/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

What they should have done was not hire Nina.

>>11599218
The signs are there to see but you chose to be blind.

the concern is about third gen not the whole nijiEN branch

>>11599218
Just hire more chuubas lol

Is Selen the only one with her own fanbase?

>>11599218
Mori has more views for a watchalong than any of them, btw.

>>11599218
nijiEN wave 3
>twitch thot
>spic normalfag
>holoID leecher seanig
>tranny hag voice
You tell me? Nobody watching that shits

>>11599218
I'm sorry, but did Nijisanji already lose? Oh, that's right. The day isn't even over yet. In fact, it's only the the middle of the day. Does not having the lead at the halfway point count as a loss? Is that what you're saying? Because if you're saying that I can assure you that you're wrong. Why would you make this topic when the day is still ongoing? Nijisanji is still playing right now and they have been the biggest vtuber agency in the world for how many years now? They're up against one of the worst agencies in the business who just happen to have a lead because they're feeding off the energy of minecraft storylines and unearned algorithm buffs. But you know what? They still fucking suck. Nijisanji is the best agency in the fucking business, they have the largest CCV vtuber streams by volume, make more money, and would have won the summer if Coco hadn't been forced to graduate. Maybe you should shut the fuck up before you make retarded topics like this. You know why? Because you're going to be embarrassed when Nijisanji wins and someone bumps this topic. Oh look at that, Hololive declined from their summer high just when they needed to keep the momentum, just like the udp8 did. Are you a fucking drunk? Are you retarded? Are you autistic? You are a fucking idiot and you should never make a topic on this board again and I'm fucking serious. I almost have a feeling you're the only guy making all these anti-Nijisanji topics because you're a faggot hater who doesn't like the company because they're good. Fuck you, be good at something in YOUR life and then maybe try to troll these fucking agencies on the board, like I give a fuck. It's so easy to spot out your threads now, you're a retard. Always doing stupid shit like this. Why don't you try to be a good poster? Just for once? For once in your fucking life try not to make a topic like this. That's just you, you're always right at getting it wrong. Fuck you. You are nothing.

>>11599312
maybe some of uto fanbase is paying attention to her after the collab, also this clipper "vadur" has gained some traction spamming clips of that apex collab maybe the viewers come from there too

>>11599425
Meds

Not really a good example since watchalongs and superchat readings are the lowest view content any vtuber can produce. Even Selen is beating Mori in live views, but that's not saying much since she's watching Final Destination and Scary Godmother. That's like being proud of defeating Raditz when you haven't faced Super Saiyan Vegeta next to him. Though, generally, from what I've seen, EN3 has had lower views, even though it hasn't been that long after their debut. I could understand if it was past the month but to be this low so early is a little concerning.

>>11599218
Everyone is tired of hololive reject type of vtuber, to be honest, nijiEN doesn't bring in anything new to the content in the EN market, unlike their JP branch. It dooms to happen

>>11599218
Reimu is already backtracking and going for the spic audience despite telling them to fuck off since she's nijiEN, it's obvious they didn't expect to fail this much

>>11599424
Yeah Millie is such a Hololive leech that she actually declined becoming one of them lol
Meds

>>11599340
not anymore

>>11599592
>>11599340
Calli has been bleeding viewers and might have less viewers on non karaoke streams than Kiara in the near future.

>>11599570
her spanish stream, mmmm, desu im still kinda mad about what happened on her post debut stream with the spanish audience soo, maybe ill watch it, i guess

>>11599644
based

>>11599682
and she is the low bottom of nijiEN currently she has to branch out to other language ASAP

>>11599491
It's a copypasta anonchama

Wave 3 just ain't that special seeming so far, and worse yet Nina is .. there. In case you haven't noticed Petra hasn't been doing super-stellar either and Rosemi (even though I think she's great) also clocks pretty far lower as well. Selen is a standout because she's just plain entertaining/personable and also an actual gamer, she would have done really good anywhere she went.

Language has nothing to do with it, that's such a fucking red herring for Niji management to worry about. If your talents aren't doing so hot with the biggest one on the planet outside Mandarin (and good luck streaming in China with all the regulations now), what makes you think you'll get anything much better than a NijiKR effect in smaller ones? Focus on fixing the current ones first.

So what's the focus of OP? Enna? She got pinched incredibly hard here between literally almost everyone else and is doing a watchalong at that. Not even like a big famous movie watchalong but an animu one. As much as it pains me to say it most of the streamer audience are casual children and watching a nice anime movie is actually lost on them. I wouldn't say Enna is making a wrong move there but it's more like the average streamer audience is too pleb to appreciate it. She can in theory just go spam Minecraft nonstop if she wants the numbers, that WILL WORK just because of the makeup of the streamer audience/Youtube being like 489% composed of 12 year olds who love that game. If she's fine with how things are going and would rather do stuff she actually likes, then all the more power to her IMO. That's a willing choice clearly, and if you'd want her to be a sellout MC ""addict"" for the numbers what even are your priorities? Owning the "holobronies"? If you just want to use NijiEN as a foil to shitpost @other company you're no true fan of them at all I'll say that much.

>>11599644
It's the time bitch, she's capturing her viewers with her big dick energy

>>11599218
This is proof of what I suspected after Council debut. Not enough new viewers are being brought in. Old viewers are having their attention divided by more and more chuubas. If HoloEN gets a third gen it will flop even worse than Council(by Hololive standards).

>>11599644
That's a dumb new rrat to sling around. When did this one start?

>>11599976
It feels like YT itself also cracked down hard on vtubing as a whole since July and is willfully trying to stifle algorithmic boosts for the subject. The only one with big enough escape velocity to break into the meta of "gets recommended to total strangers all the time" basically just seems to be Gura, maybe Mori as well because of all her music.

Clipfags as a whole were instrumental to Holo's growing popularity in the west pre-EN and now that EN is here, clipfags are less relevant. Beyond just clipping content, they were also translators and served a crucial double-function and was peanut butter and jelly algorithmically.

>>11600167
Literally only Selen carried this branch

They'll keep releasing more vtubers and you will keep coping and seething, there is literally nothing your posts can do to change this.

>>11599218
Do you know what a watch-along is? What the fuck is this retarded thread?

>>11600307
Change watch? The new wave is shit? Yes, I agreed

>>11600307
It depends IMO on how closely NijiEN will go to being more like NijiJP - it's pretty distinct so far. Not only are there no males but they seem pretty intent on gen unity/friendship and constant collabs and streaming constantly nonstop, releasing schedules weekly etc (a very HoloEN thing).

This is actually, very fucking unlike NijiJP generally. If a NijiEN said "you know I need to take like, 7 months off for school see ya later guys" people would be in huge uproar here but actually this is not at all uncommon in NijiJP. So if they wanna be as close as possible to a HoloEN clone they may avoid the market saturation thing here where they fling them out like a cannon fodder and outright expect a revolving door of long hiatuses/graduations.

