/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

>>13800072
Yeah, the nijiKR management is pretty shit. They do stupid stuff like take almost an entire year to get their anniversary song produced, so that it's 11 months after thier actual anniversary, and I woudln't be surprised if they forced her to graduate because they don't accept the nijiJP way of allowing them to take extended breaks.

Here is one interesting ranking
>streams with at least 7 streams in the past 7 days, sorted by median of the last 7 days

For the longest time I'm wanting to implement a "weight class" system for this ranking because having streamers with 5 streams in whole month ranking together with streams with 30+ streams doesn't provide a meaningful comparison
>it pits Ayame and heAyame with Pekora and Kuzuha when they're completely different type of streamers

Anyway, here is the list for the past 7 days, 7 or more streams, whatever it means

>>13799393
Kuzuhav said he might be busy with other things so he probably won't participate in the CR Cup. Doesn't seem like he's interested enough to sacrifice these other things for Apex if it comes down to it. Chigusa also spoke about not wanting be burdened by tourney practices taking up the majority of streaming content recently.

>>13800581
Hey chart anon, would you be interested in setting up a scoring system in your table doohickey thing? I am trying to come up with one, but I am not interested in learning how to do all that database programming just to make it work.

>>13800588
>Kuzuhav said he might be busy with other things
IDOL ROUTE?
>IDOL ROUTE!

OH NO NIJIBROS! WHAT DO WE DO NOW?!

Susan giveth, Susan taketh away.
I guess it was silly of me to expect 2k sub increases across the board to continue every day of the debuts .

>>13800588
Sounds like they're moving away from Apex in general as a company. Is Apex really dying in Japan?

>>13800746
>would you be interested in setting up a scoring system in your table doohickey thing? I am trying to come up with one
Not really, I am the one repeatedly telling you that's the fast lane to come up with
>Bilibili "viewer engagement" score
I could easily implement with the signals I can already pick up (CCV, VOD views, subs, likes, twitter followers) but I deliberately avoid because of one single reason
>Whatever weights you define for each signal will ALWAYS be subjective, controversial and unfair in one way or another
I avoid it for the same reason I scorn about the P4P fighter ranks for boxing and MMA organizations
>you can't compare what is not comparable

>>13800863
In fact, there's already a metric that weighs the amount/times one streams vs CCV and it's called Watched Hours.
That metric, when its not being 'abused' by nonsense like Amouranth, helps put in perspective those that grind longer hours with lower CCV vs those who do very sporadic streams with high CCV vs those who are consistent in both.

Why do i feel that Chloe will be the Number 2 of her gen numbers wise

>>13800572
Thing is that I can't see Bora her wanting to associate that much with the HoloKR side of things. Her fanbase was almost entirely Japanese, her connections are all on the Japanese side of things, she wants to work and probably live in Japan, the last thing she'd want is to end up in the same position she was in at Niji. Vspo seems safe by comparison.

>>13800961
because lui seems boring as shit and the pink cat is as noisy as kiara

Here kids, wanna see something 面白い?
>streamers with 120+ streams in the past 120 days

There is a reason most of the ones at the top are the royalty both in their branches and in the whole combined ranking
>they're daily streamers with a captive audience that shows up to their streams no matter what

Other than Aruran (WTF is even with him anyway?) even the ones at the bottom punch way above their weight in their respective niches.

>>13800961
The potential is there but can grow or drop if the talent try to do her best or not.
Just look at Kronii. She had everything to sucess but instead took the lazy route and the numbers reflect that.

>>13800581
Why red again chart anon? -,-

>>13801117
Also
>not a single foreign branch in this list
JP only

>>13801156
Sorry mate, I know I should make hololive their blue and Nijisanji some sort of rainbowni color but this is the default color scheme from my day job and I never muster the energy to change it

>>13801117
PekoMiko I KNEEL

>>13801117

>>13801239
No, really, is he in some self imposed "will stream twice a day until I die" challenge or something?

>>13801161
if gura streamed more she'd likely be up there

>>13801117
>luna

whats

>>13801308
Anon she would burn out and die.

>>13801308
But she's not stop with the "if's"

>>13801308
>if gura streamed more she'd likely be up there
kek, if my ancestors were royalty instead of fishermen and bandits I would be a blue blood noble instead of a struggling 21st century urban peasant.
You can't always get what you want, can you?

>>13800961
>>13800863
>weights based formula
>watched hours
What I'm trying to determine is how efficient they are in general. Watched Hours in the way that it's setup/tracked only works primarily if you know CCV is their only method of content delivery. But we know that isn't the case for chuubas, since many of them do regular video uploads/premieres, and not just of music.

>>13800943
Weren't you the one that posted this in the other thread?

>>13801306
No he just enjoys streaming and does alot of weird stream ideas like early morning cultural exchange streams or late night teaching streams

>>13801306
He just grinds like crazy, one morning stream one evening stream like clockwork

>>13801117
1 stream per day is too much

>>13801365
>>13801368
its not like i'm saying kiara would be up there. the numbers aren't the issue its the amount of streams.

>>13801117
I assume your dataset starts from August? Can you try and do one filter clearing for 85+ streams (since 5 days out of a week is full time work) in the 120 day timeperiod? I have a theory most of HoloJP is going to fall into that and that grind is one of the reasons why they have blown past NijiJP which has a lot of part-time vtubers. Ofcourse hours streamed would be a lot better metric to judge this than number of streams (1 Chihiro stream is equal to like 4-5 Aruran streams as an example), but this seems like the best we have.

>>13801403
>enjoys streaming
I kneel to him then. Doing what he loves without any concern for anything other than doing just that.
He's just Kuzuha in another timeline where he didn't really find the correct fit for his ability and ended up becoming some 2 views although SOME THREE UNIVERSES ABOVE real 2 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLak0dxBKpM
Suisei's Tenkyuu has reached 10M views. Now Suisei has 5 songs with over 10M views.

>>13801482
>I assume your dataset starts from August?
Mado only goes as far back as July 17 so that's the limit of the comparison I can do between Nijis and Holos

>Can you try and do one filter clearing for 85+ streams (since 5 days out of a week is full time work) in the 120 day timeperiod?
Here it goes, 85 streams or more in the same 120 days period

>Ofcourse hours streamed would be a lot better metric to judge this than number of streams
I disagree, it takes a whole more effort to show up every day even for a one hour stream than to show up once for a 7 hours stream and then bail for the rest of the week

>>13801379
? There are multiple anons that probably hold the opinion that Watched hours is useful but has its limitations. Its why I'm more of a fan of including more data where possible without it becoming a visual mess. Including # of streams and total hours streamed on a watched hours chart helps give perspective on streaming frequency and average CCV with just a little bit of mental math, without also cluttering such a chart too much.
Doing so would reveal that amouranth just redbroadcasts stuff and does really fucking lazy streams since the hours she runs up are ridiculous, and it'd also reveal that Pekora is an absolute Titan for female streamers CCV wise since her hours streamed might not be as high as some of the others but her total watched hours ends up really high on the chart, and that she's streaming consistently (# of streams)

>>13801489
He has $130K SC in a little over two years, plus some members, 7M views for around $21K in ad revenue. So he's making around $25/year at minimum. Which, eh, isn't fantastic but add a little merch etc and he's making around the average salary in Japan playing video games.

>>13801965
Mind you, most of that SC came in during the last year, so your figures are alittle deceptive.

>>13801965
>$25/year at minimum
kek, he surely can eat basedbean sprouts and MAYBE onions sauce with it

>>13802025
>wordfilters aren't just for /pol/
kek

>>13801610
Is there a tool that can filter 10M/1M view videos from a channel? Aside from just manually counting of course. I was shocked to see Kiara actually have more 1M videos than Ame

>>13802086
Use playboard, they have filters and keep the old VODs even when they're privated

>>13802159
There's something fucky with playboard when it comes to views. For example it has Hinotori at like 700K views when in reality it has 3.1M. Not sure why it does that.

