/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>12630768
As a person who actually likes watching the guy, this is probably the stupidest shit he has ever said, what was he thinking? Like what's the context here?

>>12630768
for the anons who don't care about this random vshitshow its basically
>boyfriend on her stream
>he says "hololive doesnt actually require talent, you make more money than most people see in their life just from the brand"
>vshitshow desperately tries to change the topic

>>12630768
Trash Taste showed how few genuine opinions he has on certain topics and how shit those genuine few are.

Cannur

sad how it takes outsiders with nothing to lose to say what everyone else is thinking, cover's on the industry is absolutely fucking ironclad

>>12630768
kek and he wonders why they wont collab with him

>>12630768
I want to hear his opinion on this again when Vshojo finishes their audition, or his opinion on Hajime or whatever her name is.

>>12630874
He said that people that join Hololive get instant popularity and he's right.

>for the anons who don't care about this random vshitshow its basically
>boyfriend on her stream
>he says "hololive doesnt actually require talent, you make more money than most people see in their life just from the brand"
>vshitshow desperately tries to change the topic

>>12630768
Someone made a tweet about it and it started to spread around

Here's the response:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ysjr7oBjYMM

>>12630874
They were talking about lying on a job application to get the job. He was saying that if you applied to something like Hololive, it was in your best interest to lie because if you get in, then you will profit even if it turns out you are a shit streamer.
Also, this is months old and IIRC the did a colab with Ollie afterwards but it won't stop fags like OP from posting it to cause cheap drama.

>>12631453
There was a follow up chat, theres a clip somewhere.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY MEXICAN MOUSE GIRLFRIEND IS GETTING SCHLONGED BY A HAIRY WELSHMAN AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>kek and he wonders why they wont collab with him

>>12631048
>he says "hololive doesnt actually require talent, you make more money than most people see in their life just from the brand"
That’s true for the most part. They can be depressed with lots of dead air, and by brand, design, and voice, get tons of views. I don’t actually disagree

>>12631048
>hololive doesnt actually require talent, you make more money than most people see in their life just from the brand
I mean, he's not wrong. Look at Council.

>>12631706
the fact he collabed with ollie afterwards makes it worse not better?

>>12631453
VShojo just isn’t successful enough to do what he is saying.

>>12631920
festival...

>>12631957
The worst member of hololive is a million times better than any other female vtuber, there's barely a comparison.

>>12631048
He's not wrong, look at Ayame.

>>12631979
That was for the "hurr durr they don't want to collab because he said this" fags.

>>12632082
/v/chama...

>>12632082
get out of your Holobubble

>>12631691
>Connor: tries to explain himself
>Mousey: "I think you're dumb and you don't know what you're talking about."
Hail Satan

>>12632159
the fact you say that shows you have shit taste.
I'd leave if it was worth it.

>>12632082
It’s bias. Like if we go by Ina, she would be far less successful in NijiEN. She can draw? Okay, it’s not enough to make her a 12k live viewer. What is? Hololive.

Same with Kiara. Why does she get her viewers without a lower number? Because of talent? For the most part, no.

>>12632082
While I agree they have a higher median quality, I would rather watch someone like Pomu than any Council member. Not that I watch either of them, I'll stick to Myth.

>>12632239
Manjisanji isn't an idol group, the brand means nothing.

>>12632189
I mean, she is right. The clip was taken out of context but he is still a retard for thinking you could get into Hololive just by making shit up.

> The worst member of hololive is a million times better than any other female vtuber, there's barely a comparison.

>>12632282
I’m saying Hololive by brand, gets viewers without requiring anything remarkable. It built up a fanbase that is loyal.

Holo en 1 > nijien sans gen 3 > Holo en 2 > nijien 3

>>12632378
That's not my point. If you watch a Pekora stream, despite her being so far removed, it improves the experience of watching a Gura stream.

>>12632082
this.

>>12631920
Pic related.

>>12632378
To the larger Hololive fanbase, getting in is a seal of quality and the fans will give them a chance even through the rough early months.
Hololive also did a better job of having everyone interconnected and getting fans to care about it.

>>12632016
It literally is. Do you think there's going to be a Vshojo vtuber with a few hundred viewers like even Anya?
The reason why Ironmouse tried to dodge the topic is because it's a stupid opinion that applies to any group worth being in.

Imagine saying this when retards on Patreon pay you money just because kadokawa pays youtube ad money to shill your shit podcast where you shill their products all day.

>>12632552
Mumei is the only entertaining HoloEN member

>>12632239
Honestly other than Gura, none of the Holomyth would be as successful as they would be today without the Hololive brand on them. Ina would be a 2 view artist, Ame will be a gamer streaming to like 30-40 people, Kiara would still be struggling and Mori would release her music to not much of an audience. They're talented and very good but compared to the rest of the vtuber world today they're pretty replaceable.

>>12632378
Hololive is the brand that got built, at one point it was 12? views. Being the top brand also comes with it a certain level of quality control.
Its pure copium to imply the biggest vtube brand in the world to have no talent hacks

>>12632082
Anon.... Don't lie.. If Ina was not in Hololive, you would think she's boring as fuck.

>>12631200
He is the Karl Pilkington to Garnts Ricky Gervais

>>12632906
I don't like her. Other vtubers are worse.

>>12630768
Reminds me that Animeman made a video ranting about Nene being on playboy Japan recently and even his own fans called him out for being out of touch.

>>12632082
The only successful HoloEN member would be Gura if everyone in there was not in Hololive. Everyone else would be boring as fuck. Don't lie anon.

>>12631834
Puerto Rican.

>>12631200
Based.

Connor is a faggot and we should stop talking about his scrawny fucking ass. All this leech gets from here is more attention.

months old btw
enjoy the timeloop

>>12633001
let me guess he thought Playboy still was porn magazine

>>12633044
Well good luck with that. He's basically a semi-member of Vshojo like Snuffy.

>>12633013
>The only succesful HoloEN member would be gura if everyone in there was not in Hololive
>Forgot about how Gura failed at being a streamer

>>12633086
Nah, it's the usual faggotry about unrealistic standards of beauty.

>>12633013
Isn't relevant because they're in Hololive.
>>12633152
I didn't watch the video but what's the problem with Nene exactly since the real girls kind of looked better in comparison

>>12630768
I get what he is trying to say, and this applies to many brand as well, not just Hololive. But he seriously didn't realize his stupidity and hypocrisy there.
However, she instantly realized that and saved it by stopping him there.

>>12633438
>But he seriously didn't realize his stupidity and hypocrisy there.
What hypocrisy, it's not like he's has a brand to ride on.

>>12633118
Well shit, i didn't know that. Guess that in the end he finally got what he wanted: jump to the wagon and leech.

Now /vt/ levels of schizoids and constant obnoxious faggots will increase to never end.

