/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Is Terraria a buff or debuff game?

>>12687305
unless you're making it a challenge run with a clear objective that viewers can follow, it's a zatsudan stream. so whether it's a buff or debuff depends on your skill as a streamer.

>>12687385
Would be my third stream, first two have been Mahjong Soul where i tried getting to know how to zatsudan, i feel that if i keep going at zatsudan i'm gonna get the hand of it but too much Mahjong Soul could be boring

/asp/ies, I've been demotivated lately, but seeing a clip of Nina Kosaka on why she auditioned and how she's gonna work hard for the chance she's been given has motivated me to do the same. Other Holos and Nijis have been rejected multiple times before they got in, but they eventually did.
I will keep sending applications and I will get into one of the big two or Phase-Connect because I like them. I will make it, Anons.

>>12688525
Hope you have an actual portfolio to support your applications. Good luck anon.

>>12688525
I have been rejected from every single major vtuber company. I average 100+ views every stream. Being picked up by an company is not indicative of success

>>12688816
I'm working on that. I'm actually worried that whatever I do may not be enough, considering the sky high bar HoloEN in general has settled.
>>12688937
I know that, anon. Still feel like doing it.

>>12690193
you need to aim for at least 300k subs on youtube and 10m viewers if you're aiming for Hololive EN.

>>12688937
Did they ever give you a reason as to why?

Would it come off as desperate or pandering if I were to draw other vtubers and post it to their twitters?

I'm not a great artist, but I've been doing it on and off in the past for corpo girls (niji and the smaller corpos mostly) in the past. I just like vtubers so I like drawing them, but I feel like since I threw the vtuber tag on it might come off as I'm trying to "network" with them.

>>12690616
that will be considered just fanart and not networking.

>>12690450
>300k subs
Was that the average for HoloEN 2 before they joined? I know Amelia was on the lower end on Twitch but she still had decent numbers.
If more grind is needed, more grind I'll do.

>>12690640
>that will be considered just fanart and not networking.
It's a pretty common networking tactic, but I also don't think there's anything wrong with it. Drawing art of other larger people is a great way to get eyes on your own account even if it may not all transfer to your Twitch.

>>12690640
>>12690691
Okay thanks.
I just don't want it to come off as leeching or begging. I guess I'll put a little more effort into it so it isn't as cringe as well.

>>12690668
200k subs average for en2. there really isn't a point trying to look at Amelia because gen 1 is always more lenient when it comes to hiring talents.

>>12690777
Thanks for the info, lucky tripsman. Still a big number but I won't give up so easily. If there is something I have is time to build my portfolio.

>>12690905
there's nothing that remotely suggests that there will be auditions for a 3rd gen, but if there is, expect it to arrive sometime around Feb of next year

Something to consider is that 100% of the Holos have been at it for years, the experience matters just as much as the numbers. They've got not only the portfolio of their skills they've built up, but the amount of time they've invested into it. It'll likely be years before anyone attempting now gets into Hololive ,assuming any get in at all

>>12691074
i've come to terms with this. i'm just doing this now to build up a portfolio so i can hop onto the next bandwagon that comes after vtubers.

>>12690974
Never said I'd try in the next audition wave. Can wait until a couple years of building experience and portfolio.

>>12690767
desu i do the same thing, but purely out of sole passion. i really love the content the chuubas make and that makes me want to draw them while im watching their stream. networking is a pro of it, but at the core of it ive always just wanted to draw chuubas bc well, i fucking love drawing chuubas.

>>12690586
Most probably they didn't even watched the audition tape, they don't talk to you unless you qualified for the next round.

>>12691590
you can ask actually. just email and ask what you can improve on. no harm.

I want to start vtubing to make friends, create a comfy atmosphere, and get better at art, but I have no idea how to start networking from zero, and I'm not confident in my ability to entertain but I want to work on it.
I think anything I do would be desperate/begging/scummy; and that has me afraid to start trying.
From my art I have a small following from Twitter, but I don't think it would translate to viewers since it's mostly NSFW art and that wouldn't be the focus of the stream.

How do you start streaming from absolutely nothing?
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, or stupid to ask.

>>12692654
>How do you start streaming from absolutely nothing?
since you said you wanted to make friends and want to do art, create art of things you like and try to find others who also like it. tweet it out, post your stuff on tiktok and get discovered by the algorithms and start streaming to interact with them in real time.

>>12692654
Make a PNG avatar, get OBS and just start streaming and talking. As for networking, /vt/'s wvt thread is home to a big chunk of vtubers and you have access to one of the best and biggest "groups" of western vtubers if you just stream and talk to them.

>open stream
>no wiggly emote in BTTV
>close stream

>>12692654
/wvt/ is such a wide community of vtubers that if you just simply want to make friends you can just shill yourself in the thread and also just chat in streams of /here/chuubas and people will probably warm up to you
a bunch of chuubas here started that way and seem to be friends with each other

>>12695260
Yeah, this is probably one of the best kept secrets in the vtuber community as an indie vtuber. Vtubing as a whole is extremely lonely and hard if you dont have a community supporting you. A lot of vtubers have to struggle hard on twitter and other social media but they cant get the same kind of closeness and community that you get just by going to wvt. Also as a whole wvt is carrying everyone in their network slowly but surely. You have successful ones at 1000 viewers and literal 2 views that know and talk to each other everyone's slowly growing.

>>12695976
>5 viewer buff
>20 schizo debuff
>0 opportunities to incline further
>all applications to corpos rejected

>>12696394
>all applications to corpos rejected
Highly doubtful considering multiple corpos posted here in the previous lives.

>>12696517
/asp/ is not /wvt/ thou
There is not one selfposting chuuba there who made it through the auditions

>>12696612
Rosemi.
Yuuna has been caught posting on /trash/

>>12696682
Also Lumi and Pippa.

>>12696745
Getting caught is not the same as self posting
>Lumi
Never self posted in her past life
>Pippa
Same

>>12697241
You're conveniently ignoring Miki -> Rosemi
Also if they're willing to let pippa be pippa, or let Lumi narrate the divegrass, they don't care about posting in /wvt/

Nobody cares if you post on 4chan as long as you don't act like a sperg.

>>12697399
>Miki
show me the self posts in the archives

>>12697557
She's posted on 4chan as herself plenty anon.
I don't know why you're making a highly specific request to /wvt/ which I'm not going to bother filtering down for.

/vt/ is /vt/, if they post in /asp/ or in a personal thread, they might as well have posted on /wvt/

>>12697642
>I don't know why you're making a highly specific request to /wvt/ which I'm not going to bother filtering down for.

Ok so here is my theory: posting in /wvt/ makes you a target of schizos and unironic groomers, which eventually eat up your brain, burns you out and destroy your desire to stream.

Lumi is experiencing that right now, and she probably regrets getting involved with divegrass.

Also eventually you get involved with drama which is the first thing your employers see, and decide not to touch you with a ten foot pole.

This is why the theory is /wvt/ specific, not because evul 4chan, but because of what the community does to you and your reputation.

Now, show me the selfposting /wvt/ chuuba that actually made it through auditions
Tip: you cant

>>12698101
More like I'm not going to go back and filter through every /wvt/ for rats about past lives and then spoon feeding it to you because you unironically think that someone who posted in /wvt/ is a special victim of super schizos that a generic /vt/ or /trash/ poster isn't victim to.

/wvt/ is a quick boost to your numbers, so once anyone kicks off they stop posting there.

>>12698227
NO
SINGLE
SELFPOSTING
CHUUBA
MADE IT

NOT ONE
THIS CANNOT BE A COINCIDENCE

>>12698101
I am very happy about divegrass, thanks.