>>13802226
yeah using the above example where gura only has 18 VODs with 1m according to playboard but when you check youtube she has 36

PSSSSST, HEY ANONS!
>people in this very thread said AT VERY LEAST one of these girls turned down Holo JP6 to go with Sony
WHAT SAYS YOU?

>>13801117
>>13801614
The first doesn't show any HoloEN member and the second doesn't show Gura but there's Mori, Ame and Kiara

>>13802299
No on earth is actually that stupid. There's no way. There is literally a 100-1000 fold difference.

>>13802159
If I go to youtube right now and sort by most viewed gura has 36 videos above 1 million but why is playboard showing only 18 ?

>>13802309
>The first doesn't show any HoloEN member
The first doesn't show any foreign branch

>>13802309
the first is with 120+ streams in the past 120 days and the second is 85+ streams in the past 120 days. gura only has 66 streams in the past 120 days, not including member streams or appearances on other channels

>>13800581
Why not use watch hours since that seems to be the metric being used by major companies?

>>13802427
I don't have the watch time for Nijisanji as nobody is tracking that

>>13800588
That the CR Cup for December right? Cause whoever scheduled that was fucking stupid.

>>13802299
That if they did do that, they're an idiot and deserve to feast on seethe for the rest of their days.
I personally think that it's the other way around, but hey, stranger and more unfortunate things happen all the time.

>>13800811
don't think so. Ratna, Naraka, Chihiro, Elu, Seto and many others still are playing apex crazy. Those ones mentioned don't play that much compared to them.

>>13802501
Yeah which bloody retard decided to schedule a fucking tournament on christmas? even if you don't have a girlfriend there are people who do

>>13802427
On your dash board you can get true watched hours, meaning stream length x average ccv + average VOD watch time x views. But we have no way of accessing that information. If you have a 25K ccv 2 hour stream that's great, that's 50K watch hours. If you add a million views after the stream ends and each is only 5 minutes that's another 83K watch hours, which is pretty significant. But we just don't have those numbers. Remember most youtube channels don't livestream, but views/watch hours/etc are still how they make their money.

Tenkyu passed 10 million views, anyone have the time?

>>13802391
Yea, that's one thing that unfortunately none of these charts and metrics can really catch, and that's if you're in single frame POVs you're not adding to your own numbers, despite putting in the hours. There's no easy way to automatically track it either, I think.

>>13802391
i used the stream times on https://holo.poi.cat/vtuber/gura
which i just double-checked and i don't think is 100% accurate as it lists gura streaming on the 2/8 and 4/8 when i can't see any stream for these dates.

>>13802159
Playboard looks to randomly stop counting views after a while.

>>13801085
why do you talk about holokr as if this exists

>>13802543(me)
When I mean other way around, I mean that they applied to Hololive but failed to get in, so they went to Sony instead.

>>13802473
There actually is one for NijiJP, but it only shows the top 10 for every week.
https://twitter.com/2434livemoment/status/1465153581339017216?s=20

>>13802690
Sorry, I meant
>there is no way I can track the watch time for Nijisanji as there is no tracking platform accurately tracking the average CCV for every single stream of Nijisanji streams like Holostats does for Hololive, meaning I can't scrape it and do my independent calculation of watch time

The way I put before is just shorter

>>13801334
JP resident nocturnal along with Watamage and PokeShion, anon

Since you guys were talking about Ethyria, here's their superchat numbers that for some reason never is talked in here

Nina:
Last 7 Days Revenue $5,919
Total Revenue $32,586

Millie
Last 7 Days Revenue $6,420
Total Revenue $27,038

Enna
Last 7 Days Revenue $4,138
Total Revenue $21,463

Reimu
Last 7 Days Revenue $2,126
Total Revenue $17,916

>>13802086
Well, to me, the only downside of Kiara is her unholy, god awful European timeslot, so I can't catch her stream, which is why I assume a lot of people just watch the VODs instead

>>13801812
>?
I assume that you're referring to the second reply. I was addressing that anon specifically.
>There are multiple anons that probably hold the opinion that Watched hours is useful but has its limitations. Its why I'm more of a fan of including more data where possible without it becoming a visual mess. Including # of streams and total hours streamed on a watched hours chart helps give perspective on streaming frequency and average CCV with just a little bit of mental math, without also cluttering such a chart too much.
I don't disagree that it is useful, but ultimately I think of it as a "cope metric" due to the way that it came about. The only reason it is "good" is because we don't really have access to the true hours watched from YouTube, but we don't even have the true CCV metric from YouTube either with their so-called "culling" so that particular point is moot. Content uploads in general should be taken into consideration, as well as VOD views, but for some reason they aren't.

>>13802391
If your objective is showing streamers with the highest mindshare or popularity but you
>doesn't catch any EN Vtuber while including 2 Holostars
Or
>doesn't include Gura but puts Mori, Ame and Kiara in the list
It shows that your method doesn't match the reality

Samurai will flop hard, isn't she

>>13802929
That's... Honestly okay-ish? I mean it's not Holo numbers but definitely above 2view tier.

>>13802299
honestly, what was sony thinking?

>>13802774
How about Playboard? Is possible to scrape data?

>>13803188
Lol no. The hype is just too big for her to flop

>>13802929
Here is a counter to that

Sana:
Last 7 Days Revenue $9,025
Total Revenue $74,379

Better luck next time

>>13803326
I already do, but their sample rate is attrocious (once every 10 minutes), makes averaging that a very unreliable endeavour

>>13803188
Define "flop"
I mean, We THOUGH Orca's gonna flop since it's Monday, but after tonight, I'm not even sure anymore
I will still be cautious and say around 100-150 should be considered a success
UNLESS she pulls an Okita impression, then all hell will break loose

>>13803188
this is not en wave 3

>>13803429
i hope she's a sword geek and just goes off on a 15 minute rant about swords

>>13802929
nina had her birthday
Millie had an endurance reward and a few asmr
the others are normal gains. enna likes to bait some SC but not at pomus or nina levels

>>13801117
>There is a reason most of the ones at the top are the royalty both in their branches and in the whole combined ranking
anon, at least half of those are middle to trash tier

>>13803495
Her kayfabe is also that she's tech-illiterate
Suitable for a mountain girl, I guess
I'm expecting alot of scuff kino

>>13802299
then it means darwin`s law took care of them

>>13803058
>we don't really have access to the true hours watched from YouTube
Many streamers have mentioned the average viewer stays for 2 minutes. Afaik 3rd party sites calculate watch time as total views X length of stream, which is totally bogus.

>>13803394
The discrepancy between popularity and superchat revenue between some Vtubers is always funny to see. Compare Sana to someone like Mumei, who has a much larger audience but only made $1,379 in the last seven days. Of course this is offset by having a large amount of members (her floor is 2k right now) and I understand why it happens but it still makes me chuckle.

>>13802501
they did the same on last year

>>13803617
Well, the same can be said about the whole Subs/CCV argument, but let's not go too far into that

>>13802929
We usually talk about the SC numbrs at the start of the month. Unless they're towards the top of the list.

Anyway, good numbers.
If the 20% estimate is to be believed, that's 3.5-6.5k$ after taxes. More tham enough to live on, even to think of upgrading your stream setup.

Man if ID3 and EN3 do debut next year Miko and Mio may need to make next years Sport Fest a two day event

>>13803262
That's holo tier
Only Kiara, Mori and IRyS are getting a huge amount of SC

Okay, I would like to point out that at this very moment, Watame is the ONLY ONE STREAMING
And the closet stream will be ... 3 hours from now

>>13803813
SAME AS IT EVER WAS
but no, seriously, that was one of her claims to fame for over a year, the 0-6am time frame where ot was just her.
Sometimes Korone, Flare or Shion at the start.

