/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I am I'm just slow as balls at it
Remembering kanji is hard bro even with anki

NO!

FUCK YOU

I don't need to. All the Vtubers I watch speak English

>>1276579
Yes Dolly-sama

But not from you.

>>1276579
unironically helped me a ton in my JAP001 class.
Thanks cure dolly!

>>1276579
I'm working on it. By the way, this bicycle is 3000 JPY.

>>1276579

>>1276579
Watching this babiniku won't help, but reading more will.

>>1277523
>babiniku
retard

>>1276588
Kanjidamage
It’s all you need

Lernu Esperanton.

>>1277523
finding out why she's actually female is scarier

haha yellow woman

>>1284204
What do you mean?

>>1276579

>>1276579
It's so understand her because she sounds like an AI trying to mimic a human's voice using a theremin.

>>1284414

https://vocaroo.com/1iUYh9H0IccN

>>1276579
Is the spanking cult rrat true?

>>1287133
fuck off duke

>>1276579
After Armenian, sure why not.

>>1287133
based

>>1287133
based

>>1287211
spanking cult?

>>1287133
I don't remember this being in the Pimsleur lessons.

>>1284204
I am interested but terrified. So please spoonfeed us.

>>1287133
>Geoff Richards
>下痢

>>1287211
id spoonfeed you but I want anyone who replaces narrative with rrat to be decapitated so srry :/

>>1276579
she scares me

Is she real?

>>1284474
If you meant "it's hard to understand her", that's what the subtitles are for.
>>1292784
Good.

>>1286820
I'm sickened but curious

oh hey its the spanking cult lady

Her background is really interesting, it's kind of sad there will never be a complete picture of it.

Cult? Background? Spanking?
Someone please elaborate

>>1297206
She's a member of a BDSM club in Japan and uses a voice-changer so people can't accidentally find her. She often uses dolls and Alice in Wonderland-related safe words as fetishistic points. She's the head domme of the spank cult, where men spend hours to be spanked by her or her cronies. I wish I was joking.

>>1297318
now THIS motivates me to learn japanese, thanks anon

>>1297318
Why do you act like this is a thing we DON'T want

0がspankingしている

>>1297318
I will now learn your language.

>>1292226
>being buttblasted over lingo
based schizo

>>1284474
Sometime it's hard to tell if she has an English or Japanese accent, but other wise she's not too hard to understand at all. The only real issue I have is with the old lady voice filter.

>>1297318
This is total bullshit. The real rrat is even crazier so I don't know why you would even make this up.

>>1276579
I wish she would change her voice, its not pleasant to listen to and is hard to understand.

My guess is she is a guy so she uses that gargled voice to hide it.

>>1287133
where is the vocaroo of this guy fucking a can of pringles?

How do you even learn a language. I have really bad brain fog and struggle to absorb even normal information sometimes, I can't even imagine trying to pick up a language. My understanding of Japanese is as basic as the regular weebs, but anything past that just flows right through my brain and I can't recall it. Is it all just repitition??

>>1298857
I have bad brain fog...Do not compare yourself to people who can bulk memorize, they are the minority.

The trick is more to familiarize yourself over time to trick you brain into thinking its important information. (ie you may not remember random names, but if you see your coworker everyday it will start to stick in your head)

Lets say your learning げんき(genki)

Day 1, You review the card, you keep testing yourself until you can get the answer.
Day 2 review again, you have forgotten entirely, you review again until you can get the answer
Day 3 review again, I think it was ginke?, nope review again
Day 5 you have finally gotten it right.

Here is the trick.... You need to review it again 1 week & 1 month after day 5. Your brain will then put it into long term storage.

>>1298462
That much nicotine would kill you

>>1298473
https://vocaroo.com/17cPiBdFkNlZ If that's really Duke back from the dead

watashi wa kira dess

>>1299456
Interesting. Thank you for the information, anon.

>>1298011
yep, ill continue to be mad about it as well

>>1299744
well good luck with that rrat

>>1276579
>hey let's create a new letter for every word
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea?

>>1300049
the chinese

>>1299580
You tell your brain that this information is important by exposing yourself to it repeatedly, so that it's not discarded.
Knowledge sticks longer if you review it right before you would otherwise forget it. You can do that at fixed times like the other anon suggested. There are apps and analog methods, too.
Forgetting in this case means you no longer have easy recall of the information, not that the knowledge has left your brain.
Spaced repetition can be very powerful,

>>1299526
Thanks anon

>LiveTL exists
>They TL for free
No, no.. i don't think so. I'm going to keep focusing on my work reps while some rando in the livestream chat does reps for me.

>>1276579
I only have a basic understanding. But doing full on convo's and jokes? Forget it.

How do you actually start learning vocabulary?
Should I just do anki or start reading and looking up words?

>>1299925
that isnt used in the context of replacing the word "narrative" so that one doesnt bother me. Thanks for the good luck though

>>1302099
yes
https://youtu.be/Fvhcvp9Y9eo

>>1302099
anki, get one of the core vocab decks, and then after you got a couple thousand words down, start sentence mining for your own deck.

>>1302099
I personally use a mix between kamesame and looking up vocab of words that I encounter in media I consume.

>>1300156
>Knowledge sticks longer if you review it right before you would otherwise forget it
It is less about being more effective and more about being less effective.

>>1298430
>>1297318
>>1297023
who is she, this is scaring me

>>1300049
English has the same problem of having a new spelling you have to remember for every word.
>>1300156
>Knowledge sticks longer if you review it right before you would otherwise forget it
It's less about it being more effective, but rather being more efficient. If you keep reviewing cards you know well, then you are wasting time by reviewing them.

>>1302948
Brace yourself for arcane knowledge anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=038XbIVr69E

>>1303054
>English has the same problem of having a new spelling you have to remember for every word.
And it's still not even near the same level of retarded nonsense that is kanji.

