/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/watcher_ranking/
>https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/
>https://vtuber-post.com/ranking/
>https://vtuberranking.com/ranking
>https://vchama.xyz/
>https://www.vtuber-ct.net/en
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBRUIS696ooFVZ-gMpCFIoA
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrK21zSXmgueGII65cyCHcA

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://twitter.com/holo_analytics
>https://twitter.com/holo_analyticsV
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC94Mhi_4KZNX7bzHaoBnRTw

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber
>https://twitter.com/2434livemoment
>https://twitter.com/2434fanart
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBXnBOvSLzjPUtwZBzs6PlQ
>https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQIkEQvr0pSUSJPLbiivsvA

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

>>13205019
Actual previous thread

>>13205048
?

How does she do it? She hasn't streamed for almost 2 months...

WTF, did the board pick up speed or something?

>>13210702
>worth a lot more
If it were the case, more YTbers would've jumped to Twitch to make a fast buck

Gura just keeps losing to Pekora in VODs. How does the bunny do it?

>>13210702
You delusional fuck, we have the entire Twitch payout database.

Just to pull at random streamer Jellybeans is ranked #5755 and has an average/peak ccv of 282/536. They made a whopping $39,000 from August 2019 to October 2021, or $18,000 a year. Fucking Walmart starts at $11/hour for roughly $22,000 a year.

>>13209741
Where is the twitch schizo? I'd like his comment on this.

Lize-sama I kneel

>>13210797
Hologra is Ayame's main content and she wins more subscribers when she appears.

TICK AND TOCK DUCKFAGS

>>13211112
How much of Ayame's popularity is due to her god tier design? I'm almost mad it was wasted on her it could be put to use so much more effectively

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

Here it goes
>82,489: Pekora (Hololive)
>55,333: Haachama (Hololive)
>35,245: Gura (Hololive)
>26,064: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>24,897: Subaru (Hololive)
>22,985: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>19,542: Miko (Hololive)
>17,832: Mio (Hololive)
>15,256: Suisei (Hololive)
>14,375: Fuwa (Nijisanji)
>14,366: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>13,327: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>12,892: Tamaki (NoriPro)
>12,196: Okayu (Hololive)
>12,064: Noel (Hololive)
>11,361: Kanata (Hololive)
>10,821: Shion (Hololive)
>10,218: Kiara (Hololive)

>>13210950
Being consistent

>>13211140
number bunny, pervert pirate... i kneel

Shion 100% taking over the graveyard shift that once belonged to Watame and Flare.

>>13211140
Kuzuha is not even in the top 3 today...

>>13210950
>>13211146
>Samefagging
Antoher thread, another anti gura schizo bait post

>>13211136
The design is perfect for her, she's just not a person who enjoys streaming in general. She makes enough money to pursuit other interest to either fuck around or actually practice her "singing/dancing".

>>13211136
>effectively
Ayame is the literal vtuber incarnation of efficiency.

>>13211194
btw, the current four more watched streams of the (new) JST day on live-ranking are Pokemon faggotry

>>13211208
She basically just shows up for events and collabs and rides off that.
Her having a nice voice and giggle is also a major factor.

>>13211227
And eight (8) out of the top ten (10)

>>13211203
ogey

Anyone took a look about the streamlabs situation? I've only read a small part of it but the gist of it, it automatically signs you up for the membership at $5 a month if you donated to a streamer. I wonder how it'll affect nijiEN in some ways.

>>13211307
>Proving my point
Ok

Roboco...

so kronii`s break ends today, wonder how her numbers gonna go

>>13211473
It's today? Wtf time flies so fast

>>13211376
They will lose $2.5 from the first donation, it isn't a big deal

>>13211454
imagine if Moona manages to somehow bait her 3D debut to also become a 1mil subs stream. It would make her rabbit boss proud

>>13211473
Depends on what she does, a Karaoke with some chatting would do great, just chatting would be ok i guess, one of her usual debuff games wouldn't do much better than usual.

>>13211454
Does roboco have a roommate channel? She seems content to make connections behind the scenes and play a lot of Apex. Her numbers are probably plenty to live a comfortable middle class existence on.

>>13211573
I want it to be a zatsu/karaoke that bleeds her paypigs dry.

>>13211376
Logitech being scummy huh.
They recently had to remove the OBS label of their program because they were advertising themselves as the original.
Logitech paid 90m to buy streamlabs.

>>13211112
Still below Senzawa

>>13211454
Still better than Anya, Aki, Iofi and AZki

>>13211532
With how how late the 3D debut is going to be, I expect it for Moona to use it to be also a 1M celebration featuring the Pekkers and the Migo.
But what I really want for her 3D debut is a duet with Suisei.

>>13211454
Damn, I was hoping for Towa to hit one million before the end of the year, but it doesn't seem like that's possible anymore.

>>13211604
>>13211573
no way it is gonna be a karaoke

>>13211376
>it automatically signs you up for the membership at $5 a month if you donated to a streamer
What the fuck? That sounds like a scam.
>>13211527
Still sounds pretty scummy.

>>13211626
>2026
Iofi...

>>13211527
>>13211614
That sounds like something that would immediately stop people from using their service. I know I won't.

>>13211376
Wait, by membership you mean membership to streamlabs, or membership to the streamer?

>>13211785
https://mobile.twitter.com/GraysenMack/status/1461062890283102212

>>13211840
What the fuck? Isn't this illegal?
Also if that's true it'd hit the IDs more than NijiEN because Indonesia is one of those countries that don't have access to superchats and so use streamlabs for that.

>>13211376
>>13211527
>>13211614
>>13211699
>>13211785
WAIT A MINUTE....
>donation service mostly used by NijiEN and kept at arms length by HoloEN management is embroiled in controversy and imploding in front of a popcorn munching audience?

OH NO NO NO
>O-OMEGA SAMA, I KNEEL!
How can someone from Hololive Management be THIS competent and have THIS much foresight?

You guys are kneeling here too, right?

>>13211840
jesas

>>13211203
>everyone who brings up numbers that makes Gura look bad is a samefagging schizo!!!!1111!!!!

>>13211892
It's almost like despite all the shit YT gets, going through YT means that if there are fuck-ups, YT is the one handles them...
I wonder why even K*** still sticks to using YT despite advocating for streamlabs usage for a period of time.

>>13211892
That was before his time, way back when Coco and most of gen 4 were having trouble getting monetized and Coco tried to push for streamlabs as an alternative.

>>13211892
I look forward to the seething that Omega will cause with an actual debut/stream.

