/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

how does holo contracts work?
is per year?
or they are regular emplyees?

>>1301491
Yearly contracts.

You wish, subhuman bugman.

>>1301538

I actually do, Cover has gone to shit and she'd be getting same views on her alt

>>1301491
They don't get paid

>>1301432
these things do not correlate and are purely coincidental, try again

>>1301432
FEED ME RRATS

>>1301799

Ye she just happened to come back after 6 months to open a membership. Cope harder

>>1301491
Monthly stipends that are basically nothing and a percentage of super chats, memberships, and merch.

>>1301432
I believe this rrat

>>1301826
those things do not correlate and are purely coincidental, try again.

>>1301432
I'll watch whichever. Both of her channel has a lot of 'personality'

She and other holotalents have been fucked over so much that this sounds believable. I'm currently looking for Nijisanji tubies to watch, even if that means going back to the clips.

>>1301826
Why did she come back after 6 months, Einstein?

>>1301937
Watch Ryushen

>>1301937
Sasaki and Hoshikawa are a good place to start.

>>1301937
Here's your content for children
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqX1gUH6Z80&list=PL8b9mpfr_W9LLPRhIwN_hIT12ztLt1bYE&index=1

Kson takes a hiatus from YT during the peak of her alter-ego's chink situation, in which said chinks all knew her roommate identity and would have harrassed her on that channel as well, and y'all wonder *why* she did it?

You would not make good detectives. Guarantee she was planning to activate memberships before Chinkpocalypse happened but had to postpone it. Another nothingburger, move along.

>>1302124

Stop trying to make nothingburger a thing

>>1301830
>Percentage
Unless that percentage is >=75% she'd be better off flying solo

>>1302124
>You would not make good detectives
where do you think we are?
this isn't a place for reasonable theories, this is a place for rrats and LARPing

>>1301966
'Cause she had a deal to stream on another site.

>>1302275
What website? Be specific, faggot

>>1301432
I wouldn't care if she's in Hololive or not. I watch Coco for the person behind the avatar not the avatar itself. The same goes for Mori. Wherever these girls decide to stream after their time in Hololive is up I'll gladly follow them.

>>1301432
Right after getting several model updates?

>>1302407
Gibara is a thing. Anyway, there is no way Coco would graduate while living with Kanata.

>>1302407

Why would she give a fuck about that, not like the update came out of her pocket

The chinks won’t stop if she left. It’s better for her to stream on the personal account to make more money while doing Hololive for 3D models, concerts, and in 30 years maybe a chat mod

>>1301432

She opened membership on her other channel because she was worried that the Chinese antis would spam her chat.

She talked about the rule change because it affects meme review and her oshi.

I don't think they're related.

>>1302218
youtube takes 30% off the top, and then cover takes half after that iirc, giving her 35%

>>1301432
good im tired of the drama thats following her

>>1302906
her eop fanbase are all gossiping housewives. That pole who used to run that dox channel was even a cocofag.

>>1301432
weak.

>>1301432

>>1301432
>>1302328
Her first collab is going to be with Delta isn't it. She is going to have a shitpost review and they are going to laugh about those awkward memes and not Coco will say something like "Well we all made it right?"

Her tongue piercing is still living rent-free in my head bros...

>>1302326
>kson thread
>doesn't even follow her twitter
okay retard

tfw I like kson more than her holo character. Feels closer to the bone. I think she's gonna be fine. Member only streams are gonna be lit

>>1304476
What website dumbass. Just give me a name otherwise you're pulling shit out of your ass

>>1301937
>not using your free time to grab some random indie and groom the fuck out of her until you end up knowing more about her than herself
I guess the Authentic /vyt/ Experience™ is too much for some to handle.

>>1304540
I literally told you where you can find the information. It's literally on kson's twitter header. Go follow now

>>1304540
this has to be bait... no ones this retarded

>>1304540
im gonna be nice anon its pornhub(dot)com

>>1304755
speaking of porn hub, does anyone have an archive of the SuperKinky stream that got banned?

>schedules a "special stream"
>kanata cancels her entire week after the tweet goes out
>Watame, Pekora, Miko, Sora all cancel streams that would have overlapped the time slot
>everyone in hololive is in a shitty mood all week
>/vt/ burning.png
>the stream finally comes
>She sounds exhaused
>"I've thought about it a lot..."
>"I just don't see a future for myself in hololive"
>she's completely serious
>stream almost crashes from superchats pleading with her to stay
>she starts to cry, but settles down quickly
>"I need to say a few things before I leave"
>proceeds to ream management for fucking her so hard
>Pivots to china
>unloads years of hatred
>screaming "disgusting chinese deserve nothing but pain and fire!"
>doxxes herself and tells them to "come try to fuck with me!"
>stream gets cut early by management
>straight to black
>everything Coco related is nuked within the hour
>people go fucking insane
>highly intelligent rrats starting to stand upright and take on a life of their own
>irl threats of violence becoming more and more common
>Japanese police on high alert due to continued threats
>japanese NEETs organizing themselves in weird and dangerous ways
>a chinese citizen is beaten to death in the stairwell of Holohouse apartment building
>found to be in possession of unknown nerve agent
>the hikki's responsible go on trial for murder
>they become cult heroes
>flashpoint.png
>china threatening to retaliate over the attack
>chubbas dropping like flies for expressing any opinion
>the only EN left is kiara
>gura permanently suspended for saying 'chinks' and Cali suspended for laughing at it
>countless tearful resignations as every chat becomes a proxy war
>you open your computer and dig into your archive
>so relaxed you fall asleep
>wake up to "gooood morning motherfuckers!"
>for one beautiful second, things go back to normal

>>1305758
>highly intelligent rrats starting to stand upright and take their own life
>take their own life

Alternate good ending
>coco doxxes herself
>everyone finds papa dragon
>he now has an army behind him when he shitposts on twitter

>>1304476
Bad side is that she's using her vtuber model less and less though I haven't been following her streams in the jap site during the chinkening so I can't say if she's transitioning to full 3DPD or if she'll go back to 2D every now and then.

Real talk for a second;

The Holo girls obviously have huge followings for themselves, and not Cover/Hololive itself. Meaning if any of them left to stream solo, they would likely bring a good percentage of their money and support with them (the clincher, though, is their characters wouldn't survive).

With the obvious success and workability of the VShojo model, where you don't actually need a big company and lots of in-house managers and office people and can cut your staff down to minimal content producers and business managers, and then keep the majority of your stream revenue for the performer, AND with the obvious tightening of Cover/Hololive's grip on their content and how it's clearly affecting the on-screen performers and what they want to do as characters/streamers...

