/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Realised that English speakers mostly moved on from vtubers

>>14534471
Cause she's a dumb bitch.

>>14534471
None of the JPs that started learning after joining HoloLive were serious about it. It was just content.

>>14534471
Because she wanted to leech off Gura but realized she can do it without learning anything

>>14534471
To filter out the less motivated sexy overseas guys from interfering in her Love Quest.

>>14534471
The fad passed

>>14534471
She learned just enough to learn her english listeners are retarded

>>14534471
Because it's hard to learn a language, it's a lot of work over a long period of time

>>14534471
EN is reclining, No point to pander to EOP.

because she immediately understood englsh is useless.

>>14534471
She realizes she can't make a dent in the EN audience now that holoEN has solidified their audiences.

>>14534471
because no overseas sexy guys came to pound her pussy so she lost interest

Because she realized the only english she wants to know is "I'm horny" "overseas sexy guys" and other generic interactions to keep the western retards occupied

>>14534471
The classic 1million subscribers pump n' dump
See: Noel

>>14534888
>Because she realized the only english she wants to know is "I'm horny" "overseas sexy guys" and other generic interactions to keep the western retards occupied

>>14534889
Noel is still doing her reps apparently, even if its just duolingo:
https://www.twitter.com/shiroganenoel/status/1468543486446411781

>>14534946
I know, truth hurts.

>>14534884
Please allow time for delays in these unprecedented times. I am working as hard as I can

>>14534471
Why would she? Cumbrains already flock to her. Any other viewership gains would happen only when she can freely stream in English, and by tha time she'd probably graduate already.

>>14534471
something something pandering to eops

>>14534471
JPs do english streams for content, not out of any desire to learn lol.

It applies to EN and ID as well. none of them actually want to learn the language, they only want to learn enough to hold awkward conversations to create content.

actual learners never do lets study streams because they can already speak a foreign language to some extent and dont need to do it.

>>14534884
We are just waiting for Japan to open up trade again

>>14534471
didnt she pay for a $3000 class too?

Is Suisei still doing it? She seemed to be the one actually serious about it and was doing well.

>>14535442
t. Retard who has never watched a holoID stream.

ahsweetamarineschizothread.gif

>>14535703
Yeah, he couldn't get enough dopamine from the general.

Heh.

>>14534471
The older you are the harder it becomes to learn new languages

>>14535832
That not true. Well yes, but not for the reason you're thinking of.
Most adults have jobs and things that needs to be done.

>>14536329
Yup. Taking obligations out of the picture, it's actually easier for adults to learn new languages since they have a better understanding of abstract concepts and language in general than children.
So if anyone reading this is a NEET and wants to study a language but isn't... what are you doing?

>>14536419
That's not strictly true, you gain a greater ability to understand the language but your ability to actually internalize and make use of the language decreases. It's the same way how understanding how a piano works doesn't make it easier for you to play a piano

>>14536627
yeah because children have far more use for language than adults

>>14535642
The other day she tweeted something about Duolingo, a premade tweet from the app. Other than that, she's too busy to learn a new language and she said to the viewers to learn Japanese instead.
She said that she wants to do another English karaoke though

>>14534471
even if they want to, their schedules are way busier now than ever. JP fans are their bread and butter

>>14536419
NEETs are not polyglots mostly because learning a language requires habitual study, and inability to build habits is one of the most common reasons of NEETdom, at least on this website which is choke-full of "smart, but lazy" people.

>>14534471
Because it's an ugly language used by full blown actual retards

>>14537275
And honestly, being polyglots won't really help them stop being neets.

She realised that pandering only works if you really work on it. Gen6 will learn this soon enough too.

>>14537699
Dubs of truth

>>14537699
Yeah, by you

>>14537699
Damning for the intellignece of any other language user considering the extreme domination of english speaking intellect

>>14535808
Yup, eops are just not reliable. Best to just focus on what you and the biggest part of you audience wants.

>>14538259
This mf said intellignece

>>14534471
She's old, hasn't seen enough improvement and probably just doesn't care enough

It's hard and time consuming even using best strategy. Marine managed to choose the hardest way and quickly failed as was expected.

>>14534471
She barely started.

>>14534471
It's as simple as she just lost interest.

TVNYO

>>14534471
The only holoJPs that actually truly try to learn English are
Sora
Roboco
Mel
Subaru
Chloe
Lui
Iroha

>>14534991
1063 minutes, 53 days longest streak. seems like she's actually giving it a decent effort.

>>14541010
Korone took some real lessons over the last year and improved a lot but recently she hasn't been doing much of anything...