>>13211981
You realize this manager (or the ensemble of managers behind that avatar) is the one that created HoloEN in the first place, right?

>>13212015
my dick is ready

>>13212018
If you actually read the interview the guy who brought up the idea to Yagoo was there as a translator and didn't actually become a manager until after EN was a thing, which is long after the streamlabs push by coco

>>13211876
Yeah, for NijiEN, streamlabs is a bonus. It's a little more money but if they didn't have it it wouldn't kill them, for the IDs it could literally kill their entire superchat income. It won't affect HoloId as much because of their global fanbase, but others like NijiID or Maha5 or the indies could see serious problems from this

>>13211951
Even if gura is absent for 2 weeks or a month you still bring your sad bait everyday for attention

https://youtu.be/sV73WpieOl8
Any bets for reaching 10K?

>>13212255
11k easy peasy

>>13212255
not reaching it

>O-OMEGA SAMA ONEGAI!
At least Nina crossed the threshold but sure as hell her genmates are lagging.

Gotta give it to Nina, she was not ashamed of go for numberfagging from the get go (with regards to ask for subs, at least) and it shows.

>>13212255
nah

>>13211136
Her outfit is good but her neck and face look fucking weird. It's her voice that they like.

>>13212493
They never bothered updating her rig cause she doesn’t stream.

>>13211926
You can ask for a refund easily. What they are doing is legal, but it's unethical since it's exploiting people's ignorance (hidden fees).

>>13210797
It's not really the same situation, but back during Miko's 3 month health hiatus, she was gaining subs at about the same, if not slightly higher pace than Suisei and they both passed Sora.

It is similar in that both had a surge of very popular clips and videos before their break.
Add to that how many members keep telling stories about them and their "brand" kept growing despite the lack of streams.

Plus, instantly recognizable face and voice.

>>13212307
imagine after omega's debut, he/she will incline massively

>>13211691
There was a chance earlier in the year of her making in late 2021. It seemed she could make it with a few events , but her and quite a few others have started to slow down in sub growth around councils debut.

>>13211719
Aki needs another reddit moment

>>13211376
They copied Lightstream's site and OBS's code since it was open source. It's just a huge mess really. They even copied comments adding little bits so it's not so obvious.

>>13212741
Aki needs another Ark and some consistency. She would get a regular 5 to 7k everytime she would play ark solo before the saviour fags showed up. Real respectable numbers. She built up a nice niche of ark ojisans, they seem to be gone now though.

>>13212711
Sub growth has slowed down a lot for everyone.

>>13213028
The boom ended, right now is the stabilization period.

>>13212741
>>13212963
first part is true but the second part is just parroted misinformation.

>>13213102
Just look back her numbers for ark were always her best. She just happened to stop playing ark as much around that reddit moment. So the ark ojisans had nothing to watch. She also took a few breaks for health reasons since then which also didn't help her momentum. It's clear to see going back.

>>13211140
Watching Peko drop a non-chalant 80k stream feels like watching Steph dropping a 50-piece. It just feels so natural and in-rhyhtm.

>>13211140
Gura denying him the bronze.

>>13210249
>he doesn't know
ngmi

>>13211454
Aki, Choco, Luna, Mel not even calculated....at least she got included.

ayame is going to participate in that pokemon tourney isnt she

>>13214067
Yes but she won’t stream any of it again like last year.

To all the Graph and Data anons here. Has anyone ever tried to create a vtuber equivalent of the NBA EFF (efficiency) or PER (Player efficiency rating)? The positive stats would be easy enough to determine (Subs, median Peak CCV, SC, VODs) but trying to figure out what could be considered as negative stats is hard though.

>>13214504
Dislikes?

>>13213836
Can’t even call him Bronzeboy…

>>13214589
Too easy to manipulate by outside forces. I was originally thinking of stuff like cancelled streams or not being able to stream 3x a week but shit was to messy and hard to weigh properly. I wonder if a chuuba EFF would still work if we removed the need for negative stats in the formula? But then I worry that it would favor 1 style of chuuba too much.

>>13214700
Trying to cook a multivariable black box mystery meat “rating” is dumb and something expected of BiliBili zhangs.

Just compare what can be measured, and directly. Big number > small number

>>13215078
I still think it'd be interesting. It'd at least give us a way to measure chuubas with different strengths without over or undervaluing their strengths and weaknesses. Like Suisei and Mori are completely different chuubas content wise from Pekora, Kuzuha. And even those two are different from SC monsters like Rushia, or even ASMR chuubas like Patra or variety streamers like Mito and Haachama. The problem is how you can properly weigh each strength without giving one metric too much of an advantage.

>>13215308
You can’t compare what not comparable. Even a two variable comparison (watched hours = sum avg ccv * stream length) ends up grouping together long hours low CCV streamers with big CCV regular hours ones.
Attempting to do it with an even bigger set of variables will always lead to the same thing: bias in the choice of weights for the variables and a meaningless score that serves no purpose or carries any predictive capability.

>>13215443
Yeah, you're probably right... Maybe someone takes a stab at it still, just for shits and giggles. It sure as hell won't be me though since I suck at Excel and google sheets.

>Holostats is down
Hopefully it is still collecting data

>>13216016
use hololyzer in the meanwhile. No graphs though

>>13216016
It seems to be working normally for me anon.

>>13216016
it's fine on my end.

>>13216154
Do they keep average and peak or just peak?

Partially for numbers, partially curiosity.

This is the 8th, yes EIGHT time I had Miori's Do you remember recommended in the last 4-5 hours.
Already watched it 3-4 times today and it keeps coming back.

Is anyone else getting this recommended?

Also, I'm not familiar with all the EN YT Vtuber startups. Is this by chance their most viewed video now?

>>13216297
Isn't that the one thats friends with a HoloEN?

>>13216297
nope
stop watching it and itll stop recommending them to you

>>13216342
99% of the time it happens the other way. I watch something once and it doesn't come back.

Wtf, it's almost 6 a.m. JST, and Shion is still streaming for 10k audience.

>>13216166
>>13216171
Weird, must be on my end then

>>13212525
>What they are doing is legal
What? No it isn't. They're using your payment information to charge you for things you haven't agreed to purchase. It's like if you bought something off Amazon and they automatically signed you up for Prime. You need to actually confirm that you want to purchase something before you can be charged, businesses absolutely can not use your card details to sign you up to random shit they offer without your knowledge.

>>13216580
You need to click a checkbox to get charged for that monthly fee. People check the box thinking that it's a free service. They don't know if they will be charged later (hidden fees). It's like how all online stores in the US not display the full price of their products (tax not included). It's an unethical thing to do, but there's no regulation for this.

