/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>13314409
Nothing, it's just your taste.

>>13314409
Niji > Holo.
Cope.

Nothing, you just like hololive and instead of living with that, you make that garbage thread thinking quality is related to numbers.

>>13314409
Your post is a mess. JP first and only vtuber agency? JP? The place where Nijisanji is more popular as a region?

Also, Holo ID pander to eops. They barely speak indonesian compared to Maha5 and NijiID

>>13314409
Nijisanji ID, 90% of their subs are probably JP or EN tourists.

This is the fifth thread on the board right now obsessing over Niji's numbers in some way.
Why are Holofriends like this?

>>13314409
>and these branches are supposed to be watched only by Indonesians.
HoloID has a huge non Indo audience though

>>13315119
No Holo streams so they're bored.

>>13314409
>HoloID
>supposed to be watched only by Indonesians
Indonesians watch maha5 and nijiid. Holoid is a beta version of Holoen, streams in Indonesian for them a debuff. If we remove EOPs, then they will be on the same level with maha5 and nijid

>>HoloID
>>supposed to be watched only by Indonesians
>Indonesians watch maha5 and nijiid. Holoid is a beta version of Holoen, streams in Indonesian for them a debuff. If we remove EOPs, then they will be on the same level with maha5 and nijid

Wojak guy is REALLY bored today.

>>13315970
Except NijiID also panders to EOP though? which makes them a debuff

>Except NijiID also panders to EOP though? which makes them a debuff

>>13316372
>Except NijiID also panders to EOP though?
Only a few vtubers do this and they are generally more successful. For others, Indonesian is the primary language.

>>13316372
Do they? I've only seen Bobon, Mika, and sometimes Layla engage with the NijiEN girls. Even Hana has only collabed with NijiEN twice in the 6 months EN has been around (both as part of 4+ person collabs).

>>13314409
Hololive: takes care of all of their talents
Nijisanji: never takes care of their talents and always looks to replace them with the next branch

>>13314409
>What does make

>>13314409
>tfw shittiest niji id has the most subs
getting that clipper viewership seems to be worse with >quantity over quality

>>13316655
You do realize that Hana was pretty much the only english pandering youtuber from the extremely early vtuber days right

>>13316553
There hasb't been a single graduation in ID, plus their manager takes care of them like ordering dinner or getting them sponsorships, nice videos, that VR party, etc.

>>13316553
>takes care of all of their talents
Why, then, talents complain about hololive and sometimes get hysterical?

>>13316905
Hololive kept a talent who quite literally had sex on stream, which is definitely against all guidelines.
If this is not "care", I don't know what is

>>13316447
but in my opinion, pander on mixed market is a debuff, mind you MAHA5 was successfull cause they pander to normie/closeted weeb IOP, thou they also lean quite abit to JOP, (possibly due to
the japanese branch) and from what i've seen HoloID are leaned heavily torwards EOP with their mixed market chuuba (iofi) end up being the leas popular of the branch wiew-wise, cause if we talk about subs, she obviously mogs all of nijiID, and all but one MAHA5 (I don't get why Andi end up being 3rd most popular chuubas in ID though) but then again. i watch more MAHA5 than holoID. but also watch more NijiID than both of them combine
TLDR: Pander to the mixed market is a debuff

>>13314409
Holo subs number dont mean much at this point since the mentality of "need to watch all" which no one really does and they pile up deadsubs
anya 400k subs and has less lifetime views than elira already
same goes for hana which only has this much subs due to clippers buff
and now has only deadsubs

>but in my opinion, pander on mixed market is a debuff, mind you MAHA5 was successfull cause they pander to normie/closeted weeb IOP, th0ou they also lean quite abit to JOP, (possibly due to
>the japanese branch) and from what i've seen HoloID are leaned heavily torwards EOP with their mixed market chuuba (iofi) end up being the leas popular of the branch wiew-wise, cause if we talk about subs, she obviously mogs all of nijiID, and all but one MAHA5 (I don't get why Andi end up being 3rd most popular chuubas in ID though) but then again. i watch more MAHA5 than holoID. but also watch more NijiID than both of them combine
>TLDR: Pander to the mixed market is a debuff

>>13317314
>wojak

Probably because literally who is nijisanji. Hololive is full of talents with staying power that attend anniversaries and conventions, where it seems like Niji idols are graduating and being replaced every time I open the fridge.

>>13316512
Hana is self-sabotaging herself with self-imposed debuffs though. She absolutely hates the fact that her numbers are so far apart from her peers.

>>13314409
You have your own preference and that's fine as long as you aren't making shitty bait threads like this one. Not everything has to be a comparison or a competition.

>>13317741
we're 4chan anon, this is what you should expect.
>Reddit/Facebook tourist.

>>13317812
The only other times I see this popularity wank is in /vg/ mobage generals which is Reddit/Twitter/Facebook refugees. Most other boards just discuss their things or attempt to stay on topic without dickwaving charts and circlejerking over popularity.
Are you proud to be as annoying as /gbfg/fags?

>>13314569
>The place where Nijisanji is more popular as a region?
In what metric?

it's the power of unity

Nijisanji leaves their foreign branches to sink or swim on their own and are just seen as weird sideshows

you'd never see something like the PekoMoon arc happening in Niji or things like HoloDeath/HoloTori including IDs.

>>13314409
I think Anycolor is just incompetent. They managed to get big but that's mostly due to having the first mover advantage. In face of true competition tho, they just wilted. Don't say Hololive, even groups like VSPO have slowly but surely caught up with their female talents at least.

>>13317886
In the metric that JP is their most successful branch and the only place where they have many members doing over 3k regularly.

>>13317871
no, but thinking too rational on this site could make you insane. just play along and just pretend to be a retard.

>>13317971
That's very much bullshit considering those other agencies still are very distant of nijisanji.
>>13317928
Your post really shows how you never watched nijisanji.

>>13315085
Hana was the biggest contributor to that. They have stagnated as of late though.

>>13316372
Niji ID don't pander to EOP. Between 19 vtubers, most of them mainly or only speak ID. Only really Hana and Mika speaks mainly english.

>>13317812
Sounds like a shitty way to enjoy this hobby when you can just watch streams instead. You guys who make everything a measurement contest should be exiled to your own thread.

>>13315085
No, they aren't. kek Hana subs for the most part remained on her instead of going to the rest of the branch.

>>13317928
Excuse me, do you watch streams? Oliver from Nijisanji is an honorary EN. KR, ID, and EN have all interacted, all branches get along well.
>>13317971
This, this is a poisoned argument. I won't downplay VSPO though Nijisanji's female talents are successful.
>>13318026
Yeah, though the same probably applies to Hololive ID they can get away with yet because of the Holo buff.