>>13803794
>That's holo tier
No it's not, not even Council tier. Anyone on Hololive streaming with any regularity is getting more than that both on the 7 days and the total revenue

Baelz:
Last 7 Days Revenue $6,492
Total Revenue $59,992

>>13803617
it depends on the content and lenght of such.
Sana,kiara, mori streams A LOT and interact wiht her chat troucgh SC a lot and barely never closes them, rest of holoEn isnt like that and if they do SC reading they close them usually. NijiEN is like te former almost entirely. The grind the hours to grind those SC
wich is a valid strategy but feels like they have to work double the time for the same dolar Holoen makes which is kinda fucked up now that i think about it.

>>13803917
>SAME AS IT EVER WAS
It shouldn't be. Council was hire to fill those exact hours. Think about it
>Any hour a JP can fill an AUS can fill as well

>>13803920
Bae got most of it from her Inuyasha karaoke. She usually gets Niji-tier SCs. The total revenue for Council is also propped up by their initial SC opening stream since they all made ~25k+ from it.

>>13803790
They may have to make two separate events altogether.

Actually, they may want to move away from Java MC and use Bedrock Edition.

>>13803963
Anon, it's fucking 7 AM in Aussie land RN

>>13803963
there's a reason it's only watame at these hours, they're not exactly reasonable australia/japan hours

>>13803607
There is no other way to do it though as third party.. Which makes it as >>13803058 a bit of a cope metric. I'm one of the anons that find watched hours useful as benefits effort to some extent, it's easy to discern if a streamer is lazy or not based on their ccv average. If you have a high avg ccv but get beaten by a chuuba with a much lower avgerage you clearly should put more effort into it.

>>13803997
Kronii:

last 7 days (2 monetized streams): 4,642
Total Revenue: $129,440

>Bae got most of it from her Inuyasha karaoke. She usually gets Niji-tier SCs.
That's not what the threshold you chose to highlight for NijiEN is showing

>The total revenue for Council is also propped up by their initial SC opening stream since they all made ~25k+ from it.
Ethyria had initial SC opening too in the same time period. It is silly to even consider that one is valid for the comparison and the other isn't

Ethyria gets good SC but it is not even close to half what Hololive gets, even if you only chooses the infrequent streamers.

>>13803920
But half of them don't stream regularly

>>13803963
0-6 in Japan is about the same in Aus, i don't expect Bae or Sana to stream at dead of night hours. It's better time for NA, or
>>13803034 Kiara
Because i want to counter this, Kiara doesn't stream in EU hours. She streams in almost JP hours and by the time EU prime time starts she's usually at SC reading.
That's why she never took the EU crowd from Watame or Ina.
Ina usually starts streaming 2 hours from now.

>>13803607
>>13803058
What are you talking about? Watch hours for the stream is literally just (average vievers)*(total hours) since it's metric used for live stream. It should always be shown with both of these stats for better analysis. Watch time for VODs is unknown for anyone except channel owners and no one uses it for anything. Viewer retention is another thing that's unknow so no one is even mentioning it.

>>13804148
Then comparing last 7 days of people that streamed during those 7 days with people that did not stream in the same timeframe is silly, isn't it?

NijiEN got more SC in the past 7 days than Ayame, that doesn't mean they get as much SC as Hololive

>>13803997
>she got most of her SC from karaoke
and her latest non jp prime time SC reading.

Still your point is moot since i could also tell you 70% of nina was her birthday

>>13804186
>Kiara doesn't stream in EU hours. She streams in almost JP hours and by the time EU prime time starts she's usually at SC reading.
That's because she's dumb

>>13804269
nta but I think she tried and it never really caught on. Any gain she got for europe time she lost other markets. Is it a winning move to change back? I dunno, don't have her numbers. It can also be that europs even with their lack of options in hololive doesn't find the chicken entertaining.
t.europ

>>13802299
I don't think there is anyone on that list or agency that was interested enough in Hololive in the first place that would have turned down an offer from Cover to join a company with a guaranteed debut of 100k+ viewers.

They probably applied, got rejected so they decided to join a company brand recognition and potential for growth. They made a carefully calculated decision... they just happen to said math with numbers that didn't exist.

>>13804194
Ok, you're defining watch hours differently than many places.

Why ignore VOD though? That's a huge part of the viewership.

>>13804417
>Ok, you're defining watch hours differently than many places.
Nope, it is you mistaking "watched hours" for "watch time", which is the metric that includes VOD

>>13803034
Kiara's time slot, schedule, and game choices are all factors but I agree her time slot absolutely sucks balls. The majority of her EN speaking audience is literally at work or at school when she streams most often. I mean she's EU it's understandable but if she streamed NA primetime into latenight she would probably do much better. Her SC have always been strong but she has like 20M more views than Ina despite having a fraction of her ccv.

>>13804194
I'm >>13803058. What you're talking bout and what I am talking about are different things.

>EMPEROR... ;-(
HOW DO WE SAVE APEX, ANONS!? I NEED TO KNEEL!

>>13804528
kneel to women

how bad will the purge be today?

>>13804457
watched hours and watch time are literally the same thing. The difference is that watch time is how youtube calls it, and they calculate it fully with vods and people filtered by spamviews, while watched hours is how fucking retards from stream hatchet call it, and they just do time*ccv, ignoring vods and spamviews

>>13803617
Mumei mostly ignored superchats for a while because her phone battery placed hard limits on her stream length and she didn’t want SC readings to cut the rest of her content short. She was also pretty nervous about doing SC readings, so her dedicated SC reading streams usually went off the rails, and I’m pretty sure she jokingly asked chat to send fewer SCs so she could get through them more easily. Nowadays she’s doing SC readings at the end of her streams, and sometimes forgets to disable SCs before she starts reading them, so there’s a good chance she’ll improve on that front. Sana, on the other hand, seems to have gone the Flare route, or what is essentially the Kiara route minus the numberfagging. She’s cultivated a loyal group of gachikoi who will consistently fork over their money, and she knows how to milk them.

So how big will the Subs cull will be today?

>>13804417
Hours watched that's used here at least are just what I said. You can check holo_data. And for VODs it's impossible to see real numbers so how can anyone use them? Same with viewer retention. I agree that it's important but that information isn't public so nothing can be done until Youtube change something or youtubers start showing their data themselves.

>>13804655
>it's the same thing, except it's different
Tell me anon, how to calculate "watch time" from public data if you don't have the average watch time for VODs to multiply by their length?

>>13804665
big
>>13804643
bad

>>13803394
it isn't meant to be bigger than holo talents, it's only to show that despite lower views, they are getting tons of money compared to the biggest ones. They really know how to get paypigs.
>>13803508
Yes, Nina had her birthday, but her numbers are high even without it. Millie had such things and that is on her own merit, no?
>>13803761
I know. I mean that in terms of discussion on this thread, ethyria only is mentioned for subs and ccv when the sc also should be accounted.

>>13804486
Sorry, my head hurts after taking nap during janitor's debut, didn't think she would be so boring. I misread.

>>13804528
FPS fans are fickle but it goes both ways. New heroes, new maps, new balanced, tweaks etc could all rope players back in.

>>13804665
At least 100k

>>13804714
i meant are supposed to be the same thing, and stream hatchet wants you to believe it is. It is like someone posting local sales and stating it is worldwide sales. It is simply wrong and misleading, just changing the world from time to hours doesnt mean shit.
CCV*time is neither watch time nor watched hours nor watched minutes nor watch period nor whatever other dumb small change you want to apply to that name.

>>13804683
>for VODs it's impossible to see real numbers so how can anyone use them
Why not take stream metrics and extrapolating it based on the view count right after stream vs. 2 weeks later?

