/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>12360404
How come Kuzuha is so big? Genuine question, I don't watch him. He's male and in nijisanji so I don't get it.

>>12360404
Oh shit, homofags will attack you and homomeido will nuke this thread.

This bait is amazing and really revelas the lengths of ignorance people will feign to piss others off. You're real amazing, OP. Sorry your oshi will never fuck you lol

>>12360568
>This bait
YAGOO gives them everything he has but they still ranked at the bottom.

>>12360583
It's a well known fact that holostars gets very little support and Dolla in proportion to hololive and led to the graduation of one of it's gen 1 members. If you don't like them and you hate that they're collaging with oshis fine, but to claim that yahoo gives them everything and they're treated with the same care as live is just simply not the truth.

>>12360733
>same care as live
Maybe not same care as LiveJP but sure as hell much better than LiveEN in every way.

>>12360508
Well, how come XQC is so big?

>>12360733
Cover gave them more support than EN and ID, they get 3Ds and new costumes at the same time, while ENs are left to rot in the corner.

>>12360807
Oh, so you mean they set up stars with well known sound producers and sound mixers like Calli? Or have a huge media blast campaign like they did for Myth and Council? Maybe they encourage or give sponsored collabs and animations like UMISEA?
Just admit you hate men and watch your oshi. Seriously.

>>12360733
>holostars gets very little support and Dolla in proportion to hololive
If you compare them to how much money they got, holostars got more funding more than all hololive combined

>>12360862
EN and ID literally can't do a 3D concert even though they've been planning for months because COVID has made travel restrictions fucking impossible. The only one they could do is Calli, which they won't because they like to have 3D debuts all at once per gen. Except for holostars which had theirs broken up for months at a time.

The vtuber audience is primarily male and of the sex-deprived variety. Of course the female vtubers are gonna do better no matter what the male ones do.

>>12360404
>""These" "Japanese" ""men"" "have" "plenty" "of" "resources" "but" "can't" "succeed""." "They" "steal" "the" "3D" "that" "was" "for" "HoloMyth" "but" "can't" "succeed""." "They" "steal" "the" "money" "that" "was" "supposed" "give" "HoloMyth" "new" "costumes" "weeks" "ago" "but" "will" "propably" "happen" "sometime" "next" "year" "if" "ever""," "but" "still" "can't" "succeed". "What" "exactly" "are" "these" "faggots" "good" "for" "other" "than" "wasting" "money" "and" "resources"? "YAGOOs" "fucktoys?"

>>12360923
And EN still has no new costumes, ID1 got theirs after more than a year, longer than any homos. Then you still have the gall to chimp out about UMISEA.

>>12360894
>What is gen 1 and 2
It too forever for some of the girls to start turning a profit. Akirose Mel and Choco being chief among them.

>>12361021
holostars still get more funding than both of them if you talk about proportion.

>>12361011
Love how you didn't counter any of the other points lol. I'm not chimping out. You're arguing that holostars get more support when that's just factually not true. EN has alternate costumes, do you not remember catshark? And they already have new ones in the works. It also took over a year for stars members to get even ONE outfit, and now to make up for lost time they're getting more, as is ID since they just got new ones. Try harder.

>>12361060
Sources, do you have them? Roberu and Astel get quite a bit of super chats. And Id think that Aki, who had been around since the beginning and was immediately in a car accident that kept her from working for months, had quite a bit more invested in her than fucking oga.

>>12360851
that damn XQC guy, probably he got alot of fujos watching him. baka

Personally I want to see Holostars EN happen because I think it'd be hilarious to male EN Vtubers blow up. I doubt Yagoo will actually drop the money to make it happen though

>>12360883
Oh fuck off. Calli does and pays her own music. She knows music business and doesn't want to be Covers bitch and I highly respect her for that even if I dislike her music. Blast campaigns? Some two dollar amateur videos in Youtube, yeah. And Holostars have not have any sponsors, are you sure? But I give you two facts, they don't have UMISEA, which isn't much to write home about and I do hate most men (and most women).

>>12361139
>Calli does and lays for her own music
LOL
She certainly does not do her own production. Which since you obviously don't know what that means in terms of the music industry, she does not do her own music or instrumentals anymore, chief among them is RED. That entire EP had other producers, sound designers, and editors all over it. they hooked her up with on of the best Japanese rap producers in the game for her debut EP. It's not a criticism - most musicians do it. But holostsrs has not ever gotten that support or those connections.

>>12361242
But she OWNS it doesn't she? She PAID for the work others did? When she gets tired of YAGOOs bullshit and leaves, she will take all that music with her. Won't she? Just like Watame OWNS her music because she wants to a pop star after she leaves Hololive.

