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It's part kansai dialect because of her grandma

>>12859333
Kansai-tohoku

>>12859333
It's not an accent, she's just too lazy to say some syllables. I'm not joking.

It's a Tohoku accent.

>>12859333
doggo accent

>>12859333
Kansai + other accent she didnt want to name + speech impediment

>>12859333
It's the most basic and common accent with chubas everywhere, kansai ben. Korone just has poor verbalization.

The denture cream this stinky old dog uses makes her sound funny.

>>12859420
anon what
that's like texas-canadian

>>12859420
>>12859435
I'm familiar with Kansai-Ben, never heard of this. Like I know Okayu has an accent but she hides it real well

>>12859333
I've barely been listening to Japanese for 15 years and i find her far easier to understand than regular JP, or Tokyo dialect.
Her words are so much more expressive.

>>12859333
*Blocks your path*

>>12859636
Okayu speaks Tohoku-ben naturally. It's incredibly common for people that speak that dialect to hide it. Okayu specifically spent a long time practicing Tokyo-ben and the results are what you normally hear from her today, more or less flawless Japanese. You have to listen real close to hear her leak Tohoku even a little.

>>12859774
I was quite surprised when she revealed her 'untrained' accent. That takes quite a bit of work.

>>12859816
Every time she slips and I get to hear 「なんが」I get a little giddy.

>>12859623
Cope

>>12859747
Miko can also be pretty bad, she kinda slurs her words idk

>>12860073
Why do people who get called out on saying stupid nonsense invariably reply with this word

>>12860193
Miko has a legitimate speech impediment. I struggle more with understanding Miko than Korone.

>>12860193
>she kinda slurs her words
more like she doesn’t even say words in the first place. Miko has so much baby talk that she puts Luna to shame.

>>12859747
I feel bad for her, she gets bullied hardcore by the JP fans who say her japanese is worse than a third of EN.

>>12860417
I would think if it actually bothered her she would say something about it and not be fine with promoting the "Miko Baby" meme.

who the FUCK is kansai ben?

>>12860471
Ben-kun from Kansai. Don't tell me you don't know Ben-kun...

>>12860471
Korone's husband. Me

>>12860417
Nihongo ranking:
Kiara>Irys>Bae>Ina>Sana>Calli>Miko>Mumei>Kronii>Fauna>Ame>Gura

>>12860417
Who has the worst 日本語 out of all the JP members? EN too, I've heard Cali speak it one time cause I don't really watch her and it seemed she was n4 at the very least but people claim she's shit at it. Ina is pretty good too for some reason, gura and ame are average white Americans they could give two fucks to learn it

>>12860664
I find Irys is generally more confident in her Japanese than Kiara these days. Might just be personality differences but I feel like Kiara hesitates more to find the right wording.

I'd also put Gura over Ame just because she's tried to pick up more phrases for collab streams.

>>12860215
Seethe

>>12859333
I feel like I heard she speaks in a combination of two accents. Definitely NOT Kansai-ben alone, because it doesn't sound that odd. Sounds more like somewhere in Tohoku, they get crazy accents up there like Tsugaru-ben which almost doesn't even sound Japanese.
However she also has her quirk where she just doesn't pronounce parts of her words.\
AND lets not forget she exaggerates both the quirk and the accent as a part of her character.

>>12860701
Anon, N4 IS shit

>>12860701
Miko has the worst by far. If you listen to Korone for all of a couple of minutes you understand the "way" she talks and can compensate. Miko is trying to speak proper Japanese but is simply incapable, so you can't really adjust to it. Calli cannot speak Japanese at all, she's not even N5. Ina could be N5-4.

>>12860701
>Who has the worst 日本語 out of all the JP members?
I mean they're all native speakers (I think?), none of them really sound foreign or whatever. Its just some of them have harder to follow accents or weird quirks like Miko's babyspeak. Its like comparing a Scot and a Londoner and asking which has the worst English.

Also I'm convinced Calli plays down her Japanese or something. She's lived there too long to fumble as much as she does.