>>12633484
He was literally talking to a person with a brand.

>>12633505
Dude him and Mouse are literally best friends, no shit he isn't gonna stop getting involved with Vshojo.

>>>/qa/

>>12633505
His channel has basically turned into "CONNOR DOES X WITH THIS VTUBER?!?!?! (Ironmouse).
He's all in on vshojo at this point.

>>12632189
based mousey

>>12633555
But Vshojo isn't a brand give how independent all the girls are and allowed to do their own thing

>>12633484
Also, if he wasn't on youtube/twitch he would be streaming/making videos where exactly, facebook?
It's obvious where his insecurity comes from, he might be the fakest guy I have watched more than 10 minutes of.

>>12633044
>>12633505
I mean, how is our opinion even important when it comes to TT aside from a few retards who spew what we say on Twitter?
The most that I can think of is the Connor arc months ago and after a certain time Ollie still wanted to interact with him. Hell, /vt/ was in panic because of a supposed Ollie x Mori x Connor collab playing Apex that I don't know what happened with
>>12633083
Meh, he ended acknowledging it recently, fair play I guess and the statement continues being retarded

>>12632552
She's by far the most entertaining Concil member.

>>12633647
>Not watching the Chris videos

>>12633695
Why do they need a name and merch then?

>>12633697
>comparing a platform to a brand
Almost as retarded as Connor

>>12630768
>Another day, another thread about. Connor MALDING about Hololive.
He must have some personal vendetta against Hololive. Is it because he can’t collab with the big EN talents? Is it because Ame blocked him? Has something happened with him and Calli in real life?
He’s probably grown up in a middle class background and always had whatever he wanted when he clicked his fingers. Now that he’s in the adult world and people say no, he throws his toys out of the pram.
Oh also he’s 5’7. Pathetic.

>>12633001
Kind of hilarious that he thought Tokyo Ghoul had the biggest Female to Male viewer ratio.

>>12633695
Holy shit you're retarded

>>12633778
Explain it then, how is that retarded? You can take a thousand words to explain it if you need to. Or 10. I'll wait.

>>12633744
>he ended acknowledging it recently
Because some twitter tranny brought it up for drama

>>12633601
Damn man, bitch got what he wanted from the start. Seems like he's in the same state of that faggot nux.
>>12633647
I see it now bro. I don't pay much mind to vshojo, althought mousey seems good.

>>12633315
The playboy article wasn't even about looks or appearances. It was just a list of top influencers in Japan. He didn't even read it.

>>12632082
Retard.

>>12633744
What did he end up saying?
>>12633756
I only watch the one's on Chris channel.

>>12633773
Vshojo is a company

The streamers under that company are the brand, the company is mostly there to make merch easier

>>12632082
True. Kiara is actually pretty great when you think about it.

>>12633834
tl;dr CDawg wanted to collab with Mori and Gura in a podcast (like the one Mori did with Anitubers) at some point at the start of the year. A-chan and ENMA (probably Omega) declined it, seeing that he is not that big of a person or just that the Hololive brand had nothing to do with him around (literally no topics). rrats say that both Ina and Gura were in heavy disagrement about this as well, ame didn't care, both mori and kiara were okay with the idea

>>12630768

Well I mean if twitch and hololive will never collab who gives a fuck. You can't get upset about shit that will never happen.

>>12630768
I mean, he's definitely not wrong. Mumei, Sana, and Fauna from EN gen 2 have definitely shown that even the most lackluster of girls can cash in big

That being said, it sounds like he's coping because Mori and Ollie closed the doors on him

don't think anybody here cares but the whole point wasn't to say hololive doesn't have talent, they were talking about making shit up in a job application and this was an example, an ipothetical if someone manages to get into a big company by lying and is not entertaining they would still make more money than a normal streamer at least for a while and desu it's true, i think holos all managed to find their niche or character to play into and be entartaining but you can't ignore the fact that most of holo en was 2views before hololive some even with years of streaming or big youtube channels, dumb move to make an example of this using hololive but the point he was making is not completely wrong just need to not use a schizo stan fanbase as an example next time

>>12634044
You know of a german/austrian girl that's better than her?

>>12633834
>Is it because he can’t collab with the big EN talents

>Says as he has already collabed with Ollie and Callie

>He’s probably grown up in a middle class background and always had whatever he wanted when he clicked his fingers
These two are not compatible

>>12633977
>Damn man, bitch got what he wanted from the start. Seems like he's in the same state of that faggot nux.
What's your fucking problem? And I'm like 90% sure half of Vshojo save for Melody fucking hate that Pewdiepie sounding fuckboy.

>>12634019
There's a video above in this thread, check it yourself
>>12633883
That Twitter tranny is a containment breaker and while his tweet got some traction it wouldn't have gone further had the TT subreddit not given it attention
It's similar to the Veibae drama, and it's unlikely but hopefully Connor also gets cockblocked

>>12630768
Out of context or not I'm happy that there's a huge chance he will distance himself from hololive after this, is like the third time he got hate he's not the untouchable guy he likes to be in vshojo in the holo side.

>>12634154
pretty sure he grew up working class welsh, which is like underclass for an american so that point is at least wrong.

>>12632082
Excellent bait. Here's your (you)

>>12633834
>He’s probably grown up in a middle class background and always had whatever he wanted when he clicked his fingers.
That's not how middle class works, retard.

>>12634287
Yes he did grow up in a middle class but a middle class don't " always had whatever he wanted when he clicked his fingers"

>>12634372
He didn't. He grew up in some fuckity council estate in Wales

>>12634275
He already got booted out of HoloID by M-chan, and apart from Mori, HoloEN has not spoken to him after the initial interview from TT, and even then Mori only speaks OF him, not TO him

it's safe to say if the Connor-Mouse/Vshojo correlation hasn't closed doors, this most definitely will

>>12633744
People portray 4chan and by extension /vt/ as a legitimate hivemind, so it must be easy to not pay mind to the opinions that come from here, even if not all of us are schizos and have actual arguments. Then again, i recall that there were also a lot of fellas here who freaked out just because they didn't liked Connor, as they saw him as a gigantic self interested asshole.

>>12634054
Source?
>spoiler
Based Trinity if true

>>12631048
If you are going to quote him, then transcribe what he said.
He didn't say that "hololive doesn't require talent".
He said that making money in hololive doesn't require talent.

>>12634534
He is not quoting shit, he is just a lying nigger

>>12634465
>Source?
you can't be so retarded to actually ask for source in a shit rrat like that

>>12634136
>the point he was making is not completely wrong just need to not use a schizo stan fanbase as an example next time
That's the exact fanbase that illustrates his point perfectly. The only flaw is expecting said fanbase to not act like schizos who feel attacked when hearing it.