>>1303350

>>1287133
>Naming yourself "diarrhea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3hxVnKUrHU

>>1300049
Yeah if you think about it mayus has absolutely no practical use. None at all, purely aesthetic bullshit just like the modern education system.

>>1303350
thats creepy but not much more than a lot of children channels on yt

>>1303350
What the fuck is this? What kind of rabbit hole am I stepping into? I'm scared

>>1304743
>>1304900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDfq4bHybTA

It's only the surface.

What anime have you been slowly and painstakingly watching with Japanese subs? For me it's Amagi Brilliant Park

>>1303350
I'm gonna have nightmares now

>>1298857
>I can't even imagine trying to pick up a language
anon you are speaking a language right now..

>>1304986
thats incredible in many ways (fascinating, terrifying), i think she just became my favorite vtuber

>>1302812
Is kamesame good?
Never seen anyone talk about it

>>1308066
It works well for me, though it doesn't really teach the words. It does include links to example sentences, image search, and such when you get a question wrong. It doesn't show you the pitch accent, but I jush have yomichan give it to me.

>>1299456
>げんき
>not 元気
You're shooting yourself in the foot if you're not learning kanji.
The rest of your advice is totally sound though. I recommend a computerized flashcard system like Anki or wanikani. That way you don't have to worry about when the last time you reviewed a card was, and if it isn't sticking you get more repetition

so what's the difference between this and tae kim?
also what's with the fucking voice? intentional elitist filter?

>>1308371
Agreed.
If you skip your Kanji reps you're not gonna read anything anytime soon.

>>1308888
Dolly explains some concepts in ways that are intuitive and makes it clear why certain things are the way they are in ways other resources don't. I was filtered by the voice but after powering through had a bunch of genuine "aha" moments that helped me when using my other resources (Tae Kim, etc.) As I ended up with more of an understanding of why things are rather than just "that's the way it is just sorta practice until you remember the arbitrary rules and exceptions" you see in so many Japanese guides.

>>1276579
>android
>teaching organic language
This is the gag, right?
Also reminder to install Yomichan because it makes encountering japanese on the web 10 billion times more fun to pick apart

>>1308888
tae kim tends to oversimplify things without telling you why the grammar works sometimes, he also outright gets certain things wrong which fucking sucks when you have to look up a different resource just to relearn it. dolly's explanations have cleared up a lot of confusion that I had when I first started reading. I have no clue what's up with the voice either

>>1311908
Currently going through Tae Kim right now and you've got me worried. I noticed he oversimplifies but what does he get wrong?

>>1312951
Not that guy, but it's not that he gets anything wrong, my problem with it was always that it really lacked more examples. The thing dolly teaches that really made me think differently about how i think about grammar is that there really isn't any "conjugation" in Japanese like you do with other languages, it's all just taking verb stems and adding auxiliary verbs to them, so all those "conjugations" you learn like れる られる ます させる are all actually just verbs. It really doesn't change anything if you know that but I would have preferred to understand it that way from the beginning.

>>1308371
Totally agree but i usually assume 90% of weebs can understand hiragana & not kanji

>>1312951
easily the most egregious thing that he gets wrong is は and が unfortunately
cure dolly actually has a couple of videos on what tae kim gets wrong, if you look up "cure dolly tae kim" on youtube I'm sure you'll find them.
Don't worry too much though, his explanations for almost everything else are close to correct. The only problem is that he's not comprehensive enough. when you start reading, you may have to refer back to the DoJG or imabi for usage of grammar you're familiar with that he never fully explained, for instance he completely skims over passive verbs.

>>1304900
Wait a minute that picture...

>>1314125
Dolly's video for いい加減 was what made me a fan but I haven't really checked all of her stuff, I just watch her occasionally.

>>1314951
Ah, gotcha. I've been reading for a while now, I started on Tae Kim a while ago but couldn't stand his style where he just dumps a bunch of words and rules in a row so I decided to see what I could absorb by playing old games in moon. Came back to Tae Kim now that I at least know the vocab and some grammar and am powering my way through it. Thanks for the other resource suggestions.

can you just mute her video and read subs instead?

>>1276579
Fine. But I'm not learning to write or read!

>>1318654
>not wanting to read untranslateable eroge

>>1323086
>what is hook & ATLAS

>>1297318
>>1303350
>>1304986

>>1304986
>Tanit
Get that satanic canaanite shit outta here.

>>1276579
Why don't the Japanese just learn more syllables?

If I understood more Japanese, I'm sure that I would appreciate more chuubas. Now I'm at the level when I can somewhat understand one jop chuuba if she talks reasonably slow and clear. Fast-talking, accent, rants or job chuuba collabs are just overwhelming.

I'm doing mobile app daily reps on top of dozen of years of subbed anime experience, dunno where it will get me but I'll stick with those.

>>1325348
I'm at that level myself.
Okayu ASMR streams are relatively easy to understand for me at least.

>>1304900
Okay but actually what is her deal? It's like stumbling upon some old lady Chis Chan tier autism except she's actually competent at language teaching.

>>1331231
Just some weird English lady that's into linguistics and ass spanking.

>>1331231
She's a new-age mother goddess spiritual leader/ LARPer going back over 40 years who got really interested in precure in the 2000s and then shifted most of her attention to learning Japanese.

>>1303350
This shit is even worst than Sayuri Musume. I want out!

>>1276579
>no money
>also mentally poor
why even bother lmao

>>1276579
So she is Miss Martindale?

>>1332437
No

>>1297318
where do I sign up

>tfw translating an 18 minute joi with my shit japanese but above fluent/native syntax english
>it took me ~3 hours to accurately transcribe, contextualize, translate, and interpret about 1 minute of speech by ear
>can't go off of kanji for homophones with like 10 different translations
i fucking hate how strong my boner motivation is, but goddamn when this is done with all the side-by-side edits of her getting lewded throughout and a few facials at the end will be worth it.

