/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

fucked up if true

>>11650340
Kronii

>>11650340
Just enjoy

>>11650340
thankyou for the feedback lol

>>11650340
imagine spending 100$ to complain that a minecraft stream wasn't long enough.

>>11650488
Where do y'all find the income to throw away fucking $100 on a complaint that's likely kit going to be read of acknowledged? Please, help a poorfag out.

>>11650340
based chuuba patroller

>>11650561
How about not having a shitty Mcjob?

>>11650340
Assuming this isn't bait and you're being serious - Can you just shut the fuck up forever and go outside for once?

I really hope that akasupa wasn't from you for your sake. That is so fucking sad and pathetic. I'd be uppity to if I had to deal with entitled autistic simps in my DMs all day and night.

true

>you could donate $100 to an indie you really like and quite likely make her week if not month
>yet you choose to donate it to a millionaire vtuber you're angry at instead of watching something else
i will never understand the holobrony mindset

>>11650732
>gives money to both knowing that it would cause some schizo on /vt/ to seethe

>>11650693
No buy I’m a member and deserve better them what she’s putting out.

>>11650561
Get a real job

>>11650693
>most prestigious and sought out position in the vtuber sphere
>also naturally the one with the most fans and with that comes entitled fans (which are the ones paying you)
You should have expected this

>>11650340
Must be tough having such a bad, inferior oshi, but mine proves time and time again that she’s the best and actually cares about her fans and how far she’s come with hololive

>>11650340
Because streaming and playing alone are wholly different experiences, how do people still not understand this?

>>11650340
what the fuck

>>11650732
>gives money to myself

>>11650340
>NOOOOOOO STOP DOING WHAT YOU WANT AND DO AS I SAY!!!
People like you are reason people view vtuber fans as trash, do us all a favor and neck yourself.

>>11650561
l think that superchat refunds are possible according to Botan, if I remember correctly.

>>11651143
>Because streaming and playing alone are wholly different experiences, how do people still not understand this?
Go ahead and explain it for us, streamer anon.

>>11650927
You deserve my foot in your ass so you better get your membership ready.

>>11650340
She needs to start tardwrangling these >people

>>11650340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AccVPjYm2Y0
lol

>>11651352
They're essentially impossible. Youtube's support system for refunding it is fucked. I was confused if my superchat was displayed or not so looked into refunds once, luckily if youtube fucks up it autorefunds without even need for submitting a complaint and so I was saved, but if you superchat legitimately and try to go through youtube's support for a refund there's no way in hell you are getting your money back.

>>11650340
he is right though...
that is one of the few exciting things in minecraft that they just do offstream, leaving everything boring as fuck.

>>11651508
You don't have a thousand people watching you expecting you to do a perfect job

>>11650488
Someone post the $200 one

>>11651561
>spend $100 to get humiliated by an anime girl
based

>>11651561
actually a decent response from kronii

>>11651561
Lying bitch.
There are plenty of clips of banting with other Holo members, including Japanese ones.

>>11651865
>>11651933
> Yes Kronii shit in my mouth and I’ll gladly gobble it up.

>>11651989
this salt is unrefined

>>11650340
Why are ENcels like this?

>>11651989
Unironically this.

>>11651527
That faggot is right though, members are paying her for content and the only thing she delivers are three fucking streams, 1 stream which is a full EN collab, so it ends up being 2 streams this week. The people that pay her are entitled to complain

>>11651695
Not just expecting a perfect job, but their own individual idea of what they want with you, many of these ideas conflicting and some outright stupid, but they feel the need to complain excessively anyway to bitch at you without trying to put any common decency into their phrasing as if you're not a human being with emotions, instead feeling entitled to view you as their personal funny box meant to entertain them and only them specifically, that some members of the audience feels free to treat with as little respect as public transportation gets treated with in the US, instead of just being sane and walking away and watching someone else or doing anything better with their time.

>>11652094
$5 a month isn't very much

>>11652094
Then don't pay her. If her income drops, she'll see that and make a change.

Paying her to complain is counter-intuitive, and honestly the most retarded shit I can think of.
How does this dumbass feel knowing that his complaint was, not only not read, but probably going to go straight toward Starbucks for the days she's taking off?

The logic in that supa is astounding.

>>11652346
She did read it and she straight up responded to it, also most holos do read red superchats, the only one who doesn't read them is ina and she still gets walls of texts. So the logic in sending it is that she's definitely going to read it and everyone else in chat will too, and just assume that people that send akas are loaded and don't care about a mere $100 to send a message

>>11652094
>the only thing she delivers are three fucking streams,
That's three more than you'd get from some other holos when they're sick.

>>11652721
Those other holos are most likely actually sick or at least they pretend better, you seriously telling she's sick but her schedule is
>break
>stream
>break
>stream
>break
>stream
A sick person takes days off straight, not one day off and another day of work

>>11650340
>burns a hundo on shit like that
I sobt think there's a worse simp fanbase than vtubers holy crap

>>11650340
That's not real ... is it? That's so embarrassing.

>>11650732
Spotted the seething 2view

YOU CANT PLAY GAMES OFFSTREAM!!!! IF YOU PLAY A GAME, YOU HAVE TO STREAM!!!! ALSO EVERY TIME YOU TALK, YOU HAVE TO LET US LISTEN!!! EVERY MOMENT OF YOUR LIFE

>>11653038
This but unironically
It's literally her job

>>11653038
this but unironically
i want to listen to my oshi sleeping and eating

>>11653133
And shitting and fucking

>>11653214
please anon i can only get so hard

>have depression like Kronii
>stream everyday
>Ame did the same
so let me guess, it's the weed

>>11653119
her job is to fulfill her contractual obligations. and those say she has to stream at least 3 times a week. looks like she’s doing a good job. maybe next time get an oshi who has the mental energy to stream 6 hours everyday

>>11653238
No, with Ame it's the meth.