>>12859747
This girl is made my head hurts. I studied japanese and doesnt understand a single thing what she saying most of the time

>>12860832
You can very easily live somewhere without bothering to speak the language at all. I say that as a Canadian that has to deal with residents who somehow manage to have lived here their entire lives (50+) years without speaking a lick of English.

>>12860803
But calli lives there how the hell can she not speak decently well at this point. My 3 years are completely self taught and I feel like I'm at least n5 or n4, comprehension for sure, reading and talking I'm still garbage. But I've never even been to japan, this bitch lives there

>>12860664
>>12860701
>I've heard Cali speak it one time cause I don't really watch her and it seemed she was n4 at the very least but people claim she's shit at it.
N4 sounds about right, she's not particularly fluent but she sounds like she could just barely get by and communicate. Mind you N4 is not that great.
Of the current people that seem like they're making an effort to learn I'd say Kronii has it the worst, she's definitely barely starting out and while her pronunciation seems to be great for certain practiced phrases she does not have even the most basic grasp of grammar.
Ina is probably better than she actually performs, she seems to be shy and doesn't actually talk too much, but seems to pick up on most of what she hears. Bae's on the otherside of the spectrum of that, kind of awkwardly stuttering and getting stuck places but definitely going full chatterbox despite her vocab seeming to be lacking.
I haven't actually seen enough of Sana to tell you how good she is but she at least seems a step above calli.
Kiara likes to pretend she's better than she is and has admitted to it, she's probably below Irys.

>>12859333
Uncanny granny moe voice.

>>12860929
>>12860903
Modern world has too many resources that allow you to disrespect other people's culture and get away with it.

>>12860969
The top three are Irys(almost native level)>Bae>Kiara. Bae is ranked above Kiara because JP members have commented on how she actually speaks to them respectfully on top of actually being fluent.

>>12860903
What else do they speak? As far as I'm aware it's English and French in Canada. What is it, Indian and Asian immigrants who never speak English?

>>12861053
>Bae is ranked above Kiara because JP members have commented on how she actually speaks to them respectfully on top of actually being fluent.
Source on that?

>>12861089
English and French are the official languages here. I live in Toronto so Greeks are actually the worst offenders but yes more often than not Indians, Muslims, and Chinese will spend their entire lives here not bothering to learn English. They form their own ghettoes that are basically little colonized pockets that contain only people from their country there.

>>12860215
>get called out on saying nonsense
>reply with buzzword
Do you not know what a bait is?

>>12861163
Its pretty obvious if you listen to both of them speak Japanese.
Personally I also have a problem of not speaking formally/respectful enough. I learned informally by just living in Japan so I never really got formal study with respectful/dictionary standard forms maybe Kiara is similar or she just doesn't care.

Like other anons have said it's a combination of Kansai (where she grew up) and Tohoku (where her grandma and likely other family is from)
As for others, Okayu is from Aomori, Watame is from Kyoto and Noel is from Saga, all generally speak in standard dialect but occassionaly slip into their native speech. Not sure of any others off the top of my head, but all of this was said on stream, no rule 1 violations are in this post janny-kun

>>12861265
Kiara not being too respectful and acting forceful is pretty on brand with how she acts normally, so it does make sense she is that way in Japanese too. It might be a cultural thing, Europeans tend to be very forward and blunt in a way that doesn't really go well with Japanese people.

>>12861265
>I learned informally by just living in Japan so I never really got formal study with respectful/dictionary standard forms maybe Kiara is similar
She's exactly like that, her official story seems to be that she just tried copying people online and pretended like she was fluent as long as she could until she eventually got a job in japan. Once there though, she realized her lack of knowledge of formal speech fucked her over a lot and she didn't know how to be properly respectful.

>>12861302
I want a rural Japanese gf bros....

>>12861384
>>12861385
Interesting. Well even given that I still find her Japanese impressive. I knew literally just one foreigner myself who had mastered formal/respectufl Japanese he lives there forever so I guess he had to.
Luckily I am a very clearly American and with that comes the idea (within Japan) that I am going to be loud and informal and clumsy so I was normally forgiven like "Ahhh that Gaijin-kun for you!" and also I am a Japanese history/culture nerd so I get a pass for having a "Yamto-damashi" as well.

