/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

I'm shivering in my boots at the new set of NijiENs. I think they might sniff 22k on debut.

Dudul's video only has 26K views but 12K likes and over 700 comments. Is he getting throttled too? Youtube is so damn opaque with how it handles numbers now. I'd be annoyed as hell if it were my main source of income

>>11018278
definitely throttled, especially because he doesnt put out content regularly like a slave

>>11018156
22k subs before debut? or 22k viewers for their debut stream?
NijiEN already had established 6 Chuubas, attaining both of these should be given by now.
However, things are looking grim but we'll see. They might break expectations somehow

>>11018278
It's weird that it hasn't taken off, sometimes the algorithm isn't your friend.

Get some help for your premature ejaculation anon, the old thread isn't archived yet

>>11018278
that ratio is pretty weird yea, i wonder is susan does the slow verification on uploads just like it does for stream vods

>>11018156
>I think they might sniff 22k on debut.

>>11018347
Better than having three threads clogging up the catalogue

>>11018448
AFAIK the only other person making threads on the regular is this humble servant, and I always wait until the thread is in the last position on the catalog to ensure I can bump it off with the new one.

No need to announce the new thread on the old from now on, I’ll wait at least 5 min after archiving before making a new one so there is no confusion

Ark: numbers poison
>YES OR NO?
DISCUSS

>>11018547
Or we can do it my way and avoid having multiple threads for certain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK3Lev1A2NY
Polka has a Phony cover premiering tonight.

Polka being one of the first Holos to cover FoTM songs, as is tradition.
Holos in general being fashionable late to cover trends (Fuwa's cover was 2 months ago and Chima's already has 4 mil views), also as is tradition.

>>11018684
>and avoid having multiple threads for certain
It just ensure having multiple threads depending on how long it takes to archive the old one.

Just take a leap of faith: there aren’t more than two people doing it. The one with wacky hentai quote pics (myself) and you yourself.

Try it next thread and you’ll see no issue, bump the thread off the catalog with the new one

>>11018278
Yeah it's weird but whatever.
Good thing YT is not my main source of income. It's not worth it and never will be for animation. It's more of a "extra pocket money"
I had fun doing it, kept my promise to vergilanon and so long Gura sees it that's all I care about

>>11018674
That;s average numbers for Maimoto solo streams.
ARK has given people like Ars and Himawari big noombers, as well as whoever is doing something weird like when that Nijiguy got stuck on a rock and got 10k+.

>>11018674
it was a good buff 2-3 weeks ago.

>>11018278
If he is doing this for money he's a dumbass. A freelance animator can charge a hundred dollars per second of animation, there is literally zero chance any of these animators are getting their money's worth from doing these hololive videos.

>>11018730
>implying people with actual artistic talent would ever partake in this wretched number focused hive of scum and villainy
In the off chance, you for sure must get better numbers in the YouTube Creator Studio than the peons get on the public view

>>11018674
Aki will be playing Minecraft again, let's see if she can get above 5k again.

>>11018674
Like most game "arcs", huge buff in the beginning before decaying as interest fades/saturation happens.

Let's use Honhima as an example since she's the one responsible for the recent NijiArk revival.
Stream 1: 10k peak
https://playboard.co/en/video/0BsDn4HSkMU
Stream 2: 6.9k peak
https://playboard.co/en/video/Fd57dWDGyFg
Stream 3: 7.7k peak
https://playboard.co/en/video/H6XNx7-WLdk

Last 3 ARK streams:
10/01: 6.2k peak
https://playboard.co/en/video/JF8D9mThaQE
10/03: 3.2k peak
https://playboard.co/en/video/5rdzz4W6frs
10/06: 3.7k peak
https://playboard.co/en/video/MM5MM7sGaWs

Lauren has also seen a pretty notable decline in his Ark numbers since he started spamming it.
It might see an incline again when the popular Nijimales start playing it again and creating narratives.

>>11018755
>ARK has given people like Ars and Himawari big noombers
>>11018791
>it was a good buff 2-3 weeks ago
That’s the thing: based on Aki and Choco I suspect the game is terribly addictive for the players but with a steep drop off curve for the audience enjoyment, resulting in a short peak followed by a huge period of poor numbers, average or worse

>>11018803
41k there atm

>>11018730
Well no doubt she will. Just like some fan content can't be bought for any price, having one of your favorites know your name on sight and admire your work on stream no less, not even whales can buy that.

>>11018844
See >>11018846
That’s my point too, players enjoy the game for longer than the audience

>Sana sub count rise quicker than usual
>All according to the keikaku

>>11018858
The conclusion in this thread for the most part is
>fast growth in any metric (subs, views, CCV) result in a freeze and in the AI bots kicking in to weed out what it identifies as bots
>after it does it’s thing it releases whatever metric it froze “in batches”

>>11018317
>22k viewers for their debut stream?
This. 25k is not outside the realm of possibility.