>>11653238
believe it or not, people react differently to things

>>11652981
yes it is

>people in this thread mocking the guy for just $100
Sounds like a lot of poorfags that can't handle others being able to send a message. It's not about the money kiddos.

>>11651695
>You don't have a thousand people watching you
Is this a problem? are you pretending that this is a problem for her? a person who decided to became a streamer and not only that but also auditioned to be part of the top vtuber company, somehow has an impediment that makes her stream to thousands of people a fucking burden on her body and soul? come the fuck on.
>expecting you to do a perfect job
I swear if this bitch releases a covid vaccine as merch you would fucking inject that shit into your veins day 1, dumbfuck. I don't know for how long have you been watching vtubers or streamers in general but to have that excuse pre-planted in your head, when is so easily debunked by using your brain and asking yourself "what the fuck does a good or perfect stream even mean?" no tech problems? no low energy? no bad or boring game? low views? answer is doesn't mean shit, because in this case Kronii had all of it in multiple streams and his fans didn't care because they like her, they just wanna see the fucking bitch stream, and yet you decide to think that this alcoholic jaded nihilist bitch cares so much about the immeasurable subjective quality of her streams, fuck off.

>>11653585
no, it's acting like an entitled dipshit when these girls only have to stream 3 days a week, fuck off

>>11650340
Welp, you tried. You've said your piece and got a response. Move on, you're completely outnumbered by YES men. Kronii isn't gonna change anything.

>>11653635
found the person who made the superchat kek

>>11653675
Try reading the comments on her latest schedule post in the community tab. You'll see a shitshow in there.

>>11651695
>You don't have a thousand people watching you expecting you to do a perfect job
you don't know how many yesmen would be fine with lazy streams, see current Ame and Old Mori

>>11651352
Nah you can't refund SCs at all. Botan was prob just confused.
I assume you can refund it on the receiver end though.

>>11652346
>If her income drops, she'll see that and make a change.
And how will she know what she's supposed to change if nobody tells her? How come when you pay for a shitty game on Steam, no one cares if you leave a negative review, but when you do the same for a streamer, white knights start doing 100-flip mental gymnastics as to why you shouldn't have the right to complain about your purchase?

>>11653720
And she wont care. Only hope for change is omegafaggot scolding her.

>>11653651
Anon do you think streaming whatever for one hour a day is hard? And wouldn't you do it if you got paid $500 minimum per stream? You act like anyone is asking her to break her back for 8 hours straight but in reality it's just streaming a fucking block game for 1-2 hours and she gets rich while doing so

>>11653893
found the SC nigger

>>11653894
She will care, she's the weakest person mentally in holoEN, those comments will unironically destroy but I still doubt she'll get better next week

>>11653947
>She will care, she's the weakest person mentally in holoEN
she's not Mori, fuck off and stop thinking your "criticism" will do anything you fucking ENcel

>>11653918
I'm a graynamechad and kronii WILL listen to me, she already hearts our comments over members, it's only a matter of time

>>11653947
I do agree, it's also chat's fault afterall why her interest in Minecraft is dying.
>>11653894
Omega is useless desu

>>11653992
Mori isn't the weakest nor the strongest, she gets by well, meanwhile kronii literally had a breakdown and had to ask for criticism on what to change week 2, she's definitely not well mentally and it shows on her streams

>>11653038
Theres a reason why shes doing a Truman show watchalong.

>>11653881
You didn't purchase shit. You're viewing something for free. Getting upset over that you can't see every moment of her playing Minecraft on stream is retarded, and spending $100 to complain so about it is even more retarded. Nobody fucking acted this retarded in Minecraft themed lets play groups targeted at 12 year olds, and yet the people here are somehow both more entitled and less socially capable.

>>11653720
>3 breaks
Was it really necessary to add those? It fulfills the same thing by not adding them in the schedule.

>>11653947
It's just a job for her. She won't care.

She's basically streaming as much as those Vtubers on twitter, it makes me feel surprised my 1view dude streams everyday cause he says "I play games when I'm doing nothing anyways"

>>11653585
No, no, it's more so the fact that the $100 could've been spent on several much better things, and this man chose to waste it on bitching to a chuuba. Clearly, he doesn't understand the value of a dollar. He's probably had it easy his whole life, which is why he thinks spending $100 to get his opinion noticed by someone (and it's not even a 100% chance it'll get noticed) is a reasonable spend.

I don't know what level of disposable income that takes.

>>11654095
Sending money to a woman pretending to be an anime character doing whatever is retarded, guess how the vtuber scene survived? What, you think normal people are the ones that are paying the bills of kronii? There's no meaning to your arguments, you could call it retarded no matter what message he sent, but he's the one paying kronii and he has the right to write whatever he wants

>best voice
>top tier model
>most prone to mental breakdowns
:(

>all of council doesn't stream a lot
>The best girl is apparently the one with the annoying voice and the girl that claims to be an ASMR chuuba but sounds like a beginner at best
EN2 was a mistake

>>11654198
So it's just poorfag cope? It's ok if you don't get it, he simply got more joy from complaining to kronii and getting read amd making her seethe than whatever else those $100 could have gotten him

>>11651352
>>11653777
Botan was specifically referring to HER refunding the person in question, not the user asking for a refund on their SC.