>>13318050
I do watch streams, just nobody that i subs are streaming rn. and i don't want to waste my time searching for 2views.

>>13315970
NijiID is a distant third from Holo and Maha5. HoloID's main audience has always been seanigs and JOPs. It only further homogenized with the release of new EN groups/gens.

>>13316512
NijiID management has organized forced collabs with the JP and EN branches. The livers are definitely being shilled not only to indogs alone.

>>13318182
>NijiID is a distant third from Holo and Maha5.
yep. and the same thing happens for the EN Branch.

>>13317871
/v/ and metacritic dick waving? Sometimes units sold threads come up, but nowhere are prevalent as CCV, VOD views, and subs here.

>>13317928
I somewhat disagree with your reasoning as this isn't really true like this anon >>13318131 said, although I doubt any of the top talents would be able to foster the level of unity that the Hololive JP branch was able to do with their international branches. But I do agree with your original premise. The problem isn't the livers though, its the actual NijisanjiJP fans. The Jops are the ones who look at the international branches as sideshows instead of being a part of the main show. I blame it on the lack of explosive growth from the international branches. I bet you if one of them exploded to at least the level of Mori or even Ina, we'd actually have some of the main JP livers and JP fans more interested in cultivating long term relationships with the foreign branches instead of just treating them like a side-branch.

>>13316553
I don't think Anycolor doesn't take care of its livers. It's more of it being a hands off approach than anything. The priority is more of growing the brand than helping their own livers' careers.

>>13316803
I feel this is so wrong on so many levels. Sponsorships that they do get are insignificant and very sparse. Shouldn't they focus more on managing their talents instead of larping as maids?

>>13314409
Both ID branches are shit because they're indogs

>>13318410
Yep, good for "Freedom" but bad in terms of pushing your talent above your brand, aka the current WWE syndrome. The fact that Kuzuha and Mito's concerts were hosted in the Nijisanji main channel instead of their own channel means they want the audience to associate events with the brand instead of the actual livers.

Not a tribalist, but I do think this can be an interesting topic, especially since Nijisanji started out much bigger than Hololive.
My theory is that Nijisanji has so many members that Nijisfans don't bother subscribing to more than an handful of them, no matter how many collabs they make. It also lessen the power of collabs, as fans will be less interested of seeing their oshi collab with some member they don't know compared to someone they are familiar with.
In contrast, in Hololive the smallest numbers of members makes it much easier to get familiar with all of them, wich means that many fans get used to at least check out the channel of the collab partner of their oshi, which can lead to a subscription and a new fan ( like what happened with Moona with all her collabs with Pekora, and by extension all the HoloID branch ).

>>13318406
>unity
This unity is mostly forced and does not look very convincing. Connections should be established naturally, and not by a sharp interest in absolutely all colleagues.
Some may need to learn English or Japanese to at least try to communicate.

>>13317278
People like to watch Holos and their adjacents because they give off being part of the family vibe. Nijis achieve similar effect but that's because of the corpo mandated collabs and tourney. It's really the difference of preferring organic interactions or not.

>>13318556
Huh, but isn't it totally the other way around? Hololive is the one with the strong brand image, whereas in nijisanji there are fans of individuals moreso than people who just love all of nijisanji

>>13318679
>In contrast, in Hololive the smallest numbers of members makes it much easier to get familiar with all of them, wich means that many fans get used to at least check out the channel of the collab partner of their oshi, which can lead to a subscription and a new fan ( like what happened with Moona with all her collabs with Pekora, and by extension all the HoloID branch ).
Yeah, that's why Re:act, 774, vspo and other agencies are larger than Niji and holo. It's just because hololive exploded in popularity outside of JP, that's it.

>>13318410
yeah, kinda skeezy lookin when they had the free sections for Mito and Kuzuha's 3d events on the Niji main channel instead of the liver's channels

>>13318556
>Kuzuha and Mito's concerts
How will the removed video help promote their channels? Stream on the main channel will attract more tourists than stream the free part on own channel.

>>13318812
Yeah I don't understand this kind of argument when Hololive brand is much larger than Nijisanji.

>>13318890
>>13318556
Is it the same guy who always brings this up? What the fuck is his argument? And do we give him a name

>>13318812
Hololive has better branding and working environment largely due to its smaller roster size and having competent staffs overall.
Nijisanji is no slouch though but they seem to look like a conglomeration of different indie groups so sometimes it feels like they're a bit cliquey especially when it comes to collabs.

>>13318832
I was talking specifically about Hololive vs Nijisanji

>>13318698
>>13318699
>organic interactions
>>13242746
Nice try

>>13318698
>similar effect
They don't do it. Most unities like ROFMAO are built on the basis of a long lasting friendship of the livers.

>>13318990
Saying that Hololive has competent staff is something I will never understand. At best they're passable, permissions being a meme will never be lived down. At worst if you think about the rate that talents need to take breaks they might be incompetently overbearing.

>>13318990
What do you mean by "feel cliquey" are you tryin' to apply pro wrasslin terms here? There are no HBK's Nash's or HHH's as far as I can see.

>>13318812
Yes, that anon's reaching to try and make Nijisanji look bad. Hololive's always been the one where everyone is united under one brand while Nijisanji is where the members get to the top based on their own merits alone.
>>13318990
>Hololive staff
>competent
HoloJP and HoloEN sincerely have the most retarded managers of any major vtuber group, Hololive is successful despite them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rH-Mls-Jlo
Nijisanji ID has extremely underrated dynamics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKkzRCp6gs8
And it does transfer to other branches.

>>13314409
Can nijiID get collab with kuzuha? Like 1 on 1 collab, That's the only equivalent of pekomoona

The ID community is different from EN, for now.

>>13318679
>>13318698
I agree. Hololive and Nijisanji present themselves quite differently. One is akin to an ongoing SOL anime, while the other replicates western streaming culture which took off way before the meta got introduced to JP. The roster size also helps since it's big enough to have a diverse number of talents but small enough that you have minimal overlap and you don't overwhelm the viewers. Just look at >pic related (ignore the tranny at the top). You may only follow 1 or 2 Holos but because of how much they interact with each other, you're bound to at least become familiar with most of the people on there. If you're a fan of Niji, if you post a pic of their full roster, I'd be surprised if anyone can name more than 100 of them on memory alone.

