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>>13032937

>>13032937
The ID branch is really successful actually. Arguably the most relevant vtubing company in Indonesia. The only reason the ID holos get more views is that a lot of English speaking foreigners watch them, but the Indonesians themselves mostly watch nijisanji ID. Not mentioning that nijisanji ID has more livers that the viewers are spread over. AnyColor even mentioned nijisanji ID as an economic success in their economic report for shareholders.

>>13033294
>but the Indonesians themselves mostly watch nijisanji ID

No. Hololive is massively popular in Indonesia and Indo/Filipino facebook is choke full of Hololive. In fact they're majority of Gura audience since her VOD is quite high for her live views(bad timezone in SEA)

Obvious troll OP aside, the one big "problem" I could say that nijisanji has is that they have way less viewer retention than hololive. Viewership can fluctutate from 900 to 9000 depending on the game (random numbers, don't quote me on that), whereas with Hololive while there of course are buff and debuff streams, it fluctuates way less for most of the holomem. So what I'm saying is that nijisanji needs to make more viewers really be hardcore into the various nijimem so that they are more stable.
But really they're still the second biggest vtubing company, so I don't think it's quite enough of a reason to doompost.

>>13033441
that's the natural order of things, most people watch streams if there's something interesting going on. The power of Hololive is in GFE

>>13033043
We have to remind the nijifaggots for bullying holo in the early days

Loli Dola sex

>>13033441
Second in Japan maybe? But on the rest of the world? Vshojo is second now and we should all be mad about it.

>>13033687
It just shows how weak minded and feeble you all are that you let those shitposters live rent free in your minds. Do you not feel pathetic reminding everyone how butthurt you are? You don't even see /v/ newfags "posting in retaliation" to the meanie haters. It's /qa/ behavior.

>>13033687
you weren't even there lol. There was no "holofags" to be bullied. It was bullying the Aifag and it was because he kept talking about Mito doxx and posting numbers all the time since he was a closet EOP. Holofags came straight from /v/ due to Azur Lane collab

>>13033687
imagine being this much of a bitch kek

If they make more money than they spend then they are fine

>>13033687
>Shit anon wasn't even around for, the post

>>13032937
Don't use FBK for posts like this. Kill yourself.

>>13032937
>NijiEN talking with Vshojo, Indies, Prism, VOMs, Tsunderia
>Having fun over practically nothing (Watch elira right now make a fan fiction of Pomu being Harry Potter while she clicks a button 200,000 times)
>Trust one another to take the piss in their jokes, allowing them much more range of comedy and shticks

>HoloEN regretting letting Nacho collab with Gura because it affected NUMBERS
>1 and done "outside collabs" burned with most of them minus Ame, Ina was allowed 2 because Pochi is both her friend and Reine's mama
>Every joke they say is just run of the mill "approved for broadcast" company shit
>Literally none of them take personal jabs at each other unless it is 100% their character, and even then it's softballed so hard it might as well be in suspended animation for them to interact with later

The crazy part is, it's JUST HoloEN, JP and ID rip on each other so hard it's amazing they are still friends some times. Why the fuck does Troon coddle them so much it's practically on the level of hoarding them like gold bullion

>>13032937
Lazulight and Obsydia numbers are actually up from debut, it's only Ethyria who is down for NijiEN (and for good reason)

>>13035653
Feel like it was rushed personally

>>13033764
speak for yourself, I'm enjoying the fuck out of it
most hololive fans are still in denial, so props to you for acknowledging the trend at least

>>13032937
>Failed ID branch
It's almost impossible for an ID branch taking donation from overseas to fail in Indonesia.
The exchange rate between ID's currency and the US dollar is about 1 IDR = 0,000070 USD, add to that the low cost of living and you can pay the staff peanuts.
Hell, Anykara's cut from Hana Macchia's supacha probably pays for the entire salaried ID branch staff and there's still plenty of money left.

>>13033294
>>13033412
The most successful ID vtuber groups is Maha5.
NijiID follows being more successful with IDs themselves - they're frequent guests in virtual anime conventions, collaborate with Indonesian companies (There's literally a Niji ID edition of the Xiaomi Poco M3), they literally, their virtual summit had real world celebs like DJ SOBA involved and their online store sell stuff in local currency and ships locally instead of USD and having to ship it internationally.
HoloID is more famous with international viewers - they do make a lot of cash and a lot of viewers, but not much of it comes from their domestic market.

>>13032937
Sasaki Saku got me like...
https://youtu.be/6LRGAHJrKpQ

>>13035653
Reimu is under, Nina is doing well.

>>13035216
This sort of thing happens to a lot of companies when they have unexpected success. They try hard not to upset things and become stagnant and ironically that leads to them getting assfucked later.

>>13033764
Second in the world since Vshojo don't reach their numbers at all. Vshojo is only above nijien.

>>13033764
>>13033441
>>13032937
>HoloEN is more popular!
>Vshojo is more popular!
>Reality:

I don't even dislike hololive. It's not for me, and that's okay. I've always preferred Nijisanji. Sasaki Saku is my favorite Vtuber, and I watch NijiEn regularly.

>>13037364
>Best SC
>Best subs
>Best views
HoloJP dominates if you exclude the kuzubots

By the way, to what extent is the information about Nijisanji's dominance in Japan correct? Based on the facts, the first in Japan - hololive

>>13037764
>bots
Lol

>>13032937
>>Incredible EN branch
Proof next thread?

>>13037799
>400k views
>8.5k likes
>slow chat

>>13035216
HoloEN is dropping the ball hard, most of myth(outside of Mori) are showing obvious signs of severe burn-out and council is a mess, its indirectly leading to NijiEN getting more of the market.

Hopefully this gets him fired and gives the EN girls more freedom, its ridiculous how coddled they are.

>>13037894
8k likes is bots and 14k likes for the same amount of views is perfectly fine huh?

>>13037764
is this falseflag or nigga just Coping to hard and lost most of his braincells?
I can't tell.

>>13037764
>D-do-doesn't count!!
The first in Japan and in the world is Kuzuha, you can't even read numbers?

