/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

But at this rate, Bae might actually end up being the leader of Council.

>>14147626
>This is three times in a row
Which are...?

>"leader" has to be the most popular one

>>14147626
Ignore the karaoke subs farming and they are literally the same. Also La+ actually talks about fun things besides pretending to be retarded and making funny noises.

It worked for AZKi and IRyS

>>14147626
Leader != most popular.
It depend of the personnality, for exemple never, never will I put gura leader of myth. And I was actually thinking that for this gen, La+ was the best leader possible.

>>14147626
Leader doesn't mean the one with most subs retard. Just look at streams Ame organized or how many times she helped others with tech stuff. Also La+ and Orca are so close it barely matters. She's doing morning talk to 22k people now.

>>14147626
And yet, when people think of FFIV, they first think of Kain, not Cecil...
Just because someone's a "side character" in the party doesn't mean their popularity can't outstrip the "leader's"

>>14147767
I think he's talking about HoloMyth (Amelia Gura), HoloCouncil (Baelz Kronii), and HoloX (Laplus Chloe)
>>14147626
I can't believe you managed to mix lore with numberfaggotry, but I'll play along: it makes sense that the janny has the most power overall, don't you get it?

>>14148050
The fuck? I don't think of Kain. I think of the guy with the cool-ass Batman armor (Cecil).

>>14148085
Kiara Gura.

>>14148177
No, Ame was intended as the leader. Kiara is just the best girl.

>>14147808
>THESE SUBS DON'T COUNT AND LA+ IS ACTUALLY ON TOP BECAUSE...
lol. This is getting sad.

>>14148177
>Kiara Gura
No, Amelia. The central lore of HoloMyth is about an investigator looking for legendary creatures
And if it isn't Ame, I have seen people trying to push Ina, a previously normal girl who became the priestess of a Lovecraftian cult, as the protagonist of HoloMyth

>>14147707
Bae was the leader in her PL

>>14147626
I hope she'll take over Miko's Demon Army in Minecraft.

>>14147707
i feel like mumei could be s better leader

>>14147626
They nailed Ame as the leader of Myth. Everyone considers her the leader.

Also >>14147707
Bae is the hardest working of her Council and shown leadership skills during the sports festival

>>14148550
She just has natural confidence and controls the situation well. That doesn't make her a good leader.

>>14147626
What a dumb and useless thread

The dynamic HoloX has with Laplus as the leader but also nobody taking her seriously is pretty great. Chloe is definitely not a leader figure from what we've seen so far, I don't know what you're smoking.
Marine is the leader of gen 3 and isn't the biggest in either subscriber count or superchat.

>>14149159
She is the biggest in boobs though.

Why are you conflating lore with numberfagging?

>>14149159
Marine is a social butterfly, that doesn’t automatically makes you a leader. Flare and Pekora fit the role better.

>>14147626
theyre not forcing anything, retard

>>14149455
Are you kidding listing all these and not saying Noel. Whose name Danchou literally means leader.

>>14147806
eot.
OP is a faggot and a retard.

>>14148050
Thanks for the 30 year old reference boomer anon

>>14149553
And Marine is a captain

>>14148315
Kino that both of them still ended up as leaders anyway

>>14148315
Nope. Pekora just has big numbers she's an hiki that is known to ghost even her genmates, gets strangely unconfortable doing things like sleepover with them and rarely comes up with the gen 3 project. Whereas Marine is the one that brings gen 3 together, she's the tard wrangler AND comes up with most projects.

>>14150356
Oops intended for >>14149159

>>14149196
> Biggest in boobs
Anon, your sankisei reps....

>>14147891
La+ is really good at carrying the conversation during collabs. Definitely leader material.

>>14147626
Leader isn't the most popular by default and most gens don't even have leaders. Ame probably *is* the closest thing EN has to a leader, or co-leader with Kiara, but they're both support type streamers anyway. Council doesn't have a leader.