Because most western Hololive JP fans are clipfags, and clipfags don't watch streams.

Learning a language requires constant engagement with that language. Japanese "learn" English in school and then proceed to do absolutely nothing with it for the rest of their lives.
Chuubas grinding anki cards for a full 60 minutes probably wouldn't be very entertaining content, so we get duolingo and streams where they attempt to use their 60 word active vocabulary to communicate instead.

>>14535507
Bae regularly does Japanese studying streams where she does actual studying activities and asks for assistance from jap viewers. It's a lot easier to study a language when you actually know it a bit.

>>14534471
1. Got demoralized by drama and bad health this year and didn’t feel like attending her tutor classes anymore.

2. Further demoralized and lost the goal of doing English Only collab with Coco when she learned that Kaichou was graduating

3. Learning English only became somewhat serious for her during her rush to 1 million subs + her desiring to do collabs with HoloEN. She has lost the fire and now has seen she can get by well enough with what she knows now after Umisea.

4. Learning a new language has an initial heady period where it’s exciting until you hit the progress wall and it becomes more of an effort. Marine mentioned she didn’t enjoy her last tutor class as much as prior ones and that was before all the negative events this year.

5. Marine is a self-admitted poor learner, she went to an all girls Catholic school and had a leg up on her Holo peers in that regard back in the day but squandered it by being a typical JP student who has no interest in being a westaboo.

6. She probably saw diminishing returns in new overseas fans as HoloEN locked in their bases and worldwide COVID lockdowns ended. Probably didn’t want to fight for an audience segment that would leave anyways.

7. She is already wildly successful enough and overseas fans make up at most 5-8% of her audience. Not large enough to seriously learn a new language in her already busy schedule.

8. Probably feels she can satisfy overseas fans enough with short videos with EN subtitles, they are an easily pleased audience.

>>14541010
You forgot Pekora

>>14536419
NEET here, i picked up nihongo a year ago and yeah can pretty much read hiragana, kata, and some easy/basic kanji. Isnt that hard for me since i've learned it back through middle to HS

>>14534471
She has cumbrain, please anderstan.

>>14534471
Marine wants a kaigainiki to fuck her, but she now thinks getting fucked without even knowing what the guy is saying is hotter

>>14534471
It was done to make content for overseas bros rather than to really try learn the language. She picked up enough to have a few phrases and such and was done.

Can't blame her though, English is a bitch to learn and with Hololive EN made any audience growth from learning it even to the level of Haachama wouldn't be much.

>>14537699
The irony...

>>14547737
actually decent logical reasons. it still hurts though. we were her eye candy, her overseas sexy guys..

>>14541010
You forgot Aki.

>>14541010
you forgot my ringmaster, the one learning real english
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVmqred5A9U

>>14535173
Unironic use of graduate. Say fired sheltered baby.

>>14541010
>No Nenechi
Shit list

>>14548649
Join me and the sexiest of overseas guys as we learn Japanese.

>>14534471
It takes time and study. It's not something you can do in a stream 2 hours per week if any.

>>14534471
Because she realised that the kaigainiki unironically like Maringlish better.

>>14548028
If it took you over a month to learn kana you should give up. That's ~2 a day. Citing that for your progress over vocabulary or grammar for over a years time is a bad Outlook. Stop wasting time on phone apps. Harry Potter has 6,185 unique words. How long do you plan on studying? Past that you should be showing things you've watched or read.

>>14534991
>https://www.twitter.com/shiroganenoel/status/1468543486446411781

Sorry but Duolingo is not an effective way to learn a language. Serious learning is fundamentally boring and requires a lot of work and repetition.

Duolingo is simply a game, and emphasizes progress over repetition and actually commiting things to long term memory.

>>14541010
Also Aki, Korone, Sora, Azki, Nene and I'm missing someone

>>14534471
Realized that by the time shes done learning a language (2-4 years) she'd already be done working for hololive. There's genuinely no point.
Also even if you can read and write ESL english doesnt mean you'll be able to actually stream in english properly. English speakers wont go for Marine; they have at least 10 native or near-native streamers, plus the indos. If people are already filtered by the averagely accented holoID streamers, imagine Marine, a 30 year old JUST NOW starting with english.

How many Marine streams will EN audiences watch before they go back to their regular two streamers? Realistically, whats the actual number of english viewers she'd get? She cant even collab in english with other JPs, and a good percentage (at least 30%) of her viewers wouldnt be able to watch an english only stream.
If EN was still pulling 40k averages with 70k peaks every other day like back when Myth debuted, making english would make sense, but half of EN has 200k views. She already has that.
Also westerners dont know this but Marine in english would filter 90% of the western hololive fanbase. EN built a very family friendly fanbase and a third of the JPs talk about licking loli armpits on a weekly basis.

