/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

She shares an artist with Amelia from Hololive
Amelia fans saw this and flocked to her
She tags her videos with Hololive names so they keep coming
Thus her audience is all Hololive EOPs

Unironically ask reddit.

>>1369839
She's a walmart brand hololive, and she had a yab that made her japanese audience abandon her.

She does weekly-ish english learning streams.

>>1369962
What yab

>>1369962
What yab it was?

>>1369928
>She tags her videos with Hololive names
She didn't do that, it was her old agency

>>1369928
Op here, ok, a lot of this make sense but i still don't undertand why so many people watch her when they can't understand what she is saying, that's what i find the most amusing haha but hey as long as everyone is having fun, that's cool

>>1370010
Don't try, anon, the seething holochinks live on the past, they can't read, etc.

>>1369839
She can read English and can speak simple English. Got that after weeks of Duolingo and talking to chat.

Check her twitter, a lot of replies are in JP. There's still JOP support just not vocal.

She's doing another stream an hour from now trying to convert English to Japanese. This addresses both JOPs and EOPs.

>>1370000
>>1370002
Combination of
A: Stiffing an artist
B: Using hololive metatags and thumbnails
C: Saying she was an indie when she was backed by a company

ask reddit instead

>>1370077
>why so many people watch her when they can't understand what she is saying
A good chunk of her viewers are able to understand basic Japanese even if they do comment in English. Uto interacts with her English fanbase better than almost every other Japanese vtuber. Uto's cuteness transcends the language barrier.

>>1370000
>>1370002
do your fucking reps, its literally all over the internet even on her twitter

>>1370100
She was also using thumbnails that used Hololive fanart as a meme template which was seen as a moral nono.

>>1369839
SHE'S A LEECH, LIAR AND SCAMMER! The Japanese have abandoned her and only retards watch her.

>>1370100
I see, the one that dont pay up for her art?

>>1369839
She based and comfy

>>1370138
her fans made that thumbnail

>>1370119
Dont reply to me you waste shit, you dont even try helping, just give answer why you try to be so secretive?

Also i dont use twitter

>>1370153
she paid but the artist make a huge fuss about it even nrkm jumped on to the issue.

>>1370153
She paid in the end, but the damage was done and now she's purely for EOPs

>>1370164
Yeah, and she used the thumbnail.

>>1370145
But she smart tho, unlike Aloe no one fired her ass KEK
She got away with murder and now shes making bank, smart lil shit got you niggas seething and theres nothing yall can do

>>1370178
fucking newfag, searching stuff up on the internet is that hard for you?

>>1370145

>>1370077
She never talks about anything complex. If you watched a few years of anime you would be able to understand her.

holofags are seething because an indie steal their oshi potential viewers and superchats

>>1370191
Oh no! she's forbidden to use the work of her fans!

>>1370283
I never said that. I'm saying that's a reason Japs attacked her. And it is.

>>1370010
I remember when her whiteknights were saying she was so smart for doing that lmao

>>1370300
>Japs
Only Narukami and his followers (~2000 dislikes in that Apex stream)

>>1370387
Narukami and his fantards are also Japs, yes.

>>1370382
I mean, in the end it was. She lost her nips, but kept all of her EOPs.

>>1370145
take your meds

>>1370195
are you black or just an esl?

It's amazing that she has dedicated anti threads. How many holos can do the same? They have maybe one dead thread with lewds.

>>1370403
The point being that she wasn't even the one to make the decision in the first place so it's funny

QRD:

>asked artist for art
>artist didn't ask for payment, or price
>she used the art, didn't pay
>artist rages on social media about never receiving payment
>she apologizes, agrees to send over $15
>JOPs and artist eternally seething still over nothing

>>1370495
she didn't use the art and she paid before artist raged on twitter

>>1370495
>artist rages on social media about never receiving payment
The artist only posted it on social media after she was paid by Uto.

