14830020
>I can't watch anything there even if I have two or three I would clearly watch.
Why? Is your browser broken?
Is it the google/amazon coke/pepsi bullshit?
Is it the chat? You can click a button and that goes away.
If it's the ads find an adblock that works, same as youtube.
If it's the dono alerts I'm right beside you. Those are fucking annoying.

>>14797848
Its just mainstream vs niche. It's similar to anime. You're not gonna just watch the mainstream ones. You're gonna find anime that are to your tastes unless you are new to anime.

>>14813233
Not the anon you're referencing, but I think there are plenty out there. Obviously, it takes a lot of time to find the hidden gems and not everyone has the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDUOibsW36w

>>14797404
It's been 2 years since i started watching vtubers.

I'm member to 59 chuubas and find at least 2 new every week to watch.

Despite all that i keep coming back to Hololive and my oshii is Watame.
No one has come close, either to her or the Hololive group as a whole.

But you can enjoy who you like.

>>14797848
>Why is everyone so jealous of hololive?
because they see fans that create fanart, animations, websites, songs, etc for their oshis out of love. They want that either for themselves or their oshi.

>>14836768
The entirety of the site.

>>14836768
>Why? Is your browser broken?
Is there any browser not truly broken?

>>14836768
>Is it the google/amazon coke/pepsi bullshit?
I do not know what do you mean by that, enlightenme, please.

>>14836768
>Is it the chat? You can click a button and that goes away.
Don't they have it in the screen as background usually? Mmh.

>>14836768
>If it's the ads find an adblock that works, same as youtube.
Ads are a non issue really. As you say any decent addblock works.

>>14836768
>If it's the dono alerts I'm right beside you. Those are fucking annoying.
Yes, they fucking are.

I add:

The interface gives me diarrhea.
Twitch culture gives me worse diarrhea.
As archive goes, Twitch is worse than diarrhea.
It's fucking Twitch.

I rather save on loperamide compounds.

Even so if Youtube is truly commited to import everything wrong with Twitch, who knows.

>>14797404
The best streamer is on hololive so why should i switch to a inferior product

>>14797404
boomgey

Hololive is mostly generic shit, then you have individual talents like Pekora who actually deserve their success.

Nijisanji has many people who are objectively better than most holos who are pretty terrible. At the same time there are also bad nijis too.

basically, people watch for the brand more than the talent. Pekora is the exception.