/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

>88,214: にじさんじ (Nijisanji)
>83,690: Pekora (Hololive)
>43,445: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>39,121: Marine (Hololive)
>34,730: Pekora (Hololive)
>33,977: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>30,290: Subaru (Hololive)
>29,029: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>22,504: Sasaki (Nijisanji)
>22,191: hololive (Hololive)
>20,753: Miko (Hololive)
>20,650: Rushia (Hololive)
>16,172: IRyS (Hololive)
>15,402: Lamy (Hololive)
>12,886: Lize (Nijisanji)
>12,304: Mito (Nijisanji)
>11,807: kson (indie)
>11,531: Mio (Hololive)
>11,457: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,313: Ange (Nijisanji)
>10,762: Fubuki (Hololive)
>10,727: Noel (Hololive)
>10,427: Ex Albio (Nijisanji)
>10,147: Ibrahim (Nijisanji)

>>13361823
I think both companies are pursuing the same types of strategy (converting casuals and new viewers into brand loyalists, but they are going about it in different ways.

Nijisanji seems to focus most of their resources into the main channel and they do lots of company wide events that makes the brand grow, but not necessarily help grow the individual talent's viewers.

Hololive focuses on the individual talent's growth, and it's up to the talent themselves to build the brand in a more organic manner. Aka, the "Hololive is one big familiy" feeling that you get.

Hololive's strategy means that Oshi loyalists are also Brand loyalists. They want to see their oshi interact with the rest of the cast, because it looks like it makes their oshi happy.

You should see how lots of tatsunoko who followed Coco out of Hololive still gets hyped when she talks about her roommate. Likewise, Kanata talking about her roommate is still cherished by the heimin.

>>13363471
Isn't VSPO the 3rd biggest JP company?

>>13365891
>"king" mogged
>twice

>>13365891
5k difference is awfully close to slippage. And that's only 5 girls vs a whole company.

>>13366020
golden gen afterall

>WAIT WHAT?
Numberfags will defend this!

>>13366020
It's not a whole company. Not even half of Nijisanji was part of it, be it JP or the entire agency. For example, Mito, Sanbaka and others weren't on the tournament.

>>13366294
Dog With Tie

>>13366294
any spic that could explain what's going here?

schedules doko... only reimu and finana

>>13366362
Somehow Korone won the election in Chile, episode 0 of "EVIL GOD KORONE", but IRL

>>13366489
You're lost kiddo, Nijisanji English thread is two threads down

>>13366294
This has been a while now, possibly 3 months old

>>13366294
Stop the count!

>bae mio collab
>Mio had apeak of 11k ccv and Bae had a peak 6.5k ccv
>Mio ended with 120k views and Bae ended with 100k views

>Sana watame collab
>peak of 5k
>130k views
I fucking ate susan

>>13367764
Eat her out well so she fixes CCV please.

Is the NijiEN collab today?

Thread is dead. We're reclining, numberbros...

>>13369683
in ~2h

>>13369954
we are nothing without our tribalsisters

>>13369954
Quick! Spin up a narrative about HoloEN and pit them against HoloJP! Honestly I think it's just that today is pretty sparse compared to the excitement of yesterday. Not much to shitpost about much less actually discuss about.

>>13370206
Why is EN vs JP always about Hololive?

Why can't we pit NijiEN vs NijiJP instead?

>>13370283
That would be bullying.

>>13370499
So is HoloEN vs HoloJP.

>>13370283
Because there's enough there for people to argue both ways about HoloEN and HoloJP, it doesn't matter which way you want to shitpost, you can make the argument stick and get (You)s. The gap between NijiEN and NijiJP is so large there isn't any way realistically to argue that NijiEN is superior to NijiJP without it coming off as disingenuous and patently false. Taking a page out of the resident /sp/fag's analogies it's like comparing a professional team playing at an international level with a varsity team.

>>13369683
>>13370049
Will they beat Sana's numbers?

>>13370625
>there isn't any way realistically to argue that NijiEN is superior to NijiJP without it coming off as disingenuous and patently false

What about song views?

inb4 boosted by ads.

slow and steady 2020 edition

>>13370677
They should be able to. If they can't, then they're truly a failure.

>>13370734
Nijisanji fans and Niji talents gatekeeping EOPs hurt their growth.

Hololive got massively boosted thanks to them being more welcoming.

>>13370283
>>13370499
NijiEn vs NijiKr

>>13370848
Explain how the company gatekept EOPs please. Putting english subtitles on their videos?

>>13370848
We're playing the long game. Hololive won't even be a thing anymore 2 years from now.

>>13370968
Hana Macchia, Shizuka Rin.

>>13371020
Hana was one of the first popular corporation EN speaking vtubers and Rin kicked out pewdie children. Are you going to ignore all the people who have machine translation on their stream, convert their descriptions to English, retweet their translated clips, subtitle their shorts, etc

>>13371138
>Hana was one of the first popular corporation EN speaking vtubers

Yes, and then she pivoted to content that kept out EOPs.

>Rin kicked out pewdie children

Exactly, gatekeeping.

Compare those to the Hololive talents who got an influx of EOPs like Korone.

>>13366020
I lurk in this thread because it's interesting but for numberfags you people really are retards about numbers.

That's 88K on just the main channel for people wanting to watch the whole thing. Kuzuha(43K), Fuwa(30K), Sasaki(22K), Albio(10K), Ibrahim (10K) etc were all streaming their POVs at around the same exact time. This is to say nothing of the fact that Lize and Ange's entries were from streams that started while the tournament was still happening, and the list doesn't cover the likes of Debiru, HSKW, Furen, Axia etc who all streamed to 3-4K concurrently. It also wasn't 'the whole company' at all.

Holo Gen 3 are fucking monsters, but there were far more eyes on the Splatoon 2 event spread across multiple channels.

>>13371277
>machine translation on their stream

Kek. No need for that, just say some words in English cutely.

>convert their descriptions to English, retweet their translated clips, subtitle their shorts, etc

Too late for that now lmao. They only did that after Hololive proved that EOPs are willing to watch.

