/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>11011997
they fell for the niji meme... poor girls

It took Lyrica a full year to get 100k subs. It took Rosemi which is the weakest performer sub-wise one month and a half to get 100k subs. Once people realize who she is she'll get considerably more than Rosemi even since she'll move her pre-existing fanbase to there.

>>11012364
Eh being in nijien rn probably not that much better, look at the subs, people already got burned out with another wave, gonna take half year for that 100k

i'm confused why nijiEN shits out so many vtubers, it's not bad but they are not huge so it seems weird to spread their numbers even more, i could understand if holo did it with how massive they are or vshojo with the buff of getting already established vtubers

>>11012838
They are looking for variety so everyone can find someone they like, and if they get someone really good, that would help rise all the others.

>>11012933
They are doing a really horrible job of variety then.

>>11011997
>I mean one of them already have 100k subs before, why throw it away?
No way, are you sure that's the right person?

>>11012933
No a whole lot of variety in streams. Just the same old, same old games. They just pump out chuubas that could appeal to the minority of stragglers from Holofans.

>>11012978
There is variety in both NijiEN and HoloEN, now that they added more people. And a lot between both.

>>11013107
>No a whole lot of variety in streams
Same with HoloEN.

>>11012364
This. Rosemi also had a lot of baggage after the tsunderia incident. The split was NOT AMICABLE either but she still is over 100k despite being a snake.

>>11012838
"Spreading out the numbers" is a retarded concept for anyone outside of Hololive. Do you think there is a ton of people who watch every Nijisanji EN stream and if you add another chuuba they might not have the time to do it anymore or something?
More livers simply means stronger brand in the long run. More opportunities for big events, more unique talents and personalities, more possible units within the branch, more connections with chuubas and content creators outside of Nijisanji. It adds up.

Lmao, always knew that holokeks are so fucking dumb.

>>11011997
Like it or not, Nijisanji is still the 2nd biggest EN Vtuber corporation out there. It's a far better fate than being a 2view indie or joining a """startup""" corporation.

>>11012838
The thing is that Vtuber era is almost died out and to save themself they just need to jumped in corpo vtuber or else theyre gonna stuck in limbo full of 2views

>>11014002
>Nijisanji is still the 2nd biggest EN Vtuber corporation out there
Second biggest EN is VShojo. Third is Niji.

>>11012986
Yes, but live views were in the low hundreds. She also got a graduation buff that pushed her to 100k, though she would've reached it before 2022 for sure.

>>11014039
Okay fine, Nijisanji is the 2nd biggest EN Vtuber corporation that you actually have a chance of joining without having inside connections. There, happy?

>>11013164
Right. But the argument was that they are specefically going for variety. HoloEn isn't and doesn't need to.

>>11014274
>Nijisanji is the 2nd biggest EN Vtuber corporation that you actually have a chance of joining without having inside connections.
Actually, VShojo is now doing auditions. Chibidoki and other VTubers have tried out for it.

>>11014320
Both Niji and Holo added more EN VTubers to offer a greater variety of choice, so that people can more easily find someone they like.

>>11014362
And we all know it's gonna be Snuffy, anon. The "auditions" are just a formality to create free advertising for them

>>11014274
You couldve said that Nijisanji is the 2nd biggest EN Vtuber corporation on Youtube.

>>11011997
All of the NijiENs got a more viewers than Lyrica did. All of the NijiENs got a lot more superchats than Lyrica did. Millie will get a lot more viewers and a lot more superchats than Lyrica did.

>>11014445
There will probably be like 4 or 5 picked, and Chibidoki is a sure thing IMO. Did Snuffy even audition for it? Does she even want to join?

>>11012838
Just take a look at NijiID and NijiKR.

>>11014546
>All of the NijiENs got a lot more superchats than Lyrica did
Not all...