>>13318699
How is it forced (except for Umisea which we all know was mandated by management)? PekoMoona was one of the most engaging arcs of Hololive and Moona barely knows how to speak English, let alone Japanese. Gura (because of supplanting AI) is basically treated as an equal if not outright revered by most of the HoloJP talents and fans. In fact, HoloEn exploding in its first few months paved the way for interbranch unity because their popularity made them equal to the eyes of the main branch so now you couldn't just treat them like an afterthought. Unity is based on two people viewing each other as at least equals. If one views the other as beneath them then that's not really unity, that's just tokenism.

this is probably the most successful NijiID bait so far

>>13319342
>Minimal overlap
There is huge overlap with JP due to how many people they have. When you go over nine people then overlap is just going to happen.

>>13319277
Let me rephrase that for you bud. Can an ID meet and with Kazuha on Apex like Moona met then spoke with Pekora on Minecraft? The answer is no, Apex doesn't give an environment for such a thing to occur. There's no organic way for such a thing to happen unless Kazuha starts streaming the block game.

>>13319381
And some Hololive fans will try to follow all of them, no matter how insane it is, which at the very least have an effect on the Youtube algorithm.

>>13319058
>Not posting the part where Mio says she has a hairy bush and plans to shave it
Anon, that screenshot was already debunked... at least post the most entertaining part of it if you're gonna use it as bait.

>>13319342
>you post a pic of their full roster, I'd be surprised if anyone can name more than 100 of them on memory alone
kek

>>13319277

>>13319342
You don't know much about nijisanji then if you agree with those two people. Most units not genmates are formed from friendship in Nijisanji, not forced stuff like that other anon was talking about. Aside from that, the overseas branches since they are smaller, they are more connected.
And I can name more than 100 members of nijisanji (even if I don't know much about them) and I know people who can name it as well but can't name 20 of hololive. But I wouldn't need to name those or even know alll because each vtuber has their own niche in different sizes of audience anyway.

Honestly? I like both, but Nijisanji ID has two hurdles for a non-speaker;
>Streams in Indonesian
>Sheer number of talents that are difficult to keep track of
Before the collabs with HoloID, the only NijiID I watch and know of was Layla. And I knew her because I was looking for gsg vtubers. She doesn't do them anymore, but her history streams are great nonetheless. Now I watch a bit of Siska, but she mostly streams in ID so it's difficult for me since I'm still learning the language.

huh, this thread is kinda civil rn
>>13314569
>>13316512
just for heads up zea also mostly speak in english, miyu will talk in english a lot if there's an english chat, Taka also speak in english a lot, rai, layla, and reza is the same as miyu. the only members i know who rarely speak english is riksa, azura, cia, nara, etna, derem, nagisa, and xia.

>>13319518
Then you succesfully surprised me anon. But aside from your group, I seriously doubt that most Nijifans can name over 100 of their livers. It's not even about unity or anything similar that causes it. Once you have a roster of over 70 you're pretty much stretching the limits that a casual to semi-engaged fan is willing to be familiar with most of the talent. Shit, I can name everyone from Hololive but aside from Pizza Dad, Roberu and Bossu, I don't even know the rest of Holostars.

>>13319553
Just watch hana and mika. or bon if you don't mind males. and you can also see >>13319622 for examples

>>13319725
>Just watch hana and mika
Why? I watch vtubers for very specific reason, reasons that aren't just "they're entertaining" or "they speak english".

>>13314569
that's not true at least for nara's case. Im actually membered to nara and she speaks English a lot. she does primarily speak indonesian but her english skills are good. Hyona also speaks mostly in english for her streams.
>>13316792
nta but doesnt change the fact that hana has a shitty menhera personality and an inflated ego.

>>13319789
that's true, I forgot Hyona. Zea also speaks a bit more. But I'm subbed to over 10 of them and I think Hana and Mika are the ones that barely speak indonesian. The others either speak 100% ID or still a sizeable amount. I feel there's a big difference between them and Holo ID who is mostly on Hana/Mika level.

>>13319780
well... i just answering your question about who to watch if you aren't a indogs speaker.

>>13319518
>And I can name more than 100 members of nijisanji (even if I don't know much about them) and I know people who can name it as well but can't name 20 of hololive.
Ok, but remembering more people is objectively harder than remembering fewer people, it's basic logic.
The people who can name 100 Nijisanji members but don't know 20 Hololive members are obviously Nijisanji fans, it doesnt' mean anything.

>>13319898
I mean, I already mentioned I watch Layla because of her content and just noting the most obvious hurdles for a non-speaker to get into NijiID.

>>13314409
Anon Holo ID streams mostly in eigo for quite a while now, their numbers would have been better if it was just promoted as (mostly) EN.
Although niji ID is not really that different and they even have a native speaker/westerner (not indog wannabe) in Hana and I really wonder why she didn't grow more since she kind of had similar status to Pikamee as one of the few EN speaking chuubas at the time but with large agency backing, did she nerfed herself so heavily by denying the dad collabs? She should've been above 300K already.

>>13314409
I feel like I lost brain cells reading this

>>13319950
She deliberately played shit games and stopped streaming regularly to stunt growth because brain goblins

>>13319882
>I feel there's a big difference between them and Holo ID who is mostly on Hana/Mika level.
and funnily enough nobody's complain about those two being EOP friendly. yet, HoloID Fags seething because they don't speak ID's enough.

>>13320098
NTA, but can you fix your English? Apostrophes don't work that way and I'm under the impression you're an Indonesian NijiID fan, if not a NijiID talent yourself. And the only ones seething about HoloID talents not speaking enough bahasa indonesia are Indonesians, which are absolutely irrelevant as they neither have the buying power nor they even actually watch their own kind. They'd rather masturbate to HoloJP.

>>13320098
>HoloID Fags seething because they don't speak ID's enough.
those are mostly underages, there are lots of them during early days of NijiID, but then holoID debuted and all those complainers moved there

>>13319622
azura has been doing more english lately but her, siska, nara, etna and derem always have done english if their an english majority in chat.
riksa, cia, nagisa and xia are the only ones who i know mostly focus on ID for most of their streams since riksas english is often isnt always understandable to eops, cia does 1 english stream a week, nagisa niche isnt to everyones taste, and xia doesnt seem confident in her english.
honestly the idea that most of the livers dont speak english is weird because they all can and do it pretty often, yeah the whole stream may not be english but as long as people interact in english all the niji id livers will speak it.
>>13319882
mika speaks indo way more then even hana, hana will speak indo like 5% of the time (not including collabs), mika just focuses on english but swaps to indo pretty often and depends on the context.
>>13320366
i mean to be fair anon, the "wanting to speaking the native language" people are just as prevalent in the EN community considering how many anons complain about petra not speaking english.
also not like the locals can have any buying power when holoID has no local donation platform for them to donate too. indos would donate more often if they could.

