/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I thought Elira was holding a fish and it was showing its slit.

They don't have small views though? You really should only worry when their average live view count drops below 100.

>>11608702
Its better with small views to prevent normies coming in

They achieved their full potential when they became better than holotrash

>more entertaining than Hololive EN
Maybe in an alternate reality. They suck and haven't produce anything meme worthy. Other than laughing Selen, I haven't seen anything NijiEN has produced that was memorable or brought up here.

>>11608818
All Holobronies produce is artificial hype.

The highest quality product doesn't always sell the most. Just be glad that they're not literal 2views and continue to create amazing content..

>>11608702
1. Keep doing what they are doing.
2. Support members that are less popular by doing collabs and special events with them.
3. Add more members to increase variety.
By following these 3 simple rules, they will at least keep their numbers and even grow, while Holos will keep reclining, because their fans will keep falling off due to Niji's better variety.

>>11608818
I gave NijiEN a shot after a long time and I can honestly say that these girls together have better chemistry than all of myth and council combined. They definitely deserve more than they already have. If you can be a lazy mediocre bum in Holo and pull 6-7k for no reason, then some of these girls deserve 10k.

>>11608702
Its funny that NijiEN is still paying people to shill here despite the fact that its not working. Face it, nobody wants to watch your shitty chuubas.

>>11609356
First time I've heard of this. Where do I go to get paid? I've just been watching NijiEN and enjoying every second of them.

>>11608702
You sell them to yagoo

They beat the vast majority of others in the EN market and are only behind two groups that were made before them. You should be wondering how groups like Phase and Cyberlive will make their talented girls reach their potential.

>>11609459
The problem is that anyone on YouTube and isn't Holo has to often wait for people to trickle to them since HoloEN just tries to retain everything. So they need to get recommended it or feel the need to search for different vtubers than what HoloEN offers. The good thing is that those that trickle down to the other corpos seem to be very loyal to them as well. They don't seem as much as casual viewers. Not to say you can't get fans like that with HoloEN, you can obviously see it through this board.

>>11608702
>They're more entertaining than Hololive En
What?

this is basically nijitrash seethe :the post

>>11608702
>They're more entertaining than Hololive En
They are basically the same. They are the one that's vastly different with other Niji branch. Then again what did I expect from "NijiEN" fanbase.
I will never listen to /vt/ anymore.

>>11608702
They can't get much higher than they already are. They just aren't that entertaining or talented. Hell, I'm surprised they get 4 digits with how boring they are.

I love SEA hours

>>11609676
Vastly different, want did you want? A 1:1 copy of Niji JP? Also just saying that Nijisanji EN is the same as Hololive is wrong. Nijisanji EN speaks on taboo topics frequently, they have more variety and zatsudans, there's frequent guerilla streams. The hell are you talking about?

>>11609781
>speaks on taboo topics
pee pee poo poo is high brow entertainment according to Nijikeks

>>11609781
>Also just saying that Nijisanji EN is the same as Hololive is wrong.
They are the same.
>Nijisanji EN speaks on taboo topics frequently, they have more variety and zatsudans, there's frequent guerilla streams.
pic related

I can already see you never watched NijiID and KR before anyway. let alone NijiJP. Just like you and your other friends in NijiEN thread.

>>11609835
Yeah I know Hololive viewers need their diapers changed regularly.
>>11609976
Gomen KR, JP, and ID. If I could delete my view from Ars's streams I would do so as well. I don't have time to spare when all of the EN girls are all so wonderful. Perhaps I should just stop sleeping and start smashing down streams in languages I cannot understand. I can see you never understood the culture of Nijisanji like your friends.

>>11608702
>I swear they're better, they just haven't released their full potential yet
The absolute state...

>>11608702
>amazing
>its just e-thots with drawn images

>>11610340
I thank god every single day that I'm not a Nijikek.

>>11609835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbOsmQGedTs

Yes.

>>11609074
By that metric, dozens of streamers deserve 10k. But there's only so many viewers to go around.

>Big number good
Imagine being proud of your normalfag taste

>>11610590
>Small number good
Imagine being proud of being a hipster

>>11610652
to be fair it's very easy to be proud of being anything that isn't a holofag lol

Honestly NijiEN feels like hololarp and completely divorced from the main branch. Even their fans are mostly composed of HoloEn viewers and have little in common to NijiJP viewers. They're competing for the same scraps as smaller EN startups like Prism/Tsunderia/Cyberlive/Phase Connect/etc. The way forward to beat Hololive is to drag NEW viewers from NEW hobbies into vtubing and have NijiEN be their first exposure and thus their expectations shaped by them. Cannibalizing each other just leads to stagnation. Where do you think that "growth" is coming from?

