/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Or, you know, whoever would have gotten in instead of Gura.

>>13041180
>>13041225

>>13040737

>>13041225
The "a" tweet and the personality mattered too much. I doubt there's anyone who could have done something on that level, or at least from the start.

>>13041180
Fucking lol, Holomyth would be as irrelevant as HoloID and NijiEN and /vt/ wouldn't even exist

>>13041180
makes you think, who were the Hololive rejects during the golden era of EN Vtubing. Is Myth the best they've got? Milky Queen auditioned and she easily beats half of myth in terms of qualifications.

>>13041410
Still seething Milky Queen?

>>13041410
Including mori lol

why is replying as a joke bad? Cuz she somehow cares less about fans? Or is it because OP was really close to calli but then got his heart broken when she sniffed around 3 cocks from trash taste?

>>13041180
If Gura hadn’t applied, HoloEN would be about as relevant as Cyberlive.

>>13041476
Yes. I hate rape calli during her breaks to ease her guilt for stealing my dream.

>>13041530
I wouldn't give a shit if they all gangbanged her and streamed it live. I just think this would be a funny and fucked up situation that a person who did this as a joke became the most popular and potentially a face of the gen.

...actually I would give a shit and probably watch every minute of it.

>>13041276
https://trackholo.live/

Gura's trajectory will never be matched by a vtuber in a very very long time.

>>13041276
>I doubt there's anyone who could have done something on that level
You realize all of Gura's sisters are basically the same personality too right?

I could EASILY see Chibi, or Ironmouse, or even Bae from Council being Gura. It's formulaic "Bratty + dimwitted boomer". Hell, Bao or Nemu could take it with some adjustments too.

>>13041180
Here's a nice dream for you /vt/. Nene hating wigger bitch never applied to Hololive and we now have someone feminine, funny, talented and very based chuuba for Gura to collab with.

>>13041180
I'd rather have somebody apply as a joke and not care so much than somebody who was a fan for a while like ollie. They become all wrong. Always second rate, always below people.

>>13041539
>This is what chumbuddies actually believe
Ina and Ame carried the content early game, with Kiara actually trying to bridge the JP and ID worlds.
Gura STILL lives on an island

>>13041530
Lets all be honest, it's because these fags trash talked Nene.

>>13041180
I mean, she already is for a lot of the indie community.

Her songs are getting covered by indies constantly, and people like Bae, Miori, the two NijiEN3's, Nina, et al are proof of it.

>>13041704
Rushia, Lamy, Miko were fangirls of the previous gen and they are doing extremely well.

I dont watch Hololive, all i hear in this shithole is Ouro Kronii and her boyfriend.

>>13041649
I don't think Ironmouse could ever be Gura, and I say that as a huge Ironmouse fan. Her vibe is just too different, and I don't think her voice/personality would match the shark avatar too well.

>>13041863
>her
Anon,

>>13041773
I hope they suck somehow. Something in my gut tells me they are evil.

>>13041649
A lot of the initial and further momentum were because she struck lightning with her debut week and got the 'memer' audience looking at her.

>>13041901
back to discord faggot

>>13041943
>faggot
Anon,

>>13041704
Fauna...

>>13041180
Wait, if Gura has a roommate in HoloEN then how come Ina gets shit for Nepotism hires? Why isn't that hate going to Gura as well?

>>13041276
gura is also a veiled vsinger thus passively gains new subs
>https://youtu.be/g0lQESej9zc
1.6m views by singing karaoke literally no one else could do it

>>13041530
>>13041704
Why are Mori antis so retarded?
she literally never said she applied as joke yet you keep parroting as a fact. Do you understand how retard it sounds to say that someone went through an application process and interviewee process as a joke?
>>13041704
>>13041773
And you keep trying push this "SHE HATES NENE!" rrat but your explanation is just that she worked with a guy who made a super click baity video featuring Nene in the thumbnail, but even the video he literally has nothing but praise for Nene and veers off and starts ranting about birth rates

>>13042013
holy kek

>>13041737

>>13042143
And even now, no one matches Gura's rate

>>13042115
Can you expand on this? The hating Nene thing? I've been trying to figure out why people think this, but I don't know all the details, and this is the biggest lead I've found.

>>13042236
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5ZHcqBumPc&t=43s
I didn't watch the video, maybe it has something to do with this or something they said on the pod cast

>>13042115
Mori antis are deadbeats trying to make Mori antis look bad

>>13041901
>>13041965

>>13042236
Theanimeman (one of the trashtaste guys) made a video when he puts Nene in the thumbnail, it's video about how she appeared in Japan's playboy magazine, he basically say he likes Nene and thinks she's a great person along with congratulating her and Cover for their success and exposure, but some fucking useless rant about declining birth rates because of 2D vs 3D women
This anon has implied that the video is actually somehow shitting on Nene, and that because both he and Mori appeared on the same podcast that they 100% share and have the same opinion and therefore Mori hates Nene
And very silly and retarded logic but here we are

>>13042115
5%

>>13041180
come to think of it, hasn't it been confirmed that Mori's manager, J-chad, is male?

