/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

maybe falling in love (the right way) will help her , but let's be honest she'll have to leave vtubing at least for a while

I don't save lying whores

In just the past 7 days Festival has received more than $4,500 in superchat. I think she's alright.

I watched her solo apex the other night , it was fun.

It's a parasocial relationship, you can't do anything for her except throw some money her way.
If all of her viewer base got together and told her that she's kind of messed up and needs to do some work on her psyche (to say politely), I'd imagine she would throw a fit and start randomly banning people. I imagine she's sort of aware of her problems and doesn't need anyone to point it out to her in public.

Obviously the solution is stalking her IRL-

>>11582110
Matsuli fags are starting to imbibe more copium that even the Ayame fags
SAD!

>>11582684
I think I didn't hear you quite clearly anon, can you repeat?

>>11582110
>What went wrong with Matsuri
Matsuri being Matsuri is what went wrong.
>is there any hope for her?
Not as long as she is who she is, and she'll never change...so no.

>>11582380
Kurt Kobain was also making a buckload of money, that didn't stop him from applying a shotgun to his face to fix his problems

>>11582380
Correction, YOU would be alright with that money. She wants things that superchat revenue can't buy.

>>11587819
Not gonna lie, It's great to see a woman lose it because she can't fuck the exact people she wants to fuck.
It's the closest thing to a female incel.

It seems to me saviorfags are stuck in 6-12 months ago and haven't figured out Matsuri has a boyfriend and treats holo streaming as just a job and has been much better mentally for it. Just the usual shit from drama chasers who don't actually watch streams.

I gently open the door...

>>11590522
get on the floor

>>11590568
Matsuri fucks a dinosaur

>>11582285

>>11582110
>It's honestly really heartbreaking to go back and watch Matsuri old 2018/2019 stuff
She used to be among the bigger holos in early 2020 as well. How did she squandered it all? But I still won't give up on her. She still has a chance to be saved from herself.

>>11588286
I cannot, for the life of me, think of someone more pathetic and pitiful than not helping someone in dire need just because she has a boyfriend. I love Matsuri and I would still try to save her even if she's married. That's how much I love Matsuri

>tweets about having a dream Luna called her
What is wrong with her? That just makes Luna seem like the bad guy.

>>11594006
>I cannot, for the life of me, think of someone more pathetic and pitiful than not helping someone in dire need just because she has a boyfriend.
Nobody ever fucking helped me KEK. Imagine just helping someone because they're an attractive woman.

>>11582110
I like how this "saving Matsuri general" is almost as active as the Matsuri general.
That being said how do you save her, exactly?

>>11594290
This is the Matsuri anti thread. Strange, I thought HoloJP was dead on this board but we can still manage to have anti generals.

>>11594342
>Matsuri anti thread.
>anti thread
>When its about saving Matsuri
What?

>>11594399
If you're not cocksucking you're a anti.
After all "Anti" is retarded twitter lingo. Stop being retarded. Don't listen to twitter posters.

>>11594097
I dont see this tweet under anything she listed today on her main or 2nd account?
I also dont think that this makes Luna seem like a bad guy, more that the /u/ baiting is dead in the water or teasing a get together or something.

>>11595055
https://twitter.com/natsuiromatsuri/status/1449308094001868804

It still seems out of nowhere. We all know it's completely dead and Luna tried to be her friend in a genuine manner.

>>11582110
>Is there any hope for her?
Ironically an actual boyfriend in Holo can save her if he is not an imbecile and puts Matsuri in her place, also she can get a boost of being the first official couple, and if people see that she is changing for the better maybe she can be forgiven

What a boring thread

>general
OP, what's your endgame here? We cannot save Matsuli, so she doesn't want to be saved, and we have talked about this enough. No one here is Japanese, knows Japanese well enough to live there and "save her" like leave out being good-looking and having the money to do so.