>>11011997
Guaranteed 1k-ish viewership floor. Massive increase in exposure and networking opportunities. Merch and sponsorship opportunities. Superchats in currencies besides SEA clown money. I'd say you'd have to be able to get at least 1k on your own for most streams as an indie for it to not be a good deal. Someone like Haruka, Vienna, Bao would probably turn it down but anyone smaller is gonna see it as a good deal.

>>11014020
Holy ESL

>>11011997
we don't have mental ill ''fans'' harassing the talents.

>>11011997
Enna already had more subs than her past life so it’s really not that bad. She was the lowest member of her gen. If she truly was a diamond in the rough, this is her best shot and I think she has a really good design buff to start from.

If had the choice to have a guaranteed slot in Niji for a moderate streaming career better than being an indie, or risk it all to hold out for Holo auditions to hit it big, I'd pick the safe choice.

>>11013181
Her other indie account had it's own set of fans too, in fact it was popular than her Tsunderia character. Rosemi came in with the 3rd biggest past life boost after Pomu/Elira.

>>11014764
How long did Rosemi even have her Tsunderia gig? I got the impression she immediately ditched once she got the job and that's partly why there was a fuss about it.

>>11014694
Probably depends how desperate I am. If I'm just some fuck off rich neet living in her parents house I'd hold out for Hololive if I thought I had a serious chance. A seeing who got into Gen 2 would give me hope. However if Niji EN was the only way I could drop my day job and still make enough to get by, that would be an easy call. Also if I didn't have some kind of specialist talent and couldn't speak Japanese I would probably assume I wouldn't get into Hololive and just take the Niji spot.

>>11014614
That is still over a year of chuubaing vs a few months. And for Lyrica about a third of her total superchats were gotten in the last two week when she had announced her graduation. On some streams before that she often got like 50-60 dollars on streams, where in NijiEN she will almost definitely be making way way more

>>11014805
4.5 months according to the vtuber wiki. So basically like if IRyS fucked off next month and reincarnated into Vshoujo.

>>11014914
>couldn't speak Japanese
Since when has that been a hard req for HoloEN? I think there are probably more nihongo speakers in NijiEN than HoloEN

>>11011997
They got rejected by Cover so they had to settle for Niji.

>>11014998
Those who can't speak Japanese have a special talent. Like Ame's repertoire of noises or Calli's cowboy impression.

>>11015074
Moona invited Lyrica, one of the ones in this new Niji wave, to Hololive. She rejected them and went for Niji instead. So that's actually the opposite, Cover was the one rejected, rumao

>>11015119
Proof?

Pretty slow before their debut. I guess the third wave coming out after 6 months is finally taking it's toll. Expect a 4th wave in December. I think the overall sub growth for NijiEN has slowed dramatically. I think it takes them even 1-2 weeks to even get 5k subs. Certainly faster than Kizuna Ai but it's worrisome. If they can keep their established fans around longer it could be fine but you need an injection of interest from new people in case some of those fans leave or take a break after a while. Probably won't seem that significant in 2021 but I'm concerned when we get into 5+ waves into 2022 and we'll see the affects of the Nijisanji stategy of vtuber carpet bombing can do.

>>11015261
Wouldn’t be surprised if they announced auditions for the next wave a couple weeks after this one debut.

>>11014998
It's not but if you're a run of the mill variety streamer with a small channel and can't speak Japanese either your odds are pretty bad.

>>11015119
Lyrica can't speak Indonesian, she would have had to get into Holo EN 2, which "being invited by Moona" doesn't necessarily guarantee.

>>11011997
Nijisanji is going the Google route. Carpet bomb a variety of niches and pander to all audiences. Hololive is supposed to be kid and unicorn friendly, but Nijisanji's model is focused on variety, collabs and content as entertainment.

Nijisanji will inevitably outlast and outgrow hololive over time when a new agency goes viral and becomes the flavor of the next few years. Wouldn't be surprised if Hololive EN chubas even wound up pulling a Luna once the decline begins, at which point Niji can capitalize by recruiting a few.

With that said, the best time to get into Nijisanji is sooner rather than later. There'll only be so much room in the life boats.