>>12634275
This video was months ago, he was on ollies birthday stream recently. I don't think he's going anywhere

>>12634136
It's not really something you should say to the person who's in a company with Hime Hajime. If you were a 2view and got into Vshojo your views would skyrocket exactly the same way.

>>12634449

Aren't we all self interested assholes just some of us are better at it?

>>12634416
So poor? Poor people don't go to France on skiing trips

>>12634188
I don't hate vshojo girls bro, the truth is that i haven't checked them all of them. All i've seen from ironmouse are like 2 or 3 singing streams. Not any particular problem with the brand.

>>12634675
We shall see when we find out who the new member is
>with Hime Hajime
Her issue is not being a bad streamer, her issue is not streaming often enough

>>12632082
Think of the the worst smash character.
Is it more fun outside of smash?

I don't care what he said, or if it was true or not, but if it makes the anitubers and that slimy welshman feel like they have no place being involved in my hobby, i will push whatever rrat is presented to me.

>>12630768
Why do male streamers seethe so much about female streamers not collabing with them? They just never seem to let it go.

>>12634675
i know you're never gonna do it but if you actually watched a little of her stream she's actually good, she can keep talking and has some funny reactions also she has the specific type of scuff that is funny to watch, her last model debut was so fucked up it was one of the funniest model reveal i've seen in a while, problem is she has like 100 hour or less of total stream time in almost a year lmao

>>12634939
Because unlike the average jap/indog/spic/latino, etc, the amerifats and such like these faggots ONLY WANT TO COLLAB for the CLOUT. Nothing else, they won't even dare to fuck the vtubers in behind, all they want is more popularity.

>>12634136
He could have made up a company name or been vague with the company in question

He basically just drew all sorts of ire and attention to himself

>>12634894
I dunno?

>>12630768
He's right but he had no incentive to say this and all the reason not to. When will ecelebs understand their "job" is to appeal to the masses and not to speak their mind?

>>12630768
He just said a truth that hololive EN fans (aka 90% of /vt/) will never admit : joining hololive means you're sucessful. It doesn't matter if you're a good streamer, it doesn't matter if your content is good. Nothing matters. You're in Hololive, people will watch you. Why do you think Kronii, Mumei and Fauna get away with having the personality equivalent of a doormat and still get so many viewers? People watch the hololive brand, not the talent itself.

>>12634101
>Mumei, Sana, and Fauna from EN gen 2 have definitely shown that even the most lackluster of girls can cash in big
Completely subjective. I think Fauna is the best streamer out of Council by and far, though I don't find any of them lackluster.

What happened with Gigguk btw?
The other two appeared in Ollie's birthday stream but I haven't seen him since Shadowverse with Mori

>>12635109
I mean, he proved his point. People sperged out and cried over it even though he was just using the brand as an example, he didn't even say "yeah X Hololive is such a fucking hack"

>>12634742
Every year at that.
He's painfully middle class. The kind that bitch and moan that they never got the best toys when they got toys at all.
Aka a white nigger, which is basically what a welsh subhuman is.

>>12635154
I would say, in terms of actual appeal, but not actual talent
>Kronii, Baelz, Mumei, Fauna, Sana
But in terms of talent, but no real appearl
>Sana, Baelz, Kronii, Fauna, Mumei

>>12635239
More focused on being a youtuber then streaming, in the middle of planning a wedding and moving
>>12635304
Are you English?

>>12633695
>give how independent all the girls are and allowed to do their own thing
That's just how they operate.
She gains so much by just being in Vshojo alone. Things like having much easier time managing sponsorship and merch. Then there's also the actual viewer gains and such.
She (and her friends) was also in the "you'll get a lot more money than most people monthly" category. Continuing further is just bad PR all around.

People get really upset about how much their favorite streamer make even though it's in front of their eye most of the time. Take the recent twitch leak for example.
For Mouse, if I'm not wrong then the number 11,905 there is her sub count. That's close to 30k per month. Not to mention donations, and ad revenue if she does run ads.

God every waking second I hope the Japanese police frame Connor for some rape they committed and he ends up on Japanese deathrow. Knowing that he could get hanged any day without knowing the exact day is not cruel enough for the likes of him.

>>12635413
So GIgguk, the one that everyone called a massive faggot, is actually move on? I thought he was cringe.

>>12635239
meme shit? Caught cheating on Hime yet again by being balls deep in Mori, teaching her about his shadowverse deck
real shit? probably stressing out about his move and wedding along with figuring out new ways to avoid Connor's career poisoning rants

I can't blame him personally if the only holo I knew was Mori id think resume lying was necessary and talent wasn't required too

>>12634742
Yeah they do, travelling abroad in the UK is cheaper than travelling somewhere else in the UK

>>12635422
She was one of the top earners in that twitch leak

>>12634143
No women, but I read about an Austrian man that did some pretty great things a long time ago.

>>12630768
His point stands no matter which big name corporation you use as an example. Kind of the reason why mouse led him away from the conversation topic. He's not wrong, but as evidenced by this thread people will take it as an attack on the company mentioned. The point isn't that anyone in said company is talentless. The point is that brand name alone is such a huge factor in a field like vtubing where competition is so fierce that it's easier to just settle for big names rather than trawling through every single vtuber ever. Because big surprise - most people don't actually care about talent. So long as they get to see a cute anime girl giving them the occasional chuckle then the talent is just incidental. Sure, you'll drive away a lot of viewers if that's all you can offer, but the point remains that you definitely can maintain enough of an audience to just coast on that alone with some exposure.

>>12635252
How convenient that if no one reacts, it means that he's right, and if they disagree, it means he's right.
The whole point of joining a company is to get viewers you wouldn't have been able ot get otherwise. Same for Nijisanji, same for Vshojo, even the same for smaller companies like Tsunderia. Hell, a big part of the reason Kana probably left was because her numbers saw zero increase from being in there. By that statement he's shitting on all vtuber brands.

I swear I've seen this talked about already, the mods even deleted a couple threads. Are we recycling topics?

>>12635422
she was #163 i think and she deserve it, nobody gave a shit mouse memed on it by putting it on her titles for a while and shitting on connor for being a 4digits loser but i've seen literally nobody get mad nor her sub count decrease (except the boost from the subathon but she's still above her avarage even now), hail satan

>>12635422
>She gains so much by just being in Vshojo alone
Who, Ironmouse? She was streaming for 3 years before joining Vshojo and was there when it started. So you can't say that she saw a rise because of the brand and company.
>People get really upset about how much their favorite streamer make
I don't think anyone is upset over how much Ironmouse earns, and giving her situation they probably want her to earn as much as possible to get as much as possible

>>12632818
Genuinely curious who you'd replace Myth with (sans Gura) in their respective niches.

Mori => ?
Kiara => ?
Ina => ?
Ame => ?

>>12635252
Yea imagine if hololive actually had no talent hacks how funny would that be?

