/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>12261716
You really think so? I used to enjoy Ai-chan and Nobuhime's content but I find streams much more of a relaxing way to spend my time than watching a ten minute video every two days or so. The saturation of the market also means there's always someone to watch now instead of being limited to the big names with all of the support behind them.

>>12261716
you are an EOP who misses translated clips

>>12261716
Really?
I gave up on them back in the day because they were too loud with too much editing.
Stuff's way comfier now, even from the old guard.

>>12262349
What’s wrong with that?

>>12261945
Streaming turned it into something special instead of a gimmick, Kizuna&co videos can just be produced in a studio without an "actor" behind it, it's not a huge difference from anime both are (mostly) scripted.

Personally found the content to get a bit formulaic. Not to say that streaming isn't.

>>12261716
Newfag here, I got into vtubers with HoloEN's debut but my first experience was Kizuna Ai almost 2 years prior that. I just said to myself: “Boring, I could be watching anime instead of this scripted caricature”

honestly nu-vtubers like hololive, nijisanji, most new indies etc. don't deserve to be called vtubers, they're just streamers with anime avatars, they're nothing like the original idea of a virtual character

>>12261945
Fair point. Personally I like the edited video format better since it made moments feel more episodic and usually good streamers know when to edit the good parts of their content.
>>12262349
>Translated clips
Except there weren't any clips back then you fucking newfag
>>12262481
>>12262817
>>12262931
That's fair. Streaming does bring natural entertainment up 1000%, but at the same time it's a double edged sword since at the same time you're spending hours waiting for something entertaining to happen.
>>12263250
This is another good point. What I loved about old gen vtubers is they were playing a role and it felt more natural than a anime avatar being slapped onto a regular streamer.

>>12261716
Yes, I prefer standalone edited videos.
At least we still have Omegasis
Akari is based but I really miss Yua

Yuabros... it's almost been a year

>>12263766
YUA!...

Yes

>>12263250
Yeah, that's why we call them VLivers. I think calling all virtual entertainers "VTubers" is just a historical mistake due to laziness, but it's far too late to change the lexicon.

>>12261716
>back when it wasn't stream-based.
Nothing is stopping anybody from going back to skits

>>12262500
You are a disgusting Anglo ape. Nothing wrong with that though, I’m just saying that your house reeks of unwashed ass and rootless pop culture.

>>12261716
I'm still getting weekly skits of my oshi (Rof-Mao) so not sure what you're talking about

>>12261716
AI
AI
AI
Best Vtuber In The World

>>12261716
I used to watch Luna, Omesis and HimeHina.
Now, I still watch Omesis and HimeHina, but in addition to them I also watch Ponpoko and MonsterZ Mate.
It balances things out a bit.

>>12261716
I miss when consuming the vtube would take 20 minutes per day, rather than an endless stream of Niji or holo content demanding my attention for hours on end.

>>12261716
To be honest I always found AI chan boring, and not because her personality but the "Youtuber" way to make videos was too unappealing during that time

>>12267542
you don't need to watch them anon.. you can still stick to clips or timestamps

>>12263981
>VLivers
That's Nijisanji's official term but this board shits on it

>>12261716
Sort of. I like the way it is now, but I do miss those short videos.

Yua.... live please

>>12261716
Live interaction no only with chat, but specially between other chuubas feels more organic and "real".
Watching their struggles and errors live in karaoke. gameplay or simply speaking is more relatable than a edited video by a production team.

>>12267978
次世代!!!

>>12267978
Her right arm looks a bit short. Is that why she failed?

Some skits were fun but others struck me as trying to grab your money for some reason, despite the lack of SCs.

>>12261716
>unfunny skit videos with the like, obligatory up-down hand movement
nah not at all

Unironically, why wasn't she even given a graduation or anything.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>12261716
I enjoyed it to a point, especially Luna and Shiro (pre updated model) but after a while it got quite tedious and annoying. Kizuna Ai got replacements, Luna just disappeared, Shiro seems like she also lost a bit of the appeal with me since she became more of a bog-standard idol.
That being said, as soon as like last year or so I was excited to watch Pinky Pop Hepburn. When they're translated, the sketch format is fantastic, especially with good personalities.