I remember Connor mentioned J-chad was laughing at him when you could hear a distinctively male voice laughing in the latest podcast.

That in itself isn't surprising, we've known since Matsuri that some talents have a male manager unless they specifically request otherwise, but IIRC Calliope has specifically referred to J-chad as a she. Why lie to her fans like that?

>>13042515
something feels off. Maybe its that he takes it so seriously. Instead of praise it is negative.

>>13042515
That "useless rant" was very integral to the whole video, don't fuck around and lie. But it is silly to think that that means Calli hates Nene though. Calli doesn't care enough about Hololive to know who the fuck Nene is.

>>13042712
Same reason why she didnt mention her second appearance on that fagcast until it was about to go live

>>13042827
Well that and it was pre-recorded in August/October time so she didn't know when it was coming out

>>13042712
>I remember Connor mentioned J-chad was laughing at him when you could hear a distinctively male voice laughing in the latest podcast.
Nah, I saw two schizos spend an entire thread arguing about it only for them to analyze the timestamp. You're able to faintly hear a female laugh
The male voice that's more prominent is probably the camera man for the podcast's voice

>>13042818
This is the funniest fucking thing I read on this board in weeks

>>13042811
as an anituber he speaks alot about how hololive makes big bank. It seems like as he is an entertainer who grouped up with other anitubers and never got such quick growth. he nit picks at this fact of nene. Anitubers are dying and have been dead and he sucks. or something

>>13042920
Do elaborate. I wish to partake in your amusement.

>>13042959
Seems like anitubers dont understand vtuber success. They have been making videos all these years. They try to crawl to relevancy. They are the losers who havent seen big success. There is an idea of them merging together with vtubers. Talking to our deer girls.

>>13043051
Elaboration: the last two sentences are very funny and probably true

>>13043051
You WILL laugh at overused jokes

remember when mori said she'd do track making streams in her debut and never did any?

>>13042209
You forget Gura was the OG anime meme youtuber Senzawa
she was a youtube algorithm wizard & memelord with insane UwU popularity before the whole vtuber persona shit even began...

>>13043099
there's this theory that it isn't as much Mori antis, but vtuber antis in general within the TT/animetuber fandom.

>>13042818
The rant is useless because it has fuck all to do with Nene which is really crocs of the matter
He's really just making the argument that worshiping 2D women is partially to blame for japan's low birthrates
You could replace Nene with literally any anime girl and the main subject of the video would not change, so to imply that hates her is kinda of a reach
>Calli doesn't care enough about Hololive to know who the fuck Nene is.
Why do you guys still like to pretend it's like September 2020 and Mori knows nothing about hololive? Nene was literally one of the first JPs she collabed with

>>13042515
>>13042115
Esl can't onto anti. He says the whole thing is weird and even says that it is the end of days that she's in there unironically. He uses a lot of wiggle words, but he's a smarmy snake attacking Nene, her fans and all of hl, throughout the whole thing. He even makes up shit about this never happening in the west like Japan is fucked up for allowing this shit.

You might think it's just a retard, but this idiot is following a style guide given to him by corpos and they are never gonna stop until Japan is just as cucked as the west.

>>13043193
Is there a list of shit that holos said they'd do during their debuts and then never did? Would make for a good laugh I think

I wish every HoloEN graduated and were unpersoned. anyone being the face of that mistake needs to be kicked out of vtubing.

>>13043276
Anon it's past your bedtime

>>13043246
Should've, could've, would've but still used Nene. You and TT are full of shit. And woooow, Calli actually knows who Nene is and still collabs with people who could've chosen any anime girl but chose Nene. You think that makes things better?

>>13043486
Okay now see THIS is funny.

>>13043260
There's a pasta for every promise broken by Ina and Ame, that's the closest thing i can think of

>>13043627
Please share

>>13043249
>corpos
Yep. She might as well have brought up blm, because this how the fags that own tt want this all to end. Actually, anyone else remember when Mori retweeted Gura getting blacked by the ringfit shark? Maybe that wasn't an accident.

>>13043249
>He uses a lot of wiggle words, but he's a smarmy snake attacking Nene, her fans and all of hl
This just you putting words in his mouth and self-victimizing like a schizo
His entire video is just "guuuuuuise it's really weeeeeeird that a 2D girl is playboy :(( "
It really has nothing to fucking do with Nene or hololive specifically, in fact he specifically reiterates several times that the video is not intended to be an attack on her
There's so many reasons shit on anitubers you don't need to make up shit about, in fact I can't believe you fucking gossiping whores actually got me to watch the video for myself just to see what he says

is Mori now deconfirmed for being /here/ since there's no way she wouldn't have noticed everyone screaming about the anituber being mean to Nene?