>>12635539
Mori was basically an attempt at English AZKi, then when she actually became halfway decent at games, and 100% good at paypig milking, then went out and fished up IRyS for the musical singer part

>>12631691
>explains himself
>"I think you dont have to be a good streamer to be successful in hololive"
how was the context important?
The important part is that this retard cant properly explain that "you dont have to be a good streamer" doesnt mean "you dont have to be entertaining or hard working" because Mori wasnt a good streamer but she is talented and hard working.
He fails to understand that hololive is not just streaming and streaming is more of a side gig, despite making more money for the girls and the company.
apart from that it's just plain retarded to "shittalk" a company with someone from another company and he is too retarded to see this even after Mousey tells him he is retarded twice.
Connor is just dumb and has no grasp on what hololive is, yet he wants to run his mouth about it and seem like an expert.

>>12635762
>>12635764
The point was that she was really smart to avoid that conversation.

>>12635506
And what you mean "is actually move on"? He and Sidney recently moved from an apartment to a house that they are leasing.
>>12635576
Not on skii trips, those things are expensive.

>>12632818
>other than Gura
She was 2 bottles and a few months behind on rent away from ending up as some chad's baby dispenser anon. Gura is the luckiest out of all of them

>>12635881
Says who? My school was voted the worst school in Scotland and we went skiing every year

>>12635749
If no one reacts then he is just a retard vomiting his retarded opinions (he still is but he wouldn't even have a point in that case).
I do agree that this shit applies to literally every brand but I don't find an issue with that because I think brand loyalty is fucking retarded.

>>12635539
>mori faked her audition
Gimme your best rrat, im new here

>he says "hololive doesnt actually require talent, you make more money than most people see in their life just from the brand"

I don't usually agree with retard anitubers, but he said the truth here, the best "talent" you can ask from these girls is to have enough patiance to deal with a bunch of autistic weebs on every stream maintaining a fake personality.

>>12635749
no you retard, he made the example with vtubers because if you havent noticed yet he was talking to one of the biggest vtuber community on twitch, they were talking about lying on job applications in general and it was an example, he didn't say it happens only in holo ffs it even happened to him with trash taste but guess where the company boost is stronger in the vtuber community, of course you wouldn't make an example with some shit company like myHolotv or some shit

>>12635749
Him being right isn't contigent on the reactions he gets. The anon you're replying to is simply saying a lot of people aren't even listening to his point, and instead taking it as attack on their favourite company. These are the kind of people who will put brand loyalty above anything, which is just kind of ironic when you consider what the point being made is.

>>12636112
Anon means to say Mori had 0 streaming experience, but she got in because Milky convinced her too. She genuinely faked it till she made it, but she had SOME level of community interaction

>>12635940
In France? How did funding for this happen, do you know where in France

>>12636183
So what is the rrat here? Did she fake her resume or not? Simply applying and getting in doesnt reveal anything

>>12635794
>Mori =>
literelly just a rapper she didn't have streaming experience
>Kiara =>
anyone of the absurd amount of vtuber willing to put more than 8 hours into the job extra points if the speak japanese
>Ina =>
don't get me wrong i like ina but just take another artist with a likeble voice and you don't need anything else
>Ame =>
any variety game streamer with some streaming experience and some tech knowledge

also gura is probably impossible to replace with anyone at this point but you have to remember before holo she failed at streaming lmao

>>12636314
Average weekly rental price for Skii's in france is like 50 euro, a plane ticket like 70 quid and a hotel like 50 quid a night.
Are you British? You know pretty much everyone works for either a holiday or to drink on the weekend.

>>12636395
Believe the pre-reqs for applying to Hololive at that point was to have experience and know about the general setups (OBS being most important, streaming setups like transition frames, knowing how to apply your rigged model with webcam etc)

Mori would later admit to having Kiara and Ame help her out on a massive level for these things, so yes...she did lie

>>12636395
She said she basically faked her personality on the audition.She said on the TT podcast that the "grossly misrepresented herself" or something along those lines.

>>12636395
She faked her japanese skills, management thought that she was actually good at japanese, that's about it

>>12636457
>Are you British
No I'm Swedish, so perhaps that screws with my perspective of things. For us it's more expensive to go skiing outside of Sweden then outside of it, especially places like France

>>12632555
Trips of truth. Thread could have ended here.

>>12635794
They won't give solid examples of 2views because there's literally no one that can't be assaulted with the same arguments.
The flip side of saying that 2views are as good as the ones in hololive is to say that those in hololive are just as good as any 2view out there.

What he said wasn't a revolutionary hot take. Indies have freedom but have to climb to the top. Corpos start at the top, however they have to keep themselves and others afloat which is more precarious than it seems. His tone and phrasing makes it sound like the corpos only need to tread water as soon as they're thrown in the pool, because he's trying to flaunt that his status was all of his own work. However, Connor wouldn't have his career gutted if he mentioned Taiwan on a video. Indies and corpos are apples and oranges so he's fucking retarded for bringing it up in the first place.

>>12636671
feels like someone doesn't know holoEN numbers (both generations) before joining holo, do your reps

>>12636776
>What he said wasn't a revolutionary hot take
It really wasn't, just everyone who had said it before either wasn't big time, or knew how to make it a nuanced statement. Even if he's 100% right, they, the holotribalists, will see this like the Veibae spiel and anti him to hell and back

>>12636545
>>12636594
>>12636599
So conner is literally talking about her then

>>12636610
I mean going skiing in France shows his family wanted to be middle class at least, just like his parents choice of schools and his own choice of abandoning his accent.
But we're British so class is something you're born into.

>>12636981
Of course, because he only knows about her, I doubt she watched the streams of even the other ENs

>>12635492
>can finally have women in the palm of your hand by being some big influencer
>somehow they still tell you no

>>12637186
>>12634939
Wrong guy

>>12634808
>>12634986
Which proves that she doesnt care about her vtubing carrer compared to her RL one. Its a wasted slot in the group that still gets buffed by the brand.

>>12631048
said the guy who makes more money than most people will see in their life by playing video games
yeah, sure, he had to grind his way up there, but it's not like hololive is hiring random crackheads off the streets, you gotta beat thousands of applicants, if not tens of thousands, so it's not like they don't have to do anything

>>12636807
And that raises the other point as to why these specific people were picked - they need hololive. Without hololive they are nothing (besides Ina). You seem to think this is a flaw. To Cover this is a bonus.
No one in Cover wants a 2view who is good enough to go into hololive, use it as a stepping stone, and bail after a year pulling their viewers with them. No one in Cover wants a 2view who has a viable alternate career path and just cuts their identity and runs when they stagnate as a 'mere' 700-viewer holo and realize they could make more money as a software engineer. There are more qualifications than just 'wow a better streamer'.