>>13371379
Meant for >>13371138

>>13371349
shut up nijicope the same shit is apply to sports festival

>>13370980
trust the plan nijibros!

>>13371277
Nijisanji even beat hololive to the meme game for eop.

>>13371349
>I lurk in this thread
Doubt. Everyone knows the numbers thread is mainly for shitposting and tribalposting.

>>13371447
The same thing DOES apply to Sports Festival and I've never argued the contrary.

>>13370848
nijis didn't gate keep but their content was always focused on the local market.
on the other hand Holo content was easily digestible for the west. Maybe the latter was unintentional but if you want to go big on you tube you need content that appeals to a wider range of user first

Biggest example is Koshien vs sport festival.
What would be more accepted by the west weebs?
>>13371458
I have seen betetr numbers for nijien this month will it have a little incline?

>>13371493
Nijisanji has a lot of first mover advantage everywhere, but they almost always get beaten out by Hololive.

>>13371493
And they never had a popular meme for EOP again.

Like the anon said, they get the attention of EOPs, but they always fail to hold onto it.

Happened with Hana, happened with Rin.

>>13371627
It's happening with the KR market too, even with Hololive doing nothing officially there.

Are the smaller companies copying the Niji strategy or the Holo strategy?

Do you think it will work out for them?

>>13371493
the character designs probably didn't help with that. when i first saw that meme i thought it was from some random gacha or anime.

>>13371690
isn't it because they don't know how to capitalize on the EOPs?

>>13371627
Didn’t Hololive actually appear sooner than Nijisanji? Sora’s got some nice growth soon too.

>>13371805
they dont have the reosurces to spam waves like

>>13371690
Hana tried hard to get people to watch the other IDs and failed. HoloEN debut and she just said fuck it.

>>13371850
I'm asking if they're going for a more individualistic approach or a more group oriented approach.

Make your fucking predictions.

1 hour away, and there's already more people waiting than typically watch any of the ethyria talents or petra.

>>13371850
Prism literally had 4 generations in this year.

>>13372119
7k max among all streams

>>13372119
7.5k - 8k max

>>13372165
>>13372119
I'll be generous and say 8k max.

If they break 10k, I'll kneel to slow and steady anon. Especially since Gura is likely to be streaming at the same time.

>>13371944
The ones that I've seen have mostly tried to apply Holo's boxpushing strat but have ended up not really succeeding. They miss the main aspect of Cover's boxpushing method which is black magic. Most of them have a single breakout talent with the rest of them still struggling, regardless of how hard they try to boxpush and end up just resorting back to a shotgun approach hoping one sticks or just puttering along in 2view territory.

>>13372165
shows how uneducated you are, there's only 1 stream
>>13372202
>>13372217
bad predictions. This has been advertised for weeks. It should get north of 10k

>>13372226
That's because boxpushing is not a legitimate strat.

>>13371825
this is the reason i dont care about Niji, my first impression is their character design is bland, just different human with different clothes, for me the model is like a mask, you're free to design something creative or crazy instead they put another human mask. I might as well watch non-vtuber, the only character i can think of that is unique back then was Ars

>>13371805
>>13372226
How smaller are you speaking about? EN 2views, JP 2views or Japanese 3views? Those are kind of different.

>>13372280
You fucking retard, Selen is streaming her own pov.

>>13372280
The last big collab didn't break 10k. We're just relying on past history.

Also, Gura is streaming at the same time.

>>13372226
hololive copied the box pushing strat from .LIVE

>>13372119
15k easy This shit is huge Selen,Pomu, and lewd Fish all average 3k easy add them all together and announcement buff is going to be crazy.

>>13372289
They have a wide range of interesting and uninteresting designs.

They literally have a non human vtuber.

The problem is that the majority of their designs are bland and uninteresting, and the interesting ones are too niche for mainstream.

>>13372323
I'm talking about EN and JP 2views, I've seen a couple use the same strategy and fail grandly.
>>13372364
Doesn't work so well when there's an IED planted in the midst of your boxpushers.

>>13372364
This anon knows too much.

>>13372364

holoLIVE, .LIVE

Coincidence? I think not.

>>13372119
If it wasn't for pic related, then I'd make a bold prediction of 15k. Instead I'll have to go with 8k, but if it breaks 10k I'll be impressed

>>13372562
>>13372328
Numbers blackhole is streaming. How much can she suck off from the other POV?

>>13370625
NijiEN has better chemistry than Most NijiJP

>>13372226
Box pushing only works if there's already a few big names already.

>>13372562
dont mess with NijiEN queen!

>>13372119
Only one stream right? Peak at 9k
Might get 10k but i can't imagine it.

>>13372708
The queen of midgets!

>>13372562
>>13372723 (me)

Ohh wait Selen will stream?
Selen: 5k
NijiEN Ch: 4k-5k

>>13372616
Again this is me being a bit bold, but I'm predicting that Selen will pull 4k while the main pov gets 8k, 14k total ccv.

>>13372863
I suck at math, 12k

>>13372391
>announcement buff
Wave 4? Or.. Voice pack for wave 3?

>>13372927
3D debuts

>>13372391
>15k easy This shit is huge Selen,Pomu, and lewd Fish all average 3k easy
right...

>>13372927
Voice pack. The discord leak showed them talking about voice pack stuff iirc

>>13372966
The meltdown collab got 7.3k
The recent crabgame collab got 8.3k (no advertisement)
This collab has major advertisement

>>13372957
kek

>>13372328
...Why? Are they trying to make Selen the Kuzuha / Pekora of NijiEN? Why is she the only one who gets to stream her PoV (and drains viewers from others) while the rest have to take a step back for the main channel?

>>13372927
Maybe new costumes?

>>13373069
and it got announcement buff. However, 12k and 14 is too high. I predict only 9k-10k

>>13373098
Selen is way superior, entertaining and fun

Are people underestimating the NijiEN collab so they can act smug about it later?