>>13043810
>Deadbeat defending anitubers
Kek

>>13043900
>retards lacking basic reading comprehension
Such many cases!

>>13043971
Thanks for the (You)

>>13043670
Remember when Ina was supposed to do more membership streams?
Remember when Ina said she'd continue RFA?
Remember when Ina said she'd sing in Korean?
Remember when Ina said she would do more cooking streams?
Remember when Ina said she'd use the forehead outfit more now?
Remember when Ina was supposed to draw the IRyStocrates?
Remember when Ina said she'd play Layers of Fear?
Remember when Ina said she'd play Outer Wilds?
Remember when Ina said that Inacademy will make a return?
Remember when Ina said that she'll post her finished pieces on pixiv?
Remember when Ina said she'll open a pixiv account?
Remember when Ina said she'll watch Mad Max?
Remember when Ina said she'll finish Paper Mario?
Remember when Ina said she wouldn't drink energy drinks anymore?
Remember when Ina said she'll actually sleep properly?

Ame
>Fish tank
>Ame in the AM
>Detective diaries
>Voice pack
>RFA stream
i thought this one was longer, there may be a bigger one in the archive

>>13043988
your welcum

>>13043890
I have no idea about her /here/ status but does she seem like someone who would care?

can you retards stop posting about trash taste when we have visuals such as this to admire

>>13044020
>does she seem like someone who would care?
Yes, she doesn't really tolerate people shitting on her genmates
If she actually knew what some of those fags have about the entirely company I doubt she'd even give them the time of day

>>13043810
That just outs him as an ignorant pretty boy talking shit from his ass

>>13044158
So shes's just stupid? Like really stupid. And her managers are really stupid too? And if someone would tell her about the shit TT has said she would apologise for being part of their show?

>>13044341
Anon she has an entire song written because she was utterly flabbergasted when she found out that some people she thought she was friends with when she was a nobody turned out to be extremely jealous of her instead of supporting her, as though that was something no one could have foreseen.

>>13042317
pretty tangential I don't fucking get the "hololive=idols, nijisanji=regular streamers" false dichotomy that western observers have been pushing. It's a bunch of bullshit?
Having followed them now for well a while now they both pander to idol shit it's just nijisanji contracts out so many more they vtubers than hololive they clearly can't afford or bother to manage them as closely. Anyone getting into vtubers and going to Nijisanji to avoid the faintest whiff of idol shit in nijisanji is going to be disappointed.

>>13044341
>So shes's just stupid? Like really stupid. And her managers are really stupid too?
Not stupid, You're implying she's a much of schizo as the average /vt/ranny is and that she has the free time to do background searches on the guys who's show she went on and know what that Br*tish fag said, when it's pretty obvious neither Her nor Cover (or most people in general if we're being honest) do, in fact I doubt she watches any of their content since she mentioned having not even watch the episode she was literally on
> And if someone would tell her about the shit TT has said she would apologise for being part of their show?
Why would she apologize when she hasn't really done anything wrong?
She would probably give them the cold shoulder and never interact with them unless management absolutely forced her to go on the show again

>>13041704
I liked Ollie a lot till she started with the Connor simping, so I just dropped her completely.

>>13043810
> Nene makes list of beautiful women. What?
>hololive uses idols and they are making big bank
>big in Japan, internationally.
Meaning that it's a part of japanese culture that is big in other countries.
>They could pick any woman and they put Nene hl vtuber in there. She somehow made into fucking playboy
Another smarmy attack. His expression and words suggest that this is something to be mocked
>i'm sorry that I'm laughing. I watch it I get it.
Wiggle words.
>A dedicated fanbase. A band of simps has formed under her belt. And she has a good grasp on her make audience.
Another attack. Some of her fanare simps, but he's also suggesting that Nene is a liar and a whore.
I'm not going to keep going, but the video goes on the same way for another eight minutes. He's a smarmy anti that gets paid to shit on the people that I like.

>>13044941
>her male audience
male not make. Shit.

>>13044763
Listen, man... Take a breath and look what you write. Calli didn't stumble in some random podcast. She took part in a show that she has been part of before. She knows the hosts. Her managers job is literally vet collabs. They chose to do that shit. You are carrying torch for someone who doesn't give a fuck about you or Hololive or Nene. Stop drinking Kool Aid and think just a moment for yourself.

>>13044941
>Meaning that it's a part of japanese culture that is big in other countries.
Not really? honestly vtubers still pretty niche in the grand scheme of thing and that includes
>>They could pick any woman and they put Nene hl vtuber in there. She somehow made into fucking playboy
>Another smarmy attack. His expression and words suggest that this is something to be mocked
Anon He didn't say that, those literally my own words that I typed lmao
>Another attack. Some of her fanare simps, but he's also suggesting that Nene is a liar and a whore.
This genuinely just you trying hard to be angry

>>13042515
Notice how the Trash Taste people constantly say how they used to love Hololive but not anymore cus black company and blah blah blah? This all started from the moment they became friends with Calli's roommate. You niggers think this is a meme but Calli really doesn't like this vtubing shit or Hololive or even the fans she's made through it. The only reason she's still there is because vtubing makes her way more money than what she makes with her shit music that will never go anywhere.

