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>> No.11387105

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>> No.11387160

>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Revea

>> No.11387289

Oh hey, turns out Kronii is up and covering for her genmates, too bad its a shit game she picked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGVWUzHWZBw

>> No.11387327

I don't get why the suits at Cover are not considering ES market already. It's currently an untapped goldmine. There is only Nimu there conquering the whole field without any big competitors at all. And that girl is getting stupidly high view numbers.

>> No.11387372

>>11387289
People will watch anyway. Horror games are a buff for Hololive girls.

>> No.11387428

>>11387327
i don't know anything about spanish speaking vtubers, just nimu because she's been posted in this thread before. do you think they would have a good enough pool of potential new girls for a spanish branch?

>> No.11387475

>>11387289
Marine got 30k playing that. It's the first time clock girl is playing horror. So it can break 15k I think.

>> No.11387495

>>11387327
> Monopoly currency

>> No.11387532

>>11387327
Ame just needs to loosen up some more.

>> No.11387567

>>11387428
The biggest issue with entering the ES market is the sheer and utter cancer it would invite into the rest of the holomember chats.
You think EOP and SEAniggers are bad? You ain't seen nothin' pal. Another issue is that ES is a high viewcount low value market. Lots of eyes, not a lot of cash.
Also, I wonder if Gura's stream will count as one or two, since technically she's got both a new name and thumbnail for this second stream.

>> No.11387611

>>11386954 (Split thread)

>> No.11387612

So 2 Gura streams with 20k + today. Hololive domination in the chart for today? Does Niji have any special streams planned for later?

>> No.11387639
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NijiEN: 8820
INCLINING

>> No.11387656

>>11387567
It will count as two I think. I remember kuzuha stream on CR cup tourney final day being counted as two. So this will be too then.

>> No.11387658

>>11387611
That one was first. Idk, why people flocked here

>> No.11387712

>>11387639
So this must be how Gura feels seeing other HoloEN not get at least 10k consistently

>> No.11387781

>>11387428
Spics FUCKING LOVE drama.
That's why.

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11387786

Today's superchats

>> No.11387806

>>11387658
Sorry, I like the non-chart OPs more, it feels.....right somehow.
>>11387639
Well, its certainly a positive the total number of views is up, but oh those triple digit numbers....it hurts to look at.

>> No.11387882

>>11387475
IRyS
>3.5k avg / 5.6k peak
Baelz
>3.6k avg / 5.6k peak

Kronii will get 10k

>> No.11387890

>>11387639
Wave 3 killed by Wave 2.

>> No.11387928

>>11387882
Mori had 15k iirc.

>> No.11387966

>>11387786
>Kanae 14k
Pathetic

>> No.11387999

>>11387786
>$14k
A good showing but he's usually a better earner than that.
>>11387639
Their regular viewer base expanded. It seems to benefit one liver though. Maybe Selen will get back above 2k for monthly averages.

>> No.11388014

The holly 4 of holo:

1. Pekora
2. Marine
3. Gura
4. Miko

>> No.11388046
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>>11387806
Just 5 more waves.

>> No.11388083

>>11387928
I don't remember Mori playing this game

>> No.11388092

>>11387327
Just look at Wactor or even Reimu right now for why the ES market is worthless
Reimu is doing her superchat opening stream right now and she has only done $500 so far, most of which coming from a few akas in non-ES currencies
And that's with her trying to distance herself from that market by almost never speaking in spanish

>> No.11388123

>>11387639
Damn, those 3 digit viewerships hurt to see. I think it's time for us to ask the question if NijiEn Wave 3 even has a fucking debut buff because I refuse to believe that they can actually get lower numbers than this.

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>>11387966
>>11387999
this one made more but it's also longer, i wonder if that affected it

>> No.11388167

>>11387327
Any Mexicans high enough on the socio-economic ladder to be worth going after already speak English. Catering to them in their native language will get more views but it will be diminishing returns in terms of revenue. They might still do it someday but it's not exactly an untapped goldmine or something like that.

>> No.11388191

>>11387999
Selen has been 2.5k+ median peak since debut what are you talking about? if anything this might push her to 3k+

>> No.11388208

>>11388083
She did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBEC72lfNU8

>> No.11388207

>>11388083
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/pBEC72lfNU8
It's this one anon.

>> No.11388225

>>11388191
No, her average was at 1950~ for September.

>> No.11388278

>>11387786
Ollie only got 2k for her 6 hour birthday stream? Or is this something to do with cutoff times?

>> No.11388285

>>11387786
There's Luto again!! An absolute superchat monster based on the viewership she gets.

>> No.11388381

>>11388207
>>11388208

I got confused with Little Nightmares. This is wrong too >>11387882

>> No.11388456

>>11388278
$2,427

>> No.11388470
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>>11388225
can I get a source for this? all I have is peak median

>> No.11388497

>>11387966
>>11387999
How do we save him?

>> No.11388515

>>11388278
her birthday countdown have more SCs, like 5k+?

>> No.11388517

>>11388497
retirement and become my stay at home wife

>> No.11388523

>>11388278
she already got 6k yesterday

>> No.11388530

>>11387882
IRyS nor Bae played this game? What are you talking about?

>> No.11388547

>>11388278
No, that's correct. She also did a "Birthday Countdown" stream and got 6kish? for that, so her earnings split across those two streams instead of just the Totsu (countdown was the day before)

>> No.11388586

>>11388014
I'd put Gura ahead of Marine based on her VOD views and song views. Other than that small adjustment the members are correct.

>> No.11388589

>>11388497
Remind him to mention needing to buy something next time he does a special stream.
That usually sparks a SC train.

>> No.11388597

>>11387882
Irys got 9.2k you lying piece of shit.

>> No.11388639

>>11388285
The power of Nacho-mama + Cunny.
If Niji's all Male Wave doesn't pan out, they should make an all cunny wave with models made by Nacho

>> No.11388647

>>11388381
OH yea, those numbers are little nightmares, no wonder they looked familiar.
>>11388530
As the anon said, goof'd and was thinking little nightmares. IRyS did play Night Delivery, but I don't think Bae has played it.

>> No.11388658

>>11388530
Irys did play this game but she actually got 9.2k.
https://playboard.co/en/video/INeroWWrGDE

>> No.11388670

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT25IK082PY King playing LoL

>> No.11388678

It seems a lot of people here underestimate ES market. I decided to go to r/holostatistics and see their SC currency. It looks like a lot ES currencies are in maybe 4th or 5th place. Not bad at all to garner such disdain.

>> No.11388689

>>11388530
>>11388597
Chill guys, he already said he got it mixed up with Little Nightmares
>>11388381

Night Delivery is one of the buff-iest horror games you can play in 1 sitting, despite being a terrible game.

>> No.11388734

>>11388689
Isn't that the one with the locker "jumpscare".

>> No.11388767

>>11388670
I would be surprised if he beats 20k.
It's been ages since he last played it, but his LoL numbers were in the 15-20k range before.
That's before saying how whack this timeslot is for JPs. (Noon on a thursday)

>> No.11388790

>>11388734
No, that was the Convenience Store game

Night Delivery has the Elevator jumpscare tho

>> No.11388810

>>11388734
That's convenience store, which Ame played more than a year ago.
Night Delivery is the shit one with one jumpstare in the elevator.

>> No.11388846

Any 25k+ programs during JP prime time?
Gura just hit 26.3k playing MC randomly.

>> No.11388878

>>11387966
>>11387999
Eh, it's a decent enough figure for a simple outfit reveal and a pretty underwhelming one at that, bear in mind he ended the stream immediately after the reveal, it was over in less than 40 minutes
>>11388285
I mean yeah she's doing really good for a chuuba of her size but still I'm pretty sure $1,028 is the lowest number I've ever seen make this chart, it was a very weak day overall

>> No.11388881

>>11388670
he's just dicking around with the new champ for the moment but this will be under 20k for sure
the usual suspects in this thread will be happy stocking up their screenshot folder for bait i guess

>> No.11388893

>>11387327
twitch earning

さくらみこ(sakuramiko)
usd 117921.23

NimuVT
usd 62411.93

>> No.11388964

>>11388678
Most of the ES donations are on non ES streams
You get nothing except a SEA tier chat if you appeal directly to their language

>> No.11388975

>>11388893
Kek.

>> No.11389015

>>11388893
>comparing her to like the 3rd biggest vtuber in the world.
>>11388470
Sorry, I was looking at Obsydia's as a whole.

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1 hour away now, predictions?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmt3s-32wTA

>> No.11389069

>>11388678
The biggest issue with that though is those who are watching EN are likely Middle/upper middle+ class, so those with money. With a primary ES speaker, you're likely getting far more lower middle/middle class that doesn't have nearly the same level of disposable income, and thus not nearly the same amount of cash to be earned.

>> No.11389113

>>11388586
Marine has higher CCV and higher SC.