>>12861053
>on top of actually being fluent
Depends on what you mean by fluent, she can keep a conversation going but she often says things wrong, but in a way that still gets the meaning across
Your level of respectfulness probably depends on how you learned the language, if you learned in a classroom you're more likely to always speak politely

>>12861429
get in line fag

>>12859333
>literally country girl accent in Japanese
>can't read kanjis
>try to act like a yankee
>pretend to be a yandere
I'm really starting to picture Korone as a random farming girl that went to the city and is trying too hard as a result.

>>12861547
If you have even surface-level knowledge of Japanese culture you should understand that being respectful is actually important and speaking keigo properly lines up with that. The JP members went out of their way to mention that Baelz (le chaos rat character) actually speaks keigo to them while Kiara has never once bothered. It left an impression on them in a meaningful way. Even though it's not part of my culture and I'm learning informally I still use honorifics when referring to someone in Japanese because that's how their language works.

>>12861535
Yeah, I learned Japanese in Europe from a private teacher. Actually got pulled aside a few times and asked to not say things certain ways anymore after naturally gravitating towards them because Japanese people less familiar with local directness would get appalled.

At least I learned that from Japanese people living here and understanding the general cultural differences though.

>>12859333
God dog accent. Part Kansai grandma, part lazy vocalization, part ???, all cute.

>>12861302
Noel isn't from Saga but you are close
You are right about Okayu
No clue about Watame

>>12861650
You should also understand that compliments from Japanese people rarely mean anything

>>12859816
Links?

>>12860664
Is Sana really better than Mori? Mori seems to be able hold a basic conversation in Japanese with JP members while Sana is just more or less saying a few simple phrases when she interacts.

>>12860664
Anya??

>>12862053
>Compliments from an entire race of people don't mean something just because I say so
Go back to your general.

>>12860929
There's a expat bubble in Tokyo you can easily fall into. A few of them will actually be able to speak Japanese and can help with anything complicated (interacting with government documentation/landlords ect) the rest can get by with a few phrases for navigating trains, buying food ect.

>nothing personal, nnnnnnnnnNNNNNNNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>12862100
I don't actually have that much knowledge on Sana's japanese, the only time I've heard her was a single collab with bae and pekora on minecraft, even then she sounded more or less equal with Calli to me.
>>12862140
That was an EN ranking, if you notice I didn't include any IDs. It'd be more or less the same Issue with Sana since the only one I have a grasp on is Ollie. I don't know exactly how good Anya's or Reine's japanese is. I only have a superficial impression of Iofi and Risu too, Moona seems to be around the same as Kronii though.

>>12861053
Has Bae ever said how she learned Japanese? Kiara is mostly self-taught from the internet + eventually living in Japan after she already knew Japanese. Might be why she speaks a certain way and can't really break it at this point.

>>12860724
Kiara knows how to speak JP, but she barely passes her JP cultural awareness, and she gets plenty backlashes from it because her proficiency is not bad enough for her 'mistakes' to draw appreciations. Her German's straightforwardness clashes with the JP's reserved demeanor. And she notices this. Hence why she pauses herself at times to alternate between DE mentality and JP mentality properly.
IRyS is a natural, but her vocab is stuck at the elementary level.

>>12862217
Iofi and Anya are fully fluent.
Ollie is faux fluent.
Reine can respond but cannot hold a conversation.
Risu I'm not sure, I think she's faux fluent.
Moona cannot.

>>12862273
Tutor probably

>>12860929
Pretty much what >>12862192 said, Japan is a country that can be pretty alienating outside of the expat bubble in the big cities even if you do speak the language (unless your partner is a local), and Mori is peak "American expat in Japan" in terms of personality anyway. Also, it's more profitable and enjoyable for her at this point to concentrate on streaming and music production and use her time off to relax than it is for her to go back into overwork mode or cut streaming time down again to work on her reps. If I were in her shoes I wouldn't bother either.

>>12859747
Cries in Spanish.

>>12860701
Calli is N3 on a good day, any other day she's N4

Just look at the fucking trash taste group and specially cannur. Motherfuckers have been living there for years now and they can't hold a fucking proper conversation yet. They have to get carried by the Aussie.

