/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Microphone Copy Pasta]

Here's a few tips for all of you about microphones for all of you:

First:
-If you are starting, take a look at what you have around, maybe your gaming headset will be good enough to start.
-If you have a rockband mic laying around stored in some box, it may do the job too, stick a pantyhose on top of it to stop plosives, cut a hole on a ceral box to have it serve as a mic stand and voi-lá. This used to be the beginner youtuber special back in 2011~2013 and it worked very well.
-Check the noise reduction filters and equalization in OBS (or maybe use NVIDIA RTX Voice if your card is compatible) for some boost in quality.
The important is to start.
-Study mic technique, a lot of quality improvement can be done without spending a cent:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty8YLqOmbV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAKnCEsZ_og

After you begin and you look into into buying a mic to improve your audio quality keep in mind a few things:
-"pro" audio requires a lot of investment in equipment, acoustic treatment, mixing, etc. A lot of your favorite vtubers and regular youtuber and streamers don't have it and do just fine.
-USB mics are generally not the top end of the microphones contrary to what Blue's marketing team may want you to believe, but a good quality one is more than serviceable. If you're not that tech inclined and want an all-in-one quick solution, consider one.
- A good XLR mic, a boom arm, a pop filer and good audio interface will be enough. Don't get lost chasing "the best", don't get lost into the audiophole rabbit hole, it'll cost you a lot of for increasingly diminishing returns that most of your
viewers and won't notice.
- If you are on a tight budget, look for dynamic microphones, a Shure SM-48 with a windscreen, an XLR-to-USB adapter or a cheap audio interface will be cheaper and beat in quality most USB mics at thrice the price.
-Take into consideration your needs - lot of streamers, for example just use condenser mics because it's "studio quality" but can't get the quality they may potentially output or do anything that will really benefit from having one (like raw music vocals to for mixing).
-Going off from the last point, if you are not recording music (I don't mean Karaoke streams with some reverb kicked in, I mean actually recording vocals for mixes or professional voice overs) consider dynamic mics instead of condensers like most big streamers do, it'll save you a lot of headaches.

About Mic types, there are basically two that matter for you.
Condenser mics:
- A lot of people who do livestreams use these; They are your Blue Yetis, AT2020s and similar.
-Usually are called studio mics, and there's a reason for that. While give you a nice voice recording with a fuller range of capture, to make the most out of them you need a controlled, studio environment.
-They are more expensive by themselves, often require more accessories (not only a boom arm, but shock mouths and the like), and are often overly sensitive (which is why you get a lot of mouse and keyboard noises when people are playing).
-To make them sound the best they can will require acoustic treatment of the room you record (because they are sensitive and capture the sound waves bouncing on hard surfaces and that messes with your quality) or home-made recording studio/booth (or a makeshift one, like getting inside of a closet full of clothes or recording inside a pillow for).

Dynamics mics:
-These are the stage mics, most of you will be familiar with handheld ones stick with the little ball on top of it (but many can have different shapes and look as "studio-like" as the Condensers).
-They're usually very good at not capturing the noise that's not immediately in front of them, which is why they're used for concerts, churches, TV, and even presidential speeches (US presidents have been speaking into SM-57s for a many decades now).
- That means you don't really need to have an acoustically treated room and the clicks and clacks of your keyboard and mouse won't be picked so easily, which makes them great for home studios.
- While dynamics can get expensive, due to their construction they'll be less expensive than Condensers. The legendary industry-standard Shure SM58, for example, costs 100 bucks, and even the top models like the RE20 are way cheaper than the high end condensers that cost thousands of dollars.
- Dynamic can also be used for studio recordings - a lot of Rock vocals are recorded on Shure SM-58s because it's gritty; a ton of podcatst and radio studios use the Shure SM-7B (with Joe Rogan being the most famous example), NPR uses the Electro Voice RE27.
- Dynamics however are not as sensitive a as Condensers, they're not ideal for most musicians doing studio recordings unless we're talking rock/metal vocals.

Hope it'll be of use for all of you.
And sorry for double spaces but it's a lot of information and I wanted it to look organized.
Godspeed, anons!
And good luck!

Post your rig. I want to see what some of you look like.

Nobody is going to dox you for making a single post on 4chan don't be paranoid.

>>1240517
i'll show you the design sketch which is basically the same outfit but with a significantly different artstyle from what my actual rig is

what does /auds/ think about my audition tape?

https://files.catbox.moe/dm9yj1.mp4

>>1241459
>dm9yj1.mp4
nothankyou.jpg

>>1241459
Every thread until you like it

Are there any recommended tutorials out there for how to learn OBS?

>>1241357
I like that a lot

>>1241882
obs is fairly simple to learn if you just click around the program for a bit; is there something specific you're trying to do?

>>1241994
Trying to do that thing where an image lights up when you speak.

>>1242129
https://jiinh.com/discord-reactive-image-generator/

>>1242154
not that anon, but i've done this before and it's super simple, takes like 3 minutes tops and works perfectly.

>>1241459
I can't believe I'm stupid enough to click it every single time

>>1242154
>Discord
Ew. So would I need to be in a Discord call in order to get that effect? I'm just wanting it for basic stuff and not anything like collabs.

>>1242490
Just make your own personal server and hop in your own voice channel with it.

>>1242507
Well, beggars can't be choosers, I guess. Thank you.

>>1238272
What artist? That seems like a really good deal from what I've seen around.

>>1240020
Are the Holo EN auditions done? I kinda wanna take a wack at it.

>>1243345
they close on the 26th of this month i believe so you still have three weeks

>Forza Horizon 4 is coming to Steam
finally, a more arcade-y racing game i can vchuub with Steam Family Sharing without doxing myself by my Microsoft account

>>1244211
It will still require a Microsoft account

>>1244306
shutupshutupshutUPSHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP

>>1244211
Do any vtubers ever bother with racing games, though? About the closest they come are playing (Mario) kart racer type games which have all kinds of items and gimmicks. Not sure what it is about the genre.

>>1244500
i play dirt rally whenever i'm at home

>>1244500
I've seen some pretty good footage of old school racers being played, but not a lot, and definitely no really recent games. That, I'd wager, is mainly because normal racing games, like most other types of games, suffered a lot of stagnation during the 'Let's only cater to the shooter and sports mainstream crowd' era and thus that market hasn't had many chances to up its game.

It only came out a bit better than Kano's design, but after about 5 hours or so I finished my .psd! I will try to start rigging it tonight or tomorrow. broke NEETs can be vtubers too!

>>1242435
you love it

>>1244500
If I had to take a complete shot in the dark, based on personal biases and/or impressions: it's because, hang on for a minute before you get too butthurt, (more) realistic racers just don't offer enough excitement to justify their increased focus.

This comes from a place from analyzing vtubing from the business perspective. A Vtuber's career is based either on audience interaction in less involving games, or their own reactions becoming noteworthy for games that "suck them in", say a sudden jumpscare in a horror game or something like FCing in a rhythm game, where the talent is a show worth the streamer "shutting down" interaction. That said, even the latter has its drawbacks and doesn't always go over well... Gura's early Muse Dash stream was cool and all, but I'd be willing to argue it was one of her weakest, in that she basically became dead to the audience for 2-3 minutes at a time. Now stretch that to 5-7 minutes? Whatever you might see, in some racing game. And, hate them if you will, kids and/or fanboys won't salivate because you took a particularly good line in a turn for the 8th time, compared to nailing a really hard part in a rhythm game or something.

>>1244842
It makes me smile every time, I won't lie to you

>>1244620
It's because racers are boring for anyone watching. >>1244976
Like don't get me wrong, I love me some racing, but even the cleanest, best driving from the most fantastic player in the world has a "okay... And?" Reaction from me. I hate to be such a millennial/zoomer sounding motherfucker, but it's the exact reason why MK is played... Not because of its amazing racing mechanics, but because of the reactions from using/getting hit by items.

>>1244976
Would you say anything different considering I intentionally want to play FH4 >>1244211 , which IS less serious/sim-my than something like Assetto Corsa or some other tryhard shit?

>>1244976
>>1245150
For actually good racing game content you need either unpredictable chaos (think Wreckfest) or genuinely tense close racing between at least two opponents. That and entertaining commentary to fill in the gaps between the action.