>>12698407
>https://archive.nyafuu.org/vt/thread/946005/
>hurrdurr it wasn't /wvt/ so it doesn't count
its worse.

>>12698407
there are plenty of selfposters that are reaching or have reached partner
i'd get what you're saying if this thread was still called /auds/ getting into a corpo isn't really the only goal chuubas have here now
are you saying that getting into a corpo is the only way to make it?

>>12688816
NTA but what should you put in portfolios/CVs for applying as a vtuber?

>>12698915

performance talents
>singing, voice acting, memery, creativity, etc.

growth talents
>history of reliable and consistent growth
>skill in utilizing various forms of social media effectively
>demonstrable ability to network

content talents
>examples of content development and growth
>examples of self organized and operated events
>examples of group collaboration organization

>>12698765
I'm saying it isn't worth the absolute drain on your mental health and that the number of selfposts made is inversely proportional to your chances of making it, precisely because of how toxic the place is to your mental health.
This is not unique to /wvt/ , but is not something that happen on /asp/. The only fair comparison would be the /vt/ communities like /yah/ but then again that is its own thing.

>>12699164
it doesn't happen on /asp/ because we're literally the same people as /wvt/ and the moment you actually start streaming you're told to go to /wvt/

>>12699241
So then you understand why self posting in this place is not the same as self posting in /wvt/, particularly in regards on how it could affect the quality of your streams?

>>12699367
You're a dumbass. Take your meds.

>>12699416
When you have your first mental break down, please think of me and my post.
When a Rin like creature latches on you, please remember my post.
When you start wondering why are you still doing this if you hate streaming, please remember my post.

>>12699563
You're a dumbass because literally anyone who wants to be a vtuber is already fucked in the head, let alone anyone who posts on 4chan.
People who don't post here also rip off their nails on stream.

too many /asp/ies, especially the first few "gens" if you can call them that, made the mistake of relying too heavily on /wvt/ and /here/viewers and now the majority of them are stagnating. even Terumi is stuck at 20 viewers on youtube because she latched onto the first group of /here/viewers and relied solely on them.

>>12699672
if you want me to be honest I don't really think this hobby is something you should take part on if you have a thin skin, much less if you are mentally ill.

I don't think how painting a target to your head for other mentally ill people to play with your emotions is going to help with your baggage at all.

>>12699751
Terumi is stagnant because she fucked herself over and no one wants to associate with her any more. People grow together in groups. Anons might complain about the "circlejerk" but that's just because they aren't a part of it. People grow together and most who are alone stagnate because they're not part of any social networks.

>>12699164
>No one has made it!
>Yes they have
>b-b-b-b-b-but mental health!

>>12701084
NTA but what happened with her? I don't know all the ins and outs of /here/ chuubas

>>12701360
>NTA but what happened with her?

>emotionally manipulated her corpmates
>leaked DMs left and right making fun of them
>had a heartfelt final collab before turning around and backstabbing every one of her genmates the very next day
>burned bridges by threatening to expose black companies that ended up being a mediocre stream with no real juicy details but she'd already made a bad name for herself at that point

>>12701360
she started /aud/ for the sole purpose of helping other people practice to get better to get into corpos. She burnt all the bridges and left soon after in a menhera episode after she got into a corpo. After being in the corpo for a while, she got her gachis to buy out her model and left the company station she'll do a stream on black companies and reveal it all to the open. Turns out she had nothing at all and had a secret discord that she laughed at all the people giving her information in good faith.

She burnt all the bridges there and now she's floundering around in various streaming platforms while begging for money from her remaining fans talking about how she's starving and living with rats and cockroaaches.

>>12701151
>No selfposting chuuba on /wvt/ made it, because it drains your mental health. The more you post, the more fucked you are.
> No no you see Miki posted exactly once in /vt/ this proves selfposting in /wvt/ is good

Disprove this idea: the more you post, the more likely you are to get a schizo attached, which will fuck you over because you desperately want to be loved by everyone which is why you became a vtuber in the first place.

>>12701649
>disprove
Don't have to because you pulled it out your ass.
But here's an idea, posting here more correlates to size. The bigger your audience the higher the chance of a schizo.
Hololive girls statistically have far more schizos than any /wvt/ poster and they don't post on /wvt/ at all.

You also conveniently ignore all the posters who have no schizos, the males, the people who have hundreds of viewers with seemingly no issues, rosemi, any of the trash posters who are doing it "anonymously" (like yuuna) and so on.

>>12701649
I think the only schizo that actually really hurt the person they initially cared for was Rin and even then lapin probably would still stream regularly if it wasn't for her health problems
Odette only stopped streaming because of burnout and was inclining until she stopped streaming regularly
I can't really think of any other schizos that heavily impacted a chuuba with their actions
tiger had a schizo i think but she still streamed regularly until graduation and i don't think her graduation was because of schizos
vel still streams regularly despite whoreschizo shitting up /wvt/ for a good month or two and her discord being used as the thread boogeyman

>>12688525
You wanna get into a company because you like hot guys?

I do aspire to do VTubing as I've always loved the idea of having an animated character tied to me (originally through voice acting) but what's the look out on starting normal cam/no cam then transitioning? Better to build that sort of brand/audience at the start or transition it?

>>12701937
>anonymously" (like yuuna) and so on.
This is the third time you missed the point about selfposters
Also go ask Caleb is males don't get schizos
Go ask Reda.
>>12701997
Rin is the apocalyptic scenario - someone close to you turning to be a schizo. Of all Lapin had it worse, but it has not been great for the others either.
Odette was already in decline after being in fast track to partner because of associating with the schizo she's now fucking, but the Captain C shit made her gave up and only returned to bully the mentally ill drug addict.
Tiger has an admirable mental strenght and she didn't build an audience from 0. Same with Leaflit. Neither of them needed the buff, nor got anything out of self posting. They did it because they were and knew who they were dealing with.
Vel mental health broke down several times, stagnating.
Eira has being tossed around like a volleyball by schizos, stagnating.
Arypie: several breakdowns, stagnating, sex pested.
Shirara: lets not go there.
Carmine: stagnating
Bunzel: dead
Mau: stagnating, about to graduate
Koopa: dying, declining, spacer gambited into becoming a housewife.
Leon and Alice: Divorced

Should I go on?

Where can I stream slightly raunchy but not outright porn games?
Where can I actually stream porn games provided I censor the sex and nude scenes?

>>12702758
i would say for a lot of these this is a case of correlation and not causation
vel already said earlier today that she probably wouldn't have stuck around this long if she didn't find /wvt/
eira is sensitive to schizos a bit but also i think her problem more lies with the fact that she can't consistently stream because of family issues
ary again i don't think is because of the schizos and her recent stagnation is mainly because of medical reasons
carmine rarely selfposts outside of asking for advice or when someone wants to ask him something
bunzel i think has found more enjoyment out of doing modeling over streaming i think
mau literally works like two or three jobs which means he can't focus on streaming regularly
koopa: she's literally dying that has nothing to do with schizos or selfposting as far as i know
leon/alice: okay now i know you're fucking with me
also as the TV drama from the weekend showed (and like, every other internet grooming scenario), having a sex pest in your DMs is not exclusive to 4chan

>>12703322
I also believe that Lapin despite being an extreme case would have quit vtubing if she never found wvt because she was streaming to barely an audience.