>>11651865
maybe it's his fetish

>>11654095
>You didn't purchase shit.
Objectively wrong.
>You're viewing something for free
You're not free if you work for tips.
>Getting upset over that you can't see every moment of her playing Minecraft on stream is retarded
Not if it's all the interesting shit that happens offstream and all the boring shit is onstream.
>Nobody fucking acted this retarded in Minecraft themed lets play groups targeted at 12 year olds
You don't actually believe this, right? I was an Achievement Hunter fan back in high school, and Minecraft was the biggest source of complaints when it came to those guys.

>>11654239
"Right to"? What a terrible justification. Everyone else also has a right to shame his behavior. If at the end of the day your only justification for your behavior is that there was no violation of a law or contract, your life is pathetic and your point worthless.

>>11654270
Have you seen Bae's schedule?
Sana and Fauna aren't also bad either but misfortune hit them alst week.
Only Mumei and Kronii have shit scheudles (sucks since clock's first 2 weeks are amazing)

>>11654302
> It's ok if you don't get it, he simply got more joy from complaining to kronii and getting read amd making her seethe than whatever else those $100 could have gotten him
Re-read that sentence and tell me that doesn't sound like a worthless existence. He got happiness from sending $100 to bitch at a girl playing a virtual character and make her mad. He got happiness... from giving a girl $100... so he could bitch at her.

You tried to spin it as "poorfag cope", but you only ended up proving there's something with this person.

>>11654391
>Bae
Sorry, I don't give my attention to girls that publicly suck Homostar dick, especially a SEA Aussie

>>11650340
I fucking hate this shit so much. "Hey so I'm gonna play minecraft today, I'll chat for 1.5 hours, then play for 45 min and then read superchats for 2 hours. Then, on the next stream, I'll just casually walk past two huge builds that I made off-stream because I"M A MASSIVE FUCKING BITCH AND HATE YOU ALL"

Why are they like this?

>>11654370
It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks, his message was addressed to kronii and she read it, and even though she tried to respond professionally her behaviour the next week implies that she was absolutely seething due to that comment, and also because she knows that there are hundreds of comments like it that she doesn't read, the man gave out his message and it was heard, whether you think it's pathetic or not doesn't matter, he succeeded at what he wanted

>>11654489
why are you like this

>>11654422
It's not any different than getting happiness from sending $100 to a virtual girl just because you could

>>11654370
>If at the end of the day your only justification for your behavior is that there was no violation of a law or contract
His justification is that her Minecraft streams suck and he wants her to know that.
>"Right to"? What a terrible justification. Everyone else also has a right to shame his behavior.
Bullshit. If you're acting like he's in the "wrong" for sending the supa, then you're saying he shouldn't have the "right" to it. That's literally what "rights" are named for; the fact that you are always in the right, and not the wrong, for expressing them.

>>11650340
Autistic but true. All we get to hear is "oh my god let me tell you about all of the amazing and hilarious moments I had playing MC off stream". What's even the point of playing the game if that's how every stream is gonna be?
This video PERFECTLY captures this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjv1fenaFAA

>>11654354
Are street musicians "not free" now? You gonna throw $100 at them and say "wish you didn't play your instrument at home, should stay on the street entertaining me more"? Also, yeah. Nobody acted as retarded as to spend $100 to complain they weren't playing too much off camera. There was retarded complaints about other shit but this is the first time I'm hearing such a fuss about people playing on a Minecraft server off stream, that's literally the expectation. Maybe it's just because live donation complaints weren't really a thing back then. If anyone watches whatever current minecraft group there is, feel free to testify if like kids who watch hermitcraft drop hundos to complain about members playing on server off stream too much.

>>11651073
t. Mumei fag

>>11651561
just start the stream and turn off mic, you'll definitely make more money this way than if you don't stream it at all

I think what we learned this thread is simply the following: The clock and her viewers deserve one another.
When you go for the Redditmommy audience you'll get people that get intensely irate when you aren't that for them for even a second, and this is far worse than a second.
What gets me though is that this is Minecraft we're talking about.

The game that - when streamed - *lives* off exploring & modifying already existing structures.
The content you're getting is genuinely better when there are surprises.
Why are you bitching about this? The whole reason Holocraft has such an audience is the age and high density of landmarks that got built up over time.

>>11650340
Women on the internet have had it too good for too long

>>11650340
>kronii called this guy salty

Based

>>11654592
>There was retarded complaints about other shit but this is the first time I'm hearing such a fuss about people playing on a Minecraft server off stream
So you're just a newfag? I can count the times on my fingers when a holo built something big off stream and it's mostly to surprise other members, kronii does it because she's autistic and actively wants to hide it from everyone including other members. You have holos streaming themselves for hours just collecting resources, it's unthinkable for them to build something off-stream and this is why most people complain about kronii, no one else does this

>>11654525
No, no, it's significantly different.
You said he sent her $100 to make her seethe and derive happiness from it. He sent her $100 to make her seethe. That's counter-intuitive, and that's what's irritating.

I don't care that people spend $200 on their oshi. If I had $200, I'd be blowing it on Kiki right now because I think she's cute and I support her.