Is it likely that there could ever be a mass exodus from Cover to form their own independent company?

>>1306387
Yes. There's a reason why companies are terrified of workers unionizing. Workers hold all the power if they collectively demand shit. Moreso if they have irreplaceable talent. Rehiring an entire section of a company is extremely difficult, even if they're all mcdonalds wagies.

>>1306387
A small independent company with Coco at the center is an albatross around everyone's neck and everyone knows it. She picked a fight she will never win in the long run, the antis will find her different personas because her voice is too distinct and she is terrible at changing it. For the good of everyone she should stick to Hololive or retire.

>>1304361
I wish it were living rent free on my head if you know what I mean

>>1306582
Except having tons of antis literally makes sales go up. Coco is hololive's #1 superchatted primarily because of china. Why do you think all marketing and political movements revolve around making people angry? Anger is one of the strongest emotions.

>>1301432
Good let her be free, she'll take the chink menace with her. She hasn't produced anything of worth since Asacoco 1.0 and has been coasting off it for months. Coco's been so lazy, she's content
to milk every last drop from reddit meme reviews when she should have let it die months ago. From her mildom numbers, seems like her hardcore fanbase is around 2k viewers so she'll be fine.

>>1306582
Why tho? Unless they go as far as actually doing criminal shit, the idea that an "anti" is anything better than a subhuman waste of space is fucking hilarious to me. Like, who the absolute fuck gives a shit what those people think? Let Chinese faggots be mad forever, no one cares.

But the truth is, if even 2/3 of each of the girls' fanbase followed them to a new character where they owned the rights AND got the majority cut of their subs/SCs/merch., then they would all be making more than they are now and they would be able to experiment more, do more content, collab with eachother more, and with decent management/business backing they could even negotiate for their own 3D equipment (which I'm pretty sure Coco already owns anyway considering it looks like she and Kanata have been making 3D videos from their house for months now).

My point is that if Cover keeps squeezing them and keeps backing down from their original promise of letting their talent do what they want to and create what they want, then it's only a benefit for everyone involved.

The only major stumbling block to the whole independent thing that I see is if some of the girls are completely married to the whole Idol image/dream and believe that Cover allowing them do do concerts and feel like actual idols is worth more than their own independence. But to be honest, I couldn't even begin to say which of the current roster just plays along for the meme, and which ones place Idol above Streamer as their goal.

>week later starts talking about Cover's inside decisions and rule changes
She hasn't said anything

>>1306387
How long does it take to create a new persona? How much does it cost to draw it and and properly rig it for live2d? A 3d model?
The girls all seem to own all the hardware needed to live stream from home so thats a non-issue.
What if there is another fiasco where X company wont allow them to stream a game and they have to purge their library of videos?
What if you get another Haato X Haachama situation and the new company ends up doing the same exact thing as Cover so they dont get booted off of youtube? Then why not stay with cover in the first place?

What if you took your meds?

>>1306828
>they would all be making more than they are now
>with decent management/business backing
where exactly do you think the money to pay for a management team comes from?

>>1306387
That's literally how socialism works. Once everyone realize this, capitalism will fall.

>>1307216
you couldn't be more chinese if you tried

>>1306939
>How long does it take to create a new persona? How much does it cost to draw it and and properly rig it for live2d? A 3d model?
Depends how much money you have and how functional you need it to be. I mean, the scale ranges from just a flat, static image to something all rigged to every possible degree with all kinds of moving parts and variations and stuff. But it's pretty quick on the lower end. 3D models are actually pretty easy, considering way more of a talent pool is out there to draw from.

>The girls all seem to own all the hardware needed to live stream from home so thats a non-issue.
It's just an iPhone X, that's all you need to do their VSeeFace or whatever it is that they use for their 2.5D or Live2D capture. You don't need any special tracking rig or setup for basic face and hand capture. Look at Snuffy right now, she's doing way more with her 3D and just using an iPhone. I believe when they do in-studio stuff, they use tracking cameras and tracking bands, which is why they have a set studio space, but that's not the only way to do 3D spatial tracking. There are ways to do it without pre-set tracking cameras. That's where things get pricy.

>What if there is another fiasco where X company wont allow them to stream a game and they have to purge their library of videos?
Well that's what a competent manager would do, is they would be ahead of the talent's content and get pre-approvals and such beforehand. The reason the thing about copyright hit Cover so hard was because they didn't do any of that before and so they had to panic when they were claimed, and protect all of their content or risk it all burning down. If they had gone around and gotten approvals beforehand, that wouldn't have happened.

>What if you get another Haato X Haachama situation and the new company ends up doing the same exact thing as Cover so they dont get booted off of youtube?
I don't see how Haato doing extremely tame pseudo-horror videos is even remotely objectionable or dangerous on a platform that literally hosts serial killer documentaries with footage, horror video games, and horror movies. Cover is scared of it because Cover wants to protect their characters from the performers. They're finally realizing that if left with complete freedom, their girls will inevitably make the characters Cover owns into something that is very much NOT marketable as "idol" content, or useful for brand sponsors.

>>1307146
>where exactly do you think the money to pay for a management team comes from?
Obviously they have to pay their managers, but my point is that you don't need the fucking overhead of Cover Corporation, a big-ass company with dozens of employees, suits, managers, and middlemen all working to use the characters as mascots to make money.

Again, you can easily have a VShojo situation where everything about the business end is decentralized, remote, and handled by a very small team of people so that the performers can keep more of their money and thus continue to enjoy doing their job, and thus keep fans engaged.

>>1306387
You snowflakes have been wishcasting this since the summer.

>>1306828
>they could even negotiate for their own 3D equipment
It's just off the shelf VR products. The whole setup is around $1000 (not counting the iphone they would have anyways for 2D) if you buy everything brand new and you are not sharing a play space with anyone else. The only custom thing is the Hololive software which they would need to replace with something else.

>>1301432
What is her alt channel called?

>>1302732
Don't forget taxes.

>Real talk for a second;

>The Holo girls obviously have huge followings for themselves, and not Cover/Hololive itself. Meaning if any of them left to stream solo, they would likely bring a good percentage of their money and support with them (the clincher, though, is their characters wouldn't survive).

>With the obvious success and workability of the VShojo model, where you don't actually need a big company and lots of in-house managers and office people and can cut your staff down to minimal content producers and business managers, and then keep the majority of your stream revenue for the performer, AND with the obvious tightening of Cover/Hololive's grip on their content and how it's clearly affecting the on-screen performers and what they want to do as characters/streamers...

>Is it likely that there could ever be a mass exodus from Cover to form their own independent company?

>>1307549
kson on air.