>>11614292
>They're competing for the same scraps as the other EN startups
And easily getting the lion's share.
>They need to drag new viewers from new hobbies
Haven't we been saying this for western vtubing as a whole for almost a year now and yet nobody has managed it as yet? Hololive couldn't even do it with their second english generation.

>>11614511
The gap between NijiEN and those startups is closer to each other than the gap between HoloEN and NijiEN. These smaller startups have also tried to innovate with strange but niche stuff, from 4X streams (Lumi), yab discussion topics (Pippa), Tarot and based tastes in songs (Shiki), to vtuber industry meta-discussions (Slugma), etc etc etc at least they try, and maybe one of them will get lucky and succeed in bringing a new audience. Aside from the obvious new market HoloMyth got for debuting, they still consistently bring more people into the hobby by their sheer size, and doing things that aren't exactly common in the western vtubing sphere. Specifically, TTRPGs other than basic bitch shit like DnD, a hyperspecific subgenre of music introduced to the EN market, and games Vtubers don't really play often, such as Rimworld and Frostpunk, and Ame doing Ame things (Mostly old shit she used to do back then.)

I have to praise Petra, Pomu, Selen, and Nina though. Piano streams are great, Pomu plays around with her assets a lot and it's rather entertaining, Selen does deviate from APEX APEX APEX to try things like Starcraft, and Nina has mentioned wanting to play autism simulators. But I must agree. HoloCouncil was too safe of a pick for vtubers. Better "entertainers" sure, but not exactly anything transformative. Then again, I have the same complaint with NijiEN and hiring ONLY professional vtubers (sans Petra) instead of diamonds in the rough who may or may not have known vtubers.

>>11614974
>games Vtubers don't really play often, such as Rimworld and Frostpunk,
Holobrony...

>>11614974
>Entire first paragraph just shows that doing unique stuff doesn't always work in expanding your market and sheer size is mostly what matters.
Of course with all these being on YT it's not like we can just ignore that the website is a factor in and of itself, but that's been talked to death already. Godspeed to the startups, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>11615080
You know everyone plays the same shit and people that deviate are the minority. I've browsed the twitch vtuber tag and it's just APEX APEX APEX MINECRAFT MINECRAFT MINECRAFT GENSHIN GENSHIN GENSHIN. I'm glad Gura picked up Rimworld because these retarded trend hoppers started playing the game, only to get filtered and give up.

>>11615235
Hololive will eventually die. But it's not certain Nijisanji will take its place.

>>11615359
With their lead and presence in the western vtubing sphere? Very unlikely that they'll move from the top. That's why the goal of any other group should never be to take over and take the top spot but to simply cultivate a fandom you can live off of.

Stop making those cringe cartoon skits.

>>11615443
Like I said;
The gap between NijiEN and western startups is far closer than the gap between NijiEN and HoloEN. It's more likely for those startups to overtake NijiEN than it is for NijiEN to overtake HoloEN. I suppose they knew that because they're playing safe by hiring successful indie chuubas like Lyrica instead of trying out literal whos.

>>11615522
Out of the EN startups I'm pretty sure only 1 or 2 girls can even reach a consistent 200 live viewers. They all still have a ways to go.

>>11615614
You know I wonder how much Holo impacts their viewership. There is overlap with Holo and Niji EN in which when a Holo stream ends a Niji could gain a couple to a few hundred viewers. I feel like with the smaller ones the viewers don't prioritize Holo anymore and may use the streams between the times their small corpo streams to fill in dead air.

>>11615468
Nothing beats the ocean during summer

>>11614974
> instead of diamonds in the rough who may or may not have known vtubers.
This is literally Finana.

>>11615819
I think some Hololive memes do pop up in their chats from time to time. There's overlap but the fans could be dedicated enough to prefer a PRISM or Phase stream to a Holo or Niji.

>>11615928
Wrong. That's Petra.

>>11615819
It's no surprise small startups (and to some extent, Nijisanji) design their schedules around HoloEN and stream the formerly dead eurohours only Kiara occupies. Look at these;
https://teamup.com/ksqs8nsspqar316en4
https://schedule.prismproject.jp/#/
https://cyberlive.jetri.co/#/
https://schedule.phase-connect.com/#/
https://teamup.com/kstp6nma44fydnsh8h

They also don't compete with the jampacked JP primetime.