At the end of the day though, I think the streamer format is more sustainable long term since more people can participate and it's a more widely accessible phenomenon and there's more personalities to check out.

>>12261716
You can still watch Kizuna in both of her channels if you preffer that format.

Official channels like the jp Nijisanji and Hololive also use non stream videos.

>>12261716
Hololive and especially Nijisanji still produce tons of non stream format shows on the main company channels, and there's also stuff like Legend of Polka for individual talents

>>12261716
Too bad now they're reduced to shameless leeching
https://twitter.com/aichan_nel/status/1454568798921519109?s=20

>>12266623
Anon, please stop projecting, it's not healthy

>>12261716
The only one who got recommended to me was Kizuna ai and only seen clips like 3-5 times in a month, still not that impactful enough like the current vtubing to make me watch 3-5 times a week.

>>12268554
>Unironically, why wasn't she even given a graduation or anything.
Many such cases

While I do like some of the old content, streams have always been and will always be the primary driving force at what keeps people coming back to VTubers or content creators in general. There needs to be balance you can't ahve 100% 10min etc. videos it gets dull and you don't really feel as connected. Literally every 4 king and AI chan herself at some point in their careers have done live streams.
Obviously you should do lives semi frequently but they don't have to be 100% of your content and nice balance is really good for when you need a break/vacation etc.
Plus YT algo loves premieres I don't know why some streamers that are lazy or unhealthy don't just do the quick little 1 min of moving their avatar around and pay someone to edit it and slap it up on YT, low effort with potential high gains.

>>12274475
Feels really bad since she was sort of dabbling into streaming more.
Yua was really cursed by the algorithm, literal frozen youtube presence.

>>12267582
This honestly. She's unironically entertaining in her gaming streams, but the her skits were hit and miss with more misses than hits.
>>12269863
To be fair, AI has always done shameless stuff from time to time for years.

I remember how Kaguya Luna became the first VTuber shitposter.
And I was there for the Kizuna FAK U.
I've seen it all, things you wouldn't believe.
All those moments, now lost. Like tears in the rain.

Any of my fellow oldfags unironically miss this era of gaming?
Playstations, Nintendos, etc are fun to play, but gaming was a lot more comfier when it wasn't screen-based.

>>12279049
I keep forgetting Luna was pretty much the JP Gura of 2017.

>>12279281
Not even close to the same, sorry ananlogyfag, maybe stick to food analogies.

>>12261716
The "era" still exists on /jp/, not this EOP board.

>>12267582
Her skits were entertaining but lost their appeal when they became too formulaic but she did introduce me to Luna. I still believe Luna could have overtaken Ai-chan if not for Sony management bullshit.

>>12279049
anon those moments are still on youtube...

>>12279049
Decades from now, when VTubers have evolved into whatever the fuck it will be in the future, we'll be the ones who can tell the stories of how it all began and all the shit that went down in the early days.

>>12279884
if you insist

>>12280370
Thank you for understanding, this is a lot like pizza.

>>12261716
Like a quarter of all of Kizuna's videos were shill videos. She was an unabashed corporate whore.

I'm glad her heyday is gone.

>>12281067
The other ones were not nearly that bad though

>>12269863
>AI imitating Smol Ame
Kek

>>12261716
This applies now more than ever.

>>12281517
She was a prophet, and thus needed to be "contained".

I miss Akari's thong straps. Now she's just a corpo sellout with a generic idol outfit.

>>12282082
It was a good outfit but I like her new one too, plus have you seen her swimsuit videos? Hardly that much of a sellout.