It'll get 11k easily.

>>13372966
This is just one POV. Mario Kart will have multiple POV + Commentator in main channel, therefore muliple multi-viewers.
1 viewer can be counted as 11 assuming they open all POVs.
So they will break 15k assuming Selen's peak of about 4k will also be watching the others' POVs and if we add all CCV

>>13373235
Is this bait?

It's already been tested that YT only counts 1 active viewer across all tabs.

>>13373288
Not if you watch on other devices.

>>13373351
has someone tested this before? i'm curious how Youtube counts multiple devices watching same video from the same public IP

>>13373230
Between Selen and the official channel it already has 2000 people waiting. That's a typical Elira stream.
We've raced past Petra-level, Rosemi-level, Finana-level, Pomu-level. We're now at Elira-level. Soon to be Selen-level

Why did NijiEN Fail?

20k get

Today the day Gura fall to nijisanji en.

>>13373596
if we must doompost about NijiEN let's at least wait until we see how the big event pans out

>>13373652
30k if she said nigga

>>13373596
They didn’t. After NijiIN I expected something much worse.

>>13373706
>>13373720
Why did NijiEN Fail? Did they lack the Tokyo ghoul?

GTA5 now a debuff?

>>13373719
It'd be 40k easy. I do think we could see a 35k get during the Lamar moment from casuals wanting to see what the response will be.

>>13373691
fuck off shitposter, Nijifans do not need to participate in numberwar to justify love to their oshi

>>13373230
>>13373530
becasue waiting room rarely indicates something with Nijien
millie had 500 waiting on her minecraft and peaked at 1.1k
Selene gets 1.3k waiting room and peaks at 3k max.
becasue the low number of subscribers the increase of viewers isnt that much for nijien in relationship to the waiting room.
i ithknk it can reach 10k anyway.

>>13373829
More like Gura is a debuff. Ame got 20k with GTA V with 2 mil less subs

>>13373829
? Gura over 20k means it's neutral or a buff game these days

>>13374035
Gura got 3 mil subs. She should have 60k considering Ame got 20k playing the same game with only 1 mil subs

>>13374035
>3.5m subs
>20k viewers
>neutral or a buff

>>13373829
It's 23k now and still rising (i believe she can get 30k.

I guess it's just neutral for her and if she reach 30k then it's just because of the Nigga scene and first time buff.

>>13374209
Better than Nijiniggers

>>13374247
i say 25k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snMd3mMadYo

>>13374209
Yes that is the statement. Are you here to discuss the numbers or what you think the numbers should be?

lmao it jumped almost 1K for the nigga scene then went back

>>13374795
It's dropping now. People just wanted to see if Gura would say Nigger

Okay, I severly overestimated the GTA buff, yesterday's waiting room looked so promising. Nigga scene over, couldn't even hit 25k before then. I honestly thought this would be a 30k get.

>>13374893
Dead subs

>>13374893
Dead subs memeshark is reclining lmao

>>13374893
Saturday night is just better for stream but still she is gonna end up with 500k vod views specially looking at her pokemon one.

>>13374247
its crazy how this thread cant accept that gura is miko tier, always finding for excuses that guras stream is debuffed

>>13374872
Kek, are those people really retarded? she's a western vtuber, she would got cancelled immediately if she dare to say it

Who would win, one high school student from Nijisanji with 500k subs playing animal crossing or the most popular vtuber in the world with 3.5 million subs playing GTA?

2k on official channel, + 1k for selen
10 minutes to race!!

>>13374893
Let's be honest. For HoloEN standards, that is amazing for a normal game stream.

>>13374893
susan culling holoen ccv especially gura's ccv

>>13374893
It honestly looks like it won't go past 23k.

>>13375093
>specially looking at her pokemon one
jesas just noticed is at 650k

>>13375207
Cope.

>>13375207
I'm a chumbud, and even I say this is cope.

>>13375149
HoloEN is reclinig..

>>13375083
>>13375003
cope

>>13375139
Any last words holofags 15k here we come

>>13375344
*8k

>>13375149
>HoloEN standards
Sure, but the same way Pekora has a different standard from all Vtubers besides Kuzuha, Gura has a higher standard than the rest of EN. It's really on me though, I overestimated how large a buff first time GTA would be. All things considered this is in line with her usual numbers

>>13375139
3 minutes left, th waiting room total is now 4000
2630 on the official channel
1370 for selen

>>13375410
she didn't even see that much of an increase during the nigger scene

>>13375551
With 1 minute left, we're at 4500
3000 official
1500 selen

I'm absolutely shocked that none of you fuckers are autistic enough to take the full-on advanced metrics approach to numberfagging. Like, for fuck's sake, there's more people doing advanced metrics for fucking SPORTS, an audience almost entirely of normalfags, while these threads literally can't do any better than just counting numbers, pointing at graphs, and shitting out rrats about how your counting is better than the other chuuba's counting.

Where are the model-based predictive metrics? Where are the projections? The measures for collab events, converted value, per-game comparisons, the whole works?

How have all of you simply settled for "big number good, small number bad"?

>>13375207
Let's stick with the "cumbuds are spread across different timezones" cope, shall we?

>>13375643
Final waiting room:
3200 official channel
1800 selen

= about 5000

>>13375149
Holoen standards evolution
>40k for HoloEN standards, that is amazing
>30k for HoloEN standards, that is amazing
>20k for HoloEN standards, that is amazing (Gura is currently located here )
>10k for HoloEN standards, that is amazing (The rest are currently located here)
>1k for HoloEN standards, that is amazing

>>13375758
Whoops, they haven't started the game yet, the waiting room is still updating
Official: 4000
Selen: 2200

Total: 6000

Total: 6000

>>13375876
Ok they just started

Final waiting rooms:
official channel: 4150
Selen: 2450

Final Total: 6600

>>13375765
Gura's been at 20k for almost a year. Whether you think the reasons are cope spouting "reclining" is dumb, it's been consistent enough for long enough that the recline already happened and halted.