>>14148085
>I can't believe you managed to mix lore with numberfaggotry, but I'll play along: it makes sense that the janny has the most power overall, don't you get it?
Pretty much this. The whole concept of the secret society is that the leader has become a largely powerless little girl and everyone around her acts as either the muscle of the brains. The orca is an assassin turned maid who uses her cute act to disarm people before she kills them. The samurai is a straightforward loyal bodyguard. The CEO manages everything. The scientist develops things. Laplus being largely just a figurehead for the whole organization to rally around is actually the point, she isn't supposed to be the "best" at anything other than being cute (which she is)..

Thinking you can guess who will be the most popular one week in is pretty stupid
If you were there during gen 3 you'll do the same with noel for sure

>>14151673
Gen 3 is weird in that Noel is supposedly the party leader but only Flare really feels like she might be in said party. They are all loosely connected by a broad fantasy theme and nothing else.

>>14148483
imo mumei is the second in command protag figure like robin in fire emblem awakening for an example

>>14147626
If there was an anime about an evil organization who became idols as part of their plan but the brand new janitor was the most popular, I'd watch that anime.

>>14149002
>literally what a leader is
>umm no that doesn't mean she's a natural leader okay

>>14147626
How the fuck can you be such a numbertard that you think that some pointless lore role has to relate to numbers?

>>14147626
Anon, did you miss that HoloX is mocking the idea of leadership seeing things like how La+ is mocked by the intern?

>>14147626
please overdose

>>14147626
Let me put it this way:
Sora is undoubtedly the leader of Hololive and doesn't even have 900k.
Numbers don't mean shit, it's about the respect, the leadership and what role you perform for what you represent.

>>14151473
Isn't the CEO supposed to be the leader? Feels like Cover has no idea how a company works.

>>14148483
>>14153460
Lex Muthor lets the rrat do the heavy lifting while their genmates march to the beat of her drum.

>>14153706
I was wondering about Chloe. I notice she speaks in third person which is a common thing to do to look cute, but she speaks in third person using her last name which is something I've never seen before. So she calls herself Sakamata instead of Chloe. I don't know what that means, is it supposed to suggest humbleness? Perhaps someone more well versed in these things can explain.

>>14149196
>noeru
ass, maybe

>>14147626
Eh leader for each gen is a mix between the one with most subs/popularity and ones not if you take a look closely:
Gen 0 - Roboco
Gen 1 - Fubuki
Gen 2 - Subaru
Gen 3 - Marine
Gen 4 - Coco(now without her its likely on Kanata)
Gen 5 - Botan
Gamers - Mio*(Fubuki has barely showed up for them nowadays, Subaru is more of a Gamer than her now)

>>14147626
>that fucking eye

>>14159523
HoloX reflects the company. Yagoo is a mere figurehead.

>>14162936
It feels like Mio and Fubuki don't like each other very much.

>>14160485
HSKW also refers to herself by last name. Idk how common this is in irl Japan tho

>>14162936
>Roboco
>leader
Fucking what? Sora is de facto leader

>>14164109
It was Sora herself who said that anon, that Roboco is the one that usually organizes and leads them around.

>>14147626
A good leader isn't the most competent in the room. It's the one who can surround himself with competent peoples.
Also I don't know what you're smoking but the most popular characters in fiction (TV series, drama, manga, light novel, visual novel...etc) is most of the time not the leader/main character.

>>14164565
I'm surprised since Roboco seems to hardly interact with anyone. Most people forget she even exists.

>>14164565
Now that's what I call efficient delegation of tasks, as expected of Sora.

>>14166438
Oh REALLY?

>>14148085
>>14147767
But Amelia is clearly the leader simply because she organizes everything. And Baelz streams the most out of Council. La+ is also clearly the leader, because she's a loli. It works.

>>14148362
It's based.

>>14162936
Good list but it could be argue that Matsuri's the leader of gen 1. She's the one that made their concert happen. Since they barely feel like an actual gen it's the biggest thing they'll ever do together

>>14169497
I remember when this board was talking about how awesome Bae was for streaming constantly. Now that Chloe's doing it suddenly the story has changed.