>>11388846
You mean last night? SMOK collab got 34k and Miko(shiraken MC collab) got 35k+. And good god don't act as if MC is not a buff game, saying she got it by playing MC randomly doesn't make that number special.

>> No.11389127

Does anyone here remember what the average median for Senzawa was back then?

>> No.11389132

>>11389067
10-20k?
Uto's streaming schedule is so inconsistent that I've lost track of what her numbers are.

>> No.11389214

>>11389127
<1000 most of the time.
She only broke 1000 in her last stream.
https://twitchtracker.com/senzawa/statistics

Comparing Gura and Senzawa is like light and day tho.
She's like 100x better now as a streamer.

>> No.11389257

>>11389127
In twitch? Someone posted that like 2 threads ago right. I do remember seeing average of 300+ and peak of 1.2k+

>> No.11389411

>>11389113
Hey Miko hit 31k playing some shitty motorbike racing game randomly during JP primetime

>> No.11389423

>>11389127
I think we only need to consider her short videos VOD because she did not start as a streamer. What is her avg VOD including privated/deleted videos?

>> No.11389428

>>11389067
>jp chuuna doing a major event
>not doing it during jp primetime

>> No.11389485

>>11389067
where did uto live?
doesn't it better to do this kind of thing in jp primetime?

>> No.11389522

>>11389067
Predictions for /vt/ numbers: people making 4-5 threads shitting on hololive 3D using Uto as bait

>> No.11389606

>>11389428
>>11389485
Does she gain more JP fans recently?
She had more overseas fans in the beginning.

>> No.11389616

>>11389428
>>11389485
Weren't most of her viewers EOP from her being Ame's sister?
No idea if they still watch her but she was going hard into pandering to them before

>> No.11389628

>>11387882
>>11388658
>>11387928
Kronii is a tier higher than bae and irys. Against Mori she somehow gets the lead but since a ton of holos alreayd played it then 15k will be hard to reach.

>> No.11389677

>>11389428
>>11389485
She has been trying to cultivate more of a JP audience but they're still 90%+ EOPs

>> No.11389723

I had a dream last night imagining nijiEN getting 3D debuts. The stream starts at 9pm jst, and Selen, the most popular nijiEN at the time overtaking the male nijiEN in popularity is starting. SCs are rolling in, but all I see is reds from US dollars, Euros, Canadian dollars and some green and yellows from Yen. It all adds only to $9-12k in the end. It was a so-so performance from Selen. Not dancing nor singing. A quiz show from Kuzuha and Kanae. I questioned, "Where is the promised payday of 3D debuts? Don't livers earn $20k+ from this. This is her big break. The wait after 2 long years. The grind for her was unreal to reach 5k median. Do they not understand the blue haha dragon?". Then, it all hit me. They aren't exactly popular nor appealing to the common niji tourists which is the Japanese. They wouldn't care for her nor support her. It's all coming down.

Fast forward a day later, I saw Selen at the Anykara's office. Riku stands infront of her and hands over her an envelope of her salary from the 3D debut. He explained that due to production costs of the 3D and travel cost, we'll have to cut most of the SC profits so this is what's left for you. Selen received the envelope and counted the money inside it. "Only $2000? My big break only amounts to this much? I earn more from this by milking my gachis on streams. This is pathetic. I should've joined EN4." Selen tries to slap Riku, but Riku caught her wrist. He whispered, "I own you. Don't forget that."

>> No.11389946

>>11389723
Pretty sure we have a writing prompt thread in this board, but I'm sure it isn't this one

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>>11389723

>> No.11390091

>>11389723
tldr NijiEN earns less SCs on 3D debuts than their JP branch

Will this be true in the future?

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tiktok

>> No.11390154

>>11390091
*looks at NijiEN viewership*
Gee I dunno anon

>> No.11390289

I do wonder if Valkyrae experienced any of this bullshitry on hololive streams

>> No.11390294

>>11390091
>>11390154
Tomoe usually has <3k viewers on her streams but she earnt more than $120k on her 3d debut. It depends on how well they could gachis

>> No.11390619

anyone think pegor's next outfit could beat gura's record? after seeing damn noel of all people getting 100k i dont think its impossible. especially if people and other holos hype it up on twitter

>> No.11390664

>>11390619
Possible, long-awaited and very well known to EOPs

>> No.11390678

>>11390619
Not really.

>> No.11390706
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>Reimu can be SC'ed now
>300 views
>$500 earnt in an hour and half
I want to laught at the ghost, but it feels pitiful

>> No.11390770

>>11390121
>doesnt stream on jp prime time anymore
>asking randoms to play apex
>playing lol now
is he going trough a despression arc or someting?

>> No.11390820

>>11387656
But Gura has two streams due to tech issue, imagine she has 3 30k+ streams with Shion because she restarts them.
Should we just count the highest one?

>> No.11390840

>>11390706
they monetized already?

>> No.11390890

>>11390706
That’s depressing. How much did they make through streamlabs?

>> No.11390915

>>11387656
That was because there was a 2 hour break and it was the afterparty stream.

In today's case, it's the same stream that just got susan-ed.
Manual trackers won't count it as 2 entries, but bot trackers will do it since they only count entries on Holostats.

>> No.11390951

>>11390619
Probably won't beat Gura's record but she can definitely beat Noel's

>> No.11390953

>>11390706
Doing this during Selen's big event really hurt her, she already explained she didn't have any other time slot to put it on but that's also on her for filling her schedule so much

>> No.11391022

>>11390294
Tomoe is not like NijiEN she attracts a bunch of lesbians and lonely rich ojiichans.

>> No.11391024

>>11390953
>she already explained she didn't have any other time slot
couldnt she do it the next day?

>> No.11391064

>>11390289
What bullshitry?

>> No.11391068

This is how i see pekora's number

Pekora is by far the highest floor in all hololive but her peak is only at high-mid(methinks marine has higher peak than her)

Gura on the other hand has a lower floor than pekora but by far the highest peak in all hololive

>> No.11391081

>>11390770
He's practicing for his solo concert.

>> No.11391091

>>11390706
the 'donation' reading hurt their momentum

>> No.11391103

>>11390706
Are we really going to complain about a person earning $500 for 1 hours worth of work

>> No.11391159

>>11391064
Buffering in the middle of it (recent case, Flare's stream last night)

>> No.11391161

>>11390706
Millie's arrogance got through her huh. She didn't want to use Matsuri's route and went straight for Ollie. She has large enough profile to beat Mumei into submission for EN 2 audition. This is why you don't join the company to simp. You might get a chance to talk and play with Kanae, but he'll just ghost you later. Now she's stuck with the company until her contract expires.

>> No.11391179

>>11390619
>after seeing damn noel of all people getting 100k
Noel is incredibly strong during events and always has been, newfag-kun

>> No.11391196

>>11391064
CCV culling resulting in nonsense like polls having 100% engagement in under 5 minutes.
I'd say it would be less due to the fact that things like amongus have less tabbing out and just listening, but it's hard to say since YT is so opaque wrt these things.

>> No.11391218

>>11390706
I mean 500 bucks is still more money than random 2views, but you gotta wonder if they're not looking at the other side of the fence and asking themselves if that could've been them.

>> No.11391291

>>11391196
She’s YouTube’s poster girl, you bet your ass they don’t mess with her numbers.

>> No.11391320

>>11388893
goddamn, miko making bank. Its been less than a year since she opened the twitch account right?

>> No.11391372

>>11391161
Are you implying witch didn't audition for EN2? Lol, she most likely got filtered and failed

>> No.11391377

>>11391103
It's her first monetization stream.

>> No.11391417

>>11389411
Have home 3D to play racing games is illegal

>> No.11391478

>>11391320
>117 hours streamed
JP girls have free money lying in their market, locals love them amazon prime

>> No.11391481

>>11391068
Hard to say for sure when Pekora hasn't done a 3D stream or a costume stream in a longgggggggg time.

In retrospect, imagine if Pekora had a 3D live for her anniversary, 1 mil celebration, and bday like her genmates.
She did Pekomom for her 1 mil celebration, a highlight video reaction stream for her anniversary and a surprisingly low 3D for her bday that is privated now.
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/vpsdqgEi_JM

>> No.11391489

>>11391024
She's already doing 2 streams tomorrow and the one at this timeframe she had already promised it would be a long one
Then another 2 streams on Friday

>> No.11391493

>>11391377
Ah shit. Got it. How much did the others get?

>> No.11391494

>>11391103
Yes, because the first monetization stream is a sacred ritual, a virginity meant to be protected for the highest bidder of money even more so after joining the second most prominent vtuber company in the world. But she ended up earning only $500. Pathetic. Her competitors earns $10k+ for their first monetization with one earning more than $45k and this is all she got.

>> No.11391526

king is at 12k 1 hour in..

>> No.11391530

>>11391161
Didn’t Millie say she joined cause of Elira? She also dropped all pretense and straight up said she and Enna were friends before Nijisanji.
I remember yesterday she publicly said that Elira rejected a collab from her.
>>11391372
Moona tried to convince her to join ID is something that keeps getting spread on the board. No clue if it’s anywhere near true.