>>1370429
Here in 4chan i'm called a Nigger but yes, i'm Black

>>1370530
>>1370533
This just makes the JOPs and artist sound even more deranged

>>1370558
Japanese in general are fucking autistic

>>1370447
chikin...

>le JOPs have abandoned her
She's practically unknown in JP circles, viewers being dedicated fans from her previous fanbase and whoever saw her debut
Even with NRKM and the recent song covers she's still mostly unknown today

>>1370000
>>1370002
An artist on twitter who used to draw free shit for her before she was popular got upset when they were promised compensation and Uto either ignored or forgot about them. They were promised a $15 Amazon gift card, but Uto unfollowed and blocked them. Several months later, the artist messaged Uto and she kept her end of the deal. The artfag then posted their personal messages to twitter and JOP's noticed that Uto's initially friendly attitude changed after she had unfollowed them (she initially addressed them as "Chii-chan" and later spoke to them in a more business formal tone). This led her to gain the nickname "かしこまりましたちゃん", which is based off of the formal phrase she used often in their conversation.

5ch immediately jumped on this yab to expose her past identity, during which she had some drama with another girl in some gaming group. The details of this incident are pretty much a "he said she said" sort of situation, but Uto eventually left the group because of the drama.

JOP drama chuubas took advantage of this situation and began pumping out videos detailing the whole fiasco. EOP's most likely didn't watch the videos, didn't care, or defaulted to white knighting. The vast majority of hate comments on her Apex video were written in Japanese, likely from JOP's.

There was also a small incident with a musicfag who had complaints similar to the artfag, but he never followed through.

In addition, Uto's earlier videos had metatags with "hololive" and several hololive members' names. There was debate as to whether the metatags actually helped boost her popularity or not, but she became hugely popular with HoloEN fans because she shared the same artist mama as Ame. She was called "blue Ame" for a while, and clippers most definitely contributed to linking her name with Ame's. Uto was touted as being "Ame but seiso", but was quickly shut down by Ame when she called Uto a cousin and not a sister. Were holofags upset about Uto leeching off of their oshis? Possibly, but it was likely only a small part of the fiasco.

Now we get to the fake indie issue. 5ch autists figured out that there were some inconsistencies with Uto's story. She claimed to be an indie chuuba, and yet Nabi's profile stated that she did not accept requests from individuals. As it stands, there is no solid evidence to prove that Uto knew Nabi personally beforehand or if Nabi was contracted by Uto's company. The posts on reddit promoting her were also made by new accounts with little to no post histories. Utofags believed that the autists were making up schizo theories, but when Uto returned from her hiatus, she admitted that she had in fact been part of a company. The company had requested that she never talk about them on stream, and that she was to basically pretend to be an indie. At this point in time, she claims to be an indie but is likely still negotiating things with the company. We have no solid evidence at this point as to say whether said company is a chink company or not, but that was what the autists on 5ch were speculating.

That basically sums up the reason why she went on hiatus. I'm not trying to take one side or the other, but it's clear that EOP's and JOP's had quite a different experience. Whether that was due to cultural differences, language barriers, or a mix of both, we'll never know. Uto has been tweeting completely in English and complimenting overseas fans ever since the yab, which leads me to believe that the vast majority of her audience likely consists of EOP's now.

>>1370888
Why I spent my life on reading this useless shit and I don't even want to start thinking about all those mentioned people.

>>1370888
So a bunch of Japs decided to sperg out because an artfag that was already doing shit for free got mad he didn't get his $15 gift card?
This bitch is pretty based. I'll be sure to drop her a sub and add to the English. Fuck JOPs. You all will be infinitely more autistic than EOPs could ever hope to be.

>>1371915
Narukami made a video about it and his autistic goons raided Uto's apex video

>>1371991
>there's a jp equivalent of nux
jesus wept

Getting abandoned by your home country and adored by a foreign one sounds pretty based

>>1371991
>raided
>it was ~1k dislikes
>narukukme
>he got banned
Elmao.

>>1369839
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/1090832/#1095907
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/1168906/#1193014
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/1168906/#1193246

Y'all are in a bait thread retards.

