/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY *

Here it goes
>80,950: Rushia (Hololive)
>46,496: Suisei (Hololive)
>35,203: Fubuki (Hololive)
>32,326: Marine (Hololive)
>31,657: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>22,724: Pekora (Hololive)
>20,670: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>19,916: Subaru (Hololive)
>15,089: Subaru (Hololive)
>14,635: Noel (Hololive)
>13,981: Amelia (Hololive)
>13,652: Leos (Nijisanji)
>12,935: Gura (Hololive)
>12,599: Ars Almal (Nijisanji)
>12,489: Mio (Hololive)
>12,274: Gura (Hololive)
>12,241: IRyS (Hololive)
>11,622: Hololive (Hololive)
>11,392: Botan (Hololive)
>11,308: Lize (Nijisanji)
>11,110: Shibuya Hal (merise)
>10,822: Calli (Hololive)
>10,569: Fubuki (Hololive)
>10,436: Mel (Hololive)
>10,026: Noel (Hololive)

Some surprises in the list, like Ars and Mel

Can /hlgg/ become faster then pekomiko thread in 5ch?

I was looking at council debut and I was surprised to see that Fauna was in second place and extremely close to Kronii in viewers, how the fuck did she end up being up falling so hard? She is second last in subs, with the slowest growth this week even behind a bunch of IDs, has bad views, and only average (by council standard) supas that don't even reach half of what Kronii gets.

>>12972196
She has a boyfriend in real life who she performs oral sex on after her streams, which affects her earning potential. She’s also boring.

>>12972320
Explain Mumei then, because it's a similar scenario

>>12972320
>She has a boyfriend in real life who she performs oral sex on after her streams

So does Mumei, she is still miles ahead in subs, was the fastest-growing council this week too. You might be right with boring part though.

>>12972196
Just check her historic and it answers itself

>inconstant scheduling
>lack of consistent in choice of entertainment
>heavy reliance on talking streams and collabs

Just look at her choice of games. Other than Minecraft, she seems never to have played the same game more than 2 times.
Maybe the greatest driving engine for growth for a Holo girl is
>memes
and
>clips

And there are only so many clips possible with her choice of entertainment.
Bottom line is: she still didn't find her niche, and "talking" is *not* a niche, it is a bonus activity.)

>>12972410
>She’s also boring.
>>12972410
>Explain Mumei then
>>12972419
>You might be right with boring part though.
Her "boring" demeanor plus the "mood whiplash" when she goes fully bonkers got her a captive audience and is more prone to become a meme

>>12972071
Hololive: 19
Nijisanji: 5
Others: 1

>>12972071
>Surprises like Mel
You mean Watame? She gets 10k pretty regularly.

>>12972604
>You mean Watame
No, Mel

>She gets 10k pretty regularly.
Depends on what you call "regularly". She has 4x 10k streams in November so far, and 8x in October

>>12972071
10k people watching El Shaddai?

>>12972071
Absolute mogging in every fucking aspect.

>>12972752
Seems pretty regular to me, although I think you mean she has 5x 10k streams now. Mel debuffed her a bit, but I'm glad she got to 10k today.

>>12973021
Sorry anon, much like the gold goes to Nijisanji main channel for Kuzuha bday, the 10k goes to Mel even if Watame helped

>>12972446
>heavy reliance on talking streams and collabs
What? That applies even more to Bae and she went from 10k+ behind Fauna to 5k+ above in subs, if anything the issue is that Fauna doesn't do a lot of collabs, and when she does it's not in her channel.

That said, I think that the real problem is that Fauna is boring, with mediocre at best asmr and shit games choices, give it time and I'm sure that Bae and Mumei will surpass her in supas, give a year or two and Sana might even surpass her in subs.

Which is a shame because the design is so fucking good, too bad they choose a boring whore to player Fauna.


spoiler]Such a waste of a great design.

>>12972410
It's funny, think about why Fauna and Mumei are ever anti'd
>Mumei
[REDACTED] reasons, kinda retarded
>Fauna
She's boring, her ASMR isn't good, and her voice is horrible.
It's sad when the unicorn hololive fanbase hates he more for her performance and ability than her [REDACTED]

>heavy reliance on talking streams and collabs
What? That applies even more to Bae and she went from 10k+ behind Fauna to 3k+ above in subs and literally has the highest total views in council. If anything the issue is that Fauna doesn't do a lot of collabs, and when she does it's not in her channel.

That said, I think that the real problem is that Fauna is boring, with mediocre at best asmr and shit games choices, give it time and I'm sure that Bae and Mumei will surpass her in supas, give a year or two and Sana might even surpass her in subs.

Which is a shame because the design is so fucking good, too bad they choose a boring whore to play Fauna.

>>12972752
Watame's stream numbers took a pretty big hit due to her album recording and concert taking away from her consistent streaming time.
She never fully recovered, but also her streams are mostly zatsus with a backdrop and reading superchat messages. Depending on how demanding they are, 1-...7 hours would be gameplay/singing, which got the 10k, and the rest up till 6-7 hours, the post stream zatsu.

Recently she just cut the middle man and made more straight up "Superchat reading" streams. Which get a lot of viewers for this title, but don't break 10k anymore.

>>12973241
Hate is way too strong a word, i don't see any hate being thrown around for Fauna, as opposed to the Mumei haters for instance.
But Fauna doesn't elicit much of an emotional response. Despite people expecting her to be the GFE/gachokoi grabber.

The only thing i can think of hating about her is that she keeps SC disabled for 80-100% of her SC reading streams... like wth? Let people throw money while they're hype about it.

>>12973325
>>12973538
The thing with Fauna is that she used to have a consistent schedule in the first week and had a good game choice like Spore and MC RTA practice. She had to rest for her teeth and is dialing back on her sched. Collabs is an issue because even if she does it often, she's usually quiet and does not stand out. She has to do small collabs to be noticed. She skipped a lot of MC interactions because she opted in playing MC solo doing her RTAs as well. The only time she played it with people we got the Jokeronii saga and this on-going bit with Kronii which is mainly the reason why people clip her. She's fine. She just needs to talk more in groups and play better games

>>12973538
I hate a lot of things about her actually, like the fact that she does shit speedruns instead of playing in the Minecraft server, for fuck sake the last time she had a stream in the server was like 3 weeks ago when she played there for maybe 1 hour and then spent the following 4 hours on shit speedrunning. Seriously it feels like she hates success of any kind. I don't even know why did she even bothered signing up for hololive, should have let someone that actually wants to succeed play Fauna.

>>12973538
She’s actually competent at games researching solutions and implementing them. But she was also unsure if her fans would want to watch her practice bed nuking the wonder dragon. She’s a Holofan she should know better. Of course they do

>>12973708
>She's fine.
Among council she is was last in sub growth this week, second last in total subs, third in total views and supas, the later she doesn't even reach half of what Kronii gets. In what world is this fine? Even fucking Kiara which is last in subs and views in myth at least gets a shitton of supas, Fauna can't even do that.

>>12973759
>She’s actually competent at games researching solutions and implementing them.
Is she? Because I remember her getting killed instantly in every single fucking round of Amongus and losing hard to Gura in Mario Kart.

>>12973800
About views, Kiara's total views is starting to catch up with Ame's

>>12973856
Being good at something is not the same as being able to improve at it. I can’t imagine anyone else especially Myth understanding and using Render distance and block identification to speed run Minecraft

>>12973800
I'm talking about her entertainment value since most of you keep saying she's boring. She's not boring in the slightest. She's the best at zatsus so far in council. Second is Bae. Her numbers slowed because she was easing down in her stream time. I'm just saying to calm down with your over-analyzations. She's going to be clipped if she does something memey and will be watched once she starts playing games regularly in her usual timeslot. She will still disappear in big collabs because she's not really outspoken unlike other ENs.