What do vtubers use for karaoke? Is it some sort of software?

Too simple?

>>1245288
Finding an instrumental for your song and playing with delay in OBS/whatever streaming software you have till it's synced on the broadcast

>>1245235
Forza Horizon would definitely be better along those lines, but imo it's still a little too "serious" of a game. It's basically like >>1245281 said, you either need to play something silly like a kart racer, burnout or something, maybe do dumb shit in BeamNG, or play a realistic sim game online and be legitimately competitive, the same way Botan gets away with playing CoD because she's literally a pro-level competitive player.

>>1245288
Take a look if you can find your song here
Kara.moe

>>1245308
i think the style is simple enough to stand out from the typical vtuber while still being nice to look at
i'm not sure how i feel about the outfit but that's up to you

>>1245281
Honestly, my recommendation? Ridge Racer Type-4. Has a semi-interactive component where there's a campaign mode and the team you choose has their own little story arc where they talk to you and so forth. You could always ham it up by playing cheesy pretend/LARPing during the stream as a rookie racer who just signed on.

>>1243601
>26th
Fuck, now I'm motivated AND rushed. thanks Anon.

>>1245673
do you have a portfolio of content?
regardless, good luck and godspeed, anon

>>1245673
Remember anon if Kiara can write her five minute script for her audition you can too

>>1245710
I don't even know what that is
thanks, I need it

>>1245288
I used splitter.ai for some real-life karaoke. It's a bit of a hassle but it's the only way to get literally any song you want.

>>1245235
I think racing stuff could make for decent collab material if you're somewhat equally matched. Fun character interactions and reactions from both to the on-track action would help keep people interested.
I'd ask to collab if I actually had anything chuuba-related set up

kinda want to go for the spic vtuber route but it seems my computer is only able of doing drawing streams, any modern game will cause it to shit itself.

>>1243345
Someone post the cringe audition video that one chick submitted.

>>1241459
>>1248151

>>1245235
Play burnout instead.

I just wrote the first draft of my application while drunk. I'll come back to it after I sleep on it and wrack my nerves while thinking about filming it.

you guys realize only women will succeed in the vtuber space, right

>>1248603
explain

>>1248603
Fucking matriarchy!

>>1248630
I mean just go count the amount of male vtuber threads on the board right now. Pretty clear this is not something men can typically get away with

>>1248736
>/vt/ is the measuring stick of successful vtubers and isn't just a cesspool of underdeveloped horny GenZs, millennials, and early GenXers
yeah, sure, okay

>>1248736
4chan is not a good indicator of fucking anything, let alone something niche like this.

>>1248778
>>1248795
ok my dudes. Go prove me wrong

>>1248821
Oh shit bros, I think he might be right!
Guess it's time to give up now.

So here's a question: How best to handle IRL people as part of your character? Like a significant other. Just refer to them as one, try to never mention them at all, or figure out an 'in character' other way to refer to them in case it comes up?

>>1249145
I would go with the last one if you ever plan on telling anecdotes that involve them

>>1249145
>Like a significant other.
Normalfags get out reeeeeeee

>>1241357
That autism stance...

>>1249234
Well I'm not female so I don't have to worry about ruining any fantasies for waifufags that may roll in. I'll have to consider it though.

>>1249407
>being male
>not wanting people to waifu your character
FAG

>>1249455
I mean, they can if they want, I'm not gonna stop them.

>>1248603
There are plenty of guys who are doing well. Unfortunately, almost none of them are associated with 4chan.

>>1249397
its okay, the artist i got to do the actual live2d turned it into a power stance
>>1249407
i see it more like a kayfabe kind of thing more than anything else

You guys do go over the casual stance of your character with the artists right?

>>1249569
My girl will be wearing a slightly oversized fur-lined hoodie and keep her hands in the pockets as to maintain the ultimate comfy stance at all times

>>1249569
Choose, your fighter

>>1250045
Bottom left but without the wall

>>1250113
>without the wall
bold move, handicapping yourself

>>1250045
>>1250113
Speaking of, that guy on the right isn't even using his wall what the fuck.

>>1250370
>he needs walls to lean

Basic question but what is the whole rrat with the family sharing on Steam? Fear of friends list people seeing you play? I almost started to set this up but I have no active Steam friends and I don't see why I can't change to the character name and clear my old handles.

>>1252256
Yeah if you have no active friends and dont mind switching names, there's really no reason. For me, friends are starting games all the time and I'd rather not rename my main account.

>>1252317
>>1252256
For me, I found that I was able to find old Steam forum posts where it showed my post with my current alias, yes, but quote replies were made with whatever name I was using at the time. First result found thus, only like 5 results down on search engine results, was a post quoting my primary username which I've been all over the internet with for like 14 years now, including quite a few retarded dumb teenager moves where the username could theoretically be tied to my IRL identity. So for me, no, it's not a rrat.

>>1252876
To make my point clearer:
>Steam forum now shows that 5-year-old post was made by [current username]
>Person who replied to me in that thread, years and years ago, with a quote has the quotebox say "Originally posted by [old alias]", despite the username update

>>1252931
I don't post aside from a couple of responses to dev threads that aren't much of anything, but this is a good reverse internet detective tactic so good work for catching that before someone else could.

I've been thinking of how to make myself stand out from the sea of male Vtubers. An idea that occurred to me was that, regardless of gender, there hasn't really been a VTuber that leans into the SAN Loss and ARG side of things. At least, not to my knowledge. I'm fairly confident in my ability to create the creepypasta style content, and I've always wanted to try running an ARG of my own. But at the end of the day, I guess my question is this: Is subtle cosmic horror and male ASMR even something that would work in today's VTuber market?

>>1240517
fuck you

>>1248603
nah, there are a bunch of ladyweebs too

>>1252256
There are websites that archive every steam user and their previous names, anyone that has your account can see every alias you ever used with it

I finished my model and rigging today! It's not really particularly good, but I think I will have a lot of fun with it regardless.

>>1254939
Do it faggot. You scared?

>>1248603
Explain the successful males? Taka, Merry, Taiga, Shoto, Pancakes (most successful masculine, since most people like to discount Taiga), Cece, and just by checking now I see a random male furry on right now at 300 viewers. This is just off the top of my head.

"Male debuff" is pure copium for people who just aren't entertaining.

Plenty of successful male chuubas.

>>1256523
Ignoring the male debuff is like ignoring the fact that the market is more geared towards women, especially the western one. Despite what >>1256018 says a majority of the big males vtubers brought their audience in from elsewhere. Taka, Merry, Shoto, Pancakes, and Cece. Taiga is a trap so does it really count?

>>1256523
I think the problem is calling it a 'debuff' in the first place. Cute girls get an at-the-start advantage, sure, but that's just for the initial 'getting noticed' stage, i.e. "I saw cute, so I clicked."

Past that it's all personality and how good an entertainer you are. People will quickly catch on to whether or not that the person behind the cute girl avatar is annoying and devoid of any kind of interesting qualities and will move onto the next cute girl in the pile instead.

Essentially it's no different from real life: You don't start with a debuff, you start with what you've got and you need to prove you've got what it takes because your first impression matters more. If you already had the skills, the charm and the qualities of an entertainer, you'll be fine most of the time barring some cosmic bad luck in terms of timing - in which case you'll have to grind for a bit, but that's about it.

In the first place, you're going to have to grind no matter what. Nobody's an instant success. You gotta cultivate a following first, especially now that the market is gradually breaking out of the niche pocket and competition is growing.

>>1256752
>I think the problem is calling it a 'debuff' in the first place. Cute girls get an at-the-start advantage, sure, but that's just for the initial 'getting noticed' stage, i.e. "I saw cute, so I clicked."
"Cute" isn't the right term here, either. "Appealing" is more accurate.
People like male characters, too, after all. I find it wild that people can imagine their character being a demon ninja from pluto just fine, but can't figure out how to make them look cute enough for people to want to click through.
That goes double, since even if you have objectively shit taste you can literally outsource the design work to a popular artist with plenty of followers, whose taste and work is OBVIOUSLY and MEASURABLY good.