CCV and view count does not correlate 100%, so the view count is providing some additional information. The only question is how to interpret it.

Faster than La+?

>>13804764
>it's only to show that despite lower views, they are getting tons of money compared to the biggest ones
It is still not making any sense.
It is only showing that if you work everyday in a "pay per stream" field you get paid everyday and if you don't, you don't.

There was never any claim of a direct proportional correlation between CCV and superchat, mostly because Rushia disproves it in one side and Ayame on the other side

>>13804471
It's a mixed bag though. Less competition in eu primetime vs potential more exposure in na. For all we know she might have looked at her own analytics of were most of her subscribers/watcher actually are and tried to adjust to that time. The views part vs ina is due to streams though. More streams -> more vods -> more views in the end. Same phenomenon with Pekora and Gura.

>>13804896
chloe is a genius, pekora add a mask to your future outfit reveal!!

>>13804848
>i meant are supposed to be the same thing, and stream hatchet wants you to believe it is.
No they don't, there was never any claim that "(live) watched hours" and "watch time" is the same thing

>CCV*time is neither watch time nor watched hours
It is "(live) watch time", "(live) watched hours" and it is the exact same math used to calculate "(VOD) watch time" except with available public data from the Youtube API

Failing to realize the implied "LIVE" in the "watched hours" is silly. More than that, this whole metric comes from a time period where television didn't have "VOD" and all "watched hours" were by definition "live watched hours".

>>13804896
She reminds me of Aqua with a better model

>>13804864
>Why not take stream metrics and extrapolating it based on the view count right after stream vs. 2 weeks later?
Because you don't know what is the average watch time for a VOD. It could be 30 seconds, it could be 1 hour.

>>13805008
>implied
lmao

>>13804528
this.... is normal numbers for non apex hal stream...

>>13804661
I'm well aware, she's my oshi after all. I hope she can improve but first impressions mean a lot for your chat culture, it'll be tough to create meaningful change but the SC readings are a good start. Here's a comparison between her top 5 superchatted streams in October vs November to see how far her SCs have fallen, and keep in mind her median ccv actually inclined this month

>>13805077
It is implied by the fact the formula only uses live CCV.

>>13805153
forgot the image

what are the odds that a lot of the new hololive covers willl get 1 mill views before next week?

>>13805174
yes im sure every tourist and journo reading their shit graphs know that

On another topic. Tomorrows 14:00 JST is going to be a slaughter house. New Gen Collab after the Debut, Miko+Subaru+Mio Collab, Flare+Fubuki Pokemon(split pov), Lamy BOW, Ollie..

Lamy and Ollie are going to be slaughtered. But it's a good test for the new gen, even though they should get the highest number due to debut hype it wont be uncontested.

>>13805231
They don't but they wouldn't know even if the metric was
>PHRENOLOGIC ANALYSIS OF VTUBERS RANKS KUZUHA AS THE ROUNDEST SKULL WITH ONLY 0.3 MILLIMITERS ECCENTRICITY, FOLLOWED BY PEKORA WITH 0.31 AND IN THE LAST PLACE, KIARA WITH 1.6 MILLIMETERS

The fact dumb people don't know how a certain measurement is taken or what it means exactly doesn't make it a bad measurement

>>13803790
they already talked about that, next year most likely will be 2 or 3 days

>>13805008
>>13805077
>>13805174
>>13805231
>>13805307
Can we just agree that Streamhatchet is a shit source because they don't even publish their methodology?

>PREDICTIONS?
I can see Ina getting her usual 11k but Bae? That's a wild card

>13805307
yeah you`re either retarded or baiting, im gonna stop giving you any [you]s

>>13805339
>Can we just agree that Streamhatchet is a shit source because they don't even publish their methodology?
They do, they are a shitty source because they routinely get the numbers wrong (likely for missing streams) and instead of comparing with their "open source" competitors to see what they get wrong they hide behind
>WE GET OUR DATA STRAIGHT FROM YOUTUBE FIREHOUSE
>WE ARE RIGHT, YOU ARE WRONG, DEAL WITH IT

If it doesn't match with theirs, this time I'll release the full detailed breakdown of Pekora's watched hours (list of streams, average CCV and hours streamed) so people can see the discrepancy by themselves

>>13804864
Impossible because Youtube fuck up views after stream ended too. People show pictures with 6gen getting 4k views right after debut. Also average watch time for stream and for Vods is probably completely different. On TwitchTracker they count viewer retention (CCV*Time/(total viewers)) during the stream and it's around 60 min for most streamers I know. For VODs you will have people who only watch highlight points and people who will watch whole thing and some people who get video on autoplay(I don't watch Gura that often because of time zones but I have bunch of her videos marked as watched because I was busy then stream ended with autoplay on). Sadly it's impossible to find real metric.

>PAJEET HANDS WILL SOON TOUCH TWITTER TOO
WELL ANONS? Ready for vtubers getting their follow count culled for no reason as well?

>>13805427
theyll just claim your ccv is wrong (like they already done)

>>13805344
Bae's a premier no?

>>13805427
>numbers wrong (likely for missing streams)
either rigged to keep Rae (yt girl) and Pokimane (twitch girl) on top

This is pekora without Streamhatchet rigging
>Nov 1~25
>no data yet for Rae's succeeding months

>>13805520
Wut? (checks) WTF is she even doing?

>>13805621
shes on break, gonna release this mini series to make up for it

>>13805621
Starting a show clearly! Legend of Baewatch!

>>13805535
Don't they count streams on twitch for Pekora? Or is that your chart? I got about half a million more for Pekora in my sheet.

So here's the real duel of the day today:
Selen Birthday vs. Bora Graduation
What's your estimates?

>>13805828
Bora will make into the daily top, Selen won't

>>13805828
Bora's going to win by far

>>13805771
>Nov 1~25
>twitch not included of course

>>13805535
Speaking of Rae, is there any other source checking her numbers except Streamhatchet? Since they fuck up Pekora and Kuzuha both it can be used to trigger Rae's fans to shit on them for being bad at collecting Youtube data. They probably got her numbers right, but if there is no proof fans of popular english streamer are more effective at damaging reputation of english speaking company(?) than japanese.

>IS THIS THE POWER OF UNCHAINED MERU-SAMA?
Predictions for this stream?

>>13804764
>it's only to show that despite lower views, they are getting tons of money compared to the biggest ones
there is no doubt that there is no relationship between SC and subs/views but when you consider how much they stream then things come into persepective
pomu streamed almost
29hrs last 7 days across 7 streams / 6k last week
Mellie streamed
28hrs last 7 days across 6 streams / 6k alst week
Ninna
25 hrs last 7 days across 8 streams /6 alst week
Bae streamed
18hrs last 7 days across 7 streams/6k last week
Kornii streamd
10 hrs last 7 days across 4 streams / 4k last week
Sana streamed
43 hrs last 7days across 5 streams / 6k
Mumei
16 hrs last 7 days across 5 streans /1.5k


HoloeEn has just less streams and hours than nijiEN yet it makes as much if not more moeny than them most of the time. it all dpends on the content of course but nijien are still far from the level of holos, they need to do 50% more work than them just to keep up

>>13804896
Her clip views are also doing insanely well.
Several with 100k+ and the biggest unmasking is over 300k already.

>>13805828
bora

>>13805828
Yuya got 10k in her graduation, so you can expect 30k or more for Bora. Selen has no chance to ever get 10k.

>>13806050
Marine will end pregnant

>>13806125
>so you can expect 30k or more for Bora
Anon, plz

>>13806096
Don't forget to dock the streams Council disable SC. Kronii, for instance, only had 2 monetized streams in the period

>>13806125
anon, please, if she gets more than 15k I'll eat my hat

>>13805296
I think Lamy will get at least 6k.
She has an audience as loyal as Rushia's and it's a good time for them (she usually gets over 10k at this hour).