>>11015824
>Carpet bomb a variety of niches and pander to all audiences
More like release chuubas that all do the same thing besides one Apex nut, kek.

>>11015824
The only one who would actually benefit going to Niji is Ame and i am sure Niji would not want her.

>>11015370
next wave gonna be male wave, so i think they will wait before that

>>11016956
why tho? if she can be more creative in niji that be great, but she will lose a lot and a lot if view plus SC

>>11014274
Ollie was orbiting Marica Bellerose and now she is in the Council.

>>11015235
Moona joked about it, fact is Lyrica isn't indonesian so she replied "lol lmao what the fuck you talk about"

>>11014614
out of that 33K more than 10K were in farewell week

I cried in Lyrica's farewell stream because she said she will retire in Vtubing and she will go abroad. But I will still support her in her decision to be part of Nijisanji

The benefit of Nijisanji is getting to actually interact with social people

>>11011997
>Be a corp Vtuber
>Get a stable salary
>Get tons of simps regardless of PL numbers
>Get merch
>Get voicepacks
>Get dodos
>Constantly get Oilbarons depending on your ability as a vtuber compared to when you were indie.
>Collab with your Oshi(s)
>Meet them eventually compared to if you were indie most likely
>Again, more money.
Idk Anon, being in a corp tend to work out better for literally every girl ever that transitioned into it with the exception of Hololive drama.

>>11025035
>interact with "social people"
Sounds awful.

STOP! Ankimo check!
Any of them passed him yet before their glorious debut?

>>11015824
>Google route
More like the Machinima route if ya ask me.

>>11025074
You watch vtubers for the social experience, why not just watch a solo indie if you want to see a girl who doesn't like talking to people.

>>11014274
>without having inside connections
>he doesn't know

>>11012364
Flips will run Nijisanji JP and EN. HoloPH when

>>11012978
Niji is the only agency that has a female top 0.1% player in their respective game.

>>11011997
>I mean one of them already have 100k subs before, why throw it away?
I hope it's not the seanig i'm thinking about

>>11025035
You say that, then say this >>11025272, but NijiENs barely interact with their viewers at all. For example, when is the last time one of them had a 'Mallow stream? You might as well be watching a really bad anime.

>>11025535
>top 0.1%
>nijinigger way to justify small number

>>11024890
The Twitter bot got a Youtube channel?

>>11014614
Even if you're a 2view, you get a relatively huge severance package.

>>11025542
NijisanjiEN reads chat more than HoloEN. But my post was about the vtubers themselves collabing with people.

>>11025578
The fuck are you talking about?

>>11011997
Believe it or not, sub numbers aren't everything. Average viewers will go up, be part of future Niji projects, collab opportunities will open up.

Another factor I don't see mentioned is, they have an opportunity to re-invent who they want their streamer persona to be. Some streamers will have created a core audience who expect one thing, but they wish to go in a different direction. May not be true for these 4, but it is something to look for.

>>11026133
Kek, Didn't know Copium hits so early when they are not even debute yet.

>>11013181
>snake
Leaving a job for a better opportunity is not a betrayal. If her contract allowed her to leave or if Anycolor was willing to pay whatever fee for breaking it early, Tsunderia and it's fans have no right to be upset, and Rosemi antis are stupid for using that to condemn her

>>11025468
>HoloPH
eh.. it will go the same as HoloID, most flips still watch the "EN" branches rather then their own branch, just like the ID

>>11012838
It's not about subscriber numbers, it's about profit. and having a 10 streamers making $5k each a month is better than one who makes $25k AND much easier to achieve.

>>11012364
Wait which one of these new girls is Lyrica?

>>11025578
what did he mean by this

>>11032761
She also streamed on her own account when she was in Tsunderia, and not just once or twice but regularly. The whole thing really was "hey thanks for the $5k model but I'm just killing time until I can get something better going". Even if she paid it back when she left she still wasted everyone's time, I wouldn't particularly like her if I was a Tsunderia fan.