Kind of a broken record but I think a lot of traits guys find attractive or entertaining in women (being shy or timid, a bit awkward, making lewd jokes, etc), women don't find attractive in guys. Nor do guys find it interesting when listening to an awkward guy stream, but if an awkward girl is streaming your literal male instinct is to protect her. It's not a debuff so much as it is a lack of advantage

>>1256523
While "male debuff" is cope for the general streaming environment, it absolutely is a real thing for Vtubers specifically.

>>1256820
I think there are ways to do 'awkward' for a guy, you just have to find a way to do it that comes off as authentic and relatable while not totally spaghetti spilling (which girls can probably get away more with on moe points like you mention).

Just out of the Holostars, I think Roberu just did some 'practice ordering from Uber Eats' stream a couple days ago that his fans seemed to like, and Shien's boss baby gap is likeable.

>>1254773
To run an ARG you need to have a following big enough to get some schizos, which is pretty impossible right now, maybe as big as Haachama or popular enough to get your own regular thread here. Bold idea, but you don't want to run an ARG without enough schizos

>>1249397
Who doesn't like autism stances

I'm struggling to pick which direction I want to go in for my design and general lore, so I've created a poll to help gauge interest in the ideas I do have.
>http://poal.me/vk20ip
>http://poal.me/vk20ip
>http://poal.me/vk20ip
Which sounds most interesting to you guys? I don't really want to reveal my voice here, but a friend who's been helping me out says my voice can fit the ideas in the poll.

>>1260910
I have a weakness for bunnyboys so my vote was biased and I didnt even read the other ones.

>>1260910
alice in wonderland bunny boy is a good idea IF YOU CAN PLAY THE CHARACTER.
I mean, it's true about every character, but there are some characters where not being able to fit in makes it even more cringe, that's one of them.

>>1260910
It really depends on what your voice matches with and works, but of those ideas the bunny boy is the most marketable.
Drop some socials so I can follow fren
I wanna keep up with your progress.

>>1260910
Alice in Wonderland bunny has been done multiple times over and nobody wants to watch a deadpan streamer for more than a few minutes at a time.

Regardless of what people vote for, the Mimic is the best choice. Stronger potential for character-work, higher energy, and a unique concept that not only hasn't been done but also gives you a lot of room for future gimmicks

>>1260990
This

>>1260910
Post your resting voice

>>1260943
What is it about bunnyboys you like so much anon?
>>1260944
Yeah I'm pretty concerned about my voice not fitting. My friend says my voice is calming enough to make it work, and there was a time I posted my voice in /wvt/ and anons said I had a "twinky" voice, but I'm still not 100% sure if it will actually "fit". I've even posted it here once when I asked this same question and didn't get any real response.
>>1260990
>Drop some socials so I can follow fren
Don't have any yet friend, sorry. I'm planning to only really "show up" on social media a week before my debut. Have lots of plans mostly making a small 15 minute game to act as a self introduction cause debut streams are a bit stale at the moment. Also don't wanna disapoint people in case I flake out.
>>1261074
Can't speak at the moment because there's some sirens and shit outside at the moment. I do have a vocaroo of a shitty voice-pasta I did once
https://vocaroo.com/1juw7R1mjoQn

>>1261406
>What is it about bunnyboys you like so much anon?
I like bunnies and i like cute boys. Mash them together and its even better.

>>1252256
If someone finds your steam page one time, they can easily find all of the following:
-Your Steam ID (in many ways it's like a permanent hyperlink, it can track you across any changes to your handle or url, the only way around this is to make a new account)
-Any old aliases you have used, going back for years, even if you've cleared previous aliases on your profile
-An archive of your friends list, if it was ever public
-An archive of people who are no longer your friends

Stalkers can be persistent. If you abandon your old account, but you add some of your previous friends on a new one, and you use the same mannerisms and aesthetics, then it isn't hard to make a few educated guesses. You'd be surprised what people can dig up.

It's best to avoid this entirely in the first place.

>>1261406
Having your voice be calm is not enough.
Bunny-boy carries with it expectations, you need to be cute, endearing and submissive to the point you're fujoshi bait.
Your voice isn't bad, but it's not that, you'd have to be an IRL anime boy.
>yeah but the rabbit in alice wasn't a twinky BL bottom, he was like a busy middle aged man
Doesn't matter, when people see bunny ears on an anime boy that's what they'll expect
>and there was a time I posted my voice in /wvt/ and anons said I had a "twinky" voice
You don't, that guy (or girl, but probably guy) was projecting on you.

But now that I think about it, that's true to the first pic you posted, with the second pic.. eh, maybe your voice could fit?
But then you'd have to go less in the direction of cute (or at least on-purpose cute) and more an arrogant, Oji type, but even then we're looking at fujoshi bait.

But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

>>1252256
I'm confused, I have a brand new steam account for my streaming and use family sharing to use my old games. Am I going to get myself doxed?

>>1261655
You're fine, that's what you do to avoid the dox

>>1261406
Your voice is fine, but your performance skills are weak. Do some research on oration or take an improv acting class.
You've got potential but aren't ready for prime time just yet. A week or so of serious training will make a world of difference.

>>1261611
That's good anon, I want your opinions. Truthful, unbiased advice and opinions helps me determine how I should do things, even if it goes against me.
>Bunny-boy carries with it expectations, you need to be cute, endearing and submissive to the point you're fujoshi bait.
That's what I thought too. I don't think my voice is cute enough to make it work, but those anons and my friend say otherwise. I guess I don't particularly know "what" my voice fits character wise.
>with the second pic.. eh, maybe your voice could fit?
So I can't do a bunny boy but a bunny guy voice? I don't mind the idea of being the arrogant archetype but I still don't think my voice even matches that desu. Any other suggestions for what you think suits me better?
>>1261850
>Your voice is fine, but your performance skills are weak. Do some research on oration or take an improv acting class.
I'll look into that, thanks anon. What would you consider "serious training"? 5-6 hours of daily practice? Paid classes from a professional?
>>1261510
That's fair enough.

>>1261993
>What would you consider "serious training"?
Looking up a few videos on oration and practicing reading aloud, maybe a little poetry or singing as well just to improve your vocal control.
You also need to record yourself and play it back so you can get an objective feel of it.

A paid improv acting class or two is also a godsend. If you have a local theater group or so, you can usually pay a hundred bucks or so and get yourself a weekend workshop of 2 or 3 high-density classes that teach you to get over performance jitters and really play a character to the hilt, which is the thing that makes most male vtubers feel flat/boring (and therefore, fail.)

Godspeed, anon.

>>1260910
There already IS an effeminate Alice In Wonderland bunny and he's really popular. You'll be the Artemis to his Gura, if you go through with this.

>>1261993
>That's fair enough.
I'm a simple man in that respect. Now that said, there's no reason you couldn't buck the trend and play a more older/mature bunny man. But if your voice is going to be going that angle the design should match. Looking like a teenage effeminate twink but sounding like a 25-30 year old bartender would be a bit off-putting at first. However different people have different expectations and different ideas of what sounds 'cute' so take all of that with a grain of salt.

Remember that a character is just a 'hook'. To be really long term successful you need to actually be able to bring people back, and the character can't do that.

I feel like there is a surprising lack of franchise based in-universe vtubers.

I can't be the only one to think that a pokemon trainer vtuber would blow up for example

>>1262468
Your channel would just get hit with multiple strikes and be taken down.

>>1262483
Literally why? It's not like you are doing anything that the pokemon youtube community doesn't already do. The only difference would be a live2d model

>>1262547
>the pokemon youtube community
anon... they're not the people who hold the copyrights...

>>1262547
Its nintendo, they'll fucking C&D anyone for any reason, no reason, or because "fuck you". To do what you said you'd have to brand yourself a "pokemon trainer" which would bring down the hammer.

>>1262558
No you aren't understanding.
Those youtubers who have a 2d piece of artwork of themselves as a trainer or whatever and make videos using it as an avatar. How is that okay but a vtuber rig isn't

>>1262109
>Looking up a few videos on oration and practicing reading aloud, maybe a little poetry or singing as well just to improve your vocal control.
Well that's kind of convienient. I was looking at booking singing lessons to actually be able to do some...Well, singing. Maybe that and an improv workshop can help get me on the right track to getting bent into proper Vtuber form.