>>12637316
he makes videos about japan for a living. Not livestreaming games

>>12637316
>he had to grind
No he wasfriends with some hafu faggot living in Japan that got sponsored by kadokawa and that decided to make a show with him to shill kadokawa products.
He's a fucking hypocrite faggot that should die.

>>12637258
i get your point but i think we need to give her the benefit of the doubt right now, she was in an apartment in japan wiith the loudest voice know to humans so it's hard to strem and she had like a 2month trip for wedding papers or something and just moved to a new house, she said now she will stream more so we can see how it goes for a little, starting today btw

>>12637427
you are literally making the same point as connor but even worse lmao he said you don't need to be talented in theory to get numbers but you are saying you have to not be too talented to get in wtf lmao

>get job at Hololive
>stream 4 times a week
>suddenly be busy
>take months off
>make $14k a month still
He's literally not wrong lmao

>>12637443
i don't fucking watch his videos, he sometimes just shows up on my twitch, and he's always playing apex

>>12637633
>stream 4 times a week
with one of them or half of all stream not having to make content, just reading donos back to back

>>12636139
He'd have more of a shot at getting it through if he didn't word it that badly. I get his point - bullshitting your way through job applications is a thing, and coasting on brand recognition for a while before people fully notice is also a thing.
The way OP's clip makes him seem to word it however, comes across as accusing the current talents of making up those credentials to get in, which... no, it's known that Hololive straight-up requires at least a year of consistent content-creation experience to be even considered in the first place, and the audition competition is fierce.
This is what Mouse pointed out, I think, when she throws the "you don't know what you're talking about" to Connor; he's using a bad example to illustrate the point. She would know; she grinded for years to have the streaming reps necessary to hold her own under the VShojo banner (hell, I'd say those skills she developed are part of why VShojo is a trusted brand).
For me... knowing the full context, the whole thing can't be proven properly because see above, but I agree with the video >>12631691 posted; this looks really bad out-of-context.

>>12637073
Lower class people go to spain and shit, skiing was always a middle class/grammar school thing

>>12637697
well I am a TT fanboy and his main income is YT, patreon money from TT, his own primary patreon money and his second twitch highlight channel where him and his editor splits the adrevenue 50/50

>>12637767
Yeah so if you wanted to be middle class, you would do such things.
There's a simple reality. A middle class brit could move to my industrial estate, work as a cashier and become an alcoholic but they will always be 'one of them'

>>12637108
So hes just salty that she makes more money then him or something?

>>12637623
It's self-evident that Cover would prefer it if you weren't able to make it as an indie on your own. Why do you think so many of them have shitty backstories and menhera tendencies? That's why it's hilarious when people start talking about talent, being a better streamer, etc as a basis for 'better picks'. They're looking for people to be the best holos, not to be the best streamers. Part of being a good holo requires you to, you know, have the tendency to continue being a holo.
And maybe there is a hard truth there that being a better holo is more entertaining for the audience than being a better streamer. At the end of the day, the only important thing is the enjoyment that the audience gets, after all.

>>12638009
>she makes more money then him
debatable

>>12635940
Oh, you're scottish? Can you speak scots or gaelic?

>>12631920
Unless your ID branch

>>12638009
>man who makes more money than he deserves to is salty at woman who makes more money than she deserves to

>>12638247
>It's self-evident that Cover would prefer it if you weren't able to make it as an indie on your own
That's not it though. They don't need to have streaming experience but that has nothing to do with why and nothing you said about it is self-evident.
>>12638344
well scots sure but I don't consider it a language, it's just english but better and I don't even know hello in gaelic.

>>12637316
Cover should hire random crackheads off the street. I don't want more Professional Streamers overing me Standardized and Tried and True content, I want weirdos with strange interests and skillsets showcasing their strangeness to the world. No I do not want AAA rehashed trash, I want eurojank with more bugs than your mother's vagina.

>they hated him because he told the truth.

>>12638762
just watch nijisanji then

>>12638247
Like 80% of JP holos were streamers and some were the top of NND

>>12637816
>TT fanboy

>>12638736
>it's just english but better
how lol

>>12635758
multiple times already

>>12630874
He was litterally just having a small malding moment when he remembered that Ame blocked him and he couldnt get the big attention.

>>12640084
she blocked gigguk, not connor.

>>12639945
Flow, speaking is really easy on the tongue. Words that make you sound weak or weird like 'grumpy' or 'beautiful' is changed.

>>12630768
Midwit take from connur, but I don't blame him. When streaming your IQ is reduced to single numbers, and you need to say something to entertain people, even if you didn't had the chance to think about what you're talking
Of course, you can't back down either, or at least, not frequently

>>12640242
>Words that make you sound weak or weird like 'grumpy' or 'beautiful'
how insecure

>>12631048
>>12634534
>He said that making money in hololive doesn't require talent.
What a retard. He probably doesn't even know low-tier Holos like pic related exist and thinks they all make Pekora money. Now I understand why people shit on Connor for he is truly a niggerfaggot.

>>12640330
it's just fact, if you don't like the choice of words then we can call it awkward or unnatural. Also words that sound weird to say compared to others.

>>12630768
Months old weak bait dude, he's also right the brand gives you a head start, that's the whole point of joining a corpo and giving away some of your freedom, why are people malding about this? Is it because of how successful he is, or what?

>>12635758
welcome to 4chan

>>12632552
Mumei is entertaining but she would not be nearly as popular as she is without Hololive. I'm surprised people in this thread actually think it's not relevant to the success of the talent. It's just a fact the more recognizable the brand it the more success you'll get from it just by being a member of it. This is true for multiple kinds of industry not just vtubing.

>>12634054
This was a decent rrat up until you said Kiara was okay with the collab, considering she's talked on stream about not wanting to colllab with him or trashtaste

>>12636599
But she knows japanese. Still got that nihonggo jouzu accent but she can converse just fine. Look for Holodeath collab stream

fucking whiny bitches in this thread. Connor is based for exposing your holo whores for the talentless bitches they are leeching of off the first generations who built up the brand. Suck my cock yesmen.

He is right
But still an ass for saying it, if someone says something there is a motive to saying it.

>>12632082
based,

>>12643969
shes been nihongo jozu for years because she's too lazy to actually speak the language of the country she has been living in for many years

>>12644276
Yeah, his motive is jealousy

>>12632552
You piece of shit.

>>12630874
He's pulling a Joe Rogan

>>12638762
>Cover should hire random crackheads off the street.

You've never met an actual crackhead.

>>12644711
Yes I did, it was your mum anon.

>>12630768
He's a 100% right.