She hired because she can write a song. That's a good deal for cover. Nothing else.

>>13041180
>Mori would be the face of EN.
she deserves it

>>13045151
>Calli
Hello newfag
>Calli didn't stumble in some random podcast.
It's not a really up to her, its up to management TT is owned by Kadokawa and it's pretty obvious Cover is the in bed with each other, to make it more plainly obvious Hololive got Bookwalker (another company owned by Kadokawa) sponsorship after that first appearance she made on the show
>You are carrying torch for someone who doesn't give a fuck about you or Hololive or Nene
Again your entire argument hinges on the idea that both Cover corp and Mori have seen a few catbox and streamable links that only get posted on /vt/ and have heard the things they said about the company? Are you fucking serious
If you think they haven't seen it why don't you retards ever email the clip to Cover instead of shitting yourselves on /vt/ about it?
>>13045292
>Notice how the Trash Taste people constantly say how they used to love Hololive but not anymore cus black company
Literally none of them say this, the only who's explicitly expressed a distaste for hololive is Connor
>This all started from the moment they became friends with Calli's roommate.
They're not friends retard. The reason Connor thinks that is because is Irys got like 500k subs before even debut and he's jealous of hololive's brand power and that happened like 10 months after the first podcast appearance
>You niggers think this is a meme but Calli really doesn't like this vtubing shit or Hololive or even the fans she's made through it
Yes she hates vtubing so much that she quit her other jobs to do it full time, produces more music than anyone else in hololive, and streams the 2nd most hours out anyone in her branch, and has repeatedly stated how thankful she is hololive changed her life.
Do you understand how retarded you sound? if she really hated vtubing as much as you guys says she would take the Ayame route and just coast by but instead she grinds her ass off
Also
>Calli, Calli Calli
Where do you all you newfags come from and why are you LARPing as Nekkos? discord? facebook?
Go back to whatever shithole you came from instead of shitting up the board

>>13042712
I always thought that was Shinove.
At least one EN manager is a guy though as per Marine's description so you are right about one (and lets be honest all of them are guys) makes the tranny jokes kinda accurate.

>>13046204
mori just likes money. simple as

>>13046204
>They're not friends retard.
Now that's some delusion

>>13041180
And there's nothing wrong with that

>>13041225
A timeline where Nyanners is the face of western vtubing using the Gura model, and Vshoujo never ends up existing.

>>13041539
People act like Holo EN was somehow obscure outside of Gura but all the debuts got 40-50k concurrent views and the girls had 70-80k subs before they even said a word. It might not have reached quite the same peak but it was have been big regardless, there was clearly huge demand for Hololive-style vtubers that spoke English.

>>13043193
I'm genuinely so fucking sad about that, it was the reason I started watching her, hoping for a composer chuuba like we get drawfags chuubas. But no, apparently one behind a T3 and a joke one and that was it

>>13046204
Why is /vt/ so insistent on calling her Mori? I've been here since the board's creation and I don't get it, even if I've been conditioned to say Mori too.

>>13050818
I agree. We all should call her Wigger Whore.

People say ''this indie could have been Gura'' but fuck no, Gura is almost a real life loli she has the perfect voice and the perfect sense of humor for the design, her personal tastes are always childish and she's not afraid to play the loli part or mention something loli related it's fucking amazing

>>13042209
How do I read these charts (with a spoon)?

>>13050818
People got confused about what order the names were supposed to go in, and "Mori Calliope" is a western name written backwards. "Watson Amelia" is the same way but Watson is clearly a surname whereas with Mori people genuinely weren't sure how to order her name. It stuck and became a meme and a shibboleth for posting here.

>>13049900
>"They're best friends trust me bro!"
>They don't watch each other's content. they didn't even know about her songs and streams. I doubt they listened to any of her songs other than RIP. They didn't mention Your Mori or any of her songs or covers (which is a bit insulting) They asked questions that literally can be answered by any streamer / vtuber.
To say they're friends is such a wild leap in logic

>>13041543
Now that I think about it, it’s kinda messed up that Milky was probably who told Calli to audition, only for Calli to get in as a joke and Milky to remain as a 2view forever.

>>13051061
>Calli to get in as a joke
Refer to the top half of >>13042115

>>13041180
I find it horrible that Mori is the second most subscribed holo. She despises the entire cultural landscape that gave birth to hololive, it's a grim perversion of the efforts of everyone else in the company.