>>1340197
boner motivation is a good way to learn a language

>濁っている must translate to English as "be cloudy"
>but in Japanese it actually means to exist in a state of cloudiness so it's different
Lady that's exactly what "be cloudy" means

>>1344326
idk what the context is but you can simply say "its not clear" which means 濁っている and should use such a simple expression.

>>1344408
Her point in this video is simply that there are many action verbs in Japanese which translate to states of being in English, and thus cannot translate perfectly. I just found it a tad pedantic

>>1276579
Genuinely thank you for putting me on to this chubba OP. Easily the best japanese grammar resource I've encountered to date, and it isn't even close.

>>1304986
>that interview from 12 fucking years ago
goddam
I'm forced to assume that is her.
frankly those JP lessons are so good I'd let her spank the shit out of me

>>1345578
Wait never mind she's very clearly some kind of lesbian.
Would explain how she got put on to weabooism

Japanese is a useless language after you are done with the weeb shit it has 0 use

>>1345635
Don't tell anyone I said this, but I think the 3D JP girls are pretty cute too. Also living in a first world country would be cool

>>1345656
If you plan to live in Japan then its fair I honestly think the language doesnt have that many uses

>>1345635
objectively wrong. no matter what language you decide to learn there will always be great content to consume. books, movies, music, etc

>>1345677
If you're a native english speaker, you've kindof struck the motherload in terms of practical languages. I like Japanese media, people, and their country. Can't think of any other language that comes close for me

>>1345699
>>1345709
I was thinking of the practical use I think spanish or mandarin would be better but if you are still gonna keep consuming JP media even after you are like 40+ years old then its good to learn I guess

>>1345750
>spanish or mandarin
literal useless languages, chink. unless you live there

>>1345635

One of the main reasons I want to learn it is that if you exclude anime, 99% of Japanese TV never gets translated. There's gold there, just waiting to be revealed to the world.

>>1345769
Kek we are gonna be all speaking it soon better learn early

>>1345787
Fair I was looking into it as a long term thing if you plan to continue consuming JP media for the next 20+ years then go ahead I personally dont see myself consuming JP media for that long

>>1345750
practicality is solely determined by how you personally decide to use it. if you're talking about making money, then RIGHT NOW, if you know japanese and like vtubers, you could be making money having a clipper channel
other than that, im sure there are business opportunities if you look for them

>>1345750
>spanish
>mandarin
Not being able to understand those squabbling peasants is a blessing.
I've been to Japan and I've been to Mexico, and I can tell you where I'd rather live

>>1345846
i dunno how old you are but 15 years ago i used to think the same and.. well here i am, for better or worse

>>1276579
Nah

>>1345849
Good points maybe saying this
>>1345635 was rash of me but learning a language only 1 country speaks makes it a niche thing for me

>>1345867
Im 21 maybe my views will change but thats how I see it to be honest

>>1345846
modern western media is absolute garbage and getting more and more repetitive or woke. i dont think they will ever be fixed. its only getting worse.

When confronted with their own mediocrity, some people will (rarely) decide to improve themselves. Others will simply accept it and move on.

For the most part, though, they won't be able to handle it, so they're going to become extremely defensive and essentially throw a temper tantrum. They will find ANY excuse to never change anything. Like :
>We're about to enter an age of perfect instantaneous translations anyway!
>Why would I learn this? This isn't even a useful language, like (lists a bunch of other languages they're never going to touch in their lifetime)
>I'd rather dedicate my time doing something productive. I mean I won't, and I'll keep browsing 4chan 10 hours a day, but you know.

As the number of people who feel motivated to start a new language increases, as is the case on /vt/, so does the number of people who feel "left out" and need to justify themselves. Of course, people for whom japanese is legitimately not interesting and not a good choice wouldn't browse /vt/ in the first place. So you're left with the contrarians, who need to feel morally superior at all costs. It's sad.

>>1346247
>We're about to enter an age of perfect instantaneous translations anyway!
We are. I learn it because my oshi learns English earnestly and because might as well go all the way after dozen years of subbed anime I understand much of the speech anyway.

>>1346524
>we are
I can see you haven't spent much time using DeepL or google translate

>>1346611
I see you're under survivor bias and don't remember how bad jap\chink MTL was years ago.

I also see that you don't understand the difference between neural network and MTL and why is that the latter was shelved for more than 50 years, only now making a huge comeback.

>inb4 muh context-heavy language
It.would.not.matter.
With cheap computation performance, enough money and coming spike in commercial quantum computing, you will never have to precise tune neural network AI to translate japanese.
You could just shove millions of translation examples into MTL to the point nothing you show to it would be new or unexpected.

Principles of MTL, or machine learning, were developed in the 60s-70s, but did not have a chance at commercial market because if expensive computing performance.

If you don't know how to create a neural network finely tuned to translate japanese - that's fine, you don't have to: just get a lot of computing power and set up MTL.

TL;DR: in 2021 you should only learn Japanese for fun or to reciprocate your oshi effort.

>>1346660
Almost replied seriously to this post before

noticing

the

bait

>>1346714
no idea what you're talking about and no, you didn't win by making me type longer reply, I enjoy putting elitists fags like you back into your place

you're learning increasingly useless skill and can have no respect for it

unless you do it for your oshi

>>1346660
>and coming spike in commercial quantum computing
1. Quantum computers are a meme and it is unknown if it will ever be better than classical computers except in a few specific niche use cases.
2. Quantum computers would not make training / using neural networks faster.
Additionally, there are complications like are not solvable like missing context. For a language like Japanese this can be quite the problem. Languages are constantly evolving so you would have to wait until your model gets updated before you could understand / use new slang.
Even if you were given a perfect translation, you might be unable to unable to understand something like jokes not making it through translation or other things because you do not share the same cultural knowledge.