>>13037364
yo whare the female niji at, I ain't gay enough to watch male vtuber

Nijis have more comiket stalls than Hololive and that tells you something. Sorry if your EOP brain cant comprehend its relevance to the otaku community

>>13038402
Wait they still do Comiket? What about the coof?

>>13038271
Watch Sasaki, she's a real fucking gamer https://youtu.be/mvzk8USKJ_A
>>13038402
What are you talking about? Hololive is way more otaku oriented, not that Nijisanji isn't, but they also have very strong casual appeal

>>13038402
COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE
COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE


https://twitter.com/kaya_saga/status/1459095843836170240

>>13035216
>>13038013
>>13037107
Look at these copes and delusions

>Hololive > Nijisanji
>HoloEN > Vshojo > NijiEN
>HoloID > Maha5 > NijiID
>HoloEN > KR indies > NijiKR
>Hololive > A-soul > VirtuaReal

lmao nijisanji keep losing

>>13032937
Get the fuck back to the numbers thread you faggot, and I say this as one of the autists who normally participates there.
Seriously you fucker, we don't need to be clogging the catalogue with more bait.

>>13039036
t.nijikek

>>13034999
FBK would gladly approve posts shitting on those who abandoned Hololive and Coco when they were under fire from chink antis and needed supports the most. She might give her Niji friends a pass, though

>>13039036
Can you tell your bastard friends in that thread to stop clogging the archives with all my favorite vtubers names. It makes it hard to search anyone in Nijisanji who isn't talked about much.

>>13039036
Well don't be surprised if one day people start trolling the number thread

I don't care about how popular it is I've been watching indies with weaker numbers than hololive ever since I got into vtubers
But tell me
Will Nijisanji really die? I like them and the anons who post about them a lot. And I can hardly stomach hololive and it's viewers ever since Gura debut

>>13039382
No. Anyone proclaiming the 'death' of Nijisanji is just shit-stirring for (you)s.
If you want a (perhaps filled with rrats, but probably better than most places) look at how things are going for members, you could ask....numbers, but eh.
>>13039197
That's...unfortunate. Wouldn't it make more sense to check /jp/ for Nijisanji JP members? (I actually don't know if it would be better over there for Nijisanji discussion or not)

>>13039382
Na, Nijisanji's entire style of doing things is to have a chuuba for everything, they're just doing that with the EN market.
You don't need holo numbers to be considered a success and very few nijis stream for a living.

>>13039382
The only way it will die is if something awful happens with management and Nijisanji has already been through the "black era" arc. Or if people start graduating en masse. Will they dominate numberfag charts, no, but content wise it's increasing. No one wants to talk about all the other "small time" agencies that are as old as Hololive, far smaller, yet still doing the exact same things to the audience of their loyal fanbase. 3D lives, showing up in concerts, gaming, collabs, shows, etc.
>>13039497
I do post there, but no one wants to talk at length over there and posing questions to drum up discussion gets overlooked plus I still feel like mods will blow you up if you breathe funny. I like /vt/ better. But the numberfagging is trashing the archive so badly, at least post images or something.

>>13038402
>>13038545
>Nijikek straight up lying about their popularity
Why?
>>13039382
Well everything is pointing to them dying.

>>13033687
What goes around comes around, I guess.

>>13040741
>everything
Lol

>>13039382
For some reason people on this board think the only 2 options are being undisputed top dog or inevitable death. Which is retarded, but anons on 4channel being retarded is business as usual I suppose.

>>13032937
Only if they lose Kuzuha somehow

>>13039382
If 774 can still survive, doing lives, and even release new units despite most of them having 3 digits views for 3 years, why cant Niji? And Re:Act is alive despite only Kyo and Leona gets numbers, while the other are graduating one another.

Honestly, looking at maha5 numbers, they don't really look all that different fr NijiID, if anything outside of Andi's music the rest are about the same as mid-NijiID, even Andi has less views than Hana, Taka, Zea, and Siska outside of covers and subs.

Nijiniggers, this is your mindset.
>>13027826
Do you know that only Kuzuha's saving Nijisanji from being out of top 10 viewed streamers daily? While Holo's have almost all of the seats? So much for popular in JP, when NijiJP have been reclining like crazy. Nijisanji can't even create new stars, and most of their decent viewed are from the older waves.

HoloJP almost brutalize you except for Kuzuha.
HoloID took the crown in ID, despite starting later
HoloEN completely decimate you
HoloEN has way more viewers than all of your NijiKR
And HoloKR is just lurking around, Hololive have been giving many hints, KR learning, KR singing and so on...
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC2fvhDgem6GHbeUgSog-LZg/featured
>Clip channel is one of the many Hololive KR clippers out there

HoloID3 is coming, for another mogging.
HoloKR is just lurking in the shadows
HoloJP's long lay off, JP6, the most anticipated right now.

So much for >muh popular JP!! If you want to be enlightened, spend some time in numbers thread.

>>13039107
> Her cried after Coco graduation in unarchived stream.
> even lowest scumbag do not mention it or clip it for Fubuki and Coco.

FUCK YOU

>>13042977
That's crazy. I still like watching Nijisanji. But I'm sure the numbers in the corner are fun to watch when they go up and down, different strokes for different folks.

>>13040741
>Well everything is pointing to them dying.
In your schizo brain I guess.
>>13042977
The retardation you just vomited out is proof as to why no sane person should go to the numbers thread.

>>13032937
Nijisanji
>Rosemi
All I need to know.

>>13043544
Denial. Keep being that way, im sure you'll be happier. I just wanted to let you delusionals know in advance, and so you wont be embarassed getting called out for saying Niji's more popular than Holo's. Anyway, KR will bring more eyes on them, they already got KR sponsors, and KR's one of the hardest market to get into, since their entertainments are already well established. Yet Holo broke into the market. Bae's KR learning had KR currency as the most donated.
>Without proof
Its there, it's in the catalog, and anons there are dedicated. its your choice if you ever want to know or nah

>>13043999
ESL drooling aside, I wonder if you realize that people watch vtubers no matter what the viewcount is. If your sole interest for vtubers is related to numbers, I can point you out to Twitch, as those guys get a ton of viewers. I heard Minecraft kids get 60k easily.