>>11595327
>a boost of being the first official couple
you mean a total meltdown that may or may not burn the entirety of Hololive with her

>>11595423
Those schizos shouldn't be seen as people if they can't accept she loves someone, I can more or less understand if it's a secret boyfriend because you don't fucking know him, and also you are seen as a liar, but an actual love? No sane person would be against it if you know who is that person
I'm conscious that I'm being too way positive about the reaction, but If holofans are really this hypocrite and hateful theb it's over for Matsuri and everyone who stays too long into this circle

>>11595423
If she just wants to be an entertainer over an "idoru" then she's free to do so, I think even holofans accepted that in a "please someone dick her already" kinda way.
Not that it matters since I dont think she's what people go to for a girlfriend experience anyways.

>>11582110
She needs fans that watch her for stuff other than sex. Matsuri’s problems come from her mindset and reputation of being a pervert, and when that’s all people really think of you, I can imagine it’d be quite damaging mentally and lead to a streak of degenerate behaviour because you get into the mindset of that’s ‘who you are now’. Fans won’t entirely be able to save her, since at the end of the day Matsuri herself is the only person who can save her from her problems, but being surrounded by people who want to genuinely be around her for reasons other than fapfuel is a good start.

Also stop playing Apex.

>>11596063
>>11596296
Actual fans might not even be bothered, but dramafags will stir this shit up so badly that she'll suffer even more

>>11594006
>not helping someone in dire need just because she has a boyfriend.
I'll bite. How about asking some girls to save us instead?

>>11596454
Stir exactly what? A couple loving each other? In a long run they will fade because their rrats can't be sustained by themselves, an acrual stability in her life won't give dramafags any opportunity to make some rrat, you can notice that the more consistent and stable a holo is, less rrats are made around her, take for example Pekora, with a stable life she doesn't have almost any rrats than maybe the jun one, which no one believes

>>11595196
This just makes me sad wtf

>>11596063
Based. You preach truth bro, sad that the reality is that she just constantly sabotage herself. She needs genuine support, but i don't even know if she could properly manage it.

Only thing that i don't like about Festival was her lying. But even then, it's understandable why she did, but it just not a excuse.

>>11582380
That's not how that works, NEETchama.

Youtube takes 30%, then cover takes 50% of what's left. Matsuri's income most likely puts her in Japan's 33% tax bracket. There's an additional 2.1% national surtax as well as a 10% local one, for a total income tax rate of 45.1%.

So of that $4,500, Matsuri took home only 19.215% of it, or about $865.

Besides her base salary from Cover, Matsuri makes some additional money from memberships and merch sales. We don't know how much Cover takes from those, but it's probably 50% for memberships, and somewhat higher than 50% for merch sales to cover the costs of production.

If that additional income is enough to push her up into the next tax bracket of 40%, then of the $4,500 Matsuri received in superchat last week, she only took home 16.765% of it, or about $754.

My point is, unless she is getting tens of thousands of dollars in superchats every week, I wouldn't use those numbers to determine how well a holo is doing financially.

>>11582110
Post it. You know the one.

>>11582110
Why did she not accept Luna's friendship?

>>11600801
Because she wanted to fuck a niji whore instead of a pure innocent child
Which is weird considering she's a lolicon

>>11594006
>not helping someone in dire need just because she has a boyfriend
Shouldn't her boyfriend be doing that?

Tell me if she apologies to the ex-Matsurisus who she told to fuck off if they hate Apex.

Because I won't.

>>11596434
Well... If she breaks, she will get a lot of attention, and we gonna have a lot of content, its gonna be the next great event of the holo history, win-win for me.

>>11596434
Well, y'know... it'd help having any interesting personality traits other than SEEEEEEEEEEEX.

Unfortunately she doesn't. If it wasn't for this job, she'd be a femcel nobody. Instead, she's just a femcel.

>>11600918
Luna is a delicious hag and has tiddies

>>11594006
>I cannot, for the life of me, think of someone more pathetic and pitiful than not helping someone in dire need just because she has a boyfriend.

Gachikois spend more time and money for the illusion of the GFE.

Break that illusion and they leave.

She can still get fans now. But she'll have to rely on being entertaining instead of peddling the GFE.

>>11595401
>what's your endgame here?
Saving Matsuri

>>11603471
Everybody wants to save matsuri. But nobody is asking what constitutes matsuri being "saved".
Is it when she's a top holo?
Is it when she stop lusting over people who don't like her?
Is it when she's cured of her bipolar behavior?
What is a saved matulli?