>>12361139
Calli already having connections to people like THHK and てにをは who can mix and write tracks for her of course mean that Cover doesn't have to find new ones for her. I wouldn't be surprised if Hamhat does her mixing on priority or asks for less payment than he would for other people. So that's not a fair comparison to anyone without connections to any music scene.

>>12361346
And?

People seething at males despite female chuubas being consistently more well advantaged in every single aspect will never not be funny to me lmao. This is even less believable than the rratposts about Niji males being supported at the expense of Niji females come on.

>>12361346
NTA but mixing and writing are two different things.

>>12361324
Anything they produce under cover using their cover assigned identities is owned by cover. They cannot take it with them when they leave.

>>12360508
Your mistake is assuming being on Nijisanji is a debuff, Hayato a member of Nijisanji if i remember correctly even had a record at one point of most SCs in a stream with over a million or so Yen

>>12361397
Do you honestly think that Calli and Watame who know music business and pay a lot of money to make a lot of songs right now are that stupid? Nah man. I don't know what their contract is but they won't leave all those songs and all that money behind. We'll see.

>>12361324
I feel like you're moving goalposts. The initial argument was about investment into her, not legal ownership (I doubt she owns the IP of her model, much less the instrumentals, because then she could just use that for her own music and perform as Mori without Cover's sanctioning - as I said, moved goalposts). Pretty sure she's even required to make her music about Cover-sanctioned topics so it's not like Cover just throws moneys and connections on her; She already explained on the anniversary stream that making music as a corpo is a restriction in what she can make, especially what she can make her music about.

>>12361526
What fucking goalposts? Are we playing a game with some rules here? You're pretty sure, I'm pretty sure. There are no goalposts. We are off topic anyway so what the hell does it matter.

>>12361516
Exactly, you don't know. Consider an analogy then: Which part of her music does Kiryu Coco own? Is this different because Coco is/was not a musician? If yes, why?
I also think you are projecting an incorrect attitude onto Mori and Watame. Their vtubing correct are projects which will eventually end. That does not make them business gigs they only pour their heart in because their contract says so. Again, you don't know if they would even want to leave that behind. Again, consider what Coco is doing with her past connections, personality and stream formats.

>>12361373

>>12361388
It is, but I responded to a post about production, not lyric writing.

>>12360404
Why watch the STARS when you can watch Niji?

>>12361753
Nijimales and holostars have a very different dynamic. Ur not gonna see a nijimale build his own game in a week and stream himself playing it.

>>12361657
Ah, Kiryu Coco, the famed musician and talented singer with one(?) fanmade original song. Jesus christ man lol

>>12361806
So because Cocos main activity is not singing you think she doesn't have the right to own the music that was produced for her. You're just a male hater, got it.

>>12361753
>watch the STARS
No one does that

>>12361952
I'm an anon not a no one

>>12361635
You moved from "Myth deserves resources .ore because of opportunity costs (higher profit if Myth got them instead), that's the OP" to "Myth deserves resources more because one person in Myth already has resources". We were talking about what would be better for the company and now you are talking about what people could hypothetically do if they wanted to do something else. It's irrelevant.
>>12361806
How exactly does Calli earn legal ownership over other people's work by having other people work for her more often?

>>12361780
That has nothing to do with dynamics, one of them just happens to be a game developer

>>12361242
The EP was Your Mori, Red was the lead single. Sure, it had a lot of investment, but that's because Mori had proven herself to have a huge audience willing to spend a lot of money. Of course an artist with a track record of success will be prioritised by a company, her album will produce more reliable returns. Holostars don't get those connections because Holostars don't have music videos with 10 million views in a year, and I don't even need to look at the numbers for their superchat disparity.

Schizo hours, beware anons

>>12362544
Exactly.

>>12362573

That's always this whole board

>>12361753
I'm mostly a Nijimalefag but I watch Stars when I feel like it because boys are cute regardless of agencies and Miyabi is one of the earliest male vtuber that I followed and still am. So why not, because it makes holobronies seethe? Kek

>>12361806
>Is this different because Coco is/was not a musician? If yes, why?

Stars doesn't get much in the way of resources.
The only reason they got a 3D debut is because they're actually in Japan.
Myths official 3D debut is on a perpetual delay due to travel restrictions.
Irys's 3D debut is on delay until Myth have had theirs. Which is bugging Cover because they wanted to have her doing 3D concerts by now.

There was going to be StarsEN. But Omegatranny shot that down because it doesn't want to deal with actual males.