>>13314475
watch out for shibuya hal.
his group is gonna be a big player in the future.

>>13320615
Isn't streamlabs a donation option? And English is the lingua franca. You can communicate with the rest of the world with it, and in turn, your audience is literally the rest of the world. Compare it to Indonesian, large their population may be, is entirely confined within Indonesia.

>>13319931
I mean, the same can be said about the people who remember 50 hololive members but can't do it for nijisanji. When you focus on one it's harder to do for another. I was able to get into both agencies but not all can do it.

>>13314409
I dont watch any ID, still I know more nijisanji ones than hololives

>>13320366
>I'm under the impression you're an Indonesian NijiID fan,
Yes.
>if not a NijiID talent yourself.
i wish.
>And the only ones seething about HoloID talents not speaking enough bahasa indonesia are Indonesians,
exactly. and none of my points says otherwise.
>NTA, but can you fix your English? Apostrophes don't work that way.
well sorry then.

>>13314475
>VTubers are extremely popular globally, with many top creators speaking Japanese or Korean
... which 'tubers actually speak Korean a majority of the time, rather than either English or pandering hard to a Japanese audience?

>>13319950
The best thing about Hana's is when she streams with her commie boyfriend cause the guy is just interesting and the novelty that comes with it. But then competition happened. When the novelty wore off and with lots of EN chuubas to choose from, she just faded into obscurity.

>>13320072
that's sad because she used to have a great selection with DUSK or Doom, she did a lot of single player FPS at one point. Anyway sabotaging growth seem to be a bit of a pattern with chuubas I have a theory that it might be a women thing where they are actually content with male members taking the lead so they don't have to deal with as much pressure. That's why this idol thing works better in terms of numbers for hololive but niji girls might be actually more happy just like trad wife is happier than workaholic girlboss it's all biology.

>>13318519
Managing like what? Blocking them from outside collab? Or say no to their fun project?
Sponsorship is good way to earn money, they don't have to rely on their paypig but at the same time it's opportunity to hone their skills like hosting event for example

>>13320832
you would think but credit card are hard to get from what ive been told and those are necessary for donations via streamlabs or paypal

>>13316634
Which vtuber is this?

>>13322024
Nene from Kawaii

>>13321927
Debit cards come with most banks, and paypal accepts debit.

>>13318990
>Hololive
>Competent Staff
From which timelines did you come from?

>>13322082
Thanks. Thought it was HoloNene’s artist that started vtubing.

>>13322117
Except you have to activate your debit to accept online transactions first, and that annoying to some people in ID. Newer card also use different system (like local visa) called GPN

>>13322466
You need to do that to purchase anything from the rest of the world, merch or just other goods.

>>13322282
Name a vtuber company with competent staff

>>13322117
being that im not from indonesia im not sure completely why its the case but remember that niji id couldnt have membership or supachats because of indo laws or youtube wouldnt allow it, until someone realized that technically anycolor isnt indo based and the livers would legally fall into japans territory since anycolor is based in japan, thats why the location thing on the about me page on their channels is set to japan when at one point it was set to Indonesia.

>>13322501
VOMS :)

>>13322501
Anycolor

>>13322501
Tsunderia post-slugma takeover

>>13322501
Hololive

>>13322501
Holostars

>>13319277
Ange and Nagi from KR. It's not ID but it's still an example of a member of a foreign branch having a one on one collab after bumping into one another in ARK.

>>13319518
>can name more than 100 members niji and cant name 20 of holo
KEK no you don't, im not gonna buy that

>>13321471
commie boyfriend? Anyway have to say I was filtered pretty heavily by that new model, not sure why but it's completely not my thing.

>>13324506
The negative side there is that it's composed of one person

>>13318812
Hololive has better image but the brand isn't put above the holos themselves
Anycolor on the other hand is doing the American corporation thing where they try to make everyone into fans of nijisanji itself
Hololive is a liked brand because of the content it produces while nijisanji is liked brand because they market the brand itself in other words, it also leads to chuuba equivalent of console wars faggatory from people that swallow the corpo fan pill

>>13328527
Just a rrat that papamacchia was actually “daddy” instead of her father.

>>13314409
they can do both you know

>>13328900
It's sad that people actually believe this, so blinded by consolewar faggotry that even liking non-Holo vtubers=corpo bootlickers or whatever new catchphrase they just learned.

>>13331395
The irony is that nijifans almost always say you don't need to like or watch everyone, yet somehow they're the ones in love with the brand.

>>13326784
I didn't say it was me but a few people I know. I can list all overseas members and at least 70 JP members by name. I remember all of their members except for VirtuaReal which I only know a feel. I can do the same for hololive.

>>13331395
>>13331504
You have to be kidding with me when it's hololive fans saying to subscribe to everyone even if you only watch most only on special events. People follow anyone that has the brand of hololive and you want to come with it? Nijisanji is much more individualistic, there's literally no obligation to collab between branches if you don't want to or even between your own branch.

>>13319178
>HoloJP and HoloEN sincerely have the most retarded managers of any major vtuber group
Anon if you think they are somehow exceptionally or even uniquely bad you've spent too much time in the holo bubble and need to branch out more. Even limiting it to Nijis alone you have the NijiKR management which is mondo retarded

>>13331504
Because it's literally impossible to follow all of them. For what it's worth it's also impossible to follow all 50+ Holos but people pretend they do. Then act offended when you imply they can't.

>>13331660
These threads aren't the place to look if you want to find logic. People just say whatever they want and present it as fact.

>>13317514
Hana is niji treerrat

>>13314409
Why are Hololive watchers obsessed with Nijisanji? Asking for the 1000th time now.

>>13331972
Too EOP to obsess over VSPO and 774inc, too numberfag to obsess over non-VShojo Western companies

>>13314475
>Still getting less than Amouranth.
Pathetic.

Nijisanji KR and Nijisanji KP both do better then their Hololive counterparts

>>13332677
On one hand I'm happy nobody uses girls from Noripro, 774 and VSPO to bait, on the other hand it sucks that only one of those groups can maintain a thread on this board.

>>13333228
VSPO thread is kept afloat by nonVSPO posting though. Maybe there should be a Japanese corpo thread so Noripro and 774 can float on their own since they don't fit in the JP independents thread

>>13328900
>Hololive has better image but the brand isn't put above the holos themselves
Yet they are expected to get 400k~500k within a couple or so months. Doesn't help that even before debuting a new wave there is just a mass of people subscribing to Holo's without even knowing what that person is like. Seems like brand fanaticism and you're scraping the bottom of the barrel to shit post with.