>>12973984
>I'm talking about her entertainment value since most of you keep saying she's boring. She's not boring in the slightest.
Do you have any number that shows she's not boring? Because being second last in subs and having the slowest growth this week strongly indicates otherwise.

>She's the best at zatsus so far in council. Second is Bae. Her numbers slowed because she was easing down in her stream time.
Citation on that? Bae has 3 million more views than Fauna and has much higher sub growth.

>I'm just saying to calm down with your over-analyzations.
How about you get the fuck out of the numbers thread if you don't want to talk about numbers?

>She's going to be clipped if she does something memey and will be watched once she starts playing games regularly in her usual timeslot. She will still disappear in big collabs because she's not really outspoken unlike other ENs.
Too bad no one here is a seer, so we have to make do with what we have rather than bullshit "maybe in a month she will stop being super boring and get a zillion subs and views".

>>12973900
Kiara got 5,712,482 views this month, Amelia did 6,150,846, in what world is Kiara catching up to Ame?

>>12972071
Is ShiraKen the largest sub group w8thin Hololive now? All of their collabs have been doing massive numbers lately.

>>12973087
What does Manjisanji have to do with anything?

>>12973911
The point is that she isn't good at games, she is probably the worst amongus player in all of hololive, is mediocre at best in Mario Kart, did absolutely nothing in devour. Calling her good at games is pure insanity.

At the best, you can say she is the least bad speedrunner (nearly 3h is her best time lmao) in holo en, which means nothing because no one else does speedruns so it's literally winning a race with no competition.

>>12974360
Did you forget that Myth or Treat accounts for over a third of Ame's views in the past 30 days?

>>12974382
I thought you "subscriber" group

>>12974556
So fucking what? Does that change that she had more views than Kiara this month?

>>12974360
Stream frequency is different

>>12974382
They have miko and suisei in the group and are a lot more active and consistent recently in comparison to other groups or unit.

2765 watching Kiara " am bee "

>>12974320
Anon. You know that numbers doesn't really define whether or not a person is entertaining right? You are fucking using numbers wrong. What you can only use numbers is to deduce whether or not current efforts are effective to a relative degree compared to her peers. As far as entertainment value. Fauna despite streaming less than has 1.5k clips using #CeresFauna which is the same number of clips as #HakosBaelz even though Bae streams significantly more. Kronii has 3.2k clips for reference. She just needs to stream more with relevant games at her regular timeslot. That's it.

>>12974679
Can we assume that her core audience is around 3k?

>>12974777
Just use JRPG ccv as a reference
Kuso clip can attract tourists.( and 18 sec is too short to verify)

>>12973724

>>12974708
>You know that numbers doesn't really define whether or not a person is entertaining right?
This is literally the argument that 2 views use to make it seems like they aren't a bunch of failures.

>What you can only use numbers is to deduce whether or not current efforts are effective to a relative degree compared to her peers.
That we agree, and the numbers clearly show that her efforts are the clearly the worst in her gen and among in hololive in general.


>She just needs to stream more with relevant games at her regular timeslot. That's it.
Nah, more streamers and a better timeslot might help, but the single most important thing is that she needs to stop being a boring failure.
There is a good reason why she went from second most views at debut, very slightly below what Kronii had to her current state.

>>12974708
>numbers doesn't really define whether or not a person is entertaining righ
In /#/ it does

>>12974927
Which JRPG should be used as a baseline, though? She has played mostly new releases lately.

>>12974320
>>12974992
Relax anon-kun

>>12974994
No, I'm with the other Anon on this. You can be entertaining and fail to get numbers, and you can also be boring and get numbers. What numbers will tell you is simply how many people are willing to watch you, and you can try and figure out the reasons from there.
Timeslot, consistency, content, personality, voice, the algorithm. All of these are incompassed in that set of digits we call CCV and VOD views.

>>12974994
If you're a numbernigger, sure.

>>12975104
No, fuck off. A great design is wasted in a boring whore that can't beat Ids in subs, I will never not be annoyed at that.

>>12975156
Go cry somewhere else.

>Look at thread
How do you objectively count boringness?

>>12975156
Where the fuck do you think you are? This is the number thread you fucking retard, if you don't like numbers you can go back to /uuu/ and spam how you miss the boring whore there.

>>12975284
here? with numbers

>>12975284
Very poorly. One man's boring is another man's comfy. It's why numbers = entertaining is stupid because there are enough confounding factors on TOP of that that only someone genuinely autistic who can't parse 'context' would try and 1:1 them.

>>12975311
Anon. The moment you spouted whore and all other insults her way is the moment you stopped being in numbers. You are clearly using whatever straws you have to justify the narrative you have. It's a slow day so people are responding. Meh.

So first we had Kiara antis, Gura antis and now Fauna antis on these threads.
Pretty funny.

>>12975311
>I don't see numbers in your reply, you need to go back tourist

Let's get back to numbers.
PREDICTIONS ON NUMBERS FOR THE FOLLOWING
Blue Archive shill stream on Mumei's channel
Jackbox Collab on Gura's channel
Earthbound on Mori's channel
FFXIV on IRyS's channel

I do wonder how numbers wise would Holo EN fair next year with all the anniversary they will be celebrating along side a potential Holo EN 3 debut

>>12975527
Mumei - 8k-10k
Gura - 25-30k
Mori - 3-5k
FFXIV - 6-8k
Source: My ass

>>12975527
Gura might get 25k-30k since it is the weekend and it's close to her usual timeslot
Mumei might get 5k-10k. Only Watame is streaming
Earthbound is a 4k-5k
Irys might be 10k. People have been talking about it and there's 520 people in her waiting room right now. Lots of tourist from what I can tell. I'm lawballing her number to her usual 10k because I really don't want her get too much fanfare when she logs in. I don't want it to be painful unlike Pekora's stream.

>>12975641
>>12975681
Bae got nearly 10k in her shill stream with an overlap of Ame/Mumei right? I'd think she could get 15k on it.

>>12975527
Mumei no idea. I'll guess 8k.
Gura at least 20k, 30k possible.
Mori at least 10k. 15k at best.
For Irys, no idea. Most likely over 10k since fans can play with her.

>>12975921
why do you think earthbound will get 10-15k?

>>12976052
Maybe view funneling if Gura's collab ends

Watame still getting 5k at 6AM JP time. Quite a good performance.

>>12975366
NTA, I don't care about roommate shit. Fauna is fucking boring, the fact that she had an audience and it left her so soon hints at her lack of entertaining properties. Many people are disappointed in her potential being unrealized. There is literally nothing bad with her from my PoV but in the same vein there is nothing good or stands out. I find her to be one of the weakest members in HoloEN and the numbers are trending that way. Maybe she won't get dead last but give her a model swap with anyone in HoloEN or other companies and they'd be doing better than her.

>>12976267
That's her modus operandis. For quite some time she used to own that slot, until she got busy with the idol route and shion started squatting on her turf

>>12976052
Mainly because it's a cult classic It's also a rare genre for her.
Also because of her subs.

>>12975366
>You are clearly using whatever straws you have to justify the narrative you have
You must be joking, she went from neck to neck with Kronii in views in their debut to dead last in sub growth this week, second last overall in subs, third in views and supas, the last of which she gets less than half of what Kronii does. Those aren't straws, those are facts.

>>12975921
If Bae can almost get 10k Mumei will get more if she starts pulling gacha.

>>12976379
Yeah, let's put those numbers in context
>pic related
She ranks higher than the Sultan, and also outranks RatGirl, Watame, Kiara, Ame and Luna, along with assorted Nijisanji rifraf.

You may be underwhelmed by her numbers but not because they're small but because they could be much bigger

>>12975580
Very likely Myth will be doing good like usual while still being dragged down by council. To be honest, it will 100% depend on if EN3 is out and how well they do.