>>1346740
>replying seriously to buzzword salad wikipediaposting with reddit spacing

>>1346740
>better than classical computers except in a few specific niche use cases.
Classical computers were also solving very specific tasks and had niche use cases. Before they were adapted for broad range of tasks.
>Quantum computers would not make training / using neural networks faster.
You still don't understand the difference between machine learning and neural network, do you? ML is Big Data that makes decision based of quantity of provided examples, very performance intensive. Neural networks are systems that are fed input and tuned to provide specific output until results are acceptable.
>For a language like Japanese this can be quite the problem.
No. It would not be a problem because ML would have a giantass database with completed translation examples to derive the result from. It DOES NOT CARE about missing context because same context was similarly missing in big portion of it's data set too.
>Even if you were given a perfect translation, you might be unable to unable to understand something like jokes not making it through translation or other things because you do not share the same cultural knowledge.
That is only if you never update your ML database with TL pairs.

And here we are, you are using cutting edge slang to defend your point again: it's a very dumb move anon.

Because unless you're neck deep into teenager slang cesspits, like discord on the west, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THAT SLANG AS A N2 EITHER.

>>1276579
yeah i will

I want her to spank me.
I dont care that she's in her early 60s.

>>1346799
Your understanding of computers is on par with movie directors in the 80s

>>1346740
>you might be unable to unable to understand
So you'd be able to understand it?

>>1346828
>>1346785
>>1346714
>>1346611
>no U
Kek, I accept your concession. Enjoy feeling superior for couple of more years before your investment into languages goes completely bankrupt.

>>1276579
ええええ?けど難しすぎて時間がないんだよ。

>>1346840
Cool, see you in a few years when your magical fantasy computer still doesn't exist and you're still unable to enjoy all of this untranslated content.

>>1346893
>you're still unable to enjoy all of this untranslated content
>>1346524
I'm doing it for my oshi, not to feel superior and trollpost on anonymous paraguayan shoelacing internet forum

Keep your chin up while you can, loser, I'm sure taxi drivers also thought they'll never be replaced.

>>1346660
from my experience deepL gets confused pretty easily, especially by anything outside its training data like porn. skipping over entire sentences sometimes or pulling out phrases from the aether to try and make it sound more natural in the output language.

>>1346908
Cool, you go ahead and keep doing a pointless action that will be obsolete in a few years in order to support your oshi also wasting their time on something that is ultimately meaningless.

>>1347058
Because krauts forgot to teach it to swallow jap\chink punctuation properly.
Always remove\replace punctuation and special characters before feeding it chink or jap runes.
>>1347059
>pointless action
It has point to me and that's all that matters.

>>1346799
>Before they were adapted for broad range of tasks.
It was very clear that electrical computers were going to be superior to human computers in pretty much every use case. Quantum computers are not going to just replace electrical computers.
>You still don't understand the difference between machine learning and neural network, do you?
Yes, but it looks like I misread what you wrote originally. It does not change the fact that quantum computers would not help speed up working with big data. Your definition of ML is wrong, and your definition for NN is oversimplified, but I'm not going to bother with it.
>It DOES NOT CARE about missing context because same context was similarly missing in big portion of it's data set too.
That is like saying that because you never learned to swim, you will be able to swim because you know that you never learned to swim. If you take something as simple as 「怖い」 there are multiple correct ways to translate this. Without context you will not be able to guess which one is correct.
>That is only if you never update your ML database with TL pairs.
Some slang takes an existing word and adds a new definition. This does not work very well with machine translation since you need to know the context to know if it might be a slang usage or not.
>Because unless you're neck deep into teenager slang cesspits, like discord on the west, YOU WOULD NOT KNOW THAT SLANG AS A N2 EITHER.
The incentives of machine translation creator and yours are usually different. It is more likely that you in a specific community run into a specific piece of slang more often than the average user of the translation service.
>And here we are, you are using cutting edge slang to defend your point again: it's a very dumb move anon.
I believe the lack of context is a much bigger problem then that of slang.

>>1347148
>Quantum computers are not going to just replace electrical computers.
Compliment. Also allow me not to agree with your prediction because nobody knows fuck-all how computing will go once microtransistors can't be made any smaller.
> It does not change the fact that quantum computers would not help speed up working with big data.
Denied.
>Without context
Feed ML enough translation pairs "without context" and it would understand it. Though I am mostly referring to translating large texts like books, not line by line chat messages.
>Some slang takes an existing word and adds a new definition.
That you would never know as N2 either unless you seek it out.
>It is more likely that you in a specific community run into a specific piece of slang more often
Oh well I go to a non-retarded MTL service and offer new TL pair in git.
>I believe the lack of context is a much bigger problem
Perhaps for short conversational chats, yes. Not for large texts or speech.

Just wait and see faggots.

Why are you so desperate to make language into objective merit and benefit now? Did you really learn it to flaunt before strangers on the internet? I mean it's rhetorical because this post is cleary bait >>1346247

>>1345635
anon all languages are useless outside of English.
some languages can become useful depending on your needs but no language is "useful" per se.

>>1347449
>N-NO! MY ANIKI REPS! I AM SPECIAL YOU ARE ALL PLEBS!
>NOOOO MY ADVANTAGE THE MTL WILL NEVER BE G-GOOD ENOUGH!

>>1347513
t. EOP

>>1347535
No, ESL.

>>1347449
English is absolutely useless in entertainment. I will never watch/read any Amerimutt globohomo garbage with fake diversity and woke agendas

>>1347630
most redpills are in english
including those of assassinated authors

>>1347630
>Schizophrenic poster arrives

>>1347630
A-anon...?

>>1347630
this thread was already ruined but you still didnt need to come here to shit on its corpse with your /pol/ schizo buzzword salad.