>>12703322
I unironically blame Leon divorce on wvt but this is not something I can prove. I'm just saying that : "go there self post it is great free viewers" is a GROSS missrepresentation of what goes down there. This sort of mentality is why the first gen of asps got fucked and is also stagnating.
At best you will get one person interested and there is a risk of it being a schizo, if the recent Sloth drama reveals anything.

>>12703808
You dont use wvt for free viewers, you use it to access a network of likeminded people who are all on this website. With the power of raids and collabs, you'll be able to grow your name and make yourself known outside of 4chan and on twitch. Otherwise if you ignore wvt entirely and hack it out on your own, you'll have a bigger even trouble trying to get along and find groups on twitter and other social media.

>>12703699
there's quite a few chuubas i can think of like that
corpse also comes to mind i definitely don't think she would have gotten the growth she had without /here/
>>12703808
the initial discussion about selfposting started because someone (>>12692654) asked about finding friends, which if the selfposters and those adjacent to them are any indicator then yeah, that works
i don't think anyone talked about getting free viewers from it because everyone knows there's a shortage of them

>>12688525
Post the clip, same pie.

>>12703944
Do you see Sloth being accepted on any cliques, or getting raided by chuubas here?
Aria started selfposting months ago and is still in the peripheric - cliques are inpenetrable now.
She even has "distinguished viewers" in her chat and it matters for naught.
The best chance they actually have of networking is selfposting in /asp/ with other starting chuubas and build a network from the ground - then if they have talent they get noticed.

There was a time where everyone would welcome chuubas with their arms open under the banner of "unity" but those times are long gone.
Ask all the males.

>>12697241

Newbie here.
What's this self-posting on wvt you guys are talking about? Should I bother with it?

>>12704550
THAT
IS
AN
/ASP/
POST
PAY ATTENTION
TO WHAT I AM SAYING
YOU ABSOLUTE MONGOLOID

>>12704455
>sloth
didn't she collab with beri or kikicheesu a week or two ago?
she doesn't seem to be replying to many people from here either so i'd imagine if she isn't interacting with people on the bird site its hard to tell if she's trying to make connections with /here/chuubas
>aria
she's collabed with caleb in the past but also she doesn't seem to do many collabs in general as far as i can tell
people like bloom, margo and beri also only started a few months ago and have connections with /here/ and /here/ adjacent chuubas

>>12704801
/wvt/ is the western vtubers thread where people talk about western indies. some chuubas will shill themselves there and its a decent way to get noticed by/interact with other chuubas if you can pique peoples' interests

>>12703944

I'm an /asp/ wanting to upload edited videos (not livestream) of video gameplay. I'm not looking to make connections on /wvt/ but more so widen my channel's audience reach. Is it a bad idea if I solely share my videos there and not necessarily use it for networking?

>>12705164
Is shilling a bad thing? I thought that was the whole point of that /wvt/ thread

>>12705242
its not a bad thing! just don't overdo it
drop a link, maybe say you're just starting out and want some feedback and someone will probably stop by to chat for a bit

>>12705188
>Is it a bad idea if I solely share my videos there and not necessarily use it for networking?
/wvt/ is a weird insular community and they're going to realize if you're just shilling your links in there to use them for clicks and views. /wvt/ is also heavily biased towards live streamers and not recorded videos, so you wouldn't even get much traction there.

>>12705023
>didn't she collab with beri or kikicheesu a week or two ago?
The three front desk outsiders building a network from zero, which is in my opinion what you should do. You can get that by selfposting in /asp/.
>she's collabed with caleb
yeah and now there is a wojack poster telling Caleb to hang himself. Also is it really networking if males are just doing the spacer gambit?
>>12704801
Only if you do your lurking reps and avoid common pitfalls - associating with the wrong people might gain you a few schizos, and also, the wrong people will fuck you over because they are hated for a reason.

Hey /asp/. Can I ask for some motivation? Everything takes me ages to do for my model and I‘m feeling down again because I keep comparing myself with people who started early.

>>12705811
>The three front desk outsiders building a network from zero
beri literally has collabed with multiple people from /here/; she was on AtlasVos' big celebration collab stream where they played through Nekopara and is also involved in an upcoming pokemon tournament with a bunch of /here/chuubas
kiki herself seems to have her own network of friends on twitter as well so i don't think she needs to network with /here/chuubas
also are you unironically using the words "spacer gambit" like its not a meme
>>12706022
generic motivation but they say the best time to plant a tree was 200 years ago
the next best time to plant it would be now
there's gonna be people who keep getting into this hobby and finding their successes at different times so you might as well start as soon as you can

>>12706022
This flower belebs in (You), anon.
>I keep comparing myself with people who started early
If you do not start now, in a year you would be comparing yourself with people who've started now.

>>12706022
motivation is crap. build a habit, stick to it. work even when you don't feel like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M-6lkoi6L4

>You gonna throw in the towel and quit soon as your body starts bleeding?
>You'll say goodbye to glory, next, "hello" to never succeeding
>So if you'd like the flip the story and that heart is still beating
>I challenge you to stay committed, simply follow my leading
>You want a balanced following? Then start creating, stop tweeting

>tfw 30-something jobless spic retard with nothing to do picking up vtubing on the off chance that I get something out of it
Should I even bother?

>>12706099
>>12706141
>>12706210
Thanks, frens, you fill my heart with DETERMINATION.

>>12706279
you're gonna die anyway

>>12706099
>AtlasVos
2view male great networking there.
>also are you unironically using the words "spacer gambit" like its not a meme
It is not, /vsoc/ is absolutely real - chuubas taught viewers that the way to get their attention was to become chuubas, so viewers became chuubas. This is not a story /asp/ will tell you, however, since most of those doing the gambit never put a foot in this place simply because this place did not even exist back then.

>>12705720

Whoa. I had no idea it was like that. I'm guessing reddit is a kinder crowd. Thanks.

>>12706340
>2view male great networking there
you never specified how big or useful the networking needed to be you just said they weren't being accepted into the circle and if a bunch of new /asp/ies network with each other from zero then they'll also be 2views as well
besides the big pokemon collab has a bunch of other chuubas in it as well like bloom, disembodiedvoices, and kongou and some other chuubas that don't seem to be /here/ at all
>most of those doing the gambit
the only ones that i knew that tried getting with another chuuba are spacer, newt, and shania and shania definitely set foot here first

>>12706573
>I'm guessing reddit is a kinder crowd.
you'd be guessing wrong. reddit is worse than twitter for discovery.

>>12705536

Is dropping an image + socials once a week okay? Or people are actually looking for some discussion like "How is your day /wvt/?"

>>12706622

Really? Do tell please

>>12706701
i just told you. you're wrong and it's worse for discovery.

>>12706288
As in death being inevitable or as in ngmi?

>>12706616
It would be too jaded for me to say that males might have ulterior interests?
Humor me and only refer to "networking" when it is female female or male male, and you will realize the number of raids is considerably lower than one would expect.

In fact I only I recall two particular people that went again this trend. First was tiger, who raided down and tried to make friends with everyone and the other person is Kongou, who always raids below 30.

>most of them
You are only counting the ones whose affairs were made public.
It is safe to say all the members of the herdcord- and those left out.
Br*mega/ Acr*us was one for sure and now Koopa no longer follows him, which means he Newt'ed. G*el was one for sure. Needless to say Z*a was the uber example - he was and still is a png chuuba and this should not be forgotten.
I think you can reasonably suspect anyone without a specific talent. At least Carmine was a actor so you could believe he had pure intentions in heart.
All converted Pallbeares, male and female, are also trying to fuck Corpse. There an outstanding number of them.