WARNING she does show her IRL face sometimes so don't look if you don't wanna break the illusion.

She does also have a virtual model. The southern american english classes are fun

>>1307146
They don't need a management team. What would even be the point of hiring one? So that they can be denied from doing collabs with each other?

>>1307549
>>1307589
>so don't look if you don't wanna break the illusion

Or do if you want to discover she's kinda hot.
Dat Tifa cosplay.

>>1301432
So is every stream on her alt channel going to be member only?

>>1307583
>they would likely bring a good percentage of their money and support with them
only if they all reincarnate together- the regular interactions among the holos is huge amount of value that gets lost if they go independent from each other

>>1306825
>She hasn't produced anything of worth
right. cause the other holos are chalked filled with original content amirite? Stop being stupid mouthbreathing retard anytime.

>>1307675
I think only the chat will be members only

>>1307662
>kinda hot
your yellow fever is showing

>>1307629
Legal and accounting?

>>1307629
When you're in a streaming organization, it's usually a good idea to have someone(s) who have the connections and the know-how to make business deals, secure sponsorships, and handle things like major purchases, branding management, etc. It makes it easier on the on-screen talent because while they can do that stuff themselves, why would you want them to?

>>1307761
Well that's fine, I don't bother with chat anyway. I'll probably end up getting a membership eventually just to support her.

>>1307662
>>1307763

>>1307689
You're quoting the wrong post.

>>1307763
You're goddamn right it is.

>>1304606
teach me your ways groom sama

>>1301432
>butthurt at the mention of Taiwan
>yet watches YouTube, the website that acknowledges Taiwan.
What the fuck caused this mental illness? Bat soup?

>>1307771
Plenty of youtube channels handle this themselves or just go and consult with a lawyer once something actually comes up.
>>1307803
I don't think they would need a whole team to do this. Plenty of youtubers handle this stuff by themselves. After going indie they don't necessarily have to all share the same branding or whatever.

>>1307662

>>1308135
>Plenty of youtubers handle this stuff by themselves.
As someone who has managed a stream channel that did business with companies, sponsorships, organized charity events, and coordinated across multiple content platforms I can safely tell you no, plenty of Youtubers do NOT handle this stuff by themselves. Every even-slightly-sizeable regular content creator who streams or puts out videos consistently either does so with the help of paid editors and channel managers, or they have someone managing their community and/or social media so they can focus solely on content production. And business networking and negotiating takes fuckloads of emailing, follow-ups, paperwork, etc. that no one I've ever met manages a full time stream schedule AND can do their own cross-platform edited uploads AND can manage their own social media and community AND can do their own business legwork.

Let me put it this way; I used to run a full-time stream channel. One of the shows I did was a weekly talk show where I would have a new guest on every week. If you knew the absolute mountain of work it was every month to get guests booked and keep them there, there's not enough time in the day to do it and keep sponsorship money coming in and the content at top notch as one person. I managed for almost two years only because I barely slept at all. No Vtuber is going to do that shit themselves.

>>1307728
hit a nerve?

>>1306647
>Coco is hololive's #1 superchatted primarily because of china.
Yes her success are all thanks to dicklet chinks. At least come up with a better lie, she was already the number 1 super chatter before you faggot got ass blasted over one word. You faggot has no positive impact on her growth at all, you are slowing it down.

>>1308044
The eternal chink. As a reminder, these are the same assholes who claim that all of the ancient achievements that occurred outside of china are made up. Fuck them
Source: https://taiwanenglishnews.com/chinese-professor-there-were-no-ancient-western-civilizations-just-modern-fakes-made-to-demean-china/

>>1307662
On a side note, I hate how they nerfed Tifa's tits in the remake so hard.

>>1308363

True

I understand you

>>1308405
I want to believe this is a joke if only because it's from a taiwanese site with reasons to hate the mainland bugs.

>>1308458
I don't think it's that huge of a nerf. It's not like they took away her sex appeal like what they did with the Snake ass nerf in Smash.

>>1308687
If only it were anon. Just to give you a better understanding, when monks went over to china to teach them about astronomy and mathematics, the chinks once again said that they had invented it thousands of years ago, and that the Europeans had only copied them.

>>1307556
She's doing the furusato tax meme though. So even if she has to pay a stupid amount of taxes, she's receiving regional products as compensation, like tenderloin and a fuckton of toilet paper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hometown_tax

>>1304540
It's mildom

>>1307728
Yes, it's dull even compared to that. Outside of the Asacoco hype and reddit reviews you have a pretty standard streamer who just happened to attract all of the people with money

>>1301432
Cover is not a black company they said
FBK can be trusted they said
Cover actually cares about their employees they said

>>1309356
Once she exhausted all her ideas, she had little to fall back on in terms of content. Other girls in Hololive can make fun content by talking about nothing for hours on end. She can't and her voice is awful at that.

>>1309494
>She can't

she's a failure

Reminder that despite her being the queen of SCs, she only gets a fraction of the income, while the chunk goes to YT, Cover, and the Nip government.

>>1307662
Her Ada cosplay as well. Jesus Christ bros.

>>1309645
Yes she is, now your mission is done, time to get back behind your wall.

>>1309703
also did a cute glasses gag with RE4's ending

Smells like CHINKS in here. Anyone who's been watching hololive for more than a week knows Coco is an incredibly influential member and is loved by everyone inside hololive, created the EN branch and was cited as inspiration by several of the EN girls. Hope you commie dick-0sucking insects are ready to watch Coco for the next decade, 'casuse this bitch isn't going anywhere
>>1309701
>Brings in the most SCs of anyone on ALL OF YOUTUBE
>hurr durr but she doesn't get it all
That's the opposite of a problem

>>1309895
Created the EN branch lol. How fucking delusional can you people get? Who actually put Hololive on the map for an international audience in the first place and got Coco her job? Korone did, and you Cocofags keep trying to take more credit than you deserve which is pathetic.

>>1309895
>Smells like CHINKS in here
More like it smells like REDDITORS in here.
Imagine defending this talentless hack.
Only unironic whiteknights would do mental gymnastics for the sake of defending this sham.

>>1309985
>Who actually put Hololive on the map for an international audience in the first place
Lol, nigger what. Coco was literally the driving force, not some memes by Korone and Fubuki. Coco would have brought us to EN even without you retarded EoPs watching scatman and Doog clips

>>1309985
I wish we could go back to those beautiful times when no EOP niggers were watching chubas

>>1310065
Running out of ammo there, zhang, you didn't even say anything in this post, just empty insults that anyone can dismiss as jealousy of a much more successful and talented individual than yourself.