Isn’t this guy part of a group with their own brand? Guess he lied to get in and is now deflecting to others

connor is such a fucking annoying normie faggot. i don't know a lot about him because i can't stand his stupid face and annoying voice. he reminds me a little of marv from home alone, except he's never been funny once in his goddamn life.

his schtick is boring as hell. his entire personality revolves around him being 'too cool' for 99% of weeb culture, but he keeps fucking slamming his dick into it over and over again anyway because i guess some people find it amusing to watch his awkward reactions. "ah er um what the fuck? haha *nervous laughter* why is this anime girl's boobs so big??? huh??? lol"

i honestly don't get it, is he roleplaying some kind of groundhog day thing? he seems to be in a constant state of surprise at very basic weeb culture shit. he reminds me of this documentary i once saw about an old british man with an 18 second memory.

and the worst part is, i can't fucking get rid of this stupid cunt. he's always in my fucking youtube recommendations even though i make it a point never to watch anything that he's in. every time i see his cross-eyed, peachfuzz-covered face i tell youtube never to show me that channel again. but like covid, he spreads from clip channel to clip channel. i haven't watched an ironmouse clip in like four months because of him. and i like ironmouse! too bad she associated herself with a strain of youtube aids like him

fuck that guy

Every time one of these faggots opens their mouth is a time we're reminded why Anitubers deserve the rope.

>>12631834
I don't care if he's giving the dying mouse a baby, I just don't want him near the holo girls

>>12645294
Youtube recommendations won't help you. Try a therapist instead.

>>12645938

how the fuck is a therapist going to keep connor out of my youtube recommendations? are you retarded anon

>>12646094

>>12646210

i don't get it, connor isn't my nemesis, he's just an annoying faggot that i hate

>kamaru puts on an african accent when he goes "home"

this guy is so fake, he's still gonna kill colby but man is he insufferable

>>12630768
Where is Kiara when you need her.
We need Kiara malding about this comment.

>>12645294
Holy shit.
I feel like i wrote this.
I cant get this shithead out of my recommends no matter how much i click to dont recommend me both connor and the mouse, he always finds a way like holy shit youtube calm down.

"They hated him for telling the truth"

>>12631691
I don't think Connor is wrong within the context of his comment but he chose a shit example to illustrate it that implies Hololive talent will be successful no matter what and I think that opinion is backwards. Hololive is basically the Disney of vTubing, they have a brand reputation to uphold and releasing shit into the world would damage the brand so the vetting and creation process must be pretty extreme. Like, Disney movies always do extremely well at the box office, but if they produced something that looks like my high school film project, the entire brand would be heavily damaged. Hololive has the same responsibility to uphold.

I have no idea who connor is

>>12630874
how does it feel to be a faggot

>>12637816
Literally how do you live with yourself? Jesus

>>12637816
>TT fanboy

>>12635851
>how was the context important?
it wasn't, it's called damage control

Connor has some of the shittest takes I've ever fucking seen. Fuckhead thinks he's this classy, cool dude but he's really just an egotistical moron fumbling his way through every interaction. Every fucking Trash Taste you can see Garnt and Joey get visibly annoyed whenever he opens his mouth and desperately try to let him down and tell him how wrong he is gently because they don't want to deal with him losing his shit.

>>12632082
>million times better than any other female vtuber
I would definitely not have a single interest in watching sachi, senzawa or some other shitty indie.

>>12649284
>>12649192
My favorite podcast of all time. I love watching grown men argue about food
>>12649403
He plays it up for the camera you dork

>>12649403
I don't even watch him and what he's saying is absolutely true. Someone with huge following has to say it.

>>12640206
Ame actually blocked Connor’s name in her chat when he tried being an attention whore. She later blocked Gigguk on twitter as a “joke” but never unblocked him kek

>>12649588
like the accent?

>>12649685

ame is fucking based

>>12649685
She blocked his name in chat much later after he just left s shitty dono one time cuz Cali recommended her to him. She blocked his name in chat because her chat kept spamming his name in chat and in twitter replies, which may actually have been in favor for him because he now has a reason to slide into her DMs and chat her up by opening with something like ”sorry about all people spamming you”

>>12631584
Literally everyone in Hololive has gone through the grind, either in their previous life/roommate or when Hololive was in general a grind

He's right

>>12644167
I can only respect up to the second generation of hololive who tried to stick out and make the brand, the rest are just talentless leeches and onlt there for the easy subs and money.

>>12649738
His shitty takes he varelse agrees with himself sometimes, and his attitude like when speaking down to the peasants

>>12650166
>his attitude like when speaking down to the peasants
which is ironic considering where he's from

>>12650166
Barely* excuse my phoneposting

>>12630768
How would my fellow holobronies deny this truth?

>>12636776
Almost every indie applies to hololive though. The audition process just accelerates the 'climb to the top', and filters out the harmful subversive whores.

chris broad should have left connor behind at the abandoned factory

>>12633315
im gonna punch you right in your whore mouth

>>12650379
I don't care I don't see girls like that where I live.

>>12650153
I think this is a shitty take, because Pekora and Coco were instrumental in paving the way for Hololive to be the giant it is today. Literally without them, we may have never gotten EN or ID and without them, literally everyone would still be lounging around 200-300k subscribers at most right now.

>>12650491
He’s retarded, gen 3 put Hololive on the map and started the gen unity everyone loves.

>>12650648
Agreed.

>>12649685
>>12649980
>>12650008
Where did people get this misinformation from? Is this the animal farm by george orwell? Even in the clip where Connor donates, Amelia thanks Connor for treating Mori with kindness in the podcast. Pretty weird for her to block him after that? Just accept that you guys are the minority who sees Connor as the boogie-man because no VTubers really have anything against the guy

>>12650817
>no VTubers really have anything against the guy
I present my rrats to you

>>12650817

i can't hear you with connor's dick so far down your throat. fag

>>12650817
what's does animal farm have to do with it faggot

>>12630768
>you do not have to be a good streamer
But you Must be better then every other person who applied to Hololive (6k+ last time)
>you will get a LOT of money
did he just ignored HoliID and low tier HoloJP members? anyway..
>Holo cut
>YT cut
>tax (mb even twice for foreigners)
already more than 50%
>OG songs
>MVs for OG songs and Covers
>singing lessons
>dancing lessons
>High end PC (especially the video card)
>etc.
as example Watame spent her BD/anniversary money for songs right after it

>>12630768
mad respect to Mousy

>>12650817
>Is this the animal farm by george orwell
is this the only book you have ever read? How the fuck is it connected to this situation?

>>12631834
Can she even do the deed though? I thought her condition made that less than practical

>>12651317
>>12651500
That you all obedienty listen to the ”actual events” told by napoleon (2nd hand anons) about how snowball (Connor) was plotting collabing with the entirety of holomyth and groom ame to come on their podcast.