>>13211140

>>13216477
Well if you're only going to get permissions for a short amount of time, might as well make use of them.

>>13216768
no it`s not

>>13216477

She has been talking about this game for months, not surprised honestly lol. But yeah, given the permissions she probably is pushing even more in how long can this be

>>13211140
I get it's minecraft, I get it's something novel and new, I get it's with Marine, and JP primetime.
Still, is 80k not utterly insane for a regular stream? How big is she gonna get?

>>13216327
... Yes. She also got a shout out from Mori. Coincidence, probably

>>13216477
Shion LOVES pokemon and she only gets to play it for one week a year because of perms.

>The king 3d vs mario party
Today will be fun

Ina has 7800 people waiting for 20 minutes while she has technical difficulties and it's actually rising. Her core fanbase is pretty loyal apparently

>>13217079
>mario party
is that the pekomarinebotantowa stream? if so im going to guess its going to be at towas channel again

>>13217186
Good chance some of those are also watching Shion right now.
Waiting numbers seem to be pre-cull stats.

>>13214504
It wouldn't be worth the work unfortunately. The numberfaggots here will just trash it as "irrelevent" if it doesn't give them the result they want.

Botan said the PEBOT+Marine collab (mario party?) Will be on Towa's channel. This will be quite the debuff. It will do good numbers, but not blockbuster numbers.

>>13217351
>luis 3d day
>sportfes training overlaps
>fumi 3d
>10-11 holo overlaps
>hajime 3d
>towa…
Hololive why

>>13217351
It will get between 40k and 50k I'm guessing.

>>13217547
Probably just because Towa was the one who made the collab happen, so, her channel. That's just how the cookie crumbles my freind.

Towa`s last mario party host. Wouldnt expect much more than that.

>>13216327
Bae

>>13217662
That's a really good cast, but not PekoMari good

>>13217662
>Micomet vs pebot mari
damn pekor mad at miko or something

>>13218012
There's more MiComet tomorrow?

>>13218012
out

>>13217351
>on Towa's channel
What a waste. If they didn't want to give the gold to Pekora again they could have at least put it on Marine's channel.

>>13218123
Man complaining about wasted streams misses the point. If you want the top dogs to get all the numbers you end up with Kuzeha, his boyfriend, a couple chicks, and 100 livers no one cares about.

>>13211140
Marine has been part of 3 streams that passed 80k viewers this week.

>>13218123
Does towa debuff field equal to kiara debuff field?

>>13218264
massive debuff even before pre-spamview days

>>13218123

So much for the UNITY...........

>>13218179
>>13218336
I just want Pekora to get the numbers she deserves.

>>13218264
Not the same situation, Towa is just so much behind the others in subs and popularity her channel is a literal debuff channel. Not as big a Debuff as some others like aki or Rbc but still a rebuff. It's not like she shows up people tune out, as seen during lamy birthday when she hit 70k singing with Towa.

>>13217662
It might have gone a bit higher but they got susaned.

>>13214504
>>13214700
>>13215078
>>13215308
>>13215443
>>13215623
>>13217321
The efficiency system is very easy to make. Just look at NND's Vocaloid ranking system.

Stat categories that could be used:

Content Delivery
>number of streams/videos per day, week, month whatever
>duration of said content (could be total)
>consitency of delivery (on time, every time, all the time)

Audience:
>CCV
>VOD

Engagement:
>Likes (YT dislikes RIP)
>live chat posts
>comments

MONI (this is probably the hardest to quantify and is mostly gypsy math):
>SC
>"Thanks"
>Ad potential (YT avg + VOD)
>Premium potential (Ad potential xN)

This only apply for things like YouTube, so you would have to find a way to integrate other platforms like Nico, Twitch, Twitter if you want to make the rating as accurate as possible.

>>13217662
The last time this group of four did anything was a 40k momotetsu back in 2020. Pekora diehards are around 20k-25k and Marine diehards are around 15k-20k these days. Adding in around 7k diehards for Botan and 5k for Twap gets us to around 52k, but there's probably overlap of Twap, Botan, and Pekora, so taking out around 5k of overlap gives us an estimate of 47k. However there are a few other factors to add, namely the fact that the Mario Party collab back then ran into flak from a fucking Pekora card opening stream with hand camera as well as a big Knockout collab with 6pov. Depending on the other in-holo competition, it could easily end up 55k.
People here have short memories, as when Towa dragged Shuba Pekora Marine into her 3D she broke all expectations and got up to 65k despite running the worst marketing campaign with absolutely no advertisement and not even a hint as to who her guests were, even while Haachama was running a 20k meme review at the same time. People just assume debuff which is valid but Marine/Peko autism is truly terrifying.

>>13218264
>equal to kiara debuff field
Let’s not get carried away. Miko inclined literally by removing Kiara thumb from her POV in the sportsfes.
I don’t blame Kiara or think it’s something she can change but it exists and it’s huge

>>13216297
GO MIORI GO
She's great

>>13216297
Happened with me to VEAH from Haachama

>>13218598
Also Towa is one of the chuubas who actually has managed to incline to a higher median after the viewchange last year.

>>13218598
yeah, I remember that day. its the day silverking mogged towa lol

>>13218775
Yes, but Towa's growth isn't indigenous holo growth but more from her extended network/Apex growth. Those likely aren't going to tune in for an all-Holo collab. In any case they're a glint in the eye compared to nousagi hordes.
>>13218811
There's no Koshien this time to compete, though. The delta is solely going to be what other holos are streaming at this time. If it's not big names like migo or shuba there's a good chance they can make a run for it, especially with a relatively weak niji3D as opposition.

>>13218811
>Kuzugold
Good times! Here is a kneel for the good old days

>>13218929
>a relatively weak niji3D
One thing is guaranteed: there will be more people in the audience to spit at and boo Hajime than showed up for Fumi and Luis.

>>13218929
yeah thats the thing its silverboy. Imagine losing to Hajime tho lmao.

>>13219037
I want to see the shitshow if a Niji3D loses to a normal collab on the JP side.

>>13218811
It'd be more embarassing if Silver boy with Koshien buff didn't mog the dumb devil. Nijisanji during koshien month is basically the entire company running on the biggest buff that they could produce and even then they barely beat Holo in Golds during that month. It's the reason why they've been spamming tournament after tournament, trying to basically find a winter equivalent of koshien.