>>12976564
Council doesn't really drag HoloEN down. 80% of Council does better than Kiara and Ame. Council just doesn't have a Gura, otherwise they're more or less equal.

>>12976521
That's only CCV and only from last month, she nosedived hard in the last 2 weeks. I strongly doubt she is still above Bae in CCV.

I am so disappointed. $20k? Really? Rushia only has had only one shill stream on her channel and not many outside of it. She doesn't have that much merch and her views are me. Maybe Rushia is fucking poor and doesn't make bank.

>>12976760
What else do the voices in your head say anon?

>>12976799
She's pulling 10k+ CCV on every stream, her median is above 10k. She isn't poor, but she probably could do with more merch to diversify her income streams because right now it is probably the highest %SC of all Holomem.

>>12976832
>being mad that a woman pretending to be an anime character isn't making as much money or is as popular as she should be makes me mentally ill

>>12976878
>She's pulling 10k+ CCV on every stream, her median is above 10k.
If she ain't shilling then what good is that? VoD views and just streaming doesn't make much. SCs matter very little, I doubt Rushia is in the top ten richest holos. More merch and more sponsorships. Getting only $20k is an embarrassment.

>>12976901
it's even more amusing since this shit is just wtf
>nosedived hard in ccv in the last two weeks
In the real world, she's only done 6 public streams in the last two weeks and 3 of them have gone over 10k ccv.

>>12976975
Fair, but the thing is...what would you have her shill? You bet fandead would buy it if Rushia shilled it, so it's either she's not picking them, or sponsors don't want to be associated with a 'yandere gfe' chubba.

>Mumei actually playing the game rather than doing the gacha
Mumei pls..

>>12976760
Anon. You need to be retarded to not know why. There are clear gaps in her streaming frequency lately. Her last stream before her sc reading stream which has SC off was 8 days ago. The stream prior to that was a gap of 4 days. How many times do People have to explain that she just needs to stream more?

>>12977140
>don't do SCS
>suck at shilling
MAKE MONEY YOU OWL SLAG.

>>12976564
>still being dragged down by council.
>>12976657
>Council doesn't really drag HoloEN down.
True, here is the chart of the 30 days rolling median of peak CCV.
>blue is Myth
>red is Council + IRyS
Both are very close, between 9k and 10k

>>12976799

>Maybe Rushia is fucking poor and doesn't make bank.

Anon, seriously...?

>>12977171
She's stalling you scrub. She plays the game, people waiting tabbed out as they get recommended, knowing she'll pull the Gacha.
Now, if she pulls an Ame and just doesn't pull, sure, but just you watch once the the 40min+ mark rolls around she'll start pulling.

>>12976975
Anon. She's one of the few that can survive with SCs alone.

>thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVPT0JT1dOw THE NUMBERS MASON!!

>>12977184
The last 30 days barely had Sana that drags down council average by quite a bit.

>>12977184
How about if you separate Irys on her own and have Myth and Council?

>>12977157
She does more members content than most but it's hard to pull whale gachi with her circumstances. What Fauna needs is 4-5 streams a week at her usual timeslot. She has a floor of 6k but she can get that higher. With her model and head start she should have a floor of 8k already.

>>12977217
>>12977255
She's made only $2,905,378 in SCs in two years. After the Susan and Cover tax that is barely 1 million dollars.

>>12977233
... Looking at her gem rn the best she can do is 1x10 pull unless she whale like baelz, she ain't do the gacha part

>>12977291
It's median peaks. Sana doesn't drag it down that much, Sana's Median is 5.5k. Council's problem is not having a Gura.

>>12977348
I don't think she's retrieved her mail items, she should have more gems than that, unless I misss

>>12977347
1 Mil with just SC. She also has adsense, personal merch and spons.

>>12977348
She hasn't retrieved her mail items yet.

>>12977291
>The last 30 days barely had Sana that drags down council average by quite a bit.
Then walk back as many days as you want in the chart posted to have any 30 days where Sana was in

If Sana had any impact her absence would result in an incline for Council + IRyS in that chart, which obviously isn't there

>Fauna antis outright lie about her numbers to brand her as a failure
>Her numbers are actually solid as fuck
Sigh...
Her ASMR numbers are actually not bad either.
Her first one is nearing 900k views in 3 months.
Her latest 3 are at 398k, 309k, and 278k despite all getting sub-10k CCV and being 1 hour long. She's getting double or triple the views she got during the stream later as VOD views, which is normal for ASMR.

>>12972071

>80,950: Rushia (Hololive)
>46,496: Suisei (Hololive)

why is rushia such an incredible cow cash in the japan, like gura in the western world?

>>12977404
She doesn't shill much, she doesn't have that much merch, and AdSense are peanuts. You can barely find any Rushia merch when you try to buy any. She is in the Lawson collab and the sankisei cafe but the later isn't making her money, it is an advertisement. Rushia isn't doing bad but I don't think she's top 10 in hololive. Her outfit reveal is only $7~ after the cuts.

>>12977460
Probably because Sana's 3.5k stream once to twice a week doesn't really impact much.

>>12976975
>Getting only $20k is an embarrassment.
KEK. Why did you fags even respond to this clown?
This line gave it away.

>>12977523
>>12976799
spoiler not all vtubers are as equally profitable, as in as good marketing themselves to corporations, as others. rushia has the overwhelming numbers, but does she has the business sense to turn those into profit like Kardashians? no? there you go.

though i am surprised if hololive, the professional marketing company, would not help her in making money.

>>12977523
>AdSense are peanuts
I've heard quotes from creators of it being around 500 dollars for a 300k views video* and that was a 10 minutes or so. Not an enormous amount or anything, but holos have hundreds of videos a year, that add up fast.

*Depends heavily on the number of people using adblock of course.

>>12977475
She's not streaming and it hurts her growth. It's true she used to be a solid #2 and now she's fighting it out with Bae for third place. Solid doesn't cut it.
>anti
I just think she isn't doing as best as she can and I don't like her voice. That doesn't make me an anti.

Why did the thread get filled with faggots spouting headcanon?

>>12977505

I mean, outside of being fun to watch, she does the GF yandere thing quite well so people feel inclined to give her SCs and stuff. It helps that she do long session reading them and gives as much attention she can (She call out the regulars in her chat too, which also helps on people being loyal to her)

>>12977704
look who won gold yesterday

>>12977750
Rushia? The most vanilla holo on earth with no schizo fans?

>>12977475
She literally went from neck to neck with Kronii to at best fighting for third place with Bae, how the fuck is this solid?

>>12976760
>I strongly doubt she is still above Bae in CCV.
Here is for the period between Nov 1 and Nov 13 (JST)
>Fauna: 6934 median, 6 streams
>Baels: 5953 median, 10 streams

>>12977668
>It's true she used to be a solid #2
LIterally has never been the case unless you're retarded enough to say that since she got the 2nd highest peak for her debut, she's #2.
Mumei has been #2 in Council since day 2.

>Solid doesn't cut it.
In what world is 7k+ CCV not solid, you brainlet?
Her numbers are "bad" now because someone else in her
gen inclined? WTF

>>12977780
not her fault, it's her company that makes schizos seethe

>>12977822
In what world is 7k CCV solid? 2 views world? Anything below 10k median is a failure.

>>12977780
It means that Niji lost.

>>12977885
KEK. Take your (You) and neck yourself, fucktard.

>>12977885
>Anything below 10k median is a failure.
okay retardbucks finnish guy scandinavian, who probably receives 900 euros from government every month for not doing anything social welfare as long as you want, so you can post here

>>12977822
>In what world is 7k+ CCV not solid, you brainlet?
In a world where that is 2k below the branch median and 3k below the entire company's.