>>11600482
>Not only are there no males
That changes within the next two months lol

>>11599929
>If your talents aren't doing so hot with the biggest one on the planet
spanish for me still seems a decent target, look at some of the top earners of that twitch leak a lot are spanish speakers, maybe try to focus on the european side of spanish cause they do have money, and even if they dont donate they can maybe get decent numbers and opportunities to do sponsored streams to earn more.
>what makes you think you'll get anything much better than a NijiKR
bruh cmon NijiKR is a failure cause the culture there isnt that much anime focused they are more IRL idols focused on both genres
>If she's fine with how things are going and would rather do stuff she actually likes, then all the more power to her IMO.
well, she is not an indie, she is in a company unless Niji doesnt really care she probably gets memos from management to try doing something else, even Selen talked about this when trying to play some obscure games that management told her to maybe try other thing.
>what even are your priorities? Owning the "holobronies"?
i havent seen hololive since nijiEN came out for me they are more entertaining but there should be a benchmark that every talent in the company should follow in terms of viewers, nijisanji didnt hire them to do watchalongs every day and they are clearly doing a lot of them compared to the other gens even compared to hololive. No company in the world is going to be happy when your workers are underperforming. What i want? i want them to at least pull 1K, 1K isnt that hard for nijiEN i dont want them to get holo numbers only to get decent numbers for what they currently are

>>11600307

>>11600407
Oh they're definitely low quality, but it's funny to read anons larping as managers worrying about their live view counts when more and more will be pumped out regardless of their whining.

>>11600482
>releasing schedules is a HoloEN thing
Holy fucking narrow minded.

>>11600511
With Elira's boy friends? It will not change shit, the market doesn't need EN indie anymore, there's a reason Selen is the most popular in nijiEN right now

>>11599491
>falling for decade old pasta
NGMI

Market saturation combined with wrong market and bad time to do constant expansion
The signs were there all along, Nijis just didn't listen, the best they could have ever done was debut 6 members every half year depending on how well the current members were doing, instead they went full retard thinking they could pull another NijiJP without realizing NijiJP got popular in the first place because of their Live2D revolution making everyone else having to play catch up, something that's not even close to being relevant nowadays not to mention that the talents saw their chat being poisoned by Holo antis and did nothing to reverse that even though if you want to do well in the EN market you have to leech from them, now NijiEN is on collision course to having a member with less than 50 regular viewers within the next 6 months and it's probably too late to course correct that as the next 5 waves are already getting their live2d ready
Let's not forget future talents will see these numbers and decide to go either Vshojo or Holo simply because going Niji is career suicide

>>11601005
>the next 5 waves are already getting their live2d ready
What the fuck?

>>11601005
The only way for them to grow now is go to twitch, to be honest, the male way debut in the next two months will not looking good unless they get a twitch type of streamer with insane talent
>>11601136

>>11599644
We're seeing different things, anon. The way I see it, Mori got the highest number of vod views in all of hololive yesterday, she has the second highest in the past 7 days (only losing to hololive channel which produces shorts) and only loses in the past 30 days to Pekora (and hololive).
But yeah, keep believing she's reclining if it makes you feel better.

>>11601195
>male way debut in the next two months
not confirmed anywhere

is Council really so boring that you bronies need to make this thread three times a day?

>>11601136
3 male waves and 3 women waves from the last 2 auditions, only one women wave down

>>11599644
>>11601215
https://holo.poi.cat/youtube-channel

>>11601219
>not confirmed anywhere
You can't be that retarded that you don't realize how Niji works

>>11601005
>because going Niji is career suicide
now that i think about it, it is, not cause of the numbers but a combination of being known as a niji member and the fanbase, rn vshojo, hololive and nijisanji are the best companies on the EN side but with the way things are going nijiEN is on a slow decline, and even for JP side its almost impossible to get hired by a big corpo after graduating from a big one, cause the fans are going to go rampage telling them traitors, imagine what could happen if lulu or the monkey audition for holoJP 6 and get in, nijisanji fanbase are going to go full anti to their streams

>>11601239
I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding you. All of NijiEN so far has just been ONE WAVE?

>>11600259
Clippers have become a hindrance, now. Viewers just wait for the clips to come out.

>>11599218
Too many chubas too little time, it's only natural that people are going to give priority to those they've spent the most time with. The used to pull off spamming chubas in the JP branch because the fanbase is so big, but the EN fanbase is relatively small for a group of 10

>>11601234
Nah, if people keep beating you, chances are that it's simply your fault for being too beatable rather than some sort of speculated circumstances of theirs. You don't see people shitting on VShojo numbers three times a day, for example

>>11601352
No, they get multiple waves on their auditions, the waves from the original auditions have already debuted, but they went full retard and actually had 2 simultaneous auditions and in both picked multiple waves

>>11599218
Just give it time. 2nd gen took awhile to get stable. It's what I want to believe. 3rd gen is really lackluster. 2nd gen only Petra was eh.

>>11601462
2nd wave numbers haven't moved at all since their debut

Who the fuck does a watchalong with some chuuba that just debuted? Watchalong is peak GFE, you need to be in full gachikoi mode already for it to be worthwhile.

>>11601462
second gen or petra and rosemi cause selen got big numbers(for niji standars) from the start and rarely went bellow 2K

>>11601529
except for selen who is slowly inclining

>>11599682
Sorry to be that faggot but can you spoonfeed me on what happened on her post debut stream?

Nijisanji needs to be stopped.

>>11601215
What part of "non karaoke streams" don't you understand?

>>11599929
>Not even like a big famous movie watchalong but an animu one
And it's also a sequel to a tv series so you're required to watch that first before joining.

>>11601594
Who the fuck watches watch alongs? Movies are only good with your girl if you have her in your arms with the potential to mess around, not someone to continually interject into the movie or show.
>Who is that?
>Why are they doing this?
Shuddaup yuu estoopid woman and just watch.

>>11601239
Source?

>>11601694
nothing really that big but she told the spanish speakers to speak in english since she is nijiEN, as a spanish speaker i understand and i was a little angry but nothing cant be done and after seeing some of her past i understand why she doesnt want the spics anymore maybe she just wants to experience new things/fanbase

>>11601643
With big named apex players and mid size vtuber collabs, it would be impossible not to. I just hope she doesn't just pigeon hole herself.

>>11602015
Not stupid enough to share it

>>11602156
milky queen? multiple WHO's that collabed with some holoJP and ID? it is hard unless you are someone really entertaining and selen is somethng "different" in the current EN market it has his appeal it just needs exposure

>>11602239
So your ass

>>11601893
I'll bet you're fun.

>>11602284
Who's stupid enough to share their ass?

>>11601694
Nothing special, she just declined any use of spanish deciding tags or fanname cause she's "EN" and alot of people wanted Amighosts for fanname
the best part of this is that she did a JP only stream, wtf girl wheres the EN?

>>11599218
I can barely give a shit about Finana and Petra a gen 3 is too much crap

>>11602400
OH YEAH that part she actually streamed in JP i felt like that was a big middle finger to spanish speakers, i was super angry at that time but not really wasting hate on her, it just left me with "oh, you clearly dont give a F about spanish then"... "unsub"

>>11599218
they decided to do absolutely GARBAGE streams on their first week
why the fuck are they having multiple watchalongs, donation readings, etc. already?