>>13043999
Ok, explain please how Nijisanji will die before literally any other Vtuber company other than Hololive does. I don't understand this argument. And why do you take those shitposters so seriously?

>>13044104
No... it's just not numbers, i just pointed that out if anything. I'm just happy spreading around Hololive's success. Ever rooted a company berated for being Idols and ridiculed for many dramas and company-ending dramas? And yet they prevailed, and then rewarded immensely? and becoming popular globally?

>>13044124
I never said Niji will die, just wanted to say that Niji isn't as popular as you think. They took down their numberfagging for a reason.

>>13044706
>Pic related

>>13044706
No, you seem way too excited to rub numbers in the face of... who exactly? Shitposters? They live that far in your mind? Spend more time spreading the success of your favorite vtubers albums, accomplishments, happiness, rather than going >hey niggers we're winning view counts
Makes you seem like an animal. I thought you fags wanted to act more civilized than those damned /jp/sies. There is a reason why faggots keep baiting you.

>>13044706
Why would you assume my thoughts like that? Once again, stop taking shitposters so seriously man what is wrong with you? Or are you just falseflagging as a hololive fan to make them feel bad?

>>13044706
>Well everything is pointing to them dying. >>13040741

What?

>>13044795
Egg-on-face moment.

>>13044124
>explain please how Nijisanji will die before literally any other Vtuber company
Smaller companies cost literally nothing to run while Niji keeps wasting money on things that don't matter, their popularity has been declining and so is their ability to make money, one day they'll not be able to make enough money to keep their business running.

>>13045216
>things that don't matter
Like what?

>>13045295
Wasting money making 3D and events for their 2views instead of people that matter. What they're doing is something like Cover investing 95% of their resource into Holostars instead of the girls.

>>13045528
I'm really glad you're not in charge then and Anycolor is free to waste money on my favorite girls 3D. What a sad world it would be if only a few people could have a chance to shine.

>>13045216
You know that En startup companies like Tsunderia, Phase Connect, Prism, etc etc are running in red? Also we are talking about a proper company like 774inc, .Live, Re;Act, VSPO. They are doing perfectly fine despite being far smaller than Nijisanji. If fucking dotLive still running after all those scandal and graduations, what stopped AnyColor from doing the same? Also the money they gain from Mito, Kuzuha, Kaede, and Rin! concert are enough to run their company for eternity and still profitable.

>>13045528
But peoples who are relevant (according to your nigger brain) already got their 3D and live2D 3.0, retard

>>13041533
Is Kuzuha the Sora of Niji?

>>13045714
He thinks Cover is investing 95% of their resources into Holostars, he comes from the number thread yet he has a weak grasp on reality. Not surprising.

>>13045528
Why do you people care so much for the corporate aspect of this shit? I feel like we don't even have the same hobby

Is Nijisanji getting mogged by Hololive in popularity and numbers? Yes. Is Nijisanji declining in popularity in Japan? Yes. Is Nijisanji going to die? Not anytime soon.

>>13045729
No. That was Mito.

>>13045826
The funny part is all numerical analysis on this board is based off incomplete data. People who do actual market analysis in the real world would laugh at the shit that goes on in the numbers thread.

>>13045826
They don't watch vtubers. Like the majority of this board.

>>13045965
>no concert ticket sales analysis
>no merch sales analysis
>no VP sales analysis
>no concrete membership numbers
>no information on salary
>outdated info on company cuts
>no info on the cost of 3D, studio equipment, band, etc

>>13045624
I want Fumi-mama to hug me

There's enough room for multiple successful vtuber companies. Watch whatever you like, don't waste your life getting in tribal wars over corporations who don't care about you

>>13046157
I feel like she smells like wet dog

>>13045624
Those events with 2views still as packed as the popular ones, the profit is there. Your point? Jealous because your oh so popular Holos got fucked over by Cover's incompetence?

>>13045965
>>13046104
We can't say for sure what the comparison between exact sales and profit margins are because there are lot of undisclosed details. It'll be interesting to see Anycolor's fiscal report in April and see if their merchandise sales meme still carries them (I doubt it).

But there are still lots of facts that we do know. Like how Hololive is way, WAY more popular than Nijisanji among artists and mangaka, with how Hololive has twice as many booths at Comiket, and how Hololive fanart on Twitter/Pixiv completely dwarfs that of Nijisanji in the past year. Popularity among artists is a good way of gauging popularity among the general otaku population.

>>13044843
>Shitposters? They live that far in your mind
>There is a reason why faggots keep baiting you
Are you one? one of the /jp/sies? I'd be dissapointed if so,
>>13044850
What did i assume?

>>13046333
If you're replying to the wrong guy excuse me but if you're not, did you misread? I'm saying I'm happy everyone in Nijisanji gets to do what they want in 3D regardless of view count. Fumi isn't a 2view either. I don't even have a problem with Hololive nor have I said that in this thread at all.

>>13046394
You assumed that I ever took part in some retarded company popularity discussion. For no reason whatsoever. I think you're letting this website cloud your judgement too much man, relax a bit, not everyone hates you or what you like

>>13046394
I am not but every time the topic of Hololive winning is brought up on this board it's followed up with "payback for the olden days". It's very delusional. I don't get why you can't just post about your girls instead of fighting back against anons who don't even browse this board.

>>13046351
Yes Holo is more popular, nobody in this thread say otherwise. But the question in this thread is "Do AC losing money so bad that they're going to die?" The answer is no. Considering despite their aggressive merchandising they still selling out in less in a day (or hour or even minutes sometimes), they at least know there's some demands.

>>13046472
Ah yes my bad, meant for >>13045528

>>13046666
Why did you need to respond to a shitpost with tribalfagging then?

>>13045944
So Kuzuha is the Pekora of Hololive? That would make sense.

>>13046531
Well, why did you think that i thought of Niji dying?
>>13046617
It's not just 4chan. Hololive has always been berated for being Idols. even on YT. I wish you were there back then Holo was starting to get attraction.

>>13046938
And my oshi gets shit on for existing. why do you feel the need to fight these battles here? Is your oshi going to thank you? Are you new to antis existing?