Sounds like you don’t want to accept reality. Keep coping and i usel animal farm as an example because it is a classic all you ESLs will be able to understand

>>12651769
what the fuck you talking about it was only last year. During TT podcast with calli he asked for vtuber recommendations, she said Ame and then not long after he superchatted her saying some fag shit like "I heard I should check you out" was something gay like that anyway.
Chat did spam, his name was literally banned.
I dunno about the twitter nonsense.
Really though, where the fuck is your information coming from?

>>12652121
>hey heard i should check you out
i would cringe if i'm not laughing my ass off

>>12640340
>He probably doesn't even know low-tier Holos like pic related exist and thinks they all make Pekora money
This is absolutely the case. I remember during the TT Mori interview Connor thought the word "doujin" meant porn and only porn. He's the kind of person who has surface knowledge of a topic at best, but presents himself as an expert anyway.

>>12652121
See >>12650008
Literally the same info and don’t Imply that because chat is annoying sperg retards, means that ame despises Connor. You are autistic if you think that

>>12645294
Dangerously based post.

>>12652407
Same info because it's telling you exactly what happened

You guys do know Connor is gay right? Like an actual gay guy. He likes to fuck men's ass.

>>12630874
>As a person who actually likes watching the guy
you and him both are retarded

>>12652286
He said ”is this the toxic gamer” because mori sold her as that to him. He didn’t superchat the latter. Again proving this board is a living George Orwell novel.

>>12636429
I’m not sure about Ame, she seems “off” in a good way. Maybe I just need to watch more streamers to get a better comparison

I swear every single faggot that breaks containment on twitter is annoying.

>>12652619
how is paraphrasing anything to do with George Orwell either? Are you a larping commie?

>>12650817
I get that you just finished reading the book last night but don't flex on that shit here.

>>12652619
Don't care, didn't ask plus you and connor suck a tranny's dick

>>12652656
I'll take them over the ones from YouTube any day

>>12652681
Paraphrasing should trigger the biggest red flags for leftist tactics (pun intendent) paraphrasing causes a LOT of misinformation possibly including this one about ame

>>12652681
His class was just forced to read it, his almonds got activated, and now he thinks he has the world figured out. To make sure everyone else knows how enlightened he has become, he now name drops it whenever given the chance. Many such underage b& cases.

>>12650817
>>12651769
>>12652619
The Animal Farm by George Orwell. Classic novel, thats its exact name.

>>12631584
>you doesnt have to be a good streamer
Why did he say this?

>>12637816
excellent bait
if not kill yourself but for real

>>12652831
I only used ”the” in one post as in ”the book”. Your ESL levels are showing.
>>12652799
Pretty cool that people are more upset about my taste in litterature than the actual topic at hand

Biggest question here is why he doesnt jump on the vtuber shit himself to prove them wrong or something.

>>12652794
>Paraphrasing should trigger the biggest red flags for leftist tactics
nah it shouldnae, leftist tactics don't involve discussion at all.
Look, the meaning is exactly the same. He asked Calli that question, she responded with Ame and a reason. I paraphased it as the question rather than the reason, big deal?
Would you have felt better if there was ellipsis to imply there was more speech left out of the SC? because its really not relevant.

>>12653000
>Gets mad at people being misinformed about a subject they already have a bias against and would not care about fact checking because they don't give a shit and will never will
Really now?

>>12653000
>My ESL levels
>>12650817
>boogie-man
>>12651769
>obedienty
>usel
>plotting collabing
>and groom ame
Pot calling the kettle black, mayhaps?

>>12653071
This is a pointless discussion. I don’t have the time to argue with ambigous statements such as
>leftist tactics don't involve discussion at all.

connor only said that because everything he said applies to mori, it would've been different if the podcast was with a good vtuber

>>12653245
don't argue with it, it's not pol

>>12653270
Like Ironmouse.

>>12645294
He's your typical fucking limey. Those isles should be sank to the bottom of the channel.

So if I'm understanding this correctly, this was brought up by him saying that people have an incentive to lie on the hololive application as if you get in you'll get a huge boost to your numbers and marketability just from being in the hololive brand than if you were an indie 2view.
Which he isn't wrong, but he's underestimating the amount of research the interviewers are doing on the applicants, and that, has been shown recently, just because they hold auditions, if they don't feel anyone meets their requirements they might just not hire anyone.
And if you get caught lying on your application, espcially for something like being a streamer which is extremely easy to get caught for since your entire career as a streamer is going to be documented so they can actually go and watch your previous content, would probably instantly disqualify you.

So all in all this Connor guy might have had a point, but if you think about his logic for a little you see he actually doesn't as Hololive isn't just going to pick up anyone, But the people who do get picked up do undeniably get a significant boost to their streams.
But the REAL benefit to hololive, which isn't about monthly income is more about getting insider access to TONS of corporate connections with many different companies and brands, that you could NEVER get as an indie.

>>12653176
Does my tiny typos that really didn’t affect your understanding of my sentence play any significant role? Or are you just nitpick/coping
>>12653135
I’m just explaining the truth to everyone who redas this thread so people can stop being so biased toward hating this guy in a relentless manner. I’m doing this to reduce these kinds of threads and give birth to healthy discussion of the matter based on fact and not the tunnelvisioned rage of the hlgg mob.

>>12653796
>Does my tiny typos
>Nitpick/coping
Anon, you made heavy grammatical mistakes. Clearly SEA, dont try and project.

>>12653796
>LEAVE CONNOR ALONE
SEAnigger this isn't reddit. The guy deserve to get shit on simply for being off topic.

>>12653865
Did it on purpose to annoy you again. See my other wonderfully crafted paragraph which you didn’t have time to consume because you were busy mashing your keys.

Keep in mind it’s all phoneposted, so don’t mind any minor mistakes

this fucking thread again? faggot op

>>12654038
Wow, you were only pretending to be retarded! Crazy. Anyways, your other paragraph has shitty grammatical choices like
>biased toward
>of the matter based on fact
Again, SEA projecting.

>>12654006
Not >leave Connor alone
More >stop being obsessed with this guy i see threads of atleast once every 2 days he is just a normal dude.

>Connorfag whiteknighting his homo
No one cares nigger, people already hate him for being an anituber and probably the one from TT who attracts the most ironic weebs. If people are throwing shit to him because of his (misinterpreted or not) retarded statements, then he'll suffer just as the many individuals that fall prey to shitposters
If you're going to defend anything about him, say shit directly instead of going on a rant of pure babblery excusing every fucking point this faggot could've had wrong. This isn't Reddit, and it's funny because the Twitterfag that started this "issue" got raided by redditors that like to mock on vtubers and their fans when they aren't any better if not worse

>>12654128
whats wrong with his sentences?

>once you get into a popular lawfirm you don't need to be a good lawyer, you will earn more money than regular lawyers will ever see in their lifetime

>>12654154
He doesnt care about you and you will never suck his dick. Go back.