>>11604975
When she's doing better than she currently is I suppose, but talking about it on fucking /vt/ of all places isn't going to solve anything. It's a way for concernfags to vent about their concerns with no action actually taken.

>>11604975
Personally I think Matsuri just needs to permanently step away from the public eye. Having any amount of fame does absolutely awful things to some people and Matsuri is one of those people.

>>11605573
>Personally I think Matsuri just needs to permanently step away from the public eye.
Honestly? This is the best course of action for Matsuri's mental help.

>>11601778
How would she be a femcel with a bf? Or do you mean the mindset and not literally? Because that would make a lot more sense

>>11582110
You know what would be best for her situation and save her of her problems?

>>11604975
Getting her numbers and respect back + not being mopey and sad on twitter.

Basically she would have to go and disavow za hando I think but if she's way too proud to do that (as evidenced by the middle finger on her roomate twitter banner) I don't think she really wants to do what would need to be done to get some of her old fans back.

>>11607643
She thinks of having an oshi as an all or nothing deal. I don't know what she needs or what can make her happy but I can say her trajectory doesn't fill me with confidence. I think moving on from the entire industry is a good step but I don't think she has the educational background or support system in place for that. Good will can go a long way with the piggy banks she still has. Maybe sincerity and good faith without going multiple directions every time she thinks is the right idea.

>>11582110
>>11607602
I hate these pictures. Matsuri isn’t the type of girl who would resort to suicide to get what they want.

>>11595196
Man, that's just tragic. I wonder what happened between the two. And even if Luna is willing to repair the ship, how would she go about doing it now that Subaru is in the picture.

>>11600622
that's not how it works JOBLESSChama...
if someone pays 100% of their tax then they must be the most financially stupid person in the world because you could get tax deductions for lot of shits.
Also, 33% tax bracket does not mean 33% on whole income but only 33% on income that exceeds the lower brackets...

>>11600622
Imagine writing so much to be wrong.
You guys can't fathom how much money they earn. Mishiro lives confortably with less than 200k subs.

>>11595196
Sad

>>11609002
You can have more than one friend. It's still pretty sad but Matsuri tends to want things she can't have.

>>11609150
The standard deduction will beat out itemizing your deductions 95% of the time. Unless you have like 6 kids and 2 houses.

>>11607533
Mindset

>>11582285
Based

>>11582110
Matsuri is one of the easier ones to actually find, get close to and eventually get in a relationship with.
I'm genuinely being serious, she'll bite any hit of attention from a decently attractive man any time of the day.

Honestly most people at the end of the day don't give a shit about her rrats. If she was entertaining people would still watch. Fauana / Mumei are proof of this. Shes just boring and content with how shes doing so her content won't change much going forward. Haachama seems like the only Gen 1 member with some fire and fight left in her to improve as a streamer.

>>11618114
Matsuri isn’t that shallow.

>>11582110
Be Japanese and work for cover.

>>11620361
Oh anon...

>>11618114
Until she gets bored and "finds herself" chasing some streamer, male or female. Face it, only meds and self reflection can save her, not us channers.

>>11622657
It’s true…

>>11618114
>Matsuri is one of the easier ones to actually find, get close to and eventually get in a relationship with
Easier said than done.

>>11608978
>Matsuri isn’t the type of girl who would resort to suicide to get what they want.
Oh anon... Matsuri is that type of girl.

Matsuri has not only embraced her mental illness, but also loves the idea of becoming a "landmine woman". She will 100% castrate you, kill you and then kill herself

>>11582110
>She could have been the superstar of Hololive right now
Nah. Even in the early days, she was the right hand of FBK. Never the top.

huh? what's her problem? what did she lie about? is she not doing okay?

>>11595196
Jesus... this is just... awful.
And looking from Luna's perspective this must sound intrusive and unhinged.
It's horrible all around.

>>11616964
If Matuli was not a menhera maybe. But something tells me she would not be happy sharing Luna with Subaru even in a fake yuribait context.