>>1347630
>English is absolutely useless in entertainment. I will never watch/read any Amerimutt globohomo garbage with fake diversity and woke agendas

>>1347677
>>1347864
>>1347918

Yeah it's just used as such a tool for the globohomo platforms. There's no "cultural value" with it.

>>1347234
>Though I am mostly referring to translating large texts like books, not line by line chat messages.
So basically useless for understanding everyday speech. Your oshi isn't going to narrate her entire thought process, she's going to say a word or two, the context of which will be obvious to anybody watching the stream but not to ML that only has the words themselves to go on. The ML won't even have the actual words, it will have the sounds of the words.
If your oshi does something in a game and then says "きる", if you're watching the stream and know Japanese then you can generally tell what she's saying. But ML just has "きる" without any context.
Is it supposed to be 着る? 切る? 斬る? 伐る? 截る? 鑽る? キル? Maybe she mispronounced ぎる or ギル?

This is assuming that you also have perfect speech recognition that can flawlessly parse spoken language amidst all sorts of noise, including separating multiple people speaking simultaneously during collabs so that you can understand all of them.

Either you pseudointellectuals explain right now how ~advances in technology~ will make Google Translate recognize the zero pronoun properly, or fuck off and return the thread to talking about how Cure Dolly is an old British BDSM tranny

>>1348161
explain how your cellphone works right now

>>1348161
>tranny
Pls no
I want to believe she's just a British BDSM GILF

>>1348230
She's probably the sole heir of some old English dynasty, which would explain how she has all the time and money for BDSM, learning Japanese, and traveling the globe.

How do you do your reps bros tell me, this green bird is killing me

>>1348515
i hope you're not talking about duolingo anon

>>1348515
dump duolingo immediately give this a whirl https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/learnmain.html

you don't have to ditch duolingo but it definitely shouldnt be your main language learning resource if you wanna learn fast

>>1348751
Everybody keeps praising Anki like it's god's gift to mankind or some shit. Meanwhile I fucking hate flashcards.

>>1347513
cope

>>1348792
i imagine its possible to learn without SRS, but nothing comes close in terms of efficiency and reliability. that said, you don't have to just get a deck and start to mindlessly go through it. instead, you should start the immersion process, find media that interests you, go through it while looking up words you don't know and creating your own deck. i think you'll hate flashcards less if you make your own, from material that is relevant to you.

>>1348161
there's a reason why MTL is mostly only used professionally for shit like chemistry and IT documents where everything has to be explained clearly.

1-3 years until MTL can do that flawalessly, unknown how long it'll take though for deep learning to teach AI how to understand humor and cultural references though.

>>1345750
a lot of people have this assumption that you can just "learn" a language and put it on a shelf so when you'll need it you can use it.
in reality if you don't continually use that language you will gradually lose it.

you say "if you are still gonna keep consuming JP media.." but the truth is that if you learn chinese instead you will have to keep consuming chinese media for years and decades or you will lose it.

that's why it's a bad a idea to learn a language you don't give a fuck about just because "it's useful".

you will spend years studying it practicing it, and then when you get decent you will need to keep consuming media in that language, but since you don't have anything you actually want to consume you will stop using it. and then a few years later you will have lost most of your language skill and eventually virtually all of it.

>>1276579
No.

>>1349412
>hawhah

western media is simply garbage and will never be fixed. can you save the woke hellscape

Remember that if you want to learn Japanese, never post in any thread about learning Japanese. Just grab all the resources and then fuck off.
You can thank me later

>>1344326
Why do japs use iru with non-sentient things when it's used as an auxiliary verb?

>>1282584
Jes!
Saluton fagotoj

>>1348515
Did you refure its batchall?

中出し

個人的に/vt/のdjtを作りましょうは素敵なアイデアと思います!頑張れ!

>>1355392
We won't make a djt because djt is trash.
We will make a far better general

>>1355442
the dream...unfortunately even if you create the perfect new thread /djt/ faggots will realize its better, go there instead and turn it to shit.

>>1355472
That's why Cure Dolly is the perfect filter

>>1355472
although seems still its worth making. this board has a bunch of newfag eops so it will be a different type of /djt/ from on /int/ or /jp/

yeah.
let's do one thing
let me call cury dolly over
she can support you very well with the sicks and stones
on your back
on your front
on your top
on your bottom
everywhere, cure dolly can help you

the most complex phrase i know is "ore no imouto ga konani kawaii wake ga nai", i looked up "wake ga nai" and apparently theres also "wake dewa nai" and trying to figure out the difference mad me remember i hate learning languages

>>1355955
dewa there means "maybe" or "i guess".

wake ga nai = its not like

wake dewa nai = maybe its not like

wake jya nai is the casual version of dewa and used irl frequently

https://www.youtube.com/c/laoshu505000/videos

This man died today. Don't know if any of you would recognise him. But he was based.

>>1356097
What are you doing going around posting about Laoshu in all the Japanese threads on this site?

>>1356186
I'm related to him distantly. :C

>>1356197
I liked him but it is weird.

>>1287133
vocaroo attention whores like you should be castrated.

>>1297318
>yfw the truth is even weirder than this shitpost.

>>1297318
>BDSM club in Japan
She lives in Rosarito, Baja California, Mexico.