>>11601893
リア充

>>11602400
she is super desperate for numbers rn, tomorrow she is doing a JP stream in the morning and a spanish one in the night, i wouldnt be surprised if there is a guerrilla EN one in the middle

>>11602663
She better be. Don't want that glorious back to be lost in oblivion.

>>11600482
Honestly this is why I think they aren't distinct at all. Maybe in the context of nijisanji, but in the wider western vtuber marker, they aren't special at all. Management decided to play it safe and go full on NO MALES until people started complaining. It's obviously not the reason why they're declining, but for me I lost a fuck ton of interest now that they've pumped out 10 EN members and had no males so far. That would have made them infinitely more unique and interesting to me. I still like some of them like rosemi, selen, and pomu, but overall it's started to feel like they trying to pander to unicorn fags and wave 3 is the worse one with bland designs and even more UwU CUTE GIRLS DOING CUTE THINGS. While the main fanbase wants the shit I don't want, they're getting fatigue from all the new members being shat out and it's splitting the viewership. When the Males do finally debut they'll be dead in the water because the pants on head retarded decision to try and copy hololive.

>>11599218
Watchalongs rarely get good views, thats why people were surprised with that Kronii/Sana Interstellar one? Can't remember. Anyway, NijiEN 3rd gen and HoloCouncil are struggling because vtuber hype is a lot lower now.
>>11599976
Time for a new vtuber era unless Niji/Holo can last longer than Oyabun+4kings did.
>>11602400
Why not go after ES? None of the big JP corpos have done it yet. Has Vshojo tried that? Its a better idea to pander to them than fucking IN.

>>11600482
Isn't the reason for more gen unity shit because they haven't gotten the amount of vtubers that NijiJP has? Didn't Gamers used to hang out together mostly?

Don't care about the rest of Niji EN but millie is cute and entertaining

>>11599425

>>11601456
No, they didn't. Wave 3 is for the female audition and wave 4 is for the male audition. You're retarded.

>>11603121
That and that most of them already knew each other since before Nijisanji and since the group is pretty small still, they didn't have much issue integrating the outliers into the group so far.

>>11603051
The ES streamer market is very large and they love anime more than EN speakers do so it'd be a good idea. But it's not proven if there aren't big ES indie vtubers, are there any?

>>11603003
You know, I actually can understand why they played it safe with NijiEN since their presence in the west was really small and they just came from the NijiIN shitshow but I still was bummed out with how safe they decided to play it, only females, safe designs, an idol like song for debut and in general basically no risks taken at the start, I still gave them a chance and enjoyed them plenty (though nowadats I have lost a lot of interest in them), but the dissapointment at no males was very big and it only grew after Obsydia was revealed and turned out to be only females again and the next auditions were gender segregated and the male one was left for last, which btw.
>NO MALES until people started complaining
I'm firmly sure that they only made a male audition because they saw all the complains about no males in NijiEN (which, funnily enough, Nina was apparently part of) and rushed to announce a male audition, which would explain why they didn't show any design and why it was left for last and it honestly just dissapoints me, and even angers me a bit, to think of just how much the males have missed out due to Anycolor's decision and that they will probably never get the anywhere near the same amount of praise and love from both fans and other vtuber as the girl do, certainly not for a long ass time.
Doesn't help that said decision will do nothing but complicate things even more for them, especially with how long they have taken to include them, especially after some of the girls have begun falling into parasocial and gfe shit, which will undoubtely bring in the kind of schizos that will attack the males upon their arrival which wouldn't surprise me in the slightlest if it happenned since NijiEN rn is sorta like Hololive during it's begginnings (female only group that collabed and interacted with males pretty frequently but still attracted an audience that attacked their male group upon their announcement) especially because I don't trust people when they said people like that don't exist in the west and that schizos and mentally ill fags only come from here.

>>11606231
Man been needing to get that out for a while, been struggling to put my thoughts in order until I saw some other posts around that helped in that regard.

>>11601195
Doubt we'll see them stream on twitch sadly. Hopefully the Selen twitch stream pushes through and she gets really good numbers, maybe that'll make them change their minds..

>>11606519
Anon... the Selen Twitch stream got cancelled because it was a bet about rpr using Ban****re in the tournament but he backtracked... so Selen cancelled the stream. RIP

>>11601195
You think their YouTube numbers are bad? Just wait until they get on Twitch and have to compete directly against all the established, 10,000+ subscriber male streams AND Vshojo dominance at the same time.

It will be a bloodbath. They'll be lucky to break 100 viewers on average.

>>11606576
That's sad. They should still try to stream there at least once a month.

>>11601005
Talents aren't going to "decide" to go to vshojo/holo because despite auditions vshojo is still a circlejerk and you probably have a better chance of winning the lottery than being accepted by Hololive. There will simply be no incentive to go to Niji if there's no substantial boost in viewership

Is numbers all you fucks care about. Invest in crypto or some shit it's more productive than larping as these companies higher ups.

>>11606231
Don't worry, the males will all be from Elira's circlejerk and she will adamantly defend them onstream.

>>11606231
>parasocial and gfe shit
JFC, I haven't even thought about it until now, but pretty much everyone except Selen, Petra, Nina, and Reimu seem to be going in that direction. As much as I don't trust Nina's politics for EN as a whole, I will respect her greatly if she collabs with the males regularly. As the leader of Ethyria, her giving the males exposure would really help them out.

Then again, the only reason to think Nina hasn't gotten political so far is because she wants the money. And if she wants the money, I'm not sure if collabing with dudes would go over well with her mommyfag gachikois.

>>11606231
But they do have a male, he's a professor and everything, very respectable.

>>11606783
>Selen
i don't know man, even if she doesn't do it intentionally, she managed to have the largest group of Goslings /here/... and outside of here i never saw other NijiEN girl with confession supachas like Selen, the largest amount of concernfags and and a lot of honeyed comments on her chat / twitter / youtube

>>11605766
Nimu

>>11599976
The thing about Holocouncil is Hololive deciding to randomly introduce Irys before them kinda fucked the whole thing up. Because she wasn't really part of any of the HoloEN gens, so it costed Holocouncil its hype.

>>11606231
The amount of "THINK OF THE POOR MEN" posts /vt/ makes, I cannot wait to grudgepost all you people when they're met with hate and targeted, kicked out of EN general, and basically never discussed.

>>11599218
What is happening? A new wave got started and now they need to find their own audience. The hell is so difficult to understand that Nijisanji isn't about watching everyone. You go, oh, I like what X is doing, enjoy what Y puts out, and Z is cool as well. Congratulations you found the formula for what Nijisanji is.