Mumei has done everything in her power to fail save for that one time she took amphetamines and streamed 4 times in a day. It was there for Fauna. #1 could have been there but Cover decided to pick someone who wasn't a numberfag or interest in being the best. Her potential has been squandered. Someone else could have had that model.

>>12977934
JP branch median is like 12k dude, 7k is just sad.

>>12977920
People were cool with Fumi and Luis winning.

>>12978032
Okay Shadow. You should take your meds.

>>12977885
Then Nijisanji needs to unironically shut down then. Let the few breadwinners go on their own as indies and fold the branches up.

>>12978072
Exactly. When Niji wins, the thread is civil.

When Niji loses, they cope by shitting the thread up.

>>12978069
Fauna is in the junior branch though.

>>12978069
>JP's median isn't 12k
>Comparing JP viewerbase to EN viewerbase as if they're remotely similar in size
>Thinking 7k isn't solid
Reeks of newfaggotry. Go back to wherever the fuck you came from, nigger.

>>12978032
>#1 could have been there but Cover decided to pick someone who wasn't a numberfag or interest in being the best. Her potential has been squandered. Someone else could have had that model.
Forget the best she doesn't even seem interested in being successful period. What the fuck is she thinking when doing superchat reading streams with superchat off? Or doing shit Minecraft speedruns instead of playing in the server? It's like she hates money or something.

>>12977304
>How about if you separate Irys on her own and have Myth and Council?
I believe "Myth" and "not Myth" is a better break for HoloEN because a 1 person "gen" will obviously result in an inflated median
>specially for IRyS, which is clearly above the median for either Council and sometimes even Myth by the very nature of "median" and sample size = 1 but here it goes.

BTW, IRyS inclined as fuck, daaaaamn!

>>12978032
>Half the company are failures
Take your meds man, you look fucking retarded

>>12978119
>Then Nijisanji needs to unironically shut down then.
Absolutely, that or get rid of the 150(?) or so failures and keep the 10 or 20 or so success.

>>12978224
IRyS does better than people give her credit for considering she has very little streams where "more popular" Holos aren't overlapping her.

>>12978224
HoloEN is converging on 9k.

>>12978175
jp viewers are far more giving in money, that's the first mistake hololive is expanding into another country in the first place a) they think all other cultures are willing to give the same as a salaryman in Asia gives to his waifu


b) same. their fundamental misunderstanding is that in not all foreign countries, is it man's place to give your wife everything. that is why holo is not that profitable outside asia. it is the fundamental misunderstanding of cultural differences.

>>12978121
Not really. I've seen days when Nijis have won and the thread gets filled with shitposts attacking the lowest ranking Nijis.

>>12978286
>get rid of the 150(?) or so failures and keep the 10 or 20 or so success
Is there even 10 chuubas who average 10k ccv in Nijisanji?

>>12978224
There's no reason why a 1 person gen would lead to an inflated median.

>>12978175
>JP's median isn't 12k
It was in October or fairly close to that anyway.

>>12978367
You think I watch that failure of a company? At least I hope there are at least 10 nijis with 10k median, the company can't be that much of a failure.

>>12978224
>BTW, IRyS inclined as fuck, daaaaamn!
If you look at Irys's schedule, almost every stream is either Minecraft or karaoke. She's had a lot of 10k+s recently.

Her numbers get kinda wrecked in big collabs with Myth, because I think she's a lot of Myth fan's 2nd or 3rd favourite, but overall she's still doing very well.
Certainly far better than what people expected out of a Vsinger and from her first month numbers predictions. (People used to compare her to Edengumi to shit on her and now she destroys them)

>>12978421
>There's no reason why a 1 person gen would lead to an inflated median.
True, but a "1 person gen" will be as strong or as weak as that one person while a 5 people gen will be pulled up by the strongest and pulled down by the weakest, with a midpoint likely below a strong person on her own

>thread was shitting on fauna
>somehow devolve to JP vs EN
I know it was you EN schizo!

>>12978224
So Irys boosted Council from 8.2 to 9.1 based from the previous graph right? That is good consistent numbers

>>12978466
Even this last week though, on that Chillas game she matched Kronii's CCV head to head, and passed her when Ina joined. She matched Mumei, who seems very popular, playing Animal Crossing vs BotW. Last night playing the Korone game did better than Mori, even when Gura joined Mori's VC.

>>12978121
Kuzuha won yesterday, and I got to answer questions about Nijisanji drama and the growth of Hoshikawa and others, and instead of arguing and the kuzu king cope slide etc. anons coming out, it was civil. I wonder why??

>>12978473
I mean, just read the replies, you fuckers are too bored, you could ignored the bait...

>>12978316
>HoloEN is converging on 9k.
The whole of Hololive are converging on 9k

>>12978554
>Kuzuha won yesterday,
No he didn't. Nijisanji Official channel did.

>>12978554
>Kuzuha won yesterday
Meds

>>12977705
makes sense. but I feel she has some extra marketing skills, also.
might have a small degree in economic marketing.

>>12978555
I'm not a resident schizo, I just don't like Fauna's voice and she's mighty mediocre. Her saying no to easy numbers is worth scorn though. If she was a 10k+ liver I would grit my teeth and smile since she was an earner.

holobros...

>>12977505
>why is rushia such an incredible cow cash in the japan
It's not hard to understand
>money goes in
>personalized attention comes out

>>12978692
I strongly agree with you anon.

>>12978702
saddest thing this month still was asmongolds mom dying IMHO. meant everything to him.

>>12978702
Worth a bronze yesterday. Respectable I suppose. Also those dead subs wow.

>>12978702
>30M subs
>would be #3 today on >>12972071
Dead subs?

>>12977505
>Gura
>Cash cow
My fucking sides

>>12978801
chumbud, it reads rushia, not gura.

>>12978692
>I'm not a resident schizo
Great, we have another schizo then. Take your meds and keep your personal emotions out of /#/.

>>12978737
Exactly 1 minute after. Definitely not samefagging.

What video game merch would be best for Cover to put out? A Gacha or VN?

>>12978879
Gacha with VN elements like Princess Connect.

>>12978879
Gacha VN.

>>12978787
Dead subs. Not Anya and Reine tier, but still pretty dead.

>>12978909
>Gacha with VN elements like Princess Connect.
This 100%. Even the PriConne anime was a standalone success even for people that didn't know it was based on gacha
>which would be the same for an eventual Hololive anime

>>12978367
There’s only 4

>Mumei finally gonna do gacha
>says her manager is pushing for it

>>12978873
>>12978737
i agree. nobody "strongly agrees" with incredibly minute things, within a minute no less, except samefagging mentally insanes

>8.4k before Gacha pull
That's not bad actually for Mumei

>>12978879
What would count as video game merch?
If you're talking about figurines, then Cover already does, albeit not fast enough imo.
For peripherals, they're doing Holo PCs (collabs with other companies) and Boobie mousepads lmao
I feel like both do very well, but almost all Hololive merch does very well.

>>12978702
So this is power of 30 million subs…

>>12977475
eh, she's too busy with 'other matters' that i'm sure you are aware of. I have no issue being membered for the specific ASMR content, because I like asmr, but I will never superchat her.

>>12978597
>>12978620
In SC.

>>12979110
I'm kinda sad that Fumi didn't win in SCs too...

>>12978986
Lel, well this is the perfect time for it, just before Gura's collab.

>>12978986
and people say managers don't do anything...

>>12978986
good manager, keeping the sponsor guideline in-check

>>12979144
To be fair, Kuzuha's zatsu is basically his concert "payday" and he had more viewers for the free section of his concert than her 3D live.

This is like comparing Reine's eventual 3D debut to a Rushia costume reveal day. Different worlds.