>>13219136
>trying to basically find a winter equivalent of koshien.
One thing I can guarantee
>it’s definitely not Splatoon

>>13219065
you act like silverboy wont also stream tomorow

>>13219105
Hasn't Niji basically doomed themselves to constantly declining numbers by not producing new talents in the last 12 months? All the upcoming 3ds will be midgets. Who's left that will pull real numbers?

>>13219136
The funny thing is I hate baseball and Kuzuha and I still watched that because it was truly a God Run, it was really quite amazing what he pulled off there in game.

>>13219183
Silverboy isn't going to overlap a niji3D, which is the whole point of primetime.

>>13219196
>by not producing new talents in the last 12 months?
Neither company debuted JP in the last 12 mont-
>Edengumi
Oh… ;-(

Ina 10K
Still no gaming

>>13219136
>winter equivalent of koshien
its mariokart and mahjong.

Meanwhile Ina hit 10k not even playing anything because she still waiting for COD to reinstall.

>10K
>she literally did nothing for an hour because she can't start the game

Imagine Kiara doing JRPG but fail to start the game, and gets over 8K by chatting.

>>13218929
Wait, you think an incline that started before she joined apex tournaments, still makes apex be her generally least watched content and her most watched content is almost always holo collabs as non-holo related growth from outside connections? huh?

>>13219330
>>13219360
I was watching Ina's tits all this time

>>13219263
he said talents

>>13219263
Hmm how are they doing? Let's check last months median of peaks...

Leos 4401
Lauren 4204

Well that's Aki level so not exactly great.

Axia 3356

Oof okay that's still Moona level

Oliver 1734
Lain 1503

Jesus this is Astel level. Wtf happened to all their hype?

>>13219618
but she has no tits

>>13219706
TKB

>>13219618
I was watching her pits which turns me on

>>13219654

>Lain 1503
Manjisanji moment

>>13219196
Pretty much. The next 3d that possibly might get beyond 60k won't be until Ngo due to her recent incline. But you also have to account for possible decline of hype as well. There's a lot of things that could happen from now until she gets her 3d that could either incline her further or rob her of her spotlight. Shit's honestly a delicate situation. It's weird but with the previous discussions about Anykara being dependent on 3rd party music Labels compared to Cover owning its own music because they're supposedly a music label now, Yumenographia getting shut down, NijiKr not only losing their top two chuubas but getting mogged by some korean upstarts who are leeching on Holo's fame, and NijiEN being just "okay-ish" with Selen being the only one of note from that branch (who still loses to fucking Moona by the way). I can't help but think that despite being overtly cautious dumbasses, maybe Yagoo actually knows what he's doing. Either that or Black magic.

>>13219303
Yeah, no. We're not gonna be seeing those kinds of numbers (at least from Niji) for awhile. Thanks Susan

>>13219560
I don't think you understand Towa's audience. Unlike most holos, Towa's audience is extremely binary. Aside from her diehards, there are two groups: those who are typical "Holo" type viewers and those who are typical "Vspo" type viewers.
Holo type viewers watch the following types of content: Holo-collabs, karaoke, 3D, non-FPS games, and zatsudans.
Vspo type viewers watch Vspo-collabs, karaoke, 3D, FPS games, and zatsudans. However, in the event of an FPS tournament, they will watch their favorite Vspo/Vspo-like which reduces the overall viewership for any particular Vspo-type vtuber during a tournament due to massive split POVs.
For a Mario Party Holo collab, it is more likely to attract Holo-type viewers and less likely to attract Vspo-type viewers. This basically places a ceiling on how many of Towa's viewerbase will watch.

>>13216959
It's mostly Marine.

it's insane to me how Shion this stream alone has more streamed hours than Aqua this month combined. I miss my endurance onion

>>13219890

Ngo as in that pink girl from the same wave as Chigusa? She of all people having a incline?

>>13220011
>Thanks Susan
???? those are late December/January numbers (post spamview). Nijisanji is generally strong during the holiday seasons

>>13217225
Marine is joining PekoTowaBota? Jesas.

>>13220142
Yes, of course that's obvious shit. But you said she had more external growth than holo growth which is just bullshit.

>>13219890
Yagoo is cheating, Watamage is under his employment.

>>13220206
Shion lost her depression and Aqua got depressed ironically

>>13220255
Ah shit, you're right. Looking at it closer I can see Gen 5 NY custome reveals streams. Damn, I forgot how big the holiday numbers were for both companies.

>>13220565
There is a set amount of depression that must exist in the chuuba industry at any one time and the girls just pass it around between themselves. Cover attempted to concentrate it all on one chuuba when they hired Aloe but she had even more serious mental issues and couldn't be a proper vessel.

>>13220231
Some meme of her's blew up in NND, at least as per the anons here who were explaining why she suddenly raced past most of her wave mates in CCV

>>13220531
>Watamage is under his employment.
Also have you guys noticed how many demons he has under him?
>Choco
>IRyS
>Towa
and, of course, GodChama.

He even had one to spare (Aloe) which he sacrificed and sprinkled her blood over Gen5 for good luck and numbers

>>13220878
Yagoo is Catholic and prays the rosary daily. Why do you think so many holos webt to Catholic school?

>>13221026
One thing doesn’t preclude the other. He knows the balance of power and is hedging his bets

I love the Hololive black magic meme.

>>13220772
Multiple clips of her actually, she’s got her own category there.

Pretty crazy to see how fast they expanded. From 93 people when HoloEN first debut to 170.
Here's Nijisanji's chart to compare (only goes up to April 2021). They have 155 people according to their summary.

>>13222545
I guess most of them are managers, does this also include for example janitors?

>>13222615
Should be office workers only.

>>13219654
jesus, gen 5 mogged two gens worth of talents

>>13222615
There are no janitors in hololive. Not anymore.

>>13220231
>>13220772
Hi, me again.
We've been praising Ngo as an all round excellent vtuber for a while, but her gen is pretty weak and they still aren't getting much attention on YT.
She started getting really big with clips on NND since spring, they're even calling her Queen of NND now. Can't check this because fuck that site.

On YT she'd had several clips this year with over 100k views, which is huge for her gen, but the big one was this animation with 1.2 million views.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhcUaDKtKgw

She leveraged that boost, along with her "minasamaaa" intro being popular with other livers to a subscriber boom and a 10k live viewer stream soon after.
Since, she's kept the 30min-1h game stream series which gets 5-6k viewers...
offset by her late night zatsu and voice acting streams, which get around 1k, to an average of 2.5k stream viewers. Still means that her potential for events has become really high for Nijisanji, even solo.
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCL_O_HXgLJx3Auteer0n0pA
Viewers are way higher than the rest of her gen and sort of in the mid-high tier of niji females
She's very talented as an entertainer, role player, voice actor, host and singer, so she still has potential to grow.

