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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *>89,652: Toya (Nijisanji)>36,373: Chloe (Hololive)>35,525: Iroha (Hololive)>32,268: Fubuki (Hololive)>27,065: Ayame (Hololive)>26,216: Fubuki (Hololive)>25,403: Pekora (Hololive)>25,352: Calli (Hololive)>23,804: Laplus (Hololive)>22,497: Laplus (Hololive)>22,334: Lui (Hololive)>19,402: Kanata (Hololive)>18,560: Rushia (Hololive)>17,831: Met (774 Inc.)>17,626: Kanae (Nijisanji)>17,354: Flare (Hololive)>15,653: Nene (Hololive)>14,110: Shibuya Hal (merise)>13,448: Mumei (Hololive)>13,271: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)>12,319: Mio (Hololive)>12,300: Furen (Nijisanji)>12,105: Lamy (Hololive)>10,988: Lui (Hololive)>10,202: Watame (Hololive)
>Home sweet home
>>14421479Nijisanji lost the superchat debut record so that nullifies their win. Hololive still has the streak. I don't think Nijikek numbers should count at all.
>>14421520kek i love this edit
>>14421593>I don't think Nijikek numbers should count at all.This but unironically
>>14421479Are we blind? Deploy the KNEELS!
>>14421593Anycolor just fell on their face again, let them have their gold.
Apparently Omocat won’t restock until April 2022. Cover really has to do better market research and increase their initial orders. A non trivial portion of sales will be lost with that sort of interval. Did they really not know to stock up on the xl and xxl? They sold out in minutes
>>14421479The tally of the day uses JP timezone? So Holol win streak has been broken?>>14421593Stop moving the goalpost. IN NUMBERS WE TRUST
>>14421593let them have the gold anon, it would be sad if we won't see our favorite characters in this thread.
>>14421686Christ. Cover leaves so much money on the table. All the Lawson goods sold out before noon. the Don Quixote merch sold out nation wide in 15 minutes. They are so incompetent. This is where Anycolor excels, they make sure their merch is always available at every landfill.
>>14421686>Did they really not know to stock up on the xl and xxl? They sold out in minutesCover is not an international company yet. You can blame them for the lack of supplies in Japan but you can't really blame them for abroad supplies due to the lack of market research. I think things will be better in 2022
Just came back from work, what's chmkins peak and sc?
Today's superchats
>>14421808stream died because God hate her and her GPU, comedy ensues. Also it's moved to new schedule.
>>14421824Look at those money making machines...
>>14421686Fuccckkkkk i didnt put my order when the site crushed cause i think they'll restock in like a month or so!
>>14421824Chloe got in one day what most chuubas get in their whole life
>>14421686Cover doesnt get to tell omocat how to do their manufacturing, anonchama. You can tell them you want a million tshirts, theyll still only do what they think is safe.
>>14421408THEY LIVE IN A SOCIETY
>>14421858Naruhodo, i just saw the other thread so it will be after ame then? I expect funneling
>>14421808Her stream self-exploded in spectacular fashion, which was quite sad. Before it happened she managed to get 23 580 peak ccv and 533,697円 in superchats
>>14421686source? i didn't see it on omocat's twitter.
>>14421686>anon is landwhale
>>14421824>Chloe beat Kson's total SC last month in a single nightS-sugoi
>>14421686What is the source for this? Not that I think you're lying, but horse's mouth and all that.
>>14421479What makes Nijimales so powerful?
>>14421937Kiara's will be at Sunday 13:00 pt, so the funneling will go to myth collab which is scheduled at 15:00.
>>14422015wasnt mythcollab happening right after gura's?
>>14421937It will be after Ina. Dec 13 6 am JST
>>14421824>Chloe got her PL's lifetime sc in one nightjesas
>>14422013>What makes Nijitournaments so powerful?FIFY
>>14421824What can small companies and EN startups learn from Chloe's success?
>So what's the intern's rank in Top SC/stream now?
Chimkin wasn't gonna peak the same as the first outfit reveal if you look at her CCV 15 mins in. The recline is real
>>14421890Everyone on that list did.
>>14422058ina and gura are on 11 dec US or 12 dec JP. Kiara is one day later. Shell miss all the main hypehttps://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html?iso=20211211T210000&p1=tz_pst&p2=tz_gmt&p3=tz_jst
>>14421824An awful lot going on here, Chloe becomes just the 5th vtuber ever to make >100k USD in one day, Nene with the world's most casual 28k, Rushia still making bank as always, Iroha keeping up her strong pace, Kaida with a total that would top the chart 90% of the time all the way down in 5th, another strong day obviously boosted by gen 6 but would still be very good without them
>>14422015>>14422058I see.. guess gold goes to watson today, matuli tomorrow, and Ina/kiara day after then
>>14421824Councilbros don't look...
>>14421824I was the anon that called $100k for Chloe. Looks like I was right.
Will Kiara's outfit reveal mog Ayame's birthday?Both on 12/13
>>14422180watson and matsuri on the same day no? burger kun your timezone reps...
>>14422267Don't think so. It's, well, Ayame.Will there be guests?
>>14421408Deja Vu
>>14422248How did you know?
>>14422104Wish they were hololive.Seriously though, the big numbers gen 6 brought is the fruit of labor of hololive as a brand. It's not something that could be created by effect in a day.
>>14422248I did too. I don't understand how people kept low balling her so much. It's obvious this Gen was a success. I mean even Lui-nee got more than what we thought she could get.
Does Niji get stronger with yabs like Cover? I would think all the combined shit that happened in such a short timespan would hurt viewership, but not really going by the Mario Kart numbers.
>>14421479>https://twitter.com/rei_toya_rei/status/1334168182056050694last years announcement 33.4k likes, 46.3k peak12.9k difference>https://twitter.com/rei_Toya_rei/status/1467169695958994944this years announcement 69.5k likes, 89.6k peak20.1k difference
>>14422315It's not only that, but learning from the big fuckup that was Council. Their management handled the culling numbers and twitter disaster very, very well. They also have made them be more engaging too.
>>14422369INCLINING!
>>14422331I think people have already talked about this time and time again. It depends on what type of YAB.Internal conflict YAB = Not goodExternal conflcit YAB = Good if handled in unity fashion.
>>14422308Last year, 2D with Tostu 61K
>>14421824Over $200k from the top 10 alone, surely today had the most total superchats donated since Coco's graduation
>>14422331Niji audience is much more casual - if more of the people who turned up for events watched regularly they wouldn't be dumpstered by Hololive all the time.That's the kind of audience that doesn't notice most yabs.
>>14422369yea and lulu graduation post also got more likes than cocos one. It means a lot
>>14422315You're underselling the effort and attractiveness of gen 6, just look at how low gen 5's monetization streams were.
>>14422151Yeah, I think the people saying 32k would have been correct.Even if I wanted to see 50k.Yagoo needs to get serious about Gen3, the perpetual bleeding of viewership is not good
Ame 1 hr prior : 4,825
>>14422477Gens 5s monetisation streams were a fuck-up, on top of everything else they were going through. They just sprung guerrilla streams when it came up from youtube.They've been far better organised this time around. Management have learned.
>>14421824ID3 is next I really want to see how they handle things. Will they improve?
>>14422284I was referring to JST time anon-kun since that's what we use here for daily tally
>>14422582ID2's SCs are significantly better than ID1's, let's see if that trend continues
>>14422499>Perpetual bleedingShouldn't have hired someone who siphons company resources to dilate on the daily.
>>14421891If Cover assumes the financial risk they'll print whatever, if it's within their capability.
>>14421686From what Mori and Kiara said the problem is just how much they can produce, it will eventually reach a point where it will always be available in stock at any time
>>14422571That sounds like cope, if they really were as popular as gen 6 it wouldn't have mattered
>>14422374How do we know it's their mane not the girl themselves responsible for their strong weeks?
>>14422374it would be funny if ID 3 get no cull at all because of what HoloX did
>>14422682you aren't there for the monetisation streams, right? easy to call everything a cope
>>14422772replying to gen5 schizo what a loser
>>14422772please understand, newfags plus all sorts of nijifags putting out whatever narratives the voices in their head tell them.
>>14422772Nothing stopped gen 5 from being as engaging as gen 6 besides their own lack of talent, stop blaming it on monetization coming suddenly a better gen would've shrugged that off just like how gen 6 shrugged off the sub culls.
>>14422682Anon, please.. The only thing I even remember from Gen 5 monetization is how Nene accidentally triggered her monetization.
>>14422888Gen 5 didn't have jealous and insecure holos overlapping their monetization streams and even then they still couldn't make a lot of money
>>14422923They had something worse. The Aloe yab.
Do you guys now how much viewers did Holo members lose following HoloX debut?I know the top members like Pekora, Subaru, Marine, Miko...etc seems stable and Aqua is forgotten (though it might be unrelated to HoloX in her case), but how are the middle tier like Noel, Okayu, Lamy...etc?
>>14422106Rushia has on average a ridiculous $6.7k for every stream on her channel, if Chloe can keep up at that pace long-term I will kneel harder than I ever thought possible
>>14422499>the perpetual bleeding of viewership is not goodHire more entertaining alent, as in, you dont get hired if you cant make me laugh one minute in the auditio--oh wait
>>14422860>>14422923
>>14422996Nobody lost any viewers and I'm seeing more viewers on the middle tiers.