>>11033269
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bO1OJNJiyk

>>11033269
gato brujah

>>11033320
The situation is literally
>Have a hobby
>Apply for a job in that field
>Get in
>Continue doing it in your free time as well
>Apply for a better position
>Also get that
>Leave the first job earlier than expected

>>11033269

>what are the benefits of being nijikeks?
>bigger cut of SC
>a hell of a lot more freedom over your content
>less intrussive management
>contact with a fuckhuge number of content creators, producers, disck labels and more
>barelly any corporate bullshit
>if you turn out to be a breakthrough talent, the company will actually do something with it.
Is not just about raw numbers, anon, and no, Niji is not perfect, And holo beats it in a lot of things, but it has a fuckhuge number of pros.

Is youtube still culling subs?

>>11024624
>retire in Vtubing and she will go abroad
That was kayfabe you fucking idiot. Her character's backstory is that she's a former mahou shoujo who vtubed for money. Her graduation stream was because the taxman caught wind of Lyrica Ch. and she went into hiding at an offshore tax haven.

>>11033320
>>11032761
She couldn't even be bothered to pretend that she cared. Not to mention her collabing with Kami and Artemis while leaving her genmates to play without her in the first week after debuting. I'm not even a Tsunderia fan but it was painfully obvious coming from a former Miki fan that she treated them like shit and never was going to but her effort in from the start. Source: https://youtu.be/dUIJsQxMGq4

>>11034159
I think it got repaired

>>11011997
shachi throw away her 1M subs too

>>11032873
Not sure if you're serious, but if you are, I completely disagree. Having a big named streamer, especially in entertainment, is always better than having several that no one even knows about. That one big streamer can help pull up others in their group just by interacting with them, which in turn can create several more big named streamers. Popular streamers are also more likely to get things like sponsorships and merch. As for your last point, yes it is easier to hire a bunch of people that won't end up making much. However, I question whether that is "better". Isn't it much more efficient if one streamer can achieve the same results as several? As an example, I grabbed a bunch of SC numbers on playboard since those are public profit numbers that are available to us, and did a quick comparison to see how it stacks up. Comparison will be with Kronii (the big name) from HoloEN and NijiEN (the smaller streamers):

Kronii's SC total from 13 of her most recent monetized streams: $48.8k
Lazulight + Obsydia SC total from 78 (6 x 13) of their most recent monetized streams: $51.7k

Yeah Niji edges Kronii a bit, but holy shit it took her 13 streams to make a simlar amount 78 NijiEN streams.I really feel like a few big/mid tier streamers is better than a ton of small ones. Just my opinion by the way.

>>11014583
Anny is for sure getting in

>>11032873
Are you really basing this on just SC money? Do you know how much a sponsorship from a 10k CCV vtuber is worth as compare to 1-2k ones, ad rev from VODs or generally the demand of merch from these vtubers/streams? 10 nijiEN wouldn't even come close to one Ame, let alone Ina or Kronii for that matter.

>>11033269
the loli lola

>>11015824
>Nijisanji will inevitably outlast and outgrow hololive over time when a new agency goes viral and becomes the flavor of the next few years.
So you think what will happen first? Your prediction or first NijiEN with 1m subs? How about some old NijiJP with 1m subs?

>>11041560
Kanae already surpassed Mito, hopefully he'll get 1M soon too

>>11041560
>>11044568
Kanae will get 1 mil by March 2022.

>Niji already floating the market
Why do they keep doing this?
It doesn't really work for them in the long run.
Its like they don't have a plan and instead just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks.

>>11014614
Imagine sucking this guy's dick to get into Nijisanji and still earn less than an indie, even with all the "gura killer" viral marketing

>>11011997
>what are the benefits of being nijikeks?
Not working for a black company that restricts what you can do or say or who you can collab with.

>>11046567
Your problem is, you're treating them like a commodity, when in actuality, at least in Nijisanji's case, they're just e-thots given a foot in the door by a big tech company (anycolor) that has nothing to lose by doing so. If we're talking corpos, the only ones that are hurt by Anycolor's business model is the so-called "competitors," such as Cover. Their e-thots stream on their own time, often partially using their own money, and Anycolor gets the benefits and name recognition out of it.