>>13046204
This was a really good post

>>13041276
Shark, Blue, Cute
Gura is anime baby shark anon, she got the dem kids views thats why she cant swear

>>13042033
I only started following hololive because jewtube recommended me a clip of her singing something and it was love at first sight
Can't recall the song, but the second clip I've watched was definitely plastic love

>>13042515
Seems like the dude has a point
If japan didn't have so many incels clutching their social needs on anime be it 2d, 2.5d or 3d, their country wouldn't be in this pickle

>>13041649
Execution is everything and details make all the difference. Welcome to entertainment

>>13042209
Gura brought a million fans with her, since then everyone else has been drafting off of her momentum.

>>13041180
nah, i can't see her being face of holoen if myth debuted as 4. Senzawa brought all the relevancy to them. They still would be incredibly popular, no shit, cause they literally debuted in the epicenter of hololive SEO timebomb, but i can't see how she would be the frontrunner for this whole show.
Also i have a suspicion that if tako wasn't busy slaving for chinese gachas, she can overtake basically everyone besides gura, now thats coco is indie and jp became much less exposed to western market.

>>13051809
>what is RIP
>what are early Ame schedules and projects
acting like holoEN would've been some niche shit without Gura is really funny

>>13052120
>They still would be incredibly popular, no shit
read motherfucker
Im telling you that there would be incredible difference in momentum. While they brought out big guns with music production, mori is realistically so so performer and honestly solid freelance animator was incredibly busy with all the expat in japan business and was delivering mild quality streams and ame, while incredible hard worker with strong basics behind her, she still has cookie cutter basic twitch gremlin persona that just doesn't jive with holo ethos. Ina was buried under deadlines and still relatively slow at building momentum, and i don't know shit about kiara besides her having really nice legs and same 2 jokes, so thats also speaks something.

>>13046299
The new trash taste episode with Calli, you can hear J-chad's voice when laughing

>>13053090
>>13046299
Shit, I replied to the wrong anon

>>13043246
>You see he shat on waifu culture
Ah, yes a guy that owns a hug pillow and several figures of Shinobu Oshino, and whose branding is based on waifu culture is now going against it...
You do know that just makes Joey look like even more of a leech right? So yeah he would still look like a slimy fuck that no Hololive girl should collab with, even if we went eith your revisionism of events that he wasn't shitting on Nene and her fans

>>13043810
Clearly him saying that you only would defend her being included, because you are a Nene simp, totally isn't him dismissing people that would disagree with him

>>13051559
Then an anime girl appearing in playboy is a symptom, not the subjacent cause. Anitubera are not the most clever individuals out there...

>>13041180
If Gura never applied then HoloEN would of never had popped off and they'd be nijitier, Gura MADE Hololive EN.

>>13051559
Even if that was his point that would make him a hypocrite, because he has partaken and promoted waifu culture to get where he is now...
Also you need to go back

>>13051020
Doubly funny when you put it next to rrats about holoEN not being friends despite both on-stream direct interaction and talking about each other as well as corroborating off-stream stories/anecdotes/mentions. Bizarro world where the less evidence there is for something, the more you're somehow supposed to believe it and vice versa.

>>13050818
Because it stems from her first stream where she already said, "I'm your Mori, and I hope you remember me." So of course people started referring to her as Mori.

>>13050918
How new?

>>13042033
her covers have hundreds of thousands of view on some whos channels too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_4U4zDuKsA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzifOSU-dI0
and some that have even more views but also some roommate shit

>>13050790
Same it'd break the monotony of holds only doing drawing creative streams.but it doesn't matter since deadbeats will just assume that she did it all herself

>>13050818
Mori always signs off as Mori so i'm more confused as to why most people call her Calli outside of here. People here have been calling her Mori since the /jp/ days so it also serves as a filter.

>>13053452
Yes people who are fans would inherently be biased, how is that at all controversial?
If you were trying to do a non-biased survey of who people thought the best sports team was you wouldn't ask diehard sports fans cause they'll just tell you their home team is
As you can see he was correct because every thread about it devolves into calling him a faggot for even questioning it to begin with, much less even giving a fuck for what he has to say

>>13054219
>Defending Joey
Why are you on here, and not Reddit where you belong?

>>13054219
This is what he said, word for word:
>"...This is a real page from a real magazine that someone at Playboy magazine deadass thought would be a natural selection for a list like this, like of course, you know, ask all of the simps that naturally Momosuzu Nene is going to be put in..."
>"...but of course not everybody is a Momosuzu Nene simp, not everybody agrees with this edition obviously..."

Are you serious? How can you take this any other way? It's barely one step above outright saying that anyone doesn't agree with him is biased and should have their own viewpoint discounted. The equivalent on this board is, "But of course not everybody is a drooling braindead TT fanboy, not everybody agrees with Mori going on the show obviously..."
Post that in the comments section of the podcast and then try to defend yourself with "Uhh it's not a controversial take, you can't disagree that if you're one of the sheeple who blindly follow Trash Taste you're clearly going to see nothing wrong with it."