>>1297394
shes 50 years old +, shes is NOT sexy

>>1346660

i see a lot of people posting about computer translating japanese.
it's not going to happen.
i mean... i can't say it's never going to happen in the future, but i can assure you this: if we actually solve translation than having wasted time learning japanese is the least of our concern, because we most probably reached either artificial general intelligence or did such a big leap in AI that society will heavily change forever.

don't get me wrong we are making great progress in computational linguistic (natural language processing how you wanna call it) but these great progresses are still incredibly limited in scope. also all these progresses are in english and don't necessarily translate that well in other languages.

a lot of work is being done in machines understanding human language or producing it. translating is kind of a different thing.
for a program to be able to translate let's say a manga it would need to be able to watch the pictures and understand what those picture rapresent and how they are connected to the text. in practice for a computer to translate a manga it would need to understand not only how the material world works but also human culture.
if someone in the manga speaks about some birds for example since japanese has no plural you need to look at the pictures to undestand if they are talking about a single bird or more. so the program would need to look at the image recognize that some of those lines are a stilyzed depiction of the real world equivalent of a bird and that it needs to use the number of those birds to correctly disambiguate the translation.
this becomes even more insane when it needs to translate sentences about abstracts thoughs or human emotions and the manga makes use of visual metaphores to visualize these abstract thoughs. think about stuff like kaiji or baki where it's full of visual and verbal methaphores. now you would need your AI to understand that the manga isn't actually talking about a cobra and a moongose fighting despite the fact that both the text and the visuals are talking about a cobra and a moongoose fighting.

now i'm not saying this is not going to happen, it is technically possible. but this is a lot more complex than grabbing a huge japanese corpus running machine learning on it and we done. a lot of this actually goes outside of linguistic and it involves other fields of AI some of wich require the AI to be almost AGI.

>>1303350
how does she know so much about japanese and still has that shit of an accent?

>>1359979
its not that important. you see this with english all the time, non-native speakers with heavy accents but otherwise can speak fluently, even eloquently, and have no trouble being understood. being intelligible is a requirement, but unless you're trying to pass off as native, theres no need to perfect an accent

we have a thread over at /int/
everyone is welcome!
>>>/int/140821223
(oh and ignore polandanon, he is always rude to newcomers, but his heart is at the right place)

>>1360598
That poleshit tried making multiple /djt/ threads here on day one and they were all deleted lol (rightfully so, it’s off topic)

>>1361953
Lmao, sounds exactly like something he would do.

>>1359886
>it's not going to happen.
stopped reading there

>>1355589
Is it just me or do cure dolly posts get deleted from the djt on /int/? I’m not really regular on the djt threads there but I noticed cure dolly posts getting deleted.

>>1359886
by the time we reach AGI i'm not even sure if humans will be relevant anymore
we might even have literal AI vtubers

>>1370256
they do not respect cure dolly to say the least

https://youtu.be/8EEq8Xj5Q1M

I'm at a point where I know hiragana, katakana, and a few common kanji. I can make out bits and pieces off a zatsudan stream and contribute to live TLs but I'm in no level to understand the whole thing. Idk where to start.

>>1379513
You've already started. Keep building up that vocabulary and grammar knowledge, it's a process.

>>1379513
Read the guide.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/guide.html

>>1276588
learn hiragana and katakana, then focus on vocabulary and grammer.
it's better to be fluent in hearing/speaking and being functionally alliterate then spending all that time to be able to read kanji.

>>1361953
Tell me about the Pole. Why is he such a sperg?

I'm starting my japanese journey anons. Don't have a lot of time to practice and almost no experience learning other languages, but I'm gonna stick to it.

Should I even expect to see any progress after a few months of practice?

>>1380340
don't start expecting progress
just stick to it

>>1380340
Not the same kind of progress you'd get with french, spanish, italian or whatever else, for sure. You might recognize some simple sentences during streams.

If you're ready to keep at it for the rest of your life, it doesn't matter, though.

>>1380340
that depends on your own innate ability and how much effort you put into it.
the only thing you can control is how much effort you put in, don't worry about the rest, just grind.

>>1380365
>>1380473
>>1380566
Sounds like I'm in for a long ride..
Thanks for the (You)s. I'll make you guys proud

>>1276579
Is she the best to learn Japanese grammar? I want to learn grammar but I'm actually braindead and think that tae kim is too hard

>>1380746
She doesn't have a full course as far as I know, her videos are about specific grammar points.

You should probably go with genki if you don't like tae kim. It was literally made for students.

>>1379513
It's a slow process, no way around it. Learn a few words everyday and eventually you'll get there. Textbooks and the likes are fine at first but switch to mainly native content as soon as can

anons ive been trying to learn hiragana and katakana for a month and i still cant remember any of them, what resources do you guys recommend? I've been using the tofugu guide and gotten nowhere

>>1380746
I like her videos a lot. Her earlier ones about particles really helped me when I started.
She's great at breaking down specific grammar points to make them really understandable without trying too hard to translate them into english, but like the other anon said, she hasn't covered everything yet

>>1380936
If you're actually actively trying to learn katakana and hiragana for a month and you still haven't memorized it then there's no helping you. Tofugu is good enough

>>1380869
>>1381007
Thanks bros. I will start watching her vids and doing genki

I was working shit jobs until I found good one.
I was watching subbed anime until I understood anime without subs.
I fapped until my dick stopped getting hard.
I will just do daily lingodeer until I'm fluent even if it takes years.

>>1381075
Good luck on your journey anon. Remember tp never obsess over progress and just keep slowly grinding at it

>>1381045
the issue is keeping up with the recall, i keep getting somewhere and just, doing nothing for a week and a half and its fuckin me over
is there any apps or some shit that i can get to send my monky brain ass a reminder daily

>>1381152
>reminder daily
yes
any language learning app have reminders settings

>>1381179
the only free one i know of is duolingo and ive heard its total dogshit for jp

>>1381254
yes it's dogshit I bought subscription in the other popular one

>>1381276
Which one? I've never had to learn another language before so i know borderline nothing about this stuff, i only found tofugu through a twitch streamer mentioning it

sorry for being so retarded

>>1381315
I was recommended this one >>1381100 a week ago instead of duolingo and so far I'm happy with it. Duolingo is fun to stream, not so much to learn from.