>>11046792
Lmao
>implying anyone in NijiEN has any creativity

>>11046868
didn't read plus you're a holobrony lol

What could they have done to make this gen not a flop?

>>11011997
The benefit is being a contrarian.

>>11046981
Drop the theme lore shit and just let them have their own individual lore

>>11046940
Since you didn't read, you apparently missed the part where I actually defended Nijisanji's business model. As expected of SEA.

they get to offpako with me, a high rank nijisanji executive

>>11046868
>implying anyone in NijiEN has any creativity
imagine being a holobrony

>>11046868
I laugh at the anons who cry about how Nijisanji's model doesn't work. Someone graduates? 40 more people will replace them. The cost it took to debut 4 people will already be covered once a mid tier NijiJP has a birthday or falls off his chair or something, all the costs paid for in a single day. They release them into the wind and profit off whatever cut of SC they get, merch, and voice packs.

>>11015235
During one of Lyrica's zatsudan streams (currently privated) she mentioned that Moona told her to try out for Hololive. I don't remember if it was for Holo ID specifically but I do remember Moona trying to get her to take the corpopill.

>>11034159
No, because they're releasing short videos before their debuts to keep the Youtube algorithm from nerfing them. They're still getting slower sub growth than Obsydia though.

what do you think lyrica is gonna do once she realizes that the average burger is gonna get filtered hard by her flip accent despite being better at grammar and vocab than ID? She threw away 100k subs with regular akasupa goslings of Hong Kongers, Argentines, and the occasional rich flip.

>>11047315
lol
lmao

>>11047330
Exactly. It's even beneficial to the livers themselves, because whenever Nijisanji needs publicity for that extra yen, it's the Livers they turn to. It's really symbiotic, compared to, say, the almost parasitic way Cover treats its streamers.

>>11047330
The Nijisanji business model works, but they could do better. They put shit-tier effort into promoting their brand in ID and KR. ID got mogged by MAHA5 in terms of pulling in native audiences and half of their members are just EN-lite. KR did jack shit to take in the Korean audience and even Hololive with its zero Korean pandering managed to get more Koreans interested in it through a dumb rumor about Watson than any of KR's efforts. Both branches are technically profitable, but it says something when the most successful members of both branches pander either to JP or EN audiences.

>>11014274
We all know niji members only got in because of nepotism.

>nijicopers convincing themselves that their corpo has soul
>when they pop out new vtubers like a factory on meth instead of focusing on a group and letting them grow before moving on to the next gen

>>11047514
I mean if they survive from listening to Kiara, they can survive from anything, yes flip accent included

>>11014274
>Okay fine, Nijisanji is the 2nd biggest EN Vtuber corporation that you actually have a chance of joining without having inside connections.
DYRBI??

>>11048882
It's funny that you replied like this without a single shred of irony.

>>11033964
Source for bigger SC cut?

>>11011997
having good avatars and not being a nigger like Sana.

>>11047514
>better at grammar and vocab
lol, look at her twitter, full of esl tweet

>>11047501
No their subs got culled this morning too

>>11014274
Every single niji hire has been either one of pomu's friends or Finana's friends, what are you talking about

>>11048329
Nijisanji has soul because it's sink or swim, if you're good people will watch you, if you suck you can't rely on management coddling you into forced collabs

>>11011997
You get benefits for watching vtubers? Which vtuber will provide me with paid holidays?

>>11051217
Moira and Aki was a bottom tier Nijisanji yet Chihiro actually stopped playing Apex to play Minecraft with them every week. Hajime have the most anti and also low tier Nijisanji but that didn't stop him from getting 3D. Sayo only stream once a month yet she participated in Nijirock fest and will get her 3D soon. Gilzaren never even stream in his own channel and only collab with several vtuber like Noraneko.

>>11032250
>Giving out fair opinion = cope
The state of holobronies