>>11608702
NijiEN is set up for more long term success by hiring actual streamers versus HoloEN which hired enterainers. We are now starting to see those results as HoloEN is basically slowly imploding in both a decline in viewership and talent health, and streaming time. If current trends continue on, I can see Selen easily being a top 3 EN Vtuber numbers wise by spring of 2022/

>>11616190
Kawaii Pro... they legit can't get a foothold on this board.

>>11617831
It ducks since Isla, Charzu and Nene are pretty good.

I remember before I watched Holo and thought anything over 1k was ironman numbers. Just enjoy the streams and let their managers worry about numbers.

>>11617831
I keep forgetting, okay? I monitor small startups and indies and I consider it a personal failing that I don't remember them. Hell, I occasionally watch Uruka and I keep forgetting she's part of Kawaii pro. Do you have their teamup? I have every company's schedule bookmarked except theirs.

>>11617831
Been saying it since last year, there's not enough vtuber fans. Vtuber got a big boost in 2020 but the number of viewers just aren't enough. There's not a limitless pool like for traditional youtubers/streamers.

>>11618043
>Uruka
>Kawaii pro
Oh no no no

>>11615522
Vshojo's next gen will determine if they solidify their #2 spot for ENchuubas or not.

Holo EN girls (both 1 and 2) are too fake.
Gura, Kiara, Cali, Ame, Ina, all keep it too prefessional to the point that they can't even form half-convincing chemistry with each other. Every interaction feels forced and varying degrees of uneasy.
Maybe the Council girls will prove to be different months from now but personally I don't see it. Kronii is legit a socially traumatized doomer whose brain just cannot function in a group, Mumei seems to be the eternal autist daughter, Fauna is good at doing her own thing but is soft-spoken, Bae and Sana seem like they could be the lightning glue that holds them together but it can't happen if everyone else in Holo EN is emotionally isolated and content that way.
IRyS is refreshingly genuine though. Bless her soda-pumping heart.

Realness is what I appreciate about Nijisanji ENs. Just watch some collab streams and immediately you can tell it's night and day. Conversations flow naturally as they should and they sometimes even incorporate their characters into their banters in hilarious ways.
It's a damn shame being real and genuine is not brings in the zoomers. Kronii "flower" and Mumei berry mental illness are the kind of content they're looking for.

>>11608702
It's all about luck and sadly, they're unlucky

>>11618112
I meant Nene, sorry.
I'm really sorry Kawaii Pro.

>>11618274
Petra...

>>11614974
>vtuber industry meta-discussions
These aren't new for JP vtubers. We had a bunch of that shit during 4kings era. Those discussions aren't as interesting/good in a stream compared to vids.
>>11615080
Holos have played those games like Marine and Kronii. I personally don't really care for them IMO. Feel like those games would be better in a video format with edits and shit.
>>11615271
Because those things get numbers. I have no idea about ENs playing APEX. If you're a vtuber and don't like APEX, then the only reason to stream that is if you can speak JP and are holding onto the tiny hope that you can enter Shibuya Hal's vtuber cup. CR Cup is aiming too high especially with celebs like that legit idol guy coming in. You can play a niche game and still get good numbers but you're more reliant on algo and time.

>>11618155
Don't forget Mouse is heading the new gen. Why do you think she does those indie deep dives? Scouting, of course.

>>11618170
>being real and genuine
Bruh, never get too immersed in streamers. You don't actually know anything about them. Not just vtubers, streamers/content creators in general. Conversations flowing naturally is nice but you're not going to be a draw if it doesn't entertain people as much. Its like modern-day wrestlers. Kevin Owens can talk and he's a good talker but like, there's no pull at all. He just speaks good.

Face it, they aren't going to do any better than they are now. For example Selen is at 174k, your so called cash cow and she can't even catch up to the council.

That's what happens when you oversaturate your own company. You don't give any of your chubbas any chance to grow on their own. Now their viewers are all over the place.

GG all around.

>>11618456
If anything it's not just NijiEN is oversaturated, it's the EN vtuber scene as a whole and NijiEN is accelerating it.

>>11618456
I don't get the oversaturated meme. They have less livers than HoloEN.

>>11618170
you are completly right about how myth is way too professional with each other compared to niji en
im just watching the fauna gura collab though and its like a breath of fresh air they are bantering with each other and having a laugh, hoping council brings more interactions like this

>>11618456
Selen will do better (her being twitch-like helps), the others might not. Just slap her on a team with Kanae in vtuber Saikyou/CR Cup and watch the numbers go.
>Now their viewers are all over the place
They're not. Most of them are concentrated on the most popular and even with collabs, its super hard to get viewers to watch other people.