>>13046938
Who care if they were berated back in the day, why do you even have to "pay back"?
You sound like nigger demanding for social justice of the past.

>>13046938
That's the thread topic dude, that Nijisanji is doomed. And don't act like nijisanji vtubers don't get constantly shat on here, but you know what? That's just a bunch of retards baiting and trolling so why have it be on your mind all the time. I'm still not sure that you're not falseflagging to make fanatic hololive fans look like they have a persecution complex

>>13046938
Most of the people you're trying to get "revenge" on aren't the same assholes who shat on Hololive in the past. I got into Hololive with the Azur Lane collab in 2019, got bored after HoloEN came out, and switched to Nijisanji. The majority of the Nijisanji fans on this board are Holofans or former Holofans.

>>13047228
Honestly, the falseflag and trolling in this board keep getting worse each day no matter what the topic is and it's really started to bluring fact left and right.
It's felt like /sp/ with how deep the tribalism is.

>>13046351
Anycolor's fiscal report won't have revenue on it, it's only their balance sheet. I don't believe any company has that info on them.

Holo has 187 booths to Niji's 95 at Comiket, because Niji has their own (popular) event. Nijisousaku 05 had 244 booths in the middle of lockdowns and Holoket 03 had 95 booths in early June.

Pixiv yes, but it's sort of dead anyways. There's also a good amount of more international artists on Pixiv nowadays. Twitter you can always check Azure-gallery. Kuzuha and Kanae are consistently the top 2 for fanart, and Kuzuha especially regularly doubles Pekora and Marine at 3/4. Past 30 days, Kuzuha has 2.3k, Kanae has 1.6k, Pekora/Marine have 1.3k each.

Past that, for female members only, it's a different story. Holo has quite a few hovering 900-1200, similar to Niji Males, but the more popular Niji females only hover 300-500 usually.

>>13041752
Andi is inclining, his anniversary stream has reached Anya, Iofi, Risu normal numbers (600-700 CCV). The copying "Hololive's stream schedule" strategy really works for him. He just needs to stream consistently, Maha5 is originally not focused on streaming.
Considering he has :
Model debuff
Male debuff
Indie local company debuff
Meanwhile, Nijisanji ID has overseas viewers buff just like Hololive ID.
I consider Andi's numbers are more impressive than Niji

>>13032937
Nijisanji KR is surprisingly good actually, and many speak pretty good english

>>13037027
Reimu got a bit Latina boost today, and has been on part for the past week to be honest.

>>13048185
The branch has definitely improved too, before they were never marketed, there were people who legitimately didn't know there was a KR branch.

>>13032937
>>13033687
>"Nijifags never stop talking about Hololive!"
>Constant Nijisanji anti threads per day
Nijisanji watchers tend to keep to themselves, but Holonumberfags never shut the fuck up about them.

>>13045528
>Wasting money making 3D and events for their 2views instead of people that matter.
Wait so let me get this straight
>Holofags shitpost for months about how Nijisanji has a sink-or-swim mentality where the less popular members are screwed over
>Repeatedly shown to be complete bullshit by even casual Nijisanji fans being able to point to events that include or are for less popular members
>Now this is a bad thing actually
Amazing

>>13047423
NTA but it's easy to not take anyone seriously on this board since it's hard for anyone here to have an opinion worth anything when the majority weren't around for 2017-2018 and completely lack context for most topics. Most if not all of the tribalfagging is from these type of vtuber newfags that just recycle the same shitposts because their knowledge and engagement with Vtubers is just that shallow.

Nijisanji is dead to me until Roa comes back.

>>13048551
Not even the generals are safe from this bullshit, people can criticize and be abrasive all they want but this retarded misinformed posting is grating, and any attempt to correct it is ignored as newfags run around with /vt/ rrats they found on fucking Twitter of all places...

>>13048734
I wish she would at least tweet...

>>13049005
At least she's voice packs... if you have money.

>>13047133
>Judgement
Maybe
>Social justice
I'm not cancelling anyone.
>>13047228
Why do you think Niji's getting shat on
>False flagging
Why do you think i'm false flagging, curious.

>>13049005
Everyone wants her back.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js-lnvrQhzU

>>13045965
lol people also forget that Cover and Anycolor are both, first and foremost, tech companies, there's additional contracts and tech renting income that we don't even know about.

>>13049145
>enters thread delusionally wondering if Nijisanji is going to die
>you start throwing Hololive numbers around
>then say go to the numberfag general when they have no idea what they're talking about anyway >>13046104
>you say they're dying >>13040741
>with no evidence other than "Hololive is winning" which isn't an answer, and just tribalfagging
Then you wonder why people call you a falseflagger, because people want to believe Hololive fans really aren't THAT retarded. You know people are giving you a chance to act normal in here

>>13049145
I fucking told you why in my post, it's all a bunch of trolls and faggots. And frankly the things you're saying make you look like a schizo who is easily hurt by shit some anonymous shitposters said years ago and seem quite a bit unhinged, therefore painting hololive fans in a bad light

Nijisanji is doomed anon, but at least we'll get to see Hajiki 3D before they declare bankruptcy

Elira just clicked that fucking button for 200.400 times never dipping below 2k CCV for fucking 8 hours and get a nice bag of super chats
OP is right, this is doomed
who gonna save us

>>13049281
>13040741
That's not me. But i did list the Hololive upping Nijisanji. I'm just happy getting back on those fans because they berated Hololive for being Idols. and how >JP >merch >males >freedom they spat at the time. While throwing a shade on Hololive. when Hololive was the most United than it ever was, and people just enjoying what Idols do, but what did Niji fans do was frustrating, i'm just getting back at them. They ridicule Hololive, then i'll ridicule them

>>13048815
I dunno I guess it was more annoying for me when it was happening on /jp/ so I've just kind of gotten used to glazing over all of the blatant headcanon and retarded shit.

>>13049520
Ok, thank you for confirming you're schizophrenic and yelling at clouds, anons gave you a chance. Meanwhile I'll be fine watching any company regardless of any shitposters, and not act like an SJW scorned.