>> No.11391534

>>11391372
The accent probably fucked her over. Her singing also isn't a strong enough charm point either.

>> No.11391540

>>11391103
Do we have any info on the superchat is cut in Niji like the Holos? How much does Anycolor take?

>> No.11391635

>>11391530
>>11391372
Not millie, shit, I meant Reimu. Her past life was a Kanae simp. How did I get Millie and Reimu mixed up.

>> No.11391676

>>11391291
Heh yea...
Looking at her average, she actually ranks BELOW gura for Livestreaming on Playboard (18k avg vs 21k), but Valkyrae has the major advantage of being far more normie friendly.

>> No.11391678

>>11391530
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC8DJH_i8s0
She didn't audition. SHE WAS STRAIGHT UP INVITED.
Granted, we don't know how much pull any of the Gen 1 IDs have, but given all three of them wanted her in, she could have had a decent chance.

>> No.11391680

>>11391494
Don't compare anyone to Kronii. She's a monster. Balls got about 11k, that's not great but she earned $30k in the month since so maybe there is an upside.

>> No.11391691

>>11391103
She isn't keeping all the money
YouTube takes 30% and Nijisanji receives $350
Japan's government takes another 30% from taxes over the revenue. The remaining ~$250 will be used to pay for cost with office, staff, ads, the streamer and so forth

>> No.11391700

>>11391526
LoL isn't popular in Japan and it's 1pm on a thurs.
It's pretty funny that Pokemon Unite is more popular than it as a streaming game.

>> No.11391715

>>11391068
jops have constantly been asking where pekora's new outfit is though. its definitely highly anticipated

>> No.11391720

>>11390706
When do the others start SC?

>> No.11391791

>>11390770
>popular enough to not be bounded by prime time
>making new friends and helping other indies grow
>playing his favorite moba

>> No.11391818

>>11391715
It is. But like i said her peak isn't the highest in hololive.

>> No.11391842

>>11391720
Just gotta wait for it, Reimu's stream has "SUPER" in it so I had to check. Was surprising that she got in early. Council waited almost 3-4 weeks before starting their monetization stream and spaced stream for one member each week.

>> No.11391855

>>11391791
>making new friends and helping other indies grow
>forgetting he has 2view colleagues to prioritize

>> No.11391871

>>11391678
I used to say NijiEN was a better ticket then HoloID but now I'm not so sure. I wonder how much it was a joke and how much of it was real. Hololive is known to just hire friends.

I'm not sure where the idea that she'd be Mumei comes from.

>> No.11391875

>>11391678
>Decent chance
No, because she's not ID. Why are people taking this seriously

>> No.11391893

>>11391691
So... she would basically make nothing from $500?
Any source on the Niji cut other than your ass
Anyways, it went up to $620 now from one rainbow but she has basically stopped receiving donations already

>> No.11391900

>>11391635
Don't worry anon. I have issues remembering reimu and Enna (had to look them up just now). Not sure why since I had no problem remembering everyone from Lazulight and Obsydia, but for this wave the only ones I can remember consistently are Millie because Lyrica and Nina because of all the bait-threads

>> No.11391910

Am I the only one thinking Nina will make the most SC for her Gen?

>> No.11391937

>>11391678
Makes me wonder if she will regret rejecting Hololive.
I know it’s still the ID branch but look at Ollie.

>> No.11391946

>>11391678
She literally said she said no because she's not ID and doesn't speak the language.
Maybe if it was HoloSEA, but it is pretty BS to hire a Flip for HoloID.

>>11391530
Millie and Enna were really close friends with Elira and Pomu way before NijiEN.
Collab with Pomu and Elira:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ZCv1Hg4xY

Millie and Enna's Bday gift for Elira:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC0clKVkJS4

>> No.11391956

>>11391910
Maybe. Cause it would be ridiculously ironic if she did.

>> No.11391959

>>11391478
Makes me wonder what they're getting from Youtube since Miko and Pekora know how much they make on twitch.

>> No.11392047

>>11391493
Enna got $840

>> No.11392074

>>11391946
And Nijifags give Holofags shit for nepotism kek
NijiEN is full of mostly the same friend circle.

>> No.11392092

>>11391946
I don't see how that's an issue though? If management would be up for it, then so be it.
Heck, the HoloID girls don't even speak Indonesian most of the time.

>> No.11392100

>>11391910
She's going for the reddit audience with all her meme pandering, which is known to pay well on big events so I wouldn't be surprised
Also, Reimu might be an exception but she's not setting a very high bar for her gen

>> No.11392115

>>11391937
What is there to regret?
She wouldn't have made it in since she's not ID and Cover knows casting a Flip for HoloID is asking for a shitstorm of epic proportions.
Who knows when EN3 will happen and she won't be guaranteed to get in with her bffs (Enna, Elira).

>> No.11392141

>>11391875
It adds some theater to the whole ordeal. It makes for a better story if Millie shunned Hololive in favor of NijiEN.

>> No.11392151

>>11391946
Real game changer is cover rebranding HoloID to HoloSEA. But ID is already too deep in the shit, with all the logos, office and stuff.

>> No.11392160

>>11392100
Millie and Bird will be the ones to look out for. Nina might be the dark horse assuming people will be throwing money at her for the memes because she makes the virgins seethe

>> No.11392162

>>11391842
No, that's wrong wrong wrong.
Monetization was a little over a week for Council. MEMBERSHIP took longer, and the did it across a week and a halfish.

Here are COUNCIL monetization streams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oopPkDyBXcA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6YaBqHtkTU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztuyKI3yHj0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D5qzbehoM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D5qzbehoM4

>> No.11392172

>>11391534
>The accent probably fucked her over
I dunno man, I feel like Cover likes picking up girls with weird accents.

>> No.11392197
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11392197

The cat is pulling some strong numbers going into October after a couple months of reclining

>> No.11392205

>>11392047
Not even 1k? What's the hold up? Did they not advertise it properly? Or did doing donation readings as their first non-intro stream have a more negative effect than we thought?

>> No.11392230

>>11391893
NTA but it seems he's calculating it at $1k. No source for niji cut but most anon here say the holo cut is 50-50 after YT 30% cut.

>> No.11392293

>joins big corpo
>following stream is asking donation
Who likes that shit lmao

>> No.11392310

How did Obsydia and Lazu Light do for their first monetized streams? Ethyria isn't doing and parades and fanfare so maybe that's why the numbers are so low.

>> No.11392329

>>11392197
a lot of collabs within vshojo so it makes sense. I think they're trying to build up hype for next gen

>> No.11392389

>>11392205
The streams are labeled like regular ones. It wasn't announced. This feels so uneven. Make a big song and dance about early donations but then not give much warning that you're now monetized.

>> No.11392406

Gura (MC) and Mori (Monhun) are still ongoing and gonna overlap Kronii.
Is 15k still possible??

>> No.11392444

>Mori streams
>Gura barely affected
I just realized Mori streamed an hour later

>> No.11392461

>>11392197
They raid each other
Nothing surprise

>> No.11392482

>>11392406
5k waiting room. Prolly just shy of 10k at most

>> No.11392493

>>11392461
None of these numbers are from raids though and it wouldn't explain the jump after couple months of recline anyway...

>> No.11392505

>>11392461
COPE
O
P
E

>> No.11392508

>>11392092
>If management would be up for it, then so be it.
Management wouldn't be up for it anyways, but you don't see a problem with casting someone who doesn't know how to speak ID into HoloID?
How do you think the ID community will respond?

>> No.11392554

>>11392329
Their next gen is gonna be very important since it can solidify their spot as the 2nd biggest vtuber company in the west. A really good gen pretty much shuts the door on NijiEN and any other EN startups for the foreseeable future

>> No.11392589

>>11392508
Hana Macchia got into NijiID despite not speaking a lick of Indonesian nor is she even part Indonesian. Iirc she just studies there, and is one of the most popular Indonesian talents.
You're thinking too much into this.

>> No.11392616

>>11389067
damn I thought i was hearing things on this tab. Uot's debut is up.

>> No.11392642

>>11392589
Funniest thing is that she lied about being Indonesian on debut and got called out right away.

>> No.11392663

>>11392554
EN corps
>hololive
>vshojo
>c9
>nijisanji
>crunchy
>netflix
anything missed?

>> No.11392682
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>>11392310
Selen 3.5k
Petra 2.6k
Rosemi is a bit harder to gauge since she opened her monetization before the actual celebration stream

>> No.11392721
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>>11392461
Above is the cat stream from today

Below is a smaller vshojo getting big numbers from a raid

>> No.11392807

>>11392721
Yea, pink cat isn't being raised, but she has been hosting collabs ok her channel which does boost her numbers a bit.