>>14422369Nobody cares Nijikek. Nijikek numbers are irrelevant.
>>14422315>Wish they were hololive.I wonder if that happens.
>>14423051I'm guessing that's because tourists buff across the board and gen 6 expanded the market by 25k people?
>>14422996It's the opposite, the fanbase increase in size. Just look at FBKing's new subscriber during the debut week
>>14422710Because Gen6 talks about their managers a lot and how engaging they are with them. It seems like management for Gen6 is strict, but also was quick to guide them to reminds their subs to follow each other as well as keep watch of what was happening with them. >>14422743That'd be hilarious.
Ame 45 min prior : 6,070
>>14422996It's hard to measure any possible cannibalization since most of the clear first targets(which is the one who are currently breaks) cannot be measured. Also there are some clear tourist buffs going on recently when even the low tier holo's medians are going up according to chart anon in the previous thread.Miko seems to have suffered a few bad streams caused by intense overlaps though if that counts.
>>14423120Wow that's really good then. Nene's former mane that drove her to menhera is now with them right? I guess you really should pair numberfag with another numberfag
>>14423146I don't feel good. Ame, please.
>>14423146easy 50k
Do Subaru and Gozaru usually go over the hour? Is ame going to get overlapped or funneled?
>>14423292Not the main portion, it wont affect shit.
>>14423292Maybe Iroha will funnel her watchers but Shuba can go to two hours if she goes to SC reading
>>14423292A bit late for gozaru by an hour i think. Subaru is quite random since her morning zatsu ofthen between 8jst to 11jst
>>14423292RFA streams don't usually go very long, Subaru Zatsu same deal.
>>14423292I'm expecting Subaru's stream to overlap. She usually does this until lunch time.
>>14423342Anon she never does SC reading on her Zatsus. She has some topics prepared and usually only goes for about 1 hour.
>>14423292Both suba and iroha don't go more than 1hr.
>>14421479A win is a win. Congrats Toya and nijisanji on your gold today. Kiara even had a mental meltdown over the superchat goal seen along with her number possibly being lower.
>>14423150Miko tends to incline hard when a collab ends. I remember her going from 11k to 26k after a gen 3 collab ended.I notice there is a lot of overlap in certain fanbases. FBK and Flare's fans overlap surprisingly.
>>14423134Would've liked to have seen this after the weekend Pekora streams to get a better picture of the situation considering Pekoras weekdays have been weak af. If Fubuki keeps up the pokemon gacha much longer she has a decent chance of breaking the streak. Chloe should be overtaken pretty easily.
>>14423444Bakatare's fanbase overlap really well.
>>14423354>no one funnels for Mori>no one funnels for chicken>Noel, Iroha, and Shuba funnel for Ame>YAGOO also publicly praises Ame for Mori's concert
Reminder that before Calli's new outfit reveal was age restricted it was well on its way to match or even surpass Marine's 130k+ outfit reveal in vod views. Live views are so overrated.
>>14423292Gozaru is very digilent about how much she loves Hololive and promotes her senpai and genmates heavily so even if she did go over an hour she would probably stop her stream.
>>14423530what a shame that all those kids didn’t get to watch her stream, that’s her core audience
>>14423528Ame is well beloved by JPsenpai for go out of her way to collab with them. And they respect her la creatividad
7k for Ame waiting room. Better than Kiara, I think?
>>14421479https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1NElpKjm74
What went wrong with Matsuri? She use to be a top tier holo and fun to watch...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79ZqxpSw-Eo
>>14423528>>14423610>funnelIt's just Ninnin and duck's usual morning stream...
Her waiting room SC's are looking worse than Kiara, though.
>>14423530So they wasted money and time on a desing that can't be shown?
>>14422996Hololive as a whole grew. Sorry to crush your disappointment and potential bait material
>>14423620>Apex>Hoshikawa>handShe keeps debuffing herself. It's a shame because she's probably one of the nicest Holos out there. Menhera gonna menhera I guess
>>14423530holy cope
>>14423104i think fubuking's is actually her own rather than from holox because they don't really budge from overlaps much. at most, they end up on flare's solo pokemon streams now since they stream together. should be interesting to see how it affects roboco from today on.
>>14423620She has NEVER been a top tier
>>14423570You forget it stops the vod from being recommended in the algorithm too.
Ame 30 min prior : 7,512
>>14423710>numberfag cant handles the numbers. Seems you are the one to cope.
>>14423724>Her fanbase needs to get recommended her outfit reveal by youtubeThose are not real fans
>>14423134>Gawr Gura has streamed less than Kronii AND AyameIs... is Gura ok? That's a pretty big low ain't it?
>>14421479niji won but also lost?
>>14423496Subaru schizo has been seething for a while
>>14423787Are you retarded? No one is saying this is fanbase views at that point. Just like a ton of live views during outfit reveals are general community views, not fanbase views.
>>14423814I think she said during her last membership stream that she’s planning to graduate soon
>>144238142 members karaoke, 2 collabs without her pov, and 2 public streams on her channel.
JWU what's Kiara's numbers?
>>14423879I hope we get senzawa back at least
>>14423134Ruinee worked the hardest among 6th gen..............
>>14423530It would be a real problem if the 2nd most subbed Holo not only lost in CCV but also in VOD views not wouldn't it?
>>14423879Go the fuck back to wherever you came from, this isn't some rrat thread.
8k for Ame waiting room.
>>1442391030 min prior 6100
>>14423530I wonder if she can still do streams with it without being age restricted, Maybe because of how she focused a whole 5 mins in the chest area that triggered YT AI to age restrict it?
>>14422420The fact that Ayame has been streaming almost regularly this week is actually a big debuff for her birthday.
>>14423981I was expecting more for her Karaoke stream. 27k for Ayame is a little low.
Now that I reflect on it, Chloe's intro loading bgm really matches the aura she brought into Hololive. Epic battle music
Kiara before start : 13KMori before start : 24KAme first outfit before start :34K
>>14423925Holy kek did you even read the point of that narrative anon?
>>14423814had a somewhat normal week with Sunday off1/12 Practice karaoke: 1h23m2/12 GTA3/12 Phasmo collab4/12 Big Brain Academy6/12 Singing7/12 TTRPGit looks to be also an additional day off likely due to not wanting to overlap ame's new outfit
>>14423715It kinda incline Robo-san a little
>>14424076>>14423896That makes sense. It's actually fine then
>>14424049Yes, and? I expect nothing less from Calli even if it's age restricted.
>>14424076Stupid shark, you could have just done a short stream to funnel into Ame! Fuck. What the hell is EN doing, are they so absolutely averse to funneling that they won't even stream BEFORE a big event?
>>14424076If Gura was smart, she'd schedule a stream before Ame, and became a waiting room for Ame. But nope, ENs are retarded.
>>14423972Gura's first RE2 stream was also age restricted by youtube halfway during her stream, the only problem she was facing is her viewers can't SC her, nothing serious happened after that stream.
>>14424145They hate each other.
>>14424145Mori and Gura are also silent on Twitter about Ame's reveal. WTF
>>14424145I honestly think they are completely oblivious about this stuff. Kiara once couldn’t turn on her computer because she wasn’t pushing the button hard enough. Their managers should be aware but who knows
9k get for Ame!
>>14424145>>14424168I get being hostile to Gura as much as anyone, but isn't this shitting on EN too much? They might not even think about it or really know this is a good strategy.
>>14424168too early to wake up
>>14424145>>14424168>expect chumbuds to watch other
50k Yen Get
>>14423620By what objective metric?
>>14424260Chumbuds are the english Nousagis. There's no way they'd funnel into Ame unless Gura decided to hang in the chat.
>>14424145I guess it's hard for myth to form a funneling habit (especially for Ina, Gura and Ame) when they stream at their timeslot for a year and ask them to make a change. And last time she also didn't stream the day before her outfit reveal.
>>14422369>draft almost doubled in CCVwon't be surprised if the tourney gets 200k
>>14424222even though omega alluded/confirmed to being there since the beginning at some point en management seems to have dropped in quality. like they weren't the best to begin with but it feels like it's gotten worse
>>14424272Isn't that $450? Seems like a very small increment to make announcements for.
>>14423620Not sure having a lot of clips done about her being a pedophile is considered top tier.
>>14424272>1 ¥500Teajaps..
>>14424120that's what i think will happen too, but it should be fun to watch it all play out over the next week or two.
>>14424245I don't see any effort on the EN side on big events. This is pretty bad for them because not caring will be the norm and you can see how its affecting their numbers.
>>14424332this thread would be hell if that happened
Anon stop! She is already dead...
>>14424272What Ame fanbase is poorer than Sana's?
Ame 15 min prior : 10,139
>>14424347Comparing to Kiara.. It's sad. Kiara was already close to 100k yen before her disaster stream.
>>14424021Isn't that around her usual if it has other streams on
>>14424390As long as she doesnt spam apex again ffs
>>14423620>>14423717You could say she was top tier pre-Gen 2.
>>14424272Ensharts standardi s getting lower kek
>>14424325I'm aware, this is really just a complete lack of any co-ordination on the entire EN branch though and it's annoying to see when you can see how beautifully orchestrated the HoloJP is. Now, to be fair, the number of members and timezone issues don't help, but after several months you'd think maybe things would be better.
>>14424436You'd expect more. Maybe she'll get a lot of SC once she starts.