>>13053737
You’re goddamn right.

>>13041180
Jeezus Christ anon that's horrifying.

>>13041225
People like to pretend Gura is easily replaced, but I honestly think her choice of city pop singing for her debut was a massive buff that heavily contributed to her early growth. Showed that she wasn't all memes, and that she had at least a little more complexity than people expected her to have. I don't think someone like Nyanners could have sustained Gura levels of growth, or could have gotten fan creations on the same level as Gura.

>>13041410
Kiara could probably be replaced, but I don't think anyone else could without harming the gen as a whole. Ina and Ame were too critical in their support roles, while Gura and Mori are obviously talented entertainers.

>Noooo guys you see Joey isn't hating on Nene and her fans, so it is okay for Calli to collab with him
>The only thing he did was complain about something that he has promoted and used to get more popular
You guys still think it is okay to collab with someone who either:
A) Hates Nene and Hololive
Or...
B) Is going to pump and dump her just like he apparently did with waifu culture
Okay...

>>13051809
I like Ina but she doesn't have the personality to really become a huge streaming personality. Too subdued, not enough of a clown, not willing enough to really cater to an audience.

>>13056286
Oh it's definitely both.
>Not shitting on Nene because he's """congratulating her and Cover"""

Imagine you win an esports tournament and then the announcer turns to the audience and says, "Amazing accomplishment, as I said before, amazing accomplishment, I'm sure he's going to remember this for the rest of his life, you know it really is just painting a little bit of a bleak picture when it comes to the future of how sports are going to be perceived in this country because let me tell you an award like this cannot exist outside of this country."

You couldn't write a more backhanded 'congratulations' if you tried. It's like something fucking directly out of some 40-year-old antagonist's mouth from some spelling bee movie aimed at teens.

>>13045292
Wait, so has this rrat now turned from "TT influencing Mori" to "Mori influencing TT"?
Sometimes i wonder deranged people here are.
Well until i see some hard evidence that she is this bad person as /vt/ likes to call her i don't believe one word.

>>13041180
probably not, mori would have crumbled under the lead spotlight

>>13056286
>Is going to pump and dump her just like he apparently did with waifu culture
That is what i am waiting personally. Who knows if they are actually being real friends with Mori.
t.deadbeat

>>13056418
Slow and steady wins the race, Ina will conquer the world one takodachi at a time. Clowning and catering is important, yet if it's tense and so-so executed (at least what i've seen from other girls), there is finite amounts of points you can score from it.

>>13041658
I wish.

I'm not a big Kiara fan but having a Calli that could have kept up the yuri tsundere kayfabe and not been a wet blanket would have been fun. She's a good rapper but god she's got the acting chops of a tombstone.

>>13042818
Kek based
>>13042515
>trash taste
Is this a normalfag board or?
>>13051559
Declining birth rates have been a thing for a long time over there. It's more to do with women pursuing top careers and (if they even want a partner) expecting them to be at a similar or higher level.
That happens here in burgerland too, it's just that women here are more promiscuous and actively hate tradition, but more sex = bigger likelihood of mistakes, so you get more births, but more single mothers

>>13041640
I'm so glad we're living in this timeline where a miracle like this happened.

>>13041658
I still don't understand how she must hate Nene as well because one of the guys on TT doesn't like her. I mean you can be friends with people and not 100% agree with their opinions.

>>13054010
>she did it all herself
IIRC all producers are explicitly stated in her vids. Hololive in general works with some household names of doujin music, nhato, camellia, niki, AO etc, so theres should be zero surprises about beats being fire.

>>13041180
No. Mori is only popular because of the normalfags and normalfags wouldn't know about Hololive without Gura.

>>13054169
Everyone, including other EN girls, calls her Calli.

>GUH! It's ya boy! Big ups, my dude! No superchat message? What an f-wording chad! Teehee! Thanks for the 1 million views deadbeats, in SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME!"
Worst vtuber in Hololive history

Face: Gura
Leader: Kiara
Tech Supp: Ame
Moral Supp: Ina
Trash Taste Buddy: Mori

>>13058778
I could tell you why she's like this but I got banned the last time I even vaguely referenced it

>>13058896
Some doxx information i assume that doxxbeats somehow don't know?
Please.

>>13058962
Not even going that far. Just vague details

>>13058881
This.

>>13041180
>applied as a joke
Doesn't she also sing as a joke?

>>13059200
hypothesize a little?