>>11628510
Has she ever been okay?

>>11630146
She really seems like the type to cheat when it's for the taking but would have a violent fit if someone cheated on her.

>>11630578
When she was a child.

>>11582285
You're so cruel her life was in danger !

>>11582110
I like how this topic turn into a general

>>11594006
>think of someone more pathetic and pitiful than not helping someone in dire need just because she has a boyfriend
Congrats you're doing what her boyfriend should be doing without getting any of the benefits of being a boyfriend
I know this is bait fuck off

>>11631781
People really want to save Matsuri.

>>11594006
a man giving money to women in relationships for LITERALLY NO BENEFIT to himself is aberrant, unnatural behavior

>>11631881
Helping a woman while her boyfriend is fucking up her life is the free cuckhold state

>>11630977
Matsuri gets really jealous if Hoshikawa collabs and starts to flirt. Pretty funny that the girl that flirts with every living thing gets jealous whenever her crush does that with others.

>>11636562
Why is Matsuri such a yandere?

>>11608978
I wouldn't be surprised if Luna dropped her because she kept threatening self harm.

>>11630977
Self-esteem/emotional attachment issues that were never fully worked out? I still hope this is just the character she plays.

>>11609805
During the room review stream with Bae Mori casually remarked how she's gonna buy an Aeron chair. Those things cost 1500$, with another 150$ for a headrest. And that's just a chair.

They are all rich.

Such is the fate of an Apex addicted faggot who literally can't even play apex. Thousands of hours of apex streams and yet Zero improvement. Forever remaining and remembered as an untalented, below decent apex faggot. The only thing that can save matsuli is GFE pandering. but she fails at that too, Unfortunately. I miss old matsuli bros. Early 2020 festival was my obsession. Pain.

How do we find Matsuri a girlfriend who's patient and can put up with all her problems? Surely she'll slowly heal her heart.

give festival an equal menhera to outmenhera eachother, or a dom

>>11640489
Wouldn't someone submissive work?

>>11642284
No, then she would abuse them.

>>11582843
OH NO, BROS WHY ARE THERE BLACK HELICOPTERS OUTSIDE MY HOUSE!? AIIE-!!!

>>11640157
She needs to stop larping as a lesbian, it's a huge part of the reason her mind is in the state it's in right now.

>>11594006
Eww someone shoot this simp in his face or Im gonna do it

>>11640489
>give festival an equal menhera to outmenhera eachother
She already had that. Her mother. And festival outmenhera her when she was a teen by trying to kill her.

>>11582110

Is a false-flagging Matsuri concern thread supposed to be the new Matsuri general? Like Lamy Transformation Fetish is the Lamy general?

What's going on?

>>11582285
Based

>>11639033
Sakura Miko streams once a week on twitch earned $117k on twitch for the past 9ish months. Imagine what she's making on youtube too. I think a lot of top holomems are way richer than we think.

>>11648921
>What's going on?
We're trying to save Matsuri.

>>11582110
its too late
too much exposure to internet drives everyone insane, and women much faster

there is no known cure

>>11649285
what's her cut from that though?

>>11595196
My fucking sides. I needed a good laugh so thanks.

>>11651801
How can you laugh at a poor girl's delusions?

>>11654712
Because I think Festival is a shitty person. She has admitted to purposely making her friends feel uncomfortable just to see how much she can get away with.

>>11655792
Anon, she needs help and all you can think of is kicking her while she’s down?

>>11596063
I hate "people" like you more than any rrat poster. And I can guarantee we're a majority on 4ch, you plebbit censorship cocksucker

>>11658701
Fuck off

>>11659229
Dilate

>>11650491
The Industrial revolution and its consequenceschama...

>>11582110

I was wondering which jp holo was first en route of unironically getting her own cow thread. Matsuri and her band of idiots arent the only ones in the competition but they certainly have a leg up.

>>11662842
Never forget Matsurisu have alt twitter accounts to have menhera attacks

I wonder if the guy who had his menhera sex night told more about the experience, like positions and how loud is Matsuri when she's having an orgasm. Then someone could make a doujin and at the first page write "based on true events"
Fuck the flu for denying comiket

>>11586823
He was also on a lot of drugs.