What's irritating is him spending money and accomplishing the exact opposite goal he set out to. Let say he didn't want to make her seethe. He wanted to bring to light the fact she doesn't stream when she's offline binging MC. Where this fails is the simple fact she won't NEED to stream if he gives her the income to justify not doing so.

It's this complete failure to think and realize he's wasting his money that leads me to believe he's either really stupid with it, in which case I think he needs to be thrown into poverty, or he has so much income, it hasn't even crossed his mind that $100 to be a minor inconvenience is not worth it, in which case I think he needs to be thrown into poverty.

You can spend money on whatever you want, but, for fuck's sake, think about what you're spending money on.

>>11650340
I don't watch SC reading streams because I'm not pathetic but do they actually read messages like this?

>>11654526
Read any philosophy book dipshit I'm not arguing with a retard who says rights are "the fact that you are always in the right, and not the wrong, for expressing them". You'd be mocked by even undergrads for such a dumbass statement.

Maybe she doesn't want to be entertaining schizos while she plays a game she likes.

>>11653038
>EVERY MOMENT OF YOUR LIFE
literally fucking this, stream fucking everything! I want to watch Kronii fillilng tax reports and doing dishes

>>11654592
>You gonna throw $100 at them and say "wish you didn't play your instrument at home, should stay on the street entertaining me more"?
More like, "Hey, if you're a street musician, how come you only ever actually play your guitar at home, and then when you're on the street, you play a recording of it on your iPhone instead?"
>Nobody acted as retarded as to spend $100 to complain they weren't playing too much off camera.
Probably because kids have no money?

>>11654680
Link.

>>11654705
Kronii is a retard and did but most of the time holos read the message before thinking about responding them

>be a girl
>Get access to God tier designs and a hoard of yesmen
Tbh don't become a chuuba as a male unless you can make it past auditions for American idol

>>11651561
>I hate streaming, I just want to play minecraft and get money
lazy whore

>>11651561
Minecraft is a unique sitution, since Kronii is spending all her time in the EN server building and exploring. And people watch vtuber Minecraft to see the process and interactions, and not just the end result.
So the fact she was spending so much time in the server off stream but sill interacting with other members while they're streaming, or she tells chat about these adventures she had off stream, it was really getting annoying.

If she did this with any other game, or made her own private server to do stuff, you wouldn't see the whole shitshow with Minecraft play out like it did.
On the positive side, she has greatly cut down on her off stream minecraft hours, and said that she's stream all the major projects now, so she is listening.

>>11650340
Don't screenshot your own superchats.

>>11654851
>and said that she's stream all the major projects now, so she is listening.
maybe i'm sperging a bit too hard now, but as i see it the damage is already done. she has had what, like 3-4 solo streams of MC? while having played well over 100h off stream

>>11650340
If I were in Hololive I'd just constantly be building things in MC off stream just to fuck with both the general audience and my genmates.

>>11654851
>she's stream all the major projects now, so she is listening
We'll have to wait and see how that'll last.

>>11654716
>Read any philosophy book dipshit
lol can't form your own opinions? I tried one philosophy class, through which I learned that Socrates was a faggot who killed himself because he couldn't stand people calling him an annoying shit all the time, and Plato was his femboi BF who wrote literal Socrates fan-fiction where he was a Gary Stu who spent the whole book getting jerked off by strawmen.

The only "philosophy" I got from that class is to never take life advice from skeletons.

>>11654976
>>11654949
Of course trust needs to be regained, since the comment section for her new schedule was just everyone dragging her over her playing minecraft. Ironically she hasn't played minecraft in days, so she is holding up her end so far.
If that keeps up, we'll see.
But then again, management might have gotten involved since it was screwing up her sleep schedule to the point she actually overslept for a collab and the resulting stream was so scuffed she privated it. So far, it's the only unarchived stream to be priavted by her as well.
I'm sure management wasn't happy over that.

>>11655133
wait, which collab was that?

>>11651561
What a crazy argument she's making, essentially saying that the stream is a distraction from what matters, which apparently is interaction with the JPs. Has she forgotten that this is a fucking streaming gig or something? Lol, what the hell?

>>11654983
>can't form your opinions
Telling you for example to read a physics book when you say some retarded shit about relativity isn't "not forming your own opinions", it's saving effort on the part of me needing to re-explain why you're obviously wrong when it's been done countless times before. You don't just magically have formed an opinion on "rights" just like no-one magically forms an opinion on "relativity", terms mean things and have actual history and implied arguments and dialouge behind it that isn't just the merriam webster dictionary. Your arguments are literal debate bro tier nonsense, and you've never read or dealt with something with actual rigor in your life - clearly any argument or philisophical concept more complicated than a page would be too much for you. But still, please read a fucking book. This is the last you get a (You) from me.

>>11654328
>>11653777
>>11651352
>>11650561
Wasn't there the case of the zhang anti-coco fag that sent $500 instead of $5 because he wanted her to read his shit and then had to beg her for a refund after?

>>11650340
>Our oshi‘s have been getting pretty uppity with us
Good "we" deserve it.

>>11651561
I wonder if the guy at Cover who fucked up and hired Kronii has been fired yet.

>>11655406
No, we don't. These girls get 100-200k subs before they've ever even streamed. Success is literally handed to them on a platter like they won a fucking lottery. Taking that for granted is frankly quite disgusting.

>>11654612
Only retards oshi anyone from council.

>>11653992
How much of a retard threadreader do you have to be to think Mori is the weakest mentally in EN. She’s one of the only ones that actually knows both how to take criticism and how to ignore shitstirrers. That’s why she hasn’t had any issues in several months. Meanwhile Kronii’s whole schtick is that she’s a depressed narcissist and is constantly on the cusp of breaking down.