She should 100% go independent. She would be making so much more money alone and nearly all her fans would follow her.
It would be the most hilarious thing on earth is she told china to fuck off if she made a new debut and just plastered anti-CCP shit on screen every stream

>>1309895
It's more like they respect her like with Sora. Even Sora admired Coco and said Coco "carry" Hololive on her wings.

>>1310205
>talented

>>1310065
>>1310358
Aslong as she is more talented than your chinks ass then that is enough for me. Her asacoco were fun, especially the commercial, better than anything you faggot can come up with and that count as talent imo. Now seethe some more with a nice dose of TAIWAN.

>>1310221
Spam's not worth the trouble especially since she's singled out by autists. Pewdiepie did a Chinabad video (the main topic is chinabad) and the only thing that happened was him getting blocked out of the chinese firewall search.

if you dont like a vtuber why not just stop watching her instead of telling other why they shouldnt watch her either

seems like a waste of time of effort for something pointless

>>1310699
Same reason Kiara antis seethe and falseflag and then claim that "her annoying voice made me do so". Hate autism is a hell of a drug.

>>1302218
Cover's biggest benefit is exposure to quickly push past the potential years worth of having no subs and having to grind content to get the algorithm interested in you AND you still risk it just going "nah fuck you" and leaving you in oblivion. The next biggest is that they help arrange events that bring in large amounts of superchats.
Anyone is well known enough to skip that stage and build up a decently sized following quickly is better off as an independent.

>>1310699
Stop making sense in 4channel.

>>1310699
You are talking to a bunch of mental retards that are assblasted over one word for over 6 months, you actually think they have the brain to realize something like that.

>>1310699
Hey anon did you know that chinks don't operate on logic?

>>1310066
This is true. Korone, and to an extent Mikopi, are the ones who attracted the EOP audience, with their broken ass English and cute noises, and for being westaboos. Coco however made them stay by pandering to English internet humor like leddit meme review.

TAIWAN #1

>>1310745
i think you're not giving enough value to being a part of a group of vtubers
there's so much content that gets created by all the interactions among the group members that slows to a trickle if you're an independent
not specifically cover, but solo vs part of a group makes a huge difference

>>1311101
Nah, Coco's an unironic leech who bandwaggoned on Miko's and Doog's successes by reiterating mainstream mindless western memes to appeal to the drones at Burgerstan and SEAdom.

>>1311196
Back to /int/ Zhang

>implying China is remotely in the wrong.
As expected of the Western Devils and it's mindless satellite state drones.
War on Terror 9/11 Larry Silverstein Mikhail Gorbachev The Westington House Scandal Latin American Puppet Dictators Operation Condor Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein CIA Agents The Clinton Chronicles Waco Siege Kinder Egg Surprise The Clinton Blowjob Scandal Nixon Watergate Scandal The Fake Tibetan Protest of 2008 Staged Coup of Colombia Kandahar massacre War on Terror Patriot Act PRISM Edward Snowden The Guantanamo Bay Illegal Occupation CIA black sites Human Rights NSA mass surveillance Warrantless Wiretapping 4th Amendment violations Julian Assange whistle-blower manhunt Ecuadorian embassy refuge Corporate interests worker's rights healthcare rights free education Police militarization incarceration rate fake weapons of mass destruction Petrodollar warfare Israel "special" relationship ban on boycott Free Palestine USS Liberty attack by IDF Mossad cover up false anti-semitism accusations depleted uranium mutinions war crime ignoring the Geneva Convention Agent Orange My Lai Massacre Contras 1973 Chile coup CIA backing puppet dictators Illegal Occupation 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état United Fruit Company Cuban Missile Crisis and the Turkish Missile Crisis Bay of Pigs Iran Contra Operation Northwoods Area51 Saudi lobby American Cover-Up of Trials of Unit 731 Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse MKUltra Tuskegee syphilis experiment Suspension of Habeas Corpus Sedition Acts civil rights Martin Luther King murder Cointelpro Bombing of Libya Bombing of Yemen Bombing of Syria Intervention in Yugoslavia Choctaw Trail of Tears Andrew Jackson illegal Overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii the Illegal Colonialism of American Samoa Guam and other Pacific Islands the Economic Embargo on Mexico haole invasion the rape of Okinawa Jarhead rapists migrant caravan ICE children in cages Russian puppet president Kinder surprise
Now stop being hypocrites.

>>1311330
None of these things are actually illegal to talk about in America. In fact there's just multiple YouTube videos on pretty much all of them.

>>1311330
>miko said nigga
>no one in the US care
Why? Because even black people has a brain and can understand the context behind it.
>coco read YouTube analytic and mention some of her viewers are from Taiwan
>chinks got assblasted for over 6 months
US might be fuck up but it is still better than china as of right now. Both countries suck but you guys going ham on something so retarded make you guy the worse automatically.

>>1311330
oh no me the western drone has been banned from the internet for going against my capitalist overlords, ahhhhhh the fbi is here oh no njonoino, no pleeeeeeease doont' makekeake me black PLEASE I BEG YOU AHAHAHAHAHH THE MELANIN

>>1311330
How exactly is harassing a person for reading a word from a list (that they didn't even make) in the right? It just makes you look like thin-skinned, hysterical weaklings. Now every shitposter in the western world knows that all they have to do to trigger chinamen is to refer to the mainland as West Taiwan.

>>1307583
Cover does a lot to justify their cut. Obviously the marketing and technical support aspects are huge. A lot of people joining lack the expertise to get started effectively on their own and getting to debut to 100k subs is huge too, most independents don't get access to that after years. Also access to managers to help handle menial tasks like scheduling and licensing which an independent has to do themselves.

There is also a JP business culture thing to express loyalty to your organization, an established Holo who leaves only so they can go independent so they can keep a bigger cut would leave a bad taste for many JP fans who would feel the talent betrayed the organization for more money and they may not be able to get the same growth and total earnings will still drop.

>Another Art*a discordnigger raid
God I wish you were all dead.

>>1306387
>vshitshow
>successful
meds.

>>1311330
>China
You mean West Taiwan?

>>1311859
Cope, westerndrone.
She's a vtuber, so she's 120% relevant and on-topic.

>>1311918
>Relevant
>Twitch streams get less viewers than Coco's free chat room
Lol.

>>1308387
That's a better lie than the one about her insulting China.

You know, ever since you made this thread, the /tia/ thread hasn't been bumped except to talk about Echo.

>>1311859
It's all so tiresome. I feel bad for the low IP threads getting bumped off by all these samefag coco hate threads. Why can't they just hate in one thread?

>>1311918
>westerndrone
Nigga, people here can shit on any countries they want just fine but can you do the same with China? Answer is no and you are calling people drone?