>>13049520
Look, in case you're not falseflagging I'll be nice to you amd say this: You're way too easy to make fun of and are like a negative caricature of the typical hololove fan. If you care that much about how people speak of that company then be mindful of how you behave online, never hold anonymous grudges it's stupid

>>13048551
Sadly, lots of bullshit that came from /vt/ is actually taken seriously by people outside /vt/ and unchallanged.
4chan is simply no longer super secret club that people avoided.

>>13049145
>I'm not canceling anyone.
These day canceling someone is always mean wishing someone career dead, just like what you wish for Niji is.

>>13036331
>they do make a lot of cash and a lot of viewers, but not much of it comes from their domestic market.
Cover do sabotaged ID fans by failing to give them local donos, hence why they turned into ARSfags while /vt/ mocked their dedication to SC while also trying to get more ID language streams because language is their last ownership of holoID. At least they'll get local shop next month but dunno about local donos

>>13049622
>Shizophrenic
=] I'll be there, wait me at HoloKR.
>>13049768
Why not, they make fun of Hololive, i make fun of them. what was it again? Payback? Yeah i think thats it. And i'll be doing it more,
>HoloID3
>JoloJP6
>HoloKR
All fun and games right? Oh yeah it'll be fun upping Niji fans. thanks to them, i never got to stay in Nijisanji, they were dominant back then, even clip wise. i'll just let you know that Roa-chi chan's dog was the gateway for me in Vtubing, i used to watch Niji, i liked that blue loli apex, that has metal scream. But when Gen4 dropped, me being oblivious ar the time, Coco united Holo, and what did Niji fans do. drove me away. Now where are they, being miserable of course. let's not stop the war now.

>>13050199
>war
This guy thinks there's a war, KEK
Nijisanji and Hololive vtubers are friends.

>>13050225
>This guy thinks there's a war, KEK
He's not wrong, we got fanwars here. I mean are you a newfag?

>>13050199
Holy shit an actual schizo

>>13050225
>Friends
Like how they tried to avoid Hololive like the plague when the Taiwan arc happened of course. what happened when Myth dropped? They act like nothing ever happened. Yep friends. Real life friends, "friends"
>Collabs
They don't do collabs as much as they used to
>EN
Kiara - Pomu's gotta be the most forced shit ever. But that's on Kiara, i'll give you that. Only Fauna and Kiara has ever talked with them, Ame, Mori, she does likes their tweets sometime, that's because they didn't forget their root. And Mori's a saviorfag.
There's even one on Niji wave 3, that's showing sour grapes behavior lol

>>13050350
But he's taking it seriously instead of just watching content. Or are you saying the correct choice of action is to see antis and hate the content they're pretending to defend? May I point you to sites like suki-kira who are full of hatred? Since those exist and are crawling with antis, should I not like any vtuber? You gotta be mega fucking retarded to think "one side" in this "war" is waging conquests.

>>13050464
They don't do collabs as much as they used to because the collabs they all did sometimes were lewd and with men, and they don't want to do that content anymore. Perfectly fine, people change. Subaru says she's too busy for Maimoto, things happen.
>what happened when Myth dropped?
Was something supposed to happen? I don't recall anyone in Myth caring about wanting to collab with Nijisanji before EN existed.
>why aren't collabs happening in EN
Idk, why aren't they happening with literally anyone. Mori has her indie friend, and uh...

>>13050464
You saying as if those decision isn't came from Holo itself.
Should i remind you with Subaru and her choice to abandon Male collab or Miko who abondon Kousaka, Shiba, and Maimoto after she went viral.
Also Suisei and Inui still in contact with each other.

>>13050650
Or Okayu Shiina, or Hima Polka, or Gundou Ollie, or Aruran Naruse, or whatever the fuck Apex tourney Astel joins where he's grouped with a guy from Nijisanji, and so on. But yeah, no shota onee-san roleplay collabs anymore from Hololive x Nijisanji.

>>13050408
A schizo newfag trying so hard to LARP as an oldfag with this dumb revenge fantasy. It's so pathetic.

>>13050729
Pretty sure this schio wouldn't care about Star's at all.

>>13045826
Tribalism at play.

>>13046224
This. I don't get the dick sizing that always crop up in the board. Here for the chubas not corpos.

>>13050640
>Was something supposed to happen?
What else, that's Hololive's meteoric rise
>>13050650
>>13050729
Friends indeed
>>13050748
>oldfag
I wasnt there when the christmass miracle happened, but i was there march 2020. Asacoco, Watame TKG, Holocaust, narukami miko pregnant rrat, Rushia getting flamed on stream by people outside Vtubing because some flips and indogs went too far with their meme, it spread and spread like a Virus and everyone even outside Vtubing made Rushia as their PfP, HoloJP5's legendary 100k before debut, Aloe graduation, etc etc etc. Im not larping as an old fag, oldfags are those who were in christmass miracle
>>13050893
Correct, that's because i watch Hololive for girls doing retarded things. If they have EN stars, i'll give them a chance.

>>13051129
if you're a 2020fag how do you know that your enemies are actual nijifags and not the resident shitposters and spergs that had been there already for 3 years prior and finally had fresh and impressionable targets?

>>13051129
Starting to think you don't watch vtubers yet you're here fighting in this 'war', not even an oldfag but yelling at anons who again, don't even post here, but thinking all Nijisanji watchers are those same anons you're so assblasted about. If you want EN stars you don't know Japanese then? You're unaware of all of these collabs? You're going
>Friends indeed
To fucking Okayu and Shiina who've had a show for years? Newfag indeed, a schizophrenic newfag. The most retarded combination.

>>13051347
On YT where else i've already said it above, and i'm not repeating it, and i never even been in 4chan until late May, 2021.

>>13051456

>>13051456
So what are saying is that you are literal proof of what i said earlier >>13049848 ?

>>13051456
Holofriends.... I will believe this one is a falseflagger for you.

>>13050640
>>13050650
Maimoto was the one who cut Subaru off(rather it's Hololive as a whole, not just Subaru) when the T word yab happened.

>>13051778
Subaru literally said in her anything goes stream that both she and Maimoto are busy but they are planning on collaborating one day, but what would a Youtube comment reader know, you don't even watch streams.