>>12362686
I'm sure that's a rrat, but I will never insult Omega again if he actually blocked EN males.

>>12362686
>Which is bugging Cover because they wanted to have her doing 3D concerts by now.
>Ωα has sovereignty over the entire EN branch development.
Sounds like speculation to me.

>>12362809
Theres a general sentiment in the EN branch that starsEN won't work at all and just cause them headaches. Omegatranny is just the most vocal one.
The head office has forced them to reach out to English talent but the terms being offered were retarded and nobody would bite.

>>12360404
Cover picked them and Cover manages them. Blame Cover.

>>12360404
You wanna know why? It's because holo girls hardly ever collab with them. This makes them appear undesirable to women. If YAGOO was smart he would hire a dedicated harem of 4-5 holo girls and put them in holostars so the guys can constantly collab with them (and only them, and maybe holo girls who go out of their way to discourage GFE like suisei and ina). They don't even have to be talented and holostars would rocket up in popularity.

>>12363225
Problem is that all female vtubers play off GFE.
Even the ones who try to discourage it.
It is central to the business model and why they're successful at all.

>>12363225
What are you even talking about! The rest maybe, but everyone knows Roberu can get anyone he wants. He's out there fucking everyone's oshis.

>>12361635
Yes, debates and arguments do require you to respect the other person if you want to continue making your points. How is this so hard to understand?

>>12363331

>>12360404
Please just stfu faggot

>>12363225
>he would hire a dedicated harem of 4-5 holo girls
So, holoID? Who got pumped and dumped by holostars?

>>12360404
>They steal the money that was supposed give HoloMyth new costumes weeks ago but will propably happen sometime next year if ever
Based homos

>>12360404
You do know that the reason Myth can't do 3D is because they aren't in japan right(besides kiara and calli)?

>>12361079
>It also took over a year for stars members to get even ONE outfit
White Day costume, March 2020
Summer costume, gen1+2 August 2020, gen3 August 2021
New Year, January 2021
????
>any of the other points lol
Cover should gives EN and ID more costumes on faster rate if they can't give them 3D.
And yeah, holostars get more support, even when ID made more money back then.

>>12363913
Kiara hasn't been in Japan for a long time.

>>12363986
Problem with more costumes is they're a lot of work for something thats gonna be hit or miss.
And theres still a lot of discussion about whether or not these extra costumes dilute or otherwise harm the character branding/image.
Gura for instance has mainly stuck to her original outfit not just because the cat one is mediocre but also because lets face it the original one is simple, distinctive and perhaps even iconic. There's no brand or image confusion. She shark girl.
Meanwhile Calli now strongly prefers her new outfit and has to be reminded to use the original. She's leaning a lot more into her own identity as a singer rather than the character that Cover owns. So there's concern that by doing so and giving her an outfit that deviates so dramatically from the established character that it is damaging the Calliope brand/image that Cover laid out and wants to use to sell endorsements/product placements.

>>12360404
>30 year old something men pretending to be idols
>Except izuru
Yeah no thanks, it's a turn off
It's kinda weird simping them, when I know they're old geezer doing UWU acts like they're mentally young or a predator pretending as fellow kids to attract tweens. Even a bro streamer sometimes feel like a young dad.

>>12364335
*Middle 20 bro streamer

>>12363745
They are still collabing and about to have a Mario party collab, just admit you don't watch ID Stars

>>12362686
I can believe this rrat because I specifically remember them mentioning something about looking for male talents as well before they had actually hired anyone, probably hadn't even hired management at the time. But then EN came with a bunch of autistic tics, like they weren't to be mentioned as gens, they would NOT have the senpai/kohai dynamic (the girls completely ignore that anyways), and they were completely isolated in a protective bubble. As time passed on we got to see how autistic the guy in charge of EN really was with his fucking shitty lore being forced onto the gen 2 girls and him self inserting and hyping himself up as the ultimate supremeronie god over everything. Wouldn't put it past a faggot like that to feel threatened by other males getting too close to his ultimate waifu project. Almost immediately after EN debuted I remember shinove having to come out and say that there would be no holostars EN and to never ever get your hopes up for that. Hoping Nijimales force the omegatrannies hand so we can get faggots like this >>12362804 seething and throwing hissy fits

Cover never should have branched out into a male branch, Hololive was originally a female group and trying to incorporate a male branch was a mistake. They have proven that they simply will never grow: only recently are they getting 100k subs, they barely reach 1k viewers on stream, their merch sells like shit, doesn't seem like Cover gains anything from keeping them around.