>>1369839
I been watching her and surprisingly enough she can actually speak a lot of english.
Guess the duolingo streams werent all useless.

>>1372703
she does reps off stream

>>1369962
>she had a yab that made her japanese audience abandon her.

lol no
She was already pumping out english study streams way before that situation. Pandering to western viewers was pretty much the first thing she did, which is why she never had many jap fans to begin with.

>>1372703
>>1372815
they actually teach english in japanese schools, so this is just easy vocab stuff for Uto

>>1372819
>Pandering to western viewers was pretty much the first thing she did, which is why she never had many jap fans to begin with.
You are ignoring the privated streams before her live2d debut.

>>1372901
>You are ignoring the privated streams before her live2d debut.
Because it's /vt/, retard.

>>1372916
You can be a vtuber without a live2d model.

>>1372948

>>1372957
Neneka made $36k USD in 2 weeks with a png and ran off with the money

>>1372966
Rule of 95% doesn't make png cutout streamer a vtuber.

>>1372976
>gatekeeping vtubers
let me know when you debut, son

>>1372819
She started doing Duolingo streams a few days after debut since she had a lot of English comments in chat.
>>1372850
For this stream yes, but she is making visible progress and her English is at a pretty decent level for a jp vtuber.

>>1372984
Not an argument: no 2dlive, not a vtuber. There's nothing virtual about putting character png on screen when you stream.

>>1372984
>gatekeeping bad
twitter users out

>>1372997
>>1373002
how about you go and tell all the non-Live2D vtubers that they're not "really" vtubers because some rando anon on a mongolian basket weaving pictograph board said so? bonus points if you tweet at them. i'm sure they give a shit.

>>1373017
why though? it's you who are being retarded

>>1373017
I like vtubers so I wouldn't visit their streams or interact with them

>>1372984
>gatekeeping vtubers
this is on par with fat is healthy bullshit
either fix your irl face or get a 2dlive
there's no gatekeeping there're just entitled shits who think png makes them vtuber versus ugly/paranoid streamer

some still make great content but they're not vtubers in any capacity

>>1373111
say hi to cardboard mori
https://youtu.be/0okfs8kkm9o?t=320

>>1373623
funny joke, not an argument though

>>1370888
Thanks for the autism bro.

>>1373623
>a regular streamer who dons an rigged avatar like in VRchat
>a PNGtuber who plays a fictional character you can interact with
who is more "vtuber" then?

>>1373880
the former one
latter is fictional tuber

>>1372997
>no 2dlive, not a vtuber
Kizuna Ai...
Kaguya Luna...
Virtual Obaasan...

>>1373927
3d is step above nice nitpicking

>>1373940
Who's nitpicking? I'm saying your statement was retarded and shows what a newfag you are to Vtubing as a whole. I bet you just started watching when Hololive clips blew up.

>>1369839
cant wait for naruKAMI to btfo her yet again

>>1373964
You are. This >>1373927 is dishonest whore posting just to defend your original shitty non-argument >>1372984
>>1373017
PNG is not a vtuber, which was your original argument, it's ugly or paranoid streamer behind cardboard.
>I bet you just started watching when Hololive clips blew up.
What reply do you expect to this to your bullshit on anonymous polynesian spear polishing forum? I watched several first videos of Kizuna Ai: it was dumb, boring and pointless. Later when I came back to VTubers she was already through her yabs and completely irrelevant.

2Dlive is where majority of VTubers are and png cardboard doesn't make streamer a VTuber.

>>1374016
Different guy, retard.
Live2D has never been the marker of what makes a Vtuber. This isn't being dishonest - this is a fact. It shouldn't hurt your feelings that 3D chuubas used to be the norm and count as Vtubers. I know it hurts having your newfagness pointed out, but if you want a hugbox you're free to go back to R*ddit.

>>1374032
>It shouldn't hurt your feelings that 3D chuubas used to be the norm and count as Vtubers.
It doesn't. It makes you dishonest whore to use 3D as argument for PNG.