I still think Shelly's "soon" 3D reveal would be way bigger, even if just for the meme of him using the 3D model for over 1 year now, but still waiting for the debut.

>>13222545
is it me or does the Cover graph feels more vague than Anycolor's

>>13222880
>We
no, thats you, now fuck off with your shilling

>>13222545
on wantedly. 189 now.

>>13223113
From yagoos recent post, it seems they have all the gaming staff they wanted hired except art(?) directors.

>>13222908
Only if you thought for some reason that the top one wasn't Cover. It clearly has more information on it.

>>13222545
Jezas, how much more people do they intend to hire? Or does this include the HoloAlt people as well?

She was having technical problems and is back to normal now but this made me laugh my ass off when I saw on my YT homepage

>>13222966
Anon, i never made an Ngo thread before, they just pop up here every week or so.
I know it's surpassing, but people here actually watch Nijisanji. It's not all falseflaggers.


Also, bets on what Niji Male actually passes 150k$ dollars for his 3d Debut?
Candidates look to be
Kaida
Shelly
Lauren
Leos?

My money's on Kaida, then Lauren beats 200k if vtubing is still a big ting in 2023.

>>13222545
> 93 -> 170
Well, they need to multiply their numbers by at least two if they want to fully cover NA and JP time.
I think at this point, each girl has multiple managers, and each manager has multiple girls.
They have 3 management levels based on the pitch deck (M5, M6, and M7).

And the scope of responsibility is probably like this:
M5: Deal directly with their assigned girls. Whatever they need to get (game perms, collab request, promotions, travel, etc), M5 will have to deal with all of these.
M6: Deal with M5 in their assigned generation (JP0, JP1, etc). If M5 couldn't handle the task, then M6 will deal with the girl directly.
M7: Deal with M6 in their assigned branch (JP/EN/ID). If M6 couldn't handle the task, then M7 will deal with the girl directly.

>>13222858
based rami

>>13223268
isn't this normal number for nijien?

>>13223186
no reason why they shouldnt count, i think

>>13223315
Is Kaida more popular than Fuwa?

>>13223485
not too far from it

>Feesh and ghost currently at 1.5k CCV combined.
Jeez. Those are waiting room numbers. Like... an hour before the actual stream waiting room numbers

>>13223563
by no means.
But Tomoe and Ibrahim weren't more popular than Kagami during their 3D debut, yet they made more money.
Power creep is real... and inflation.

Kaida has the bonus story arc though, of becoming part of Kuzuha's Apex group, being on that deserted island and getting a 3D already for events.
Like Shelly, he'll get the "he deserves it" boost for having the model for a while, but not the payday of a 3D debut yet.

>>13223315
I suggest you go back to the board where you can speak your native language, ESL.

>>13223416
Average salary in Tokyo is around 50-60k. Let’s just use 50k as a rough estimate. That’s 9 million a year in payroll a year. That’s a lot of money but HL has a lot of revenue. But man it must be nerve racking knowing some yab could start a graduation spiral while you burn 8 figures a year in costs.

>>13223893
you`re assuming there are no interns in a tech company

>>13211073
The last time she appeared was in Hologra was August

>>13223315
>Candidates
Axia

>>13219654
>>13219890
Literally all of those are doing very well. You people are sick int he mind and only argument in bad faith to have a hunger for tribalism.

>>13223937
It doesn’t really matter. Some will be cheaper some way more expensive. Maybe a few get cuts too. Regardless 100+ employees gets expensive. Unless the girls are included in these numbers in which case it’s far more reasonable.

>>13223974
thats true but shes been to a lot of collabs instead, recently

PekoMari skyblock mod will be a thing until they kill the ender dragon. That has the potential to add many golds to both Pekora's and Marine's total count.

>>13223673
She's over 1k now don't be retarded

>>13224013
not your hugbox retard

>>13223673
Yeah, only 900 or more. Not a big difference after all..

>>13224117
not hugbox means being delusional with numbers, got it. Imagine being such a retard where 5-6k or heck even 1k are bad numbers. Only here.

>>13222858
w-wamy I'm sorry

>>13224080
It will do good as long as they keep it all on Pekora's channel. Minecraft isn't much of a buff game for Marine's channel, her audience doesn't seem to like it much.

>>13224013
They are but it's funny in hindsight with how hyped they were by some people when they still had their debut buff.

>>13224013
This was in the context of Nijis future performance of growth. Sure they are doing okay. But they aren’t growing or even maintaining the performance of the top performers even in their company. This means future peaks will be smaller and there isn’t obvious targets for growth. It also means while HL grows it puts them deeper in the algorithmic hole.

>>13224212
iirc next one will be on marines

>>13224186
5-6 k is about low tier HoloJP numbers, 1k is about HoloID numbers. That's for a JP chuuba who had massive debut hype.

>>13223893
didn't Yagoo once say that even if the internet were to go out for a couple of years, he can still keep the company running?

>>13224186
They are bad numbers, sorry to break it to you. We talk about the big leagues here.

>>13224407
He said even if they brought in 0 money they had years of funds

>>13224407
I wouldnt particularly doubt it, but where did he say that? Sounds like a weird interview subject

>>13224407
Yes. Based on even conservative estimates of ads, premium, sc,
Memberships, sponsorships, merch, concerts etc cover would burn 10 million a year for a few years and probably be fine their revenue has grown at an insane rate over the last 24 months.

>>13224186
of course those are bad number, we are talking about latest wave of Nijisanji Japan, biggest vtuber company there

>9 hours stream
>inclining again because japs are waking up

>>13224564
Hololive brought in what, 55m+ in revenue last year BEFORE all the sponsorships and merch deals (except curry meshi).

>>13224665
go to sleep mr shio

>>13224665
does this count as today's or yesterday's number

>>13224564
On the other hand is Cover is getting that revenue you need to downgrade how much the talents get significantly. Rushia definitely is not earning 700k+ if Cover is taking cuts big enough to pay 170 managers plus overheads with profit left over

>>13224852
started a little after midnight, so todays

>>13224580
Nijisanji isn't the biggest vtuber company in Japan since 2020. They are 2nd since then.
>>13224330
>>13224276
That's the thing you all don't understand, you don't need to have holo numbers to be successful. In the mindset of you guys, this entire industry is a disaster outside of hololive considering most can't even reach nijisanji. They aren't doing ok. Ok is Niji KR or Niji ID.