>However, things are looking grim but we'll see
No. I can't see why you think it's grim. I think it looks good.

>>11018877
She appeared on Sora’s POV today too

>>11018799
Handdrawn is 10-25K/minute, so yeah that's about the right. Assuming $3/K your average animated video needs around 30M views just to break even. Even good animated Mv's like Marines have to be passion projects, accent animated illustrations are just way more cost-effective.

>>11018729
There's 3 people then
I'm the anon who uses a random Playboard ranking as bait during slow days

>>11018874
Just my subjective opinion, but I can't watch Ark at all.
The game runs and looks like shit. The "gameplay" looks jank as fuck too.
I hope HoloEN never goes through an ARK arc. The numbers will probably be bad anyways.

>>11018962
There is something that is gained by doing it that can’t be bought tho: Dudul’s name is widely known beyond what even some established and well paid animators names are.

Assuming he can turn name recognition in free publicity to his work he gains even more then the enjoyment he already declared to be his current drive. There is no guarantee tho.

All I know is that his work get 6 digits views even in platforms most people don’t even know it exists
https://coub.com/view/2sfmxt

>>11018730
Oh shit it's the man himself. Sorry you lost the algo lottery, the video is really good. Although these videos don't always start off on the right foot i guess.

>>11019071
WTF even is this platform?!? I've never heard of it and it has six figure views?

I wonder if Dudul'd feel comfortable letting us know if his commission rate/price went up after his Hololive exposure? Exposure is a bit of meme for creatives but there's truth to it sometimes.

>>11018730
Holy shit the dude himself
Great work as always, Gura looks super cute and the whole thing brings a tear to my eye.

>>11018943
Is pointing to be less than obsidyan
so it does tell about stagnation and slowdown for the branch.

Wouldnt surprise me if that literal embodiment of the pedo gura fan stereotype is actually /here/

>>11019236
Only because of Susan voodoo. The debuts will have good turn out and that will improve subs, engagement, and the average CCV for the entire branch. Them not having 50k dead subs is okay. Council did worse than IRyS but you don't see people hooting like monkeys about the holo decline over it.

>>11019016
Yeah but that’s to rare and you actually check the catalog to avoid duplicating

>>11019378
>but you don't see people hooting like monkeys about the holo decline over it.
Anon...

>>11019378
>Council did worse than IRyS
Irys got 91k for her debut. The only Council who did worse is Sana who started the relay and still got 85k.
>but you don't see people hooting like monkeys about the holo decline over it.
"People" lie about Council numbers and harp about decline here everyday.
I consider these faggots subhuman, but they're still technically people.

Regardless, people thinking Ethyria isn't going to even get 13-15k for their debuts like Obsidyan are setting themselves up for reverse disappointment.
NijiEN managed to scrouge up 8k people for a full branch collab, which was something they couldn't do with just Lazulight.
There has been some growth, altho it's debatable how much.

>>11019378
>Only because of Susan voodoo
they only got slashed 500 and were still under obsidian 24hr by 4-3k

>>11019136
>I've never heard of it and it has six figure views?
kek, Ruskie meme site. 10 seconds video overlaid with audio, spiritual successor of Vine

>>11019671
you have exact numbers?
Obsydia's numbers after 24hr:
>Rosemi 16k
>Selen 16k
>Petra18k

After 48hr
>Rosemi: 20k
>Selen: 20k
>Petra: 23k

And this are Lazulights:
24hr Numbers
>Elira: 14.6k
>Pomu: 13.5k
>Finana: 13.4k

48hr Numbers
>Elira: 9.78k (Susan'd)
>Pomu: 8.66k (Susan'd)
>Finana: 16.7k

>>11019846
13.7K for mina and nina
13.1k for rendou
and 12.8k for the last one

>>11019846
With confirmed -500 or more for each of them, so 14.2k, 14.2k, 13.6k and 13.3k Pretty similar to Lazulight.

>>11020327
meant to quote: >>11019971

>>11019971
>>11019846
>>11018943
This is why i said its looking grim.
I know subs aren't everything but there's only a few hours left before the 48hr mark and they barely beat Lazulight's sub.
I'm not doomposting or trying to start shit btw. Just stating what i observed.

Bluray sales.

>>11020421
Bloom and first fest are reissues?

>>11020421
Only 1st fes I think.

>>11020413
Just wait. Everyone knows they're debuting whether or not they're subbed. Relax. I think things are looking fine, there's just 4 this time so the interest distribution is spread out. Pre debut sub numbers mean very little.