Thanks for the help anon!
>>1262247
Oh is that so? I suppose double ups are bound to happen in an industry like this but I also don't want to be seen as a copycat, intentionally or not...Maybe the alice style is a bust for me and I'd need to look for other styles to incorporate the bunny aspect into it.
>>1262317
>Remember that a character is just a 'hook'. To be really long term successful you need to actually be able to bring people back, and the character can't do that.
Of course. I have ideas for content and such lined up before I even know what my design is actually going to be. I used to have a small following as a streamer so I know some stuff about making content for people to come back too
>Looking like a teenage effeminate twink but sounding like a 25-30 year old bartender would be a bit off-putting at first
This is the thing I want to avoid desu. Main issue is I just don't know what my voice fits, so that was the main reason for making the poll. I might just have to go back to the drawing board and come up with new ideas desu.

>>1262574
I was really only using pokemon as an example

>>1262581
there's a lot of factors that go into it, but if you don't understand the difference between using a profile pic from pokemon versus using a fully blown live2d rig and play acting a pokemon trainer on your streams, i don't think there's any help for you anon.

>>1262574
It would be easy enough to brand yourself as a generic "monster collector" and then have your design take heavy visual inspiration from pokemon protag designs I'd think

>>1262468
It would get in a dangerous territory if you make a lot of money with.
The way I see it is like selling doujins or commissioning fanart. It is okay as long it is in small quantities. But you will have the threat of problem with the company in the back of your mind, in the case you make it big.

>>1262621
ffs I'm not talking about the profile pic.
Nevermind. Clearly I'm going a bad job conveying what I'm trying to say

>>1262621
I think he's talking about the youtubers that literally have a picture of themselves drawn in a pokemon trainer outfit and use it as a png avatar, not people using a pokemon avatar

>>1262594
Other companies tend to be as bad. They won't go after smaller stuff but if you ever start to get noticed it will become an immediate risk. I'm sure you mean to 'cleverly hint' that the character is part of whatever world, but lawyers are horrible creatures with no empathy and won't care that its fan work. If they can find anything and think its worth the money you're gonna get bopped.

>>1262588
>This is the thing I want to avoid desu. Main issue is I just don't know what my voice fits, so that was the main reason for making the poll
I just listened to some of your vocaroo, and while you wouldn't work with the first bunny boy image you posted, the one you posted in >>1261406 actually would fit the voice quite well I think.

>>1262468
Corporations are slow to take up new trends.

>>1262682
Yes. this. And they are fine keeping that png on screen the entire video while being monetized.
I don't see how it suddenly becomes a problem once that same avatar is Live2D rigged

>>1262588
https://twitter.com/lucky_bunttv
https://www.twitch.tv/lucky_bun

>>1262468
Do you like Homestuck?

>>1263461
Is there a homestuck vtuber?

i've been streaming for a few weeks now and while i've met a lot of really nice people through it, i'd like to get some real feedback so i'm gonna go and post myself here now
https://www.twitch.tv/elliottambers

>>1261993
Definitely aristocratic, and arrogant with a touch of gap moe over trap bait.
I think you have the voice for it, but you need practice, to master the intonations so that they fit.
How to do that is beyond me, like the other anon said, performance skills.

>>1263637
>Definitely aristocratic, and arrogant
not that anon, but why is this so common?

>>1263446
This vtuber seems to be a heavy emphasis on the "bunny" side, not "human with bunny ears". Should be easy for anon to differentiate themselves from it. Especially with that voice.

>>1263857
What do you mean by "common"?
I just suggested it to that anon because it's something that would be possible with his voice (with practice)

>>1263899
>What do you mean by "common"?
when you ask guys to do a voice, they almost all do the "pompous and arrogant aristocrat" voice. a couple of threads back people were posting vocaroos and they all did that same voice.

>accidentally press esc
>everything I wrote is deleted
FUCK
basically, I think arrogant aristocrat is much more accessible to the average anon because the other options would be more alien to that average strawman (happy-go-lucky and energetic, manly lumberjack, cute borderline-trap).
It's the most "low energy" role you can assume, requiring the least display of emotions and excitement.

That being said, I didn't say that anon sounds like an aristocrat, but it is a character he can do with his voice (after some practice) that fits his bunny-guy character.
As common as it is I have yet to see a guy pulling it off correctly.

>>1264100
meant to reply to >>1263947
What is with me today?

by the way, is this the only general on 4chan for aspiring content creators? (for lack of a better term)

>>1264200
in a way, both /wvt/ threads are being used by active streamers along with their viewers so i'd say that more or less counts too
there's also /agdg/ for game devs; i'm sure there's a lot of other different generals on other boards on the site for creators

>>1264100
>>1264200
>It's the most "low energy" role you can assume, requiring the least display of emotions and excitement.
guess this makes sense

>>1264200
>is this the only general on 4chan for aspiring content creators? (for lack of a better term)
kind... of?... mostly just voice work, i suppose. we had a guy who didn't want to be a vtuber but just wanted some pointers on voice over work, like dubbing anime and video games.

>>1264263
>we had a guy who didn't want to be a vtuber but just wanted some pointers on voice over work, like dubbing anime and video games.
That was me
I came up with the sort of content I'd like to make, slapped together a video and now it's just sitting in the youtube ether because even if I knew where to shill it I'd be far too embarassed, it's not good content.

>>1264297
twitter is the standard place to shill
tiktok is getting more common, but mostly caters to a younger millennial / gen z audience
both require you to use hashtags well enough that people searching for your content can find it

ex. #voiceover is really fucking broad and there's a like a million other people doing it, but is good for getting your content into the right sphere of interested audience members

>>1240517
I only have the concept art from a friend of mine for now. We're thinking it might need a hat or something, and I think maybe the glasses should be more pronounced?

>>1258453
To run an ARG you need to run it on /qst/.

>>1264731
cute bear

>need to finalize my design concept & reference images so i can get a character reference commissioned
>just can't seem to get around to finalizing it, and work on other things instead
>have a list done up of all the stuff I need to create
>but can't feel like "finishing" any of them until I have the design commissioned
I am one dumb bitch. At least I've come to the conclusion that I do want to go through with this process, so there's that going for me. Now just to go back to digging through artists to find one to get in contact with. A friend is gonna be contacting his circle of artists friends to get some examples as well.

How long was it for you all between deciding you wanted to throw your hat in the ring to getting an actual character commissioned?

>>1265456
I'm still in the design phase, it's been like a month now. I have the general idea down but I keep making minor changes. Maybe it's too boring, but I don't want to overdesign, change this or that. It's also sort of stalling while I try to find a decent artist that is taking commissions, that's what's filtering me the most.

>>1265534
Oh, I guess I don't feel so bad then since its only been like... 2 days since I started thinking about this. Finding the artist does seem to be the hardest part, at least if you're going for a specific style like I am.

>>1265697
Trying to find an artist that can make a decent male character, something that's not a girl and not a generic catboy. I want my focus to be on fighting games so my character is loosely based on Ryu. Ive seen a lot of artists and I haven't found one that has a style I think would fit, but honestly I might just have to pick one or I'll never get off the ground.

>>1265456
>How long was it for you all between deciding you wanted to throw your hat in the ring to getting an actual character commissioned?
Kinda hard to say because mine is based on an OC I had for a long time so I didn't have to put a lot of thought into it, but there was probably about 3 weeks between me realizing I wanted to do vtubing and putting my commission in.
I feel like that's unusually fast though for most people, and I rushed myself a little bit because I'm the kind of person who will quickly convince myself something is a bad idea if I don't commit right away

I know there are mecha vtubers but do you think people would be okay with a mecha PILOT vtuber (male)

>>1264416
I had a look, and it looks more like a voiceover crowd and I'm leaning towards being a disembodied voice talking about specific topics that interest me.
who-gives-a-shit ahead: I have a thing where I talk a LOT, and if I type I type a LOT, so a lot of times I'd write a post on 4chan that would be miles long just because I have a lot to say.
Specifically from when I posted on /adv/.
I figured I might make youtube voiceovers about these topics I already went off about, since I have these fucking essays in my mind that are lost to 404
I figured one way to lure people into my channel is to have the occasional shitpost video.
I made some 15.ai stuff for a thread before so I uploaded them onto the channel because it's something people like today, and maybe I'll have a super short video or two where I read out loud a shitpost of some sorts.
Like that quote from game of thrones about shitting which I'm assured is actually in the book.