>>13224665
Shion is going to be top 10 in hours watched this month

>>13221254
TIL: YAGOO is actually God.

>>13224913
all the estimations already counted out the cover cuts (which is a fixed %, no matter how many employees you got to pay)

>>13224962
>ok is Niji KR or Niji ID
top kek, you must be just baiting for (you)s at this point, this is gonna be your last one

>>13225027
Cover is not making 100 million a year so either cuts weren't included or you're vastly overestimating Covers revenue.

>>13224702
Imagins how much more they could have gotten if they had taken the knee and stayed with China. Rip 2nd Azure Lane collab

>>13225121
Anon, Cover brought in a 15m profit last year, they’re fine.
>>13225167
Don’t be retarded, Bilibili wanted them out. If it wasn’t Coco it would’ve been Haachama or someone else.

>>13225121
>you
lol dont include me in that, but if any retard comes here and puts up some estimation without counting out the cuts, they are going to be called out immediately

>>13221026
coincidence?

>>13224533
you can find here https://www.businessinsider.jp/post-231063 some of Yagoo's interviews

>>13225280
At a 5x ev:revenue which is roughly par with mobile game companies thatd value them at 250m last year. This year i could easily see over 100m of revenue. Cover could very well be worth over a billion this year.

Speaking of China, Hololive were actually kicked, by someone who has political power that entered the Vtubing market. They wanted advertising, they were waiting for the perfect opportunity to kick Holo out of the competition, and Coco was the perfect scapegoat. since she's American they are the puppet masters. And the reason why the Chink arc happened. And why it got so big that Hololive is blacklisted from China.
>>5044878
>>5044878
>>5044878

>>13225535
Of course it is. This is why you never do business with China

>>13219654
>Lain 1503

>>13225078
Or you are a retard who tthink a streamer having over 500 viewers is ok.

>>13225315
Never trust coincidences

>>13225535
China in general is a shit show (more than usual) right now cause they’re having their party election soon.

>>13225357
>03/22/2021
They have reclined a lot since them

>>13225535
Ok but why did China wanted to kick out Hololive in the first place?

*i'm really clueless about that

>>13225535
who is that person?
>>13225710
It depends on what she's streaming. Most of the time she's above 1k.

>>13225773
They have their own vtuber group

>>13225773
money? Aqua and Fubuki were growing really, really fast in bilibili

Maybe Nijisanji should divide their males, while putting females in some other group that no one will remember about in this thread or elsewhere in the world, just like Holostars in Cover. Why do you anons think?

Lets say hypothetically Kuzuha decides to defect to Holostars. Could he save them?

>>13225789
>who is that person?
The voices inside that anon's head

>>13225773
When Hololive successfully got kicked out of China, they made their own Vtubing company, heard klit was successful since alotta Chinese fans (yes, say what you want about their HoloCN branch, but JP was really popular amongst Chinese.) were bitter about Hololive choosing Coco instead of them.

In short, Hololive got kicked out, because some political Chinese wanted the Vtubing market for themselves.

>>13225978
He can actually since Izuru and Astel are Apex Players.
But he won't be Miko tier anymore

>>13226069
You forgot that they launched almost immediately after Hololive got kicked out.
It’s what made people think it was planned by Bilibili.

Does anyone know what was up with Cover saying they didn't find anyone suitable for Gen 6? Japan is teeming with hungry indie vtubers I find it hard to believe they couldn't find 5 talents among them all

>>13225771
>They have reclined a lot since them
In what way that you think is significant?
Also you can recline and still be profitable, and not making as much as they did before is a far throw from being able to survive for years even without internet.

>>13226150
Well, yeah, even Bilibili themselves were supposedly the one who wanted HoloCN. They wanted to buy it from Hololive.

Looks like Kiara also got permissions for it, or sponsored:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rpRAuQzTHs

>>13226272

Everyone has permissions for it because of the tournament on Nico Nico. After the tournament is over tho who knows

>>13226235
they never said that

>>13226235
That wasn't gen6 you fucking mongoloid. Those 2 were PREMADE, and it came out a long time ago, which means, Cover wanted THEM to be specific, 2, literally a duo, then it must be very specific, and they did not find those 2 that were suitable.

>ina ending just before gura
illegal

>>13217351
I wish collabs between my favorites didn't congregate around Towa.

Today's superchat
Holy shit what a terrible day, not even regular uneventful weekday bad but aggresively bad almost to the point of being impressive. I don't even remember someone making the chart with less than $1000 before and now here's three.

>>13226346
they can still play it some weeks after the tournament

>>13226471
Surprising Haachama was that low for a 3d. Did she really burn off her gachis?

>>13226235
B u l l s h i t
The only thing they said that for was 2 premade .odels, and those were revealed in early 2020.
Since the. We've gotten
11 en
5 JP (-1)
3 ID
So the more likely thing is that they couldn't find anyone who wanted the models, and rather than continue to sit on them they just retired them for closure.
Please don't go believing every rrat that pops up on the board.

>>13225930
Unironically, that might be the only way to salvage Niji females. Let's be real here for a sec. Except for a relative few, many of the girls in Nijisanji are average at best, mediocre at worst. If you put them in an environment where they have to compete with males for attention, the guys will almost always win out, especially now that Nijis top talents are male and are shifting the brand to a more male chuuba centric demo. At that point you either turn the girls into just accessories for the guys or you quarantine them so they can be allowed to shine on their own.

>>13225771
coo, it's the "bubble bursting soon" schizo

>>13226150
Remember that Bilibili deleted all videos that defends Coco while leaving the edited videos that have Taiwan flag in them alone

>12k in hour 9
Shion is actually inclining a bit now that JOPs are waking up after 9 hours of streaming.
Rare that we get to see some Kuzuha-esque viewcharts from a Holo.

>>13226544
That was a seperate announcement.

>>13226687
she can hit 13k

>>13219654
Fun fact: Lain is still leading in subs for Edengumi at 247k. The first week sub boost was huge (I think Leos is the fastest Niji member to 100k subs), but it's grinded to a halt for months.
Axia and Oliver are still below 200k subs.

>>13226605
Males are numbers poison for females. This will always be the case.

>>13226723
There's been NO annoucments on Jp6, unless something's been stated very recently (aka, provide proof)

>>13226824
> Lain is still leading in subs for Edengumi at 247k
jesus chirst they really fucking dropped

>>13226471
the hell happened? i know there were a lot of collabs but this is just weird, only impressive total here is definitely not norio's husband getting a nice chunk of change

Gura gonna play Pokemon Brilliant Diamond tomorrow. Can she get 30k i wonder?