OP making the fallacy that views = quality.
Most people just watch whatever they're fed, it's really about advertisement and promotion.

>>13331660
>there's literally no obligation to collab between branches if you don't want to or even between your own branch.
Tell that to Pomu and Selen then. Pomu is literally being forced to participate in that MK tournament organized by the staffs and she's been openly bitching about it. The fans have been rallying against her cause she's being unprofessional and shit. I'd say fuck Niji management and the fans.

>>13333928
If she can't play in 1 tourney and complains about it then yeah she's being unprofessional. There's a JP niji who wageslaves so much he can barely stream and he still participates in tournaments even if his PC broke. She needs to suck it up or vent privately.

>>13332677
>>13333228
Stop projecting. I can name all their members by heart. I can only speak for myself and I think it's probably because other groups' fans know their place in the hierarchy. Niji friends especially the EN fans on this site are always shitposting and act like the company they themselves submitted to is still the top dog. I'm just doing my part in educating them for the betterment of the board.

Why isn't Maha5 used to bait? Does anyone on this board even watch them?

>>13334407
Having a thread on this board for some prominent JP groups has nothing to do with whatever schizo rant you're going on about.

>>13334536
If Hololive collapses, I'd rather watch Maha5 than Nijis for sure.

>>13334536
There used to be a SEA vtuber thread, not sure if it's still around though. Like most instances no, hardly anyone watches Maha5 by my guess.

>>13331972
They're the second biggest vtuber company,which lends itself well to tribalfagging.

>>13333092
Yes but actually no
October 2021

Isegye idol
>Gosegu 2,635
>Jururu 2,389
>Ine 2,114
>Viichan 2,010
>Jingburger 1,847
>Lilpa 1,805

>ronarona 4,314
>gangG 1,792
>sea story 1,310
>flowergam 1,141
>gkfl33 271

NijisanjiKR
>Bora Nun 2,563
>Roha Lee 715
>Ban Hada 393
>Ray Akira 386
>Nagi So 340
>Nari Yang 325
>Seffyna 249
>Siu Lee 174
>Ha Yun 166
>Song Mia 161
>Suha Min 155
>Jiyu Oh 145
>Na Sera 141
>Ara Chae 134
>Ko Yami 119
>Lee On 118
>Hari Ryu 117
>Chiho Han 104
>Gaon 74
>Kiru Shin 57

its over...

>>13334896
the sea vtubers thread pops up every few weeks, it seems to be kind of a seasonal thing

>>13334407
>other groups' fans know their place in the hierarchy
Nice job stealthily insulting fans of less popular vtubers than yours, retard. Are you falseflagging to make Holofans look bad? This is an anonymous board, even some Western 2views get regular threads here.

>>13337414
And nobody starts claiming that, say, Tsunderia is more popular in japan and they sell more merch and that means Tsunderia is more popular than hololive KNEEL KNEEL KNEEL

>>13337414
nah it's literally that the holofags here are still seething about being bullied back on /jp/ so a bunch of them decided to be bigger faggots than anyone was back then

>>13335554
Isegye idol is a branch created around a person(우왁굳의 게임방송) who has a huge fanbase and provides it to their vtubers.

Ronarona, Gang, sea story - in the past was a regular streamers. Their statistics are generally not very good, the number of viewers is declining for many.
>flowergam, gkfl33
i don't know who it is

Korean viewers are not predisposed to vtubers, Nijikr is not all bad, given that they had to start from scratch.

>>13319342
I could name over 100 of them because of the frequent tournaments they keep organizing and how things are featured in the main channel, but I only follow like 20~25 of them frequently.
And I don't really having interest in keeping up with everyone because there's no point, their content differ quite a bit and I'm not interested in everything.

>>13319342
Why can't you just say "I don't watch Nijisanji" instead of making such empty paragraphs?

>>13319458
The only thing get recommended to an absolute zero knowledge of vtuber is only clip video anon, its very rare for a stream to get into recommended (unless you subscribe to the vtuber, stream video Will rarely come to your recommended)

And because niji still don't have that many dedicated translator or clipper plus they still a no name for normie, its hard to even get niji fan clip video to YouTube, the last time niji clipper manage to get to recommend, their channel got strike, and now loss all the algorithm power (ajasapa)

>>13334724
>I'd rather watch Maha5 than Nijis for sure.
This, this is one of the reason why niji can't grow at all, people for some reason avoid any vtuber that has Nijisanji in their name, they don't even doing anything wrong to be avoid this much

>>13333928
There's a difference in a branch wide event and when those aren't happening, holobrony.
Idk what you meant by selen tho.

>>13334536
Maybe some kson fans watch Maha5JP, I doubt anyone here watched their ID branch, no one here or at dicksword or even fb watched Maha5 indogs

>>13342148
Nijisanji offers nothing other companies don't. They're not a rival to Hololive, they're just the biggest small corpo.

>>13345332
>biggest small corpo.
Holobronies using retardation to their advantage.

Looks like Nijisanji has both.

>>13345417
Nah. I like my small corpos, and Nijisanji doesn't do it for me.

>>13345475
Holobronies still trying to use the weaponzied retardation to their advantage. Who is this rando 2view they’re showing “who” indeed.

>>13345504
>Calls others 2views when their livers are barely ahead
Whore

>>13345521
It’s okay Anon no one will fault you and your rando 2view. Who knows maybe one day they’ll actually match up to Prism.

>>13345577
Prism will catch up to NijiEN.

>>13345609
Anon please don’t embarrass yourself.

>>13342148
>>13342148
>they don't even doing anything wrong to be avoid this much
Are you stupid? Niji spams vtubers like shit so bad the antitrust should've stopped them for being unhealthy competitor, they have zero respect to the market because they ironically thinks they invented vtubers when they don't

>>13345746
I'm not going to be the one who's gonna be laughed off the board when that happens.

One of the major differences I've seen is that niji streamers are just regular people all from fairly regular backgrounds. Most of them have not had much difficulty in life, which leads them to just consider niji a part time job. While many holos have led incredible lives such being idols in the past, professional illustrators, successful youtubers etc. This also means they've faced quite a bit of adversity to the point of arguably being "saved" by hololive which in turn causes fans to connect to not only the streamer but also hololive as a whole.

>>13346593
With how many nijis there are there's bound to be stories like that on their side as well.