>>13375149
>>13375410
Not to start this timeloop again and don't take it as a diss to Pekora because 600k for a VOD is always good, but Gura once again got more VOD views than Pekora's stream despite being much shorter and having a notably lower CCV peak and average.

Call it youtube cull or scattered viewerbase, but her numbers are fine. Her GTAV stream is going to end up being 500-600k by the end of the week despite not scratching 30k.

>>13374893
Even full EN collabs can't manage 30k most of the time.

>>13375707
Where there's big money to be made, you can convince people to put in BIG effort.
Vtubers are still smalltime compared to sports. Also, some sports are dull-AF and the only real joy is in toying with numbers (Looking at YOU, Baseball).

>>13375225
Some interesting numbers about their first Pokemon streams. They're both still gaining decent views but Gura's growing faster.

>>13376410
>Gura has been 20k for almost a year
And that's the fucking problem. She used to get more when she had 1 mil subs; now she's getting less with 3 mil? GTFO faggot. She has been reclining since earlier this year

>>13376615
Gura is using bots, that has been proven already.

>4k on main channel 10 min in
was the bet of 13k on all channels or just the main one

>>13376629
You clearly have a vested interest in this beyond numbers, this post reeks of seethe and emotional investment. Or maybe you just don't understand what the present continuous is so you keep using words like reclining instead of reclined

>>13376615
>B-B-But the VOD views
Let the cope begin. Half of those views are just clippers harvesting it for material

>>13376629
If I was Cover, I would put pressure on Omega already to improve this shit up. HoloJP has been on the incline for quite a while, HoloEN on the other hand is approaching mid-tier streamers fast. That's what they get for catering to an EOP fanbase. Karma bitch!

>>13376753
Given that the ceiling for NijiEN combined is ~7-8k, people sayin' they'd manage to break 10-12k combined?
Or something.

Man the anti Gura schizos get really riled up

>>13376073
We just recovred the waiting room total. Will try to catch the final plateau

>>13376427
OMFG can people stop with average VOD view shit. Pekora gets more total VOD views meaning more people are consuming her content overall. Pekora streams basically every day so unless there is something amazing about a Pekora stream there's very little reason watch the VOD since she'll be streaming again within 24 hours.

>>13376615
It's always funny as fuck when you see Gura get 40k likes for a ~20k CCV stream and then you look at the Niji splatoon tournaments from yesterday and the day before get 29k likes despite having 90k+ CCV.

Japs are just incapable of pressing the "like" button.

>>13376753
Total CCV of both channels.
NijIEN's first milestone is to break 10k total ccv in collabs.
They haven't got a single 10k outside Debuts. Can they do it today? We'll find out

>>13376820
Like 20% of ENs viewerbase are Japanese. The EN audience is much, much smaller than the sub counts suggest.

>>13376818
Kek, those ENsimps can find to tiniest fucking shit ever to prove their branch is not dead, even using the tiny Korean fanbase to their pathetic agenda. Nobody in fucking Korea is watching Hololive, they get their fix from indies while the high views are all from shit-eating SEAs.

>>13376928
And the stupid fucks at Cover think they can get anything by catering to EOPs. I hope their shit, as well as Yagoo's entire assets, burns in hell.

Enschizo is samefagging again lol.

Samefagging on cooldown doesn't make you cool or popular, ya faggot. Just makes you look sad, especially when you're doing it so transparently.

>>13377055
What sort of schizophrenia is this? Is this one of those fabled chinks I keep hearing about?

>>13377068
Hate the word, but it's actually so cringe. He's trying so hard to be edgy that it's embarassing.

Man, the schizo is really riled up now that their main event they've been hyping up for weeks can't break 10k.

>6th most viewed clipper is a Korean clipping EN
>two more Korean clippers on the list

>>13376890
VODs are useless for a streamer anyway. That number means shit if your shtick is to attract live viewers. If your live viewers drop, it means you are shit at being a streamer. I can't fucking believe that a branch manage to hire a bunch of terrible "entertainers", but then again, Cover is known for being a "forrest fire" type of company.

they get the gold today but they are still angry

>>13377115
You gotta understand man,.Westchads NTR'd the fuck out of China, and this is their way of coping.

Their feelings are hurt from Aqua, Fubuki, and the other girls choosing the West over sad pathetic CN.

CN got two Hololive gens and it never got the same amount of success as Myth got.

>>13377195
Kek, "Korean" is actually a SEA in disguise. All your precious Koreans watch real streamers.

>>13376945
Nta, but calling the HoloEN branch is just plain wrong lmao. If it was dead then what do you call HoloID, Holostars, NijiEN, NijiID, NijiKR?
Corpse Rotting?

>Gura got more VOD views?
Answer is her fans just prefer to watch vod and don't/can't watch it live

>Likes are higher than CCV?
People might just watched a bit, leave a like then go (they might just watch clips or look for timestamp later)

>>13377282
CN harassed Aqua's friend. They pumped and dumped her in an ill-fated revenge scheme, Now Kagura Mea is irrelevant. This is a warning against siding with the chingchongs.

>>13377400
Don't reply seriously to the EN schizo.

>>13376904
that's what happen when you are full of tourist

>>13377400
i might be wrong but whenever i check twitch numbers don't most main english streamers get around the 20-30 mark with only a few big shots getting above that or for events.
also, most streamers who get crazy CCV are mainly non-english streamers

Has the hyped NijiEN collab passed 10k CCV yet?

>Gura went from 25k to 23k when Niji Mario Kart started

Safe to say that at least 2k of Gura's viewers are NijiEN viewers?

>>13377255
This ain't fucking twitch grampa, VOD viewing is a legitimate thing you can do on youtube. It even nets revenue, and a nice chunk at that when you get high tier numbers like Peko/Gura. I know it upsets you when people point out obvious shit like "a good part of Gura's audience can't catch her live because they're not americans", but try to contain yourself.

>>13376753
i saw at least 10k+ on main in niji general

10k still possible ?