>>13058602

>>13059359
Okay so you remember the China arc, right? You see, the mastermind behind it was actually Connor himself who has woken up from his deep slumber. Way back then, Xiping himself came to Connor and warned him that hololive was going to be full of whores that was going to ruin vtubing as a whole. So he pretty much set aside a series of events that he was absolutely positive that would destroy hololive (think of it as a mercy killing more than anything). Unfortunately, just like everyone else, they really underestimated just how influential Hololive English would be. Connor literally raped Xiping himself for his failure and Connor personally formed the faction known as the Wake Up Force that consisted of him, an egg, a LLfag, Milo Yiannopoulos, a SEAschizo, and a random hobo. Sadly despite their efforts, they were all defeated by Hololive in some shape or form. Not that they didn't have any lasting effects: Milo was a part of middle management that pretty much blocked Coco from doing anything before all of HoloEN ran a train on him with their futa cocks and made him super pregnant.

In a last ditch effort to wake up, Connor than tried to pull the ultimate technique, the GRADUATION BOMB, but alas, that Dragon Bitch was able to use it to her advantage to help out her friends.

Incensed about this, Connor grabbed a random anon and extracted his horny powers to travel back in time and to act as an anti of himself, and he became completely obsessed with Ollie and tried to use her as a avatar for chaos and waking up, but once again, nobody outside of SEAschizos gave a shit. But then it is when he realized that SEAschizos have a lot more power than anybody realized. He is now using their unbridled schizo powers to finally encroach upon this reality to turn everybody into a Connor clone and make everyone sleepy and please wake up. Anon, please wake up! Stop this obsession with Connor, your entire family misses you. ANON WAKE UP

>>13058778
>I don't like the way pink lady talk, graduation when

>>13042115
Why do you keep coming into bait threads and posting the same image

>>13059359
I'll get banned again

>>13060287
I get paid to do it, dumb seanigger.

>>13060344
I think I remember said post and I think I also got banned for pointing out it was full of conjecture if not provably false points, so you're generally right in it not being anything worth getting banned for

>>13055733
>This is what he said, word for word:
Timestamp?
You cut off a lot of shit in your quote

>>13051020
>>13053878
TT has said several times that one of the main criteria for getting a guest is that they need to vibe well with the crew. As in hang out off-camera and it not be an awkward, perfunctory mess. Doesn't mean they are /best/ friends and meet for drinks every week, but it's not a purely business relationship.

If you want to be skeptical, you could say it's a defensive measure: if TT is unfiltered off-camera, the people they guest with are good enough of a friend not to create drama over it.

>>13061686

I cut out a lot of shit? Oh boy, you bet I did. You want the specific ones for those? Here:

https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=329
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=383

I cut out a lot of shit because nearly the whole thing is nothing but shit. My eyes were widening as the torrential slurry of shit poured out over his multiple-ad-enabled post-ten-minute video. I thought the whole point of prerecording videos was to do research first and edit yourself. You know what, I'll be generous, especially for people who would read long shitposts but never want to watch such a video. How many more, uh, rud- "problematic" or downright ridiculous quotes do you want from him?

Numberfagging right from the start making it all about profiteering?
>They've been making pretty much big bank banking off the whole virtual youtuber trend that has been happening
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=39
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=71

Portraying Nene as a shrewd manipulator using her feminine wiles to rear her 'simps' like a herd of pigs?
>Dare I say a band of simps have formed under her belt and, uh, she definitely has a very good grasp on her male audience who not only like her for her but also just like her for, you know, other more romantic and sexual ways
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=200

Customary instigation of moral panic?
>When you see a page like this, you can't help but think "great photoshop , dude" (giggle), it is just so hilarious. This is a real page in a real magazine. It is truly terrifying that this has become a reality...
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=287

Sensationalist, bizarre blame targeted at anime aesthetics for raising "beauty standards"?
>Have we really gotten to that stage where we can't distinguish the difference between reality and fiction? Like it really is starting to turn into some like post-apocalyptic shit, like this is some "I am Robot" shit dude where like we are really just blurring the lines between what is considered a real woman or a real standard of beauty
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=461

>But for fuck's sake man like can you really just not distinguish the difference between a fucking 2d character and a 3d character anymore have we really gotten to that point in Japan that the anime simps are just like taking over this landscape and that we can't just appreciate real Japanese women's standards of beauty to the point where we have to throw in a fucking virtual youtuber
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=554

Outright disdain towards what he claims is an "accomplishment"?
>Amazing accomplishment, as I said before, amazing accomplishment, this is just fucking hilarious, I'm sure she's going to remember this for the rest of her life, you know it really is just painting a little bit of a bleak picture when it comes to the future of how standards of beauty are going to be perceived in Japan
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=588

Holding up a few schizos as examples of the fandom, then expressing that he would rather those schizos stalk the roommate instead of being deluded by the live2D?
>I mean, god forbid if you'll ever find yourself in that situation because who the fuck buys magazines nowadays and you opened up this page you would think that the world was coming to an end. You think, oh my god we've really gotten to the point now where people legitimately want to wife a 2D character, like, unironically. We say we call them waifus but no, some people are like legit about that shit. Some people are like no, no, she ain't my waifu she's my fucking wife all right, I'm going to wife her eventually, not the person inside who is voice acting and acting as this character, no, the character itself
https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=614

How much more do you need? This actually isn't just insulting to vtuber watchers, he's basically reducing a large part of the systemic problems plaguing Japan's falling birthrate to "too high standards".