Also, if you don't like what A, B, or C is doing, you won't see them. That said, Nijisanji EN's member are doing better than 95% of the market. They aren't the absolute pinnacle. Though only time will tell if a standout member can incline to high 4 or perhaps 5 digit viewers.

there're many many livers in NIJISANJI
don't get attached
nah, if they didn't get popular, NIJISANJI adds new livers HAHA

>>11607184
I'm hoping for all of them to incline, but considering Nijisanji being late to the draw and nearly all of them basically being in the same decently-large circle of indies, I think these numbers are about expected.
Feels like something's missing about their potential, too. I really, really want Millie to shitpost harder, for instance; those moments are unironically some of the best content from her channel. also jesus fuck Millie cut back on streaming unarchivable things, your SEO's ranking's gonna bleed with that few VODs available

>>11600307
>Nijisanji is going to release new vtubers every week
You know this is going to happen

>>11607123
Basically Council should have come back in like, June, to crush Lazulight and then Irys should have debuted maybe last month to keep up some hype going.

>>11601005
>Let's not forget future talents will see these numbers and decide to go either Vshojo or Holo simply because going Niji is career suicide
I think this is the real kicker. Sure going from 100 to 500 views is good but you also got someone else's hand in your pocket. And what if you do shrink to 100? Then there is zero benefit. There are people who gain workable viewerships just cause they focus on a certain game or make the right friend.

Orgs only matter if they do a lot for you, open up possible interactions or guarantee high views.

>>11607389
The only thing missing was an early boost. Unfortunately, for Nijisanji meme characters from Hololive dominated, completely winning over the boom portion of the market. With increased competition Nijisanji EN is putting up a great fight in wrestling for market share.

>>11607332
Shouldn't you be attending your English lessons Mohammed?

>>11607123
The thing with Council is that they suck.

>>11607603
Yeah, sucked the life out of nijien lol

>>11606806
Now that you mention Oliver, I find it a bit funny how most of "honorary EN" in NijiEN are girls, Bobon and Oliver are the only male honorary ENs last I checked, and even then Oliver is the one that people label that way the most due to how much he interacts with the girls on twitter.

>>11607634
And sucked the fun out of EN Minecraft.

>>11607776
You mean revitalized en Minecraft and sent it soaring to new heights

>>11606783
Like >>11607004 said, Selen may not do it intentionally but she has certainly done and said things that triggered those kind of feeling in a considerable part of her fans and parasocial relationships can happen unconciously/unintentionally and Selen, from what I have seen, is more vulnerable and sensitive than she lets on which can help in developing those relationships.
Pomu I feel is also going that path without realizing, she has spoken against that kind of stuff, but I wouldn't be surprised if all the stress from the things she has been going through (surgery, job getting more difficult, starting to fall behind, which she in the past admitted made her feel like a burden), the weight of some of her desicions/actions catching up to her (deciding to leave her job even if she is still there as part time), how different her surroundings are and her own self admitted difficulty in expressing herself and her emotions well, which probably led to her bottling it all down, has made her more vulnerable and unstable than she realises which and made her start to fall into the parasocial hole without her really noticing.

>>11599424
HoloEN gen 2
>Boring rrat
>Twitch thot
>Debuff by nigger
>Incompetent owl
You tell me

>>11607776
they did the exact opposite you retard

>>11607970
Not really watching Selen all that often, but I get the feeling of her being a tough-seeming girl with a vulnerable center. Classic "one of the boys" with a gap moe, it's an easy bet as to why she got a lot of those types; it's almost as if I'm seeing parallels to early Ame.

>>11607184
>they need to find their own audience.
Not saying none could blow up, but expecting more than one to have a serious boom is pure copium. Your debut at a big company is usually when you tend to do best. So maintaining that ground is important. Fighting back up that hill without new fomo hype is tricky. Pomu did it cause she's pomu and people found that funny. The clip gods smiled upon her. Though she has since slid back down a fair ways. That isn't a reliable strategy and even if you stumble at first you do need to hit the ground running. Especially cause how long till the next wave?

Plus you can't go on about muh niji strats when the thread has clearly established how different EN is. Gen unity is more of a thing, more idol like, you were able to keep up with most of gen 1/2 but there is also a pretty clear main clique being pulled from. Nepotism is everywhere but you want a couple different pools of it. Not mainly one extended social group pulling themselves in. Cause you end up with one big shared universe and isolated weirdos on the side.

>>11599644
This is the dumbest rrat I’ve ever seen. Mori regularly gets at least around 8k live viewers on most streams. She had around 7k for the majority of the first half of her Jump King endurance despite it being in a weird timeskot for her, then bumped up to like 13 or 15k in the second half of the stream. She regularly gets high views even on simple chatting streams. If you think her getting low views on streams like Doom or Watchalongs is a sign that she’s ‘bleeding viewers’ then you’re a retard.

>>11606641
Not really, they got around 2-3k when Lazulight streamed there. If anything they're going to get boosted by vshoujo since they're going to raid their streams.

Overpopulation

>>11599425
Cancerous post

>>11608133
Actually if you pay attention to the answers dragoonslings give when asked why they gosling Selen of all people you will get a very similar answer to what you said.
She is a tough, one of the boys tomboy but that has a more feminine, vulnerable, moe side that sends them into a loop when it appears (like in her bento stream or that unarchive stream she did months ago).

>>11608207
The mentioned scenario was inevitable with how much Anycolor lagged behind in the overseas market. Unless they headhunted some talents from startups like Tsunderia or Kawaii. Grabbing a good group of independents who knew each other to get the branch OFF of the ground was a great decision. Now Nijisanji has more than 0 presence in the English speaking market.

Though now that pool of indies is exhausted there is the inevitability. A decision to be made, how to go forwards with new waves. Waves 1-3 include incredibly experienced and tightly bound members. Likely, the new batch will need to carve out a brand new audience entirely which is what Nijisanji has been doing.

If there's any time to break away from the concept of all the members need to be friends then now would the time for management to make the move. Just as EN is now running at a decent pace.

>>11599218
>ACCELERATE
>REALESE THE 4th GEN NEXT MONTH

>>11608056
What is it about nijiniggers that in every thread that brings up wave 3 sub four digit performance they bring up council like it'll somehow make wave three less of a failure?

>>11599312
She turned many normalfag Apex players into her fans, making her fandom stand on its own, everyone else just pulled from already established fans and as a result they are less stable

>>11608589
Shhh let them cope

>>11599218
They were rushed out and aren't entertaining. That is what is happening. Pretty simple anon.

>>11599218
Gen 3 is a filler arc, its a skipable season but it has soul despite the fact that its not canon

>>11599425
go back to r*ddit you colossal nigger faggot

>>11608647
Cope seethe and dilate you flaming gorilla nigger

>>11608589
>>11608610
Because by comparison within their release order Nijisanji EN wave 3 is doing fine by Niji EN standards while Council is failing to do the same by comparison to Myth's early days. Unironically, thread watchers and numberfags live in Virtual Neverland where they feel the need to talk about things that they know nothing about.