>>11020659
>anon in charge of quoting
This is your brain on numbers

>>11020413
They are all above Lazulight 48hr number already (except Enna who is just 200 subs behind Finana), so it's not too bad. Both of them got their subs slashed and we don't know how many besides a reliable -500 figure for each, so it's still good.

I’ll post this again
* THE EMA AIZAWA LINE *
>50k pre-debut
>100k 8 days later

Whoever fail to beat this line will more likely then not fail to beat her other metrics

>>11020784
Here are her numbers
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCPkKpOHxEDcwmUAnRpIu-Ng/videos

Her median of peaks for October is
>4,363
and her average of peaks is
>5,635

And she already got a 10k this month too. This is successful by any metrics, meaning it’s a high hurdle to beat.
It serves to temper the expectations tho, that’s a STEEP hurdle to beat

>>11020784
>>11020834
She had a rrat about her being a famous celebrity going on. Runa isn't doing so hot in comparison.

Almost 600k damn another easy 1m for Kuzuha

>>11020834
Ya wtf
Those are numbers NijiEN dreams of getting.
IIRC, half of NijiEN has never gotten 5k+ outside of their debuts.

>>11021122
>checks time
> almost 7am JST
> 9 hour stream of pure Apex
Can't say he doesn't work hard

>>11021122
vampire sleep schedule

>>11021122
Did he finish yet? 9 hours, 14k min CCV, good haul for his hours watched trophy case~
>>11020972
>She had a rrat about her being a famous celebrity going on. Runa isn't doing so hot in comparison.
Whatever rrat she had wouldn't last a full month after debut. She's doing well mostly because, well, whatever she's doing right

People complain about the unrealistic expectations of being compared to Hololive and I agree 100%. Ema is a good benchmark of success, not as unrealistic as Hololive but high enough to serve as a goal

>>11021273
>>11021252
Is heis back still hurtinng? and i mean literally not metaphorically.

>>11018858
>41k there atm
Public number is at 38k with 15k likes. Whatever is going on seriously froze the view counter

>>11020421
Aren't those like 80-100$ each?

>>11019136
He's working on an official Gura animation, which will be used during her 3D debut this November/December

>>11021374
What, he had a back problem?

>>11021122
Fuwa thanks him for a very juicy 20k peak.
Wtf he streamed for 9 hours too.
https://playboard.co/en/video/ihlc6xC8D2Q

>>11021683
I recall a zatsu some weeks ago where he speak of back pain but i dont watch kuzu a lot i was just there since i had it open to check on the vod views behaviors on stream

>How engagement metrics are counted
https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2991785

>YouTube engagement metrics (views, likes, dislikes, and subscriptions) reflect how many times a video or channel has been interacted with. These metrics can be an important measure of your video or channel’s overall popularity.

>We want to make sure that your metrics are high quality and come from actual humans and not computer programs. It takes our systems some time to figure out which views, likes, dislikes, and subscriptions are legitimate.

>Note: It may take time for your metrics to appear in our system during the first few hours your video is published.

>Change in metrics

>After legitimate engagement events are counted, your metric count should update more often.
>The timing of these changes varies depending on a video or channel's popularity and viewership.
>Keep in mind that we're constantly confirming and adjusting engagement events.

>On some videos and channels, your metric count might seem frozen or not show the metrics that you expect.
>Metrics are algorithmically confirmed to maintain fair and positive experiences for content creators, advertisers, and viewers.
>To verify that metrics are accurate, YouTube may temporarily slow down, freeze, or change your metric count, and discard low-quality playbacks.

>Note: Using several devices to watch the same video and streaming the same video across several windows and tabs are examples of low-quality playbacks.

>>11021709
Because the time Fuwa opened his stream Kuzuha was playing Pummel Party and Apex at the same time, didn't have an Apex frame up.

>>11021832
Ya that's what I meant.
Technically "illegal views funneling" but it's funny as fuck that Kuzuha was playing Apex with his team at the same time as group collab.

>>11021939
>funny as fuck that Kuzuha was playing Apex with his team at the same time as group collab.
Goes to show how invested he was in the group collab kek.
Reminds me of that meme
>My feet hurt
>I wish I was playing APEX with my clan
Except he was actually playing it

>people actually watch Kuzuha in these threads

So Kanae is still giving twitch a try, albeit getting some midget numbers. Why the fuck doesn't NijiEN do the same? I'm pretty sure they can grow more there since they won't be competing with holoEN's grip on the youtube algorithm.

>>11022158
Wow, people watch entertaining vtubers, shocking.

>>11022158
Not really, we're just looking back on his VOD/checking him out when he's streaming to see what's going on when there's a number spike.