>>14424415>no superchat reading>sometimes turns off SCsSC culture is cultivated like Coco, Lamy and Rushia. You can't just turn it on when needed on big events
>>14424332Where are all these nijiwatchers normally? If this is the combined power of their numbers, they should be able to seriously threaten holo supremacy if they watched their preferred niji on the regular. Or is it because they are more spread out since there are more nijis, or more casual watchers that only care about big events?
Saw a clip of Pewdiepie's members stream on YT, and someone actually asked him if what he think about vtubers and he said he didn't give a fuck. What they should tell him is what he thinks of Hololive because I'm pretty sure Hololive has all the important metrics now than common vtubers.
>>14424519Spread out and casual. Probably actually have sex in real life unlike idol worshipers
>>14424519nijifags alway claim hololive is tourist central when in reality they can only get big numbers during these tournaments and events
>>14422315Chloe is trying real hard with her cute act, asking people to subscribe and in general just cultivating masses of gachikoi. She goes in toooo hard for me but its good.
>>14424536And...we give a fuck about pew why????
>>14424536I'm glad these type of people lost interest.
>>14424555Year old cope
>>14424536Pewd should just graduate. Dude has lost his drive for a while now
>>14424614He is a gura fan so his child playlist recommended pewdiepie
>>14424332nah it wont. it will peak at 120k-130k at best. 20-30% increase from last years like koshien
>>14424536>>14424623Its not like he was ever particularly interested in them. Either the vtuber themselves did stuff related to him or viewers just recommended clips for him to watch. (Ai, Rin, etc).
>>14423496Reddit duck BTFO
Low effort shitpost is still low effort shit, kys.
was this the waiting room last reveal? if it is it's not looking good teammates
>>14424431And even sadder when compared to Mori having over 500k yen before the stream
>>14424519They get quite a big CCV if you combine all the ongoing streams, not as good as Hololive but still decent. Nobody here cares about them here though, and combined CCV is usually not good enough to shitpost.
>>14424614Pewds actually had a hand making vtubers popular before. Kizuna Ai, Siro, Shizuka Rin. But those 3 didn't capitalize on the sudden surge of viewers. He probably didn't know that Vtubers, especially Hololive blew up over the past year judging from his response. Generally, he wouldn't care about vtubers but he's probably not informed of Hololive in particular yet. Like ludwig, if one of these top YT/Streamers notices Hololive and reacts to them, it'll turn into a surge of tourists turned fans for ENs or JPs. Free exposure is always welcome.
>>14424749People are starving for big events. 200k is not impossible.
>>14424804Agreed. Why is Ame also getting Kiara numbers? Wtf is going on?
>>14422104One thing is perfect match between voice and characterJust look at the most recent example that is La+ and compare her to YomiEven if both are in small company, I'm certain that with a design like La+ she would have done much better
>>14424505They need more member in order to fill the hours and activate the funneling card. But this time, just open audition all year long like JP so they can scout one or two talent without a backlash, insted of search through tons of trannies applying for jokes and "experience"
So JP ame funelling to EN ame?
>>14424869Ame was always lower than Kiara on the SC peaking order of Myth
>>14424761Reddit bros what do we do? Our Duck is getting mogged.
>>14424935Hard doubt. She's still going strong without no stopping.
Subaru just told everyone about Ame's outfit reveal.
Stop replying to yourself schizo. Subaru has a casual 20k on a talk stream.
>>14424862If Pekora snags the top 1 female streamer title(which is impossible). It will probably cause few heads to turn into hololive's direction
>>14425013Sasuga duck...you will always have my respect
>>14424145>EN>stream
Ame before start : 20,015
>lappy-chan streaming over ENwhore outfitbased
This thread always, every time complain about enschizo and other vtuber schizo, but ignored the fact that the entire thead is nijischizo. Nijisanji wins gold one day instead, entirely ignore the milestone thread and post hololive again instead, shitposted the nijisanji when someone bringed nijisanji numbers but then discuss midget numbers like amelia instead if it's hololive. Is this the numbres thread or hololive general? I think we all know this answer.
>>14425013JPsenpai love ame. That's her good karma for playing with my girl RBC
>>14425103she's ending soon
>>14423134Isn't Miko Hololive's second stringer? What happened?
damn duck just told people to go to ame and didnt overlap 1 minute
>>14424919Dunno, I liked Yomi’s design. It was not the best but it had SOUL, it was also a nice way to promote her unity with Yuki, they had kind of matching designs and it was the shtick of their group. She’s streamed with PNG for half a year though, her PC was bad or something else happened, don’t really remember.
>>14425177Sasuga veteran funneling
>>14425146Shit up enschitzo
>>14425177JPs know how to help those who collab with Mel and Roboco
>Ame>Getting superchatsBarely does superchat readings, only does them because teamates begged for supa Sunday, 1/4th of her streams probably arent even monetized, no attempt to bait superchats. Unsurprisingly she's going to be at the bottom along with Ina nost likely
>>14424934Would be great if we have the data to know when did JP starting to form the funnel system, I know Choco spamming streams in her early days to fill the gap when no one is available to stream.
>>14425040Yeah, that's the thing but my god, amouranth is playing fucking dirty. Pekora would always be #2 at this point.
>>14425146Nice try gen5schizo
Just passed Kiara's numbers, kek.
Danchou please end your stream...
60k-70k max
>Google amouranth>Some 3dpd whoreLiterally who fucking cares?
>>14425146Nice try
Did JP Ame even mentioned the new outfit reveal? I thought she was one of the good one in the new gen....
>>14425146ONE gold in a month where Holo took other 9 golds is nothing compared to a record breaking monetization stream where it even got to the top 10 most superchatted stream of all time.>midget numbersAme is not getting midget numbers, it's a fucking outfit reveal. And lurk more, ESL, the name Selen appears way more times than she should considering her (comparatively) small numbers.Come back when Niji gets good numbers during Koshien month.
based on my calculations, this will peak at 65k
>>14425381The time Kiara and Ina are doing is dogshit, and was the last time they did it. For Ina it's when she always streams and she doesn't care about numbers. She wants the people who normally watch her to be able to watch her. For Kiara it's as late as she's willing to stay up.
>>14425509Nope. She's stretching right now about to end.
>>14421593>Literally suppachats only count when it's Holo winningHow embarrassing
>>14425509anon literally read the thread. subaru mentioned in her zatsu and iroha is finishing her stream now
>>14425509She's doing cooldowns. She's probably ending soon.
I think she can get 80k.
>>14425509Bussy doing her physic reps desu gozaru, purisu understangozaru
30k get.
>>14425146You clearly weren't here when Niji tourney won the gold and a lot of lurking shitposters showed up. It was just outshined completely by the other milestone Chloe reached the same day which is, arguably, more impressive since she got it herself. During Chloe's stream all the niji posters disappeared. I wonder why?
NijiEN lost 1000 viewers combined when Ame started her stream
>>14425754From where? All I see is 200 from Nina and 400 from Finanna went to Rosemi
>>14425040You make it sound like Pekora going to singlehandedly decide Hololive's fate lol
>>14425754Nina lost like 50 people, Finana actually lost a lot, like 700 or so.
>>14425583I know you dwell in this shithole so long that you don't even remember what's the meaning of a joke anymore, but it's a joke.
>>14425754holoEN's waiting room
>>14425953Elira lost 250 I think, Reimu actually didn’t flinch at all.
>>14422664yeah I don't think it's within their capability, you know how things are with logistics recently.
146k Yen... Ame...
>>14426137Ame doesn't care to reliably leave up and read supers? She doesn't get them on outfits. Simple as.
>>14426057Anyone who's gonna bother to watch Reimu is probably in it for the long haul. If Petra is Niji Anya then she's the Niji Lofi.
Meanwhile Laplus is streaming on Twitcasting on her other account, 600 viewers. People aren’t even hiding now…
>>14425754Unironically I think they just went to Rosemi, she basically advertised herself in the collab stream earlier.
>>14423620when hskw who she helped in 2019-2020 is now more popular than her with much less views, you know something went wrong.
>>14426268Source?
>>14425177Reddit Duck knows she can't beat Ame so she isn't even going to try.
>>14426194This is just completely and utterly heartbreaking. I was expecting more from this in SC numbers.
>>14425146It's obviously very biased to hololive and unofficial tribalfag thread.
>>14426137Does she even get a decent SC every month?
>>14426458didnt she get her SC disabled cause she just didnt turn them on for so long? this isnt too surprising
>>14421408>picgroup kaibutsu cover?
>sub 50k in 15 minsyeah she's not beating her peak last time
>>14426512>It's obviously very biased to hololivewhy do you retards do this? this thread kneels to big numbers and it's not hololive's fault that nijisanji hasn't put up big numbers besides yesterday.
>>14426212Ironically there was a Reimu-Iofi thread weeks ago
40k
>>14426649>mock them when you win, play victim when you lose
What's Ame previous number again?
>>14426649nijisanji "won" and it still focused on hololive. the thread in general always cheer about holo as well. not sure why you guys just don't admit that lol
>>14426753the holo screams as he strikes you
>>14426615No one is beating their peak. Ame actually way overperformed last time because of her "chat plays Pokemon" gimmick.
You can conduct an airline hijacking with a knife
>>14423134Irys, my poor Irys...