>>12979144
She did better than people more popular than her in 3D earnings so that is a small win.

SOOO, is there ANY chance AZkI is taking tomorrow's gold?

>>12978692
>If she was a 10k+ liver
>liver
See it's actually nijinigger

>>12979308
No

>>12979281
>>12979263
>>12978986
"with a drunken and tobacco voice through internet meeting"
*hey kid... so... push that fucin´ gambling or whatever, yeah?*

>>12979330
You do know that many vtubers call themselves livers, don't you? Not just Nijis. Even Okayu has called herself a liver.

>>12979330
Why are nijiniggers like this?

>>12979330
Liver is not a Nijisanji specific term ya dum EOP

>>12979308
Nah. AZKi doesn't stream enough for people to have her in their minds, which significantly nerfs funnels and box pushes.

>>12979308
AZKI caps out around 40-45k if there's guests so maybe if there are.

>>12979402
>You do know that many vtubers call themselves livers
>>12979429
>Liver is not a Nijisanji specific term ya dum EOP
It is in this board. One of the biggest "Shibboleths", along with calling a group of debutants
>wave
instead of
>generation

>>12978873
>>12979004
Dumbass. At least try something different than "two people have similar opinions, that, of course, means they are the same people".

> nobody "strongly agrees" with incredibly minute things,
Clearly wrong, I do.

>>12979402
The part you're missing is that Okayu is a nijifag too
So technically, anon is right kek

>>12979564
Why should I care about the botched lingo of this board? People still think you can only have 1 oshi.

>>12979674
> nobody "strongly agrees" with incredibly >minute things,
>Clearly wrong, I do.

not going to believe your VPN post, but why would you instantly agree with such elaborate, minute, detail over something fictious?

>>12979720
>People still think you can only have 1 oshi.
Can we all stop throwing shit at each other for a minute and call this out this retard?

>>12979674
>unironically responds with strongly agree
Jesus christ the quality of posters here has never been lower.
Go back.

>>12979720
I don't know about that but in Rome be like the Romans. If you talk like a Nijisanji fan you will be called one, specially when calling a vtuber a "liver"

>>12979681

>The part you're missing is that Okayu is a nijifag too

The only person on Niji that Okayu interacts with is Shiina and that started because they have the same designer.. Only true Nijifag on Holo is Matsuri

19k for HoloEN

>>12979764
>not going to believe your VPN post
I don't even know how to set up a VPN desu.

>but why would you instantly agree with such elaborate, minute, detail over something fictious?
Because I'm the one that started shitting on Fauna and I am happy that someone else agrees with me? The minute thing was just a coincidence and you two decided to grasp at the smallest straw imaginable.

>>12979776
i mean, the numbers, mason, threads are the worst, with the rats, on average.

Moona just said that Yagoo provides a budget for original songs but the talent has to pay for anything in excess. Covers are entirely paid by the talent though. https://youtu.be/MDzlayOiVro

>>12979429
only nijiniggers uses 'liver'

>>12979981
*Use liver for non Niji chubbas

>>12979953
DONT MAKE ORIGINAL SONGS AND COVERS
jeez. is constantly flooding rapper mori on the -9999999 debt by now?

OMG, only 9k on a gacha stream! Damn, she should just graduate. I give her a week.

>>12980090
*an attempt to normalise the term

>>12979920
>Because I'm the one that started shitting on Fauna and I am happy that someone else agrees with me?
Should've went to /hlgg/ during Fauna timeloop hours for that.
There's no convincing numerical argument that Fauna isn't doing well so you're not going to be getting many anons sucking your dick.

>>12979564
>It is in this board.
Don't tell me you're actually that retarded.

https://youtu.be/af8tuiJG5eg
numbers?

>>12980107
You are talking in retard language. Try again.

>>12979920
>Because I'm the one that started shitting on Fauna

look, fauna, is a soft-talking person. thats it. no funny zoomer gags. thats just how she is.

>>12980211
20k? Is that too much?

>>12980188
>There's no convincing numerical argument that Fauna isn't doing well so you're not going to be getting many anons sucking your dick.
Except of course dead last in sub growth this week, second last overall, third in views and supas, the last of which is less than half of what Kronii does. Fauna is only doing well in the mind of 2 views.

>>12980252
You call it soft talking, I call it boring.

>>12979953
kek, shit is a whole lot cheaper than I thought. 500 bucks, 1000 bucks, the mid to high end girls can pay it with one stream of red superchats.

>>12979308
Maybe if Pekora's stream lines up perfectly and funnels to the live. But I doubt it will.

>>12979920
I was the guy you were agreeing with. I'm really finding this shitstorm funny though.
>>12980252
Her voice still sucks.

>>12979953
I wonder if by “original songs”, she meant official projects (in other words, planned by Cover), or personal projects (i.e: Mori / Suisei’s songs)? Or has Cover decided to be more generous and treat both the same nowadays?
I know that at least several months ago, Hololive talents still had to cover their personal projects with their own money while Cover provide full supports for official projects. Just wondering if anything has changed.

Stop replying to FallenShadow

>>12979920
>>12980394
All me BTW

>>12980453
Fallenshadow is literally a Faunafag now dumbass.

>>12979953
That explains the huge surge of songs recently.
>>12980333
Moona uses ID people from what I remember so it’s cheaper.

>>12980288
I don't know anon. Gura can get 20k by herself, so I suppose a single pov collab on her channel has no way of getting even close to 20k.

>>12980498
Nice try fallenshadow

>>12980418
It's nothing complicated.

They now have enough money to provide a budget for original songs. Changes in policies like this happen once money comes rolling in.

>>12980328
>You call it soft talking, I call it boring.
ever heard of "different strokes for different folks"?
maybe some enjoy, that she is like women of old times.

>>12979773
But it's true. Oshi =/= waifu.

>>12980418
She didn't use any ambiguous term there. Original song = not a cover.
>I know that at least several months ago, Hololive talents still had to cover their personal projects with their own money
According to her, they still do. She says Cover has a set budget for an original song which clearly (based on multiple examples) doesn't cover the cost of a MV better than a slideshow with the lyrics so if you want to do a Aki's Shallys or a Marine's Unison you're footing the extra cost for the animation

>>12980565
Stop getting baited retard.

>>12979953
that explains the flood of og songs the past few months

>>12980328
>Except of course dead last in sub growth this week, second last overall, third in views and supas, the last of which is less than half of what Kronii does.
You're fucking retarded to think she's doing badly just because someone else in her gen is doing better.
Her numbers are good by any vtuber standard.

Stop posting here bruh, only 1 retard agrees with you so just start a private discord with him and jerk each other off.

>>12980659
>someone stating their opinion is bait
Kek

>>12980732
Stop giving the Fauna schizo free (You)s

>>12980659
hey its okay, its just few messages.
>>12980732
>>12980659
>>12980774
but okay these are right.

>>12980637
Maybe that's the reason Gura didn't have an MV for her song and hired an ID to make it. The dude was probably within Cover's budget.

>>12980732
Why does Hololive get special treatment but Nijis are all tanking/flopping/graduation material because there's someone better than them?

>>12980333
the ens has different price of course

>>12980637
That much is obvious but having any amount of money set aside is an improvement over nothing.
I could see why they do it, they want to increase Hololives discography. The bigger it is, the less you have to pay for licensing rights in the future for concerts and whatnot if needed.

Looks like SEA hours came in early today. Also, despite using livers to refer to Nijis myself, it doesn't change the fact that it's a retarded term. Seriously, "liver"? Why the fuck does "Anykara"(really want that BLM audience, huh?) have such a bad naming sense when it comes to their brand. Even Nijisanji, which I won't fault them for, is just too japanese. Instead of changing their company name, they should have just tweaked their brand name like what they did to VirtuaReal. Would've honestly done a hell of a lot more to get their name out there.