>>1308387
Yeah, but her fanbase would never have become so devoted if it hadn't been for the citizens of west taiwan.

>>1312018
How else are they gonna pretend that everyone hates her?

>>1312018
>implying
Orange women are BAD
This is simply a fact of life.

>>1311918
The irony in this post can be magnetized or be forged into steel.

>>1312001
You're a smart anonchama. I never would have though to check her thread.

>>1312110
>they were giving her enough moneys to make her the number 1 super chatter in the world
>not devoted
Ok enough, we got it, dicklet chinks make the world goes around. Who beat Japan in WW 2? The chinks, America did shit, they came in after the chinks annihilated majority of the japs right?

>>1312557
>chinks annihilated majority of the japs right?
Technically? Yes.
It's still ongoing right now.

>>1305758
I've daydreamed about something similar to this, except instead of Coco ranting about the Chinese, Moona holds a "special announcement" stream and proceeds to explode at how much she hates Pekora. She condemns the fans for pushing her into a corner with the whole "Hey Moona" thing, laments her legacy and reveals she only hung out with Pekora for the views and subscriber boost. She then proceeds to announce her retirement because she's pregnant with her husband's child, and abruptly ends the stream.
Afterwards Pekora is left shell-shocked, totally numb and in disbelief. She starts streaming and she's crying silently, clearly intoxicated. Fans are pleading for her to stop so she can process this privately, but she refuses to listen. It's like Pekora's just given up.
Kiara then calls in and gives her an emotional speech, telling her not to give up and that she still has people who love her.
Pekora eventually comes to her senses and thanks Kiara. They become closer than ever. The end.

>>1310096
So never? Even on early 2017 Ai-chan was fairly popular with EOPs.

>>1313703
you may be interacting too much with ""the community"" if this much negative shit is in your dreams. My vtuber dreams are all nice and interactive.

>>1312839
Yeah totally and the first person to land on the moon was Chinese.

>>1311330

Nobody cares about that shit except the political class and only as much as they can get a leg up on each other. You'd have to go into white countries and start telling the truth about jews to get something even comparable. Since this thread reeks of rice, ginseng and penis growth powder here's a thread theme to fit the occasion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJKOQ2fdfzM

Coco was always talking about how Cover works you colossal newfaggot.

>>1314208
Armstrong has 5% Mongolian genes, and Mongolian's are honorary Chinese, so...

>>1315312
Totally and so was Marco Polo because he set foot into China.

I want the Chang schizos to leave

To think this is all still connected to the fact that she mentioned Taiwan. Just a mention, nothing more.
I can't think of a single place on this planet that causes more absolute asspain than that tiny little country. Unfathomably based.

>>1318102
>I can't think of a single place on this planet that causes more absolute asspain
Ahem.
Falkland Isles.

>>1312214
your yellow bear is worse

>>1313703
Yeah. Thats fucking weird. Pekora barely gives a shit about Kiara lol. More realistically, I could see Marine or maybe Miko being the one to talk her off a ledge. Pekora herself said that Miko could possibly be the only person she would introduce to her mom. Thats how much she means to her. She also said that Marine calls her offline sometimes to check in on her.

>>1314027
Good for you. Mine are just blurry repeats of Minecraft streams.

>>1309895
Zhang this Zhang that, take your meds

>>1312110
She had that #1 SC spot long before the Chinkening, and the analytics indicated that China had basically no impact worth mentioning when it came to her earnings.

The only thing Chinese bitching and moaning about Coco showing the analytics ever accomplished was to ultimately get HoloCN terminated. But that's pretty typical; China was never particularly good at anything except hurting Chinese people.

Hey chinks, since we know you are observing these multiple threads let me ask you one thing. Why is it taking SO long to graduate Coco and destroy Cover once and for all? 5 months and counting holy shit. It's NOT normal being this kind of weak, if you compare it when antis attacked Aloe Mano who literally kicked her ass in just a few days. You little yellow micro dick niggers are an embarrassment for the meaning of the word ANTI, oh wait, you are called CNAndy because the best you can do is hijack into Among Us and say SHAME ON YOU as if it was the most offensive thing in the world. LMAO.

Pathetic.

>>1313703
Same, except when Kiara calls in Pekora cuts her off and tells her to shut the fuck up

I wonder if part of the reason that chinks were so mad about Coco, and more at her than at Haachama, was because her persona is a dragon, and the idea that the vtuber who is their national animal/symbol is 'against' them made then irrationally angry.

>>1319735
It's because she is half american american and also becausd she didn't bow to their micro penis like Haachama did.

>>1318153
Its not even on the same scale anon. I've never heard of anything even comparable to the constant hissy fits the Chinese have over Taiwan existing. Feck, I've even met an argie who was willing to joke about the falklands.

>>1311330
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>>1318403
Its not Schizophrenia if the thread is actually filled with Zhangs anon

>>1318102
Taiwan is actually kind of kickass. CEOs of both Nvidia and AMD come from Tainan. There's rumours that they're cousins because of it lol.

>>1319901
>schizo on 4chan means schizophrenia
Dummy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder

>>1301432
look, at most I see that as her getting leverage for her yearly renewal by showing that she can manage without Hololive but that Hololive need her for her massive revenue, probably to cut a deal where she get a larger cut of the SC again.

>>1311330
No one in the West gets banned or arrested for mentioning that shit. It’s even encouraged in some circles.

>>1311330
NO FUCK MY INT-

>>1301432
Which rules changed?

>>1311330
>Kinder surprise
holy shit run lads, delete all your data and microwave your hard disk, FBI is on the way!

>>1328242
no more fun allowed

>>1302275
Is that why she was there? Is she going to be back on youtube exclusively now?
Also this thread is pretty much entirely off-topic for this board. Not that I care.

I just finished watching her alt channel stream and I really hope she does another stream of just sitting on the floor in front of her camera and talking about stuff like her thicc jacket.

>>1301592
>>1301432
>week later starts talking about Cover's inside decisions and rule changes
Wasnt that what everyone expected in the long run? The successful ones will bounce out and star their own channels without holo. Not sure if holo owns the rights to the designs though.

>>1301432
It's the end Holobros

>>1306387
>Real talk
fake and gay
why are you guys jacking off to the fantasy of them leaving en masse?

>>1309645
You clearly don't watch her Bar Coco streams.
That stream pulls a lot of SCs. Besides that, really fun talking stream actually.

>>1341618
all me baby

>>1308405
This is completely true. I once took a Chinese history course taught by an an actual Chinese national, and they literally claimed that Chinese civilization dates back to before mankind even evolved and that pretty much every invention ever was invented in/by China.