>>13051475
And i wont even be in 4chan if i hadn't look to branch out for vtubing communities, yeah im a normie, i was a normie, i never wanted to be in 4chan, but this is the only place where the community is so alive
>>13051586
No... Just clips on Youtube, Niji clips, i don't think those who were there from here, they just probably didn't like Hololive for being popular

>>13051778
https://youtu.be/ZVhMFyc8DrU
>November 2020

>>13051778
Why would you make up an outright lie? Just so that people would get mad at something Maimoto didn't even do? (supposedly cutoff Subaru/Hololive)
What's the point of that then? Why do you want to get mad at made up things?

You jinxed anon
Bora will be graduating

>>13051928
If you like this "community" so much why do you refuse to act like a sane individual? Or did Youtube comments also tell you you're supposed to act like a blind retard on 4chan?

>>13043884
>Wosemi-sama, Petra, Pomu, Finana, Enna
They are the most beautiful gift of the universe.

>>13051982
Everyone hates Hololive outside generals, so why cant i hate those who hate Hololive

>>13052108
The reason people hate Hololive is because of people who act like you.

>>13051974
HQJAJAHAHAJAJAJAJJAJAAJAJAHHAHA THE ONLY NIJIKR THATS GAINING VIEWS GRADUATED, WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW NIJI FANS
https://twitter.com/BoraNun2434/status/1460125414488252416

DO YOU KNOW WHATLL HAPPEN ONCE HOLOLIVE KR IS CREATED? WE WILL PAY YOU BACK SO MORE, PAY BACK NIJI FANS

>>13032937
https://twitter.com/BoraNun2434/status/1460125414488252416
Lmao Bora is graduating

>>13052142
what? They hate people who enjoy girls being Idols theyre harmless and contained why hate them?

>>13049848
/vt/ has become worse than just a harmless outlet for people to shitpost for fun. It's become an actual blight to the vtubing community. The kind of disgusting, unfounded slander that gets circulated here influences people's views of vtubers even outside /vt/. Look at how many people still believe Roa is a bully because the shitposting and tribalfagging went out of control and spread everywhere. It harms real people too because actual psychopaths feel empowered by it and encouraged to harass the vtubers themselves.

>HoloKR foreshadowed
>then top NijiKR announced she's graduating
Yep. It's pretty clear what's going on behind the scene. I'm glad for her though because no woman deserves to be stuck in Nijisanji.

>>13052318
>harmless
>contained
When you have fags stating they come from facebook and youtube due to rrats you can hardly call it "contained"

>>13052422
>HoloKR foreshadowed
Is holoKR really gonna be good tho? Is the holowage system be enough to keep their girls to stay?

>>13052454
So why do Niji fans resent Hololive for being Idols so much then, because thats what they did to drove me out of their fan base

I like vtubers on an individual basis, not based on what company they're affiliated with. Is that really so hard?

>>13052554
Why are you asking me to answer for shitposters? My favorite idol chuuba is Uiha, I doubt you even know who she is.

>nijisanji doomposting
Wow, its like I went back to 2018.

>>13049848
I'm Indonesian and I know that this is true. I tried to email kominfo about 4channel, hoping it would get blocked for real, that was months ago. Since that result in nothing, I started posting here instead, defending my oshi and stuffs. Those rrats and shitposts leaking everywhere and normies/casual watchers taking it very seriously they're harrassing HoloID. Dunno about the EN side

>>13043544
>the numbers thread
It's not retarded when it's based on actual facts and trends. Numbers doesn't gives a shit about your feelings or anyone else. There's always a reason or context for the reclining numbers.

>>13053180
>trying to get an entire site banned in your country
I can't tell if this is based but I support it.

>>13051741
I'm not your friend Niji fan, i hate you.

>>13052344
>>13049848
I've been watching this thread quietly, and I think this is why I, personally (not my personal army and all) want to insist that /vt/ is irrelevant outside of itself. The moment there's a whiff that this is legitimate without the implicit "4chan was never good", the breaches intensify and it ceases being a fun "honesty / shoot-the-shit" place. It becomes a serious, malformed threat to the talents, and that's where I draw the line.

>>13053528
>/vt/ is irrelevant
/vt/ archives show up in google searches. This board is the only centralized place for vtuber discussion in English that isn't Discord hugboxes or random livetweets. This is one of the fastest fucking boards on this entire site. /vt/ is not "irrelevant". One of Finana's first month streams had her search Pomu Rainpuff Jar and warosu showed up, she literally said "It's like 4chan but green".

>>13045627
All the companies that you mentioned or any other jp companies are fine on their own because they aren't run on the investments of big companies. Even Cover only had a few hundred thousands of investments from JP companies. However, Anykara doesn't have any leisure for any of that. They need to keep making money because some big corpos already dumped millions onto them hoping they could make it big and gain the monopoly in a few years. So far, they're losing on every front and their ability to make money only comes from the talents. If your talents ain't doing shit and only a few livers are doing the carrying, there's bound to be problems in the future.

Let's say Riku promised those big corpos, they could earn back the investments in 2 years, and somehow along the way, the expected income target for the month keeps falling off because of your main competitor gaining traction, it would look bad on his ability as CEO. The 2 years would become 3 or 4. A promise to a big corpo is really important for small companies because if you can't do that with that much money invested into you, then all other companies would avoid investing in your company because you are that incompetent. Instead, they'd look at the next best thing which is Hololive and their global audience.

>>13053180
>trusting kominfo
you know what? you have a better shot at convincing hiromoot to delete /vt/ than having our dumb gov to get their shit at 4channel

>>13053708
You say they're losing on every front yet have 0 access to any of their monetary gain aside from SCs which are cut and Youtube viewer metrics which are fucked with thanks to Adblock. Do you even know how to numberfag for concerts?

>>13053653
That's not what I mean. Note that I say:
>want to insist
This is indicative that this place is not exactly all that irrelevant, but it's important to me to keep at least a semblance of "keep all this here". Rrats leaking out of here and actually being taken seriously is a real problem when people start thinking 4chan is a reliable source of info on anything.