>>1381362
ty, just asked around and got told to try "human japanese" too

appreciate it anon

>>1379513
>done hira
>done hana
>knows basic N5 Kanjis
you already took off anon, keep it up or else ngmi

>>1276579
Is the Heisig RTK method actually good or not?

>>1381152
Anki with the heatmap add-on
That one time I missed a day and broke my daily streak is gonna haunt me forever

>>1276579
Has somebody re-done her videos? Subtitles kinda suck when you're looking at visual aids but the voice is so uncanny that it really distracts me. Sucks since the content is pretty good from what I've been able to tolerate.

>>1381932
No thanks I already have a github heatmap to show me how terrible I am at sticking to things.

>>1380340
Japanese would be the greatest in terms of a language learning filter, think you have the strength? go for it!

I love her lessons but her nihongo supremacism grates on me

>>1381959
>>1381932
i feel bad

>>1380340
You need to start reading native material as soon as you can. So yes, to your question.

>>1385628
>as soon as you can
what does this mean? right know? or after I have 2k vocab?

>>1385672
As soon as you can. This means you'll try to read something, anything, and probably fail or take a long, long time. But that is normal. Just remember that real understanding comes from native material first and foremost, so that's why getting started asap is important.

>>1385672
now*

>>1381933
I am currently working on a PDF version of (almost) all her lessons. I will publish all of that when I'm done.

>>1381933
you really do get used to it after a couple videos though

>>1345846
>I personally dont see myself consuming JP media for that long
Why not? I'm honestly curious. Do you have other unrelated hobbies that you feel are taking over?

>>1385807
I currently have a time budget of 60-90 minutes for learning Japanese. That's the time it takes me to do my reps in Anki.
Reading native material will increase that time by at least 30 minutes. Should I read before or after I do my reps? I'm mentally exhausted after doing my reps which means If i read after, I'll have to factor in a break.
Guess I will just try it out.
Tomorrow, I will try to start reading native material.

>>1390341
>Tomorrow
Do it now, faggot. Go to 2ch and read their shitposts at least

>>1390341
Here, read Yotsuba
https://bilingualmanga.com/manga/yotsubato/chapter-1/5-1

>>1390442
please have mercy, it's 11:42pm

>>1385628
>>1385807
>>1390442
>>1390513
Why would you faggots tell him to read something if he hasn't begun to learn? Do you think he'll pick up the grammar by fucking osmosis or something?

>>1381745
I started an RTK variant anki deck. it's easier because you are basically trying to associate symbols with their symbolic theme or meaning, but you're still learning in English and not actually learning any words. If you're prone to burn out, you're just wasting time you could be wasting on something else while actually retaining something useful. The real use of an RTK deck is to just help your mind learn to process the shapes of kanji rather than just seeing chicken scratch and help you associate vague meaning with them, but you're still not learning Japanese.

>>1385895
Bless you anon.

>>1385895
Doing god's work

>>1390513
>土曜日
>どじょうび
Wait what the fuck

>>1379513
Don't contribute to live translations if you don't know the language, you'll just create new rrats.

>>1390724
Better than trying to learn grammar without actually reading anything, if you do that you'll end up like /djt/.

I won't learn a language explicitly for understanding vtoobers.

>>1393036
What's the problem anon?

>>1398348
>>1393036
Oh nvm just realized it wtf

>>1393036
not even nips know their own language

>>1391481
You know what? Fuck you. Learning kanji, even if it's just an english keyword meaning, is never fucking useless. People like you are the cancer of the jp learning community. Gaining the ability to guess the meaning of a word in writing before you receive the reading is incredibly useful and makes immersion so much easier.

>>1399173
learning kanji in isolation isn't as useful as learning them organically through vocab.
RTKfags are the true cancer, any language learning forum with them is full of
>just memorized my 1500th kanji, can't wait to actually learn what it means when i start learning words in 6 months

>>1399325
I do both at the same time. I agree with you somewhat that you shouldn't wait till you've gone through rtk to start immersing, but I've found it immensely useful for, say understanding unfamiliar words in jp sub. You need both theory and practice for all aspects of the language, anon. That's why it takes years to learn.

>>1399325
You're just impatient as fuck. You are actually wasting your time if you skip RTK (or any variation) and go into vocab. Have fun being illiterate as you whine that kanji is stupid and everything needs to be in hiranga/katakana. It only took me a month and a half to get through RTK. If you are actually that lazy to not even do just 15-20 cards a day, then you are hopeless.

>>1276579
I finally started burning cards the other day on wanikani. That means I've been doing it mostly consistently for about 5 months. Has been extremely helpful with reading practice

>>1391481
>>1399325
You're absolutely right and the people replying to you are probably rep gremlins that couldn't even read a children's book

>>1400344
samefag. Keep reading children books as you never progress in Japanese. Keep doing your "vocab reps" which consist only of isolated hiranga. Keep telling yourself that your are correct. Cope because you can't set aside 2 months to learn the Kanji. You are starting a race driving a worn down vehicle instead of tuning your car/engine. You are eating the dessert before eating the actual meal.

>>1400182
This didn't happen to me or to any of the other people who skipped RTK.
Please explain to me how I "wasted" my time. My retention rate is high enough.

>>1400777
Dude we ARE LEARNING the Kanji. But we learn them via vocabulary.

Off to /djt/ please

>>1400853
You are wasting your time by being inefficient. By learning Kanji, it reduces the amount of time to learn the vocab. It also increases retention and allows you to make educated guesses when reading.

>>1400777
>Have fun being illiterate as you whine that kanji is stupid and everything needs to be in hiranga/katakana
>Keep doing your "vocab reps" which consist only of isolated hiranga.
How did you derive this from anything we said you schizo? I'm the wanikani poster by the way

>>1401000
I can easily make educated guesses while reading because of how often I've seen kanji in my vocab reps

>>1401000
食べ物 Something to eat
食べる to eat
GEE I WONDER WHAT 食 COULD MEAN??
Too bad I didn't do RTK.