>>1301905
I hate her shitty psique, as in, actual personality but hoo boy I love her irl 'personality', Jesus, those legs, caramba!

>>1309985
either a bugman, or a nigger tier newfag, go watch asacoco, from the beginning.

>>1341618
Because I like them, not cover, and if they leave en masse, that probably means they will be partners in their own company instead of employees. Remember that Coco was initially not applying as a talent, but as an ops girl. They can, and hopefully will, run their own company. I love pirate shit like that. I fucked over my boss in the past too, and I've never regretted it. Feels good.

>>1311330
chink, you have no power here.

Also Taiwan is a completely separate and independent country from China, with its own unique history and culture.

>>1311330
Is this supposed to be offensive?

>>1342500
>Also Taiwan is a completely separate and independent country from China, with its own unique history and culture.
Bullshit. Taiwan is the Republic of China and the rightful government of the entire country.

>>1342601
And Mongolia.

Why the fuck did you fags need to bump this thread just when she starts streaming?

>>1302640
>her oshi
Nani?

>>1343301

>>1339633
Cover was nice with the CN girls when they let them go and let them have their designs and assets. I seriously doubt they will do the same for any of the JP girls except for maybe Suisei because she was an existing indie who came in with her own vtuber persona.

Does anyone know if cover/japan makes their employees sign non-competes? and how many of these girls were stupid enough to actually sign off on them?

>>1344325
>Cover was nice with the CN girls when they let them go and let them have their designs and assets.
Objectively false, The CN girls themselves said there was discussion about letting them keep the characters but that was only on the HoloCN side, it was never going to be possible due to copyright problems.

As for non-compete clauses it will always depend on the individual contract. In the entertainment industry, it is pretty much the normal the world over to have them but since Coco maintains her personal account, it seems she must have an exception.

>>1315312
Mongolians aren't Chinese, they're mongolian. The same way the people of Uyghur aren't Chinese and how Taiwan is an independent country.

>>1342601
That's what the chinks want, cause that still holds to the ideal of '1 china'.

They are not part of China, they are different, they are separate countries and will remain separate, and they are independent.

>>1306825
Maybe even Haachama can come back. I retract all my words about CocoHaacha being a good T-T. Fuck everything.

>>1344325
Last I heard, CN traitors were not allowed to keep the design or assets. Are they still using them on billi?

>>1301775
i believe it

>>1318102
Palastine

>>1318102
israel
china
america

>>1307589
Eh, she's gorgeous though, perfect example of a biblical bleached tombstone, perfect, clean outside... Rotten inside. Point is, you ain't losing that much illusion since she's a 10/10 piece of ass much like her avatar.

>>1345478
I can't pin on what specifically im attracted to in her face, i just know im attracted to it.

>>1346297
Her face is rather fucking sexy-cute, those legs and body, yuuuuuuuuuuuum. Would fuck for like, a week or so until my fucking dick comes off, then toss her away on the trash, assuming I don't die before, most likely I would.

>>1345478
She blows kiara out of the water. Its no wonder Kiara avoids her.

>>1301830
Allegedly Cover doesn't take a percentage of memberships as it's considered more of a fan thing. I have no idea if there's proof of that though.

>>1310745
They also act as an agent/account manager for advertising deals and that's where the real money is. Streamers usually make more in sponsored streams or by hosting events (like the Crunchyroll Anime Awards) than they do with subs/donations. Usually it's a few thousands dollars per 100k views for just product placement, and of course more for hour-long streams. That's more than what they make in donations, considering Youtube's cut.
Sure you could handle all of that yourself, but being part of Hololive brings you prestige and connections for better deals.
The money coming from individuals through superchats and memberships will never be able to compete with the huge budget of a video-game/media company marketing department.

>>1306387
The only issue I see if a Holo goes indie at some point is that there is only a percentage of their following that know what their roomate account is.

For instance, let's take the holo with the biggest roomate following based on Twitter followers. Noel, who has 587K followers whilst her roomate has 180K. That's a decent chunk of their audience out of the loop if they decide to switch over to their alt. Bear in mind that other Holos, even with larger followings, don't have as good a ratio on their alts.

This is obviously taking into account that Cover won't let the holos advertise their alt accounts, which would be the natural course.

>>1347041
This, SC money is a pittance compared a lucrative sponsor. Friend hardly gets SC but she lives very comfortably judging from what she has mentioned of her lifestyle due to her other income streams.

>>1309419
>FBK can be trusted they said
>Trusting a gacha fiend

man imagine if china kept to themselves and practically became a north korea 2, with the whole world stopping relying on their slave labor and we all pretend it doesn't exist, what an absolutely amazing paradise that would be

>>1306939
>How much does it cost to draw it and and properly rig it for live2d
I don't know if that's rhetorical but I was watching an art streamer who does vtuber commissions and she charges 4k USD per character

>>1309494
>and her voice is awful at that.
She sounds like if Mickey Mouse was a vtuber, but evidently people are into that given how much she rakes in with superchats

>>1301937
I love you shit on hololive but then you mention nijicuck

>>1348835
Prices of everything go x2. Electronics x3.

Have fun.

>>1349538
>poor normies are gatekept from the internet
holy based

>>1302199
It is a thing anon, it has been a thing for months. It's so much a thing that even Grandpa's will know what you mean.

>>1301432
If you chinks want to use Coco for your dumb rrats, at least stop harassing her first.

>>1349538
If that happened there would be a world war.

>>1301432
CHINK DETECTED

https://www.mildom.com/10882672
She streaming.

>>1350416
This..What the hell.

I lost my will to rape her when she doesn't have her fat butt plug.
She just doesn't look like a provoking bitch anymore.

>>1350600
she's genuinely a really entertaining streamer, i hope you get to properly enjoy her roommate stuff, they're really chill and she just says whatever she wants even at EOP bros. Enjoy your stay.

>>1350416
she cute

>>1350416
Why does she stream on this site?

>>1350765
You should see her Tifa cosplay.

>>1350839
it's a huge pain to make an account just for being able to write in the chat with the level system mildom has.

>>1350856
yes, I should

>>1350725
>Can't even do the puzzle
She is such a low IQ meme dragon.

I wish she would just give up and get pregnant.

>>1307403
You're one of the few mentally stable and based anons on this board

>>1350416
I'M GOING TO FEED YOU PINEAPPLE PIZZA EVERY DAY YOU DUMB BITCH

TAKE THIS

>>1342500

>>1351002
the other day she played a steam game thats basically a 1000pcs puzzle building simulator, thankfully it's coop and everyone got to help her out, it was a chaos but an absolute best time haha

>>1350933
How does levelling on there even work?