>>12707118
the former, yeah. everyone's gonna die. life is short. do it and cringe at yourself instead of just thinking about it and never knowing. if anything, it's a chance to grow and learn more about yourself.

>>12707181
Okay.
I was thinking that maybe I should get more serious about getting a career or learning a trade but it wouldn't hurt to dedicate a week to preparations and tests to then do this for a couple of hours a couple of days every week. Might at least motivate me to adopt a routine that's not self-destructive.

>>12707146
I can only speak for the chuubas whose chats I'm regularly in but I see males raiding males all the time usually moreso than males raiding females
I do also now just realize that I haven't been in many of the females' streams to know who they raid but even then if it's a female raiding into a male I don't really see the spacer gambit aspect going on there

>>12707424
Of all people G*al pointed out how many chuubas reacted to his post on twitter and not a single one of them watched him. There is a lot of token actions done just for the brownie points.
Sure he was a schizo but fake nicess is a disease in this community, which is what leads to the "female into male" raid.

However I just realized now that it raids might not be the best measure since the chuuba usually takes suggestions from the chat, which might have biased my perception on the recieving end.

>>12708019
Reading about the shit people get up is discouraging.
Is it that big a problem for male chuubas?

>>12708746
>Is it that big a problem for male chuubas?
No, because most of the time you wont get even that.
There are several male vtubers still streaming to 1 viewer despite self posting for the last eight months.
Beloved members of the community but no one watches them.They have that problem.

A newcomer will not have that issue because they wont even acknowledge your existance.

>>12708746
Male chuuba here. Staying out of drama is pretty easy.

>>12709390
Why so many of your kind fail the most basic of tests then, male chuuba?

>>12709472
Human nature? Gossip is addicting and it takes a certain amount of willpower to pull yourself away from the drama. With how much tea is spilled weekly in the western vtuber Twittersphere, at some point they will break down.

>>12709390
Yeah I don't get it, most of it stems from unwanted advances and I don't get why it's so hard not to send them. Most of them are just socially inept.

/asp/ies is getting into vtubing worth it if you can't talk without stuttering and fumbling your words constantly or will people think my autistic ramblings are cute

>>12709543
I am having a hard time believing you are not a troll.

>>12709543
It'll depend on how bad it is and whether you can keep it in check. I guess some people might find it endearing but the challenge would be marketing to that audience.

>>12709523
This. I love gossip and I love hearing about the tea, but I never involve myself with it. If it's credible and there's evidence I'll probably distance myself or not engage with someone but I'm never just directly involving myself with drama.

>>12709558
Thats okay

>>12709562
I see, I'll have to think about it then. I don't talk a lot on top of the autism so it snowballs every time I try to talk at length

>>12708965
No views sounds preferable to that swamp

>>12709390
Good. I enjoy a few and they don't seem to have much trouble staying out of it but I haven't looked too hard.
Also the stories being told were uncomfortable if it was a general indicator.
I have very specific goals for streaming and interacting with other people is not one of those goals, I understand I will have to.

>>12709666
>Also the stories being told were uncomfortable if it was a general indicator.
Checked, but yeah. Part of it is also just bias. You only hear about the drama when it gets juicy enough to spread like wildfire around Twitter and /here/. But myself, and plenty of male chuubas I follow, have all stayed out of drama fairly consistently. Also, just generally not being a creep and trying to hook up with others in DMs really helps.

>>12709727
>Also, just generally not being a creep and trying to hook up with others in DMs really helps.
The ever present paradox: if you get into vtubing to date your oshi, you get outed as a sex pest. If you get into vtubing to be good, you get your oshi.

>>12709727
Thank you! If that's seriously all it takes; wow. Worries basically completely gone.
Yeah I just want to do the things I'm going to stream, improve at them while giving myself pressure and accountability.

>>12709967
>while giving myself pressure and accountability.
Once you get a few regulars you'll get that. They likely won't pressure you but you'll probably feel pressured (in a good way) to continue streaming

>>12704159
I hate Nina for the shit in her past life, but at least she seems to be containing herself in Niji. Credit where is due, clip is a tad inspirational.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSZHGYwVMM

What's the normal growth rate on twitch? I have an average of 3-5 viewers

>>12710103
There really isn't a "normal" growth rate, sorry anon. You just can't really compare the growth of two streamers with how many factors go into it.

>>12710103
No such a thing as normal rate of growth.
What happens is that you have a burst, then you stagnate, then you decline, then you have a burst again, if you are lucky.
Thinking that (+1 stream) means +(2 viewers) will destroy you.

>>12710164
oh, i see. I mostly just wanted to know if i was doing something wrong or right because i have no idea what i am doing.

>>12702758
>Arypie: several breakdowns
Huh??

>>12710211
Makes sense. I don't really think much about it though. I have tons of fun streaming, and thinking 3 persons are watching me fills me with joy, i even have some regulars which is super cool.

>>12710103
Impossible to say it all depends on luck+skill. Ironmouse streamed for years with 10 viewers only to explode later on. Shxtou streamed for 1 year grinding everyday as a pngtuber until he got a few hundred viewers now with his new model. You got SunKenji who had 30 views before exploding to 400 thanks to his tiktok going viral.

As long as you keep doing it and you have a passion for it, you'll be able to grow bigger and bigger one day.

>>12710219
The suggestion I've seen brought up /here/ and in /wvt/ now and then is to look at the long term and see if you're stagnating over an extended period of time, then "change it up" whatever that means.

>>12709997
Thank you! That's basically all I want. This is happening but I'm still looking to stop myself.

>>12710221
Health issues are also aggravated by drama - when a chuuba says on twitter she's having health problems on twitter it often means they are having mental breakdowns too.
It is easy to figure out when is one or when is the other when sudden "sickness" follows a period of drama - like what is happening right now.

>>12710373
No, I am just having health issues. Drama did not cause my dental issues, anon.

>>12710570
what the fuck are you doing here arypie you are not an asp stop killing my rrats

>>12710678
Sorry! I lurk it sometimes! Rrat away!

>>12710720
Arypie is not your real identity. It's actually cutiepie

Just finished another stream today. I felt like I did worse than I did yesterday kek. Thinking of things to talk about while nothing is happening is definitely hard. How do you guys deal with that?

>>12699043
nta, but I never realized that performance talents were a whole different thing, but that makes a lot of sense

>>12706022
I don't know why I want to become a vtuber. I somehow inherited this drive from watching Holos and Nijis and so far I've been inspired to learn a lot of new skills. I couldn't sing before but now I kinda can kek. Instead of comparing yourself to others, compare yourself to your future self. If you want to make it, you need to be better than the person you were before. If your life is shit, the idea that you can be somebody and be proud of yourself should be enough to motivate you :D

>>12713527
Yeah, I think of that too actually! Vtubing ended up an excuse for me to finally start learning drawing, and now I kinda can, so there is that.

>>12706210
nta, but Mori has a lot of really good life advice, especially within that one song. Now to figure out how to become a workaholic....

>>12713162
I like you, anon.

>>12713358
I have heard from others that they write notes and keep them around to glance at and bring up when they run out of things to say. You can also always bring up recent things you have seen. I had a 30 minute rant about some weird lewd game I was suggested by Steam once, just because it was a weird game! Have fun with it!

>>12707181
nta, but I've realized that my best ideas are always ones I cringe looking back at. I don't know if that has any connection or is just simply coincidence, but yeah

>>12713770
That’s easy, just tie your sense of self-worth to the quantity of work you’re doing and make yourself feel bad any time you’re not doing anything.