>>13806096
sana is 35 hrs, if counting the first pokemon then it would be 9k a week for SC

>>13806268
>>13806311
You guys may think it's unrealistic but Bora pulled 11k on her return stream and that was her fighting against Koshien. Her new costume was 12.5k and that was against Kuzuha. In the current slot she has with next to no opposition I could see it going to 20k at least.

Susan, have mercy...

>>13806458
>I could see it going to 20k at least.
That's more reasonable. 30k is a stretch

>>13806240
Will she live stream the birth audio?

>>13806499
Also depends on if its a solo-only or if there's totsumachi components to it. If NijiJP/Vspos/Towa show up that could drive up the numbers too.

>>13806464
what is that tourist coming from the debuts subbing to toehr chanes?
AXE THEM

>>13801334
She doesn't stream everyday but she did a ton of 2 streams a day

HoloEN -> $ 222,805

Myth -> $ 129,933
EN2+Hope -> $ 92,872

NijiEN -> $ 136,016

Wave1 -> $ 43,982
Wave2 -> $ 31,598
Wave3 -> $ 60,436

>>13807095
Source: Surperchat tab on Playboard (11.01-11.29)

>>13807095
2 birthdays and 3 half-anniversaries

>>13805828
Selen = 6k-8k
Bora = 40k (it's a graduation, why are people lowballing it)

>>13807417
they don't watch her, any idea what she's going to do?

Thread on the demise of Yumenographia
>>13802734
>>13802915
>>13803037

Seems like they didn’t get the courtesy of a graduation and the chance to be integrated in the rest of the projects, they just got tossed in their asses.
Surely not the healthiest way to finish a branch, I wonder if it has any relation to the impeding financial report for Anycolor, getting rid of workforce is a great short term way to balance the books

>>13807095
Damn, even Petra who barely gets sc still has 5k, only 2k less than mumei. SC culture is something huh

>>13807465
I'm not sure but here is the stream frame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCefTRdG9eQ

>>13807465
Unknown at the moment but if its anything like Yuya's it'll probably be a mix of zatsudan, some singing, some lookback/fan projects, and if I had to guess maybe some totsumachi from her friends.

>>13807095
Niji's not doing too bad as a company.

Also IRyS in the top 3... I approve.

>Council gets mercilessly culled into the fucking ground by Susan
>Crickets
>Gen 6 gets culled
>Sora comes out and says Cover is in contact with Youtube and there will be an investigation to get to the bottom of it
EN bros...
I think daisenpai had her heart set on reaching 1 million before the end of the year

>>13807095
They actually got more than what i expected.
Gura and Kronii had a lot of breaks right?
Ina as well if i remember right

>>13807095
Sana may disappoint in every other metric but boy does she know how to cultivate gachikois

>>13807539
towa...

>>13807487
they aren't vtubers to have graduation, anon.yumenographia was a complete different thing where streaming wasn't even their main stuff but paying $30 to talk 1 minute.
guess it should be allowed in here since it's anycolor related but it's not even relevant since they were literally 2 view

>>13807487
If they got nothing, then cutting them and stop the bleeding is the best way to do so. I feel sorry for them but I dont think Anycolor is losing that much money on that. At worst, the financial reports will state they grew on but not as much as expected and try to bullshit their way out as investors could as why Cover is making more money or having more attention.

>>13807582
She wont reach 1 million before the end of the year. Regardless if she is affected by the cull of any new viewers coming in.
Sora says she loves her kohai but I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't sting a little for her everytime someone passes her.

What time does Susan usually cull subs?
I feel sorry for Iroha the most

>>13807913
Usually one hour from now, but yesterday they all lost 50k 4 hours from now, so it's anyones guess

>>13807636
Guess which is which

>>13807722
>they aren't vtubers to have graduation
This looks like a vtuber to me. Maybe it wasn't their main thing, but they were absolutely streaming games and stuff with a virtual avatar.

>>13807487
Is it really any surprise?
They spam waves and then let the bottom flounder.

>>13808224
Streaming was a hobby for them. There's a reason they had 51 members but not even half of them had channels.
>>13808266
If that was the case, Hajime and many others would be fired from Nijisanji. Yumenographia was also very different from nijisanji not only in its main objective and activity.

>>13808437
>Streaming was a hobby for them
I've heard this said about many members of nijisanji proper, yet on the occasion they leave they still get a graduation

>>13808506
Yes, in Nijisanji you also have that, but the difference is that in Nijisanji streaming is their main thing while on yumenographia, streaming was a side thing for the project and only done by a few members. They didn't get cut because of streaming but because the virtual cabaret was a complete bomb.

>>13807095
Really good month for Mori in comparison with other HoloEN's members
~16M views
9400 median peak CCV
26 streams
~113 hours streamed
~809k hours watched

She still has a song tomorrow that will get 2k to 3k in SC

Wait, so there will be no Iroha after-debut stream?
They just skipped her? lmao
>if so then i think she'll be the only one who is not a numberfag in Gen 6

>>13808164
The one on the right with a big gap is kronii

kek, this was “this does not slip” tier of jinxing

>>13808828
That's the after debut stream, anonchama. It was on the press release.

>>13808828
Why are they pushing La+ so much? Kind of insane how much of an advantage they're giving her over her genmates. She's probably the youngest as well.

>>13809194
They know that cunny sells. That and La+ will probably have a melt down if she isn't the front runner of the gen.

can you imagine how Sora feels? she has so much power and influence but she won't use it since she's really reserved.

>>13809194
Every gen has an appointed “leader”. It doesn’t mean anything in the long run, considering RatGirl played just such role and it didn’t change much for her (as she’s not that least cut to be the leader)

>>13806096
You guys always exclude Irys huh? I have always thought of her as a +1 for Council because she debuted 1 month before them

Irys
16hrs last 7 days across 3 streams/ $5k USD total

>>13807487
savage black company

>>13809017
Yeah i know but that means only Iroha will have no after-debut stream ON her channel.

>>13809194
They already did that with Bae and Amelia before.

more Korean kusoge lol
https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000097.000014847.html

>>13809443
damn, they could afford Pekora to shill their game?

>>13809388
you guys don't really know a black company

>>13809422
I don't know but I expect Iroha to start at midnight like before or, and this is my wild theory, she is a reincarnation of some big Vtuber and that's why she doesn't need the boost because old fans will come back as soon as she talks.

>>13809443
>https://prtimes.jp/main/html/rd/p/000000097.000014847.html
It's not Kusoge anon-chama. It's a gacha f2p from Korea.

>>13809543
ogey bootlicker

>>13807487
This seems salacious enough and the thread is slow enough too.
Seems like this is getting traction on the JP side and they’re rallying up for the talent that got axed

>>13809583
I worked at a black company in Japan retard. This is not even 1% of what a black company does. This is a normal company.

This fish is powerful

>>13809572
So far all of HoloX have basically been literal who's which is a little surprising given they really could recruit some high power talents if they wanted. Though taking a poorfag 2view and dumping a million bucks on them probably engenders incredible loyalty.

>>13809659
sure you did bootlicker

fucking Yagoo and his black magic. when other companies implode, they recline but when his company implodes, he rockets to the moon.

the next screenshot should be taken in about 4 hrs

Just notice Chloe has the second high VOD debut views.

>>13809641
Eh no one cares enough about them to gain any traction, though maybe they get thrown a bone to avoid bad press.

>>13809670
Maybe cover doesn't want the negative reputation of poaching from competitors?

>>13809572
>Bora graduation at 16:00, probably 2-3 hours
>Iroha start at 19:00
it's incredibly unlikely but the malding this would cause would be incredible.