>>1351282
you can get points just from watching her stream, it takes a while tho, like maybe 3 or 4 more streams

>>1350856
I really want to see that bayonetta cosplay she mentioned.

>>1350946
Under the same name on youtube.

ok someone start helping her please

>>1350416
Bros... is it true Coco only has 2 brain cells?

Maybe we should just turn her into a human cattle and have her be a birthing machine.

tummy

>>1305758
>>doxxes herself and tells them to "come try to fuck with me!"
>Coco becomes Japanese Drachenlord
>Drachenlord
holy shit

>>1307403
>I believe when they do in-studio stuff, they use tracking cameras and tracking bands, which is why they have a set studio space
The most difficult thing to do is face tracking on a moving plane like this. But VR for this purpose is almost here.
https://youtu.be/Wjun1PahYxw
Combine this with vive trackers and lighthouses and you've got whatever that studio space can do but at home and I'd estimate this set up would cost less than 2-3 grand. Plus, even if DecaGear falls flat, Oculus is actually experimenting on this too, the Quest 3 will likely have these features.

>>1306939
>How long does it take to create a new persona? How much does it cost to draw it and and properly rig it for live2d? A 3d model?
Well, there's some software on Steam, I believe both free and not free, but I assume you'd use some of it only if your standards are low. I personally can't vouch about its quality or lack thereof.

>>1311330
The inherent logistical and moral inferiority of CCP occupied China is what makes this ineffective.
This has no effect because your country is weak.

>>1311330
>whataboutism
>boring anti-American copy of an anti-Chinese meme
Get out, chink.

>>1301432
https://streamable.com/b0t5ls

>>1359319
Based.

>>1302407
Yogori ;_;

>>1311330
Oh no my internet connection! How am I supposed to use a VPN to watch Baidu now?
This is worse than the time Amelia Watson mentioned Scotland.

>>1346969
That's what nijisanji does, people just assume cover does the same since it would be a dick move if they took from the membership too.

>>1309895
bruh just go back to your reddit memes.

>>1311434
yeah you just lose your job and get called a qtard or an anti-semite. Lets face it man all the world's super powers at this point is shit. Praise Assad.

>>1349538
>more jobs worldwide and incentivize higher level education as well as new trades in manufacturing
>suddenly due to more income and less outsourcing the supposed increase in price is insignificant or outright irrelevant
shut the fuck up chink. sweatshop economy is a crutch for the world.

>>1344867
No they are not. Artia spoke prematurely and ruined it for her branchmates.

>>1309419
>trusting fbk
dumbass

>>1365897
There is already more jobs in China and incentivize higher level education as well as new trades in manufacturing there.

>>1301432
Did she? Maybe Coco's decided she's just gonna ride out the contract.

>>1366039
>in china
>in mainland fucking china
see, this is where your point fails, enough out of you, esl. go install install some more nets around your skyscrapers, one of the new trades youre speaking of im sure. the world needs to learn to live without china and only corporations will suffer in the long run.

>>1349538
nah they just move to vietnam

>>1366160
Corporations control your country though, they are your rulers, you have to obey them.

>>1366209
> only corporations will suffer in the long run.
enough out of you esl

>>1366194
And then you're going to be upset at Vietnam and blame them for your failures.

>>1311330
Ok Zhange

>>1311330
OK Zhan-

>>1306387
It's unlikely. Cover has connections to sponsors. How many indies do you know who have >500k subs have sponsors and permissions the same way Holo, Niji, have?

>>1366227
Elite corporations' factories are moving to Africa, ahaha, it's time to lead you fools into a useless impotent rage at Africa.

>>1366295
>subs
Most of them are dead subs, so why does it matter?

>>1366338
They're all actually moving towards SEA, Japanese factories were so mad at the virus they all pulled out of China since the govt was willing to pay them to

>>1366367
Japanese corporations are dying and stagnating anyway. Africa is the final destination.

>>1366338
>defending faceless corporations that freely exploit your own people
this is your brain on china. real proud to be a mando arent you

>>1366338
No chinks

They move to SEAniggers.

Do your bussiness news reps?

>>1366354
Fine, upwards of 30k regular viewers then

>>1366425
I defend freedom of movement. They are moving out so soon you will have to find new things to be butthurt at.

>>1366428
Holy shit, THAT was a chink?
Makes too much sense, China has been "developing" Africa in numerous African countries, using their utilities as collateral

>>1366503
yeah freedom of moving your ass off the edge of a building into the pavement 40 stories below.

>>1366522
Well soon those people will have to find new jobs, so you no longer have to pretend you're worried about them.

>>1301432
Tbh, considering that she has an alternative Vtuber mascot that appeared multiple times in her streams but is not owned in any way by Cover corp would make it extremely easy for her to fuck the system, become independent and still be clearly recognized as ex-Hololive without opening her mouth about it.
Sooner or later we may or may not see the rise of Coco Kaine as indie Vtuber, heh.

>>1366551
a white guy putting on blackface is still white, chink. chink business practices employed to exploit booming populations will do nothing but produce more mando-like subhumans. leave it to a chink to have such a myopic perspective.

>>1352972
Imagine the holy pilgrims to coco's lair

>>1306387
Vshojo is one sjw cancel culture shitshow away from imploding
i mean they have nyanners the "i hate all my fans and deleted all my old loli voice videos and constantly post feminist stuff on my twitter but the MOMENT the S E C O N D vtubing and loli voices are profitable she instantly comes back no chill just heyyyyy guyyyys give me money ill do the woli voice uwu
Nyanners grift will be what ends up fucking VShojo in the end in some way or other

>>1366622
>business practices employed to exploit booming populations
And there is nothing you can do about it, except getting butthurt at whoever the corporations move to next.

That's your future, a long strong of rectum pain against random people.

>>1366669
CHINK business practices to exploit booming populations. don't pretend like you had any hand in this either, chink. as much as your handlers want you to believe, china is not one person and does not represent your interests.

>>1366652
You realize no one outside of 4chins care right? Nyanners is literally the top english vtuber outside of hololive right now.

>>1366688
Just saying, the corporations move to wherever they want next in 5 years.
They are the ones who shall dictate the direction of your rectum pain.

You are the doll attached to their strings. you can only obey and get upset at whoever they tell you to be upset at.

>>1311602
I will never understand the fascination that the japanese have with being happy little corporate bootlickers.

>>1366652
I think the reason why nobody is canceling Vtubers right now despite it being ripe for the picking, is because it's also a viable money maker for the cancel culture itself. They won't cancel something convenient for them.