>>13226419
Eh, EN box push is way weaker than jp so, no, not illegal view funneling

>13226723
Fucking retard

>>13227148
>17k for a chat stream
looks fucking strong for 10min and with the danger of dmc4 later.

>>13226544
I do wonder why Cover said those models' mamas would continue to give Cover support. Seems very weird, especially when one has been 'jokingly' seething on twitter that his daughter isn't a vtuber yet. He stopped doing that sometime after IRyS debuted.

>>13226235
Considering membership into hololive is a ticket to the top of the foodchain(70% of hololive is in the top 50) I'm very suspicious of any implications no one wants to join. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't get what they want but that would be the product of their standards being way too high or no one who has the skills they want applied.

>>13227259
>18K and climbing just chatting
>couldn't even break 13K with the last dmc4 stream
The power of debuff games.

>>13227259
Why exactly DMC a debuff game? I know 4 isn't the best but even DMC3 didn't get high numbers.

They're freaking awesome

>>13226605
are groups within Nijisanji even segregated enough for that to be worth it?

>>13227509
I hate zoomers so much sometimes.
No appreciatation for older hacknslash games or hacknslash in general.
Pokemon Gura tomorrow (she wanted to play it today but release dates staggered? Or something)

>>13227560
Long + not fun to watch + old graphics + Gura isn't good at them

>>13227560
unless the person playing is a master of combos they are awful streaing games for newcomers that can only do 2-3 combos

>>13227643
different regions have different unlock times

>>13227560
gura is bad at it .

>>13225535
Hololive is not blacklisted. People still post chinese translated Hololive clips on bilibili today.
Some of the bilibili channels were banned or deleted by the chinks groups that ran the channels (Cover never really ran the accounts themselves) when the Taiwan shit happened and it obviously wasn't worth the trouble and backlash to keep streaming for the chinks when they were throwing a tantrum.
Why they lost permissions for chink games or things like the ASUS incident is because chink antis would harass the companies on social media.

>>13227788
Yea. That's it.
>>13227652
>>13227718
>>13227867
Valid point. I wonder how someone who's more competent at the games would do numbers-wise.

>>13227560
Its funny how autistic Gura got over being "bad" at Maneater but has no issue shitting it up in DMC

>>13228140
to be fair it's her second day in her new job.

>>13227509
The catshark magic

>nijien mario party collab
>2 povs
i want to kill nijien management

>>13227509
Gura rarely does just plain zatsu streams, usually they're mixed in with SC readings so...rarity buff really.
Bleh, looks like the entire week is going to be *At her usual time slot, but with no hard schedule
Gonna be interesting to see how her numbers do, but man has it got to be annoying for those who usually just check her schedule to plan around things.

>>13227958
Their own chink branch social media handler for these companies are complicit.

>>13228217
What?? What kind of retard allow this?

I just don't understand pokemon perms.

この映像は、任天堂のゲーム著作物の利用にあたり、
収益の全てを投稿者が受け取り、投稿者の所属法人が収益を得ないことで、 任天堂の個人向けガイドラインの適用を受けています

This is from met which is under 774 company.

>>13228217
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>13227958
Then what about Anime's that censors Hololive in the credits, like that one Nene took a VA on.

>>13228232
Just plan around her timeslot like what the JP fans have been doing. "Oh, it's peko hours! Let's see what she streams today!"

>>13228217
how can they be so retarded?

>>13228232
>rarity buff
Doesn't count when it's unscheduled and people barely know what it's about. The truth is she plays a lot of debuff games and around 20k would be her base if she didn't play things her audience absolutely snoozes at.

>>13228330
Is a loophole
By not taking money from the creator the vtuber then you can qualify under the individual streamer rules.

>>13228217
NijiEN are so retarded they deserve every one of their failures.

>>13228330
It appears they're using a loophole of 'The individual gets all revenue, so its the individual permissions we're using, not corpo ones? Seems suspect and liable to run into issues if the Pokemon Company pushes the issue.

>>13228330
Basically you can't monetize this new pokemon stream. I think its easier to get this pokemon remake since its not made by gamefreak.

>>13228444
I meant it sort of ironically but yes, Gura's baseline (without debuffs) seems to be 16-20k from what I've looked at numbers wise.

>>13228217
Next thing they gonna do is play it takes two with 2 pov just because the title of the game said so

>>13228444
>20k would be her base if she wasn't shit at her job
Ok but she is shit at her job so that will never be her base.

>>13228330
why use loopholes? why they don't get an agreement with nico nico like cover?

>>13228680
a watchalong with 3 povs

>>13228692
Her job isn't to satisfy your CCV fetish though? None of them have "play only buff games" as their job.

>>13228773
Nico is sponsoring Cover. Unless they want to sponsor 774 as well.

>>13228444
15k is her base at best, thats like saying that marines base is 30k just because of her chatting stream

So there will be an IRL event for HoloERROR:
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1461503627881639936

>>13228359
That's the Chinese localizers likely trying to keep away from the eye of the CCP. They won't tolerate anyone who supports ideals hostile to the Party, explicitly or otherwise.

So what is Gura's stream about? So far she was just listening to BGMs

Ohhh No Fallenshadow, it seems Gura will join Fauna's stream later.

>>13229035
is just a zatsu stram

>>13225535
What the fuck.

>>13229006
they actually rented a school? nice

>>13229163
There's no hard evidence, but given how the mainland bugs operate business-wise, and how quickly A-soul stepped in to fill the void...well, where there's smoke, there's fire.

Ollie's next Apex partner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbrYFQRLw3g

I swear, how the hell did she found these people?

>>13228692
>Ok but she is shit at her job
Kek numberrot on full display

>>13228692
I can't believe Mr Koro has been failing at her job for 3 fucking years

Gura’s likes have went up by around 4k in the past 15-20 minutes while her ccv has not increased an inch past the 19.2k, and has actually decreased instead.

Her stream has more likes than it has ccv. Good system youtube

>>13229769
People checking wtf she's doing, liking, then leaving or tabbing out since it's all audio really (I know I'm tabbed out)

>>13229769
retention my man, just let it go

>>13227291
Kakage is still commissioned by Cover for merchs. Probably he'll have a new daughter for gen 6.
>>13228217
4k total, not that bad but still stupid.
>>13229006
ERROR is always a real life escape room event. I think they already sold out their tickets for Saturday.