>>11654756
>>11651561

>>11654726
I think it's time to wordfilter "schizo".
Please mods, if you read this...
It's become one of the most annoying, meaningless misused buzzwords here.

>>11655447
I'm not sure how I feel with the amount of work they've done so far. They seem content with what most of them are doing. I know it's just a job but still...

>>11655611
>Meanwhile Kronii’s whole schtick is that she’s a depressed narcissist and is constantly on the cusp of breaking down.
You forgot to mention that she's awfully boring as well. I had such high hopes after debut but it looks like it's all come to naught.

>>11655684
t. "medicine warrior"

>>11650561
A) Some shit like crypto or NFTs
B) Terrible financial management
No one who watches vtubers is mentally sane enough to have a half decent job

>>11654851
>>11654976
>>11655133
Kronii's Minecraft streams are fine as they are. Maybe if she never streamed MC at all and limited 100% of her involvement with the server to off-stream activity and popping up on other girls' streams, you'd have an argument for how frustrating that can be, but that was never the case. She has always streamed MC content she felt was worth streaming, and saved her off-stream time for whatever else she felt was too tedious to provide something entertaining and general stream downtime. Her feedback loop with superchats over this topic has been mostly constructive, but you lowest common denominator folk who are mindlessly trying to groom her into streaming MC every time she feels like playing it without regard for how it might dillute other types of streams and deteriorate her overall stream quality are the biggest cancer plaguing HoloEN fanbases right now.

>>11650561
>y'all

I wish kronii play minecraft with no chitchat at all,, just void. So you all seething here and complain will burn at the edge of your seat.

>>11655909
Anon, relax. Don't get all defensive and sensitive just because your oshi is being discussed outside /∞/. It's just someone's gripe and thought using Red Supa was the best chance to get her attention.

>>11650561
Learn to draw and take commissions from furfags.

>>11651561
wow kronii is based

>>11655909
I'd agree with you if I haven't seen the schedule.

>>11655447
>Success is literally handed to them on a platter
Is this the part where you pretend COVER fishes these girls out of the abyss and they have absolutely no background in this industry at all? They're not dolls to be played with for amusement. They're creative performers.

>be me
>have no oshi
>has never watched a vtuber's stream from start to finish
>catch fun moments through clips
It's not easy being this perfect.

>>11656479
dangerously based

>>11650561
according to a recent survey like half of vt are apparently engineers and stem. these retards are apparently not actually retarded irl

>>11656561
I doubt this is the half that sends autistic and possessive supachas

>>11656583
engineers and stem people are pretty damn autistic

>>11656467
>NEPOTISM
>Applying to a popular brand
>Reaping the benefits

Idk anon. They seem to have it pretty easy.

>>11656467
Ame had like 50 average viewers before debuting despite streaming for years. But okay, keep pretending like the Hololive name does nothing then.

>>11656611
Other industries call that a vetting process.
>>11656694
The entire point of being backed by a corporation is marketing. They're still entertainers. That guy might as well say that South Park had success handed to them on a platter by Comedy Central.

>>11656819
Yagoo would be equivalent to the guy that created South Park while Cover would be Comedy Central. Hololive is the brand and was already a brand before Ame came along, so just by being in Hololive she is guaranteed viewers that are better than when she was an indie. So it's not just marketing.

I don't want to hate on her, but how do people even watch her? her voice always sounds so sarcastic and uninterested about everything she talks, she sounds like mori after the debut but even worse and mori actually got better

>>11656819
They got in and reaping the benefits. What's your point?

>>11657026
Fanfics.

>>11657026
debut high
and coomer zoomer big boob lady audience

>>11657026
Do they really sound similar? There’s something about Mori’s voice that I can’t stand to listen to, but Kronii’s is fairly pleasant

>>11654254
>ugly pyramid bangs
>oversized bug eyes
>top tier model
top tier tits maybe

>>11651561
she was put on the spot and gave the wrong answer here. minecraft is a persistant game, theres always shit happening somewhere sometime. she should have just said theres plenty more minecraft to see

>>11657141
mori's voice is like condescending older sister whos cool and youre a nerd
kronii's voice is like subpar customer service

>>11657026
I don’t get it either. I couldn’t even make it through her whole debut because she just sounded so sarcastic and full of herself, I get that it’s probably her ‘bit’ or whatever the fuck but it’s extremely grating. They both have similarly deep voices but Mori has a laidback and often an energetic quality whereas Kronii is just dead monotone and it just pisses me off everytime I hear it

>>11650340
They play on their own because entertaining you retards is probably exhausting

>>11657377
So why did she join Hololive?

>>11657417
Money. You think they give a shit about streaming?

>>11655401
I think it was a school kid and she had to talk to management to cancel the superchat. Probably because their accounts are run by management.

>>11652158
Netflix offers a lot more for double that money. Not saying she should compete with Netflix, but y'know... 5$ from 10000 people is not something to ignore.

>>11650732
>indies

>>11653585
Correct. It's about a manbaby attention whore needing to feel like he matters for 5 seconds.

>>11657417
t. brainrot enthusiast

>>11650732
>implying it has to be one or the other

>>11655265
Nah, you're just salty like she said. There are many POVs you could choose from, it doesn't have to be Kronii's.