>>1400182
You do know what the organic method is right? You don't skip kanjis in it

>>1303673
in both english and japanese, after learning a few thousand words you can guess the pronunciation of words with some accuracy

>>1401000
>By learning Kanji, it reduces the amount of time to learn the vocab
I'm sure you're really confident in this statement because that's how you did things, but you don't have any grounds for saying it. I, on the other hand, have the experience of realizing that a balanced mix of readings and vocab study with emphasis on the vocab has gotten me reading fuckloads more than when I was only trying to cram kanji in my head as a preparatory stage.

>>1396899
Trying to read without knowing very basic grammar and vocab is pretty retarded though. I'm all for starting with native content early on, but there's a limit

>>1400182
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRcH2MWSBco
organic japanese is learning kanji as you encounter them naturally in the language. you know, the method cure dolly encourages.

>>1401000
your brain is literally structured to derive meaning from context, rote memorization of kanji is the opposite of efficient
it's obviously useful to drill kanji, but stop shilling it as if it's the One True Way to learn to read Japanese you autist

https://streamable.com/3cepqa

There are days when understanding spoken Japanese is so easy to me, and days when it's like a brick wall.

>>1403845
Have you tried staying sober more?

>>1345635
Shit nigga, I already speak the most important language on Earth, why not spend my time learning a mostly useless one for fun?

>>1381745
This seems impossible to answer and only causes arguments

>>1345635
>done with the weeb shit
Japanese media is created at a rate far, far faster than I can consume it. I will never be "done" with it

>>1405654
that's what you say now but I was done with anime by 25, done with /v/ by 28, mostly done with manga. Being done doesn't mean finishing every piece of media, it means losing interest in it.

>>1405710
I thought "media that will interest me" was implicit in that post, but I guess I have to spell it out. I don't foresee myself having one of those episodes where I """mature""" out of something I enjoy

>>1405762
>mature
Notice how I didn't use that word, it has condescending patronizing connotations.
>I don't foresee myself
Neither did i but here I am. Now my jap is hanging solely on VTubers because novels are okay with MTL & some minor manual editing.

>>1405811
yeah okay sorry. i've seen too many instances on /a/ of the odd "how do you fags still watch kiddy media as grown adults?" poster. you just sound like you have varied hobbies

I'm doing my reps... I'm... gonna make it!

>>1381933
>I can't watch while reading subs
>Anime pic
So you watched dubs? This entire time?

imma be nihongo as fuck boiz

>>1345858
>Immigrate to japan
>become the nigger
Good job.

is there flash cards app/site that also reads it in audio? ANKI for windows doesn't do that

>>1408199
When you make your own anki cards you can add in audio, from something like forvo or whatever you're watching.
All of the super popular basic vocab decks have native audio these days. Just fucking use anki.

>>1408253
>have to add your own mp3
wow what a bother, fuck that

>>1408199
apparently yomichan can automatically add TTS audio to the cards, i think theres a cure dolly video about it

>>1408278
You can use shareX to record with a hotkey, and then paste it into the audio line. It only takes as long as the audio line is.
I make a card from scratch with furugana and pitch coloring, definition, word audio from forvo, image, and sentence audio if I have it in about 20 seconds. Don't be a lazy fuck.

>>1408313
>Don't be a lazy fuck.
that's too much to ask anon

>>1348161
I agree with you, but she really should've called it the null pronoun property.

>>1348189
"I don't understand how it works, but I am confident in my prediction for its advancement"

>>1379513
Grind more kanji/vocab, learn grammar basics The cure dolly series discussed in this thread is excellent for grammar, but this if the first resource I used if cure dolly doesn't suit your fancy https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjgnew/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm

がんばれ、anonさん

>>1401190
Hrmm, I wonder how we read 食事, must be たべこと、right? I mean, that's how we've always read them before.
ばかな黒んぼ

This is /djt/? /djt/ right?
https://youtu.be/s6EfIBSOWCI

http://kokugobunpou.com/

>>1400182
https://streamable.com/278k0v
this is your brain on RTK

remember anons: RTK not even once
it could save your life

What is even RTK? It sounds like MMD and MMD sounds like drugs to me.

>>1409631
how does rtk help you in that regard?
you don't learn readings from RTK just the keywords

that's an argument in favour of vocab not RTK
if you learn by vocab you learn that たべもの is "food" and しょくじ is "meal"
they are two distinct words that happen to be written with the same kanji.

>inb4 muh second book for readings
not even rtk fanatics suggest second book

>>1411281
remembering the kanji, it's a course where people will memorize kanji in isolation. they learn the character, and a single english word to associate with it, and a memetic device to remember that. so people come out of it like >>1411254

heisiggers who actually made it through have sunken cost bias since it's hard to accept that they wasted hundreds of hours that could have been spent just learning to read right away. in the time it takes to learn what 2200 kanji look like and mean in an english abstract they could have done core2k and had a sentence mining deck well under way.

>>1412462
Sounds like some shit ripe for MK Ultra or Monarch.

Are Anki decks for radicals actually useful?

>>1412504
They might be if your kanji cards are grossly staggered in order such that you learn several hundred before moving to ones that make use of certain radicals and then so on and so on. I can't speak for the average person, but recognizing radicals came extremely naturally for me by studying kanji and vocab with no particular focus on just them. Trying to create an independent mnemonic for them seems like a waste of brainpower.

>>1411254
Supreme fucking retard. Learning kanji is supposed to be done WHILE you're learning grammar and vocabulary.

>>1412462
As someone who's gone through half the jouyou kanji so far (not with RTK, fuck that book, I use KKLC), It's honestly very empowering to know what a text is talking about even if you don't have the vocabulary yet. But, as I said, it becomes your duty to look it up at the same time.