>>12261716
Yes, it was the golden age of vtubing. Everyone was trying new things out, tech was constantly advancing and experimented on, videos were creative and could be watched at any time. Streaming videogames is the laziest of content

>>12282271
>>12281517

>>12282417
yeah, once you've seen a videogame streamer you've seen them all

>>12282082
She was always planned to be a corpo vtuber used for marketing things, but her injury screwed over that dream. Although I do agree her old outfit fit her personality better. Still it's not as bad as Siro's current outfit.

>>12282521
It's more like being a variety-type content creator is dead. People prefer youtubers/vtubers finishing a game before starting another one, not doing a "Part 1" of a game that 100s of vtubers already played for easy views.

>>12261716
Edited videos are more likely to be really funny, so yes.

>>12261716
Fuck yes. Videos were concise and meaningful. Nowadays streams are too much of a slog to watch, if you don't watch them then you're not in the know about your chuba, clips are uniornically holding the entire market up because edited short form content is still the meta, the market is highly oversaturated, they all play the same games to try and get recognized by the algorithm, the unique games they play are shit, and all their content is so same that after a year of watching occasionally I'm completely fucking burnt out entertainment wise.

This shit's already in the process of crashing hard. People just haven't realized we've already walked off the cliff. God bless our coming return to the norm of high budget, high effort, pre-acripted content that's not only entertaining but also values your time. The future is bright, even if the present is looking pretty grim.

>>12280016
Aifags and 2D haters were EOPs lol. They rapidly disappeared when Hololive got popular and it was so obvious that they switched sides to shitpost

>>12290863
They disappeared when nijifags kept harassing them thread after thread.

I don't miss any of these fuckers. I miss the VR Chat generation of vtubers (actually, that's partially incorrect with one of them there), I miss pre-vtubing vtubers that fucked around with capture and did silly things.

>>12261716
No. There was literally no worthwhile content back then. I fucking hated that sort of video format. If it ever went back I'd dip and watch interesting Japanese streamers instead.

>>12291597
Bandwagoner.

>>12261716
People who got into vtuber post mid 2018 should kill themselves.

>>12291847
Bandwagoner? As far as I can tell I never switched what I watched, just the label got changed to being "Vtubers". I'm here for 実況 & the 歌い手s, not because there's an anime avatar. I'll stick wherever that is. Vtubers attracted a lot of those scenes so I went with Vtubers, not because it got popular. I had watched the video content and fucking hated it, when the content switched I came with it. Care more about actual content than the name of the scene.

>>12291131
t. 2020 holofag who had no idea what threads were like. They kept posting number stats everyday exactly like you because they were EOPs who couldn't understand anything else

>>12292191
>I had watched the video content and fucking hated it, when the content switched I came with it.
So you are a bandwagoner.

>>12261716
Sort of, but the only one I watched back during those days was Minai Karte and I miss her.

>>12261716
I miss old Akari when she was with Eilene. Still love her VRchat shit. Miss Gamebu. Especially miss old-Cocoa's songs. And shitting on Yua. I do like the current era more. Hololive's fun. Love Suisei and I even started getting into the ENs after the portals in MC.

>>12292796
You had no idea what the thread was like. Ai's popular in the thread was declining ever since christmas miracle. They were shitting on Sirofags in the past, but after Luna's populary surge, the table was turned on them. After nijisanji entered the market with their JKgumi, there were only handful of them left in thread. Every time an Ai video was posted, dozen of fags would start shitting on it. Baiting ai-fags into fighting them. And Ai-tards would fall for it almost every time. Anons were constantly comparing Ai's sub number with Luna's sub number, hoping Luna would dethrone her one day. Later, they would wave Mito's live view numbers at them whenever they post. The thread was dominated by mostly fans of nijisanji, other smaller groups and indies. FYI I started watching vtuber since late 2017. I saw how the thread went to shit as more and more people started showing up.

>>12294823
>I saw how the thread went to shit as more and more people started showing up
I mean, this applies to literally every thread and this site as a whole so it goes without saying.

>>12282560
You do know akari want always company property, right newfag?