>>11652346
>>11652597

Lmfao. With Kronii's attitude she should be able to handle some harsh criticism. With as much praise these vtubers get they need the opposite end of the feedback spectrum to stay grounded.

Please don't be like idiots on YT that want to shield their oshis with positivity and praise

>>11657766
Again, think about what you're saying here for just one second instead of reacting instinctively like a fucking monkey. She's a salaried streamer for a company, and you're saying it doesn't matter if she's streaming or not because there are others to watch. Well we're not talking about the others now, we're talking about Kronii - and if she doesn't want to stream then why the fuck did she join Hololive? Nobody forced her to do so at fucking gunpoint, lol.

She said she was sick and not in the mood to stream what the fuckk whats wrong with you?? Can you please andastand what she had said? You Focking retarded that cant even accept the fock that this week schedule is not fairly good for her viewers. She clearly stated that on both social media platform tha fockkk shutthefock up cunt! Or you maybe want to stream that for her, YOU fucking abnormal.

>>11652094
Are her streams really so shit that streaming twice a week isn't enough? Weak.

>>11657926
Go to bed bae

>>11654726
Then she shouldn't be a streamer lmao. Streamers are literally entertainers. Idols more strictly so

>>11657803
They are allowed to stream as little as they want according to company standards, you're not their employer and no one forces you to watch any of the streamers.
If you don't like Cover's way of doing things just go do something else with your life.
Not a single person will ever know you were here

>>11650340
As much attention as that SC gets I think it actually could have been possible for him to phrase it in a positive way to try to nudge kroners to maybe consider it.

For example "it's clear you seem to play a lot of MC off stream, we really love your MC streams is there any way we could convince you to stream more of it" etc.

>>11657377
kronii pretty much doesn't have to do anything though and people will be entertained just by her sitting there.

I can see why she might be annoyed with people who just consider her a pure object, eye/ear candy. Thing is, if she wanted to get people to look beyond that she could talk more, be more personable, have funny stories etc, show some dimensionality to yourself.

Remember how when Gura started she was really heavy and cheesy fake in kayfabe for the first couple weeks (months even) most of the time and yet somehow she opened up and is now personable and not afraid of chat? Maybe kronii will go through that too. We don't need to give her doggy treats just for showing up to stream, but if she doesn't stream because she thinks she's dogshit at it I mean the most likely way for her to improve is just to do streaming reps until she adjusts to it fully. When she basically doesn't even stream there isn't even a way for her to improve, and that'll just make more people hoping she will open up more leave in favor of the objectifiers who want her to say the thing for $50.

>>11656583
anon... i know for a fact software shit is full of menhera kek

>>11650414

>>11658426
Okay Fauna.

Why do people care if she streams 3 times a week? Just go watch something else. There's 24+ hours of vtuber content being produced every single day.

this thread reminds me how autistic minecraft nerds are.

>>11660564
As yes, that reminds me, I've been meaning to edit this image for a little bit now.

>>11659827
Yep, you're a literal retard as I suspected. I hope you've never had a single issue with any company on the planet, because you're not the CEO of any of them after all. Such childish fucking RETARD logic, holy fuck.

>>11656561
>>11656583
>>11656600
Correlation does not imply causation. But between furry commissions, kickstarter whales, gatcha whales, and akasupas maybe those employed in STEM never had much discretion when it comes to spending. Reminds me of when Carmack bought his 5rd or 6th Lamborghini after he started getting Quake money.

I give Tell 'em Steve-Dave $10 a month for 1 extra hour of (usually) video content a week on top of their usual 1-2 hours of weekly audio content.
Vtuber fans are unbelievably spoiled.

>>11661697
I think it's a bit of a red herring comparing to other sub-formats/genres, what people are comparing is Holo vs Holo and specifically HoloEN vs HoloEN.

We never had an Ayame/Shion/Mel type and I had thought if we'd get one it might be years from now with one of the old ones burning out - this IS what happened with the three I listed, Ayame used to stream pretty regularly etc years back and is like halfway-retired from the gig at this point. Lots of Gens 0-2 are slowed down a lot (not everyone but quite a few). So, to see kronii having back to back very open weeks without a really clear indicator of why looks like she's resting on her laurels only a month in. Not 3 years. Not 2 years. Not one year, a month. That is disappointing no matter how you slice it.

>>11662235
I don't think it is. When I buy a membership, it's for members-only content. As long as I feel the members-only content is worth the money I pay for the membership, then I got what I paid for.
My membership fee does not entitle me to have a say over how much free content they put out.
I don't superchat. I don't pay for free content.
The only reasons any content creator needs to pump out content on a super regular basis is to manipulate the exposure algorithms and grow their audience or if they want to cultivate the type of audience that pays for an exorbitant income at the expense of being entitled little shits who want to throw cash around to be able to control someone's life.
It seems pretty clear that Kronii is plenty happy making a comfortable living and cultivating the type of audience that will let her have a certain lifestyle. Anyone who isn't happy with that doesn't have to be in her audience.
If you find yourself getting sincerely disappointed in a streamer for not having the kind of ambition you want them to have you probably have shit in your life that your time would be better spent addressing.

>>11657518
$60 a year. You could use that amount in one time to buy heroin and use it all in one time.

>>11651561
Unfathomably based, I shall now send her 100 pesos

>>11650561
>>11654198

>>11661697
lmao i just pay 1 dollar a month so i can see extra dankpod vids and i still have to agree, vtubers fans get so much stuff from their memberships

>>11666802
These ones I have to assume live at home and have no real financial obligations except maybe like a phone bill.
Imagine driving your own car around for 8-10 hours and then just giving the entirety of your earnings for that day to a streamer.