>>11648468
Go on.

>>11659851
leave civilization or never post again.

>>11595196
Someone put Matuli out of her misery, onegai

>>11629618
>And looking from Luna's perspective this must sound intrusive and unhinged
How is this intrusive and unhinged?

>>11668582
We need to save her. Not put her down like a dog.

>>11670455
Publicly exclaiming that getting a call from Luna is only something in Matsuri's fantasies. It makes Luna look like a bitch to starve Matsuri of even normal interactions.

>>11671832
well, Luna is a bitch though

Festival is Japanese Kiara

>>11671892
This. People are whitewashing Luna’s actions.

>>11582110
You cannot save a NTR girl that betrays you.

>>11674630
>want to get off of Matsuri's emotional rollercoaster and history of insincerity
>doing anything wrong
No. Luna is a saint. If the same things keep happening to Matsuri then it isn't everyone else's fault.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA L-L-OW VIEWERSHIP?! S-SAAAAAAAVE ME /VT/MAN

>>11675428
but Matsuri was the only person who cared about Luna when she joined Hololive.

>>11648468
It's absurd that that even occurred. Was there any context to it?

>>11655792
sauce for her saying this?

Matsuri is in a great place right now. She still has a decently sized fan base full of cucks and saviorfags that will white knight whatever she does.

>>11677356
>Was there any context to it?
Rrats say it was because the mother tried to separate Matsuri and her little brother.

>>11677500
Someone being in a good position does not mean that that position is good for them.

>>11644574
I think her being "lesbian" is one of the reasons she's messed up. Never met a mentally stable "lesbian" in my whole life.

matsuri's fine. it's twitter kayfabe.

>>11675428
Luna is a saint for leaving her sick friend behind instead of helping her?

>>11679904
Big if true. The mother shouldn't have gotten in Matsuri's way in loving her little brother.

>>11680246
I thought Matsuri was just playing pretend lesbian?

>>11686975
Maybe she was playing pretend for Luna but not for Hoshikawa. Matsuri genuinely loved her and was heartbroken when Hoshikawa didn't return her feelings.

>>11689438
>Hoshikawa didn't return her feelings.
Yeah, no shit. Hoshikawa is straight and has feelings for Kanae

>>11682191
Luna is a saint for not cutting Matsuri out of her life sooner.

>>11689438
Matsuri is not in love with Hoshikawa, she's in love with an idealised image of Hoshikawa. She is so deluded that she actually believes Hoshikawa has no flaws and makes no mistakes.
Even if Hoshikawa was 100% lesbian, she will easily choose Gundo or Haato over Matsuri.

>>11692189
>she's in love with an idealised image of Hoshikawa.
This is true.

>>11691260
Didn't she kiss the teacher bitch from Niji? I forgot her name

>>11692189
So what was with her making out with Gundo, I thought she was straight

>>11694710
That was nothing more than yuri bait.

I just think Matsuri is very unprofessional. There was no need to air her grievance with Haachama over Haachama not showing up to Matsuri's live.

>>11696440
Don’t try to whitewash Haachama. She was the one at fault for promising Matsuri that she would be in her stream only to ghost her during the day of the stream.

>>11695593
Watching it was really weird, I found it kinda gross how Gundou was basically trying to change her sexuality by forcing herself on her

>>11697274
It should have just been handle in private. Not excusing Haachama.

>>11582285
unfathomably based

>>11698236
yeah but i can understand why she spazzed about it and tossed it to twitter instead of letting it rattle around in her head. it would've drove her crazy if she had to keep it to herself. er, crazier.

>>11680755
>matsuri's fine.
But she isn’t. She’s sick in the head.

>>11694710
>>11691260
>>11698087
You know, Hoshikawa said like a year ago that she's bisexual and is currently into Deron
Her rejecting Matsuri has less to do with being het and more with Matsuri being... Matsuri

>>11709778
Oh, I heard from someone else that she was straight, guess that was just misinfo

>>11631881
It’s not bait. It’s doing the right thing and saving a young woman from herself. Stop being such a cynical person and do something good in your life.