>>12980732
>You're fucking retarded to think she's doing badly just because someone else in her gen is doing better.
I like how you can't deny that she is doing badly so you try this idiotic thing, how about you get the fuck out of the thread retard? She is second to worst in council, that is doing badly, period. I don't give a single fuck that niji or other s2 views failure do worse than her.

>Stop posting here bruh, only 1 retard agrees with you so just start a private discord with him and jerk each other off.
Why don't you stop posting here you retard? Go back to your discord if you don't wanna see someone saying bad things about your waifu.

>>12981048
Because it's Japanese, you all use their retarded terms all over this board anyway

>>12980942
Because, a "tanking" Holo still mogs majority of Nijisanji.

>>12980942
Because butthurt saplings can't deal with people shitting on their oshi shit numbers so they do this.

>>12980942
>but Nijis are all tanking/flopping/graduation material because there's someone better than them?
Truth be told there are 10 "livers" and the main channel in the combined top 40. With that said, those 10 are mostly celebrated in this thread and even given royalty names so I don't think your complaint has any merit

>>12980924
Gura is likely not that resourceful, rather than budget constraint. I'm actually impressed at Moona's network, she can pull good animators - namely for Bring it On, Villain and Baddest.

>>12980942
They are completely separate issues.
Fauna gets objectively good numbers so framing her numbers as bad relative to best in her gen is peak retardation. That's like saying Flare getting 10k is bad because Marine and Pekora get 25k+.

A lot of Nijis actually get bad numbers even without comparing to their colleagues.

If you're taking Niji graduation talk from a bunch of holofags seriously, then idk what to say to you.

>>12981181
We use it /here/ but to the western audience that their trying to target, it sounds fucking retarded.

>>12981305
Then go to Japan and change their made up dictionary, idk.

>>12980988
From what I can recall is that Cover would ask the talent to foot the bill first and get a chance of reimbursement afterwards for originals. It's not a guarantee. I think it was Suisei that explained it. I can't recall but from the way Moona explained it, it looks like they are setting aside a fixed budget for OGs that talents can use.

>>12981278
iirc, Gura said she recognize the ID composers name through rythem game, and I think that guy wrote songs for HoloID before

>>12981096
>>You're fucking retarded to think she's doing badly just because someone else in her gen is doing better.
>I like how you can't deny that she is doing badly so you try this idiotic thing, how about you get the fuck out of the thread retard?

lets not be negative and perosnal. business is business. some numbers go up, some down.
specially in showbusiness, some numbers are exceedingly up, some down. this all is completely normal.

>>12981288
>noo you can't take posting here seriously
>takes the faunafag whiteknighting vs schizo seriously
Double standards.

>>12980924
Gura's issue with the MV is that it wasn't done. That's it. It was still a WIP, not sure if it's current status. Gura chose the composer not on cost, but because she doesn't have the same music network as other Holos. Also, she wanted a song that would fit Ina rhythm game, so she remembered a composer from a game that stuck with her, contacted him, and well, there you go.
But honestly unless you watched the stream where she went over the song I can understand why you'd miss this info.

>>12981288
What are bad numbers?

>>12981288
The thing is, there's no equivalent for pekora or marine in council, her comparison is against at best kronii 15-16k nowadays

>>12981499
1-2k CCV, sub-150k subs after 3 years

>>12981499
Zero is pretty bad

>>12981280
Damn, Fauna would be in the 93rd percentile of Nijisanji.

>>12981461
She worked with Reine. That is how I know him
>>12981498
Weird then that she hasn't uploaded the MV.

>>12981378
Even jops don't use "liver" to refer to non-niji chuubas.
>Livers=Nijisanji.
>Holo/Holomem=Hololive
>general chuubas are referred to as "V/Vchuubas" which is the term that has been used since Oyabun coined the term.

>>12981478
Fair enough, I still strongly think that Fauna is a failure and a huge waste of a wonderful design.

>>12981096
>Still trying to push his relative shit after getting BTFO by actual numbers
Stay mad. Get used to Fauna's voice cuz it's not going anywhere.

>>12981499
Anyone above 10k is good. 5000-9999 is not great but it doesn't make me feel bad. Anything under 5k is bad, anything under 1k puts me in tears.

>3.5m subs 5 ENs collab
>only 26k

>>12979564
Yeah, you have no idea about whats going on here. Im blocking your IP messages.

>>12981777
The "feels" thread is down and to the left anon. Look at this list >>12981280 and make whatever point you are trying to make looking at her numbers

>>12981617
How is that bad?
>>12981638
What an astute observation. Have a (you)

>>12981902
I'm behind 7 proxies, nigger

>>12981902
Nijiniggers everyone. Can't even falseflag right.

>>12981901
I did. She had every advantage in the world and is barely in the top 40 between two companies.

>>12981901
You mean her dead last in sub growth this week, second last in sub overall, third in views and supas, the last of which is less than half of what Kronii does? Those are the numbers of a failure.

>>12981897
>>12978702

>>12981945
>How is that bad?
It's good for 2views, but bad for a corporate streamer who has been doing this for years and given loads of promotion to hundreds of thousands by the company.

>>12981840
>Get used to Fauna's voice cuz it's not going anywhere.
You're joking right? Fauna is so damn silent in collabs that you barely can hear her in collab with more than 2 people and I'm not watching her streams so it's not an issue at all.

>Holoen big collab overlap Finana
>Debuff rpgmaker game
>Viewers continue to grow
Are Nijien starting to grow their audience?
Finana is very good lately

>>12982039
>>12982069
You guys are stretching the word "failure" to a point it is meaningless, and using "barely.in the top 40" as if it was not in the top 40.

Being 100% honest, you guys are looking past her great numbers likely because you guys are salty or envious bitches in some way I cannot possible comprehend, so I'll just scroll past and go back to looking dispassionately at numbers without letting whoever got those numbers cloud my understanding of them

>>12982129
>bad for a corporate streamer who has been doing this for years and given loads of promotion to hundreds of thousands by the company.
Like who?

>>12982078
Just because something else exists doesn't make something else worse. Nintendo got 1 million viewers, time to never talk about any vtuber again.
That is how you sound

>>12982796
She isn't going to fuck you.

>>12982823
Probably any of the early Niji livers who debuted early on but failed to break 1k avg CCV.

>>12982794
Ann is one of those popular rpg makers like aoni.
Because the twist at the end.

>>12982796
its cute to meet a fellow sapling in the numbers thread, but the numbers are not for her.
so, you can stop being far right about numbers.

>>12982949
Hey, he might be Eddy.

>>12982949
And you're not gonna amount to anything so...

>>12982796
As someone who bit a few times, it's time to ignore Dumb and Dumber.
Their lives are already pathetic enough that they have to resort to lying about numbers on a containment board to get pity (you)s.

There's actual numbers to talk about now.

>>12972037
Rentarou is best boy.
That is all

>>12982794
No other NijiEN streams now. Still, 1k loyal NijiEn viewers are good enough

>>12983007
>he says, as he posts alongside everyone in the delusional containment thread

>>12982796
She literally went from a debut that was neck to neck with Kronii, the current top 16, to 35 in less than 3 months, that absolutely is a failure. And Kronii is hardly reaching her full potential.

>>12982794
Maybe they're inclining but this number doesn't show that.

Actually it shows Finana completely alone in a slot without overlapping with any NijiEN getting less than half of what she got a couple of days ago head to head with a couple of NijiEN streams and likely a couple of HoloEN streams as well

>>12982963
>Muh Niji boogeyman
So you can't name anyone?

>>12982997
Kek, I need new sides after this.

>>12983076
>says the most retarded person in the asylum.

>>12982949
>She isn't going to fuck you.
>>12982987
>its cute to meet a fellow sapling in the numbers thread
I fap to numbers, sorry mate.