>>11651561
you guys told me kronii was a crazy menhera bitch but she shrugged that criticism off like it was nothing kek

>>11667531
She said she would stream everything she does now in minecraft so it clearly worked, she doesn't have the conviction to stay to her character

>>11650561
Why are you surprised at this now? It's been this way for a while.
We have SCs shitting on other SCs.
Ame responded to that guy who sent in $40(50?) to complain about the expo's donation.

>>11667531
wut, she literally took 5 mins to explain herself to a troll supa, you can hear the spaghetti hit the floor

>>11653585
It's not really about the amount of money, it's how he chooses to spend both it and his time

Instead of finding other venues to gain entertainment from he chooses to send more money to the person who he feels has slighted him, most likely because he's already invested both emotionally and monetarily. And that's why I'll never give money to any vtuber because there will ultimately come a time when they stop being entertaining or say or do something that will make me regret it. Thanks to that I can drop these people as soon as they stop delivering or get annoying without having to pay them to beg them to change their ways. And on top of it all it helps that all of these whales keep essentially paying for my entertainment, I get my white noise anime girls without the need of having to get emotionally invested enough outside the passing interest I might have for them

This is why you don't touch Minecraft, the people, if you can call them that, suffer from an autism that no living being should be capable of living with. They can not function in human society without assistance

>>11661614
As a STEM guy, it's pretty obvious to me. Most of us are autistic or at least socially retarded and with relatively large % of our income available for discretionary spending. Without the usual social activity money drains, it's not hard to have a lot of money to throw at virtual goods or services.

>>11666802
Why, in the ever-living fuck, is this man sending a red super to his oshi when he makes near minimum wage?

>>11669965
Attention. That you just gave.

>>11650732
I watch Hololive, Nijisanji, VOMS and a couple of indies, and I will give my money to whoever the fuck I want to, if you've got a problem with that you can piss off and neck yourself, tribalnigger.

>>11655684
Well when you go complete creepmode and beg for these girls to let you in to their private off-stream life then yeah you deserve it

>>11656127
NTA but the thing about these kinds of SC's is it's only one opinion of tens of thousands and the majority may not mind at all anyways. Heck give it a week and this guy might start complaining that she's just sitting in front of a mob grinder for hours, I don't even watch Kronni but I prefer streamers just do their own thing. Now if you just keep it to 4chan that's fine.
It's not like they don't suffer consequences if they take the stream in the wrong direction, look at Kiara pondering about her turnover of old time viewers and she will probably never know why.

>>11661614
Faggots in STEM have zero concept of fiscal responsibility. Software developers in particular.
No, spending half your paycheck on shitcoin is not responsible.

>>11654497
>her behavior
Elaborate, I want juicy details

>>11654370
These girls have no rights. They signed away the one thing artists have always said you should NEVER sign away, no matter how good the money is: their names.
Vtubers deserve to be demeaned and abused like the glorified titty dancers and stage whores they are. Anyone that unironically talks about “respecting” chuubas is NGMI.

>These girls have no rights. They signed away the one thing artists have always said you should NEVER sign away, no matter how good the money is: their names.
>Vtubers deserve to be demeaned and abused like the glorified titty dancers and stage whores they are. Anyone that unironically talks about “respecting” chuubas is NGMI.

>>11671482
She simply gave in to the complaints and said that she would stop doing minecraft off-stream and stream everything she builds, and of course she took this as stop playing minecraft entirely except for the once a week stream

>>11650340
>Callie and IRyS making "Galpal" jokes.
Looks like the girls gonna scissor.

>>11657026
Big booba
This was easy to see when she had more subs than everyone else in her gen before even having her debut. Meanwhile Sana got shafted due to her model, regardless of her stream quality.

>>11651561
it's obvious she's not building her shit in minecraft. she has a boyfreind or some minecraft autist she's paying to make all her "koronii" minecraft builds. have you watched this idiot actually play minecraft? she's pretty poor at it. atleast for someone who should be able to build all the stuff she apparently built off stream.

>>11673295
What has she actually built? A few square rooms and a few squares for trees. Her offstream is mostly digging and prep.

Let's all agree that she's the Ayame of HololiveEN. Unless she explains why she streams less lately, we should expect the worst. This is probably the earliest burnout we've seen with a streamer.

>>11668341
>that time Ame said "watch your fucking tone when speaking to me you little bitch" to a superchatter

>>11657262
>kronii's voice is like subpar customer service
>she literally worked in customer service before this
>said of the job experience that working with people was an "enough said" horrible experience
>entire job now is dependent on entertaining people and reading their stupid supas
oh, it all makes sense now

she basically just got a huge pay raise to continue doing "customer service"

>>11674145
Thats normal for Ame, she is a total asshole to her fans. Why else do you think she is bleeding views and memberships. She recently had another freakout during her member streams because teamates did not want a pepega emote and she wanted one.

>>11653038
Yes

>>11674254
>Uuuuuumm, well… I think you should just, I don’t know, not watch me… if you don’t like me! Um, I’d like you to… watch me… if you enjoy it, but… you gotta do what’s best for you. So, um, yeah! Thanks for the super chat!

>>11659827
A lot of people do just that and leave the streamers wondering why their views are dropping.

>>11660564
I'd rather live in a world full of consoomers than a world full of whinefags

>>11666802
Big kusa moment

>>11664161
Salutation!