>>14426797you weren't even here when the niji mario kart thing was climbing
>>14426386This is the account of the person in Laplus.>https://twitter.com/NKOK_15
>>14426797Why can't you accept Hololive has more english speaking fans
40k at 20 minutes mark is not so bad, right?
>>14426792101k
>>14426797Record breaking monetization stream>one gold, especially when Holo had a 18 win streak before this.Not to mention Chloe beat Toya's live viewers in sheer SC dollars
>>14426797Holy playing victim? Keep it up LMAO
>>14426797people cheer for the hero when the villain wins
>>14426797There are very few actual Nijisanji fans here, or on this board in general, or among English speaking vtuber fans. Those that exist are generally fans only of Nijisanji English and most of those are also Hololive EN fans. Is this what you wanted to hear? Do you understand the truth now?
actually surpassing her old peak isn't impossible at this rate.
More than 10k still watching Iroha at superchat while not funneling to Ame.Sugoi...
>>14423134>Subaru is actually more popular than Miko now
>>14426914She got funneled, but it's good.
>>14426846Actually people started filtering out because the segment took way too damn long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vDc_AtM7bkPredict Moomer's first test score.
>Kiara is trending on twitterDo KFP really
>>14427072All me btw
>>14426797but I even said congrats and well done to you guys...
>>14427046Face it anon they won't pass their first outfit numbers, not even Gura. Mark my cock
I apologize for the KFP. I doubted their gachi status, when in reality, Ame is taking the low blow in SCs.
Will Kiara beat Ame today?Is Ame the new Kiara without the supas
>>14427046No, she's far, far behind.She was at 60k 20 minutes in.IMO she peaks at ~70k at this rate.
>>14427217Nijniggers want you to suck their dick too anon.. dont you understand?
>>14427293Unless people start showering her with akas after the reveal, maybe Ame wins.. Maybe.
>>14426902I wasn't convinced at first, but once I heard her laugh I believe now. She really is a NEET mentality who lives online lol
>>14427308Anon Mori was at the same level back in her reveal stream, she'd probably peak at the same level
>>14426914I can and I do accept it, I began with hololive and then got into nijisanji as well. I'm just saying what I observe in here.>>14427043Considering niji jp clips get over 50k depending on the clipper, I would say there's a lot more actual nijisanji fans than that. NijiEN also is a big mix of fanbases. I don't think you have had much contact with nijisanji fans on discord and twitter which is where most of them are.
>>14427357Viewership wise I meantKFPcucks are always willing to pay Kiara, now that she had tech difficulties they're taking out loans right now so they can shower her
>>14426902(You) haven't been removed. That means it's fake.
>>14427046Numbers will be down 40-50% all across the board.
Ina and Gura's outfit is tomorrow, right?
>>14427137low 4k (actual)but lex is probably gonna play dumb and purposely score 1337
>>14427447I mean I click on Vshoujo clips but I sure as shit don't actually watch Vshoujo. I wouldn't correlate fans with clips too strongly.
>>14427493Ame's looking way better than what Kiara had for herself today. Homie was still 20k with 15 minutes in...
>>14427589yes, be prepared for the rhombus
>>14427177You sound upset, anon.
>>14427247Reminds me when chumbuds thought Gura's 3D debut would beat Coco. The HoloEN recline is super real. It's so over. NijiEN friends were right.
>>14427072HoloX has been draining viewers from EN since its debut.Funnily enough, they seem to be have buffed the entirety of the JP branch.It kinda makes sense since they made it so the difference in effort and talent became apparent between them and their EN counterparts.
>>14427633If Gura actually gets less than Ina I will cry tears of joy
>>14427501It’s actually her, mods just don’t do their job
>>14426857Megaman + Shill stream gives low views for 2/4 that this is based off of and poor girls been too sick/busy to do her regular Karaoke. Can only hope all the effort will be worth it once the new album drops. Tbh, her numbers have slightly dropped since the daylight savings change since shes now always overlapped by Subaru/Pekora or members of council - I wouldn't worry longterm as she still has a consistent audience in the time slot despite the competition and just needs a major event like an outfit update to show the general audience how much she changed since debut. ~Irystocrat
>>14427745lol
>>14427394Take a look at her Fanbox.She is asking for 10,000 yen to become a mutual follower on Twitter.A true Japanese Menhera LMAOhttps://watashi15.fanbox.cc/plans
>>14427493Genius Kiara double the SC
>>14427745>Do Takeks reallyhalu GWS
Ame 30 min : 48,290
>>14427745Those 3 million subs WILL do their one job.
>>14427745>this is what takodachis really think
>>14427501kek meidos don't check every thread
>>14427667Holy Kek what is this argument? 3D debut? Is this how retarded Nijikeks make a narrative?
>>14427667>Gura's 3D debutwhat timeline did you slip in from?
>>14427819>Megaman + Shill streambad for ccv vut good for money, though
>>14427833jesas
>>14427745that would be an anomaly which kinda fits gura's numerical existence...
>>14427607Most of hololive audience are the ones watching clips though, and vtubers in general. Ironically, considering the format changed from videos to streams.I know chronoir fans who basically watch clips of them to understand the context and go to the jp streams be it live or vod. Nijisanji main discord has like 15k members right now, and going a bit outside of nijisanji, even 774 has its own discord with about 1k. Vtuber activity is mainly yt, twiter and discord, with holo having also reddit as a very active community.
>>14427821>>14427858>>14427907>>14427911Not a takodachi, just hoping people learned from her last outfit stream it will be utter shit.
>>1442815015k people online?
>>14427999It was wishful thinking after Coco shattered Gura's outfit reveal.>>14427985I'm not a nijinigger. I'm just laughing at numberfag chumcunts. I love hololive but HoloEN has really reclined.
50k a little over the 30min markshe's about 10k lower than mori was at this point
>>14427833Smart brat....Gotta keep farm those gachis
50k get.
>>14427833I find that kinda hot. Damn i'm fucked up mentally
Kiara has really fucked this whole outfit reveal up.It was planned to have Big numbers, Mori first, then shit numbers with Kiara, then Amelia's Numbers would look good in comparison, then shit with Ina and finish off with the Biggest Numbers on Gura.Now its going to look like Good Numbers, two shit numbers stream in a row then Great numbers then finish it off with the shittest of the shit numbers.This is the three biggest fuck up from Kiara they should just graduated her, or put her in Council so the Myth average doesn't tank
>>14428182did you even saw the absolute state of chumbuds in the last couple of days? specially after mori's outfit reveal? they are full of hopium, it is guaranteed that they will be there if only to see their oshi being murdered by the rigger nigger again
Yagoo, now I believe.
>>14427833No way
>>14428284but gura hasn't got 3d and no one has ever genuinely posted saying anyone is beating coco's graduation if that's what you're referring to
>>14427501lol
NOTHING BEATS ROCK
>pollthis should be interesting
Alright boys and gals, play nice, looks like someone decided to clean up all the doxshit you were spreading around.
>>14427833I’d pay
get in Ame's stream numberbros she doing polls!!!
Putting tribalfaggotery aside, what i fear of the recline is en viewers getting bored of vtubers in general like the usual fad. It is not looking good for the en scene in general. How do you even save it?
>ENTER LA CREATIVIDAD!!!!
>>1442872844k votes in 1 minuteMan, this really just makes me shake my head wrt the goddamn CCV
>>14428797Bring back stricter COVID restrictions
>>14428797unironically colab more outside of the holo circle, it will bring more people in
>>14428150Impressive numbers for 774 actually.
>>14428797the EN scene is still a niche and not part of the culture like the JP side of vtubing, this must always be on your head
>>14428797It's just like Anime here in the west, it took almost 2 decades for anime to be somewhat mainstream. It's going to take some time before Vtubing isnt seen as something only weirdos/creeps watch
Okay, watson...I kneel for your creativity
>>14429026Met....
fastest board on 4chan baby
No wonder Yagoo and JP branch likes AmeActually good outfit reveal stream
>wait did we winkek ame
60k
Ame with all her power...
1 minute45k votes60k watching
Ame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>14428797The novelty wore off for most people a while ago. Technology needs to advance again to the point they could do more kayfabe stuff and have it be believable.
>>14429225Mori's spotlight thing was really good as well. Much better than her previous reveals.
Wtf is she actually undressing
I am happy that Ame reached 60K and it still looks like it can climb a bit more but what a fucking decline from almost 102K from her first outfit.What was Mori's decline again?
For the en branch honor and glory! Let's go ame!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>14429345I find it interesting how YouTube polls have such a higher engagement rate than the ones on Twitch, I often see Twitch poll fail to hit 50% viewer engagement
Like 55.5k votes in 3 minutes on a 62.9k CCV stream. Whatever you fucking say, Susan.
>>14428797good
>>14429543probably cuz twitch counts viewers tabbed out
>>14428545Chumbuds really were hurt by Coco's numbers.
60k was what I thought it would peak but cmon Ame 70k get
>>14428797Create decent content? And actually stream at consistent times? Throw away the fucking schedules, set a time and stream at that time every day. It's not hard.
>>14428797stream
>>14429614anon at this point I'm pretty sure they live rent free in your head
>>1442952746k drop off
>>14429454I've been saying vtubing is actually very limiting compared to being a traditional streamer. Only good thing is that it hides your face. Streaming yourself taking a shit as a vtuber is just sounds. Lotion wrestling? Just a bunch of models wobbling around. Even react streams are worse because an attractive anime face can't be as variable as a real human face.