>>12983127
>She literally went from a debu- ... failure
Sorry anon, no matter how many times you repeat that, there is no way you can call
>not being #1
a failure otherwise there is one success and 193 failures in the list at >>12981280.

Now, if that is your meaning for failure, sorry mate, it is not reasonable

>>12983212
I mean. this does exist >>12981280

30k get

>>12983315
>I fap to numbers, sorry mate.
if you would really fap to numbers, you wouldn't really fap to my sapling numbers, friend-o.

>>12983452
The longer it goes, the more people from her usual time slot and any early risers in SEA/JP will be tuning in.

Is there a Fauna schizo now? Is this a thing?

>>12983315
>Sorry anon, no matter how many times you repeat that, there is no way you can call
>not being #1
Good thing I'm not saying that, I'm saying that she should be doing comparable to Kronii, and the fact that she is probably the second worst overall is because she is a failure with a great design.

>>12983460
NTA, but you don't need to be a sapling to call out bullshit about her numbers being bad.
Numbers are numbers.

>>12979981
During V-carnival, didn't Mito refer to them all as vtubers instead of "livers"? And also, aren't NijiEN calling themselves "influencers" instead of "livers"? Maybe they are trying to move away from the term, seeing how fucking stupid it sounds in english and Anycolor wants to go global.

>>12983460
And I don't. I reserve my fapping to the queen, on occasion to the king, the emperor and the eventual outlier.

With that said anyone saying that
>being on the top 40 of the top 2 largest vtuber companies in the world, outranking not only their direct peers but their senpais and even celebrated royalty like the Sultan
is a dumb retard

>>12983452
Welp, that's at least a spot in the top 10 (5?) secured for Holo at least. Any other big streams aside from Azki that might cross 30k today?

>>12983547
Actually yes.

>>12983597
>I'm saying that she should be doing comparable to Kronii
Why?

>>12983621
God I hope so. Or at least spare the EN's having to refer to themselves as "livers".

>>12983352
You're very observant, anon. That list most certainly exists.
Now, can you tell me what makes those numbers bad? And which vtubers on that list have been given hundreds of thousands in promotion?
I trust that you're not a shitposting tribalfag, so I'm sure you can answer my simple questions.

>>12983610
>>12983646
its okay to say she is on the bottom of the top 40 in the world. according to numbers.

FUCKING KEK
>nousagi got too cocky, wanted to show up in their oshi streams, gets banned
>MANY SUCH CASES!

>>12983719
Because in her debut she was neck to neck with Kronii? I think it was like less than 1k difference between them, she absolutely could be number 1 in council if she was more competent, and yet she is somehow the second worst.

>>12983823
for the record i dont mean being top 40 in the world is bad. jus that it is top40 in the bottom end.

>>12983650
Pekora's judgement stream.

>>12983823
>its okay to say she is on the bottom of the top 40 in the world. according to numbers.
It is. #35 for October 2021, even, that's an objective fact

Calling it a "failure" is a subject fact not backed by any reasonable meaning of the word

>>12983719
Because she had similar debut numbers to Kronii's.
Don't you know how this works???????? I'M NOT CRAZY AND SCHIZO RIGHT?????

If this Gura stream was on twitch she would be 7th highest right now.

>>12983852
>Because in her debut she was neck to neck with Kronii?
I genuinely don't follow. You take a sample of one day (a week, 10 days) and want to extrapolate it to the whole lifetime of the data?

That's too retarded even for this barely literate numbers thread.

>>12983909
If that stream was on Twitch the CCV would likely be higher

>>12983839
Good, stupid fuckers deserve it.

>>12983909
Probably higher, twitch doesn't cull numbers as hard as youtube does.

>>12983908
Fuck off retard.

>>12983809
Hey, you're the anon who said to name any Nijis that failed to break 1k avg CCV. Didn't say anything about them being a failure.

>>12983523
Now that you mention that, it's still 8am. Gura's prime usually an hour or two later

>>12983839
Pekora mentioned today that GMs were watching her stream.

>>12983852
1k in what? Bae was the pre-debut favorite. Post debut Kronii was always #1, Mumei #2, Bae/Fauna twinned in the next spot and Sana last. Has not changed since the first week after people heard their voices and got a general idea of their content.

>>12983908
>Don't you know how this works???????? I'M NOT CRAZY AND SCHIZO RIGHT?????
I think you may be, if you think debut numbers are set in stone.

>>12983908
Do YOU know how this works, anon? Might be a good time to take some meds unironically.

>>12984085
Heads up to any IRyStocrats who want to pull the same shit when IRyS plays it. You will probably get banned so don't do it.

>>12984151
Niggers gonna nig.

>>12984150
>>12984136
>>12984024
I'm disappointed you guys didn't appreciate my parody of >>12983852

>>12983896
>It is. #35 for October 2021, even, that's an objective fact
>Calling it a "failure" is a subject fact not backed by any reasonable meaning of the word

yes, i agree, calling it a failure is a nasty, uncalled way to call others. it is not. like calling others retarded on thread.

but also, it is 35, it is on the tail end of #top40 in the world.

both are true.

>>12983839
heh. dont fucking do it, stupid niggers.

>Big collab without overlap
Enbros?

>>12984034
Oh shit, I'm sorry. It doesn't seem you're that observant, after all.
I never asked about the 1k average.

>>12984206
>I was merely joking
Fuck off retard.

>>12983839
it will be funny if IRys received the streamer welcome instead of the usual shitshow

>>12984460
JP steam at a better time than EN does for Europe.

Pretty interesting. Cover songs doesn't cost as much as i thought. And original songs are actually paid, at least partially by COVER.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDzlayOiVro

>>12984460
At least I got one prediction right.

>>12984206
It only means that you're good at copying retards anon. Which might either be a good or a bad thing. I'm not completely sure.

>>12984460
Indeed low, not as kino. If this was trinity, it would likely pull better numbers.

>>12984460
I think that was the highest Holo Mario Party ever, even more than Coco's last one.
UMISEA peaked at 44k.

>>12983809
Not GIVEN, TO. As in, exposed to that many people.

>>12984547
Anon...
>>12979953

>>12984299
>it is not. like calling others retarded on thread.
Is this thread getting linked off site or something? Getting called a retard is the KINDEST insult this thread, board and site can throw over some poor sod. If your feelings are hurt from that I think you would be better of in some milder place, like Club Penguin

Truth be told maybe this site is getting soft and some chemo is in dire need. Now if you guys can take a look at this well prepared medicine that should help you guys prepare for what this place can throw your way
>don't worry, China has universal healthcare
They gave him an aspirin and sent him right back to work the machines

>>12984461
And I wasn't the same anon you were responding to either. I literally just directed you to the post with the data.

>>12984510
Funny enough, when Kiara played WoW classic on stream it was pretty peaceful. Her viewers partied up with her and they quested together.

>>12984547
May be kind of off topic then but it of makes Kiaras bitching about Vsinger support amount to nothing when said support seems to be peanuts compared to what streamers earn, vs the downside of Covers terrible handling of Vsinger music output and promotion.

>>12984619
Yeah, I think it is. Obviously ShiraKen is really strong but you also can't discount the fact that this is a new game and its a much better overally Mario Party game in general.

>>12984460

The line up on the JP one is way more fun

>>12984532
>>12984612
Looks like a cope

>>12984686
kek didn't see that

>>12984740
>The line up on the JP one is way more fun
This is one factor. The collab today was one of the funniest I watched in these god knows many many years watching these chuubas interact.

EN has a handicap too: there is not a series of 20k+ CCV streams "priming the pump" for the big finale

>>12984547
This would be smart of them to do. Cover paying for original songs encourages the talents to want to produce originals instead of covers. That allows them to put on shows like BLOOM which are nothing but original songs. I'm so mad that BLOOM didn't have a live audience since that show was next level. It was so amazing.