>>1309419
Listen, FBK might be a good person, but I would never trust the economic foresight of a gacha addict.

>>1366749
dipshit, my original point was that the world needs to move away from the sweatshop economy, which just happens to be, by and large, represented by your 'people'. you mando bugs are just an easy target.
the propaganda, pollution and slant eyes just keep things like you from seeing it clearly. me shitting on you for being mainland chinese is just icing on the cake. go back to esl, by the way. either that or you're so upset your reps are failing you.

>>1366652
> Be a medium-sized content creator. Big enough to be noticed but not big enough to actualy do something from it.
> Realize that your old content may in fact let people fuck you over so delete it.
> Wanting to stay afloat you try to appease to this group of people.
> Be unhappy with it but still do it because going back to old way would be basically a suicide
> Find Melody and her squad that have a pretty middle ground content type and community that is not total shit. Befriend them, work with them, be happy because finally you make content that you want and have community that will not destroy your ass for it.

It's like she genuinely tried to find pllace for herself in this bs world, get lost between wrong people and needed help to balance things out huh? Don't get me wrong, the middle Nyanners was cringe and awful but i can see why she was like that and cannot hate her for it. Ultimately she found the perfect spot where she's now.

>>1366862
>the world needs to move away from the sweatshop economy
But they are. They will find a new sweatshop elsewhere, and redirect your impotent analpain in the direction.

Wait, did you think for a moment you have a say in where your rulers are allowed to move?

>>1366928
learn to exercise some reading comprehension and try replying again. it get it doesnt make your zhang hard without a word needing a thousand strokes of a calligraphy brush but at least try to read the language you're trolling in

>enter thread
>scroll down
Is this place really a /vt/ thread?

>>1367005
I'm arguing it's you who don't understand you have no power against your overlords.
They make the calls on where to move.
They make the calls on where to redirect your analdevastation build up.

>>1367100
im so shocked a chink doesn't understand what idealism is just kidding. its not required to have the means to make change to believe in it, chink. and it's your chink thorax that doesn't understand my point. i can't believe a fucking esl is trying to play semantics here, that is literally a misrepresentation of what i'm saying.

>>1367085
shit happens on 4chan all the time, sorry to disappoint.

>>1367085
4channel is just one of the front lines in the new cold war.

>>1367239
I'm just saying you're a retard who believe your corporations exist to serve you.

You can use ideals the part your self to sleep while you cry. But not much else.

>>1367298
when did i say that chink? you can't just redact and rewrite a thread on 4chan like your government could the tiananmen square protests. show me the post where i said that all corporations should bow down to the consumer.

>>1367358
I should leave your ideals alone I guess.
They might be worthless and out of touch with reality.
But they are your ideals after all, without them you can't pretend you're superior to others.

Ideals are so important to the fragile mind...

>>1367406
retard, youre the one who believes in a hierarchical superiority by unironically defending faceless corporations. nice try chink, maybe on your chink intranet you might have had a chance of coming out of this not looking like an absolute idiot but unfortunately we out here fag.

>>1367490
>youre the one who believes in a hierarchical superiority
Are your corporations not superior to you?
Do they not control how your peers think?
do they not control your governments?

>>1367532
what happened to leaving my ideals alone, zhang? you too riled up, now? i thought idealists were the ones with fragile minds.
sounds to me like you could use some of that chink higher level education you or some other dipshit zhang mentioned. couldn't be assed to tell you apart if you are 2 different posters though, considering you all look the same.

>>1366688
>don't pretend like you had any hand in this
>>1366862
>go back to esl, by the way
>>1367005
>it get it doesnt make your zhang hard without a word needing a thousand strokes of a calligraphy brush
>>1367239
>its not required to have the means to make change to believe in it
>>1367490
>unfortunately we out here fag
>this is the SEA that's accusing others of being ESLs

>>1367588
People won't leave your ideals alone Anon. they will just ridicule you if you are ridiculous.

Being out of touch with reality is generally considered a bad trait.

>>1367610
im canadian and by virtue of having english as my first language i couldnt give less of a shit if i make grammatical errors and typos on the internet. not to mention this fag, potentially yourself, is actually esl.
>>1367660
excusing the abuse and exploitation of third world populations and your own people is also generally considered a bad trait, but i guess +1 social credit for you.

>>1367715
>excusing the abuse
This falls under the umbrella of concern troll.

When two parties make a contract, there isn't much you can do as a 3rd party besides getting buttflustered.

>>1367715
>im canadian
I see, you should've mentioned that first. You're probably arguing with a 50center, but you're doing it for free like a true leafcuck.

>>1367762
no shit? isn't that literally what me and this other fag are doing right now? just saying you're a realist is literally the same as someone choosing wallowing in their own shit because we're all going to die at some point.
>>1367788
well sometimes you just wanna take the bait and shit on a real zhang even if you have to do it for free

>>1367860
I don't really care about labels in general, so I have never studied their definitions.
But there is probably more fun things you can do in life such as fapping to Coco's phat tail, rather than getting analpained at corporations you don't own.

>>1367946
who says fun is the be all and end all of everything? despite the fact that im speaking with a subhuman this is still entirely engaging in a way that's productive. people form opinions and never have them challenged and go on their entire lives with a comparatively infantile perception of whatever relates to that. this is why you get wishy washy fuckers that turn face the second someone with a somewhat informed review posts their shit on youtube.

>>1368071
I just get the feeling that you're suffering and getting upset at random people on the other side of the planet you've never met.
It's a sad existence, and I can only wish you more fun and happy coco fapping.

Or better yet, bump the fucking /tia/ thread like you have done for the past few days. Why not gush over your oshi in her damn thread with her gen-mates too?

>>1367860
>well sometimes you just wanna take the bait and shit on a real zhang even if you have to do it for free
Spectacular cope, I'm sure Xi is considering himself owned right now because you argued with a troll for the better part of 3 hours.

>>1368142
thanks! +1 social credit :)
>>1368184
ive wasted time doing worse. honestly surprised i never had to do a pic captcha until this post.

>>1368275
>ive wasted time doing worse.
Wait, is this something to brag about? that's just sad...

>>1368323
not much of a brag. im sure people infinitely more successful than me have wasted their time in worse ways that internet discourse.

Speaking of wasting time, I'm gonna flood the /tia/ thread with fat dragon lewds.

>>1368369
If the cope works then it works. Good enough for you I guess.

>>1368382
>>1368468
this is the fucking gayest part of why i like doing this but resolutions like this at the end of a shitflinging does put a smile on my face. the faggot synthesis.

>>1311330
>Area 51
AHHHH IM BEING BEAMED UP HELP ME!!!