>> No.11392845

>>11392663
Aside from the real small ones like Tsunderia, Prism pro, etc. Also, I still wonder if we can even consider Netflix and CR as competition for Holo and other Chuuba companies since they're more like mascots than actual VTubers.

>> No.11392869

>>11391893
They can't share this information so there's no source

Half of the money lost to the government and YouTube, that's a fact
Running a business isn't cheap so from the remaining $310 the streamer for sure isn't getting more than 50%, my optimistic GUESS would be something between 15% to 20% ($46 to $62)

>> No.11392872

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zmt3s-32wTA

Surprising how an Indie ride off of Ame's success by being her sister

>> No.11392923

>>11392293
IRyS did that too

>> No.11392958

>>11392872
She also rode the Hololive hype train by squatting on Hololive related metatags. People wouldn't have known about her if she wasn't suddenly recommended by the Youtube Algo.
I remember when she would always get recommended whenever you click a Hololive related video/clip

>> No.11392969

So whats with Kuzuha's numbers? APEXfags ain't loyal.
>>11392872
"Indie"

>> No.11393014

>>11392872
>>11392958
the very thing yagoo feared the most according to interviews....

>> No.11393040

>>11392872
I wonder if she's sponsored, this shit is expensive for an indie, including the studio cost. I like how she's passionate to even have 3D

>> No.11393069

>>11390770
He and Kanae have supposedly been burnt out on APEX for awhile now despite still playing it

>> No.11393116

>>11393014
Yagoo was talking specifically about her without saying her name.
It was pretty obvious people would hire the same artist so they could be loosely associated with a successful Holo.

>> No.11393149

>>11393069
>burnt out
surprise!

>> No.11393163

>>11392969
He's graduating soon

>> No.11393177

>>11393116
Luto is the same

>> No.11393194

>>11391893
NTA, but Shirayuki talked about it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-H5HkM3raA&t=8078s
After YT and Niji's cuts, she gets around 30% of the SC (I don't know how taxes are applied, though, too lazy to look JP laws up). She also said Niji takes a 50/50 cut on Voice Packs (after Booth takes their small cut) in that same stream (Ichikara confirmed it before as well)

>> No.11393266

>>11393177
Not really her fault but company's, they are nice based from the nachofam collab. the blonde girl is assertive though

>> No.11393302

>>11393040
When you think about the past. Its pretty crazy that 3Ds are seen as special now when back in the 4-kings era, you gotta have a 3D or else you're lower than a shitter/nobody. Same feeling with the change from videos to streaming.

>> No.11393308

>>11393116
i just think the initial watson fags were indecisive shits that jumped ship to her "sister" because she's a more pleasant and endearing amelia

>> No.11393345

>>11393149
It wasn't a surprise. People having been saying that for awhile like when they started playing Tarkov and shit. But APEX is APEX and they are Japanese.

>> No.11393407

>>11393069
>>11393149
I recall reading in the FPSfag thread that he said he didn't want to do tournaments but Shibuya Hal asked him to. Then he said he was done with Apex yet he did solo rank. I don't think he knows what to stream kek.

>> No.11393419

CCV
Niji 24.7k (12 streams)
HoloEN 36.4k (3 streams)

>> No.11393482

>>11388893
Miko opened her twitch account last December, streams 3-4 times a month just watching movies there, made 117k from it. I'm trying not to kneel, but before I noticed, I'm kneeling.

>> No.11393530

>>11393407
That was Kanae you mong. But you can't turn down being on a team with Haru and a legit male JP idol in CR Cup. Thank god they got Alelu as a coach too because Hal's a prideful retard.

>> No.11393556

>>11393482
Yea, it's been brought up a few times since the leak, but it definitely indicates that if she can make that much on Twitch, each of the girls with a decent amount of members is making fucking BANK on YT, on top of SCs and ad revenue.

>> No.11393557
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>>11388639
>If Niji's all Male Wave doesn't pan out, they should make an all cunny wave
wasnt it wave 3?>>11387639

>> No.11393626

>>11387786
BIG_Sana

>> No.11393682

>>11391700
Wasn't just more popular due to being new at the time? LoL could become big in Japan depending on if DFM can get anymore wins in Worlds. BELIEVE!

>> No.11393690

>>11393557
Nina and Reimu aren't even cunny

>> No.11393704

>>11387639
why is the ghost girl so low?

>> No.11393740

>>11393556
Wouldn’t be surprised if most of the JP girls are millionaires and the EN girls are either there or getting there.
The amount of sponsorships they get is pretty crazy, as well as promotional merch.
Ame/Gura and Kiara are all shilling gacha games this week for example.

>> No.11393763

>>11393690
This.

>> No.11393771

>niji boss sees 1m ccv on twitch LoL
>niji boss forces horse to stream LoL
>horse now overworked

>> No.11393912
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>This is king when he's not playing buff games

Turns out his fans are :
Tourneyfags + APEXfags + Fujos
And fujos are the only loyal ones

>> No.11393926

I wonder if NijiEn not really blowing up to the level of Hololive or even VShoujo will affect their next batch of applicants. Like if your an indie who's getting around 200-300 CCV, are you really going to give that up for basically just a x3 multiplier when you could try for Holo and get a x20 minimum with better prospects. Also, I wonder if Kronii's friends will try to apply since they technically have someone inside already that can refer them.

>> No.11393961

>>11393704
SC opening and marshmallow stream

>> No.11393968

Looks like Uto's got a stable 10k CCV for now

>> No.11394036

>>11393266
Wasn't Uto's model also commissioned by her shadow company though? Nabi doesn't take jobs from indies.

>> No.11394050

>>11393961
Ah, so it is earning time.

>> No.11394060

>>11393912
APEXfags are already known to not be loyal. Look at Aqua and the retards getting mad at her for running away from the solo Master challenge despite her being hit by Twitchfags from TW or CNs pretending to be TW. Look at Chihiro. APEX is the biggest game in JP right now and naturally has a big fanbase, which will usually have tons of shit people.

>> No.11394089

>>11393926
There are very very few indies can reliably pull 200-300 CCV per stream. Being part of a company means you get supports to get merchs out, too

>> No.11394122

>>11393926
It'll most definitely affect them. Especially the fact that it's the newest wave getting buttfucked by lower numbers. Imagine the next female wave debuts and they do even worse since Niji EN hasn't increased market cap. Why even bother at that point.

>> No.11394123

>>11394036
Silly anon, Uto is an indie.

>> No.11394172

>>11393926
Naw, there are enough people with just enough talent that are behind on rent or are on dole. Say what you want but getting into NijiEN means you get way more viewers that you ever did.

>> No.11394200

>>11394089
Niji hasn’t really done any merch for EN yet that I know of, other than a voice pack.

>> No.11394203

>>11394122
They're still expanding KR aren't there? Despite Bora being like the only decent draw. They'd have to hit NijiIN levels to be cancelled.

>> No.11394220

Ahem ahem. Clock girl has just mogged the king leech.

>> No.11394238

>>11393556
If I remember, Gura has had member polls with around 15k responses. That would give her a floor of $75k/month off memberships alone if we assume 100% participation rate at the lowest membership tier.

>> No.11394240

>>11393912
>Apex(fps)-retards can handle moba
pff

>> No.11394241

>>11387028
lol Kronii just referenced this meme on stream. Maybe she is /here/.

>> No.11394262

>>11394172
didn't work out that way for lyrica

>> No.11394277

>>11394036
Don't know, I haven't dug deep into her ever since debut. I actually detested and reported every post of her on r/ holo for being offtopic

Whoever is behind her did the correct strategy, underhanded regardless

>> No.11394311

>>11394220
King is fighting with both hands tied at his back wearing a blindfold bind on a wheelchair while he drank half a dozen bottles of alcohol today by playing LOL, cut him some slack.

>> No.11394319
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>>11393912
dont mind if i save this pic

>> No.11394323

>>11394241
it's literally a reddit meme

>> No.11394405

>Uto's shill segment
>merch
>album
>all those big names
How the fuck is she doing this as an indie? She must be loaded.

>> No.11394414

>>11394311
JP playing League is just horrible to watch, not even "bad entertaining" just horrible. I tried to watch Mememe's previous streams and its painful. I think it also has the same problem as Valo in that even if there is a collab there's not much interactions/banter like APEX.

>> No.11394434

>>11393912
>Forget about trannys
ngmi

>> No.11394441

the "king" is just an apexbabby
it's over

>> No.11394447

>>11394405
>indie
sure

>> No.11394449

>>11394405
>indie

>> No.11394454

Kronii 13.2k
King 12.1k

>> No.11394461

>>11393926
There has been buzz that one of Kronii's friends is in. I'm not sure if it's real or just her gachi/self posting. Kinda strange how much Kronii's old mates and Bae's old mates still love them but Rosemi is persona non grata to her old mates. No one is as bad as Fauna's old mate.