>>13346593
Furen wanted to die in her old office job but found happiness in Nijisanji
Melissa grew up with severe anxiety but managed to leave her hard jobs behind and pursue her dream in Nijisanji while feeling more comfortable being near people irl instead of just her sister
Shiba was sick and lost her job at the last minute but selling VPs made her able to recover in the hospital
Ririmu talked about losing hope in life but gaining a reason to go on (streams, and her moms food)
Maimoto had a pretty crazy life and bad luck with women abusing him but Subaru helped him stay motivated to stream, of all people
Yumeoi always wanted to pursue music but before Nijisanji he was forced to take on slightly illegal jobs just for money (working for catfishing app), now in Nijisanji he's released albums and been in concerts
Akina talked about being so depressed he stopped eating and could barely do uni classes, but found Nijisanji and watched their videos, and applied, and has a better outlook on life now while pursuing music
There's probably more but I don't watch all of them.

>>13345609
Never ever

>>13345754
>they have zero respect to the market because they ironically thinks they invented vtubers when they don't
nice falseflag nigger

>>13345332
you just hate niji for the sake of hating niji, its show, which is pathetic when you know niji has various other content witch various of liver

>>13314409
>non-eop panderers
>eop panderers
Gee I wonder

>>13314409
Nijisanji bussiness model is very Chinese, reminds me of my economics class
>there's chinese companies dedicated to investing in thousands of startups, they literally give money to random people that barely have a bussiness plan to sell a product, but in return, if they somehow find success, they will own the majority of the company, the returns outweight the losses so they can afford it

>>13349482
I'm sure that Kuzuha is rolling in glee owning the company when he can't even own a new wifi plan.

>>13349507
he's xqc with a leash
>retarded
>content for zoomers
>never goes outside his confort zone
>one trick pony
2434 will change his diapers on stream if he wants them to

>>13349002
You don't get his point, this whole nijihate is because of their reckless concept like what >>13349482 said, it's very harmful

>>13349588
Let me know what game he just won a tournament in, was it his 1 trick Apex?

>>13349640
FPS, and only the ones he plays, he totally denies BF for example

>>13314409
are the niji ID's basically EN too or not?

>>13314409
>>13349482
also, kinda off topic but to expand on this, the books also say
>why do we still have money beggars on the streets? because we keep giving them money, you are not going to save them, you will not end poverty like that, they won't get a proper job, you will forget about them and their problems the second you turn around the corner
which applies to 2views

>>13349694
Only really Hana. Some of them do EN only streams or reply to english chat in english, some are pretty much exclusively ID. A few like Hyona, Mika, and Bon are split down the middle. Thye aren't really like HoloID where it's basically EN-lite.

>>13349777
>b-but they speak english
remember Niji India? you know, the branch they rebranded to English because they were getting more english viewers? the same one they killed in order to try and replicate holoEN success?

>>13349661
He played Splatoon for the first time this fall.

Holo gold

>>13350024
>validating my point

>>13349604
no lmfao, if you hate nijis because anycolor did something bad and their vtubers hate them too then fine, that's acceptable hate, but when you hate all nijisanji vtubers and avoid them even though they don't do anything then you are a pathetic human, tie your hate to vtubers who work hard just because you hate their company

>>13350107
the relevant nijis are mostly vshoujo tier whores, their collab choices go towards the same type of content

>>13349965
They were marketed like shit. Holomyth had enormous marketing from its fans at the height of international interest in the brand and ID2 managed to piggyback that very well by continuing to cater to EOPs. It was lightning in a bottle and it's almost definitely never going to be replicated by any company.
Also Hana hit nearly 300k which puts her ahead of most people in the company regardless of branch simply by pandering to EOPs before any other major corpo tuber thought to or had the means to. Primary english speaking is 100% a huge buff

>>13350107
You're not making sense, why do the vtubers have to carry the hate for the company? I hate some of their practices and staff but still love the chuubas.

>>13350177
>the relevant nijis are mostly vshoujo tier whores
So, pretty much like the most relevant Holos (Rushia, Noel, Flare, Marine)?

>>13350177
>their collab choices go towards the same type of content
but you don't go "ah this youtuber make same content as youtuber i like, their personality and reaction must be the same, i'm not gonna watch them"
like why? why is it bad when niji does it? if they really the same then what the problem? you getting double the content and double the fun you know

Just compare a Niji girl to a Holo girl and you see how irrelevant Niji girls are in comparison.
>660k subscribers vs 1.7 MILLION subscribers
>Only 6 videos with over 1 million views vs 30+ videos
>Embarrassing measly 18k viewers on latest outfit reveal vs 136k viewers
>All despite having an entire year headstart on her debut to build an audience

>>13350107
>you tie your hate to the vtubers who work hard for themself just because you hate their company
my english is shit
>>13350337

>>13350635
>Numbers = quality
You fags never learn

>>13350635
>Sasaki has a kino gameshow
>it's funny when she teases people
>has a sweet side
VS
>Marine has kino collab ideas
>it's hot when she teases people
>has a sweet side
Damn my eyes are open now...

>>13350635
>IM HORNIII vs actual content
Really shows what kind of people watch Hololive and Marine in particular

>>13350635
Fucking Sasaki choked on the Splat tourney by not using the roller on TW. I will never forgive that bitch for making Furen cry. Oh also Marine is a whore who wakes up every day wishing to be Mito.

>>13350107
>tie your hate to vtubers who work hard just because you hate their company
Ever went to the real world anon? Because something like this is normal there, Just look at the world cup, supporting sandniggers divegrass there means allowing them to keep abusing their workers, same here, if anyone supports niji vtubers that means they're hypocrites who indirectly supporting their shitty ass corpo. Why would they do that anon?

>>13349002
Fix your English, indog. I recognize that Indonesian to English mental translation exactly because your native sentences are formatted that way. Aside from the obvious spelling and grammatical mistakes, of course.
>yang kapan dan yang word connectors

And no, I do not hate Nijisanji as a company. Nor their talents. But they are literally nothing special in a sea of other vtubers, corpo or indies alike, and nothing they ever do distinguishes them from the rest. So since they're exactly alike, why shouldn't I watch other vtubers that actually cater to me instead?
As for you, Mr. Anonymous, and totally not a Nijisanji liver. You've made your bed, you have marketed yourself for indogs and thus locked your own growth there. Your posters in your English branch abandoned you by creating a Nijisanji EN thread instead of being more inclusive by including other talents. This is your fate, and I do not care enough for it. Have fun.

>>13350635
Sasaki is truly a worthless whore who should graduate.

>>13351199
And why is Anycolor such a shitty company? the paragraph i made is just an example if anycolor is a bad company that's why i say "if"

so all this evade is just for the sake of hating nijisanji for no apparent reason other than them being nijisanji

>>13351560
>and nothing they ever do distinguishes them from the rest
So, what is it Holo members do that really distinguishes them from the rest?