>>12862512
No reason to learn the language if you only ever interact with fellow expats
No idea why anyone would wanna do that though

>>12859333
How do you people claim to love this dog, but you don't even play Minecraft...?
Infinity get.
>mfw
>fw
.w

>>12862512
Anime guy only ever learned because he's part Japanese and felt immense shame about not actually being able to speak it. White English speakers have no shame about not knowing other languages and are taught from birth they will never need to speak another language in their entire lives except maybe if they go on vacation. I actually give Mori credit for even trying. Gura, Ame, Mumei, and Fauna are unlikely to ever put any real effort into it.

>>12862631
>mfw infinity.
>mfw
O)_(O

>>12862303
>Ollie is faux fluent.
What does this mean?

>>12861980
Oh right Oita wasn't it? I always get the Kyushu prefectures confused. I don't have any clips for Watame but I definitely remember her saying it in a mengen before.

>>12862877
Ollie is fluent in Japanese in the same way Moona is fluent in English.

>>12862907
Correct.

>>12862192
I did this. Moved to Japan to try chase my dream of living and working there after coming into a relatively big sum of money shortly before leaving college.

Ended up miserable for 17 months due to the language barrier being too hard for my dyslexic ass to overcome leading to me being socially isolated outside some fucking weird expats who frequented a bar I went to a lot and my direct neighbours in the apartment block I lived in. Nine years on I can barely speak any of what little Japanese I learned besides stock phrases used at konbinis and the train station.

>>12863059
Unless you're actually dyslexic there is really no excuse to not be able to hold a conversation after 9 years.

>>12863191
I am genuinely dyslexic but also I left after less than 1.5 years, it's been 9 years since I returned home from Japan

ITT: people who don't know a lick japanese rating other people's japanese

>>12863728
I can't judge anyone beyond my own level, I'm not even gonna pretend to be better than iRyS or Kiara. But I can certainly say Calli's not up to par with the rest of the EN japanese speakers.

she talks like a fag and her shits all retarded

>>12862976
Moona's fluent enough to get by. She knows enough she could live independently in the US. her pronunciation is just goofy sometimes. Is Ollie really at that level of Japanese that she could go to Japan and be fine? I figured she was more at Haachama's level, where ordering a cheese pizza becomes an ordeal.

Who has the best English out of JP aside from EN0 Haachama?
Subaru isn’t perfectly fluent but she certainly can now hold English conversations with even Ame at this point, so I’m assuming she’s up there.

>>12863412
Don't feel too bad, language is a use it or lose it thing. I took Spanish for 5 years and got straight As and I can maybe order a beer or ask where the bathroom is nowdays.

>>12864366
Not counting A-chan? Korone, although she might have regressed since she doesn't seem to ever use it.

>>12859774
It's not a matter of "hiding" it, and it's not like Tokyo-ben is ""flawless"" japanese either. People learn 標準語 (which is probably what you meant by Tokyo-ben, although they're not the same thing) because Japanese dialects have a lot of things going for them (not only accent, but different particles, words, etc), so having a standard is useful. Although there's some level of prejudice when it comes to certain dialects, people don't use them mainly for practical reasons. Why would you stick to speaking in a way that only the people from your region can understand?

>>12864281
Ollie's language skill is actually extremely good, she understand how to make the absolute most of the amount she knows. So she way outexcels Callie or members who are just ok at Japanese or even know more Japanese than her but suck at conversing in a different tongue. Whether she'd be good at a Japanese test idk, but Ollie could be plopped in Japan just fine, even if she only catches 80% of what's said she can apply that 80% to the point that no-one would notice that she didn't understand 20% of it. She's exceptional at holding a conversation.
t. i watch ollies japanese collabs occasionally and her birthday totsumachi

>>12866228
Did you watch the Among Us collab where she couldn't keep up?

>>12864029
I heard she's a pilot now.

>>12860701
As someone currently between N4 and N3, Calli is solidly N3, probably more like N2.5.

>>12861429
go rewatch NNB again, anon