>> No.11394474

>>11394203
I mean I'm not saying that they're gonna get cancelled or anything. I was just thinking if the number of applicants will become lower than previous auditions. I was also thinking that some of the top indie talents might be more hesitant to apply and end up just waiting for EN 3 or even a new VShoujo gen.

>> No.11394478

Kuzuha should get back on MC and Gura should get deep into APEX.

>> No.11394481

>>11388639
They should make an all shota wave

>> No.11394522

>>11394454
>Kronii 13.2k
i saw14k

>> No.11394565

>>11394405
Yakuza or chinks. Someone is definitely behind her. Either a proxy. All she done today should cost no less than 10m yen. Album and merch requires upfront cost.

>> No.11394569

>>11394262
Wait, just wait until she gives in an panders to pinoys. She will be fine. She will still get above 500 viewers in a month.

>> No.11394574

>>11394405
Or maybe she never actually left her "former" shadow company

>> No.11394611

>>11394478
He hates Minecraft lol. He'd get better numbers getting back on ARK and slaughtering everyone and burning their stuff but his fans would go lynch people over it

>> No.11394623

>>11394461
Fauna has old mate?

>> No.11394630

>>11394311
He is playing a battle royale now. So cope more.

>> No.11394695

>>11394623
Fallenshadow or something went full menhera when she found out who Fauna is. Banned her name in her discord group or something.

>> No.11394710

>>11394611
Ark hype is over man. The days of the Ark wars and even HoloArk are in the past. Tho it would be weird if we enter a cycle of MC>Ark>MC>Ark

>> No.11394729

>>11394461
Got a name I can look up? Kinda interested. Also, Fauna's "friend" is a fucking dumbass. She could have had a leg up on most applicants for Gen 3 just by virtue of having someone inside the company itself. Menheras gonna menhera I guess.

>> No.11394786

>>11394710
They need to come up with a hot new game before the king dips to triple digits

>> No.11394793

>>11394623
IIRC, it's the one that cried on Twitter about how they started together and she supported her, yet Fauna cut her off and moved on to Hololive when she had a chance

>> No.11394803

>>11394695
I'm almost certain she started the train on Fauna too. l*monl*af wasn't on anyone's lips until someone linked her tweet here and dropped a who bunch of info.

>> No.11394807

>>11394461
Fauna'sold "friend" shit on twitter during her debu, becasue she "used her" (actually just learned some ASMR stuff from her) and didnt tell her she has NDAcontract with Cover in advance.

>> No.11394812

Damn, even Uto's original song is done by OSTER PROJECT, lol. She went all in with this 3D debut.

>> No.11394829

>>11394461
wasn't kronii ina's friend?

>> No.11394877

>>11394829
No, that's Sana

>> No.11394889

>>11394829
No. They're both asian leafs but that is the end of it. Only Sana was an actual nepotism hire for council.

>> No.11394891

>>11394812
HOLY SHIT, OSTER PROJECT.

>> No.11394904

>>11394829
You are thinking about Sana
Kronii just happens to also be korean

>> No.11394923

>>11394829
. . .

>> No.11395032

Why doesn't radioshow shit drawn in as many people as Zatsudans?

>> No.11395047

>>11391910
Nope. Rub is a trash currency (just a bit more value than ARS)

>> No.11395087

>>11394729
I know Cover like their menheras but she's too far out there.

https://twitter.com/YuriaVT
I think it's bullshit by one of her schizo fans but I'm sure she will be on people's short list of likely candidates when and if EN3 comes.

>> No.11395090

>>11394793
>>11394729
>didnt tell her she has NDAcontract with Cover in advance.>>11394807

>> No.11395093

>>11392389
She's still planning to do a proper monetization announcement stream like Reimu.

>> No.11395119

>>11394904
KRs are good. Just don't try to appeal to KR viewers.

>> No.11395150

>>11392100
does reddit watch anything other than hololive and hololive related chuubas?

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>>11393912
Guys...this just proved how superior Toya is...
No matter how shit the game is
He still can pull like 20k

>> No.11395231

>>11395087
this bitch is kind of indi who openly Hate corpo, but applied at them at least several times in a row

>> No.11395238

>>11395150
There's a Niji reddit thats mostly dead and a vtuber reddit that used to be good/had oldfags that has now turned into indie shilling. So there's probably some who watch Niji/Indies I assume.

>> No.11395310

>>11395093
I hope she does better then because Reimu's monetization stream ended up with just $557 in superchats, by far the worst one in NijiEN so far

>> No.11395317

>>11395231
Yuria WAS part of a company...

>> No.11395372

>>11394050
> earning time
Streamlab was already open when they did their debut.

>> No.11395388

Kronii looking like she'll reach 17k, what was the highest an EN got on this game?

>> No.11395444

>>11395388
Gura reached 30k, not sure about others.

>> No.11395456

Gura had 26k in Minecraft and Kronii is on 17k today.
Pretty Good Numbers but why is Mori so low? She only peaked 4.8k (is her game too much debuff or people just wanted Gura/kronii more)

>> No.11395549

>>11395456
most people interested in mh rise have watched/played more than enough of it already

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>>11395388
Probably the gura one

>> No.11395634

>>11395456
MonhunRise is old news. When Hololive rolled out that Maruyama vid involving MHR, I'm pretty sure most people were already over that game.

>> No.11395636

>>11395206
Probably because he's never going to stream an intensive game, every game he streams is a zatsudan game. No skill needed.

>> No.11395642

>>11395456
Kronii steal a lot of deadbeats

Mori is cringe as a streamer
She's only good at music and that's it

>> No.11395686

>>11395310
Anomaly, not a trend.

>> No.11395708

>>11395634
Even Ayame couldn’t save that show. I think it was 300k on the vod?

>> No.11395737

At this point kuzuha anti posts are just as numerous and annoying as kuzunig spam

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Selen and Millie buried the rest of Niji EN's new wave. They're gonna have to schedule shit to avoid each other at this rate, and just hope the Niji EN base grows.

>> No.11395871

>>11395708
Was Ayame in that one? I knew the MHR one was one of the earliest. Horrible start. Way too behind the times. I'm pretty sure most of the Holos involved had also already played it on stream too.
>>11395737
Don't worry, they'll start shitting on Gura/Pekora when their numbers drop too. Those in the top should be ridiculed.

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11395880

>3 hrs stream vs 2 hrs 30 mins vs 11 hrs stream.
Sad

>> No.11395932

>>11395827
Enna was reading superchats there. And One hand clapping isn't a buff game anyway, Petra also got awful numbers while playing it.

>> No.11395949

>>11395737
A lot of nijifags says the kuzufag who brags his numbers and shit on holos is just an holoanti/shitposter.

>> No.11395950

>>11395871
>Those in the top should be ridiculed
fucking based

>> No.11395952

>>11395827
NijiEN Minecraft. Do it. Selen just needs to get into vtuber cup/CR Cup. That Mimi chick from VSPO inclined after being in the 3rd vtuber cup.

>> No.11396005

>>11395880
Comparing the purple bird to Gura's vod is overkill, honestly. which is why I advocate to stop comparing nijien to holoen for the meantime

>> No.11396008

>>11395952
Selen /Kanae colab tomorrow

>> No.11396061

>>11395880
What site is that?? i wanna see Mori and Kronii's views

>> No.11396063

I think Kronii can hit 20k.

>> No.11396072

>>11396005
its sad that a JP streamer is beating her playing a debuff game on a daytime stream.

>> No.11396232

>>11396008
Shibuya Hal custom? They've done that before haven't they? We need CR Cup/VSaikyou since those are the two big APEX community tourneys for vtubers.

>> No.11396234

>>11396063
If Mori ends her stream then yeah.
Gura ending won't give her more viewers since those 9k are Gura's core audience who only watch her

>> No.11396248

>>11395932
https://twitter.com/EnnaAlouette/status/1447807682950438919
Oh and she has also confirmed that her timeslots are like this just for the first week and she'll be trying different times after that.

>> No.11396324
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>>11396005
>stop comparing nijien to holoen
reasonable
>for the meantime
hahaahha

>> No.11396340

>>11396232
Are you sure that it'll even make her incline? Those Apex tourneys usually gives massive numbers for a handful of pros and popular FPS chubbas and the rest gets a fucking in the ass in viewership

>> No.11396437

>>11396232
Nah Selen can't be in CR. Just because CR chooses captains and the captains chooses their members. Even if Kuzuha or Kanae are the captains, they won't choose Selen because they wouldn't communicate effectively and the prize pool+rep from CR is valuable for every apexfags. If they lose because of miscommunication, Selen would be bombarded with JP antis.

>> No.11396479

>>11396232
CR cup/VS gets big numbers only if you're good and Selen....well let's just say she won't be winning anything any time soon in a tournament with pros present

>> No.11396488

>>11396232
>Shibuya Hal custom?
yes
>They've done that before haven't they?
this is thier 3d collab, BUT Apex-servers were down last time
>CR Cup/VSaikyou
Selen has "allergy" to "serious" matches, im not sure if it will go well

>> No.11396520

>>11396340
Depends on individual success. Astel did get a noticeable boost from his tournament performances.