I personally blame mori more than connor

>>12630768
I've watched Connor in passing the past couple years.
Always got weird vibes from him, like he's an impulsive liar or something. Just reminds me of some of "Friends" i've had in the past that wind up being manipulative assholes. For one I really think he's lying about his age. Dude looks like he's pushing 30. And just the way he acts in some of the public places he goes to in his IRL videos, comes off like he's trying hard to mask being a complete narc.

>>12653000
Name dropping anything repeatedly is cringe and makes it seem like you just want some sort of recognition for knowing about it rather than making any sort of point with it. Whether or not that is your intent, that's how it comes across as many posts have already said.

A critique of communism and anons calling people faggots and being professional rrat tossers don't even marginally have anything to do with each other. I don't care if you see some sort of parallel. This board is not a real life government. The more tangential the comparison, the more likely it is that you're seeing a false pattern / coincidence.

Using an authority for your argument rather than your own substance makes your argument look weak. Having George Orwell's The Animal Farm™ support you (it doesn't) means absolutely nothing, and the fact that you think it might means you are either an idiot who is also easily swayed by authority, or hoping the person you are talking to is easily swayed by authority and will give you an easy out because of it.

Trying to make a comparison, inference, etc. upon reality using a fictional story is completely retarded. Even if it seems the events in the story have some sort of seemingly logical reasoning of why they happen in the way that they do, this can in no way be used as evidence that the same result would occur in real life because its all been contrived by the author to bolster whatever point he's trying to make.

>>12645294
holy BASED post, maybe even only good post in this thread

>>12632082
holotrannies are pathetic

>>12654279
>biased toward
It's biased towards, anyways that word choice is dogshit. I would go with
>People can stop hating this guy in a relentless manner
Because being biased towards hating him doesnt make sense in that context.
>Of the matter based on fact
Too long with unneeded words. It should be
>Based on facts

Limey you are the living embodiment of that smug bespectacled soijack. Do everyone a favor and tie a millstone around your smarmy queer neck and jump into the nearest body of water.

>>12632709
>>12654541
yep. Nasim was right. I'm never gonna listen to this e-celeb faggot, and anyone that gives these antis any attention is just as retarded as every other member of any other "discourse subculture."

>>12653041
He is a man, anon.

>>12635851
If streaming is the side gig for holos, what's the main gig?

>>12655180
Kuzuha is a man.

>>12655231
Idol larp every few months.

>>12654600
>this can in no way be used as evidence that the same result would occur in real life because its all been contrived by the author to bolster whatever point he's trying to make.
But that means you can't make a comparison to anything that you haven't experienced yourself. I do agree that authors try to make points, but so do all story tellers. Like does it matter if Orwell shot an elephant or not, if the metaphor about colonialism and the cucked tyranny of the west still holds up?

Why is there so much cope? Seriously there is NOTHING worth debating here. All he said is true.
> Getting into Hololive means instant financial success, you WILL make absolute bank compared to what an average person makes
True. The girls are making a lot of money. It's easy to figure out some are multimillionaires just by doing so napkin math. Hololive managed to attract fans who donate and buy merch a lot. They are also a lot more receptive to shill streams.
> Being in Hololive means you'll get massive audiences watching you even though you might not be the best streamer
True. Most Holos absolutely suck with anything that's remotely technical, things that a 2view would need to know in order to make a decent stream. Most holos were not streamers before joining Hololive, so we can't really blame them. But just by comparing you average Holo to any big Twitch streamer, it's easy to see actual streamers know their shit a lot more and have learned to entertain audiences to a much better degree than what Hololive does. Whether we like it or not, Holos are still small fishes in a big pound when it comes to streaming in general, and it shows. They have no clue how to advertise their streams or schedule their shit, some are still total fucking neet shut-ins and it might be cute for holofans, but being a shut-in on Twitch won't get you far. There is a reason why the biggest streamers all have ADHD. Truth of the matter is they got their streaming careers given on a silver plater and their audiences are receptive to them being bad at what they do, they would get nowhere starting from scratch. They might have big roomates accounts in their own rights, but most of them were NOT big streamers.
inb4
> B-BUT PEKORA FIRST FEMALE STREAMER
First female streamer still means jack shit compared to big names on twitch
> B-BUT THEY'RE IDOLS NOT STREAMERS
They're streamers that larp as idols.

Hololive gets massive oportunities that even the biggest streamers can't get, they are backed by massive marketing campaigns throughout Japan and to some extent in the West as well.

Also I've seen this float around on this thread, but getting through the audition doesn't mean "you're the best out of all the others", like AT ALL. It just means you fit more into the whatever idea Cover had in mind for their character.

>>12645294
Based except youtube keeps his shit out my reccs at least, sorry about that bro.

>>12634275
>more or less got told to fuck off by EN
>tried to get into with HoloID, but even they told him to fuck off after a while
>"suddenly" starts to stream with Mouse, eventually ends up streaming constantly with her, even ends up in collabs
He's done with Hololive, whether he's butthurt about something or blocked by management, it's irrelevant. He's not chasing down Kronii or Pekora for interviews. It's actually funny, if he was genuine and honest he could probably still do stuff with the Hololive girls regularly, like RPR does. Clearly management and the girls (except for fucking Ollie) clearly saw something wrong with him, so he got mad and fucked off.

>>12655578
What nigga do you really expect me to read all that shit?

>>12655684
based retard, I find text with more than 2 sentences scary too.

>>12655593
> Management saw something wrong with him
Pimp management probably thought that him having a dick might cause some outrage if he talked to some of their girls.

>>12654541
>manipulative
I kind of feel like this. He seems to latch onto whoever is popular in the moment. I don't find it surprising he's trying to get into it with whatever vtuber will let him. In the end he's just trying to become popular by whatever means necessary.
I feel like it traces back to his initial start of popularity from just memeing Black Butler shit. Without a doubt he didn't give two shits about that anime but found out it got him a lot of attention so he kept making content revolving around it while simultaneously laughing in the face of teen girls who legit liked it.

>>12655578
>NOTHING worth debating here
see >>12654973
by making this post you are suggesting talking about who youtube promotes is worth any more than talking about atheism or any other bullshit. Can you admit you're retarded nigger that is bumping a reddit containment thread?

>>12655578
it's funny because he says that to ironmouse who also benefits from a vtuber group brand

>>12631691
So this retard is trying to say is the audience is fool and will watch anyone who makes it to hololive

>>12630874
Fact or rrat, I'm not entirely sure.

Connor is dating Milky Queen and he's butthurt that she has been rejected from them for 3 rounds of auditions.

>>12656989
and the streamer doesn't have to put any effort after getting the job

>>12630768
I just find this more baffling than disrespectful. This guy wanted to collab with Hololive more than any other e-celeb and is talking to the person that wanted to be in their circle more than him. He's not wrong but pointing this out just makes him look two-faced.

>>12657044
>Connor is dating
kek