>>1265947
Of course people would "be okay with it". The real question is if it's an interesting enough concept to draw attention

>>1265855
Similar here, going for a style that's as close to George Kamitani's Dwarf as I can, which I know is fucking impossible. But at least that as a basis, but most vtuber art is very different from that style.

>>1265948
yeah, that might be a slight challenge. especially now with social media being about faster, bite sized content. 60 seconds is usually the max, but less is a lot better for clicks and views. twitter and tiktok would be perfect places to share those quick clips, and have it all lead to your main youtube channel where you can keep the longer form videos.

>>1266123
I remember you from the last few threads, and yeah I can definitely understand how difficult it is to find an artist that will do that. The vast vast majority of vtubers are pretty and dainty anime boys/girls, so most artists advertising vtuber avatars will fit into that same standard-anime style. Who's gonna draw my muscleman?

>>1266314
In previous threads people pointed out that I may have to dip into bara artists, and you may have to look at them too. Right now I'm just looking at Dragons Crown fanart, to see if theres any options there.

anyone know of a free (commercial use okay) live subtitle or translation service?

>>1266466
is it the painterly style of Kamitani's art or the proportions of his Dwarves?

>>1266644
Honestly its mostly the painterly style. His shapes & shading are beautiful. My idea for a character is a bit different from the DC dwarf so the proportions wouldn't match regardless (not super fit, more soft edges in the face & beard, etc). I'm also mulling over how (or if) I work in some stone elemental-esque features to it, without just going full WoW Earthen.

>>1240020
Based, I have my VTuber board completely paired down. Can someone tell me though I expect it to b e unlikely, are there any vtuber agents here? I doubt it. but while I intent to vtube for forbidden knowledge, I actually want to start my own vtuber company and the information I really need is about the back end.

>>1267029
the closest you'd get is probably Tsunderia's manager chatting about it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufpOOLzIWSE

>>1267029
Funny, I'm researching the same sort of thing.

>>1267250
>>1267108
Interesting.

>>1266702
do you have a design document or something?

>>1266314
Ask on /wvt/ , tHey have people that are into unconventional stuff and have art skills.

GO.

>>1249482
Thank God

How do I get rid of room ambiance? Like, that low drone that comes with recording audio?

Will sound padding do it? Am I overthinking things?

>>1268933
Like this

https://youtu.be/ToHuInqVEHE

>>1268933
sound treatment is your only option, but it's costly and expensive. mass and thickness is what you need to properly absorb those sounds, but that just adds to the price.

>>1269042
I tried recording my audio under a blanket and it kinda helped. Would a thicker blanket be a solution?

Obviously I cant be tracked like that but I'm focusing on prerecorded content right now anyway so worst case scenario is I record my movements and audio seperately

>>1268933
>>1269042
I heard advice that you could cover yourself and your mic with a blanket.
It kind of worked for me, but since I couldn't find a comfortable position I also added the rustling of the blanket against the mic as a factor, so it didn't help that much.

And of course that's only relevant if you record, not stream.

>>1269127
>>1269118
if the only thing you're doing is recording audio, the best thing to do is actually just dive into your closet because all of the clothes will soak up sounds. stuff the ceiling and corners with cushions and drape a blanket over the door.

>>1269255
I would if I was using a laptop

>>1269512
it's still doable, just point your laptop so that the fan points away from the sensitive areas of your mic's pattern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1GfjhTSNZ4

>>1269255
check our Rich McMoney-bags over here, with his closet wide enough to fit an adult in any orientation.

>>1268933
Did you plug an XLR mic into the back of your pc? Plug it into a usb audio interface.

>>1269127
Yup, getting in bed with your gear and recording under the sheets is unironically the cheapest way to get high quality recordings.

>>1268933
NVIDIA Broadcast. It can filter out vacuums, jet noise, and so much more.

>>1267409
I have some reference images so far, general "overall feeling" described, and am working on more defined ideas written down for what I want him to look like. Not sure what entirely constitutes a 'design document' since I've never done anything like this before.

>try to buy a subscription to use my model
>"credit card not valid"
>try calling the bank
>"I'd like to make a foreign purchase"
>girl on the line pauses
>"Is this for 'Live Two Dee?"

>>1271982
There are banks that still question foreign purchases with more than a simple text saying "was this you"? That's actually surprising.

>>1271982
Wait, do you need a license to stream with a character rigged in Live2D?

>>1272171
The artist gave me a psd file. I need to import it into Facerig. For that I need a mov file. I'm going to contact the artist to see if he can just convert it for me and send me the Facerig file.
It probably means I can't mess with layers afterwards though.

>>1272281
Aren't you looking for a .moc3 and accompanying .json files? Or are you not actually rigged yet?

>>1272281
What the fuck are you talking about? Don't you need to contact a rigger for a mov file?

>>1272484
>>1272498
You may be right. Perhaps my stupidity exceeds even this general.

>>1272575
Anons are well known for being stupider than anons.

>>1272575
Dude you're fucking killing me
How much did you pay for the model? Did you really think that was all you needed? Holy shit my dude

You're going to have to be paying mad money if you want a decent rig, you ain't fucking done at all buddy boy. I spent $1500 on my professional rig, but maybe you can get yours lower than $1000

Honestly if you're getting a facerig model you already have no idea what you're doing, but whatever. I would suggest Vtube Studio to you before it's too late. The art can be altered at this stage, but the rigging is incredibly important and can't be altered so easily.

>>1272575
Enjoy paying now another $150 and above for a rigger and waiting two more weeks.

>>1272784
little over 1 G so far
>>1272793
Well $150 isn't too bad.
>>1272624
I'll take the crown thanks

>>1272793
>150 for rigging
You shouldn't be getting out your wallet for anything less than 300. Not unless you want potato quality. Even at 300 you're not getting the best value on a L2D comm

>>1272957
if you spent over 1G on your model, please don't spend $150 on your rig, you will ruin it. Find a better rigger and be prepared to wait a long time

>>1263622
Just finished a more watchable stream than a japanese lesson stream and am wondering if any anons could provide any critique
the chat was mostly dead but i think i was able to not have dead air for the most part

>>1274169
haha, you're black

So as long as you make less than $90k, you can use a chuuba rigged in Live2D willy nilly?

Facerig is pretty heavy isn't it? I figured Prpr Live was a bit better, or even vtube studio if you've got an iphone. Vtube Studio will definitely overtake the others once its on PC since it has the face recognition from VSeeface

>>1263622
Based on a total of like 4 minutes of viewing a bunch of random streams at a bunch of random timestamps:
-I hate your model's face, it looks bad, especially the mouth
-Good job on avoiding dead air by speaking
-I'd get the mic closer to your face, you sound a bit muffled
-lacking a bit of energy, when speaking try to "emote" a bit more for lack of a better term.
If your voice was a picture I'd want you to crank the saturation up a bit, if that makes any sense.
-I like the "presentation", like the frame, the location of your model and the game relative to it, very cookie cutter but really there's no point reinventing the wheel.

I mean I wrote a bunch of bad stuff but it's not a critique otherwise, not bad, has potential, a little rough around the edges but those are stuff that are super easy to resolve with experience, trial and error.
I think you're on the right track.

By the way, what's up with the fact almost all your chat participants is other two digit chuubas? are you guys supporting one another? that's pretty neat if so.
Not just in the sense you guys tell about the others to your viewers, but having enthusiastic participants in chat definitely encourages participation.

>>1274574

>By the way, what's up with the fact almost all your chat participants is other two digit chuubas?

Not the streamer, but this is one of the biggest benefits to putting yourself out there and networking as a small indie.

> having enthusiastic participants in chat definitely encourages participation.

and I'm glad someone pointed this out. if youre ok with chatting and want to help your streamer out, definitely try and participate in chat a little. its really hard for me when chat is empty since i feel like im obligated to keep talking to them, but it really helped me out when I was smaller.