Participation isn't even 100%What a blunder.
EN is dying. It's indisputable at this point
>>14429610To add to that, I used to open up some twitch streams for friends just to give them an extra view and I'd do other stuff. Hop back in here and there. I figure youtube pretty much tracks if someone is actively viewing
67k
70k
Can she get the 70K? Ame please...
70k get
70k GET!!!!
>>14429921EN is fine nijinigger
>>14429652The Among Us collab as well as the collabs during Halloween were good, tho I was not a fan of them goofing off with the shark/frog models like most people.
Whats taking them so long to reveal? Gen 5 did theirs in under 20min
>>14429910>87% participationthe recline is real holosisters...
70k get for La Creatividad
>>14429921This is true, only 70k for the 2nd lowest watched Myth member
>>14430050gotta use those hashtags for the outfit predictions for something
wait a minute since when did Ame have boobs this big?
>>14430050Gen 5 were 30 minutes total weren't they?
I feel so bad for whatever rhoomba dress Gura will get tomorrow after seeing Ame's
Did they make her tits bigger?
>The jiggle on Ames titsNice rigging
Come on guys, ready to sc ame pls...she really being creative for this at least
>>14430231Their tits keep getting bigger.
>>14430260She is gonna be EN Aqua every update we go up a cup
74.5k peak
>>14430110>only 70k>only
>>14430026HoloJP confirmed Nijisanji
74k, but I feel it's inclining?
Not as good as Cali's outfit. Now I can start worrying about the other outfits.
Next time they should do a two hours stream, stretching every single thing, maybe they’ll get 100k.
>>14430413>Superchatting someone who hates reading what you wroteWhy bother?
74.5k was the peak
Final peak, most likely.
68K now?
>>14427833reps>¥500/month>オタク限定Twitterアカウント相互フォロー!
>>14430520Nah that's the peak already down to 70k
Oof. Said that too soon.
74k.Anything topping this today? Is this the gold of the day?
Dang, why people already leaving the stream...she say there's more
>>14430520no it';s an outfit reveal, it always drops after the reveal.
>>1443049630k decline from her last costume reveal, less than half of what the HoloX debuts got. Remember EN was supposed to be the biggest Hololive branch according to its fans, Amelia has 1.5 million subscribers.
>>14430836because people are there because of the outfit, not the extras
Any other NijiEN fan think that 74k is very beatable and not a certain gold? Most golds this month have been higher.
>>14430529Mori's outfit got the VOD demonetized for being too sexy
>Mori 1st) 135,5272nd) 89,823---------------45,704>Ame1st) 101,8432nd) 74,496---------------27,347
>>14430836Some viewers are just there for the outfit and don't care about the streamer that much, it's always like that.
>Ame trendingGood job, Teakeks. Good numbers.
>>14430789Kiara has a chance still. Tech difficulties sympathy may buff her
>Amelia beauty mark on her titwow booby
thank tower
What's the excuse now? There's no overlap.
>>14430997She's not doing her stream today.
>>14430972use % anon chama
>>14430836People that don't watch Ame and just wanted to see the design.
>>14430918> ratioDamn, bro. How can these corpo chuubas compete?
>>14430627Whore? Whore
>>14430875I know, thought, she'd get to 75k since youtube when to shit..
I forsee alot of sex in the coming days
>>14430958as a NijiKR fan, oh definitely
>>14430918Being a monopoly distorted the numbers. Clearly having more competitors decrease their numbers
>>14430930Funny you say that, one of the few times an outfit reveal has inclined after the initial reveal was when Subaru showed her long hair/twins tails.
>>14430836THE outfit reveal is always the peak, then people leave.
>>14430505nijinigger
>>14430972Better use %, Ame still remains relatively higher though
>>14431023Massive viewer cull, see: >>14429557>>14430050No one wants to watch gen 5 in the first place, they had like 50k midget costume reveal numbers
>>14430231>>14430260Nabi's been into titties recently
So, down 27% for Ame. (74.5k vs 101k)Mori was down 35% but had harsher overlaps. I'm gonna say that Ina and Gura are going to be down 25-35% from their previous peaks then. Ina : 60-65k (It POTENTIALLY might be higher if only because it's a weekend and thus people aren't at work, but I'm keeping my expectations low)Gura: 135-140k, but I'm docking another 10% for lack of activity on her channel over the past few days. She's streamed on other channels and done 2 members streams this month too, but YT algo probably gonna be unkind to the stream itself due to a lack of activity on the channel itself.
>>14430972>>14431101>Mori 33% decrease>Ame 26% decrease
>>14431012Thanks towa...
>>14431389Since Miko is Niji now, yes
Holy... SHE'S GOING TO PASS KIARA.
why she has to say it....now people are gonna leave the stream....
>>14431129>Point out there's been a decline in absolute numbers>WTF BRO RATIO???You're retarded. Also pointing out level of subs compared to viewership is entirely valid unless you think Kizuna AI is more popular than Hololive?
GIGA PUDDI
>>14431546>but YT algo probably gonna be unkind to the stream itself due to a lack of activity on the channel itself.that doesn't feel right, I know channels that only upload monthly that never fails to pop up on my front page whenever they do.
>>14431566considering mori had overlaps, i would say it makes sense...
Just noticed mori outfit reveal is 800k already even whike restricted.I wonder how much ame will get.For comparision marine has hers at 1M after 4months
>>14431519>muh cull
>>14431519Ame's first outfit is also post cull.
>>14431274I've already finished
>>14431546Gura gets so many autosubs every single day, whether she streams or not, there's no such thing as "negative algorithm bias" for her channel.
>>14431566Gura will probably only get 140kA really dark day in the world of HoloEN.
/vt/ is on top.
>>14431831how do we save /pol/ bros...
>>14431684> thinking subs have anything to do with CCV> calling others retards
Based on Mori and Ame's numbers.Gura will get around 120kIna will get around 70kKiara will get around 60k(due to funnel & sympathy for wrecked pc)
Passed Kiara with computer/stream problems.
>>14431831/pol/ mogged
>>14431755Better comparison was Mori's and Ame's previous reveals. Mori certainly has more reach, 1.3 mil vs Ame 915k.
>>14431900We don't
>>14431900Need another mass shooting or black killed in usa
¥500k get
>>14431274SEEEEEEXXXXXX
>>14431900By having another controversial trial
Damn, Mori is even more impressive now when you consider how she had like all of holoX streaming plus FBK plus a ton of other JP holos whereas for Ame only Degozaru, Noel, and Choco were streaming.
did other EN girls shill for these outfit streams?
>>14431983Taiwan is #2 for the JP girls and the ENs. Is that real Taiwanese or a mix of them and mainland chinks with VPNs?
>>14432132Gozaru actually stopped before her final reveal.
>>14431726I'll be honest, I'm unsure how YT treats livestreams WRT the algo, except that you're more likely to get recommended if you're live. I do know what you're saying though, things like Terminalmontage who puts out one animation once in a while, etc.But again, YT algo with livestreams is probably slightly different than normal vods when they're live.
>>14431983damn from $17k drop to $4.4k
>Long haired Ame>Mole on her massive titsHoly shit I don't think I'm ever going to be able to stop myself from cooming when Ame streams from now on.
Kiara got mogged by Ame in SC
>>14431755It will take a month for Mori to reach 1M views in that outfit reveal, Wish she didn't jiggle her chest so much that YT got triggered LMAO
>>14432132A lot of Japs tabbed over to her to see the reveal part.
¥600k get
>>14432251You realize how sad it is to barely pull ahead of Kiara who didn't even reveal her outfit, right ?
>>14432194probably a mix of both, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's mostly real taiwanese. Hololive is basically two steps away from becoming their state religion after the chinkout.
600K Yen for Ame
>>14432336nope KIARA MOGGED LOL
>>14432251>Kiara got almost the same as ame in one scuffed stream>Not counting the folow up of her cryingEgg...let it go
>>14432194Many Taiwanese start watching Holo because of Myth and Chink GTFO.
Why are you guys here shitting on HoloEN but so quiet outside of 4chan?Shouldn't we give them hell where they can see?
>>14432194definitely mostly taiwanese, won't be surprised if some mainland chinks are mixing in though. there's a fuckton of tw cosplayers/artists/clippers + they're the ones who keep buying ads on buses for those holo anniversaries
>>14432336Sympathy supers anon, crying gets you sympathy supers ffs
>>14432336Kiara had to have her stream go bad for her to get that amount, Anon. That's how low her SCs were.
>>14432410
>>14432311I know I did. The streams themselves are boring. Showing people drawing what they think the outfits are doesn't interest me either. Ame had that RPS gimmick but ehhh.
>>14432410>It's too late to twit it now gozaru..https://twitter.com/kazamairohach/status/1469501613018861568?t=6UaXdvvXIkgENdmN-jMHUg&s=19
>>14432251>250 ARS
Why are ENfags coping about Mori's VOD views when it's twice as long as Marine's? Mori even had a mini concert where she sang LO-FI covers of her songs
>>14431787The cull has gotten worse recently if you track EN's CCVs
Laplus moved to her main to twitcast now lol https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1469501704383365121
>>14431274She looks like calli friend, milk something
>>14432477Found the Holostarfag.