>>13809572
Maybe or maybe not. Judging by Polka's initial big draw to now being just a low-to-mid tier spastic numbers, old followers isn't always the case for big success

>>13809670
well theyve spent a lot on their artist mamas at least, thats good for marketing. But for the talent itself, you need a good profile rather than fame otherwise you just get a menhera.

>>13809659
Ok anon, I didn't. Normal companies are very much charities that don't cut branches.

>>13809641
Wouldn't the real relief have been if they had actually supported them while they were active?

>>13809706
>>13768578

>>13809706
here we go again
i predict a smaller cull today, 20-30K

>>13809641
This doesn't seem to get a lot of traction. If this this happened in nijisanji it might had a chance but 90% of nijisanji fans even in japan have no idea this branch exists.

>>13809721
Not even competitors. I'm thinking more like an artist of Ina's tier, or even a musician (not a uitate, someone who can write and produce in addition to perform) of Mori's tier, or VA who wants to break into vtubing.

>>13809685
The Yumenography shit will have absolutely no effect on Niji. It's a different project that wasn't related to vtubing.

>>13809641
how many people they fired?

>>13808956
lmao nijiniggers are powerful, they learned from the best

>>13809750
They were supported. There's no complaint about that but how it was closed. The project was a complete failure since day 1 in their main objective which was to be a virtual cabaret.

>>13809736
Yea, chuubas with a history need to reinvent themselves a bit. That might lose old fans.

>>13809443
>>13809518
>damn, they could afford Pekora to shill their game?
Nexon is a big company. Also a bit more than Pekora's standard shill. She'll do a gameplay stream and she'll appear on their official channel as well

>>13809572
100% shizurins friend. They follow eachother

>>13809725
Imagine if she really is Bora.
Damn that will be Legendary lmfao

>>13809670
It doesn't really matter whether or not they take in a high profile or a complete nobody. Cover seems more akin in scouting talents that fits their branding and 2D character. They clearly had a goal dynamic for this group. But one thing to note is that they took talents that are least decent in singing. You clearly know they will push them to do group/solo paid concerts down the road

>>13809838
None. They, much like the vtubers in the industry, are contractors. So the project was closed and the contractors had their contracts terminated.

>>13809857
I meant the fans not the company. If enough fans were supporting them Anycolor wouldn't have shut it down. But then again it might just be a handful of JP fans that are angry about this.

>>13809889
>>13809725
Man, for people who hate nijisanji you guys love to put nijisanji members in hololive huh.
I know this is a shitpost at worst but this doesn't even make sense, even more when she's graduating for studies.

is kiara really going to be interviewing herself for her holotalk 1 year anniversary?

>>13809443
>https://counterside.nexon.co.jp/campaign/promotion_20211129
>exclusive campaign page
more than shilling stream

>>13809961
I don't really think a group of yumenographia fans even existed. The service is something so out of vtubing that even using the term fan might be much. It's not a exaggeration to call it a virtual cabaret, that's what it was.

>>13810017
I hate nijinigger not the liver well maybe some livers but yeah fuck you nijinigger

>>13802299
As one of the few people watching those guys there's no way, all of them seem inexperienced at streaming and don't have good equipment while all of the new Holo gen (well except Lui but she has other good qualities) were experienced vtubers before

>>13810017
I like NijiJP but NijiKR is poorly run and I don't like NijiEN. And Bora is cute, it's a shame her company chose to overinvest in a new questionable market than help one of their top performers who was being throttled by her own management.

>>13810040
Looks like it? Highlights maybe from the last year?

>>13809706
-100k today

>>13810017
Mumei is working on college stuff so isn't that weird to have someone taking time off for studies, Towa also did it on JP side.
Now, can Bora jump ship to Hololive the same day she graduates? I don't think Ichikara would leave them join a new company this early but who knows. Bora has Towa, Matsuri and Roboco there to vouch for her so she could do it.

>>13809949
how many?

>>13803813
Wonder if any of gen 6 will end up in the nocturnal slot? I know one is doing lunchtime streams and another is doing mornings (can't remember which though desu), will they just end up fighting for the increasingly competitive primetime? Although with Holofes coming up that could be good, older gens can take some time off to do their idol reps while the newbies step up to cover any gaps

>>13810153
Bora has never interacted with Roboco, she has however had a collab with Botan.

>>13810108
she could do well as a KR indie on twitch than being in NijiKR lmao. look at this girl has 1.2k views streaming at 7 am KR time.

>>13810017
Graduating for studies makes no sense. Stream a few hours each weekend and make thousands of dollars for minimal effort. Why not?

is gen 6 officially this thread's gen?

>>13810017
I don't like Nijisanji's fans not the Chuuba themselves.
>Well i do hate some of the Nijis but only those who tries to associate themselves with Holos. I also hate OLLIE FOR BEING SUCH A UNTIYFAG

>>13810243
I can see both catdog and cunny try to squeeze into the primetime. To obvious numberfags to not try it.

>>13810256
pic. the middle korean one.

>>13809838
There were 51 members and an unknown number of staff.

>>13810290
Only if they get atleast 50k+ median for three months across the gen with an average of 30 streams every month.

>>13810307
shit, that's a lot of people

aqua is doing egglocke pokerun according to ina, one egg is from the tako

>>13804896
it actually is. part of it is because her debut is twice longer and higher ccv. you probably want to monitor the like counts as well, because la+'s debut likes down from 103k to 100k

>>13810370
like purges now or does that happen when they cull the views?

>>13810359
one from each member of umisea, so 3. Another two from Okayu and Shion, who's giving her the last one? Mio?

>>13810108
Bora literally bought a car for her mom with her money with vtubing, what are you even talking about. Also I hope you aren't refering to EN for this.
>>13810153
Difference is that Bora is a korean. And I see no way of her being back that soon. Seems to me it's parents interference for her to complete her studies. Maybe she comes back as indie someday but I doubt she's going back to a company where she would need to stream at least a bit.
>>13810276
I dunno. Some of you said that this is an excuse used in KR but Yuya was shitting on KR studying culture when she graduated and how it breaks people. Bora might be on a similar situation, even more with that hiatus she had where she had a mental breakdown due to studies...

>>13810252
Well, thats even better for Bora.
Like I said, I don't think Ichikara would led some talent jump ship as soon as the day after graduating and I don't think Cover would let her join this late without a period of time talking and forming a close relationship with the other Gen members.

>>13810291
>>13810088
I also hate holofags, even more those that came from 2020 and have to associate everything with hololive or call everything idol or doing those terrible overused jokes. So I can't blame you.

>>13810017
Well, i was only joking because i don't want Gen 6 to pull shit like this >>13809725.
It would breed new antis.

She's welcome to join but not now.

has holostar reached a point where they stream full time and not worry about money?

>>13810427
maybe last spot is just the starter she picks

>>13810450
all i'm saying is that it took 11 months for NijiKR to get their first anniversary song, that management complaints are well known, that NijiEN invested a lot of money into ads and original songs for their livers while the KRs had to beg for months to get 2.0 support. Not to mention the lack of merchandise, 3D, etc.

>>13810496
one would think they would be happy for her

>>13810502
Astel stated that he's wealthy enough to visit Disneyland as his background iirc.

>>13810502
Holostars have similar views and sc as nijikr and nijiID so I don't think so

>>13807487
Looking at that thread and I just realized that I underestimate how many Nijifags in this board

>>13810595
some of them are coping really hard with the bad news

>>13810493
Yeah everyone has their own opinion.
But man, it's good to be a Hololive fan today. They're dominating!

>>13810547
Aren't EN a different management than KR? And a new branch at that? I don't disagree that those are issues, but I don't think the EN case is wrong. If anything I think KR was MUCH worse in 2020, instead 2021 things seems to be getting better. Yes, even with the graduations considering how the merged company shitshow happened in the beginning.

>>13810502
Only a few, like Roberu, Astel and Miyabi can say that.