>>11608532
I don't think it is that good an idea past a few members, especially cause you don't know 4/5/6 will break the trend. Some of the males will also likely be from the friendship group. There was likely a bigger audience for them than they were getting. But it clearly isn't stretching far enough. They didn't need more Elira & friends as people were getting enough of the groups style. With smaller groups of nepotism hires you can get people who are close but also need to integrate with the wider company. Forming entirely new dynamics. Casting a wider net earlier means you can pull in more types of viewers. If after that you let a couple friends in and move on that can work.

Plus while many love to go on about how close they are, every group of fan boys sees that or at worst headcanon. It is overstated when clearly a lot just like Selen or Pomu. Sometimes just having the right one is enough to expand a market and they can make friends over time. I'm not into Nina but she can ultimately bring a new style for someone else.

>>11607184
Thank god you have a brain friend. Those girls have more views than 95% of the market and retards act like it's bad.

Niji and Sony are the cancer killing japanese vtubing.

>>11608761
>THIS IS WHAT NIJINIGGERS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>11608817
Having no chemistry early on works if there's a pre-established audience. Nijisanji EN lagging behind in its release didn't have that luxury of choice. If they had started off of awkward as Hololive EN's early day then this branch would've been as dead in the water as IN was.

Now Nijisanji can pull in fans of the existing Nijisanji EN branch and more talents may be willing to join now Nijisanji has a decent presence in the English market.

/vt/ needs to hurry up and create and vtuber group. These threads really show that they have a deep and nuanced understanding of the market and will be able to find success where all the other EN groups other than Hololive have apparently failed.

>>11609407
Isn't it the perfect time for the 4chan vtuber to finally make her grand debut? I mean even fucking Crunchyroll joined the market, and the newest girls are clearly just plebbit shitposting for content at this point.

>>11609186
>If they had started off of awkward as Hololive EN's
Thing is people still enjoyed those, they don't mind watching growing friendships. Nijis go on about it but holofags still had a lot of fun and found special moments. Meanwhile Pomu didn't blow up cause of amazing chemistry with her friends, but cause people saw clips of funny green lady saying I'm Pomu. The draw of an individual matters most, you need that in order to spread and mix fans. We're seeing the effect of trying to pull the existing fans, it isn't working. Something like Enna singing did better than the collab. Cause it showed off a strong individual talent.

The strongest aspect of a collab and friendship is mixing audiences that normally wouldn't do so. If they're a similar audience you aren't growing much.

>>11609725
Honestly I think she'd flop unless the roommate is really good. Not too many people here would even watch her post debut.

>>11609407
>Being in a company ran by numberfags who don't even understand numbers.
I wouldn't wish that upon anyone.

>>11609725
Hiro should just make Beatani the official 4chan mascot so she can finally masturbate to him and die happy.

>>11599312
She is the most unique NijiEN

>>11599312
She have 2 audiences:
>Apex one
>Variety one
At the start of her race in Niji she always had more people watching her Apex streams and it got boosted by multiple collabs. With the passing of time, lot of Apexfags started to check the other content gaining a growing audience on both parts. Now she managed to pull the exact same amount of audience for variety streams (even surpassing her solo Apex streams). Of course also depends on the game but she is growing outside of the Apex bubble and I'm happy

>>11609904
You aren't understanding what I trying to speak on. From a business perspective choosing and allowing talents to recommend potential picks makes sense early on. You want a consolidated foundation that is solid so you can take risks later on. Lazulight and Obsydia succeed so now future generations of EN don't have to worry about the branch shutting down.

>>11610251
Get back in your Apex cage.

>>11610397
I do get what you said, I'm pointing out it isn't that effectiveand and very clearly isn't pulling the numbers. Especially spreading it this thin. Your assumption that they must have perfect chemistry straight away, that people can't hit it off quickly and that collabs are the big deal is just off. The ones doing best don't owe it all to on stream chemistry. In fact Selen's fans largely seem like a separate group pulled in because of her own style. You are overestimating the need for pre-established friendship, it may have in fact limited them by not prioritizing a larger range of audiences.

The problem is less the overlap in fanbase that a lot of NijiEN streamers have, but more the overlap in schedule.

Enikara, hire some more people that aren't in burger or mapleland for fuck sake. NijiEN has 12+ dead hours because everybody is streaming at 6/7pm EST

>>11610251
I guess I am in the minority that was exact opposite. I just really enjoyed her energy but didn't give two shits about apex. Watched it only becasue it was her streaming.In time I started to enjoy them seeing how her collab partners are pretty fun and even tried the game myself

>>11610397
No that is stupid, nepotism hinders niji from hiring actual talented chuuba, and Selen is the best proof that individual talent > chemistry

>>11599218
>starting with watchalongs and zatsus
There you go.
Watchalong is a debuff unless you're already pulling four digits consistently with other content AND have Gachis/people that think you're genuinely a cool friend type character and the same applies for zatsus just to a much lesser degree.

The branch really fucking kneecapped themselves.

>>11608241
Yeah the Jump King endurance really kills this rrat.
Unless you think the second least popular Council & IRyS were bringing in those giant crowds.
>>11608593
>She turned many normalfag Apex players into her fans, making her fandom stand on its own, everyone else just pulled from already established fans and as a result they are less stable
Yeah that's a massive factor. She has the right mix of accessible personality/interests & accessible game to draw in people who may not even watch Holo or other Nijis.

>>11610742
>>11611437
Again think of this from the business, hiring perspective. If you're hiring for the position of a streamer and your employee is willing to vouch for another, that's a safer bet than just pulling from the general pool. In context of Nijisanji, nepotism would've prevented Nina from getting in. Taking a bigger risk sometimes gets a larger payout, though sometimes the cost is much larger.

>>11599976
ID3 is coming soon. Let's see if the all get sub-Anya numbers

>>11610824
Where care the EUROPEAN streamers NijiEN?

>>11599218
They're supposed to get their own fanbase like Obsydia did not to expect the old fanbase to watch like 4 new girls

>>11611437
Selen is the best proof that chemistry > individual talent.

>>11601005
>Live2D revolution making everyone else having to play catch
What
Their Live2D was always dogshit. They only did that because they didn't have funds for 3D avatars and it was the popularity of Mito that made it a thing

>>11601234
Yeah. The new Holo gens are too bland even for shitposting so expect more Niji bait threads for a long while

>>11612345
No one wants to work with european labor laws.

>>11599218
Pretty sure Selen peaked over 4k too for that stream.
>>11599494
>watchalongs and superchat readings are the lowest view content any vtuber can produce
Incorrect. Zatsudans and SC readings can be the same if not better depending ON the vtuber. You have people who tune in JUST for that. Watchalongs depending on the vtuber and movie access. For example when Pekora watched The Mask it was just as popular as her regular content.
>>11607123
They didn't fuck that up, IRyS is a VSINGER, she's just tied to Council like Azki is tied to "Gen 0" despite being a VD and not technically a Vtuber like the rest of her Genmates.
>>11607453
You can't crush a more entertaining group of livers. I like Sana and all but Council is far less entertaining than any of the NijiEN girls, well Wave 1 and 2.