>>14432311Almost certainly yes, so the overlaps didn't hurt AS much, but yea, 25-35% drop across all outfit numbers, although Kiara moving it to Sunday for NA will probs mean the timeslot debuff will be less harsh. Ina: 60-65kGura: 130-140kKiara : 50-60k (Pity buff, better day buff)
>>14432600Sure, every EN decline means a cull
>>14432477>breaking containmentkys
>>14432616Yeah I was thinking they'll same Milky Queen
>>14432607l-lapu chan you did enough take a break..
>>14432607why doesnt she just do a normal stream
>>14432477Ya stupid faggot, go get banned on your own and neck yourself while you're at it.
>>14432703Fuck off ENschizo
>>14432754Because she can twitcast with just her phone
¥650k get
>>14431935There's a clear correlation between subs and viewers which isn't surprising since you'd expect people to subscribe more to the streamers they actually watch. When a channel goes against this trend it's a sign of decline, again Kizuna AI's channel being a prime example of many dead subs of people who have moved on to watch other things. CCV and subscribers will grow hand in hand when a channel is inclining, CCV will decrease in relation to subscribers when a channel is declining.
>>14432607when is she going to abandon her 2 viewer streamer mindset? I respect the hustle but she doesn't need to constantly put herself out there anymore now that she made it into the big league.
>>14432782I'm not asking for EN to graduate, hence the name doesn't even apply. I'm just saying, stop coping, EN has declined a bit and it's not the result of culling
>>14432737>>14432754Comfy to be in bed and chat. I really am convinced she is a loser like me
>>14432600Maybe, and stay with me here, EN is...reclining?
>>14432022Does playboard/holostats still have th vod growth of both reveals?
>>14431819No way, barely above 100k
>>14432780I mean, if you're afraid of a little ban, aren't you just trolling and not hating them for real?
>>14432901She wants to since she likes it?
>>14432901She and Chloe are HUNGRY and DRIVEN. Which I respect. Not my favourites from Gen 6 but they're on the grind.
>>14432852anon, that's subs and VODs, not CCV. More to the point, by that definition every Holo is reclining because despite breaking past one million for over half of them the CCV for your average stream has remained stable at 30k
>>14432901Either she still want to make some extra money or she preparing just in case any yab that will cause her to graduate later..
>>14432901No, this is right. You want to go hard for the first month, you can dial it back to 4-5 streams a week once you've firmly stabilized your viewership, especially for these gals who aren't doing idol reps rn.
>>14433034IF she gets to 100k. We were expecting Ame to hit 75k easy.
>>14432950
Meanwhile Polka is showing off her Christmas costume with little fanfare.
>>144327154chan anon afraid of breaking containment? 4chan playing by the rules? Wait, seriously? This is not the 4chan I know.
>>14432912>anon literally cannot comprehend first outfit buff +golden week buffYou're just fucking retarded
>>14432852> You have to improve all metrics. If one metric doesn't improve, then you are reclining.This anon actually believes this.
>>14432901Work extremely hard your first month and be set for life.
>>14432901she's not council.
>>14433146holostats records its pain in the ass to check every numberfag site to scrape higher peak.
>>14433179Caring about context while understanding a decline has occured is for numberchads.Meanwhile we're filled to the brim with numberniggers and shitposters. >>14433173Containment breaking for interesting shit is one thing, containment breaking to be a sperging idiot makes you a goddamn SEAmonkey.
>>14433072I actually respect this Asian mentality. I don't why many Western women are so lazy though. If I was their boss, I would fire the lazy ones and dare them to file a lawsuit.
>>14433179Now you're switching arguments from "muh cull"?Yes that makes more sense, but still it's a noticeable decline and golden week is for nips anyway>first outfit buffis barely proven. Marine only got a little less for her swimsuit outfit than her last one despite one being post cull and the other pre cull.I said "a little", don't be so mad.
>>14432852>CCV and subscribers will grow hand in hand when a channel is incliningLiterally untrue for most holos, come to your senses
>>14432901And ended up like council? lmao
>>14432950>>14433146Gura's stream is one hour earlier for NA, but I think she's matching it with the Eastern region.
>>14433216Dead subs are of no value if they're not watching your content. Simple fact. A fact EN fans might not like but fact all the same. People are not watching EN content any more.
>>14433378This. They lost because of that anon's suggestion
>>14433343Don't fucking lie to yourself, if you had a western person acting like either of these two you'd call them a money-grubbing whore
>>14433332Kek, you're a coward. And you will never achieve anything worthwhile in your life.
When did Ramirez incline past Botan?
>>14433414So you're just going to ignore >>14433079>>14433347to further your shitposting?
>>14433445Why does the world have double standards like this? We are so retarded as humans
>>14433445You're just scared of money. People should get their bag and keep working for more.
>>14432901kys. She's doing it because she loves it. Not Laplus' problem if she's making Council look like a bunch of cynical coattail riders in it for easy cash
>>14433216They've dropped in almost every metric. HoloEN is reclining. This much is obvious. Why argue it? Feel lucky it is converging onto a reasonably high mean instead of heading to the dirt.
>>14433345>Now you're switching arguments from "muh cull"?I was never arguing that, because their last outfit was post cull too.
>>14432901They will have less time to stream once the sponsorship and idol reps start coming in. This is the way. It's not like she does long streams anyways.
>>14433539Do you have any proof?
>>14433495They're wrong? VOD views correlate to CCV as well and Kizuna's CCV has been shit for months? Muh VOD views is just a chumbud cope that doesn't really matter anyway since we're comparing them as live streamers, not Youtube content creators who upload videos.
>>14433414I think Western IRL streamers are getting more interesting. And also a lot of HoloEN members have been losing morale lately to be honest. The tech issues as well as travel restrictions are taking a hold of their mental state. Realistically speaking, I think Cover can have one more EN gen before calling the whole thing off. That is to say one or two EN members might leave if they see things a little too difficult to handle.
funny that hololives highest streak was during the fashion week.21 days streak
>>14433592Apart from the fact HoloEN can barely break into the daily streams over 10k list at all for the past few months?
>>14433663>Dead subs are of no value because they are not watching your content>VOD views doesn't count as watching your content.
Are we doing CCV vs VODs again? Can we just settle it in one big argument and end this timeloop forever?
>>14433663>CCVschizos
>>14433663> Numbers don't matterI thought the sour posters already left, but there's a new batch coming in.
>>14433451
>>14433663>Muh VOD views is just a chumbud cope that doesn't really matter anyway since we're comparing them as live streamers, not Youtube content creators who upload videos.Lmao literally "it doesn't matter because I choose not to count it"
>>14433766It never should be an argument in the first place, numberniggers have literally gone from "CCV are more valuable than VODs", which is already tenous to begin with on youtube, to "VODs don't matter because it's a chumbud cope", which is flat out retarded.
>>14433766This shit started after Mori's outfit reveal happened so expect it to happen again
>all these seethingIs this because Nijiniggers are irrelevant nowadays or do we actually have ENfags seething because EN is on a recline ever since Coco left?
>>14433782>Chumbuds getting BTFO every day for months>Pivot to calling people who track relative view numbers "CCV schizos"Listen if Gura switches to Twitch then your cope disappears instantly. Nobody measures Twitch streamers by archive views and the reason should be relatively obvious? Top female streamers doesn't measure by VOD views of course it measures by hours viewed. Why? Think about it.
People in this thread don't work so they don't know that grindset mentality.You work hard = You gain successesYou don't work = You are a filth to societyHoloEN is mainly used to the culture of the West, which discourages hard work. HoloJP, on the other hand, fully embrace positive work ethics, something I strictly follow. I would gladly work 13 hour day to help my company gain a profit.
>>14433592I don't want to make the graph pretty but the slope of the trend line is about 280 viewers per month since the cull, or about -2.12%. That's not great, they've lost more than 25% of their audience since the cull.
>>14433973Both.plus shitposters and schizos
>>14433928>Come into number thread>"Waaaaah numberniggers don't care about the only metric that makes my oshi look halfway decent!"
Bro, the HoloJPs are asking us to watch their older videos, especially their songs.I thought VOD views don't matter...Imagine listening to anonymous takes on /vt/...
>>14433995yeah and if I was born in rome I'd be the pope. You don't get to discount an entire metric just because you don't like it
>>14433995And if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bike. What the fuck are you even trying to say?
>>14433973EN fags have been getting annihilated for months now and have turned to pretending that EN are actually competing with Mr Beast as Youtube content creators and not HoloJP as live streamers for some reason
Don't let the ENschizo distract you from the fact that Polka is revealing a new costume to only 4k, if anyone should graduate it's gen 5.
>>14433973Coco is now doing things like help the whole vtuber industry reach more casuals. Of course viewers will watch more interesting indies than sterile corporate "idols".
>>14434065>Come into numbers thread>We shouldn't talk about these numbers because they make my enemy look good
Lets rename /vt/ to /vl/ (Virtual Livers). Ai is dead.
>>14434065>subs>VOD>highest CCV record>songs reach 1 million the fastest>membersAh yes the *only* metric. Or could it be that you just place more emphasis on some of the metrics she specifically doesn't excel in? Could it be you're projecting the exact behavior?
>>14434184No one asked them to graduate, and please do not remind me of that abomination of a stream.