>>13810652
if by coping you mean not blaming nijisanji but anycolor, then yes. We wouldn't blame hololive for holostars but instead cover, so why they should do it? seems weird to me.

>>13808828
this going to be in iroha's channel
the entry in holodex means jackshit

>>13809641
>>13809717
>>13809750
>>13809838
>>13809800
>This doesn't seem to get a lot of traction
It is (not as much as if it was from Nijisanji, of course) and the reason it’s so damning is this tweet
>私が一番長くて、一番今までチケットを出していて、一番運営に幻滅していて、一番運営の状況を(多分)理解していて、腹が立ってる。
>でもあと1ヶ月は笑顔でいるし最後はこの人らしい〜って言って笑って貰える終わり方で終わるつもりである。
>考えや重さはそれぞれ、受け止めてあげてください。
https://twitter.com/Grail_YG/status/1465289129470705673

A rough translation would be
>I’m the oldest, the one that did the most tickets
* which I assume to be their metric of productivity
>the most disillusioned with management and likely the one they understands their situation the most and I’m angry
>But I’ll put on a smile for another month and end it in a way that will make people laugh and say “that’s her alright”

I assume that’s one of their top stars and nips badmouthing their company openly like this is pretty much their version of “going on a strike”
>I’ll continue working but I won’t pretend to enjoy it

>>13810710
of course you have to blame the company, they were the incompetents

>>13810664
yes but the funding had to come from somewhere, someone high up in anykara had to make the decision to either spend a lot of money to get EN market share or spend money to support the KR market, and they chose to support EN over KR. I don't fault them for making that sort of business decision but it did contribute to causing Bora pressure which likely caused her to want to leave. Which is unacceptable.

>>13809670
I can see that it's more easy to find good talent in JP
There are so many vtubers in JP that some JP literal who is more talented than some EN corporate vtubers.

>>13810734
nijisan can't stop losing

>>13810652
Can't blame them
>Bora graduating
>Yumenographia dropped
>Edengumi failed to produce a new Kuzuha like most nijifags are bragging (but atleast it's still far far successful than NijiEN)

>Hololive Gen 6 was suddenly announced and has good potential

>>13809811
>VA who wants to break into vtubing
I believe that Koyori is that

>>13810595
They’ve always been here, check out the Roa threads to see them biting bait after bait.

>>13810734
Black company wasn't just meme..
>I’ll continue working but I won’t pretend to enjoy it
Is this what lowest of low tier nijisanji Liver feels?

>>13810746
... that's what I'm saying. Anycolor isn't Nijisanji. Nijisanji is a project from Anycolor in the same way hololive is from Cover. My only problem is saying "Nijisanji did this, they are members of nijisanji" when that's not the case. If you care about yumenographia, feel free to do it, but in the right way, not involving something that wasn't involved.

>>13810734
>>I’ll continue working but I won’t pretend to enjoy it
when they broke your hopes

>>13809880
Is there shizurin's vtuber friend that graduated recently?

>>13810893
I won't pretend that I care but I feel bad for them

>>13809837
Wrong, it will have an indirect effect. Yumenography was a Anycolor project. If they're getting scrapped, whatever funds Anycolor allocated to them can go to Nijisanji instead.

>>13810710
>not blaming nijisanji
Duh, does Nijisanji even have any independent management that is not Anycolor?

A better example for you would be “not blaming Hololive Productions if Innonaka label did X”

>>13810891
I say it again, that's not what a black company is. This situation would need to be much much worse than this to be like that. There's no black companies be it anycolor, cover, 774 or any other.

>>13809725
>nijisanji graduation
>hololive debut
what a sad contrast

>>13810891
At least she wasn't raped by her manager and had to threaten to sue the company

>>13810412
i don't see the vod views going down yet
I believe they'll start to verify it after sub culls period is over in a week, if we go by what council experienced

>>13810891
>>13810908
Notice that’s not a direct quote, just a summary of the feeling

>>13811009
Up8...

>>13810967
I'm prettys ure Yumenographia and Nijisanji have different staff. But let's use a different example then. There was an incident where suisei was neglected by INNK. No one blames cover or hololive for it but only INNK. In this case, i think cover/innk should be blamed but not hololive. That's my reasoning for this situation here as well.

>>13811016
kek, when things go wrong just invent things about the opponents to win the argument (in your head)

>>13811016
Try harder

She literally cannot stop
https://twitter.com/LaplusDarknesss/status/1465446914476822528

>>13808437
> it's a hobby, so it doesn't count.
Oh nonono, 2views indies are not vtubers according to this nijinigger.

>>13811106
>No one blames cover or hololive for it but only INNK.
People most definitely blamed Cover. Hell, is there anything to have ever happened even tangentially related to them that is not blamed on Cover?

People would blame Cover for the 2011 tsunami if they were around back then.

>>13811009
when did this company does bad thing = black company meme start?

>>13811016
I think it's more damning that your talent decided to graduate because of stalker issues. Mel sure had initial problems with ex-manager turned stalker but she got what she wanted and she's still thriving in Cover. The other girl however is having fun streaming while showing her real face.

>>13811187
My queen!

>>13811187
lol, this child made global seethe
yltsi

>>13811187
I love holox and i'm a nijifag

>>13811234
>Mel
Thank you for mogging kuzuha, gen 6 and upcoming marine sex Meru sama

curious tourist here:
anyone got HoloEN total hours streamed at hand (preferably omitting published member streams/including all member stream hours)
I'm wondering if recent months let Mori close the substantial gap she had with Ina

>>13811234
nta but I don't know how you can see that as a good thing. The first case had her in that situation for months while the staff was protected while in the second the situation was in fact overprotection where the stalkers were dealt with. Lulu wanted to stream so she graduated to do it instead of having to take breaks every time a stalker appeared.

>>13810734
I mean that tweet has less than 300 likes. Ina's La+ illustration has 100K. Is there really much support for them?

>>13811187
If she's not getting over 20k next month for some stream she's going to use the cull cope of live ccvs.

>>13809659
> "I have it much worse, so you have no right to dissent!"
> "I lost both of my arms, why are you crying over the lost of one!"
Relative privation fallacy, sasuga AnyColor bootlicker.

>>13811609
Fubuking will slap the chibi

>>13811697
Sasuga cover bootlicker. you wouldn't be insisting on this so much if it wasn't related to nijisanji. If it happened in vspo or any other jp agency, you would just ignore.

>>13811538
There isn't. Yumenographia is barely known by niji fans be it in jp or not. Only chance of anything happening was if this happened in nijisanji. Then you can be sure fans would fuck up everything much like it happened with the meiro-roa situation at the time, but probably worse.

>>13811452
This list probably will be updated tomorrow. You can check on @Holo_Data

-1k

>>13811512
The person was fired. Not protected. Why are you changing facts? The issue was pursuing the person after they were fired. Lulu is still a stalker issue and the way they chose to handle it is to handicap their already handicapped talent.

>>13811187
Disgusting

>>13812069
get out of this thread faggot

>>13812021
Yes, the person was fired months later, but before it they were protected as there's no way that's not known inside and mel herself didn't use cover but a separate lawyer for this. Similarly to sexual harassement cases in the movie and game industry, this was obviously known until they couldn't hide it anymore. There's a reason cover had to take a statement.

And the way anycolor choose to deal with it is the standard procedure: go to the police, protect the victim, etc. Lulu wanted to stream so she chose to graduate to not have them and herself deal with those issues.

>>13810959
kek

>>13812310
>There's a reason cover had to take a statement.
Cover had to take a statement because of people who kept on spreading rrats like what you're doing now.