>>13229769
>Le susan culling ccv boogeyman

>>13229769
Ackhsually people are just tuning in liking and leaving.
Just like when they put up a poll and get 200% engagement rate compared to viewership it's discord cabals quickly coordinating to participate then leave. Stop coping, CCV is a accurate metric and youtube isn't fucking with it. It would make this whole thread very very silly if we obsessed over something this broken.

>>13229376
This guy had more views streaming Mito’s game than when he streamed the horror game with Korone, please delete your post, it goes against the narrative of this thread.

>>13229975
sorry nijisister but facts are not narratives

>>13229867
Why Rosemi and Enna?

>>13225773
Bilibili hired Artiafags built spam discord and they are Andy. His name is Whitell in Artia discord.

>>13229769
>Her stream has more likes than it has ccv. Good system youtube

I mean fans can easily click the like check the content and leave. Look at shion peaked around 15k but already with 24k likes.

>>13229921
Gura’s gained a grand total of 100 viewers in the past 10 minutes as her likes have climbed up to 21k now. It would make way more sense if the viewers were coming in the hundreds but at this point it’d just be retarded to think people are randomly hopping in to give a like and then leaving immediately

>>13230307
Shion has been streaming for 11 hours, Gura for 1.

>>13230341
Well, she's gonna start up DMC4, so yea viewership gonna drop off a cliff now.

>>13230341
>hopping in to give a like and then leaving immediately
I totally didn't do that h-haha

>>13230341
Its as if logic and reasoning flew out of your brain chumbud

>>13230341
I'm guessing a lot of people are tabbed out since she was basically doing a zatsudan.

>>13230307
Shion streaming for almost 12 hours and having 100% turnover rate makes a lot of sense.
Gura streaming for 1 hour and having more likes (22k) than her peak CCV (19k) is some weird youtube shit.

>>13230595
And Ame and Calli is starting. Still impressive to gain over 19k as an unscheduled zatsu.

>>13230595
And more tab out when she play game

Can you spot the moment she started dmc4?

>>13226150
Naturally, if someone said Taiwan or show Taiwan's flag on Bilibili. They just can not stream in Bilibili for 1 month.

But all Hololive's channels in Bstation was Hi-jacked and can not stream anymore by Bilibili' translation group.

>Ame starts
>Calli starts
>Shark starts DMC4

*Sigh*
Numberbros, let me be a refugee in this thread, for Global will be a fucking shit-show

>>13230684
Agreed, good numbers overall. The recent DMC debuffs made me forget her usual ccv is still around 15-20k. If only she had the rabbit's work ethic.

>>13230635
Tourists. 1 hr stream vs 11 hrs stream vod views >>13230539

>>13230237
Selen probably doesn't want to suck up all views.

>>13230341
Chumkiddies, so stop the cope.
They don't watch streams, so they just tune, leave a like then fuck off because Gura us boring as shit.

Counting manually from Holodex, Pekomari's MC generates 13 clips and miComet's MC generates 16 clips.

>>13230793
Shion
>17 minutes per view
Gura
>13 minutes per view

you now realized Hololive was the reason why China is cracking down on their chuubas with limited donations and the creation of this board.

>>13231016
More proof that Chumpedos are literal children with small attention spans

>>13228680
To be fair, I believe Towa and Botan did that for the first few stream until they settled into just 1 pov.

22k for HoloEN with Mumei's waiting room.

>GTAV
finally some fucking buff games

>>13230793
>Tourists
Retard. Tourists are the ones that don't leave likes/comment/sub.

>>13231587
probably 30k once mumei starts.
Still some debuff game shere and there with earthbound and dmc4

What's up with CCV cull boogeyman? Is this something EN fans come up with to cover the failures of HoloEN?

>>13231596
I'm gona highball and say 25k peak ccv

>>13231596
whos playing gtav?

>>13231872
Their imaginary friend kek. No one is playing GTA5 in schedule at all.

Nijisanji En 10k vs hololive en 22k it's a lot closer than I thought. If we get rid of memeshark then hololive is 13k for hololive en vs nijisanji en 10k. Once the males come you hololive en is done.

>>13231969
Gura mentioned on stream she's playing GTA5. If only she scheduled it, the buff could go into full effect

>>13231075
Bilibili' s translation groups have duty to edit or cut out something bad for Hololive before show in stream on Bilibili. They can edit and censor " Covid word" in real time because it has delay time.

But BB translation groups not censor or edit for Coco and Hololive but shut down all Hololive's channels in BB instead.

They even created "Coco took bullet for Haachama" and spread in 4chan. They don't want us find out that the true villain in Taiwan incident not Coco but them.

>>13229259
I wouldn't even be surprising if that was the case. China is the most hostile market in the world.

>>13231720
30k is like the base of EN with multiple stream in NA's prime time iirc.

>>13232051
>10k
Bitch what.
In what world are they 10k?
Once again, the 7k ceiling.

https://youtu.be/hwYFvh2rPII
What do we think of these numbers?

>13232051
Kek Nijikeks are desperate today huh? removing a member just to appear equal?

>>13232285
Kek

>>13232288
Disappointing 3D debut numbers.
Biebs has 66 mil subs and he loses to Nijis with less than 150k subs.

>>13232285
>pomu is sponsored
oh no no no no

>>13232319
Even worse, they somehow turned the actual number 6500 into 10k through coping magic.

>>13231694
Clearlty chumpedo tourists do. So stop with the cope

>>13232428
if you squint really hard, that 10k looks like 1000

https://twitter.com/tanigox/status/1461520679610687491
poach incoming

>>13232094
fuck GTA. can they just play mafia 1 or 2?

>>13232594
holostars en

>>13232428
Kek, I'm using a cloaking program so YT won't track my view. There are probably thousands like me as well.

>beiber 3d debut
>30k only
oh no no no beiber fags....

>>13232594
>https://youtu.be/hwYFvh2rPII
>30k
Well, he can be great for Holostars

>>13232094
No she doesn't. Fauna will be playing RE7 later so no GTA5 conspiracy or whatever delusion you come up with.

>>13232765
Not today anon, this week...

we live in a world where Mel has more viewers than JB. we need to cut ourselves to save him again

>>13232288
>>13232756
Bieber can't even hit Gura karaoke numbers on a 3d solo live? Graduation when?

>>13232288
Not a vtuber.

Hololive BTFO
https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/qx54ic/kkatamina_becomes_the_alltime_most_subbed_to/

>>13232288
The scene is amazing but the model is ugh.

>Vtuber debut
>60M subs
>Only 30k views
How can we save Justin Bieber?