>I mean the Asian standards of beauty especially in Japan are already so insanely high...that's, I would say, is one of the very big reasons as to why there are a lot of single, you know, not looking-for-a-relationship-type of women and men in Japan because a lot of them unfortunately have this just insanely high standard in terms of looks, in terms of personality, in terms of the type of partner they are looking for that can't have any flaws in them whatsoever otherwise they are not waifu and husbando material, and again, I feel that's one very big factor that is leading towards this rapid decline in population when it comes to young people not getting married, not being in relationships, not even looking for relationships, and it's become this like really strange-like platonic landscape that has very simply undertones.

https://youtu.be/Q5ZHcqBumPc?t=492

Anyone can tell you how unbelievable that sounds right off-the-bat especially from the male end.

>>13063137
I like you, anon. Unlike the lazy asses here who can only resort to "ironic" NTRposting at best, you go the extra mile for your dramatics.

>>13058881
>Leader: Kiara
Go away KFP

>>13063321
>Dramatics
That anon just told the truth about what Joey did

>>13064335
Is it really the truth? The whole video read like satire to me, a shitposting Aussie doing what they do best. He doesn't really believe any of that shit, does he?

>>13064335
If it makes you feel better about yourself, then yes, Joey is indeed the true mastermind behind the China arc.

>>13064562
>I am going to claim that you believe that Joey is behind the China, although you never implied it
You need to be over 18 to use this site

>>13064633
Look whatever man. Connor secretly being the president of China who wants to get revenge on Yagoo and this is all part of his grand 5D chessmaster move to finally destroy Hololive is a lot more interesting than whatever boring rrat about Joey cucking Nene's husbands or whatever.

>>13064675
>Cucking Nene's husbands
Who implied that Joey did that... Oh wait you made it up, because you have no argument, and you are only using irony, since that is all you have because you are a pathetic irony poisoned Reddit weeb just like the rest of the Joey dick suckers that post on this board, who won't admit that what he said was idiotic

>>13064856
I never said Joey wasn't an retard, retard.

>>13064906
>Uses all this time mpcking people rightfully calling Joey out
>Actually I think Joey is a retard, retard
Sure you did...

>>13064932
Point out where I said I actually agreed with whatever the hell Joey said.

>>13064382
>It was just a joke
>He doesn't really believe what he went on a several minute rant about
Wow could you suck that Joey dick any harder?

>>13064955
You made yourself clear, when you started to make up shit about what I believe to try to discredit me because I do not agree with Joey, so the only logical reason to do that is to defend Joey from naysayers

>>13065130
I wasn't even trying to discredit you moron, I just found your rrat boring. Learn the difference retard.

>>13064955
Ah yes from the irony handbook, demand people where you said something specifically, even though your previous behaviour proves what you have been accused of, you slimy freak

>>13065009
What part of Aussie don't you understand? It's what they do. He could go on a several hour long rant if he wanted to and it'd still somehow just end up being one big shitpost. The very fact that he's triggered so many people here is proof that his gigantic dick that I cannot suck any harder is a shitposting genius.

>>13065183
>I just found your rrat boring, so I am going to act like a dismissive Joey fanboy
Wow you are pathetic

>>13065276
Sounds like fanboy cope to me, but it must be nice to dismiss any complaints by just saying that Joey is shitposting, because Australia

>>13065413
You don't have to be a Joey fanboy to see that he's going for outrage because he knows that will feed the YouTube algorithm and perform well. It worked! Joey triggered many people here, you cannot deny that.

>>13041737
The island of success

>>13065314
Pathetic? The only thing that's more pathetic than myself is tourists who keep using the same rrats from September 2020? How the fuck am I supposed to be entertained by this? You can't even be bothered to try to link the enthusiasm arc into this! You are unironically more boring the NTRposters. Try again next week.

>>13050679
I'd kill myself if I didn't have pink cat in my timeline.

From OP: everyone arguing here is a massive retard and should do something better with their time

>>13065648
based if true

>>13065694
New IP so not true. If it were OP they would have the same IP.

>>13065602
>Same Rrats from 2020
I have not used those, what the fuck, stop accusing people of things that they have not done, schizo

>>13065718
Not true anon, my IP is still 136.243.144.135 and always was

>>13051333
Baby Shark and Devil May Cry definitely have the same audience, sure.

>>13065785
What is that IP and why is it running an open DNS resolver? You have peaked my autism.

>>13065846
First result I got when searching "Random IP generate"

>>13051727
Not a million less than 800k, Mumei is the one who's got a million before hololive

>>13041225
la pinka....