>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - NOVEMBER 2021

1) Marine (Hololive) - 34.7k - Karaoke
2) Pekora (Hololive) - 42.5 - Minecraft (Sport fest prep)
3) Chronoir (Nijisanji) - 48.9k - Announcement
4) Pekora (Hololive) - 36.4k - Rhythm Heaven
5) Luis Cammy (Nijisanji) - 39.4k - 3D Debut
6) Miko (Hololive) - 81.5k - Minecraft Sports Fest
7) Miko (Hololive) - 69.7k - Sport Fest Totsu
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 57.6k - Evil God korone
9) Subaru (Hololive) - 44k - Evil God Korone
10) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 56k - Kuzuha Concert Free Part
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 55k - First FFXIV stream
12) Fumi (Nijisanji) - 38k - 3D Debut
13) Rushia (Hololive) - 81k - Outfit reveal
14) Marine (Hololive) - 81.8k - Subaru's High profile case
15) Lamy (Hololive) - 83.3k - Birthday 3D
16) Pekora (Hololive) - 31.8k - Ape Escape 3
17) Marine (Hololive) - 34k - Bus Simulator
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 82.5k - Minecraft Mod with Marine
19) Towa (Hololive) - 47.5k - Mario Party
20) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 95k - Splatoon Tpurney day 1
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 88.2k - Splatoon Tourney day 2

NijiEn collab 8k get. Now the moment of truth if they can burst through the 9k wall.

>>13377400 (me)
Also there are Korean watchers. I don't know how big the KR Audience but i see SCs from them evrry now and then.

>>13377255
Idiot.
CCV, Vods, SCs, Sponsorships all matters
>High CCV
Means people are willing to wait and watch you live
>High Vods
Means people watch your contents, you can't get Vod views if no one is willing to watch you
>High SCs
Depends of the streamer strat and types of people watching.
But if you get lots of SCs then easily means they're willing to spend money on you despite them not being obligated to

>>13377595
EN streaming market has been around for ages and is hypercompetitive. Also, EN has no real primetime since EN is spoken globally.

Other languages are concentrated into a few streamers because there's not a lot of streamers compared to EN. And for languages like JP, all their audiences are concentrated during JP primetime.

>>13377660
Mori started her stream too, that seems more likely to be the cause.

>>13377795
Sana tutorial boss I kneel

>>13377795
"big event" btw

>>13377795
>8k Ceiling in action

>>13377660
Or, you know, Mori viewers. Who coincidentally has 2k right now.
Also she hasn't gotten to 25k, 24.5k was her top and...she's at it right now.

>>13376427
susan culls pekoras vod

HoloEN has 11 streamers and they managed to break 100k CCV combined for their hyped collab.

NijiEN has 10 streamers and they are barely reaching 10k CCV combined.

>>13377795
>>13377797
Mario Kart Full Collab
>Announced weeks ago
>Announcement Buff
>NijiKR Commentators (i'm not watching it but there are 2 commentators announced right?)

They should get 10k because if they can't then Slow and Steady is wrong

>>13377255
>VODs are useless for a streamer anyway.
For twitch maybe, but VODs are literally the bread and butter of youtube.

>>13377975
I thought they were NijiID commentators?

>>13377795
>286 difference between Niji official EN and Selen

Imagine how embarrassing this is for the official channel to be so close to one chuuba that is your own?

>>13377902
Why does YT keep culling HoloJP VOD views? There must be something fucking wrong with them, like HoloJP is liertally propping up YT Gaming right now and they are fucking shitting on them.

25k

>>13377975
It's an ID and KR

Well, got my 25K prediction, let's see if she goes higher.

>>13378041
They cull everyone's VOD views.

>>13377195
wow there are more korean clippers than I thought and they are getting good views too

>>13377995
Prove it, or your argument doesn't exist

>>13377995
see shibuya hal's and kson's data you enfaggot

>>13378007
one commentator is ID, the other one is KR

lol
I get why, the offical channel is laggy

>>13378038
selen has been higher than the official channel for some time now, in fact if anything it looks like she is taking viewers from the official channel

>>13377995
Most of the content on Twitch can't even be archived so yeah...
I think that's how they get around streamer guidelines and retarded shit like not being allowed to show endings to RE games.
There's monetized channels dedicated to doing watchalongs of Kitchen Nightmares and Gordon Ramsay isn't ramming DMCAs up their asses.

>>13378119
Numbers Blackhole!

>>13378108
>prove watching videos on youtube makes people money
Are you fucking stupid?

>>13378108
The fuck? YouTube’s compensation model isn’t some mystery. It’s views + watch time based premium. YouTube doesn’t pay for ccv at all.

>>13378086
But JP got hit the hardest dumbass. There is no way in hell their VODs are that low compared to even the likes of fucking HoloEN.

>>13378192
DYRBI?

>>13378119
NijiEN is inclining! Go for that 10k Selen. YOU ARE THE CHOSEN ONE TO TAKE NIJIEN TO THE TOP.

>>13378119
At least Selen beat the tutorial boss.

>>13378146
Correct. As long as you don't care about the VODs, you can get away with a lot of shit on Twitch that you would get demonetized/striked/claimed on YT.

>>13378075
Fell down to 24k instead.

>>13377370
That's correct. That's why they will never watch NijiKR.

>>13378332
That's Sana as she's winding down, Sana peaked at around 5.7k.

Smh, Selen is inclining, the nijien channel is declining.

>>13378038
Selen has kinda played a dirty on the main channel since her pov has all the girls voices. Obviously fans will prefer to listen to nijien girls instead of two randoms from other branches commentating.

>>13378119
The Kuzuha of nijiEN.

>>13378373
Too many people being tabbed out (people tabbing in when they hear action and/or know when the big story beats are happening, routine running around is boring at this point for GTA)

>>13378470
Niji foreign branches have no good commentators unlike the JP branch.

>>13378447
They should graduate the entire branch except Selen.

Selen is good enough to carry the entire branch solo. The other girls are just dead weight from Elira's nepotism circle.