>>11612599
Are there any good South African streamers?

>>11610397
Client's are going to recommend people similar to themselves. That's fine in an unsaturated market, not now late 2021.

Redundancies and overlap are terrible for saturated market. Managers should've adapted to the current climate.

>>11613199
Has any vtuber group adapted to the current market? Every group has overlap.

>>11612861
Check out the Africats thread, my dude

>>11611671
>Again think of this from the business,
Okay, looks like it'd limit the types of appeal your company would have. Betting everything on every 2view friend being gold and not your employees bias. The bump of initial closeness diminishes over time, as strangers can bond and if they hit it off right very quickly. You could also have the same benefit from each unique streamer getting one nepotism pick but no more.

Now going off the numbers, who is right? Me, the strength of a channel has come from unique personality or talent. Not they are already friendly.

>>11613431
Every company has been making the same mistake. This 'decline' is literally companies making bad decisions

>>11601311
But things like that already happened multiple times without much of a problem.

>>11611671
The point they are making, anon, is that they did this too early. We know that bringing in groups of friend sworks from Hololive; look at Gamers, all of them nepotism hires from FBK, and the second most successful JP Gen after 3rd gen. The thing is, their group was small and they joined with a good number of senpais to collab with so they could establish new relationships.
What Niji did with bringing in a group of friends might've worked if they changed up the order a bit. Bring in half the group first, then push out some chubas that are individuals (or even belong in their own separate friend group) for the second wave, then finally sandwich them with the rest of the group after. That way they'd give them some time to assimilate. I would even suggest that they had waited a few months before bringing in preestablished friends. Again, looking at Holo, EN this time, Ina brought in Sana (and maybe Kronii who knows) and we saw the chemistry between them. The situations aren't that comparable due to the difference in share of the market, but something to think about.

>>11614153
They've done this each gen already though. Finana was outside of Mint and Nova's friend circle, and Rosemi was the only one in Obsydia that had any real connection to the Lazulight girls.

Can't speak much for Ethyria so I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure fox and ghost aren't nepotism hires.

>>11614374
Nina was the outlier of the wave, Reimu is friends with Petra and has connections to Nijisanji and Kanae and Millie and Enna are both friends with Elira.

>>11613690
Maybe because expanding the market is much easier said than done? Even on this board everyone just says "Don't do what Hololive does" without really going deeper.

> no clip of her get recommended
> most people in vtuber community not really interested to check vtubers with "nijisanji" brand on it.
nijisanji also doesn't has a fandom as big as hololive. i bet 30%-40% of selen viewers also only watch selen and don't really watch the other girls too

>>11609407
4chan vtubers are a failure because they're women. They might have insight to the industry, but they're all self-sabotaging menheras with no concrete goals on what to do with their lives and their content.

>>11611437
>nepotism hinders niji from hiring actual talented chuuba
Wrong. You can get good skilled workers through nepotism. The issue is, nepotism creates overlap, it also makes things predictable, which makes things boring. Streaming is entertainment they cant afford to be boring.

I'm surprised people don't like the bird's hag voice, I think it's really cute.

>>11615079
>i bet 30%-40% of selen viewers also only watch selen and don't really watch the other girls too
Hence why they all collab with one another. It doesn't always spread people, but it can do a bit for them. I've probably subscribed to about four girls due to collabs.

>>11615263
Bird hag is great, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a fag

>>11607167
do you think females make such posts?

>>11599218
anykara does not care if other members flop. that is not their policy in the first place anyways. they just produce more and more vtubers and see who stands out the most. if one retires, it will not affect the rest of the group.

>>11614524
Why exactly is one of the talents themselves a talent scout? I've been in a toxic work environment like that before where the guy hiring just crowned himself king and everyone sucked up to him constantly. I'm not accusing Elira of anything but what would a relatively large company be thinking to do this?

>>11615079
Thats normal. Despite Holo's sankisei being what it is, barely anyone watched Flare's shit back in the day. Just collab and hope the big one can enable the smaller one to attract some viewers.

>>11615079
Nijsanji is insanely popular in Japan, it's more akin to being Nintendo, like em or hate em it's a household name. Up until a couple of months ago, you needed to know Japanese or watch teh ID branch that speaks English. Clippers found money in Holo and never went back.

>>11612507
Do you even know your vtuber story? Nijisanji was the first one to go Live2D, that had a ton of appeal and made them extra popular back then, combined with Iinchou being quite out there they became the most talked about JP chuubas at the time
Anykolor for some reason thought they could replicate old story with NijiEN, even though Live2D is no longer a big deal and they failed miserably at getting an equivalent to Iinchou

>>11616288
But still tho even dedicated clippers might struggle to translate NijiJP, also Niji fanbase are very strict with their clippers, causing them to feel uncomfy with Niji as a whole and stayed loyal to holo

>>11616458
>Niji fanbase are very strict with their clippers
Can you blame them after seeing what clippers focus on with the EN girls? And now the "best xx seconds of your life" style clipping in Holo?

>>11599218
Enna averages 1.2k to 2k views on her normals streams
Idk why everyone is freaking out about a fucking watchalong that aired late on a Sunday

>>11616613
No you're supposed to pretend that OP's pic is the norm.

>>11616613
Depends on the time slot as well. Anything early NA time gets fewer viewers.

>>11616055
Enna may have said that Elira is the queen of NijiEN and a top scouter, but that could have been a joke due to how pretty much everyone in the branch sucks up to her (and Pomu) and management seems to want to push her into the role of leader and face of NijiEN, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if that was also the thruth due to the same reasons and seeing who got in wave 3, which would also explain why they gave her influence on the scouting department, they seem to hold her in a very high regard and combined with Anycolor's possible lack of knowledge on the western market it wouldn't be surprising if they looked at one of their top members who happens to have several indie contacts that are fairly popular and that probably knows the market better than them for help in the scouting.
Dunno what this could mean for the male wave honestly, which, at this point, is what concerns me the most.

>>11616613
When did she average 1.2-2k viewers (I assume you meant "viewers" instead of "views")? Her singing stream was the first and only stream she got closer to the 2k side (2k6 at peak). Going by Playboard, the rest of her streams (not counting the debut for obvious reason) peaked at 1.3k (Phasmo collab so I'm not sure if it should be counted as a normal stream), 956, and 931. That's more like 900-1.3k for her peaks, not anywhere near the 2k.
I don't really care, but there is a reason to concernfaggings (or in the OP's case, likely shitposting) seeing that she is still just on her second week of streaming

>>11617074
I've seen the Minecraft, OHC and Superhot streams all pass 1K since I watched them live. Was it the Q and A that only reached 900?

>>11617074
So she's doing as well as the rest of EN?
So no, there's 0 reason to concernfag

>>11599218
>Watch-along
Kind of thought those type of stream were exclusive to member only.