>>11618540
I don't know if its because Myth now has more experience but I find Council collabs with Myth members to have better chemistry than pure Council collabs. Tho I do like Mumei/Kronii shit because its weird/"unique" but I can see why some people don't like it. Its like its super awkward but also not. That Fauna/Gura collab was all Gura tho. Kind of an interview session where she kept asking questions but good on the tree for not being too dull with answers. Helps that I'm also an Animal Crossingfag.

They really just need to try twitch for a bit. The weeb market there is bigger, chat interaction is also better imo since the chatbox isn’t as bad as youtube’s. Some of you may hate it but i think Pomu and the other girls watching some youtube video while eating would be pretty kino. Would also make the streams longer since they don’t have to end it to eat.

>>11618535
Three waves in just a year? That's oversaturation

>>11618809
For a total of ten streamers. How's that worse than eleven in a year?

>>11610392
basically every female vtuber

>>11618872
Less hype in between the debuts. Irys definitely took some wind out of Council's sails since it satiated some of the hunger for new ENs.
>>11618758
Anons will hate it because that's a further step towards being a traditional streamer. If they want numbers, drop the vtuber label and just become a traditional streamer/content creator that has an avatar/doesn't show their face like Dream or for JP, Daruma from CR. The label vtuber only gets a boost from vtuber fans but limits you.

>>11618872
That's simple because they only focused on six on that year before the other five came in for the next. So its not eleven but six in a year.

Nice try.

>>11618997
It's eleven in a 365 day period (TL note: 365 days makes one year).

>>11618967
Hype is only meaningful for debuts, is it not? Once you see how the streamer is then you either like them or you don't.

>>11618390
Of course, I'm not any of their friend or family so I don't know what they're like outside of streams, but it's easy to notice that they keep it much more real than Holo EN.
As to your second point, yes I know what entertains the most number of viewers is the meme vibes, not real vibes. I just wish it was different.

>>11619485
>it's easy to notice that they keep it much more real
Again, that's just you thinking that. IMO, all the EN vtubers talk like streamers instead of real people. My second point wasn't about real vibes/meme vibes. Its that being good at talking/having a conversation does not equal to being entertaining/captivating.
>>11619207
Hype is needed to actually get people to check you out so you can get to that part where they decide if they like the streamer or not. If people aren't tired of the old shit yet, they're less likely to check out new shit. Irys coming out satiated some of the hunger for new ENs that holofags had.

That's it. I’m sick of it. I'm sick of all this "millions of subscribers Hololive vtubers" bullshit that's going on in the chuuba market right now. Niji vtubers deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself donated to a genuine JP Niji Vtuber over 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been watching their every stream for almost 2 years now. My vtubers mog full professors of philosophy with interesting things they have to say.
Niji vtubers spend years practicing for a single stream and do their reps up to million times to produce the finest entertainment known to mankind.
Niji chuubas are thrice as entertaining as Hololive ones and thrice as funny for that matter too. Anything a HoloEN can stream, a NijiEN can stream better. I'm pretty sure a NijiEN could easily mog a HoloEN thrice their sub count with a simple gaming stream.
Ever wonder why Gura never bothered collabing with a Niji? That's right, she was too scared to be put next the disciplined Niji-kamis and their superior ANYCOLOR entertainment. Even in the beginnings of /vt/, orangeposters targeted mainly Nijisanji chuubas because their audience captivation power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Nijis are simply the best vtubers that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better numbers than they get. We don’t need those Holowhore meme spewing twitch thots to pollute our perfect vtuber word.

Here's the new weighted sub system I propose for Vtubers:

>If a subscriber only watches Hololive and not Nijisanji, they count as 1/10th of a sub
>If a subscriber watches Hololive AND Nijisanji, they count as 1 sub
>If a subscriber knows only watches Nijisanji and not Hololive, they count as 10 subs

Now that seems much more representative of the actual talent of these chuubas, don't you think?

tl;dr: Niji girls and boys deserve bigger numbers than Holowhores, see my new weighted subscriber system.

>>11620119
Didn't read that, Didn't care to read that. Do your fucking reps, touch grass, eat your spaghetti

and above all else accept the truth that nijisanji is always second place.

Is it true one of the NijiENs just doxxed Coco/Kson on stream?

>>11618170
Do we all forget that people literally refuse to watch anyother vtuber unless its hololive? Even critic's hololive Will get raid on YouTube, as the vtuber boom already over like year ago, now niji just get a left over, there nothing you or me or even nijisanji itself can do, people become busy again and can't catch up stream, its a miracle that nijiEN can even get above 1k viewer on YouTube when hololive own the YouTube algorithm

>>11620119
meds

>>11620119
They should weigh vtubers by how much I want to have sex with them t

Make them graduate and move to HoloEN Gen 3.