>>11650711
What's this music track from?

>>11664161
npc mentality.

>>11664161
Based. There's always one of the same few schizos spreading "this chuuba hates streaming!" rrats every time someone doesn't stream 40+ hours per week. I commend their obsession with doing it for this long.

>>11655224
I think that was the Keep Talking and Nobody Explodes collab with Fauna?
I haven't kept up with everything lately but that's the one I remember hearing about.

>>11675203
Shut the fuck up.

>>11674519
ace attorney iirc

>>11674361
Soul

>>11666802
Soulless

>>11675296
Yes. It was fucked. Audio levels were horrendous, the game was stuttering. Kronii herself was moving 5fps if not completely frozen, and the game itself was either stuttering or just a black screen. For a hour. To call it scuffed doesnt even do it justice. Kronii seriously just doesnt know what she's doing, she casually mentioned last stream that her PC has gotten to 110 C recently. Sure, she's getting a new one, but the lack of very basic knowledge is there. Wouldnt be suprised it she uses chrome for youtube chat, which would explain the RAM issues

>>11650732
How bout neither? I want to be a homeowner someday

Imagine doing the bare minimum to succeed and still fuck yourself over cause, why not? Legit gonna go look for someone else to support. AGAIN, why are you paying a membership for crap streams.

>>11673295
>boyfriend
Anon she super into sjw/lgbt shit and identfies as non binary. What boyfriend could she possibly have.

>>11674361
This thing gets a little blurrier every time its posted.

>>11678317
Every time she posts an even more horrible schedule, the SC loses a pixel. Kek.

>>11650340
how can someone be this much of a sour bitch
i literally can't imagine ever being such a horrendous loser to send a supa like this

>>11679891
He probably going to refund it with the bank.

I'm very glad that im content to just watch other streams or do other things when my oshi isn't streaming or has a lighter week rather go into full on meltdowns.

>>11654526
>>11655353
It's pretty easy to understand the difference between moral, legal and factual "right". Because of a constitution guaranteeing free speech, I might (for the sake of this example) have the legal right to tell someone who did nothing to me that they're an annoying asshole who woke me up at 4am; but you'd be correct if you said that I was firstly factually wrong (they in fact did not wake me up at 4am) and secondly morally in the wrong for saying it (because it was rude and unjustified).
In the case of the akasupa, no viewer a legal right to a certain kind or amount of streaming content here, and it is factually wrong state that any viewer does. Whether they have a moral right to get what they expected in return for their money is a moral question that depends on what moral philosophy you apply.

>>11650561
Americans love to put themselves in debt. So if you see an american throwing money its because he's -200k in debt

>>11655909
Anonsama... Kronii at the peak of her addiction played 6-8 hours a day off stream and people were only aware of it because every other chubba was talking about it how if they logged in at odd hours, Kronii was online and the sheer amount she built.
There was one week where she had less streaming hours when compared to the times she appeared in other minecraft streams via voice chat.
It was getting completely out of hand.

>>11650845
You spent 100 dollars on angering a literal who?

>paying $100 to bitch that one who obviously hates streaming doesn't stream much
Finna.

>>11681166
$100 is nothing once you're making six figures. The comment absolutely blasted her ass more than she enjoyed the money.

>>11678265
me

>Osana Mei came back after like a year on hiatus
>27 people watching her stream
> stream lasted barely an hour

Even with the "i'm an unatended kindergardener, please bend me over and fuck me silly" schtik she couldnt get more people. It was really sad to watch.

Kronii Minecraft NTR! Let's Goooo!

>>11660564
>>11661521
Go back to whatever red board you crawled out from.

The lesson here is fuck minecraft and apex.

>>11657026
>her voice always sounds so sarcastic and uninterested about everything she talks
That's part of the appeal

>>11684475
Why?
That pic is a pointed and on-topic satirization of people belittling arguably valid grievances.

>>11660564
What the fuck is this version, is that supposed to be someone? Not the same without Jay

>>11657026
>>11657277

You do realize there is a hentai category for Emotionless Sex? What turns you off is a huge turn on for many others.

>>11687400

This guy gets it.

>>11650340
CALLED THE FUCK OUT! I like this guy. Who's stream was this?

>>11687400
Seek help.

>>11651561
I hope kronii does one of these long videos about some random theme with that BGM and just keeps talking about it for like 40min just like Rhystic Studies videos but with Kronii and longer

>>11650711
I'm actually sad Sana's dog dying means we're probably going to see these superchats less

>>11650340
This is calling out Kronii isnt it

>>11650927
just end your membership or dont watch those particular streams. they don't owe you anything, absolute retardation at work here.

>>11651561
imagine getting mad at a streamer for wanting to play games in their own free time.

if youre actually mad a this, get back on your meds for fucks sake.

>>11657026
so youre upset that Kronii isn't some danty moe uwu loli character?

Seek help.

>>11650340
*oshis *fans
At least fix your grammar before you make whiny entitled posts, dumbass.

>>11650340
>spending $100 to whine like a bitch

>>11692564
Imagine applying for one of the best streaming jobs possible, getting in somehow, and then not streaming, why the fuck did she apply if she wasn't gonna stream herself? No one would be mad at some nobody doing this, they're only mad because kronii is in hololive

>>11693791
is she supposed to stream every waking momet of her life for you? give the lady some space huh, maybe you'd have time for your medication if you weren't helicoptering in chats so much.

>>11689136
DYRBI?