>>14433736>>14434028>still sold out all their omocat merch>still has lines full of people waiting to see them at conventionsWhat's more likely, HoloEN are declining or that Susan is just increasing the viewership cull for EN? Hint: if you think the former you're retarded
>>14433995Man, I don't want to live in your head... It's empty in heret.chumbud
>>14434217>Virtual liverswhy not Virtual Lungs?
Besides Gura HoloEN doesn't even do that well on VODs.Also VODs are not great since you only have to watch a second or two to be counted as a view and you can view them multiple times. CCV is the true king.
>>14434137That no serious numberfagger thinks measuring streamers by VOD views is a good idea. First off because it's only really relevant for one platform and Twitch is still the dominant streaming platform in the west. Secondly because Livestreamers are, and always have been, measured primarily based on how many viewers they can get watching them live and for how long. There is literally no reason to change this just because EN are getting destroyed now. If Asmongold was getting 500 viewers to his streams and someone pointed out he's declining and your response was "But look at the views on his youtube clips!" you'd be called a retard and rightly so.
>>14434341>t. CCVschizo
>>14434309>increasing the cull for ENIs the most stupid argument you could possibly make as there's no actual basis to it.
Y'all just stay in here and shout about numbers while those girls are still streaming and still have thousands of fans to make loads of money. Don't you think how....useless to just say all this stuff in here?I don't get it.
I suggest banning all discussions about Japanese vtubers here. They have their own board. The only topic in this thread should be HoloEN.
>>14434154>Mr beastYeah good Luck, that guy literally got 52mil views in A video on one day. They will look even smaller in that department.
>>14432901Maybe she wants to have a loyal fanbase for when the debut buff is gone and she has to compete with other 4 streams most of the time, and the only way to grow (slowly) becomes grinding even harder?
>>14434341>Besides Gura HoloEN doesn't even do that well on VODs.Pekora had 9 million more channel views in November than Gura did but hey. Let them cope.
>>14434356>That no serious numberfagger thinks measuring streamers by VOD views is a good ideaAin't reading the rest of your shit. You refuse to engage with numbers you don't like, I refuse to engage with your retardation. You will continue to seethe about being outnumbered, ccvschizo
>>14433995>Nobody measures Twitch streamers by archive viewsGood thing they're on youtube then huh.
>>14434356Retard, Asmongold streams on Twitch where there's no viewer cull. HoloEN streams on Youtube where the CCV displayed is at least 30%-50% lower than it should be for them, trying to claim that CCVs are a useful metric on Youtube is retarded
>>14434341Look, if you're going to discredit VOD views, at LEAST GET YOUR FUCKING NUMBERS CORRECT.You need at minimum 30s to count as a view on a video over a few minutes long you stupid nigger.
VOD views are still important but it's not a good indication of someone reclining since it's tied with stream length>how about views/time metric?some chuba will have SC readings, making this metric uselessThat's why median CCV and SCs are best indications, and HoloEN is reclining on both
>>14434356>That no serious numberfagger thinks measuring streamers by VOD views is a good ideaSpeak for yourself, I'm sick and tired of you retards discarding an entire dataset because it doesn't suit your narrative.
>>14434452How do you compare vtuber performance between Youtube and Twitch then?
>>14434309Omocat merch sold out due to low stock, scalpers and fans buying multiple items.There could be only 500-1000 of them and you don't even know it.
>>14434309There is a baseline of popularity that HoloEN has. Had that merch collab happened in December of last year it would have sold out even sooner. >increasing the viewership cull for EN?Okay, you're just dumb. Who knew teamates were the real numberfags.
>>14434356> He believes vtubers must only streamWhere's your #1 vtuber company, anon? Surely you can do better than Cover with your business insights!
>>14434341You know, you can cheat CCV by watching a stream on multiple devices.
>>14434395Actual basis is in the numbers. Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation for holoEN's perceived decline in CCV despite their overwhelming popularity outside of Youtube is because Susan is handicapping them even more. Try to keep up.
>>14434491picrel
>>14434469>30%-50%Never that high according to ad block usage around the world. It's around 25% iirc.
I thought shiny hunting was buff but mori can't even break 10k. While fubuki can get 40k shiny hunting with massive overlap.
I thought Gen 5 schizo was lying, but Polka really debuted a costume to 4k viewers.
>>14434565Adblock isn't the only thing Youtube culls, they also don't count viewers from outside the region.
>>14434504I'm not discarding it. I just haven't heard any good arguments why it should be the preferred metric for measuring relative current vtuber popularity
La+ has 10k on twitter
>>14434469Why do EN fans always leave out the part where HoloJP took a 26% cut right after the cull showed up?
>>14434582Reminder that FBK is the real powerhouse with legitimate appeal. Mori is a good singer, but english fans don't like her much for anything else (other than sex).
>>14434554I can, currently managing one right now.
>>14434582Fubuki didn't start with 40k CCV.
>>14434606Even I did not get the memo. What is Polka thinking doing it at this time?
>>14434432
Now that I think about it...I'm not sure is letting ame outfit reveal go third is a good or bad idea...Sure, it will keep people more hyped for the next one but at the same time it will put people at the same or maybe higher expectation for the upcoming one...I hope it wont backfire and lead to people shitpost the next one if it doesnt meet the hype
>>14434645HoloEN took a 100% cut, throwing Gura from 40k to 20k.
Is this how ENschizo hides JP numbers by being retarded because Polka outfit is at 4.1k+ Kek
Did Ame release more schizos than Calli? Imagining the EN power for tomorrow.
>>14434556Here's a simpler explanation: they declined in CCVThat's it. That's literally it.It's gonna get good VOD views anyway.
What happened with Ame's costume reveal? Only 32k views on the vod?
>>14434341Hence all the more reason why we shouldn't discard it. I honestly don't give a rrats ass who's winning, I just don't want the "ignore this metric for bullshit reasons" cope to take hold because it sets a really awful precedent and opens the door to folks like the selennigger to start claiming that NijiEN is number one because they have more SCs.
>>14434639She said she was naked too
>>14434556>Occam's Razor states that the simplest explanation for holoEN's perceived decline in CCV despite their overwhelming popularity outside of Youtube is because Susan is handicapping them even more.Isn't the simplest explanation holoEN's perceived decline in CCV is because less people are interested in watching them?
>>14434510You don't, they're 2 platforms that work differently, count viewers differently, and that have a very different "culture".
enkeks coping lmao
>>14434627lmao
>>14434432Spamming videos is not an indicator of popularity, Gura has a higher average VOD per video.
>>14434668Gura doesn't get bonus points because she's lazy and doesn't make content. Sorry chumbud. It's the Ayame rule.
>>14434719I'm just saying that just because Gura still does pretty good on VODs when she even bothers to stream that doesn't mean HoloEN isn't reclining.
>>14434744>ENschizo blaming EN when Polka is 4k in outfit reveal Kek
>>14434729>less people are interested in watching themThey're more popular than ever, stop focusing on Youtube's fake numbers and take a look outside the bubble for once
>>14434744Expect this same dance on the next outfit reveals lol.
>>14434668But we're comparing VODs on the basis that who's going to earn more money. And it's clear that who's the winner there.It's not like Pekora spams low effort garbage streams. Gura just simply does not stream.
>>14434645Yeah it affects JPs too, even literal 2views but it's not the "five times the viewers voting in poll" cut
>>14434668so in which cases ratio is fine?
>>14434631>I'm not discarding it.your posts say otherwise
You guys have numberot bad you need to go see what some top female twitch streamers get then compare them to hololive en.
>>14434840>They're more popular than everThen why do they struggle to break 10k viewers on a good day?
>>14434729More like there are more alternatives than HoloEN if you want to watch EN vtubers.
Why does this make so many people seethe so hard?
You guys seen this yet?https://vtubereview.wordpress.com/2021/12/10/these-are-the-results-for-the-2021-vtuber-music-awards/
>>14434798Your logic is literally schizo tier shit. So if someone has more streams than Pekora at half the CCV, then they're beating Pekora?
>>14434884Because Susan is cutting their numbers by up to 5x what they should've been, we've been through this hundreds of times.
>>14434846>But we're comparing VODs on the basis that who's going to earn more moneyThen why does CCV matter?
>>14434848>"five times the viewers voting in poll" cutThat only happens when a poll is up for a while. Even Sakura Miko, questionably Japanese, will have polls up for hours that will get 100k+ votes even if she's streaming to 15k-20K
>>14434889If that's the case we'd be seeing an increase in indie ENvtuber viewership across the board but so far that has not been the case
>>14434922Because I'm not the same person who claimed that CCV is everything?
>>14434889JP vtuber scene has far more competition and HoloJP has been on a steep incline for the past few months. HoloJP competes with NijiJp while HoloEN competes with Vshojo. I don't think competition is a valid explanation here
>Laplus mentions 0 about Ame>10k watching twit space>Is being watched by Akasaka AkaBased cunny I kneel
>>14434657Surely you do, anon.And your employees surely appreciate your time investment on /vt/.
>>14434867Ratio is fine for VODs because it's on a per video basis and Susan doesn't fuck with those that much, counting ratio for CCV is retarded because Youtube hides EN's real CCV, it's unfair to compare them directly in a metric where EN has been so obviously crippled by retarded Youtube decisions
>>14434903>HoloEN is reclining>G-GURA STILL DOES GOOD IN THIS ONE METRIC!!!Okay. That is true. It doesn't mean HoloEN isn't reclining since Gura is one of 11.