This game is pure numbers poison. I mean she's overlapping Gura too but jesas that's bad.

>>13378603
Selen being the ace of NijiEN is proof that hiring from Elira's circle is a bad strategy.

Selen was the only one who didn't get in through nepotism but got in through sheer streaming talent instead.

>>13378603
wave 3 was a mistake

>>13378687
That's around the same numbers Kiara gets from her JRPG streams.

Does it mean that there are only 2k people who are interested in watching JRPGs?

>>13378041
It's the other way around dummy, YT is culling EN CCV
Like now Mori only gets 2k CCV, that's impossible

The 8k cap for nijiEN was definitely true

>>13378687
She's doing her version of Kiara's tales series.

>>13378699
Selen hasn't been the ace lately. Elira is instead.

>>13378687
Yeah but we all knew retro games do absolutely awful for EN audiences.
Mori got 10k on Earthbound ep 1 through her own sheer hype for it.

So did they break the 8k ceiling?

>>13378699
Fuck, I want Selen to shade Elira on this. Elira sounds like a fucking mob boss.

Set 1 just finished, we reached a big peak
Peak: 8.4k
pic related is pretty close to the peak

Will we top the previous peak and reach 9k?

Why is selen the only one with her POV? Thats kind of stupid isn't.

>>13378838
Based on CCV culling, they are at least 25-35k now, surpassing HoloEN now.

>>13378879
Selen is just that powerful

>ENマリカ好きな人多分にじさんじよりホロライブのが向いてる
>ENのこれ好きな奴ってホロのお遊戯会も好きそう
>マジでENマリカつまんねーな. これ大丈夫な奴はホロにハマったほうが幸せじゃね
kek holoEN lite no wonder they are not inclining. sasuga niji jops

One day they’ll be able to show their "potential" ceiling but to get this they need the whole HoloEN to not stream for a few hours. So many people who watch NijiEN consider them only as a second priority.

>>13378699
How do you explain Nina then, because she isn't nepotism hire?

>>13378699
I don't know why they're hiring from the same group of indies. They are too similar to each other to standout.

>>13378932
Translate please

>>13378932
Sasuga retard reading random jop bums who can't even understand english

>>13378936
personally I'm using them as a waiting room until Mumei begins

>>13378992
Because of the chemistry dumbass, who would want to watch a bunch of dumbasses fumbling through a stream while not knowing a single shit about srreaming.

>>13378973
And she's now the most subbed of her gen.

She's only debuffing herself with the retard watchalongs, but she can actually get good numbers.

>>13378877
>>13372966
so they only gained 1k from ethyria lmao

>>13378992
cause they are retards that never learn the lesson

>>13379070
Who wouldn't want to watch a cute girl go on a journey of self improvement and develop friendships on-screen?

NijiEN 12-14k bros, where you at?

>>13379124
>gained 1k
slow and steady

>>13378992
They saw it worked out with Gamers back with HoloJP.

imagine if they had taken all the resources expended on EN and backed nijiKR instead

>>13378992
I don't know why this is being posted. Both Elira and Ethyria girls claimed multiple times that there weren't any nepotism happening and they went in through proper auditions (Nina is a prime example since she's not from so-called Elira's circle). If anything it's not Elira who scouted them but they've decided to try to join because she's in there.

>>13379161
They still haven't hit 10k ccv total.
Holy shit, the 8k ceiling wasn't a meme.
Slow and steady anon, what's your take on this?

Pekora broke the 300M barrier.

>>13379089
I thought that was because she is pandering to the slavs?

>>13379183
they just need to debut 7 more waves and avoid all the graduations to achieve that 15k with a big collab

>>13379070
I mean most of the popular nijis were nobodies like Toya.

>>13376615
what region can still see the dislike numbers? it's been hidden for me for over a week now

Slow and steady to hit 9k

>>13378879
it's probably an executive decree to milk the most viewers because they know Selen gets more than anyone else.

>>13378699
None of them got in via nepotism. All of them applied and many of them didn't know each other before. I don't expect anything from this thread though since you all hate nijisanji.

>>13379334
as a spic I can still see it

>>13379070
Chemistry that fans haven't seen develop on-screen.

There's no story arc to get hyped about.

>>13379235
>>13379183
Nijibros will argue they gained 1k since it was 7k ceiling before.
That's good but you gotta remember that this is a hyped-up collab (announced weeks ago) and the crab game collab was a meme game.

If they can get this again in the next collabs then i'll acknowledge slow and steady cope.

>>13379337
>283631円
how the fuck

>>13379149
Nijien watcher obviously

>>13379356
Because Finana, Selen and Rosemi are the only ones with good pcs for that and the other two didn't want to stream. You guys don't watch them so obvious you wouldn't know that, numberfags.

god dammit selen

>>13379334
indogs here, i still can see dislike number

>>13379368
>>13379226
Are you ShinobiHost?

>>13379070
ah the good and old chemistry cope

>>13379460
dog died let's go?

>>13379499
Who?

>>13379460
she run out of food

>>13379472
also indog here, can't see dislike though

Why can't they just make them all open POV instead, and not the main channel crap. Hearing the ID dude and KR girl grates my ears.

>>13379070
oh hey it's the chemistry schizo, been a while

>>13379226
>There's really no nepotism happening guys
>all the recent hires have been from the same circle
And you can't tell me that they just happen to also be the most popular indies, because there are a lot more more popular than them

>>13379274
Nice Peko.
Since those MGS Streams aren't coming back, i hope she streams it again. It'll get good numbers.

>>13379070
Most people watch because of the streamer and not the game.

>>13379568
Just some Niji defender on the virtualyoutuber subreddit.

I suspect a lot of the regulars their also go on 4chan.

Kizrock is basically confirmed to visit here. He's a Holofag and a Niji anti.

I think the ENschizo is the one that was banned from 3 vtuber subreddits (pm_me_finn_balor_abs)

>>13379499
That faggot is still around?

>>13379715
Because they've actually passed auditions? Duh?