>>12713866
It's funny, because this sounds like terrible advice, but I might have to use it because of how apathetic I am to everything. I find it difficult to become addicted or even a fan of anything

>>12714388
Requires a good amount of self-bullying. If you’re having trouble, try finding someone judgemental and demanding in your social circle and win their approval.

This weekend I decided to try and learn how live2d/facerig vtuber models are made and I found it very enjoyable and challenging, I learned a lot, and I had fun however my little fella just stares at the viewer like hes having a ptsd meltdown lol

If you can do better than that, I just want to say you're doing a great job! Keep going!

>>12713358
I talk about things I've been up to lately, or seasonal topics. You can also just start rambling about something you're passionate about even if it's unrelated to the rest of the stream. People respond to streamers being openly passionate about the things they love.

here are my goals:
I want to have 50 average viewers and make $300 a month off Vtubing that I can use to get porn of my chuuba and small upgrades along the way.

I wanted to wait for my model to be finished to start streaming (~6 weeks for rig+art) but I kind of feel uneasy not making content already. maybe I'll try png streaming.

>>12717052
Do it! Share your link here!

>>12716995
If you're cute and get a tag I'll draw it for free.

>>12717052
Definitely do it.

Firstly, you're going to see a LOT of scuff when you start. Wonky transitions, imbalanced audios, VODs being turned off, typos in your titles, whatever.

Having a relatively simple avatar (such as a non/reactive PNG or GIF) cuts down on the things you need to worry. If you've gone for non-reactive, you don't actually need to use Discord at all, just speak into your mic.

You can then ramp things up.

For instance, I started with a reactive PNG, single scene, and just turned on the 'starting soon/brb/ending soon' text source as needed. Background was a stock image. Super basic, but it meant I could get to grips with everything first, and then slowly add complexity.

>>12717210
>>12717708
thank you for the encouragement! I'll definitely give it a go! it gives me a good excuse to play vidya

>>12687816
>Mahjong soul
Link stream

>>12721422
twitch.tv/alto_tiro
they've been in Spanish but i'll probably make the next one in English, need to do some pronunciation reps

>>12707181
You reminded me of one of my favorite quotes: "People don't live temporary lives, nor do they die temporary deaths" -Tonegawa Yukio

Should I stream to youtube or twitch?

>>12724065
/asp/ will tell you it doesn't matter, but Twitch has better discoverability, you should still make a YT channel for clips and VODs though. If you're still unsure, multistream to both

>>12724065
Do you have friends who can raid you? Twitch
Do you want to make vods? Youtube

The balance of power might change once Youtube gets raids. Nature is healing, chuubas are returning, thanks to whoever hacked the source code out of Bezos.

Are there any types of chuuba content you would like to see more of and feel is underserved?

>>12726827
Gambling for subs like in the bongo cat stream.

Also why ask this in /asp/? You shoulk ask this question in /wvt/ so viewers can give you their opinion.

>>12726827
Oshigama streams because the ringo threads are starved for content

>>12726861
/asp/ies are viewers too.
But I will, good idea and this was on page 10.

>>12724179
I feel like aside from that one poster most people will say to use twitch though with the new features that YouTube is bringing over we might see an exodus from twitch

>>12727893
I think the move to Twitch is more than just for the features. As much as /vt/ doesn't like, it, Twitch culture is part of the draw for the site. Even with raids and gift subs, why handicap your audience who likely won't move by moving to a site fewer people use even after they spent millions bringing over big names from Twitch? I won't say that the moves Youtube is pulling will fail 100% but most of the reason people use Twitch isn't because it's the only thing available, it's because they like the site culture. That same culture includes a culture of giving that just isn't there for the Youtube audience aside from the SEA/JP ones who whale for Holos but that's just Holo culture, not site culture.

>>12728287
Refusal to move to Twitch after the "Youtube bug" shit killed many chuubas.
Refusal to move back will kill many others.
In this business you have to keep running just to stand in the same place.

>>12727893
>That one poster
Zylphe? Or is there another YouTube shill? Haven't been able to check the last few threads

Don’t go the YouTube /asp/ies…

There are several reasons and I will write them all out if required but twitch is much more generous than YouTube when it comes to small channels.

>>12728598
Zylphe uses Trovo not Youtube

>>12729151
I've seen this repeated enough in /asp/ by now to take your word for it. I'm still a ways away from actually streaming but I plan to do so with English and Japanese games. One of the things that has drawn me to vtubing is the cultural exchange aspect. Is there a significant enough Japanese viewerbase on Twitch to warrant doing Japanese-only streams or would I be better served just sticking to English?

>>12730343
>cultural exchange aspect.
This does not exist. If you're looking for "cultural exchange" you'll have a better time using a webcam and enrolling in international language learning courses. There isn't a cultural phenomenon of Japanese people putting on CalArts style cartoon avatars and "culturally exchanging" anything with Westerners. This doesn't exist.

>>12729694
His Twitter said YouTube and Trovo, though i never bothered to check beyond that so no wonder if i got it wrong

>>12730410
Okay, sorry for being cringe.

>>12713358
I watch a lot of movies and play lots of games so i talk about that. I wanted to talk more about the simpsons while palying the arcade game but it was hard to do both lol, i will have to keep my simpsons autism waiting until i play hit and run.

>>12706279
what have you got to lose? you just might learn something about yourself

Might as well ask it here too:

Chuubas that made it: how do you feel about the vtubers who started as the same time as you in this thread and are still indies in the single digits?
Do you feel any fondness towards them?
Do you keep any friendships from your time /here/ after you made the jump to corpoland?

>implying any /asp/ie has made it
good one

>>12736532
lumi stopped by last thread so she could respond to this one

>>12736532
For purposes of this questionary lets say Partner is making it

>>12736632
I don't want the chuubas to post under their own name because then they will give PR answers: "Oh I love everyone here so much and they are my family blah blah".

"FUCK YA ALL NIGGAS SUCK IT I GOT MINE YOU GET YOURS I WILL BE HAVING LESBIAN SEX WITH MARINE BY NEXT YEAR WOOO SEETHE HARDER" should be a perfect reasonable answer to this.

>>12736478
I haven't made it, but I've made it one of my principles to still be friends with the people that helped me when I was an indie if I ever make it to a corpo.
In particular, I have streamer friends who have supported me from the start and I'm adamant in saying I won't stop talking to them, fuck idol conventions. Iin the same vein, I won't throw under the bus my fans like hypocritical pink cat.

>>12717052
Absolutely do it to get used to streaming, there's nothing more disappointing than someone with a nice model who hasn't done their stream reps and isn't engaging

>>12698465

See
>>12736632

>>12736478
By this threads standards I would be considered “made it” I think. 200~ avg viewers

Your questions:
- I think those who started the same time as me are either A) doing this as a hobby or B) putting their efforts in the wrong places. Not everyone wants or is cut out to make it.
- I feel a lot of fondness for the smaller vtubers in this thread. I made a million mistakes in the beginning and if I had someone with more experience helping me, maybe I would have wasted less time.
- I guess I am not huge enough to consider this but I honestly do not have very many close vtuber friends. Only a handful really because I am not very sociable. My friends I have made through this are my viewers and for that I am truly grateful.

I'm making it my dudes.

How high is the risk of using Droidcam instead of an actual webcam?

I feel I saw this a few threads ago, but I'll still ask. Do you think people are willing to stick around and watch a VTuber get better at certain things, such as singing or drawing?

From what I remember, the anon that replied said something like having soul or something, and it would work better? Could use advice.

>>12742151
as a 5 minute edited montage. not as livestreams.