>>1240020
post the original image

>>1272957
>>1273030 / >>1273044
Why are you guys paying that much upfront, you will most likely never see that money return back to you, if that's your goal. No normal person will appreciate it how much you payed or hard you worked to become a vtuber. They could mention that they just like you because of the character design, but most people generally stay for your content, personality, the ability to entertain viewers and voice. (In that order, I guess). I will try to start out with an amateurish self-made avatar and not spending a single penny for anything. Upgrades and everything else will be only be funded by kind donations of actual viewers. If I don't get anything, then so be it.

>>1274776
For me, although I haven't posted about it. I need the stuff to really understand what a vtuber is doing and what the costs are. if I don't know what is needed for them to be successful theres no way I can create my own company.

>>1274574
I'll keep the mic and energy/voice points in mind anon; thank you for your time.
As for the chat, twitter is where i've shilled the most so most of my followers come from there. This is the first time i've posted myself outside of there so that's probably why my viewer base is as such
I think my last KH2 stream and FE streams both had people who found my channel through the search tools on twitch though which was neat

>>1268933
>>1269042
>>1269118
Acoustic panels can be made dirt cheap if you DIY it, and the DIY ones are literally better anyway.

https://youtu.be/pABvTWSxOes

Just make your own.

>>1272281
Legit, don't use facerig.
It has the worst, most predatory licensing agreement of all time.

>>1274776
>Why are you guys paying that much upfront, you will most likely never see that money return back to you

I've already gotten over double what a good rig would cost back in funds. It's a hobby. As much as you don't think the design and quality matters, it does. It's what rocketed Artemis to the place they are now (along with trend surfing) and to a lesser extent plenty of other people.

Good design/rig catches people's eye. the more people's eye you catch, the wider a net you cast for potential first time viewers. Your content doesn't need to be that great, it just needs to be watchable and it'll only improve from there if you're actually putting in effort.

>>1274776
>Viewing it as a dispassionate value-driven exercise
ngmi
seriously though not to sound like one of those "muh idol culture" fags, but if people really wanna put their money towards this shit, who the fuck are you to take that from them? It's their money to spend.

>>1274865
that video gets posted around a bunch but always gets debunked. towels don't do jack shit and his "testing" is just muffling the sound, not actually absorbing the reflections that make your audio sound echo-y

>>1264731
wow I too have a bear in the works but I'm not the point of being able to post my artists sketch. I hope we meet and support each other elsewhere in the great sphere of Vtuber fate.

FWIW our concepts don't overlap and I have a separate theme/gimmick element. the overall style and proportions of yours are really cute.

>>1274961
Then fill them with rock wool or something. That's what he did in his V2.

>>1241459
Why does this physically hurt me?

>>1274832
This is purely coming from my point of view as a hobbyist that's just really into vtubers, especially indies.

Character Design: not always the same as the Live2D artist/Rigger and shouldn't be imo. You need someone experienced in anime character design, preferably a Japanese artist.

Character sheet: if you didn't get it with the design.

Live2D art

Live2D rigging

Art assets: Stream assets(Starting, Chatting, Gaming, and maybe Ending screen), Alert notifications, logo, transition stinger), profile banner, profile pic, BGM, and probably some illustrations to double up on assets so you can use the same one for both standalone art and an animated version on the starting screen for example.

Aside from that it's just PC related hardware like a good mic and good PC. These are just if you're going full out trying to produce literally the best looking talent possible. Their personality still matters to some degree.

>>1266015
That's what I meant

>>1274916
>>Viewing it as a dispassionate value-driven exercise
What a twisted vision you have, the only thing I meant is that everything I would earn through vtubing goes into vtubing to give viewers a better experience and not in other personal expenses. I want go through the classic online tale of an amateurish laughing stock to a popular figure, even if something like this isn't really possible anymore.

https://youtu.be/tXh3la-V7VY

Do these prices seem too good to be true? I'm willing to spend more but this person seems very talented for only $250

>>1275203
theres no limb articulation at all, thats a big nope burger for me man

>>1275203
He may be just underselling his talents, or it could be some sorta scam. But yes, those prices are very low

>>1274776
If you half-ass your avatar it's likely you're going to half-ass your content. And considering your avatar is literally 75% of what new people will click on your stream to see (the other 25% being your voice and your actual content), you need to present a good first impression. This also is a one-time cost. If you're unwilling or unable to shell out for quality equipment/etc., then you aren't going to make it in the entertainment business. It was always a upper/upper-middle class hobby.

>>1275238
As in a red flag, or something you think is necessary?

>>1275295
latter.

>>1275203
kinda sus that they don't really show the rigging's full range of motion and rather focus on a couple of preset animation cycles and expressions. i'd shoot a couple of them on twitter a DM and ask about their experience with that rigger's work.

>>1275172
>>1274776
That sounds incredibly stupid and you will not only be limiting yourself upfront due to working with lower quality models (on purpose), but it will end up costing you far more over the long term due to having to commission the work multiple times.

>>1275203
Stop trying to find cheap, quality riggers. just drop the cash or your model will suffer.

>>1275452
Nigger I'm more then willing to drop the cash, but I can't help but ask for a second opinion when I see something this high quality for so cheap. You have to admit that kind of value is eye-catching

Do you have any recs for around the 400-500 price point? I'd probably be willing to cap at 700

>>1275568
>this high quality for so cheap

that rigging isn't high quality

>>1275568
You should be asking this in the Live2D discord, not here. Seriously, do a little research before you spend so much money. The fact you're relying on 4chan to tell you how to spend your money is a sign you're just a fool with your cash. You'd be better off buying crypto or just donating to another VTuber. At least then it'd go to a good cause rather than being pissed into the wind like you're currently doing.

>>1275617
Anon that is NOT 250 dollar rigging.

>>1275627
Jesus I'm just looking for recs. It's not like I'm making any purchases tonight.
The hell is going on with people here today? Seriously

>>1275627
>not here. Seriously, do a little research before you spend so much money. The fact you're relying on 4chan to tell you how to spend your money is a sign you're just a fool with your cash
>rely on us shitcorders!
pure fucking salt.
the last thing I want is the eternal furry datamining me

>>1275697
you guys are really that paranoid about discord aren't you? Good luck even being an indie. community interaction in discord is definitely a lifeblood and great way to build rapport during offline time.

>>1275811
I dont see why quality would change just because an artist was recommended here instead of on discord.

>>1275651
No, you're asking us to think for you. Use your own fucking judgement and actually research what it is you're getting into

>>1275697
Take your meds

>>1275172
>What a twisted vision you have
Literally just going by what you said >>1274776
>you will most likely never see that money return back to you, if that's your goal
okay and for many people it's not, they don't give a fuck if they don't so much as break even
>No normal person will appreciate it how much you payed or hard you worked to become a vtuber.
cool, you agree with me then that the decision to invest X amount should be a choice you make knowing that no one owes you any adulations for it.

>>1275865
Kek the fuck is this guys problem

>>1275898
Every general needs a resident schizo

>>1275855
Because on the official L2D discord (as in, literally THE discord to be in for all things L2D) you get to have people come to *you* with offers based on what you're looking for and your budget. You still have to shop around and not just take the first faggot to message you, but it's better than some random faggot on /vt/ telling you to use so-and-so for rigging.

Also what >>1275811 said. If you're a paranoid faggot that can't use it, then good fucking luck building a community. And if you think Youtube/Twitch aren't datamining you as well, then I have some snake oil to sell you.

>>1273044
I'll shop around thanks
>>1274893
Nice! I didn't like it's interface anyway.

>>1275943
I don't know about you but I'd rather shop around for artists than have ones desperate to get work approach me.

>>1275966
There's an avenue for that too. Artists can post their own commission sheets and have people approach them instead. Either way, pretty much all the major names and people with skill are on that Discord. Randomly searching google/fiverr/whatever the fuck or asking /vt/ is going to get you absolutely nowhere. It's such a useful tool that deliberately not using it is shooting yourself in the foot.

>>1275943
I'm not afraid of using discord, I just think you are an elietist faggot for being pissy that somebody darker to ask for recs here instead of your precious perfect discord server

>>1276056
Dared to ask for***

>>1276056
If you're going to get this butthurt for being told off for acting like a retard, then you aren't going to make it as a VTuber. It's called having some critical thought and using every resource at your disposal. But I can see I'm wasting my time. You're going to get scammed trying to find a cheap rigger and come whining here when your money's all gone or when no one visits your stream.