>>11599340
>>11599644
>>11599976
>>11601215
>>11601234
>>11599957
>>11600121
>>11601215
>>11601264
>>11608241
this thread is supposed to about nijiEN, not holofagEN. go away holobronies

>>11617290
IDK, here is her Playboard page: https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCR6qhsLpn62WVxCBK1dkLow
Phasmophobia: https://playboard.co/en/video/URB_I19kPPE
MC: https://playboard.co/en/video/dPMiLT9x7II
OHC: https://playboard.co/en/video/2e5mZHHknTA
and Superhot: https://playboard.co/en/video/D1AJBEuweK0
I indeed missed Superhot (which crossed 1k line and went as high as 1,427), but neither MC nor OHC broke 1k (peaked at 942 and 931 respectively), and her Q&A and Free Talk streams didn't either.
Playboard is having her average CCV at 1,052. They only track up to 15 most recent streams, but she only has 11 recorded streams there so far (not counting the short vids) so I don't think they missed anything

How is this thread still alive?

>>11610824
>The problem is less the overlap in fanbase that a lot of NijiEN streamers have, but more the overlap in schedule.
Overlap in fanbase is terrible, especially in financial context because there's only a set of paypigs and they get spread thin with more new members appear, nepotism hire made it harder for them to get a new audience as most of them have similar content, nijiEN would be fine if they stop hiring the same Elira/Pomu friend group at Obsydia, as it is showing, the one who has different contents to them are the most popular in the branch right now, wave 3 suck because they have the same content as Pomu/Elira, they add nothing new to the table

>>11613431
NijisanjiJP, they have every vtuber for every niche out there and often hiring quirky people. They fuck up really hard with nijiEN nepotism hire

>>11616458
>Niji fanbase are very strict with their clippers
wdym anon ?

>>11618571
NijiJP has been around for years vs. NijiEN. Even then people still point towards JP trying too much to reach every niche.

>>11618241
I sincere believe Petra will incline. Other than her dogshit game choices, at least she offers something unique. Her piano streams are impressive enough, but she also composed her own BGM for the Squid Game stream.

Paradoxically, she's also a massive normalfag compared to the rest of NijiEN.
>>11618571
Same, man. Same.

>>11599682
I'll take it, but angrier

>>11618571
Just out of curiosity, out of the usual friend group are there any good gamers out of the males? Or are they all musically inclined?

>>11618571
>every niche out there and often hiring quirky people
Only after NijiJP had already established themselves a foothold in the vtubing community.

>>11616055
Yeah, the way Millie and Enna cling on their PL relationship with Elira really turned me off, it feel like they are using that to boost their number while the other new girls don't interact much with Lazulight. Also all that "unity" and friendship they're selling before feel really cheap now that the new arrivals are more closer than their genmate just right of their debut

>>11608241
You said it yourself, "second half of the stream". Those views were all thanks to Irys and baelz.
She can't get 3K views on a buff game like doom.

>>11618687
I talked to some of them and they view clippers in a very offensive way, they would say that clippers spreads the wrong image about Niji and only N4 and up nihongo speakers can watch Niji

>>11608553
Will the madman ever stop? Is his goal to have every human being on the planet become a vtuber? Is this how the singularity begins?

>>11618980
Petra and Enna are collabing this week.

>>11619211
Clippers taking things out of context and spreading them is a legitimate issue.

I gotta ask, was there a demand for a NijiEN wave 3? I mostly watch Holo with Niji at the sidelines and never got the impression for a 3rd wave demand. There's too much to keep up with in this over-saturated market already.

>>11599957
Suddenly I have the urge to see Kronii cock voring deadbraps into her big dick like a vacuum

>>11618940
Not really, after the first two wave(in span of two months, and even then their contents and personalities are very diverse), they started hiring gamer group, SEED group, VOIZ group. After Mito, Kanae and Kuzuha and SEED were the most breakingthrought vtubers they had. Most of the top nijisanji like Kuzuha, Kanae, Mito or Kenmochi weren't nepotism hire either
I agreed with this>>11611437

NijiJP is bloated but I'm glad Nijiniggers can admit they rather throw 100+ vtubers at the wall just so they can get about 7 successful ones.

>>11619534
I want new wave but with more fresh personality and content, not Elira and Pomu's friends and their type of contents(zatsudan, utaite karaoke and shit)

>>11618871
The later, they are in Pomu/Elira friend circle for a reason. I want some fuck all give eccentric funny guy like Kuzuha or Chaika, not some effeminate fag

>>11619642
Anyone who actually watch Nijisanji knows AC stated their ideology is 'anyone can become a vtuber', every one of them has success in some way, but you need to actually know JP to realize this.
>>11619526
It is, it damn near destroyed some of Gen 5's streams in Holo because of all the misinformation going around because dumbass translators saying they talked about being "mentally ill" due to HoloEN's success and how they all "feel worthless to hololive." Then you have clippers who basically made Finana seem like an absolute dumbass when actually watching her she's far from it, she's just not going to pretend to be what she isn't.

>>11620054
Charismatic streamers don't become vtubers

>>11619526
But Niji has no context posters too, it's just that for a weird reason their fans put them on twitter instead, gatekeeping it from the general public

>>11620104
I'm sure the ones streaming to 150 people while playing APEX feel like a real success.

>>11619534
the demands are male wave, not all female wave again

>>11620479
No one is demanding males in the west, my nigga. People here are memeing because anyone with a brain knows the west don't give a fuck for male chubbas unless they're big name streamer turn pseudo vtuber, e.g Bahroo.

>>11620541
But that's what makes the male wave interesting tho, the fact that there's no demand yet makes Niji felt they can be more lax to pick the most exciting talent and create that very demand here in EN.

>>11619534
Thats not how Nijisanji operates. They'll keep makes new waves until the get another Mito

>>11611437
>Individual talent > chemistry
Chuubas can't just rely on collabs, they don't do collab everyday. Most streams are going to be solo.

>>11615823
Welcome to Nijisanji

>>11599218
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I AM EVEN RESPONDNING TO THIS THREAD DESPITE IT HAVING BARELY ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU

>>11615823
>if one retires, it will not affect the rest of the group.
I wonder if this is a more stable long term plan for an agency like think about it, holo really lost it each time their talents graduate like Aloe and Coco, it hurts because of the bond among talents and fans alike is so strong some still couldn't let it go. Niji on the other hand are more accustomed to graduations because it's more frequent and they know well how Niji system is basically vtuber battle royale and they are also feel easier to pick new oshis from the closest livers to their graduates. So whenever the inevitable regeneration starts in agencies, Niji might have the advantage quicker regeneration and adapting to graduations quicker than holo

>>11622448
It isn't the case for nijiEN tho, if one of the nijiEN retires, it will hit them very hard

>>11619010
Doom isn’t a buff you retard, at least not for Mori’s fanbase. She also typically averages 4 - 5k for those streams anyway. She had something like 12k watching her “Fanmade Games” stream, a solid 16k for the entirety of her last Minecraft endurance despite it taking place in the dead of night for most of her viewers, and like I said, she still gets high viewership for zatsudan streams even now a year later. She had over 11k viewers during a rebroadcast which she had already gotten 26k live for. I repeat: if you think her getting low views on a few recent debuff streams is a sign she’s ‘bleeding viewers’ you’re a retard.