>>12742151
depends on how entertaining they are and the current skill level.
i don't want to watch someone from literal scratch, but a mediocre artist doing art streams every day? sure. don't want to watch someone draw boxes every day though.

>>12742176
I'm guessing "practice livestreams" are off the table in that case. I've been working on picking up an instrument recently, and I was imagining using it on stream as a focus at times. Though I'm pretty sure people don't want to see an amateur fumbling around with a guitar, for example I guess.

>>12742288
That sounds more like what I was thinking. Even I wouldn't want to watch stuff from scratch.

>>12742151
I'll cut the chase. Are you cute?

>>12742151
>>12742315
in the last 4 months since you've asked this exact same question, you could actually have something to show for it. just fyi.

>>12742367
Nope.
>>12742378
Wasn't the anon who originally posted, just remembered seeing them post it. But I get what you mean.

>>12742151
fyi in this context soul just means GFE. You remind then of some cute approachable girl who they fell in love with at some point in their lives, who rejected them. The man in this site are undesirables looking for GFE content because vtubing is as close as they are gonna get to feeling the love of a women.

>>12742438
>Nope.
NGMI

>>12742438
i genuinely don't understand why you'd expect the answer to be any different from just 4 months ago.

I'm a 30view chuuba who has been incredibly inconsistent with reps and apprehensive of networking. I feel like if I put myself out there and fail or embarrass myself then I will be ashamed of myself. I'm gonna start actually trying to the best of my ability from here on out. I don't know if I am gonna make it but I do know I want to improve and give it my all because vtubing is very important to me!

>>12742505
Ah, that makes sense. I'm no girl, so that isn't working out for me.
>>12742506
Damn.

>>12728345
Youtube Bug? What's that?

>>12742747
it's a cope that retards come up with. they spend too much time in the numbers thread and try to measure how many thousands of views youtube adds or removes during a stream. then they attribute that to western indies, trying to cope with crap like
>no i'm not a 20 view on youtube, i'm actually a 130 view but the youtube bug is keeping my viewer count low
it doesn't apply to you if you're under triple digits but some /asp/ies want to feel special so they make up shit about themselves.

So I've read in another thread that the majority of people watching male vtubers in the West are females, is that true? The reasoning behind it was that male vtubers in the west are trying to be more "effeminate" since they want to cater to that bigger female audience. Thoughts?

>>12742946
Likely not, heard from here and a few other places that it doesn't work out very well. JP Male VTubers do it much better.

>>12742946
>West are females
It's worse, the majority are literally female chuubas.

Also it depends a lot on the model and the voice.

I work in an industry that requires me to disclose outside business activities. It means it'll probably be easier to look me up personally if I were to start. Should I just give up the thought of vtubing, or if someone finds out who I am ifs it not a huge deal?

>>12743077
who cares? just don't say any gamer words on stream.

>>12743077
Do your OPSEC reps of course, but I'm pretty sure nobody cares as long as you don't do anything offensive.

>>12743056
So the majority of people watching male vtubers in the West are not females? Is there any way to measure this? I know that in Japan your average straight dude doesn't necessarily mind watching a male vtuber, but I'm wondering about here.

>>12743071
Damn, that means the audience is tiny as fuck.

>>12743196
From what I've seen in male chats, its mostly dudes.
I'm sure there's females in there as well, but there's been nothing to indicate they're pandering to fujos or anything. Some gay males with the fuckboi furries, but i'd say those are the rarity.

>>12743196
Regarding the move towards becoming more effeminate like you said, it's just BFE. It's more effective in Japan than the west, and they understand how to do it better. There's females of course, but they're usually motivated by being in the same VTuber crowd. Majority are usually dudes, but honestly they usually have smaller audiences anyway, so it's hard to measure.

As far as successful males go, they have more of a female audience for the most part.

Speaking of successful males, how bad of a debuff is it to be male? I've read here that it's hard to find a niche for an appealing character that way.

>>12743433
Well anon it looks to be the major debuff, you're targeting the niche of a niche of a niche at this point.

>>12743376
doubt
>>12743433
it's not a debuff at all.

>>12743376
Women are naturally attracted to succesful men and all male vtubers are failures until they build first an audience of men.
>>12743433
Men wont watch you because you are an anime boy and women are disgusted with you because you are a weeb.
Stream with your real face if you want numbers

>>12743196
Back before vtubers were a thing, pretty much 100% of popular streamers were males with mostly male audiences. I don't see why that would be different for vtubers unless you deliberately pander to fujos or do BFE

>>12743433
The only real debuff is the starting phase (0-10 viewers)
Females will have people come in as a 0 viewer to flirt and groom them. But as a guy you can still get past that phase with some minor grinding and you'll be at about the same level, everything past that is just your own skill. It just so happens that female vtubers tend to be more skilled than male vtubers, due to the type of people interested in becoming vtubers.

>>12743515
Why do you doubt it? It looks like cope to me anon. Straight dudes don't watch male vtubers in the west. At least not in the current moment, mentalities might change but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

>>12743614
>Why do you doubt it?
because i'm not seeing any evidence for that claim.

I want to comission a vtuber model.

What i'm looking for:
-High quality
-Punk/delinquent theme
-Is good at drawing dudes


Any recommendations people of the internet?

>>12743561
That's kind of the point of why I want to be a VTuber. I don't want to show my face.
>>12743515
How so? I keep hearing about it everywhere.
>>12743567
That makes sense, sounds to me like just growing as a normal streamer.

>>12743614
I've seen nothing to indicate normies give a fuck
i've gotten more normies than i have vtuber fans in my chats, people who just randomly clicked on my stream and assumed i just had a generic avatar that's relatively common in both the streaming and youtubing world.

>>12743566
I don't think vtubers are a good representation of what normal streamers are. We know most people who watch streams on Twitch are males, and yet males are still lacking behind by a lot in terms of numbers compared to females. People just don't watch them. I'm sure there are talented males out there as well.

>>12743705
>I keep hearing about it everywhere.
you only hear about it >here and on vtweeters twit longers. there are plenty of male chuubas performing well who don't bitch about the "male debuff" because they focus on good content first and grow regardless.

>>12743748
I guess Niji debuting a new male wave might give some much needed exposure to male vtubers as well in the West. It's a good thing. I'm still not convinced that males have access to the same audience as females, since I've yet to see a male vtuber make it as big as a female one yet.

>>12743748
Good point. I have seen a few successful dudes, so you're not wrong. Though, why do you think people bitch about it? Never fully understood the reasons behind it.

>>12743837
>why do you think people bitch about it?
because they want something external to blame rather than their pathetically bad streaming skills and piss poor talent.

>>12743705
I think it's really the indie debuff. Corpos just aren't interested in hiring males right now, so the most popular males are only popular by indie standards.

>>12743895
Guessing Niji and Tsunderia debuting new guys might help with that in the future.

>>12743836
>I've yet to see a male vtuber make it as big as a female one yet.
No male has as many viewers at the TOP female, but people like SunKenji, Frost, Taiga, Joel, and Aethalstan can pull into the high hundreds with Aethalstan at the top these days even without a raid from a client.

>>12744032
>>12743836
pathetic beta males will come up with whatever excuse they can to avoid blaming their lack of good content as the reason they couldn't grow. it doesn't matter of corpos debut males. accusations of favoritism and nepotism, genetic lottery with a voice or charasmatic personality are all going to abound. the very same people bitching will continue to bitch.

>>12744032
>Guessing Niji and Tsunderia debuting new guys might help with that in the future.