>>14166438
Cope. Sora is actually a komishou and acts quite awkwardly in social situations sometimes. Also remember Alice, her "project", that lasted 1 song. She can't lead.

>>14169538
And yet Matsuri can't set aside her differences with Haachama out of pettiness

>>14169746
What did Haachama do? I'm assuming it's Haachama's fault, obviously.

>>14162936
Subaru mentioned Aqua being the leader of Gen2 and I would say Matsuri is more fit of being called the leader of Gen1 because of this https://youtu.be/_c0kJ3PzFZk

Kinda sad that the only 'leader' that is the 'most popular' are just Pekora and Botan

>>14169829
Haachama recorded something for Rushia and Matsuri turned into a menhera bitch when she saw it.

>>14149553
Noel seems like the generic knight character that joins the party leader early on in the story. She has not shown any qualities that make her a good leader.

Flare had weak side-kick vibes until she established Shiranui Kensetsu and showed she can lead a party despite starting off with a weak party member with Polka.

Marine has strong extrovert energy, but she's more like the childhood-friend type character - providing much needed and welcome support where needed but not the star of the show

Pekora may seem like the loner type solo hero but she's shown time and again that she can take on the mantle of party leader. She has clear goals and shows that she can achieve them. People gravitate toward her despite her anti-social tendencies. If 3rd gen was an RPG, she'd be the party leader, no doubt.

>>14147626
Popularity doesn't mean best in charge, if Gura was in charge of MYTH we wouldn't have gotten their "3D" same for the JPs i'm sure in the future something will come up where people will say "Thanks for this LA+" and it'll be something none of her other genmates would've been assed to do.
Hell for all we know the speed at which these girls are integrating everything expected of them could've been her work through research and relaying ideas to the others.

Cover probably picks the leadres of the groups by who is the most stable and able to influence the others in the group or at the very least the most outgoing.

>>14149414
Exactly, when did most subs = kayfabe leadership position?

>>14170105
Noel is literally the reason we ever get any sankisei offcollabs because they're are planned and done at her place.

>>14170076
Well that actually does sound like Haachama's fault then. Why would she do that?

>>14170105
Without Marine, Gen 3 would have 1 collab per year and it'd just be NoeFlare fucking on stream while the other two watch.
She literally initiates and organizes all of their collabs until like March this year, where she started forcing others to do it instead, while she helps them still.

>>14170105
>>14170473
>>14170539
The way you all describe gen 3 it sounds like all of them are particularly hard-working and it is one of Hololive's best gens where everyone puts in the work instead of letting the others carry them.

>>14170593
It is indeed. I posted about Marine, but it became Gen 3 thanks to the efforts of all the members.
I don't think there's definitive nor wrong answers for Gen 3, except Rushia. She tries her best though.

>>14170761
Marine organized off collabs just to molest her genmates

>>14170761
Rushia, the #1 worldwide superchat earner on ALL of YouTube? I'd say she puts in some pretty hard work.
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-all-channels-in-worldwide-total
If she does less for the other members of her gen, it's because she's busy responding in detail to every single person who sends a superchat and memorizing the names of the people in her chat.

>>14147626
If you actually watch stream you will know cunny is their leader. She carried their collab, she talked the most, she filled the gap when other members were nervous or awkward. She is the Marine of 6th gen, natural talker that act as a glue in her gen.

>>14171235
It's not that hard trying to keep a bunch of ex-2views in line

>>14170593
Yes, Gen 3 is the best gen, how could you tell?

>>14170593
I mean good luck seeing something as well put together as this from gen2 or 4 LOL

>>14170105
I fucking forgot about Rushia. She seems content with raking in the money, and she's definitely the strongest in that regard. But she seems like the type to go with the flow rather than taking charge.

>>14170473
Okay? Offcollabs are nice to have and if that's your criteria for being the "leader" of the gen, sure, why not. Going with (OP) of thread's sentiments though, Noel would seem like the "leader" being pushed in her gen, and I don't want to be a numberfag but there's a reason she's 4th in subs and 5th in SC revenue in her gen.