>>13053833
>every front
I meant, all their branches are losing in popularity and I also don't mean trends. There's more people watching Hololive than Niji on a daily basis for all branches. Merch, sponsorships, concert profits is useless to talk about since both sides sold out on things they sell. I'll give a thumbs up for niji though for selling out physical tickets.

the numbers thread talked about these a while ago, take it however you will
>>8033686
>>8743373

>>13053708
You have a point here, they're so desperate that they're cashing in Kuzuha's fame since he's the only one that's relevant, by making him do a paid birthday live, and you know, even smaller vtubers don't put their birthday event behind paywall.

>>13054342
It's a solo live you retard, people do solo lives.

>>13054342
Both Suisei and Watame had solo lives literally last month...

>>13054097
"Want to insist" doesn't mean whatever you think it means, esl-kun.

>>13053228
Funny thing, 4chan is already banned there, but 4channel don't for whatever reason.

>>13054097
>>13054888
"want to insist" doesn't mean "I wish I could insist", say something like "I wish ___ was the truth, but:"

>>13052902
In some cases it does because it apparently limits who they're allowed to interact with or how they have to behave.

>>13033687
You're not wrong

>>13033687
Nijiniggers in Denial. You'd love to see it.

>>13055363
What does this have to do with my post...

>>13055704
nothing I'm retarded and too lazy to search the thread again for the one I originally meant to quote

>>13054288
So you actually don't know shit. I can't wait for Anycolor and Cover to become public for us to have actual data.

>>13033764
>We

>>13055057
>>13054888
I'll take that much; thanks, anon. I tend to overwrite my own thoughts partway through if I try to write fast. Doubly so if I try to think while raiding on the side.
It's just a little frustrating how some wannabe "first to the news" people try to push narratives from /here/ that are made soley for bait.

>>13032937
If it's as bad as you say, better be ready for the exciting corporate acquisition and merger arc

>>13056763
Sony's gonna buy them out?

>>13045965
Yeah, no shit, are you really expecting top of the line financial analysis from a Mongolian basket weaving forum of all places?

>>13051129
>If they have EN stars
Anon, as someone who used to be on /jp/
Please fucking lurk more and do you archive reps

>>13051129
>oldfag
Here is your trivial for newfag
The holo-niji tribal war shit wasn't a thing before a shitload of newfags like you come to /jp/. There wasn't nijifag shitted on hololive because /v/ tribal tourist at that time was busy to try falseflag as niji vs .live, niji vs kizuna, niji vs 774, 2D vs 3D. Hololive was underradar of tribalshit most of the time because they were mostly irrlevant before 2020.
This is the next level larping shit from holobronies and always makes me laugh

>>13059621
Where did i say i came from whatever boards, all im saying is that Niji fans on Youtube were berating Hololive because theyre idols, all the >best JP >muh merch >muh males >freedom whatever they spew to berate Hololive even more, was offputing that was when Hololive was the most United ever, my hate grew even more because we're enjoying girls being Idols but for what reason they berate Holo? Just because?

>>13059837
Then fuck off to youtube and twitter faggot.

>>13059837
You are bringing youtube drama here? Hang yourself in the comments of whatever clip channel you came from

>>13060180
Amazing, that's all you retort to?>>13060210
Payback is a payback, and i'll be there at HoloID3, HoloJP6, HoloKR, i'll be all there, cheering for their success while of course, throwing a shade to Niji or just plain shitpost about them. It's not my fault, they made the first call, dramas after dramas, they're all there, justfying how Niji's are.. like those i've listed above. grudges are grudges.

wow what a sad fuck probably a manchild or an actual child

>>13060326
go ahead, I'm only watching Japanese indies anyway, I will just laugh at you retard larping schizo shit lmao

>>13060429
Good, you should be, while it's still early, otherwise you won't be having a great time here.

>>13060326
>It's not my fault
Admitting to not being in control of your own emotions. Like an animal. This went on way too long to be a larp and you also are losing your English comprehension, so I will choose to believe you're a Holofag.
And guess what, I still will watch Hololive streams despite your untreated schizophrenia. Because I'm watching vtubers for their content, not because of some childish fan war that you're dragging in here from fucking Youtube comments.

>>13059837
>all I'm saying is that Niji's fans on Youtube berate Hololive because they are idols, all the >best JP >muh

What? What kind of videos are you watching man, as far as I know, I never saw that shit in nijisanji clips or even videos about niji vs holo, even in niji vs holo videos most of the comments are just niji /holofan happy with their brand and praising them to death or people saying both are good, or Holofan somehow angry that nijifan loves their vtuber more,

If anything, holo fans the one berate on nijisanji clips, I see a lot of shit comments like "Nijisanji didn't do it for me, hololive it's better for me I can't get into nijisanji because BLA BLA is too much talent" What's the point of posting that kind of comment in nijisanji's clip?

I saw a lot of that crap earlier this year when I randomly watched clips of nijisanji popping up, The fact that Holofan always brings "quantity over quality" to some random nijiclip shows how shit the hololive fanbase is even off this site

And you want nijifan to respect holo when their fan acting like shit? This is delusional as fuck if you ask me

>>13060536
>Larp
I really don't get this buzzword
>>13060573
Who knows, i've been out of any Niji clips ever since the Holo Unification. If it ever does, then i'm glad, because when i was there, Holo's had nothing but inferiority complex, they can't fend of the >muh JP best >muh merch >muh males those arguments topped any arguments. Glad Holo's growing some spine.

>>13060573
Blatant lies the post Nijishits are way more widespread in saying muh nijisanji better than hololive despite having a fraction of the fanbase, nijiniggers have some retarded sense of pride that makes them not admit they just might not be the most entertaining company.

>There are clipfags in this thread.
>There are clipfags in this thread who read the youtube comments.
>There are clipfags in this thread who read youtube comments and take them seriously.
>There are clipfags in this thread who read youtube comments, take them seriously and think there's some internet war.
>There are clipfags in this thread who read youtube comments, take them seriously, think there is some internet war and decide to fight it writing lenghty blogposts on a vietnamese cartoon meme board.
Stop giving attention to this EOP waste of human breath, there are cute chuubas to watch.