>> No.11396593

>>11396340
You have to get a good team with a good atmosphere that people like. Towa might've won with CPT but her boost from the game came from the Selly teams. Selen will get a boost if she performs well too but CR has too many monsters so she probably won't standout.
>>11396437
There's still VSaikyou

>> No.11396595

>>11396437
isnt there at least 1 small chuba who will pick Selen just for a clout?

>> No.11396601

good numbers from Gura this month. Seven 20k+ streams

>> No.11396626

kronii 20k

>> No.11396637

>>11396601
chumbuds adore the meme cube game

>> No.11396648

>>11396520
>Astel did get a noticeable boost from his tournament performances.
because his damage/kills

>> No.11396670

>>11396479
>only if you're good
Thats wrong. If you don't have the skill then APEX is a zatsudan game. Make the atmosphere good, make the team feel endearing, get the fanarts rolling, etc. If you can't do that THEN you gotta be skilled.

>> No.11396679

>>11396593
Pretty sure last Vsaikyou didn't allow non-jp participants (that's why Bora wasn't there)

>> No.11396699

>>11395642
Kronii's voice is better for streaming
t.fickledbeat

>> No.11396720

>>11396595
>Implying Selen has clout

>> No.11396721

Kronii now finally starting to show her strengths here, this is like her first stream in a while with a new game and not a collab.

>> No.11396723

>>11396637
Holofags love MC despite what people on this board claim. Towa/Matsuri also aren't doing that good a job at converting them to APEXfags either.

>> No.11396746

>>11396593
I don't see her joining VSaikyou because again the communication is a huge issue. The KRs get away with it with their baby Japanese but Selen can't even understand sentences and honestly, talks over a lot of the Japanese speakers in collabs in favor of the English speakers. VSaikyou may be "for fun" but it's still a lot of pressure and people still tryhard in it

>> No.11396748

>>11395642
>Mori is cringe as a streamer
that's not fair
her music is cringe too

>> No.11396753

>>11396670
ideally you want to have both

>> No.11396798

>>11396679
No. Bora was on a break. She announced it after the CR Cup. Don't just assume things. You could've looked this shit up/watch archives.
>>11396720
Compared to some of the people who get into VSaikyou? She does. Like that tanuki dude whoever the fuck he was.

>> No.11396810

>>11396670
>make the atmosphere good
This isn't exclusive to Apex this is an every stream skill needed.

>> No.11396835

>>11396720
>Implying Selen has clout
for niji KR/ID tier chuba? yes
but im not familiar with those cups thats why i ASKed

>> No.11396848

>>11396637
She might even beat her May numbers (her highest this year)

May
>27,237 (18)

October
>26,315 (9)

and no costume buff yet.

>> No.11396870

>>11396810
No shit it isn't APEX exclusive. But at least with games like APEX, if you don't have that skill you can make up for it with FPS skills.

>> No.11396875

>>11396595
Selen barely has clout, she got destroyed in the last tourney.
She's also not playing with the tournament Apex crowd regularly so she doesn't really have an in.

>> No.11396886

>>11396798
Clout here implies any team captains caring about adding her. Who does she know other than Kanae who's entangled with hundreds of other vtubers, and Uto who still would choose others like Chii-chan over her if she was a captain.

>> No.11396898

Kronii had a sudden boost when she was at a jumpscare scene lol
peaked at 21.5k?

>> No.11396942

>>11396875
What tourney?

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>>11396898
ikioi caught it nicely

>> No.11396955

>>11396721
Something special about being the blue theme related hololive member huh.

>> No.11396971

>>11396721
She needs to release her song, if she manages to do something good would be a stab in Mori's back

>> No.11397004

>>11396875
this isnt an answer to my OG Q
>destroyed in the last tourney.
did you even watched that shitshow?!
>She's also not playing with the tournament Apex crowd regularly
>debuted few month ago
i wonder why

>> No.11397007

>>11396953
king..

>> No.11397059

>>11397004
The answer to your gay question is no because Hal won't be picking literal who Japanese vtubers who are desperate enough to resort to picking an English speaking vtuber who won't be able to communicate in a tourney, thus tanking their reputation as a shit team

>> No.11397087

>>11397007
Afternoon is Pekoras time. The only one that can get 20k+

>> No.11397094

>>11396953
still don't understand how is kronii mogging the rest of her gen this hard

>> No.11397096

>>11396848
Maybe 8 streams because the first stream from last night was ended by tech issue

>> No.11397103

>>11396898
Didn't even pretend that she wasn't expecting it.

>> No.11397128

>>11396942
the one wich was during Apex-servers bullshit.
they end up playing Arenas with no practice.
+ Bonbon almost strangle with his kidny during it

>> No.11397166

>>11397059
>CR cup accepts holotrash like Matsuri and Roboco
>won't pick Selen
good joke, pull the other one

>> No.11397186

>>11397059
>dont watch Apex daily, as an autist
>has gay questions
how the turn tables

>> No.11397199

>>11397166
They speak Japanese you prancing homo lala fag

>> No.11397205

>>11397103
The clock is a perfectionist. She refuses to stream games she hasn't played or practiced because she's fucking competitive.

>> No.11397236

>>11397096
stream is a stream. If its longer than 20 minutes its counted.

>> No.11397238

Selen simply won't incline from being in an Apex tourney which she has no way in, not good enough to stand out or have a good team to have kino moments to be popular enough.
>>11397166
Was Roboco ever in a CR or was it Vsaikyou kek. At least Matsuri is reasonably popular AND speaks Japanese

>> No.11397248

>>11397094
Most gens usually have 1 big standout. Even though Myth is generally considered very strong overall all of them still get absolutely mogged by Gura.

>> No.11397251

>>11397199
even with zero communication Selen destroys them in skill, language isn't even a factor here if you're comparing tourney performance

>> No.11397263

>>11396953
>>11397007
Its youtube guys, the 2 and 1 were in the wrong order. Instead of 12456 it should've been 21456.

>> No.11397274

>>11397199
roboco can speak EN

>> No.11397283

>>11397166
roboco's never been in cr cup. both of them have a large network of friends/acquaintances.

>> No.11397287

>>11397263
He still loses to Kronii though.

>> No.11397309

>>11397166
because they are Japanese playing on a Japanese tournament u nigger. And like he said >>11396437
CR org choose the captains, the captain choose the members.

>> No.11397331

>>11397251
Do you know that Apex requires you to be able to talk to your teammates?
>>11397274
Not enough to sustain a single conversation. And RBC will never be chosen as a team captain for any esports tournament. She doesn't even know who Selen is, kek.

>> No.11397332

>>11397248
yeah but gura has the >HER, cunny and meme buffs. kronii has none of that

>> No.11397337

I think Kronii is the second strongest EN now

My Rank : Gura > Kronii > Ina > Mumei > Ame (When trying) > Bae > Fauna > Mori > Kiara > Sana

Koreans are too strong

>> No.11397343

>>11397251
Holy shit you’re delusional.
Tournament level Apex is all about communication and positioning.
Selen just goes full ape and dies.

>> No.11397362

>>11397251
Even ignoring language and communication issues, there's also ping to keep in mind.
rpr was probably the best player in those Hal customs he played with Towa, but he didn't play well because he was playing on like 300 ping.
Selen won't play well in a JP tournament because she's a leaf with high ping.

>> No.11397415

>>11397337
Ina mogs Kronii tho and Mumei is just closing in

>> No.11397448

>>11397337
el goblina...

>> No.11397527

>>11397337
iwys...

>> No.11397531

>>11397103
Pretty sure it was obvious something was gonna happen when the elevator wasn't working and there was some ominous sound. If she actually knew how it was, she'd have just have her character look outside to get it over.

>> No.11397534

Selenfags need a hard dose of reality

>> No.11397533

How the fuck did a selen apexfag end up here.

>> No.11397536

Night delivery is too short, Kroniivis already reading SC

>> No.11397587

>>11397536
It's so trash even compared to other chillas games. Most holos pad the time by doing both endings but kronii isn't even bothering.

>> No.11397589

>>11397343
Selenfags are delusional when it comes to her Apex skills. Literally ignoring the ability to communicate in an Apex tournament shows how much knowledge they have in that game.
>>11397362
Was she lagging when she played with Kanae?
Anyhow I doubt Selen would be able to do shit if she were to play in 300 ping and she's not even an Apex champion. Suicide.

>> No.11397632

>>11397087
>Afternoon is Pekoras time
She usually streams on weekends or holidays tho

>> No.11397640

>>11391291
She got hit just as hard as HoloEN when the Ccv xut came in.
They have the same kind of audience

>> No.11397651

>>11397337
Is this based on CCV/Vod/SC?

If it is, then For me its:
Gura > Ina > Kronii > Mumei > Mori > IRyS > Kiara > Sana > Ame > Fauna > Bae

>> No.11397693

>>11397533
They're the biggest numberniggers of Nijisanji.