Or kill it for good if they flop.
Keep your eyes on the Tsunderia boys, the fate of all male vtubers is in their hands

>>12744078
oh and as for the bigger males having mainly female audiences, I'd say it's pretty true. Look at their chatters, how they chat, their top donators, etc. Obviously you won't find any definite metrics but you can gauge it pretty well just by looking at their community and donators.

>>12743837
Because the men into vtuber tend to be beta males and want to blame other people for their own failings.

I think at the end of the day, we can say objectively yes vtubing is 1 thing women have it easier as. But at the end of the day its a minor buff and if that was enough to stop you you'd never of made it big in the first place.
Basically its people arguing that girls get 10 views and they get 0, not realizing that 10 views is still bottom of the barrel in streaming world.

>>12744099
1/2.5 of them seem good. I really like the homobunny, but there's a good chance he'll be murderfucked by pippa.

>>12744221
> girls get 10 views and they get 0
Girls get 1M views and males get 10k. I'm not a vtuber, I have no stakes in males being popular but it's apparent just by looking at the numbers that Westerners don't watch dues.

>>12744275
i don't understand what your point is with this overexaggeration. or how it contributes to the discussion.

Does any anon have an archive of the questions asked in the original NijiEN auditions last year?

>>12744099
>Keep your eyes on the Tsunderia boys, the fate of all male vtubers is in their hands

Indie males have done more for males than any Tsunderia or other mini-corpo will ever do. They're already down to 150 viewers and under, the hype is gone. These are your saviors. They're all killing it right now.

>>12744478
>They're already down to 150 viewers
>down to the average views of most of the guys in the pic
?

>>12744275
Yes all those 10m female vtubers on twitch...
Oh wait some babi is beating them out 24/7.
>inb4 cope
Pekora can compete with the top streamers in general. If twitch girls can't beat a trend chasing retard then maybe they're just bad streamers.

>>12744511
The difference being the corpo's viewers will only be going lower because they're still running off of debut steam, meanwhile these are fairly stable.

>>12744478
>These are your saviors. They're all killing it right now.
If these are your saviors, you better get a time machine and get famous before you debut as a vtuber cause that's how half + of them made it.

Also what happens when you get the cancelled bingo? You already got two in a line.

>>12744478
>was going to do a hooded dark face
>someone already did it
rip

>>12744686

>>12744686
everything you come up someone 1view already did it

>>12744686
> You can't do a different hooded dark face, because hooded dark faces are so original to begin with.

>>12744627
Sounds like cope. SunKenji was pulling 30 views a few weeks ago before a clip of his went viral. Now he's doing 500. Shxtou grinded for a year and a half with barely 10 views as a PNGtuber only to grow his audience and finally managed to gain a big fanbase after he got his live2D model. All the males in that pic worked hard for their success and deserved it. Anyone who claims males cant make it are just coping.

>>12744517
Vsho competes with Hololive pretty darn well.

>>12744686
>was gonna do a catgirl/demon girl
>someone else already did it
this is what you sound like. As long as it's not a 1:1 copy you'll be fine.

>>12744627
Half is an exaggeration, at best it's shxtou (who did anime voice shit anyway), Shia, Papi, and Kitty and Papi and Kitty barely had viewers before becoming vtubers.

> Shxtou grinded for a year and a half with barely 10 views
That's not even true, he gained popularity during about September of last year during the Holo boom, he only had 10 viewers for a few months.

I'm looking to get a pricey live2d done. If I am willing to spend a few thousand USD. Should I just go with whoever fits my aesthetic the very best but might not be super well known or should I go out of my way to find an artist that is popular in the EN vtuber community so I can use their name for publicity? I can see the merits to both.

>>12744758
>Anyone who claims males cant make it are just coping
Is this a troll thing people do in this thread to encourage males to become vtubers so you can make fun on them later when they are 0views?
Man, you /asp/ies are cruel.
I guess this is T*rumi legacy.

>>12744776
Even vshojo loses to the babi.
But there's a reason babis are the strongest race.

>>12744627
and the cancelled three (it's three by the way) have more viewers than any Tsudneria member aside from Nina. How sad.

>12744909
Find a good middle ground.
Won't matter if your content isn't good though.

>>12744978
Which one is the most recent adition?

>>12744909
your artist will only matter for a week. then people will stop caring.

>>12744909
Look at Prism, they hire Hololive artists and it's not even a boost when they have their siblings pop up in chat and shout them out like how Coco did for Yura. Just go with the artist that fits your aesthetic the best because you're helping out that artist in the future to grow as well as you can have a working relationship with them for revisions, updates and new costumes in the future compared to a popular more in demand artist.

>>12744517
What Babi are you talking about? If it's a JP then I don't even care, we've got entirely different audiences.

>>12745045
Frost, Taiga, and Kitty. Kitty and Frost's were pretty old and substanceless. Taiga's is the only one that matters and somehow he's still the biggest on this list. Not sure what copium Slugmanon is trying to push with "half" being famous before being vtubers but I'm positive they can't name them so it's fine. Just spreading lies I guess.

>>12745066
Admiral whatshisface
People always justify it with "hurrdurr past life" but he's consistently sitting at 10k+

>>12745141
Why wouldn't past life matter? That's like counting Sodapoppin the 3 days he used his VTuber model or Mizkif the day he used his. Typically the conversation of these topics are people starting out now as a vtuber.

>>12745119
Hmm Airs seem like a decent person so I don't think he will be the next.
What about Hokage, does he look cancellable?

Also if I am going to guess Porcelain maid is first.

>>12745209
Because he's now consistently a vtuber and not just doing it as a fad.
People use past lives to discredit any male that makes it, but when gura makes it big because of her past it's fine.

People who complain about past lives are essentially just saying
>hey I have no skills and no presence and no history of doing anything entertaining. Why am I not instantly popular after 3 streams?!

>>12744909
Kiara, Sana and IRyS all have major debuff designs, despite having super famous artists. Quality and aesthetic cohesion are more important than who drew it.

>expecting actual discussion from 4chan, much less non-retarded trolls and managerlarpers

>>12745347
I think in the context of these conversations, it's clear that people like to use those who started off as vtubers because it presents more of a "clean" metric, of course you can succeed if you bring in a past audience it isn't like anyone's FAILED doing that. I included a few that were extremely small like Papi and Kitty while Shia is there as a placeholder because one stopped streaming.

>>12745336
Just those three as far as I'm aware, and those three have more viewers than all of Tsunderia combined which is sad since people like to discount them for whatever issues they've had. No one cares what you've done after a few weeks as long as you give a sincere apology even if its fake. Kitty seduced a bunch of chicks for ERP, Taiga was an asshole to tons of people in private and tried to put people against eachother, and Frost was being weird in some girls' DMs. Nothing major.

Fun Fact, the worst "offender" was a girl a few years ago who was outed for having nudes of herself where her 8 year old brother is sitting in her lap. Worst any male has done is be a minor sex pest.

>>12745725
>Worst any male has done is be a minor sex pest.
ENTER
TVWASTAKEN

Also I recall a female vtuber going to jail because she was the head of a sex traffic guild

Okay, trying out twitch because that one anon. Perhaps my fellow single digit vtubers would like to chill n watch Shantae.

twitch(d0r)tv/abigailcrocm

what is the male cope this time?

>>12745822
He sent a dick pic and did stuff with minors right? Don't get me wrong that's bad but it's shit over the internet, just block the guy. Taiga was actively spreading rumors behind people's backs, lying to get people to dislike one another, and manipulating people who he called friends. I think it was a genuinely evil series of shit he did and compared to being a weirdo seeing dick pics, I'd say it's still the worst actually and not the minor sex pest stuff.