>>12984706
westerns are more peaceful in general.
I suspect it is because in western world, the woman/man ratio is more balanced. in china, they sent girls to be aborted for decades, also in India today. also many asian countries today, girls are more aborted.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/684130 Female-Selective Abortion in Asia: Patterns, Policies, and Debates

>>12984767
Retard, learn english

>>12984922
>westerns are more peaceful in general.
kek, only if you don't have voice chat on.
>wanna learn 73 new racial epithets in the span of 4 hours
play a game with voice chat built in

>>12984898
>The collab today was one of the funniest I watched
I say this after every single ShiraKen collab. That group is just too damn good.

>>12984958
English is my 5th language, be patient

>>12984629
I see. So you're saying that someone who's being exposed to a lot of people is a failure if they fail to reach a certain amount of their audience?

>>12984982
>>westerns are more peaceful in general.
>kek, only if you don't have voice chat on.

i mean internal conflict in western world is radically, factually lower in murder cases. northern Europe is like a world paradise considering murder per capita.
did you know there were only 0.5 cases per 100,000 population in norway?

>>12985125
detroit alone had almost 80, just last year, lamo

>>12985125
Japan and Singapore have even lower rates.

>>12985125
>i mean internal conflict in western world is radically, factually lower in murder cases.
I don't want to show my power level in this board but, at least for burgerland, you can split their population using ONE TRAIT into three classes and
>one will have a comparable murder rate with Europe
>one will have a comparable murder rate with South America
>one will have a comparable murder rate with Africa

But showing the cold hard numbers of this fact is enough to get you proscribed, unpersoned and sour the mood so it is not even worth mentioning (which I didn't)

>>12985209
US is not western world

>>12985125
That depends if you count central and south America as western or not because a lot of countries there are huge murder shitholes.

>>12985298
yes, by the support of these VTUBERS, all these artificial "WAIFUS" and culture of never saying anything, rather dying alone. I still think this is all structurally aligned from the highest offices of asian politics.

>>12985402
>That depends if you count central and south America as western
nnnnno. thats their mafia territory. they got actually worse murder rates than africa.

Susan surely got handsy with this whole "culling" stuff. Look at this chart, the third today with the same culls
>pajeet hands manipulated this source code

>>12985436
Nah asians just have lower time preference and are less impulsive in general.

>>12985581
Those aren't really culls, just lulls between games and people tabbing out I guess to wait for the next game.

>>12984460
>Comparing a stream with Suisei and Miko to one with Gura and the midgets

>>12985364
i know. niggers.
asians spend time inside watching vtubers.

>>12985566
Yeah, Venezuela has a murder rate of more than twice what the USA has for example, Brazil is also another murder shithole.

>>12985602
>Nah asians just have lower time preference and are less impulsive in general.

yes. as per societal design.

what the fuck is going on here?

>>12985689
>midgets
>Ame 1m subs
>Ina 1m subs

Yeah, this thread is quickly getting derailed. Let's bring it back to numbers (least people realize a lot of them share the same preference for primary board in this site)
>PREDICTIONS FOR THESE TWO STREAMS
Assume no overlap by Gura, but also make a prediction WITH overlap

>>12985734
fun fact, not africa, but united nations this year called SOUTH AMERICA, for _femicide_
https://www.un.org/press/en/2021/gashc4323.doc.htm
a new term just for killing women, systematically.

"Femicide, Enforced Disappearance Flourish as Governments Grapple with Climate, COVID‑19 Crises, High Commissioner for Human Rights Tells Third Committee"

>>12983547
It's actually FallenShadow.

>>12983547
There's always a schizo for her, but first time seeing it here on /#/

>>12985913
I was looking at FFXIV numbers on twitch, and it's actually not that popular of a stream game outside of Asmon.
The highest stream right now is 6k and even Cohh, who is normally a 10k streamer, is only getting 3.6k for it.
Irys might get 10k tho just because of novelty.

>>12985913
10k+. IRyS is inclining lately

>>12986101
>>12986036
cmon sotp bullying fallenshadow, his dad is dying from covid right now and she is stopping vtubing taking a break. that fauna thing was ages ago, almost years ago.

>>12986036
nah she took her meds
https://twitter.com/fallenshadow_YT/status/1450921747746721792

You retards know that fallenshadow is Fauna fag now right?

>>12985123
Imo, they're 'failures' only in that the bar of 1k, and versus other Niji livers. I know, objectively, that as long as they're getting enough money from various sources to meet their own desires, it's 'fine', but given how big Nijisanji is its disappointing.
Let's not even START with the comparisons against Hololive of 2021.

>>12985913
Even when overlapping, the view funneling will eventually happen. So I think they all can reach 10k, Irys might reach 15k because of the hype?

>>12986249
>his
>she
A-Anon...

>>12986367
are you guys talking about that bitch friend of Fauna?

>>12985913
Earthbound is not a buff game. No VC buff. Overflow from Gura might boost her to 8-9k but average will be 4-5k like normal. She has 990 in her waiting that are mostly her members.
Irys will get 10k simply because it's a new first for her. I doubt there will be funneling here. She also has 990 people waiting but are mostly grey names discussing shit among themselves

>>12986367
Some rrats never die.
People still think PekoMiko rape happened.

>>12986367
Kek. She took her meds and realized she fucked up her chances of going into Hololive later.

Still doesn't mean she can't anonymously be schizo for her here.

>>12986585
>People still think PekoMiko rape happened.
actually believable, same thing as Marine sucking Shion's breast.

>>12986329
>>12986367
She's a menhera anon. And a woman who's prone to jealousy to boot. So it's not that hard to think that she's having another one of her menhera attacks right now while on break.

>>12986625
She is literally doing drawings of Fauna now and you can find her in Fauna's chat, even in the members only.

>>12986746
Do you have any source for her caring about numbers? No? Shut the fuck up then.

>>12986438
>pence approved love.webm
thats incredible united states internal politics niche thing. foreigners: a pence was a vice president, that was extremely against meeting any woman. even outside leaders of countries, if they were women. she said " not without my wife present " , so in his belief, the vice president could never be alone in a room with any woman, like a taliban.

>>12979953
despite of her low sc, she still managed to saving up for covers and giving back to her community, mooner i kneel

>>12986842
Goes to show how little we know about their actual earnings and Streamlabs donations.
Ollie can probably live like a king in ID considering she actually gets SC too, which Indos can't donate with.

>>12986821
>>12986438
naturally, everyone giraphed pence about meeting finland, where, at the time, whole cabinet, from prime ministers to ministers, were women, at the time.

>>12984460
4M subs combined vs shiraken..

>>12986817
>She is literally doing drawings of Fauna now and you can find her in Fauna's chat, even in the members only.

An attempt to get back in Fauna's good graces in the hopes that Fauna forgives her menhera outburst and recommend her for HoloEN.

Still no proof that she can't be schizo about her here.

There will come a day where Hololive manages to consistently fill all 24 hours in a day with streams.

>>12986407
Not the same anon but a lot of the lower end Nijis treat this as a hobby mainly because they can't turn it into their main source of income. Anykara can definitely still profit from their smaller livers since they basically get a cut from everyone but that doesn't necessarily mean that the low-tiers can actually survive of whatever they get.

>>12984706
This is what i expect although she only needs that one hardcore fan to plan the whole streamer welcome for her
>>12986149
>it's actually not that popular of a stream game
Because it's not a good stream game unless you're doing it for the story
>PvP are dogshit
>Raids comprised of 8 people and designed around personal responsibilities
Meanwhile, streamers like Rich, Savix, Pyro, Preach peak their XIV number when reached a certain part of the story