>> No.11397743

>>11397651
You're crazy if you think Kiara and Sana's SCs make up for the deficit they have in CCV against Ame and Fauna.

Also, Kronii gets similar CCV to Ina and destroys her in SCs so how does that work?

>> No.11397801

>>11397343
no amount of communication and positioning will make shitters like Matsuri, Towa or Roboco better than Selen in a match, your literally arguing that just because they can talk to each other it makes up for far superior aiming and game sense

>> No.11397874

>>11397801
Are you forgetting that tourneys plays in squads?
Also
>unironically comparing FPS skills
when you've not watched Towa or Matsuri before is just retarded, kys.

>> No.11397912

>>11397632
I mean she is probably the only one who consistently get 20k+ on that timeslot no?

>> No.11397947

>>11397801
This nigga has never seen Kamito's awful placings in Apex tournaments despite him being an ex-pro pred and better than Selen's ever been.

>> No.11398010

>>11397801
Aim means fucking jack shit if you can't tell your team you see enemies, if your team dies while you're out sniping heads you will not win. And that's pretending that Selen even has good aim.

>> No.11398037

>>11397801
Matsuri and Towa have proven themselves by winning tournaments though.

>> No.11398066

>>11396061
livecounts.io

>> No.11398077

How many tournaments has Astel won by the way, you know, the solo master king, compared to Selen who admitted she got carried to pred in the past and can barely get to plat today EVEN while being carried by JPs?
How many tournaments have Matuli and Towa won...?

>> No.11398094

>>11397337
About CCV: Gura > Kronii > Ina > Mumei > Fauna > Ame > Mori > Bae > Kiara > Sana
About SC: Mori > Gura > Kronii > Kiara > Sana > Fauna > Mumei > Ina > Ame > Bae

>> No.11398104

>>11398077
0 and 1 each?

>> No.11398127

>>11398104
They all have 1 tournament win.

>> No.11398172

>>11398094
CCV: Kronii > Ina > Mumei > Fauna > Ame > Mori > Bae > Kiara > Sana> Gura
SC: Mori > > Kiara Kronii > Sana > Fauna > Mumei > Ina > Ame > Bae> Gura
Gura is the weakest EN considering that most of ther 3.5 mil subs are deadweight and don't support via CCV nor SC

>> No.11398228

>>11398094
What? isn't kiara 2nd in holoEN SC total this year? Where are you even getting your numbers?

>Hololive EN
Mori Calliope - $623,450
Takanashi Kiara - $587,010
Gawr Gura - $514,768
Amelia Watson - $310,213
Ninomae Ina'nis - $275,866
IRyS - $98,359
Ouro Kronii - $86,704
Tsukumo Sana - $42,594
Nanashi Mumei - $37,261
Hakos Baelz - $32,366
Ceres Fauna - $25,527

>> No.11398323

>>11398228
He's implying that Kiara has a intense cult-like fanbase that donates SCs often and she reads SCs for hours, but she's only barely above Gura, who "reads" maybe 10 SCs a stream, doesn't bait SC much, and has a mostly zoomer fanbase that can't donate.

>> No.11398345

>>11398228
He is probably talking about average per stream and Gura is well ahead of Kiara there since she has that total while streaming a lot less.

I don't think that is necessarily a good way of looking at that because people will super chat when they super chat but that is probably his thinking.

>> No.11398369

>>11398228
this is too outdated, Kronii and IRyS already passed 100k mark

>> No.11398394

>>11398066
I remember how some anon posted this saying that Kizuna will reach 2.9mln soon like two weeks ago
https://livecounts.io/youtube-live-subscriber-counter/UC4YaOt1yT-ZeyB0OmxHgolA

>> No.11398400

>>11398323
And also, barely do celebrate streams compare to Calli and Kiara

>> No.11398458

>>11398394
Whoops my bad it was almost a month ago
>>/vt/thread/S9886824#p9924675

>> No.11398470

Whats up with Noah recently? She's been refusing to do any collab ever since CR Cup.

>> No.11398502

>>11398394
I don't believe in this site

>> No.11398528

>>11398323
>>11398345

Well i dont care about that. I can make the same arguments about pekora vs lamy SC earning but i wont. What i see is kiara is earning more than gura in SC and lamy is earning more than pekora

>>11398369
Ofcourse its not lol this list only gets update every month. This data only counts jan-sept SC.

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>>11398077
>compared to Selen who admitted she got carried to pred in the past and can barely get to plat today
wwww so the ranking changed like it was in csgo huh

>> No.11398573

Not sure if anyone mentioned it last night, but there's another Niji tournament coming up on Oct 16th... for Blazing Sails.
https://twitter.com/debidebiru_sama/status/1447932807834185745

Teams: (NijiEN is a team wtf)
https://twitter.com/debidebiru_sama/status/1448260083381506048
LMAO Kuzuha's team is at the bottom of the list but has by far the most likes and RT ofc.

>> No.11398582

>>11398470
Why are you asking that here?

>> No.11398588

>>11398553
It did change, it was almost a year ago. Easier to get to pred back then than now, such is the case for many FPS

>> No.11398652

>>11398528
>Well i dont care about that.
...cool?
You asked a question, we answered it.
>lamy is earning more than pekora
Pekora is 3rd all-time, what are you talking about?
https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-superchatted-v-tuber-channels-in-worldwide-total

>> No.11398714

>>11398652
This year lamy is above pekorain SC. Comparing their overall total is retarded

>Hololive (JP)
Kiryu Coco* - $1,465,968
Uruha Rushia - $1,353,640
Houshou Marine - $762,120
Yukihana Lamy - $726,989
Usada Pekora - $693,832
Amane Kanata - $668,392

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Recency bias, but this is Ina's time slot (where Gura lost against Ina), and Kronii is performing decently. Kronii's 5 hours VOD has higher peak and views than Ina's 6 hours VOD. Saying Ina mogs Kronii is just false when Kronii can pull her own weight.

>> No.11398951

>>11398804
Was that last peak when she went full menhera after a zenloss?
Either way, I'm surprised Ina even got that many viewers when all she was doing was basically quietly building her own thing while listening to her kouhai argue

>> No.11398985

>>11397332
Kronii is an aspie with sexy avatar, an even sexier voice and the humor of late night television. She is basically opposite Gura in a good way.

>> No.11399010

>>11396679
I am pretty sure a Taiwanese vtuber was in it. Annin Miru IIRC.

>> No.11399040

>>11397743
Ina got her chat house broken early.

>> No.11399117

>>11398804
This was also when both were streaming too and ending at the same time so you can see the lines between their fans instead of one having gained the other's viewers.

>> No.11399148

>>11398502
I don't know how this work but they got it right for Kronii's stream lol 110k views
The subscribers count for Kizuna Ai still is bullshit

>> No.11399174

>>11397248
Gen2 never got their own Gura.

>> No.11399178

>>11398985
>Kronii is an aspie with sexy avatar
>She is basically opposite Gura

>> No.11399289

>>11397337
>Gura
>Kronii
>Mumei
>They were all meme queens before joining Hololive
This is how you scouting top talents
There're reasons why they are big fish

>> No.11399343

>>11399174
Kronii is Gen 2s standout and she definitely is another diamond that Yagoo discovered. But comparing her to Gura is eh... If I were to use a gacha analogy, both Gura and Kronii are SSRs but Gura is someone that's meta-defining who gameplayfags will break the bank for.

>> No.11400095

>>11399343
Gura is a special case even when compared to normal streamers. Kronii is really strong

>> No.11400364

>>11398804
Don’t listen to the takofags, Ina did well in her time slot because there was no competition for it. When she plays non buff games/activities (most things apart from MC, drawing, karaoke streams) it shows her floor/core audience which is around 4-7k.

>> No.11400467

>APEXfag
>Carring entire branches by herself
Is Selen a female version kuzuha of nijien?

>> No.11400470
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Crunchy hime might actually mog Niji EN 3, wew

>> No.11400643
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>>11400467
>Is Selen a female version kuzuha of nijien?
kek, maybe a “mini me” gender swapped version of Kuzuha

>> No.11400653

>>11399178
>Gura
>sexy
I would pronebone fertilize Gura's eggs, but she definitely isn't what constitutes sexy. Her personality drives most of her vibe.

>> No.11400664

>>11400467
is Kuzuha toxic-kusogaki?

>> No.11400670

>>11400467
Purple Kuzuha: Selen
Red Kuzuha: Lauren
Who's the Kuzuha of Hololive?

>> No.11400681

>>11398985
What do you mean? Gura's avatar is the sexiest

>> No.11400691

>>11400470
w8, WHAT?!
did she have 2k during debu?!