>>14553555
I agree with you that Duolingo is rubbish, but you can't really complain that Noel "stopped learning English" when all she was doing before was Duolingo and she still does Duolingo now. So literally nothing has changed.

>>14534471
Why did you stop learning japanese?

>>14534471
NOSOTROS SOMOS

>>14556000
Yowch anon, that went right through OP's carapace and straight into his soupy innards

>>14534471
Can't go posting a Senchou like that without sauce, faggot.

>>14555779

Oh yeah, I wasn't saying that as an argument against Noel, but just in general that Duolingo streams were done for entertainment rather than a serious attempt at learning.

>>14534471
She saw how the EOPs treated Korone.

>>14534471
Pretty much every JP stopped learning English after Coco died

>>14534471
>jp
>caring about english

>>14553639
Watame

>>14534471
She was afraid foreign guys would suck the milk out of her titties and she needs that milk to attact shotas, her real passion.

>>14534721
X to doubt

>>14534471
A Japanese person being fluent in English is as rare as a Non-Japanese person being fluent in Japanese

I found it funny that umisea was the only time she actually interacted with EN, not even doing a EN server tour after her break

>>14538438
Less about reliability and more about the fact that a jp streamer and an eop just isn't going to work out. you'll find the same "reliability" problem the other way around, language barriers kill

I think it's particularly hard for Marine, since her style is based heavily on fast talking and wordplay. Someone like Miko, ironically, has an easier time talking in English because she can just say short dumb things and sound cute. Marine would have to totally change her personality to practice speaking in English.

>>14534991
She really wants that gura cuddle sleepover huh

>>14556000
I never did. In the past 2 years I just missed 14 days of my anki reps.

There's only one member of HoloPro who actually did his Eigo reps

>>14534888
Depressingly accurate. When she starts to speak normal English it makes the clippers go away. When she speaks broken English the clippers clip away

Marine realized she will never be an overseas sexy girl.

Learning a second language later in life puts you so far behind the lifetime of cultural understanding needed to properly utilize it, it's basically just an incredibly costly parlor trick worth thousands of hours of time and research needed to fully acclimate to a culture you've never been a part of or immersed yourself in.

The investment needed to attain fluency is the true language barrier. At a certain point in life, you need to ask yourself whether you're going to have use for that language 10 years down the road. Marine most likely decided that she's not going to be young enough to make the most of her eigo reps after a decade's passed, and that her time would be better spent elsewhere.

>>14534471

Because my cock is all the English she needs

>>14537180
>she said to the viewers to learn Japanese instead.
Source?

>>14572662
Yea... speaking English as fast as she speaks Japanese would have her sounding like a female version of the John Moschitta (Look him up if you don't know who he is)
Which in itself would be funny but requiring far more effort than she probably could put out.

so, none?

Monolingual people who've never learned any other language but their own have REALLY hard time learning a new language when they are adults

>>14572662
you have never watched Marine have you?
watch some of her superchat readings from early 2021

>>14538507
>people who type fast and don't care about spellcheck aren't smart

She realized EOP are poorfags

>>14576956
>and that her time would be better spent elsewhere.
Yeah, better spent on my dick.

>>14534471
Same reason why you're slacking on your reps OP

>>14534721
wrong, English is grammatically complex but if you can't reach at least a 6.5 IELTS in a year which is more than sufficient for streaming then you have the IQ of a rock

>>14553555
Say that to the retards who wants stuff deliver to them on silver platters

>>14582634
This, monolingual is only a contributing factor, the human brain stop developing after the age of 25 so learn whatever the fuck you could now or ur gonna have a real hard time later.

Because the only reason why she even bothered to learn English was because she was hanging around with Coco back then and so she had to deal with you filthy kagainikis

Same applies to other JPs who did the whole Duolingo arc and basically stopped now, the reddit dragon brought all the EOPs to their territory so they had to entertain them.

Now with her gone they went back to not caring about you all

>>14584595
Yes, I was dead serious when I wrote that. Now I also think you're stupid

>>14584540
This, she totally plays up the Maringlish. Which I don't mind.

>>14537699
YWNBJ

>>14587596
来日の日が来てその言葉を絶対に覚えている

>>14534471
cause holoEN you stupid dumdum

>>14556286
EL CUARTETO DE NOS

>>14566922
Extremely false