>>12745822
Also I recall a female vtuber going to jail because she was the head of a sex traffic guild

What

>>12745919
I don't even think there was much cope this time, just people arguing the gender of the successful males' audiences

>>12745725
He's a good example because it shows the audience gives no fuck if you're a facecam, vtuber, or babi. They just watch for the content.

If people didn't get chased away when he switched to vtubing it means they don't care one way or the other, so there's no male debuff specific to vtubing.

The only vtuber who switched that I can think of people actively complained about was pewdiepie but that's also because he was just trolling.

>>12745994
>just people arguing the gender of the successful males' audiences
genuinely who gives a shit other than sexpest faggots looking to sext with vulnerable viewers?

>>12745996
>He's a good example because it shows the audience gives no fuck if you're a facecam, vtuber, or babi. They just watch for the content.
I think it depends on the audience. There's some bigger streamers who would absolutely lose viewers, every time ANYTHING remotely anime shows up (even shit like ATLA) their audience chimps out and for the most part they farm that hate as well and shit on anime, even the ones that kind of like it. Bahroo just has a very anime-friendly audience (I've watched for a while) because it's part of the way he's grown his community over the years. I've watched a streamer go down 3000+ viewers because he was watching a compilation of anime openings when he's done it with other genres before and did fine.

>>12746022
Because it reflects the type of content you're producing. A lot of the top males are pushing GFE/Otome/Whateverthefuck content like Ais, Frost, Shxtou, etc. Clearly they have more female audience while people like Kabhaal just have a general audience.

>>12746161
wow, streamers differ in their content. what a fucking revolutionary realization.

That damn male debuff
https://www.twitch.tv/sunkenji

>male debuff
https://www.twitch.tv/sunkenji
600 viewers
https://www.twitch.tv/cyyuvtuber
330 viewers
https://www.twitch.tv/riikamivt
80 viewers, doing a partner push
https://www.twitch.tv/capthokage
70 viewers
https://www.twitch.tv/twidentt
40 viewers
https://www.twitch.tv/corvus_kuro
34 viewers
https://www.twitch.tv/billywolfe
30 viewers

>>12746834
>>12747412
so what you are saying is that males arent making it because they in particular are tanlentless?

>>12747444
i'm saying if you're a male and in any way claim there's a male debuff, it means you're a shitty streamer who is looking for things to blame for your lack of talent.

all this talk about male chuubas just makes me wonder how people find good cheap live2D artists that can do males well without raping my wallet. I can go out to $500 or so but that involves finding SEA artists and I dont know where they hang out.

>>12747697
>good cheap live2D artists that can do males well
they don't exist. just pick a cheap generic model or go vroid while you get your stream reps in. stream and pull in some sub money and save up for a quality live2d artist who can draw males.

>>12738710
nta, but when did you start streaming?

>>12744686
Even before that, the hooded dark face was used by some furry who has a political ranting channel.

>>12748292
May 2020

>>12703249
Anyone?
I have what I believe to be a good idea for a Wild Journey playthrough stream to use in the future but it has sex scenes. I also wanted to stream a couple of VNs but other than Croca Poca, I'd have to go back to my list to remember; most VNs have them anyway.

I read somewhere that streamers have streamed Nekopara before but I haven't checked how much of it they played on stream.

What's the best way to start cultivating a following?

>be aspiring writer/artist
>friend asks me to help him design his model
>he gives me a rough idea of what he wants for his model but it might end up being a copyright mess
>remember how the last project he asked me to help him with fell apart because i got too creative and it stopped being what he envisioned
I have an idea of what might be a good concept for a model for him, maybe for a persona if he wants to go that way, but I'm not sure if I should just pitch it to him because, again, I might have gotten too creative for what he has in mind.
Am I being a pussy?

>>12750329
Pomf, Picarto, in your discord server and (sometimes) YouTube depending on your game are your options.

There is also trovo if you want to fall for the zylphie meme. But I don’t know what their stance on r18 content is.

>>12750518
Start streaming to your friends. Make good content. Network with other small chuubas. Steal their viewers.

>>12750562
Thanks, anon.

>>12750549
no you're just being a manipulative faggot who keeps trying to impose your OC on your friend

>>12750685
Seriously? I was fearing exactly that.
If he wants to do a character or if he takes whatever preliminar model concept I pitch to him would ultimately be up to him, I won't push it.

Man, im getting to a point where I’d freaking pay to have another chuuba mentor me so that I know what I’m doing.

>>12751415
did you see that managerchama post about tiktok on /wvt/ last night too?

>>12751486
Yeah. Hey, if he was advertising openly, I’d consider hiring him. Networking to me may well be quantum field theory. I don’t understand it in the slightest.

>>12751569
fucking same. i think they stopped posting right when anons started asking about rates and social media links. not even a fucking throwaway email.

>>12747697
Why don't you check Nijisanji ID fanarts on Twitter? See if there's anyone who could do it.

>>12751641
actual good idea, thanks

Did anyone here make it to round 2 of VShojo’s auditions?

I’ve considered doing manager larping as a side job for a bit. But I worry I will not be able to produce results for my clients on par with my own results

>>12752295
Well, if you’re not charging astronomical prices, I’d be willing to give you a shot. Would you advise on what makes good content too, or just on the SMM side?

>>12752295
got any advice for hopefuls?

>>12747412
>All faggots pandering to zoomer shit
Yeah I don't care if I suck I will never act like that just for numbers

>>12752767
impressive level of self sabotage, anon. got a link so i can block you and never have to see your cope?

>>12745141
1. he is not a babi, he is the panda
2. he should not be counted as a humble male success, because he changed to a vtuber and because having live2D on screen or not means jack shit to his fans, aside from updated model streams or the first 3 months. he has been streaming on twitch for almost a decade, with no facecam, an anime girl holding a panda changes nothing and his audience was already weebs. pointing out his success is just pointing out to the 99% of his built up content.
the reason female vtubers don't beat him in numbers much is because men dominate and excel all entertainment, you'd know this if you watched literally anything other than vtubers. there is no male debuff. you just suck if you can't make it.

>>12752767
>I don't care if I suck I will never act like that just for numbers
you don't know anything about tiktok if this is what you actually think.

>>12753120
>Knowing about tiktok
Why would I? People from there don't even check out the chuubas main channel anyways

>>12753136
again, just showing off how little you know.

>>12752767
>I will never act like that
act like what?

>>12690616
Nah, you'll be fine if you post it as fanart.

>>12690616
I've been worried about this, but with making 3D models of other Vtubers desu. I still don't know if it'd come off as scummy or leeching or if people would just shrug and understand I like the chuuba in question. I'd also hate to get a reputation as "that vtuber that makes fanart of other vtubers" and have that be my main identity.

God I hate being autistic.

Is it worth getting skebs for the sake of it?
The reason I ask - I don't have fanart. I've had one or two contest wins, but that's it. More art means I can make more memes that fit, or go-live posts, or schedules (like Leta's, with the snippets from multiple skebs).
Personally, I don't actually find they add anything. But I'm finding more and more that I can't model other people on myself. Not to the point of "do the opposite", but there's a lot of things I do/n't care about that others apparently don't/do

>>12724179
>Twitch has [...] discoverability
Only if you already have hundreds (if not thousands) of viewers or stream in a category that has lots of viewers but barely any streamers.

>>12750549
Why not just ask him when you're going too far?

very motivated to rig my own model since I can't afford to get it rigged. it will be bad but hopefully viewers will find it endearing