>>13061390
Everyone in this board except for Holo Generals hate Holo's, every tiniest thing or plain REACHING garners hundreds of posts, so why can't i hate them. Im curious.

>>13061493
Everyone in this board except for Niji Generals hate Niji's, every tiniest thing or plain REACHING garners hundreds of posts, so why can't i hate them. Im curious.

>>13061390
>EOP
You will never ever be Japanese. I bet you think Japan's the safest planet on earth with very low criminal rates

>>13059837
>all the >best JP >muh merch >muh males >freedom
So you mad that nijifan praising the vtuber they like? Bruh, nijimale is literally non existing for the rest of 2020, like, what make you think "Muh males = berate hololive" this is some next level schizos, holy shit, you literally just had hateboner for no reason kek

>>13033441
>random numbers
That’s an understatement. Retard

>>13061581
>Non existing
What, what i meant by males is that, they can collab with males, and they use that as one of the reasons for uhh.. Niji best..?

>>13061569
I don't want to be Japanese kek. I can enjoy their endless ocean of quality entertainment and make business with them from the comfort of my own country and culture by just learning their language. It's a win-win situation.

>>13061712
Yet you think EOPs are the worst, while JPshizos actually have power. They have crippled Roa, Meiro, made Miko pregnant rrat popular, graduated Aloe, crucified Sio, crippled Towa, and much more. While EN's biggest feat was making Mori cry, and made forced her to realize Mori's insecurities. They wanted her to be good. That's literally it.

>>13061385
>muh nijisanji better than hololive
That shit only exist on niji vs holo video
The one i'm talking about exist on random ass video or introduction to nijisanji video, you can check it yourself

Kinda funny that when Nijisanji was the bigger fanbase and was more popular they did everything they could to shit on hololive not only people on /jp/ but nip nijisanji fans too, I still rember the holocaust and Aloe, nijishits organizing on NND to bully the shit out of holos, if the hololive fanbase was half as vile as the nijisanji one they'd probably not exist by now, if anything hololive fanbase goes easy on them considering most of the shit that happened.

>>13061865
I would tell you to take your meds because you're talking alone but reading all this sperging is funny so please continue.

>>13061672
Maybe that shit only exist on your head, the only one i know is the "nijisanji more popular on japan" and that shit is not even common unless someone want to stir some shit up in the comment

>>13061958
>Retorts to buzzwords immediately
Really?

>>13062052
nta but didn't you start this with a copy+paste post lol >>13061569

>>13062052
Yes, truthfully it is, really.

>>13062112
Well, he spurted a buzzword while probably screaming banzai JP good EOP bad, while not knowing anything, or rather, ignoring JP dramas.
>>13062113
I'm done with you, you bore me. can't believe i'm saying this while 6 or 7 months ago, i was just a normie.

>>13050464
>Kiara - Pomu's gotta be the most forced shit ever. But that's on Kiara
Not really, Kiara PM'd her live and Pomu was the one who the spilled the to everyone.

>>13062620
It was Kiara who approached her, so i blame her.

>>13061390
>EOP
even worse, it's ESL

>>13039382
Kuzuha hard carrying them right now, once he retired or going indie or move to another agency, they are fucked

>>13064993
Kuzuha isn't going anywhere, he was a rather successful indie and joined Nijisanji because they gave him the structure and management he needed to properly monetize his activities and that coupled with the access to collab partners such as Kanae has allowed his chanel to grow as big as it is. .
Really, this is neither fun nor enraging, it just looks pathetic and dumb - it's "pretending to be retarded" levels of sad. If you want to bait people for easy rage just post something that portray China in a slighly positive light to /pol/, it'll be more productive.
And if you're not pretending, take your meds, go outside and touch some grass.

>>13032937
>Failed ID and KR branches
So long as Hana exists, NijiID isn't a failure.
I agree for the rest.

How popular would Gura be if she was exactly the same but hired by Niji instead, I'm genuinely curious how much of a difference the brand actually makes.

>>13066631
NijiID is the most successful branch outside JP and the most competent vtuber management in the world even without Hana.

>>13065594
who's baiting, retard? is your reading comprehension so bad?

nina will inevitably cause an Artia level yab that results in the entire EN branch being shut down

some guy spams the /jp/ vtuber general with asacoco screenshots and gets told to fuck off, comes into /jp/ niji thread spouting schizo memes, actively hates nonholo vtubers and turns around years later in /vt/ acting like theyre the victim

>>13061934
The Holocaust was Cover's own incompetence. I remember being one of the people mad at them because they went through that shit ALREADY with Nintendo and said "Ok, we'll fix the problem". And then because they were retarded and didn't a fuck ton of streams were privated or are just gone forever, like Subaru's. That shit's on them.
And don't even fucking mention Aloe when you don't give a shit about her. If you did you'd know her actual situation (and how little it had to do with Nijisanji fans), and since you don't just leave her out of your petty shit.

>>13066631
>So long as Bonniver exist
fix it for you

>>13067633
>So long as Pak Taka exist
fix it for you

>>13065594
>Kuzuha isn't going anywhere
Keep telling yourself that. One day he might suddenly come out and say he's graduating because of health issues, then come back as Holostars 6 months later. Shit like this happens all the time in vtuber world, some failed, some succeed, but all of them who decided to join cover are doing better than their past live.

>>13067237
Kek.

>>13067752
>then come back as Holostars 6 months
keep dreaming lmfao

>>13067752
Funny how you think that all vtubers will go to cover eventually like it's the only option. Almost read like a shizo post who needs their meds.

>>13067752
>Jumping ship from a successful gig to join a group that's second-class in their own company
Retard.

>>13067752
>then come back as Holostars 6 months later.
Pfffahahaha

>even holobros hate this thread
i'm gonna rip you to pieces for being the cause of me getting ip block, just watch OP

>>13068045
>>13068047
It's just an example, Holostars might blow up in the future and it'll be an upgrade for him, or maybe he'll go indie like Kson because he's getting tired of Niji dragging him around.

>>13068197
yep, as after i post this i got ip blocked. fuck you OP

Yes. Now hurry up with the next bait thread.

>>13033731
This is the only good post in this entire thread.

>>13061385
screenshots of those please?