>>13811982
any stats for last year? the twitter in question only had it up till March of 2021

>>13812310
If you are accusing someone inside your own company, it is best to hire your own lawyer anon-chama. HR surely won't fucking fire you right away just because someone shouted sexual harrasment. The point here they did take action and was able to maintain the relationship with their current talent which you cannot say the same for Lulu. Do you honestly believe that a person like Mel will not burn Cover if she didn't think she was properly satisfied? The girl is more prolific than you think in the indie scene and is making more money outside of Cover to actually care to stay but she did. Lulu is for one also in the same boat that she can stay or leave if she really wanted to and she decided to leave because fuck Anycolor.

>>13809837
>>13810960
it's also vshoujo too. HoloEN does nothing but play games and stays in their own sphere while everything around them explodes and they remained unaffected

>That smug look, just there, waiting for someone to go below the line
The true guardian of numberfags, tanned demiurge, I Kneel!

>>13812599
nta but I don't think you can judge this guy considering how Lulu said before and after that it was amicable. There's nothing in this entire story where she's like you're saying. If anything with what we got from info from her, it's the exactly contrary: they provided everything she needed for the issue and her issue wasn't related to that at all.
Honestly this reads a lot like fanboy shit.

>>13811774
I'll call out any company if the news are presented to me. But go ahead with your deflection.

>>13812861
Waiting for your ranting about Wactor, Cyberlive, 774, Vspo, Live and many other agencies that had it in the last months.

>194k
man jp audience is huge.

Just going to leave this here:

Bora Graduation stream and Selen's birthday stream will not clash. They take place at two different times.

Also to the people commenting: nijisanji graduation VS Hololive debut. Nijisanji is about to debut new talents. Not saying they will be bigger then HOLO X. I just don't know why the comparison of graduation vs debut comes from when nijisanji is about to debut new talents.

>>13813113
nijijp debut?

>>13813074
Waiting for you to bring the news to me.

>>13813156
NijiEN wave 4 I think. Only worthy about that is to see if male chuubas can be sucessful on the west.

>>13813113
Can a new JP Gen of Nijisanji break 100k i wonder. That'll be a milestone.

Also if a NijiEN Gen 4 will be males. Can they get 25k+?

>>13813113
It's not a matter of clashing times but simple viewership. I suspect it'll prove what Niji should've done with their investment instead of what they actually did.

>>13813113
>Nijisanji is about to debut new talents
Of course they do

>>13811851
if this was the other way around, I'll willing to bet the nijifags in JP will never let Cover hear the end of this.

Baewatch only sub 5k.. Council bros.. Where's the 180k..

>>13813293
Yeah true.
Nijifags are hypocrites

>>13813236
>male
This is going to be a shitshow of unheard proportions isnt it

>>13813076
>11
who's that?

>>13813244
they have to beat gen 5's number first

>>13813542
Wait did they beat myth and council debut number?

>>13813879
i think they beat myth but only leo beat council

>>13813399
if you are a holobrony yes, considering you are picking the main channel instead of the channel of the vtubers.

>>13813393
>>13813293
I'm sure the few people from 5ch who uses twitter represent everyone in the end of the day. After all between the like 100k fans that exist, they are all on 5ch.
But hey, someday you guys will notice that most of the fans be it from holo or niji aren't in that war.

>>13814031
That was on their channel

>>13813205
Laila suspension and Vspo controversy around smurf accounts were and are all around this board.

>>13813236
Depends on what do you mean by successful.

If you mean successful as in holoen? No chance whatsoever.
If you mean successful as reaching the same or almost the same as nijien? very likely.
Males from tsunderia have between 100 and 50 viewers, which is similar to the girls, so I expect a much larger number for nijien as well in every front.

>>13814109
The main channel, yes. Not the individual Vtubers channels.

youtube streaming related news, another big name twitch streamer is moving over, ludvig. it shows that yt is willing to attract streamers continuesly. tick tock twitch

>>13813244
I hope you don't mean 25k as in live viewer debut numbers but sub numbers.
>>13814109
Yes. And each debut had much more than 6k in them. They don't make it easy for you guys to numberfag kek

>>13814262
https://twitter.com/LudwigAhgren/status/1465442046328524805

yeah just saw the news. I wonder if the algo will start changing to promote more livestreaming.

>>13814147
Oh, I remember that event. Wouldn't have happened if nijiniggers didn't mass reports their 'competitors' as usual. Despite transforming from NND to YouTube, the toxicity never changes.

>>13814262
That's a pretty big pick from youtube.
Must be millions there to get him

>>13814262
>>13814320

>>13814465
> 18k
That's around Gura's CCV.

>>13814320
maybe if 30 more like this move to yt and they somehow fuck up their growth

can someone spoonfeed me the "accelerate" Riku thing?

>>13814465
wait, some holos are bigger than this guy

>>13814320
>the decideing factor was not needing to stream that many hours on his contract
interesting

>>13810017
I like and watch Nijisanji, but this is the numbers thread.
If we see a niji member down in the rankings, but has potential to be a superstar and get immense numbers in Hololive ofc we're going to debate it.

Same way to a lesser extent people were talking about how Holostars would do in Nijisanji or Animare. But that discussion was pretty much dropped when the confirmation they'd all get 3Ds meant that no one was moving until at least the concert.

>>13814606
Twitch really valuing long streams huh

>>13814465
From what I see, he only gets that fame for the time streamed and the subs counts per day but for anything else, Marine, Pekora and maybe Subaru does things better.

>>13814262
>>13814320
>>13814465
why does Susan hate Hololive? they have better numbers than this yet Youtube rarely talks or gives them the spotlight.

>>13814234
>Males from tsunderia have between 100 and 50 viewers, which is similar to the girls
Lagging in subs though, taking the last and and third to last positions within both their gen and the company as a whole.

>>13810040
Roberu interviewed his legs once.
I think Kiara's on the same level.

>>13814433
then you guys wonder why nijisanji fans say that you guys blame them for everything.

>>13813399
Alot of niji en fans are holoen fans. Lots of larping unicorns who will seethe at the sight of males on /vt/ at least.
Should not be much of a shitshow outside of here, well, besides doing dogshit numbers.
Nijien males will show that manjisanji only works in japan.

>>13814688
Because of business101.
You don't need to please your current customers as much as your potential customers.

>>13814692
To be fair, they are about the same level as the girls. There's not much distance in subs or viewers. Lisa is the only one fairly above and that's because a holo clipper recommended her in a video.

>>13814688
this is to hurt twitch and become the face of streaming
Holo is already on board they dont need to do anything with them.

>>13814736
cry me a river nijinigger

>>13814688
Because they're not english face cam streamers.

>>13814736
Theyve been ongoing that ever since /vt/s inceptionm fucking chinks were once our side, had to fight nijiniggers on nipland to lessen the damage towards Holo. Fucking fuck off.

ALWAYS FUCKING REMEMBER, THE HATE TOWARDS NIJISANJI NEVWR CAME OUT OF NO FUCKINF WHERE

>>13814688
I just wish they wouldn't completely ignore them and not even acknowledge their existence

>>13814802
>>13814812
isn't it a good flex if they showcase how strong their streamers are compared to twitch?

>>13814786
There's a lot more of ex-hololive/holoen fans than anything. In any case, I doubt they will do worse than the female equivalents. I can see all of them doing similar live viewer numbers and at least one surpassing many. We'll see.

>>13814682
He holds the record for most subscribers ever in twitch thanks to the month long subathon, but it's nothing really amazing outside of that.

>>13814885
is hard to do a flex with vtubers since only like 20 max vtubers in twitch exist and they all are still under hololive.Vtubers appeal to a market most IRL streamers barely do.
they need irl streamers to atract more irl streaemrs.

>>13814870
meds. Even if that was true, the fact you put a few people over like 100k of fans is just dumb. I doubt those girls who are fans of nijisanji appearing in their concerts or a bunch of salaryman are like that. You see a few on the internet and do dumb shit like that.