>>11620578
Yes, had a Google maps view of her residence along with her real name and address coupled with her afternoon routine.

>>11620119
based

>>11618967
>Anons will hate it because that's a further step towards being a traditional streamer.
They're already are streamers.

>>11608702
gas yourself nijibrony kike

>>11608840
YOU WILL HANG NIJIBRONY

>>11614974
That's why I fucking hate NijiEN wave 3 and Elira's friends, they don't bring in anything new to the table, there're other people with the same content with them but better in the market, they don't try anything new, spreading the fanbase thin when don't bring in new audience. Nijisanji management is playing too safe there

>>11629946
>Bring in someone that does tarot card reading or reads books
>Gets dogshit numbers because nobody wants to watch that
>A dozen threads a day about numbers

>>11617708
I'll take that bet for $100

>>11630030
Imagine taking that bet when you know that Nijisan's numbers aren't even going past 200k. What does that tell you? They won't even get past 500k in four years

>>11608702
Go back in time and debut them in 2020

>>11629249
Traditional streamers=non-vtubers. So either showing yourself IRL or using an avatar but not having the vtuber label ala Corpse. Don't ask me why the latter are not vtubers. Even in JP you have streamers with animated 2D avatars but they say they're not vtubers and since they say that, others say that too.

>>11630025
Mio picked up tarot card shit because she thought it'd be a fun gimmick but then Holos are crazy women and were taking it super seriously so Mio had to take it seriously too. Those always get decent numbers and are pretty fun. I think she even tweeted out that other vtubers can DM her if they want a reading.

>>11630165
So what are they? Normie streamers with 2d avatars?

>>11609356
Where can I go to get paid to do this?

>>11630222
A gimmick for a couple streams is one thing, basing yourself around it entirely is another. People still expect vtubers to play videogames in the west, we're not ready for much else.

>>11630229
They're just streamers. Its more common in JP because nobody wants to show their face but they aren't vtubers. I dunno. Some people say you have to start your career as a vtuber to be counted as a vtuber so that's why Kamito doesn't count since he uses the same name pre-Avatar and after Avatar. Some say you're a vtuber if you've been streaming as one for some time. 96neko is commonly thought of as an utaite but she got into the latest VSaikyou which is only for vtubers but she's been streaming as a vtuber for 2 years or something? You've got utaite like Amatsuki and Soraru and Mafumafu who have animated avatars and some even made new channels to use those animated avatars exclusively but they aren't vtubers. CR has dudes like Daruma who only have an avatar like Corpse/Dream. Who the fuck knows. The vtuber label is just a limiting thing at this point. VShojo's path is the right one, just be normal streamers but with an avatar.

>>11630305
Because thats what streamers do based on twitch. Unlike traditional streamers, vtubers can't do dumb shit that's like on Just Chatting like walking around a city and doing dumb shit or going on dumb trips like Ice Poseidon used to do or shit camp or watever.

>>11609074
>Group chemistry should equal individual success
What is the point of this argument. I don't even disagree that those three have better chem than most all of holo en but how does that equate to their individual numbers "deserving" to be better?

They doin great
everything right now is about brand recognition
Just look at other chuuba companies they have way less viewers than NijiEN
By numbers NijiEn is a fucking success, look at NijiID and NijiKR situation
The secret here is time, the brand will grow slowly
it will have 30+ EN livers in a year, the audience will flock the to best ones when they are live
Selen, Elira and Pomu will have 5k ccv on average

>>11630025
>have 6k audience shared between 6 members before wave 3 debut
>now shared it with 4 more new members because they have the same content and personality as you which doensn't bring in new viewer
That's why Nina is a good addition despite her PL drama because that mommy shit brings in new viewer

I love them, but I don't want them to become as huge as hololive. I like how chill the chat is and being noticed by the chuubas I like every once in a while is nice.

>>11608702
they are at it

>>11633130
Then watch the small corpo like Prism, Kawaii, Tsunderia

I mainly watch Hololive, and even I think they are doing fine. HoloEN is a fucking anomaly that occured during a pandemic where people had all the time in the world to watch streams. They were the first EN group from a JP company that had just gone viral with Korone and Im scatman.

NijiEN will be fine and will put out great content for their fans and will hopefully get more eyes on them. Just give them time. Threads like these just remind me of the one HoloEN vtuber I cannot watch, and that is Kiara. Stop whining and comparing, just grind it out. The NijiEN girls are doing it, why can't their fans?

>>11631073
Not only that but also her actually using her languaje skills and trying to actually reach other audiences besides EN and JP with them.