>> No.11400701

>>11400670
>Who's the Kuzuha of Hololive
Matsur- hahahaha, I can’t finish this sentence

>> No.11400723

>>11400691
Peaked at like 2.5k concurrent viewers I think. But crunchy may actually have a wide global audience that have to watch the VODs. Hime's first stream I think is tomorrow so it'll be interesting to see how her VOD views compare. The live viewers will likely be low.

>> No.11400742

>>11400691
NMw recognition and a huge brand do these things. Watching streams live is a niche but watching YouTube videos isn’t, all crunchyroll needs is to use the rest of their multi million follower / subscribers accounts and say
>go check our new vtuber, here is the link

>> No.11400748

why is Reine speaking so much ID during her stream, today?

>> No.11400756

>>11400691
Yeah, she had about 2k CCV during her debut.
And the comparison isn't fair. Crunchyroll is almost a household name for western anime fans at this point - even if you weren't a Vtuber fan, you'd be curious to see who this Vtuber for a beloved company is. Nijisanji is still a literal who company in EN despite having 3 waves to it's name

>> No.11400780

>>11400748
>today
You may have missed the shift in language ever since ID smallest vocal minority gave them shit for not speaking enough ID

Seems like some of the girls fell for that meme and really started doing more ID language streams.

>> No.11400789

>>11399343
>>11400095
SSR: Pekora, Marine, Gura, FBK
SR: Miko, Suisei, Subaru, Rushia, Korone, Haachama, Aqua, Mori, Ina, Kronii
(Special mention for Botan, and
La Creatividad)

>> No.11400828

>>11400789
>FBK
True but the game mechanics changed and she got power crept and nerfed.
Also
>no Ayame
Anon, plz.

>> No.11400859

>>11400780
i knew about that1, but it feels like ID girls started to do it after council debu

>> No.11400922

>>11400789
>FBK
not nowadays
>no Ayame
????

>> No.11400934

>>11400859
Nah, iirc they do at least 1 day of purely ID ever since that Indog schizo complained and Cover entertained the complaint

>> No.11400946

>>11400859
>but it feels like ID girls started to do it after council debu
They started before, and the whole “ID MC Server” is more or less a “reboot” of that branch. Notice they spoke predominantly ID for that relay.

For some reason they’re betting the house on ID taking over the ID market (or die trying)

>> No.11400994

IRyS consistently gets her usual 4k at any time of the day. That's probably her soft cap at this point that doesn't involve minecraft.

>> No.11401024

>>11400789
>Korone
>not SSR

>> No.11401063

>>11400946
>they’re betting the house on ID taking over the ID market

could be smart in long term since HoloID is the biggest ID branch in term of numbers.
i don't think they can push as ID branch at EN audience when Cover has holoEN, in long term.

>> No.11401065

Here is the true list

>SR: Subaru, Sora
>S: Suisei, Shion
>A: Aqua, Ayame
>B: Botan, Baelz
>C: Coco (RIP), Choco,
>F: Flare, FBK,
>G: Gura

WELL?

>> No.11401102

>>11401065
Where's Ame in A?

>> No.11401108

>>11400756
Beloved? anon wtf are you smoking, CR is hated by everyone who has been an anime fan for longer than a year or two.

>> No.11401122

>>11401063
Maybe with new EN girls spreading through the slots they would end up clashing with the EN speaking IDs like Moona and Ollie, debuffing those

>> No.11401173

>>11401063
Don't forget that as EN branch expands, that means less EOPs will be watching their streams. It might be better for them if they already secure the ID scene even if they aren't as big as the EN scene.

>> No.11401183

>>11401063
They're obviously aiming for a better local push into advertisement and sponsorship, getting the girls more established with earning cash which will go hand in hand with the incoming ID3.

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>>11401173
this was basically my thought

>> No.11401400

Okay, prediction for HoloID3's debut number, I think they might get at least 70k to check out since that is the floor for any Holo debut. If a design is eye catching enough then 90k might not be too far off. Also, this might a bit surprising but I think Cover might go for a 4 member team this time. HoloID is established enough to afford a 4 member gen this time.

>> No.11401498

>>11401400
>HoloID3
>90k
anon..
>Kronii debu
>88,656 / 94,966
stop

>> No.11401594
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>>11401400
>If a design is eye catching enough then 90k might not be too far off.
kek, not even Hana Machia defecting from Nijisanji, keeping her model and spending the first 30 min of her debut trash talking Nijisanji and spilling all the rrats from her previous employer could reach 90k

>> No.11401635

>>11401400
I'd say around ID2 numbers or less than that. ID2 was carried by Myth buff at the time, and also pre-dec YT update thing. I think that update rolled out after their debuts.

For designs, ID has a lot of cultural reference to derive from so I hope they start with that rather than fantasy things. Anya was a little bit too loli-ish for an ancient dagger on top of being a semi-jp member kek.

>> No.11401667

oh god the king has returned to the valo hell and is under 10k.

>> No.11401696

>>11401667
king...

>> No.11401705

>>11400701
Uhh… thats a word…

>> No.11401731

>>11401667
>king
>under 10k
pick 1

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>>11401635
>pre-dec YT update thing
Nope. Change was on Dec 2, debut was Dec 5.

You can see in Anya’s debut chart, back then it was even worse, waiting room was completely culled to zero and it stayed there for a couple of minutes until verification of all. Now it releases in batches

>> No.11401788

>>11401667
so no one really cares about this bum? it's just the apexkiddies foty and they picked him? jeez, niji really can't create stars, they better thank god that apex blew up and kuzuha was the one they piled on

>> No.11401787

>>11400994
This is an awful time for burgers.
1 am PST/ 4am EST.

>> No.11401845

>>11401788
Welcome to the number general in spring 2021.

>> No.11401853

>>11401400
ID3 Numbers will be around 60k+ each.
1st Streams after debut will around 12k-16k.

>> No.11401957

>>11401853
>1st Streams after debut will around 12k-16k.
if they will speak EN

>> No.11402031

>>11401754
Oh I thought the update thing was around 10-12 dec

>> No.11402044

>>11401667
Really makes ya wish that people would stop doomposting every time a vtuber gets viewership lower than their average. This is seen the most with Gura. Even for the most powerful vtubers the game they are playing still matters a lot as we are seeing now with Kuzuha.

>> No.11402087

>>11402044
Fluctuating viewership based on game is fine. Having mediocre numbers for everything except one game and only getting really good numbers during tournaments for that game... that ain't a king.

>> No.11402088

>>11402044
Game AND timeslot. Kuzuha hours these usually are not as well, and no-one is immune, not even Pekora. At least she waits until weekends to ply the earlier hours so she isn't hit nearly as bad.

>> No.11402095

>>11402044
It'll never stop, just gotta learn how to filter the shitposts out.
I would say Kuzuha fans have it hard today, but there aren't any real Kuzuha fans in these threads lol.

>> No.11402098

>>11402031
December 2. They threw it into the world and went to fix it along the way.
It took time for people to notice, only after a couple of easy 40j streams were down to 25k people started to notice

>> No.11402129

>>11402087
>Having mediocre numbers for everything except one game and only getting really good numbers during tournaments for that game
Hasn't even been a month and people already forgot the Pokemon Unite and BoTW streams...

>> No.11402131

>>11401754
>>11402098
Oh yowza that is pretty noticable.
Well, community tools to the rescue.

>> No.11402138

ITT: anons getting riled up by unoriginal shitposts

>> No.11402154

>>11402129
0 attention spam and selective pickings, pls undahstand.
Yea, he can do good numbers with other things, but his biggest base is definitely later in the day. These past few days have been rough.

>> No.11402272

>>11402095
I like him as part of various collabs and groups, dokuzuhonsha is kino shit but solo I'm not interested, especially playing apex.

>> No.11402313

>>11402044
What do you think why kuzuha doesn't usually play non-FPS games?
Because those numbers aren't looking good
At least Gura& Pekora would try multiple kinds of games

>> No.11402400

>>11402129
>Pokemon Unite
Tourney
>BoTW
Okey I accept that
But can he keep those numbers in a long run?

>> No.11402411

>>11402095
I'm mainly a Holo fan but I watch his streams if he streams at complete NEET hours, He's pretty funny and doesn't give a shit about numbers so he's even better.

>> No.11402695

>>11402087
>Holos get mediocre numbers
>tries to explain that this is just a Youtube bug
>the King gets mediocre numbers
>starts doomposting
Screw you Holofaggots. This is why you pieces of shit are the cancer of this board

>> No.11402729

>>11401102
Ame is in 'W' for 'Watson'.

>> No.11402801

>>11402695
If he was a real king, the minimum for him should be 20k in good timeslots. But he didn't. His rep tarnished for having played LoL & bloodhunt on a weekday afternoon. Take the L.

>> No.11402800

>>11402695
Huh?? Its the other way around idiot.
Only problem with Holobronies is they're easily baited.

>> No.11402822

>>11402695
Hey, I tried to explain why Kuzuha's getting mediocre numbers besides the fact that he's playing league, but it's either ignored or skipped, what else do you want?!

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