>>1276108
>If you don't use the forum I like over the forum you like, you are never gonna make it!

Post subscriber count right now, faggot.

Where did you guys find your artists and riggers? Do you just search tags on twitter until you find someone you like? Or is there some sort of place these people advertise themselves

>>1276150
>Do you just search tags on twitter
NO!!!! IT HAS TO BE DISCORD

>>1276150
I haven't quite figured it out, especially since I'm looking for more unusual style. Twitter is, annoyingly, the major place people post that stuff. People have suggested fiverr and stuff as well, but I guess what you can do is just look for an artist who's style you like and see if they do commissions. Riggers I have far less of an idea since I haven't gotten to that point yet.

>>1276170
You know, if you just calm down this thread would be a lot better for everyone.

>>1276150
>>1276170
All jokes aside yes, twitter is valid

>>1276027
Where do people post their sheets in the discord? Honestly I don't even know if I'm in the right server

Here's a question: For commissioning work, regardless of the platform, do you use your characters name or a 'middleman' account to keep the name under wraps until debut (or lead-up)?

>>1276320
I don't think it really matters

>>1276320
I wouldn't worry about that, the artist/rigger will more than likely respect your privacy, it would hurt their reputation if they doxxed you anyway

>>1274776
Eh, I think a beautiful rig and character design is absolutely worth it, but I simply can't afford it so I made my own in the meantime while I save up, and then I will just re-debut and try to pass it off as a makeover lel

>>1276406
Same boat. Someday I want to drink the IV coolaid but until then I'm settling

>>1276377
I guess that makes sense. I havent actually made my character's accounts on twitter/discord/etc. so I should probably get around to it.

>>1276404
Right, that is true. I'm more concerned with being in a more 'public' area. I guess the only real thing is to make sure not to use any "pre-existing" accounts to prevent any trace backs.

>>1276150
I went outside of the "vtuber sphere" to get my stuff done.
I found a high-skill artist who had a waitlist measured in weeks rather than months on Artstation, commissioned him we also became friends as a bonus and got great character artwork at a good, fair price. So good of a price that I tipped him a fair bit extra just out of thanks.

Then I went to a 3d modeler rather than going to the bloated, overpriced, overhyped live2d market because ho-ly shit is live2d janky and weird in 99% of cases... and the 1% of creators who aren't absolute jank peddlers are so overbooked that their prices are through the roof. It's actually cheaper to get a top-quality, gorgeous-looking 3d model AND the hardware to run it than it is to get a middling-level, mediocre live2d model.

Honestly, if you must have the live2d look, learn to do it yourself. It's so overpriced that it's basically a scam right now, just due to supply and demand.

>>1276300
In the #i-want-clients channel under the jobs category. If you don't see it it's because you haven't read #buyers-info

>>1276148
The irony in this post is staggering.

>>1276170
Imagine being this unhinged that the mention of somewhere other than 4chan causes you to shit yourself

>put in my commission
>suddenly every other artist I see looks like a way better fit

How do I cope with this feeling

>>1276675
embrace it fully for like a day or two, stress out about whether or not you should contact the artist, and then just commit to what you have.

that feeling is the "but what if..." sensation and it's a type of fomo. the only way to get rid of that feeling is actually to go through similar decision making scenarios multiple times. for example, the first time you go to a donut shop and buy one, the others might suddenly seem like a better choice. but go through and buy enough donuts over time, you figure out what you want, and that decision doesn't hurt as much. of course, a commission is more expensive than a donut, so it's gonna feel a bit weightier.

>>1276150
i'm the guy who posted myself in the thread earlier and i found my artist on twitter
i liked their artstyle but they never did art for a live2D before which might be evident in the model
the rigger was just someone i was following that i messaged before they officially opened up rigging commissions so i got my stuff rigged at a much cheaper rate than their current rates

>>1240020
Are the backgrounds on sozaino public and free to use?

>>1276148
I'm on Twitch, followers at about 1.5k. I don't care as much about the follow count as I do revenue though. While it's not amazing, I think I'm about to scrape about 4k USD from Twitch before I count in streamlabs stuff which i cant on mobile, this is over about 9 months.

I'm in it for the short term so this is just a hobby but all the successful vtubers of varying sizes have a discord and actively engage in their community, there's no reason you shouldn't emulate this. It helps grow a relationship with your community which is one of the draws of vtubing as an indie.

>>1276056
this right here, fuck shitcord and fuck you niggers

>>1276675
My perspective/intent is like this:
I'm spending fairly low-end money (~$600ish) on a model + simple rig. It's not gonna blow anybody away, but it's not supposed to. I'm hoping my personality and/or presentation does that, the model is more or less a placeholder. Depending on when/if I get anywhere near successful, actually making any semblance of income, I'll THEN go out and get a $1500-$2000+ setup, which will also double as my opportunity to either refine my design or re-debut as a new character/persona.

>>1276989
yes, it's specifically free to use (commercial use okay) as backgrounds and only backgrounds. that includes your stream, thumbnails, etc.

limits include
- can't use more than 5 unique backgrounds per item (a single video stream would be an "item")
- can't try and register it as your own work
- can't use it to promote fraudulent, illegal, or offensive stuff
- sales as your own product

>>1276148
Not him, but anyways, yeah, L2D Discord's probably a good source. I myself got my rig through >leddit's resource google doc.

>>1277481
*That is to say, I found the artist I commissioned using the listings on it. They list a bunch of twitter accounts, Carrd accounts, personal websites, etc.

>>1275865
>REEEE
go back to neppit shareblue
meds and shizo will never be a meme no matter how much you retards get paid to force it.
>>1275943
>muh paranoia
I don't need to listen to the advice of people who choke on any, let alone 2, masks about paranoia.

>>1277524
Enjoy being muh edgy autistic niche gamer chuuba playing dorf fort or some shit for two viewers a week or something, I guess. Nobody can force you to appeal to normalfags, but don't be surprised if you don't have any numbers to speak of.
>Maskfaggotry strawmanning
Go back to /pol/. I don't support that shit either. I'm also not a sperg having a tantrum at the fact that the fan base streaming develops is probably gonna have a sizable number of people who do shit like give a shit about the kung flu

>>1277481
>Over 3k subscribers
you have some viral zoomer video or something that artificially blew up your subs, don't you? Ain't no way you're a >3k vtuber posting here

what's wrong with viral zoomer videos?

i can't think of anything wrong with it. bigger audience, higher chance for memes and fanart. sure they may not have the disposable income that translates to revenue for you, but if it catches, they'll spread your content like wildfire. more shares on social media that zoomers practically live their entire lives on already means better chances that the older 20s and 30s who do have money will see it.

What are the best things to put into a self introduction? I want to avoid just listing things about the character I play.

>>1277643
>ywn baffle anon with your 1k+ channel

It is alright if i can use the "apply tempate" action on a model and then do some slight tweaks.

>>1277269
>>1277481
how long have you guys been going at it? was there any point where you started to spike in numbers?

Because of this:
>>1256752
and this:
>>1275697
I set up a discord for male vtubers from /vt/. https://discord.gg/nA3GCdJt

>>1277701
>Favourite food
Sounds basic, but you can have fun with it. Finding a way to tie it into your character can make it fun and cute too, IE, a zombie vtuber's favourite food being ramen but with human flesh in it
>Games/Music/Anime you love
Again pretty basic bitch, but people love to relate to one another, and are naturally drawn to people that like the same things they do. If people like you already and then they find out you love x game or y anime too, they'll have more reason to keep an eye on you.
>The kind of content you want to make and maybe a sneak peak at your first/next piece of content
It's important to let your audience know what they're in for. Share with them what you aim to do, whether that be making pre-recorded asmr vids, long-form endurance streams of hard games or casual talking stream collars and interviews with other vtubers. Give your audience something to look forward.

I normally don't do this, but I want to apologise for spurging at the anon who was going off about discord. You are right, this discord is really helpful

Because of this:
>>1256752
and this:
>>1275811
I set up a discord for male vtubers from /vt/. https://discord.gg/nA3GCdJt

>>1278298
I've been at it regularly for about 8 months..A spike? Not really, it's been a slow burn and I'll tell you why. Admittedly I have not taken my "content creation" seriously as I've mainly been streaming for myself to kill time and to entertain whoever wants to watch. I've got no Youtube, no highlight videos, only a few throwaway clips on Twitter that didn't even do that great, I just liked them.