>>14434906I mean, Amoranth has an average of 8k ccv but she's the top female streamer according to watch time so
>>14434907it was posted here the day it came out touristchama
>>14434969HoloEN vs Vshojo is not even a direct competition.
>>14434667I didn't even know it was today.. What the hell?!
>>14434907It's been posted (But not in english) so we already know what the results are, but this one's in english for EOP, so thanks.
>>14434934We see more ENvtuber debuted though.>>14434969And NijiJP has been on a steep decline.
Remember>VODs don't count >member numbers don't count>subscribers definitely don't count>how popular your songs are doesn't countIt's the CCV only because I hate Gawr Gura and she mogged my JP oshi :(
>>14434921>Because Susan is cutting their numbers by up to 5x what they should've beenIsn't this just EN cope for low numbers? Never seen any evidence for this that couldn't be explained by standard viewer churn. Muh likes. Muh poll votes.
>>14434491>>14434566Seeing as most anon even ignored chart anon, i assume all (you) faggots are falseflagger subhuman
>>14434932Reine...
>>14435070none of which get more than a couple hundred at best so that still doesn't hold water.
>>14435005Yes and? Rushia is the top female streamer according to superchats. It would appear that...different chuubas excel in different metrics and there is no absolutely dominant king/queen...curious
>>14434991>Ratio is fine when I want to use itEN niggers never change
Is this a good time to post this?
imagine if this mogs amehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WELdC0CxYFc
>>14435121Nijisanji En is catching up this month I won't be surpised if Selen beat Sana since she taking an break untill new year.
>>14434934I am pretty sure even EOPs are spreading out to JP indiesThere's someone using English in nearly every chat I was in including <10 viewers ones
>>14435183Ratio is fine when there is a logical reason to use it, cope ENschizo
>>14435114Its just Nijiniggers seething. Anyway, any numer predictions on Matsuri live?
>>14435086Just say that it depends on someone's narrative
>>1443521850k
>>14435199>MatsuriNo. Maybe if she invited Luna, Hoshikawa, and Haachama.
>>1443521835k
>>14435214And the "logical reason" is always when it's used to support EN cope over their shit numbers! How surprising!
ENTER CHIMKEN
>>14435218Last one didn't go that well. She's been abandoned by most hako-oshis. I don't think I'll sacrifice my sleep just to watch it.
>>14435211I wish we had Natori Sana instead, not this one.
Look, leaving aside the retarded EN vs JP slapfest for a moment, can we all agree that >>14434356 is absolutely pants on head retarded
>>14435086>VODsPekora beats Gura in that aspect though. And no, stop it with your average VODs. Pekora is easily earning more from hers due to high VOD views and consistent content.>membersNo actual numbers and it's mostly speculation and from leaks. Gura should win in this aspect though.>subsNot saying that it's worthless, but reminder that Matsuri has 1 mil subs.>songsThat would be Mori but okay.
>>14435269She invited everyone who can dance
>>14434723Sugoi...as a certain bartender once say
>>14434566Guess the ENfags will have to claim Youtube culls superchats now. lmao
Does anyone think conventions will circumvent HoloEN and straight invite HoloJP to appear next year?I will bring better numbers for sure. Like imagine Pekora, Miko or even Chloe at Anime Expo. That shit will be big.
>>14435086What?>VOD views Pekora is still topping this shit. >member numbers don't countNo one knows the exact numbers of members. Unless vtuber themselves show their membership count its not worth discussing. >subscribers definitely don't countAll i can see is dead sub for the majority of hololive at this point. Their sub is increasing but their VOD and CCV isn't really increasing.
>>14435191no fucking way coco only had that much
>HoloEN = Gura onlyWhy are people like this? Gura is less than 5% of HoloEN's streaming output.
>>14435355>Average CCV: Okay to numberfag>AVERAGE VODS DON'T COUNTroru. rumao. this is why this thread is a joke, it isn't actually about numbers, it's just tribalfagging behind numbers
>>14435086VODs is a better metric for comparing EN Vtubers simply for the fact that their fanbase is almost always heterogenous.
>>14435199I'm imagining another holo win for today, beautiful sight.
>>14435355Pekora has more members than Gura, it's proven with member VODs.
Gura's CCV got nerf hard btw
I can't be the only one who watches full vod ever since life is starting to return to normal and i have to work. Not saying en didn't recline but don't exclude vod viewers like me.
>>14435293Falling for someone's false flagging? Since when Did any ENfags said that kek, or you're just distracting yourself because of Polka numbers?
>>14435397At least holoEN has a Gura, gen 5 don't even have anyone who's even Mori-tier lmao
>>14435385Coco, despite her high earnings, never had that large of a fanbase, her core fanbase is mostly 3-4k
>>14435403Can you just get over your inferiority complex you retarded chumnigger. Gura is reclining in every measurable metric.
>>14435403Gura doesn't stream, she's benefiting from the Ayame effect. No one uses average CCV you fucking tourist, it's average peaks.
>>14435446Cuz you're a faggot. Get the fuck out of here.
>>14435339Twitch schizos tend to be like that, yea.
>>14435385A ton of those were just in the last month/stream as a sendoff.
>>14435498>the Ayame effectlol no, even when she streams daily her VOD still grows.
Mori is higher than her previous Pokemon (27 min)
>>14435511>November/December vshojo will pass HoloENThat's a good call. It's actually happened. Vshojo has averaged higher than HoloEN this month
>>14435598Nice, got any numbers to show that?
>>14435446You don't exist, now go ahead and vanish from reality over there okay? We've got some more cope to serve around the entire thread for one reason or another.For real though, I'm about to give up on numbers on the regular and just visit at end of month/events, because the day-to-day quality of the threads has never been lower.
>>14435463
>>14435467And I assume she got a boost from her graduation for this. Consider Suisei and Marine all stated that their members are over 10k this chart looks promising enough to some degree.
>Ame gets 75k for her costume reveal, down 20% from her previous costume>oh no no no no EN reclining they're dead >Polka gets 4k for her costume reveal, down 500% from her previous costume>no one says anythingNot saying there's double standards, but...
>>14435598
>>14435598Really? can you show numbers/graph?
>>14435672Where the fuck are you getting Polka 4k from?
>>14435368Will it? Maybe for the novelty, but EN streaming on EN hours still get more EN audience than JP streaming on EN hours.
>>14435598Last time I saw anything about Vshojo in these threads was that they reclined this month, If they are actually beating HoloEN that's pretty bad for HoloEN
>>14435463>Mori tierIs that supposed to be good?
>>14435672This is just sad
>>14435598Vshoujo is not only vei nyamers and ironmouse you now.
>>14435598Are you doing that thing again where you think vshojo is a three man group?
>>14435598Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>14434907>No kamitsubaki>No Yuni>No Himehina>No Hachi>No EnoguShit list
How can we save the pink cat?She's still in Honeymoon
>>14435779Mori's beating them handily when you account for the cull.
>>14435672HoloJP as a whole hasn't declined. HoloEN as a whole has declined.
>>14435796Sure it is. All you need to do is close your eyes and refuse to take your meds and 'poof', vshojo is now only 3 people. There, you now have the mindset of a schizo, enjoy!
>>14435779Obviously
>>1443521865k max
>>14435796No but vshojo has less members so the others aren't such a drag unlike HoloEN where it's Gura and a bunch of sub 10k streamers she has to try and carry
>>14435881>cull took 26% from HoloJP and 37% from HoloENLamy and Botan would still be ahead.
>>14435881>EN timeslotI'm amazed on Lamy's incline though
>>14435779At least wait 15 min, different start time
I tabbed out to have a wank after Ame's outfit reveal, is there anything worth reading in the last 300 or so posts or is it all just the ccv vs vod retardation?
>>14435960JP wasn't culled, they always have a natural drop around December
>>14434988she was streaming during the reveal lol
>>14435877Hot take:The debut buff is over, these numbers are actually what Rokkisei will get from now on.
Globalfags really aren't coping well with reclining into Niji territory are they
>5,853Honeymoon period is well and truly over
>>14436031full denial
>>14436015Nah, Iroha got 18k on a morning slot while overlapping with Subaru who had 20k, the debut buff is still ongoing
>>14436012>cull works for me but not for thee
>>14435942Really, I want the proof of vshojo beating holoEN then.
>>14435993Might as well come back after the entire EN outfits are revealed since this shit is going on loop
>>14436067Sora is gonna beat her...
>All these falseflagging not even provide numbers anymore>Abayo niggers
>>14436106You can cope as much as you want making shit up about how JP was also culled but denying reality isn't healthy.
Mori: About unarchived karaokes, we can still do them, it will just be a little more work on our end.
>>14435993Nothing in this thread is actually worth reading
>>14435993>EN in a 30% hard recline>only 87% active participation on poll>vshoujo will overtake holoen by december>choco need to shrink her l2d again for proper apex inclinethat's about it i think
>>14436142So we're going to forget that EN also tends to get lower numbers at the end of the year and deny every single previously established fact that everyone got culled just so that you can win that petty argument over 1 stream? Got it.
>>14436015Nah, debut buff is still going and their medians will start dropping a lot now that they're going to do lots of superchat reading streams.
The year is 2023, Koyori is streaming Sonic in front of 6k people, and anons on /vt/ still claim that her debut buff is still on.
Just passed IRyS.