>>1374039
I wasn't arguing for PNG. Reading comprehension reps, now.

>>1374048
Then don't fucking jump into argument about PNG maybe? You're missing context which makes you look like a whore ready to throw anything to protect original non-argument.

>>1374055
>how dare you point out a retarded statement on an imageboard
Cry more.

>>1374004
Sending his retarded fanbase to give her stream some dislikes and mean comments = btfo? kek
Faggot got btfo by buddha, good riddance.

>>1374070
>retarded statement
>>1373964
>Who's nitpicking?
You are. You've jumped into an argument about PNG and brought up 3D out of your ass to defend it, then get offended that you're taken for another anon. Learn how anonymous imageboards work, newfag.

PNG is NOT Vtubing, that was my point, and I stand by it. Just because you want to insert your hairy smelly neckbeard ACKSCTSHUAALYEEE about 3D, doesn't make it less of a fact.

You can fuck off with your ad hominem too: 3D chuubas sucked ass, still do, which is why they were replaced.

>>1374101
You're a retard for thinking Live2D is what makes a Vtuber when 3D Vtubers exist and used to be the norm. This is a fact. I was never arguing for PNG Vtubing. This is a fact. You are autistically invested in this non-argument and your constant misspelling of Live2D as 2DLive is embarrassing. This is also a fact. Cry. More.

>>1374122
I'm thinking PNG doesn't, everything else is your projection because you retard jumped into reply chain without learning context of discussion first.

>>1374134
3D Vtubers are still Vtubers. This was my only point and it makes you angry enough to write paragraphs and piss your pants over the fact that somebody pointed out that you were wrong on the internet. Meds.

>>1374161
>3D Vtubers are still Vtubers.
>This was my only point and it makes you angry enough
Because you false-flagging piece of shit jumped into middle of discussion from the side of retard that equated vtubers to png cutouts. Go fuck yourself.

>>1374186
>false-flagging
You don't know what that word means. Please, save us both from any more English mistakes on your end and just accept that 3D Vtubers are Vtubers.

>>1374201
>3D Vtubers are Vtubers.
They are. >>1373940 I agreed with you ten posts ago, fucking mongol.
>3d is step above nice nitpicking
Get your head out of your ass and do reading comprehension reps.

>>1374210
If you agree, why are you so angry? What a sad way to live.
>3d is step above
Isn't proper English, by the way. That's a failure on your part, not mine.

The thing that weirds me out about her is that she doesn't collab with anybody. Is she even friends with any other vtubers? Seems kind of lonely.

>>1374224
>If you agree, why are you so angry?
If you're so calm, why are you trolling outside of /b/?
>Isn't proper English, by the way.
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>>1374265
even corpos have collab-free period after debut
after her yab some time has to pass

>>1374278
>trolling
All I did was point out that 3D Vtubers are Vtubers. And you agree with this. If you don't want ESL-speak to be pointed out, don't speak like an ESL. Is there anything else you'd like to nonsensically rage about?

>>1374300
>>1374055

>>1374314
I'm not going to apologize for pointing out that you were wrong, anon. You're just going to have to take that with you to the grave.

>>1374321
>>1374210

>>1374333
Yes, I pointed out that that was ESL-speak. I'm not apologizing for that either.

>>1374346
>ESL
what your going to do about it, stop replying?

>>1374367
>what your going to do about it
Point it out, like I'm doing right now by highlighting this sentence.

>>1374378
oh no anyway

>>1374385
Anyway what?

>>1371831
Basically to answer the question as to why all of her viewers speak english is because she's involved in a lot of shady shit and done scummy stuff
The language barrier protected her EOP normalfag fans have no clue about any of this they don't speak japanese and just write it off all the hate as trolls targeting her for being a popular indie

>>1374397

>>1374411

>>1374405
>done scummy stuff
Source?

>>1374265
she has a collab tomorrow

>>1374420
i knew you were talking out of your ass

>>1374458
You came to that conclusion because I responded to a reaction image with a reaction image?