>>13379499
who the fuck are you talking about? The other comment isn't even mine

>>13379786
Is kizrock the one who's spamming nijishitty?

>>13379813
You can always catch him replying to anything anti Niji in that subreddit.

reminder 106k

>>13379423
No idea if Sana is a genius or not, but her numbers are tanking because she's taking forever to progress through the early phases in the game due to trying to catch every random pokemon she encounters and naming them after her SCers.
It's boring to watch her waste her time on this baby level shit, but her SCers will be more loyal after this stream.
She plans to complete the pokedex and name all her pokemon after Sanalites.

>>13379938
Why does Fauna have no picture

>>13379919
what a sad bootlicker...

>>13379786
Remind me again of who Kizrock is?

>>13379687
Lol imagine the numbers.
>total is 8.4k right now so:
Selen: 3.5k
Elira: 1.5k
Pomu: 1k
Others: remaining 3k will be divided on them meaning they will all be below 500

What's Miko's number when she only plays story mode?

>>13379638
that's interesting, i'm curious how do they implement this shit? what's your browser? i'm using Chromium (not Google Chrome) with ublock origins, dunno if that matters

>>13379962
T-thats.. I'm going to SC her now

Might be the peak

>>13380024
Oh hey, 8.4k. Get fucked Holofaggots, NijiEN broke your "8k cap".

SLOW AND STEADY, NEVER DOUBT THE PLAN

>>13379499
include shikiller that guy is a full holo anti lmao quick to post hololive dramas

>>13379786
Pretty well known on holo discord servers for pinging people about statements they said against nijisanji from months ago to try and argue as well.

>>13379962
Genius in terms of gachi farming, which she's shown she's a-okay with doing so. I can respect the hustle.
>>13380024
8.5k. Not anywhere near the 10k some Anons were predicting, but better than their everyday 7k and a slight bump up from Meltdown. Still....

>>13380024
> selen has the voices of all girls
> the other pov has hada and taka along without the voice
of course one side will get more. good considering that i guess

>>13378877
Round 2 finished, and we've reached a new peak
Peak: 8.7k

Some anons here are very knowledgeable about discord servers and reddit. I wonder why…

>>13379627
what are you trying to say?

>>13379962
Genius. Her SCers will be more loyal and will spend more. Also this is similar to Nene's method of drawing each SCers.

>>13380407
all me

>>13379786
>pm_me_finn_balor_abs
LMFAO Kizrock is fucked in the head, but this faggot was legit brain damaged.
Truly fit for this containment board.
I don't think ShinobiHost is here since he's so thin-skinned and defensive that his brain will melt from seething on his first day here.

>>13379919
>>13380299
>>13380407
Because all of them are from reddit and discord. A lot from here are from amecord.

>>13380378
There's actually another round.

>>13379962
Sana is absolutely a genius. She's said from the beginning that she absolutely does not give a single fuck about things like CCV numbers or subscriber count, and has acted entirely along with that up to this point.

She wants a small, concentrated fanbase that will watch her no matter what she decides to stream, and that same kind of group is going to SC just as loyally as a result. She can just have fun and do whatever the fuck she wants, and she'll always have her core to go along with it. Hololive gave her a platform large enough to take that approach and still make a very good living out of it simply by volume.

>>13379962
going with the Flare route. cultivating a small but loyal gachikoi community

>>13380407
Many people come here after being tired of self-censoring on non-anonymous platforms where saying stupid shit and spreading rrats has consequences.
Trying to numberfag on reddit isn't fun.

>>13380299
go back to discord you fag. kill yourselves bringing discord and reddit shit into here.

All of NijiEN and NijiID is worth one HoloEN huh

Holo en should do a pokemon tournament like holo jp

>>13380003
how is that different than the bootlickers from hololive? kek that subreddit is a nijisanji owned with mostly holofags

>>13380721
Kiara is working on it.

>>13380680
All nijiEN = IRyS

>>13380749
ogey bootlicker

>>13380680
depends of the stream NijiEN and ID can mog 2 HoloEN (dont forget about Kiara and Ame) combined

the fact that all of nijien combined was putting up twap-level numbers sure explains a lot of the malding from redditors here

>>13380775
Do the SC comparison of Lazu+Obs vs IRyS again, that was a fun one to watch.

>>13380680
Taka is all of NijiID?

>>13380607
>She wants a small, concentrated fanbase that will watch her no matter what she decides to stream, and that same kind of group is going to SC just as loyally as a result.
this strat works perfectly, just take a look at Kiara and Flare

For posterity
>6,500 votes in 3 minutes
>6,700 viewers
As I was typing this votes exceeded viewers, took 4 minutes

>>13380893
Who?

>>13380775
IRyS is a 10k shitter now. NIjiENs are council tier

>>13380680
There's only one ID and one KR in there.

>>13380949
almost 1k difference right now lol

>>13380949
wrong image...

>>13380988
I see

>>13380949
That's fast. Very fast. Usually takes more than 5 to hit 100% engagement vs CCV for polls.

>>13380949
anon EVERY1 here know about this already

>>13376928
>Like 20% of ENs viewerbase are Japanese.
Source?

>>13380908
I'd be interested to see if viewer attrition for Sana on debuff games will look anything like it does for Kiara on, say, JRPG streams. I actually suspect Sana will lose less viewers for debuffs compared to her average than Kiara, but at the same time she'll also have a lower average in general.

>>13381077
already above CCV

>>13381092
That's why I said it's for posterity. HoloEN don't do polls that often, good to have a record.

>>13380721
chimkin is the only hope

>>13381126
what did susan mean by this?

>>13380498
excuse you, I'm from the niji discord get it right retard

I absolutely despise Mori's Earthbound streams. These are absolute poison on her Median and Average.

>>13381126
>>13381041
10k get

>>13381280

>>13381266
Mori's median and average have been the highest they've been for months I think thanks to Jump King and Pokemon streams.
She'll be fine tanking a few stinkers.

Time for some originals.
https://youtu.be/wTk9AoDWC-0

Nerf Mori, please.