>>14170539
Which coincides with how I view her as a strong support chara-type. She has strong anime harem-MC vibes except most of the girls she chases don't reciprocate, so not quite main protag material.

>>14147626
You got me to reply so here is what I think: it's not that serious, kill yourself. It's just dumb lore and they all play around with it. If you watched the Mario Party collab, they had a lot of fun with the roles and bullying.

>>14171635
>there's a reason she's 4th in subs and 5th in SC revenue in her gen.
And what the fuck reason is that? Everyone I've talked to about Noel loves her and has nothing but good things to say about her. Numbers don't mean anything if you can't back them up with words.

>>14148362
dont you see their collab? la+ literally carrying the conversation while the others are awkward

>>14151810
I kind of get what you're saying
I just think of it as not some generic party but a really out there JRPG world with Pekora as an exiled princess turned rouge, a necromancer, and a pirate who jump into the party in their own themed chapters.

>>14170492
Yeah you're the one who got it right, Haaton's are damage controlling because back then they were buying into the rrats that Haachama was depressed and gonna graduate from the Coco drama, but turns out that she really just wanted to focus more on college and ghosted her fans in the same way Ayame does. Matsuri may not be completely innocent, but at the end of the day she just wanted gen 1 unity and expected Haachama to a good sport about it but she just ghosted her instead of being honest in saying she wouldn't do it so Matsuri could have at least changed plans.

>>14171890
Doesn't this webm mean that Noel has a really small butt if Flare's hands just go right through like that?

>>14171817
The reason being that other members in her gen are either more interesting, or have more to offer. Not shitting on Noel, but just because she's doing a very good job as a vtuber and her viewers all like her and nobody has anything bad to say about Noel, doesn't mean squat when the conversation is who's the leader of 3rd gen.

Get your head out of your ass

>>14172077
>Get your head out of your ass
GET OUT OF YOUR HEAD
LIFE IS ONLY WHAT YOU MAKE IT
YOU'RE GONNA BE OKAY

Lets see everyone opinion.

Leader of Hololive: Fubuki

Leader of HoloJP: Fubuki
Gen 0: Sora
Gen 1: Fubuki
Gen 2: Subaru
Gamers: Fubuki
Gen 3: Pekora
Gen 4: Coco > Kanata
Gen 5: Botan
Gen 6: Laplus

Leader of HoloEN: Amelia
Myth: Amelia
Council: Bae

Leader of HoloID: Reine
Area15: No one
Holoro: Reine

>>14147626
>the most popular chuuba in their gen gets to be the leader
This is possibly the most retarded post I've seen all day. That's not how leadership works fag
Now go get a job and learn how the world works you useless neet

>>14173555
I feel like if you have Subaru over Aqua, Ame over Gura, then Marine would be over Pekora, and vice versa. The metrics don't seem consistent.

>>14173555
>Leader of HoloID: Reine
The fuck?

>>14170539
Almost every off-collab involving Sankisei is hosted at Noel's place and is organized by her.
She drove them all around and organized meet ups prior to debut.
If anyone is the organizer in gen 3 its Noel.
>>14172077
>not shitting on Noel
>shits on her

>>14174600
For some reason the idea of Noel driving a car is frightening.

The Vtuber in the middle of the reveal promo is assumed to be the "leader" ogey

>>14166301
Didn't some of the Myth girls said similar things about Roboco? I believe they talked about how supportive she was since the beginning.

>>14147626
You don't understand Japanese so stop commenting on JP vtubers.

>>14159523
A CEO is still an employee, and can be replaced by the owner in a private company, or the board of directors in public one.

>>14169538
Fubuki is arguably the leader of Hololive in general.

>>14150356
Sounds like some messed up childhood trauma

>>14147861
>IRyS

>>14147626
Chloe's whole schtick is how she's incompetent and helpless doing PONs all the time and crying every 5 minutes. It's entertaining and she's going to be rich AF, but she's not going be leading anyone.