>>13350635
It's not fair to compare Niji girls, everyone knows they fucking suck. People watch Niji for the men.

>>13351199
>>13351684
I'll translate my pic into niji happenings, see how both of my pics are expressing the same thing anon? The only thing Niji deserve is boycotts,divests and sanctions

>>13351896
You know their contract don't force them to stream, right? Otherwise many heads would've rolled long ago. Go spread your retarded rrat elsewhere.

>>13351896
She did not work while sick. She had a tv show to go to and didn't even go to that. She literally detailed all the things she did while infected which included sleeping in the bathroom from how sick she was, and having her life flash before her eyes as her oxygen went to the threshhold of an emergency situation, and Japanese EMTs telling her to just wait due to hospitals overflowing.
Kill yourself for using her for your tribalfag bait, you probably would celebrate if she died, I know how you faggots work, you treated Yuya being sick the same way too.

>>13351773
Dunno, you tell me. I will only speak for my oshi and Americanized j-rap is pretty hyperspecific.
But I'll give you a rundown of a few small corpos that do things differently;
Lumi (Cyberlive) - Grand Strategy and other games archetypically played by autistic males
Shiki (Prism) - Horoscope streams and particularly specific tastes in music I enjoy, she's the only one I know that covers Takayan.
Miori (Tsunderia) Mixer, Pianist, and singer. Not unique talents, but she's definitely talented. Covers the style of Japanese internet music I like.
There are others, but I'm not here to shill them.

I do not watch certain vtubers because of their brand power. I watch them because I like them and they speak in a language I understand. If you throw all the vtubers in a pile and I have to pick a top 20, the only Nijisanji talents to make it to my list are Petra and Layla, and the rest of the list would be populated by a bunch of 2views plus my holo kamioshi.

>>13351560
>nothing they ever do distinguished from rest of vtuber.
Ok. Retard.
Nijisanji Interviews and gameshow
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLt3YqkqaL45MOHxeizcuzpIB7ywU-h9pD
Nijisanji survivors.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8yJRzWP8O6E
Nijiradio.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaayKIlBmgbou83UhH5Q3b5IIrFbYwo6K
Nijisanji FGC.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeNz_mpnl9iYrOYEsFw2uN2m0Xq4Yromi

Why you faggot love talking about shit you know nothing about?

>>13334724
No, you wouldn't watch Maha5 and right now you couldn't name any single one of their content. Good job using it for tribalfag bait like that anon asked but please don't do it anymore because baiting with vtubers you're not particularly familiar with doesn't really work.

>>13352214
He apparently likes Mori. That should tell you everything you need to know about him

>>13314475
1.12m subs Kuzuha is mogged by Kiara 1.25m. How cute desu~

>>13352350
He is still richer by many miles ahead of her.

>>13351560
Name 1 vtuber company that is producing the concerts that Nijisanji does on a regular basis. Or 1 company that is hosting several 20+ chuuba tournaments. Or releasing cover albums. Or doing free 3D rock concerts. Or having niche clubs like voice acting/script reading, 30 year old mens club, fetish club, movie fan club. Is there a company that has all that? What about one of the best Beatmania players in the world? Or a titty maid who builds gunpla? Or a boomer fox whos obsessed with Gundam? Or a witch who plays longform RPGs without screaming over everything and actually appreciates the plot and takes time to check out any sideqiests?

>>13352164
...look, being EOP is fine and all but how hard is it exactly to specify you're talking about Niji*EN* and Holo*EN* when you're tribalfagging so we can be a bit clearer about it instead of just vaguely mentioning about Nijisanji and/or Hololive in general despite not watching most people there.

>>13352350
>2k CCV
damn that's a lot of dead subs

>>13352164
Hayato Kagami rock is far better than nigger music, niggerlover.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fGvYwVW38mc

>>13352504
The OP is about ID anyway, why not mention their ease of jumping into each others streams, or off collabs, or talk shows, or history chuuba, or artfag chuuba, or musician who streams his song making process, or singers who sing ID songs in karaokes regularly, and that's just in one branch

>>13350635
Sasaki sucks, no one watches her. Compare her to one of the good Niji members instead.

>>13352386
Cope harder egg. Hinotori has 3m views and Heart Challenger is at 1.1m views. Both world class Original Songs. Kiara has more money than your Nishitji manlet.

>>13352755
Why don't you just talk about the songs quality.

>>13352504
>>13342724
If you're being consistent enough to do it every time? Maybe.

>>13352504
The topic in question was initially about NijiID, and it spilled over to the western scene because alternatives to nijiEN and NijiID exist. Every time you post some company-organized event JP, which are cool and all, but are not indicative of the showcase of the livers themselves.
>>13352561
>Anime opening rock with growls
At least do symphonic metal

>>13352755
I don't even watch Kuzuha but why bring original songs View Counts all of sudden? You realize it doesn't mean she is richer by huge margin right?

>>13352755
Are we going to talk about ChroNoiR or are you going to call this cheating or cope?

>>13353027
Leave Kanae out of this, you fags forced Kuzuha into your lame wars already

>>13352539
>>13352801
>>13353027
I hear the sounds of eggs breaking. Take your meds and admit Kiara sings more songs and has more game variety than your one retard playing a game nobody cares about. How many languages does Kuzuha speak fluently? Kiara is a trilingual genius.

>>13352164.
>But I'll give you a rundown of a few small corpos that do things differently;
>Lumi (Cyberlive) - Grand Strategy and other games archetypically played by autistic males
Layla Alstroemeria did stream HOI4. And stream about history and culture of Indonesia. Kenmochi Toya played Civilization. Also Inori Hazuki is better /vst/ chuuba than her.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbZQ4CbgWyF_Az1BszEwpcbqsqYksheQa

>Miori (Tsunderia) Mixer, Pianist, and singer. Not unique talents, but she's definitely talented. Covers the style of Japanese internet music I like.
Utako and Genzuki are one of the music producer in Nijisanji. Asuka Hina is a writer who wrote several Nijiscenario. Honma Himawari also make several Nijiscenario.
Also Gwelu Os Gar did some weird shit and host a talk show and quiz.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MD37LIqbHCw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NzQt8gRgA68
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ak-G11DJhlo

>>13352922
>At least do symphonic metal
Stop moving the goalpost.

>>13353211
>Anime openings better than niggermusic
>Symphonic metal is better than anime openings
>Gg-g-goalposts
Really, bro?

>>13353162
If she is so perfect why is she not in any top rank in any chart available? Dang i don't know if you are a falseflagger but chill.