>>13380949

>>13381121
>Sana will lose less viewers for debuffs compared to her average than Kiara, but at the same time she'll also have a lower average in general.
because Kiara IS Numberfag and she organize, stream a Lot of Big collabs, events on her channel

>>13381365
all me btw

>>13381385
That's always what's been so funny to me; Kiara is Myth's numberfag but also seems to have the least natural broad appeal

>>13381385
Anon, the organizer is the one who hosts the collab usually.
The only other organizer in EN is Ame and hers are usually VR stuff.

>>13379962
Sana is so smart

>12 min poll
>8k viewers
>almost 12k votes

Just susan things.

Jesus, I didn't know pm finn balor guy is notorious enoughbto get mentioned here on 4chan. That fucker shitted all over the place on reddit for a while.

Still no announcements that were teased for a while so maybe that will also bump it to 9k? Who knows?

>>13380378
Round 3
Peak: 8.7k

I kinda believe that Youtube culls viewers. But i'm not one of those who believe Gura is actually a 30k Median streamer.

>>13381126
This ccv vs votes here are sus

>>13381798
SLOW AND STEADY CHADS, WW@?

>>13381796
>>13381798
I don't know but it's kinda of a letdown.
This hyped-up collab that was announced weeks ago should've made them break 10k already.

>>13381365
Wtf that is actually absurd. Like if I was Cover I’d be annoyed as hell by stuff like this. Though I suppose they have actual unique viewer metrics

Kronii and Bae are playing that Korean MOBA again today. I wonder if there will be more Koreans watching this time.

And speaking of Korean, what happened that that 2nd Korean study stream from Bae? Did it happen already?

>>13381915
If they hit 9k it'll indicate some growth. I'll spare them some pity and congratulate them for that.

>>13381796
I'm hoping its not just voice packs.

>>13381933
It will be tomorrow anon.

>what happened that that 2nd Korean study stream from Bae? Did it happen already?
Yeah it did and she got bad numbers due to overlapping with JP Titans in the JP Primetime (correct me if i'm wrong, my memory of it is vague)

>>13381928
Unique viewers, retention time, all those good metrics that we don't have access to...
>>13381933
She wasn't feeling too hot and cancelled the 2nd one.

>>13381450
to be fair she play a lot of long debuff game and she aware of it so she is trying to compensate by working hard (by her own words)

>>13381933
so another sponsor stream?

>>13381365
How long was the poll? And they played the chess around 1h 5 mins mark of the stream not 4 mins

>>13381803
My suspicion is that culls are directly proportional to what Youtube's algorithms "expect" a channel "should" have for viewership, which is how you get the most absurd instance of this I've ever seen in >>13381365. You combine 1). a two-streamer collab on a single POV with 2). the guest having a significantly larger viewership than the host channel, and Youtube's culling goes "no way this streamer should have ~15k viewers, let's remove the "bots"

Of course, how that's calculated and what those culls actually mean is an entirely different question

>>13381456
this isnt only Big collabs, but Holotalk, MC with Mom, live watchalongs and other stuff like this

>>13382115
That was the JP study stream in JP primetime you're thinking about.
>>13382157
We'll know for sure when they do the stream tomorrow.
>>13382171
Pretty long, but I remember that it was pretty screwy even a few minutes in.

>>13382177
I suspect they use AI so they actually have no idea how it decides. They feed data in and data comes out. The actual “decision making” process might be completely opaque to them.

>>13382050
>it'll indicate some growth
Nta, but it was a hyped-up collab that was announced weeks ago
If they can get numbers like these again in their next big collab or 8k in a normal collab then i'll acknowledge they'ev grown

>>13378108
The fucking state of desperate nijiniggers. What happened with the collab?

>>13382171
>And they played the chess around 1h 5 mins mark of the stream not 4 mins
...Have you never watched a stream live before? It'll show what time you opened the stream for the entirety of the stream, regardless of how long the stream has been running.

>>13380407
Can't compare shit in reddit because it's a hugbox.

I'm fine with my fave streamer(Gura) getting shit on if it means I get to shit on other vtubers too.

>>13382321
Idk about yours but mine doesnt freeze.

>>13382634
Classic Youtube superior coding

>>13382659
Written by the best pajeets money could buy.

>>13381092
Not everyone knows going by the amount of people who still claim holoEN doesn't beat holoJP in terms of real live viewers (not Susan's faked CCV)

Today's superchats

>>13382944
hololive doko?

>>13383025
blindchama...

Selen ended her stream. Main ch at 5.6k

New campaign from Bushiroad.
https://twitter.com/bushi_creative/status/1462616835098963970

People continue to perpetuate the idea that tabbing away nullifies a view when there is a mountain of evidence that it doesn't. Only on phones where you have to actually cancel the stream to watch another. That 7-8k figure you get from adding Nijis includes a significant number of multi-streams. When it's all concentrated down to one POV you see the general size of the audience. Likewise with Selen, most of the people watching her likely has the other POV open already so it won't rise very dramatically.

>>13383367
Coco is still there...

I hope someday Mano Aloe also gets to be included as an [OG]

>>13381798
I guess this the peak, 8.7k. Increased by 200 from crab game. Kinda wish they play something that will have all their POVs on so its a better measure. Can't tell if they inclined or its just tourists.

lmao they're promoting jp goods at nijien stream

>>13381798
And there it is, we reached the max peak during the award ceremony

Official channel: 5900
Selen: 3500

Total: 9.4k

>13383511
Stop trying to start a timeloop.
Tabbing out (whatever gadget you use) makes your view nullified, and that's a fact already.

Oh finally physical goods for NijiEN.

>>13383367
seems like they are raffling exclusive merch all over japan?

>>13383534
>coco
I assume that the deal for a collab that still include her was made before her graduation.
>aloe
You fucking wish.

>>13383367
is it me or is the website not working?

>>13383511
This, that's why no holo streams have ever beat Niji koshien despite the severe coping from holobronies that split views count