>>11622520
Only because it's smaller comparatively, and the west is more cutthroat and parasoical so if say Elira kicks the vtube bucket, it ain't gonna be pretty.

>>11622548
>Doom isn’t a buff you retard,

>>11622520
Well they only have 10 livers and 3 waves so yeah, still not enough. Give it until wave 10 and some early graduates to accustomize EN to how Niji works

>>11614153
>Bring in half the group first, then push out some chubas that are individuals (or even belong in their own separate friend group) for the second wave, then finally sandwich them with the rest of the group after.
This is literally what happened. What the fuck.

>>11603051
>Why not go after ES? None of the big JP corpos have done it yet.

>>11614153
That's literally what they did. Do you actually watch NijiEN?

>>11622846
Is there proof that Doom is a buff game that isn't Korone doing cute sounds during vtuber frenzy?

>>11608056
Dude, they both suck

>>11608553
Absolute madman. I'm placing all my bets on Niji En gen 100

>>11623633
Buff games aren't the same for everyone. APEX is a buff game for Kuzuha but not for Matsuri for example.

>>11599469
I discovered Selen before the collab and it was a dream coming true when they collabed. Even though it was kinda shit.

>>11622772
Oof, if someone like Elira, who has major ties to several of NijiEN's livers, is getting into a parasocial relationship with her fans and is generally hailed as one of the best in NijiEN and a vital part of Lazulight's "perfect" group for starting NijiEN (also making her an OG) were to retire, the shitstorm that would follow would be inmense and would almost certainly fuck NijiEn really hard.

>>11615141
What VTuber is that?

>>11622968
How Niji works? What about ID with no graduation?

>>11612599
But many EU countries have very good worker efficiency though... They work less and in better conditions, so they're in better shape/mood and motivation and have better result.
https://www.expertmarket.co.uk/crm-systems/the-ultimate-guide-to-work-place-productivity
I know it's not the only thing to look at but still, that's a pretty known thing

>>11613563
I thought those stopped being a thing a while ago

>>11599425
I'd be more embarrassed to have typed something like that if someone bumped this thread.

>>11626702
If I didn't know this copy pasta already.

>>11620479
Kinda funny that Nina was apparently among the people dissapointed at there being no males in NijiEN.

>>11626702
I'd be embarrassed to be a newfag who can't recognize basic copypasta but I suppose being a newfag just means you're in good company on /vt/.

>>11622520
I don't think so unless the one that retires is Selen or maybe Pomu.

>>11627096
Elira would also hit them pretty hard too I think, especially with how close she is to several member and how attached her and her chat are to each other.

>>11625530
ID is an exception, not the norm. Just look at how VR,KR,IN and JP fluctuates with mini yabs and graduations here and there, also with how big EN has become, there's no way they won't deal with big size yabs in the future, I mean Nina already doing yabs as we speak. As is the norm in most Niji branches, I wouldn't be surprised to see a liver got cancelled in the future because EN can be really prone to overexaggeration sometimes

>>11600482

Hasn’t NijiID managed to keep the unified feeling even through all the new groups they’ve debuted? I’m not sure though since I don’t actually watch them. Meanwhile I feel like I hardly ever see KR interacting with each other

>>11627513
Bora's basically a JP APEX Niji. Yuya was the second biggest and is gone now. Suha's like the only one from his gen left. I saw Ban play with the new red haired guy in APEX recently. I don't know about being a unit but there's some international interactions like on Ark and stuff iirc. Unified feeling is tough because there's many waves.

>>11600482
>how closely NijiEN will go to being more like NijiJP
Didn't Elira noted that her inspiration for EN is to be like NijiID tho?

>>11599425
You must be 18 and older to post here.

>>11627817
She did, makes sense that she would push for her friends to join, makes it easier for them to try and imitate ID's feel and vibe.

>>11627513
Because their manager is a numberfagging cunt and some of them are shy, boring, or both, I mean HaYun is out there collabing with JPs despite not being that fluent

>>11629111
>makes it easier for them to try and imitate ID's feel and vibe.
by isolated ousider girls? nepotism hire is dumb for a small branch

>>11627513
The ID community is very different from others from what I have seen and heard, they are much friendly and close to each other and also very welcoming to outsiders (you can constantly see some chuubas hang out around each other's chats pretty frequently without issue), helps that they all live in pretty much the same place so they have it a bit easier to get closer to each other and have stuff like Riksa breaking into other's houses out of nowhere, constantly hanging around each other's houses (like that time several of the girls were together in someone's house, don't remember whose, and Taka was off to the side playing games) or Reza and Hyona talking for hours even if the latter is still relatively new to the group or Bobon denying him and Hana are dating without any scandal or rumour really appearing.
Of course there are some that feel detached from the overall group but generally they are very friendly and caring towards each other.

>>11599425
I saw a Chargers pasta edit in the NijiEN thread and no one pointed out it was a copypasta. How new are NijiENfags?

>>11603130
Lola...

>>11629727
It's holofags getting mad at the pasta because they think it's an actual nijifag though.

>>11629829
Nah, I've seen it in Niji threads and people getting defensive telling the guy to not start shit.

>>11630038
It's like 11 years old and gets posted every other day on some board. Surely people have seen it.

>>11629233
It's honestly pretty sad anger inducing seeing how the KR management treats most of it's members outside of Bora, even Suha, who is the last remaining member of the OG KR wave doesn't have much sway from what I have heard and that's just fucking unfair for the livers.
It's even worse when you put it beside ID management, who are incredibly passionate and hard working for it's branch's members and their success, honestly hope it gets better for the KRs.

>>11599218
Enna had a stream with 3k watching just before. Watchalongs are simply not popular.

>>11624550
It's honestly pretty fascinating how much a game's buff/debuff can vary from chuuba to chuuba.

>>11631232
Anycolor seems to be more hands off when it comes to outside branches, it's all up to the head managers. Which is why ID gets those sponsorships, convention appearances, etc. And KR is left out at sea. EN seems to be more in touch with JP due to all the official shilling.
It fucking sucks and Nijisanji does not always have perfect managers (see: Naruse Naru) so they need to do something about it

>>11633159
Yeah, that's been pretty much the case since as far as I can remember, it has it's possitives but also it's fair share of downsides.

>>11621336
It's funny how everyone worships Mito as a creative genius, but anytime I've dropped into a stream she's doing some Akiba-kei thing like playing VNs and talking about maids. The last one I tried she had a new costume that was… a high school girl but with twintails this time. Very creative.

>>11616288
>insanely
Most people don’t even watch vtubers in Japan… Also they are not a popular as you are saying.

>>11634464
She just released her own VN. That she's worked on, on stream, and that several vtubers have played already.

You do know you have to watch all of Violet evergarden which is already not that popular to watch a boring movie? Do you really think that many people like that show enough to watch that movie.

>>11639135
And she scripted it herself from what I heard, kinda curious to try it, when my reps are more far along.