>>13317278
Just subbing because if there's a large event I didn't know off, it's likely to be displayed on the recommended page instead of hidden. Subs is also an important factor for visibility too.

>>13353279
The fact you call his original music >anime opening show how far your tribalfagging goes.
Also more Kagami Hayato.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3N1tf3kZiDo

>>13353176
>Layla Alstroemeria did stream HOI4. And stream about history and culture of Indonesia.
I know. I watch her. I also watch a 2view male play Victoria 2, and some indie play HOI4: Kaiserreich.
>Kenmochi Toya played Civilization. Also Inori Hazuki is better /vst/ chuuba than her.
Maybe. But I'm here for the EN scene and NijiEN, or ID, doesn't offer that.
>Utako and Genzuki are one of the music producer in Nijisanji. Asuka Hina is a writer who wrote several Nijiscenario. Honma Himawari also make several Nijiscenario.
Cool. Good to know.
But we do need to re-adjust the discussion as this guy said;
>>13352504
I'm focusing on the EN scene because it's a language I understand, and its relative age means there's plenty of room for growth. It's, unfortunately, the limit of my parameters, but frankly, it's a little too late to learn a language to enjoy their current content, as Japanese is notoriously difficult. I have better luck learning Bahasa Indonesia. And for the EN thus far, NijiEN mostly do not offer anything that distinguishes themselves from smaller corpos below them. I do keep an eye on Petra and Nina (If she doesn't fucking filter me with mommy shit) since they do add something new, coincidentally those two seem to get the most flak from here so that's saying something on what NijiEN fans here prioritize in their talents.

For any arguments about the JP scene, I surrender. I'm not going to talk shit on something I don't understand, and the previous Niji/Holo comments I made above were vague, and for that I apogolize.

>>13353344
>Hinotori peaked #5 on Itunes on release
>Sparks still topping charts at 1m views

Take your meds Egg-boy. Kiara has more subs than all of Nishitji for a reason desu~

>>13353552
>You don't like my thing
>Tribalfag!
Really? It's the same damn style as many Japanese rock music, and I do not prefer that. No, I do not like the anime-styled holo originals either. But if you are to talk to me about rock/metal adjacency, I'd rather have something like this;
https://youtu.be/wEERFBI9eCg?list=OLAK5uy_ng667V_eVwtLgGZOL2FogN1s01XZGa6X8

>>13353552
You started the tribalfagging by shitting on Mori, you don't even watch Hayato so fuck off, he's performed rap before. Not like you'd know, tribalfaggot.

>>13318410
Funny how Hololive's route pushed the brand even further than what Niji did for the past 3 years

I haven't read any post in this thread, I just want to say that I want to breed Mika.

>>13353624
>proud of being #5
lol
lmao

>>13353848
>J-Pop trash
Kek

The absolute state of cracked eggs.

>>13353929
Can we have more japanese kpop? And by that, I meant more Ado. God I love Ado.

>>13319075
>long lasting friendship
kek, if they were friends irl, they don't monetize their friendship in vtuber form. They'd just separate work and irl.

>>13353561
>>13352164
Disregarding Mori (which yikes listen to some actually good Vrappers like EMA or Rene), you seem to have decent tastes in corpo chuubas (I'd also recommend Utano who's a pretty talented multi-instrumentalist and also tries to learn cool things like throat singing), but you can't be actually serious by suggesting NijiEN doesn't offer differentiating content.
Enna is straight up the best singer in the EN scene rn with only Ninaninin really coming close to her, she does her own mixing, and a vtuber doing Enka is certainly a novelty.
Besides her Pomu, Millie, and Rosemi have done quite a lot of unique streams between Pomu's Idol call lessons, the Akihabara tour, and the Pomura stream, Millie's Halloween Special or her Animillie gameshow, and Rosemi's gameshow and her summer stories stream. Also she's from NijiKR but Roha Lee is probably the best pianist vtuber and rigged out her own 3D piano with special animations for certain Jojo songs

>>13318698
Is this opposite world? I swear you fucker love talking about shit you know nothing about.

>>13353950
>Can we have more eggs?
>God I love eggs.

You can have more meds Egg desu~ Stream Sparks desu~

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lq9eqHDKJPE&feature=youtu.be

>>13354251
Based Niji Enjoyer. Shit taste in music.

>>13354251
You seem like a decent guy and you brought cool chuubas that I might follow later but please don't include Niji talents next time cause quite frankly they're kinda disgusting with all their humor, schticks, and whatnot.

>>13353983
Idk what that anon is talking about either. It's not like Kaida and Hayato have a long lasting friendship. That would be Fuwa and Kaida. and another duo if you want to go roommate searching But most of that is in Japanese, they have long compilations too
https://youtu.be/bE9KAGkskGA
They didn't monetize that, in fact the first time they even sang together was in ROF-MAO. Not their fault they got picked for that group.
>separate work and irl
You do realize vtubing is work for most of these people?

>>13352561
I really couldn't get over the fact that some people actually watch male anime larpers. Unless you're a female then I forgive you.

>>13354251
>Disregarding Mori (which yikes listen to some actually good Vrappers like EMA or Rene
She has the lyrical style that I actually prefer, and English speaking j-rap is pretty unique. And I don't chose my oshi, it just happened. I'm more into the metal side until well, a year ago. Plus the longer she exists, the higher the chance other aspiring rappers, and singers, in the EN scene to try their luck and stream in their own. Nene Amano is pretty good, and had the balls to sing Fashionable Disease in her unarchived karaoke. Yura's cover of Bully was an interesting take to it. She's streaming right now, if you're interested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svr1OLpolHk

Kongou Kokeretsu and Halbernact did adventure streams, and the latter even ran Dungeon Crawl Classics on-stream with his viewers. Gameshows aren't exactly unique, and I've seen a bunch of 2views does that, plus Mumei's own one-time show in her channel. Silverdale also did Akihabara tour with a go-pro attached to a dude while she provides commentary, and there are a bunch Piano chuubas I follow, Noir and I already follow Roha Lee. etc etc etc etc
See here, the point I'm trying to make here is I do not watch vtubers because they are Hololive or Nijisanji. I watch them because they are relevant to my interests. And exactly because the company has no bearing whatsoever to what I watch, there are literally OTHER vtubers out there to choose from.

And yes, I saw Enna's PL cover Mori's RIP in a remix contest, and I was there when Nina was a literal 2view last year. I watched Pomu, Selen, and Rosemi before they were hired from Nijisanji. Please suggest me JP vtubers instead because I already what's going on on the english speaking side of vtubers.