>>1374423
Literally her own twitter

>>1374477
seems like typical NDA
https://twitter.com/amatsukauto/status/1361880048068796416?s=20

>>1374405
>>1374477
>involved in a lot of shady shit and done scummy stuff
>got involved with a company
>turns out company was shady and took advantage of her
I don't see it, unless you think she's lying/making things up.
Also most of her chat was English way before the yab.

>>1373111
Jesus. I remember retards in /jp/ 3 years ago having this exact discussion about wether live2d were real vtubers or not compared to the 3D ones like Ai. So now people have taken it one step further huh.

>>1374641
>people
Just the poorfag twitter trannies with cardboard "avatars"

>>1374641
I wonder what the 2D hater would think of this thread if he was still around.

>>1374699
he'd argue for mone 3D that some chuubas use nowadays and get shat on by anon for refusing to acknowledge the good "low" entry bar did to the industry

full body 3D is expensive and requires not only good rig but to wear a fucking green suite inside pretty spacious studio versus 2x2 air-conditioned streamer booth in 6 tatami jap apartment

>>1374724
>mone 3D
*home 3D

Also maybe not a green suite but those dumb stripe belts.

>>1369839
my guess is that she does alot of "lets learn english" streams wich are quite enjoyable

also imo she doesnt talk alot but when she does its pretty clear what she's trying to convey even for a dumb gaijin like me

>>1374724
>full body 3D is expensive and requires not only good rig but to wear a fucking green suite inside pretty spacious studio versus 2x2 air-conditioned streamer booth in 6 tatami jap apartment
Just use SteamVR tracking. I'm going to get full body once Tundra Labs puts up their Kickstarter for the tundra tracker. Tracking is not computationally expensive, it does not require a lot of space, and you don't have to wear a suit.

>>1375015
>also imo she doesnt talk alot but when she does its pretty clear what she's trying to convey even for a dumb gaijin like me
Yeah, that's another method of overseas (weebs) pandering: speaking like an anime character. I love it.
>>1375229
>Just use SteamVR tracking.
How many chuubas have VR?
>it does not require a lot of space
I think you don't understand jap standards of living space.
> Tundra Labs puts up their Kickstarter for the tundra tracker
Inderesting, I only use backwards custom Win7 drivers for Oculus CV1 and the only game I play is Beat Saber. With fucking BTC scalpers everywhere, I don't think I'm going to upgrade PC or VR anytime soon.

>>1375282
>How many chuubas have VR
Not enough. The virtual world is in VR and it is silly for virtual youtubers to ignore it.
>I think you don't understand jap standards of living space.
I am positive they have enough room unless their living space is literally a sleeping pod.

>>1375679
>is literally a sleeping pod.
It is.

>>1369839
fake indie shenanigans

>>1370888
>Uto's earlier videos had metatags with "hololive"
that sounds like an understatement lol
"keywords":["VTuber","バーチャルメイド","バーチャルYoutuber","ホロライブ","白上フブキ","赤井はあと","ときのそら","ロボ子さん","大神ミオ","夜空メル","大空スバル","夏色まつり","さくらみこ","百鬼あやめ","紫咲シオン","アキ・ローゼンタール","アキロゼ","戌神ころね","猫又おかゆ","がおう","兎田ぺこら","白銀ノエル","不知火フレア","潤羽るしあ","宝鐘マリン","桐生ココ","姫森ルーナ","天音かなた","角巻わため","常闇トワ","Gawr Gura","Mori Calliope","Watson Amelia","Ninomae Ina'nis","Takanashi Kiara","雪花ラミィ","尾丸ポルカ","桃鈴ねね","獅白ぼたん","癒月ちょこ","湊あくあ"]

>>1377365
now post typical ame stream metatags

>>1377405

>>1377405
>amelia watson hololive hololive english hololiveEN holomyth

>>1377966
>>1377671
>>1377365
Good boi

She convinced me to start doing my reps again.

ssshhh