Maybe when I can gather the funds I'll put it all together for a better model, stream assets and all that good stuff to raise the quality overall but the other guy is probably doing better than me as far as actual viewership goes, especially if they're putting their all into it. I'm only at about a 20 average or so on Twitch. Definitely don't do what I do. Make clips, network, use Youtube.

>>1279574
Did that build up gradually? Did the growth speed up as you got more followers? I just finished my first month with 50 followers on twitch so i'm just wondering how the progress looked
I do have ideas for content outside of streaming but i just have to... go make it

>>1279653
Yeah, it was gradual as hell and just was by word of mouth or some viewers from other friends who raided me and just liked my content. Not gonna push you like the Mori fags, but definitely make it as soon as you're able to. No rush just don't put it off too long. It definitely built up gradually. 50 after a month is pretty good in today's over saturation though, keep it up.

>join live2d discord to look into it and see what options for commissions are an option there
>requires verification since my account "isn't trusted" (no shit it didn't exist until now)
>have account hooked up to Steam and Youtube (which are also both new)
>verification of Youtube account fails
>wont even let me try steam
>10 minutes after I'm auto-kicked from the server
Nice. Well then I think I'll try some other time, in the mean time I'll look elsewhere.

>>1278583
Is there really a point to making a male specific server? the struggle's the same struggle, isn't it?
unless it's to keep thirsty potential orbiters at bay, in which case yeah, fair enough.

>>1281547

sorry to hear that anon, to be fair they do that because they're serious about keeping scammers out of the marketplace. Trying to protect you, the client.

>>1281691
Oh, I fully know why they're doing it. Just annoying since kinda by design a lot of people interacting with this will be on actual legit alt accounts.

>>1248603
The male debuff is real, but its actually a buff in terms of a higher viewer ceiling.

Note that although females get the quick high of simp bucks, there is a blackhole that nearly every female streamer falls into. Its the easy way out, and like heroin. Would you rather put in a lot of effort for interesting content, or just shake your goods and get a good amount of money. The majority of people would choose the latter (and if I was a woman, I'd utilize this passive income).

Men dont have the choice. They only have the hard route. (Of course, they could get some fujoshis, but you need to be a 10/10 or have the sexiest voice in the world.) So men are forced to actually develop talent. This leads to them being entertaining (or getting BTFO), and not limiting their viewers to horny simps. This allows them to get much much more money, have a more enjoyable career, and dominate the top of the streaming world.

>>1282283
this is peak fucking cope, typed up by some fucking idiot kid who knows nothing about streaming and is basing his entire opinion on the two graphs released by a social media analytics group showing that male streams have total absolute numbers compared to female streamers.

>>1282602
ok. any counter info?

>>1282622
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i9gkprYekI
an actual streamer who has "made it" and is living off revenue from his twitch channel.

cope more by telling yourself there's a "higher viewer ceiling". wake the fuck up and realize that less than 1% of male streamers will ever get to the point that "higher viewer ceiling" ,whatever the fuck you think that means, will ever come into play.

>>1282602
seethe and dilate.

>>1282728
prove me wrong with your "forced to actually develop talent" and i'll start to give a shit about your opinion, anon

>>1282695
A lot of his tips are fairly outdated, as much as I love Ludwig. A lot of things that apply to normal streamers also don't apply to vtubers because, without extensive tech (see CodeMiko) you're extremely limited in the types of content you can make. This video is great since it covers a lot of the basics but I don't think an IRL streamer can be used as a metric for any vtuber, even the successful ones.

>>1282840
sure, that's definitely a fair criticism.

my point was more to just the sheer numbers. the anon's claim that male vtubers have a "higher viewer ceiling" is absolute bullshit because 99% of the time, it will never matter. that anon shouldn't be deluding himself (or other anons) that a "higher viewer ceiling" means anything.

Quick question, is $900 reasonable for a model (no rigging)? It also comes with a character sheet. I've seen character sheets alone go for 500+

>>1283756
Yes. That's a perfectly normal price for a higher end model. I'm curious about it coming with a character sheet though because like you said that's a suspiciously good deal

>>1275203
thats fiver

>>1277611
>targeting normies
absolutely kek, enjoy your oversaturated market
you wont know who I am targeting until its too late

>>1277701
>best things to put into the introduction.
Pulling this shit straight out of my ass but I think you should go for budget and try to do something flashy, even if you have to elbow grease instead of money grease.

someone get ready to make a new thread and watch out for the (embed)s

>>1284792
That was the plan, I'm making it theatrical and putting some clever edits in there.

>>1284777
nobody's gonna watch you minmax a game of factorio, sperg. But keep convincing yourself there's some vast, thousands-deep pool of untapped viewers just waiting for a chuuba to finally debut and stream kenshi or some other wacky autism special

>>1285986
>REEE YOUR IDEA SUCKS JUST TELL ME WHAT IT IS BECAUSE ITS WORTHLESS CMON PROVE YOURSELF
Sorry but I am not tilting my hand even a little.

>>1285986
honestly this. all of us are blinded by our personal specific interests and ideas. the most popular content on youtube, twitter, and social media in general is the most popular because it works.

like, sure, there's definitely a niche community that will revolve around min-maxing factorio, 100% for sure. but if you're doing the streaming game (not even vtubing, just standard streaming) you have to realize that the more niche your content is, the smaller your audience will be.

some fucking dumb ass anon is going to think "i'm gonna make factorio (or whatever niche game) mainstream just like GM Hikaru did for chess!" but that's not how life works out for an overwhelming majority. think about all the people who tried but failed. don't know their names, do you? that's exactly where you'll end up. be realistic and don't bet it all on a dumb gamble.

>>1286015
K, so long as you're comfortable with the fact you'll get 2 or 3 loyal viewers tops because "muh normie vidya" are "beneath" you.

>>1286015
Also, it almost seems like you think I'm trying to poach your idea? I don't really give a fuck what microsoft excel vidya you're trying to play for an audience. I like distant worlds as an example of high-barrier-of-entry autism special, but I'd sure as shit never try to stream playing it

>>1286185
>Streams some convoluted grand strategy or painfully-obtuse CRPG
>REEE WHY IS NOBODY WATCHING MY STREAM THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT SOME DUDE WHO LITERALLY JUST STARTED STREAMING TODAY ALREADY HAS 20 VIEWERS IN HIS [fotm normie shit] STREAM BUT I'VE BEEN STREAMING [obtuse game/genre] FOR MONTHS AND HAVE ZERO VIEWERS

the seething and coping isn't even worth a (You) at this point....

>>1286550
>>1286515
>gives me two more (you)s and cloggs up the thread with more tsundere bullshit
yeah yeah I get it anta nanka daikirai and all that shit.

I heard about the backlash against the large amount of brown haired characters. Is it overblown or is it just a matter of adding more color depth to the brown?

What does the thread think of this set of suggestions?

Is it possible to be two vtubers at once?
I have two really great but extremely different ideas. One could easily work with a voice changer.
Would this be too risky or too much work, or is it doable?

>>1287352
>I heard about the backlash against the large amount of brown haired characters
Nani? Was this in a previous thread or is this some twitter bullshit?
>>1287517
The dark purples and blues are good substitutes since they can slot into most designs. The greens are too niche and very design dependant, but are still good substitutes. Those light colours don't look good by themselves.

>>1287637
its a waste of time.

>>1287719
I'm not worried about failing, I've streamed successfully before and have plenty of funding to start vtubing. Besides "not getting popular", what downsides are there?

>>1287767
Ignore that person, honestly as long as you're having fun and making people happy, it's always worth it <3

>>1276567
So uh, how much did the 3D model cost, and do you have any good recommendations?

>>1276567
>gorgeous-looking 3d model AND the hardware to run it than it is to get a middling-level, mediocre live2d model

Without the 800s dollars worth of tracking gear, you just end up as a bust moving with no hands, or shitty leap motion tremors

New thread?

I'll make new hold on

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>>1292480
>>1292480
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