Although I guess that's more than kuzushitposters who don't even bother opening the stream and just screencap Nijimado.

>>11022158
Not really, we're just looking back on his VOD/checking him out when he's streaming to see what's going on when there's a number spike. He does manage to make Apex entertaining and I'm never bored whenever I do open his streams.

Although I guess that's more than kuzushitposters who don't even bother opening the stream and just screencap Nijimado.

>>11022343
Lmao

>>11022335
Kanae's been on Twitch for a while. Nijisanji KR straddles Youtube and Twitch, providing almost exclusively Korean content on Twitch thanks to the audience. EN seems to be content with Youtube.
>>11022343
Just interesting to me.

>>11022335
Because then they'll be competing with VShoujo and the other twitch streamers that converted to Vtubing, also bathtub sluts. At which point they have 2 options, either try to outslut VShoujo (Ha!) or try to offer something different which being honest here they don't. Also, twitch discoverability is even more shit than Susantube so good luck with that. Only reason why Peko and Miko can go to twitch and get the Numbers they do is because they're big enough that the audience will follow them instead of the other way around.

>>11022335
Because the audience they're trying to get (Hololive's) is on Youtube.

>>11017978
Holy shit this image is almost 20 years old.

>>11022158
just like pretty much every other vtuber discussed in here, the people who actually watch him aren't the ones who shitpost using his name/numbers lol

>>11022599
>Because then they'll be competing with VShoujo and the other twitch streamers
EN VTubers are already are competing with Hololive and VShojo. Besides, people will watch who they find more entertaining, so it’s expected that there will be winners and losers regardless of where they go.
>they must try to outslut VShoujo or…
They only need try to be entertaining. Just because you think all female sexuality = VShojo, doesn’t mean most people think that way.

Having said that, I don’t think they need to move to Twitch.

They lost subs again. I think it was 500 again.

>>11025111
Anon, screenshots kudasai. Lets come back to their page after a bit and see what happens.

Holo EN numbers

>>11025111
>same time as yesterday
impeccable timing as always susan

>>11025360
next is a unch of overlap
i say 17k for gura DMC4
bae mad rrat would be 4k max, not sure why she just didn't choose to play it again in the same timslot she originally did.
Sana Will get 8k maybe depending if ame and kroni also shcduel her MC at the same time.

>>11024505
>EN VTubers are already are competing with Hololive and VShojo.
Really? That's like saying your local highschool team competes with the Milwaukee Bucks. Sure you might find watching them entertaining but they're not at the level of Hololive. I would've said that Nijisanji EN was too big to be compared to indies too but with how little hype wave 3 has, I'm not even confident enough to say that.

>They only need try to be entertaining. Just because you think all female sexuality = VShojo, doesn’t mean most people think that way.
Oh sorry. I forgot thay they also do YouTube react videos too. The only 2 people worth a damn in VShoujo is Moussey because she actually is really
talented and Mel who despite being a camgirl in chaterbate is actually endearing compared to the rest of the failed comedians over there.

>>11025111
The AI always makes it the same amount for each channel regardless of the number of subscribers. It’s why it was more impactful to Sana, because her channel was already smaller than the others, leading to a greater percentage loss.

>>11025360
Please delege this image

>>11025360
reclining...

>>11025111
Does omega count as tutorial boss?

>>11025544
>That's like saying your local highschool team competes with the Milwaukee Bucks
Are you suggesting that talent gotten by Niji is always inferior to Hololive and VShojo? So inferior in fact, that no one would choose them over the others? Meaning zero competition? I’m not trying to trap you into anything, but rather I’m trying to understand your mindset.
>The only 2 people worth a damn in VShoujo is Moussey and Mel
You’re giving me your preference. If you are talking popularity, Nyanners would be included in it.

>>11025670
Didn't know he had a channel.
I wonder what kind of content/posts will he posts

>>11025111
I think they lost a little more than 500 subs compared to yesterday. I remember Millie was at 18.6k a few hours ago

>>11025847
Hoping it would be like what A-chan does on holo main channel, one month activity recap or something

>>11025605
They are doing fine. It’s just that the debut buff is gone, and they are likely competing a bit for viewers.

>>11025921
This. As long as that design doesn't go to waste.

>>11025847
All youtube accounts have channels.

>>11025818
For NijiEN, I'll say yes. Not everyone mind you, after all there's a reason why Selen is above her genmates in CCV. As for indies. There's a reason why most of them are a bunch of 2views. There are talented indies of course but they tend to be overshadowed by clout chasers like Domo and Artemis. And let's be honest here. Is it really that far off to say that at least 80% of all indie VTubers are not exactly talented or charismatic. We all can't be special you know. I'll admit that I'm more than likely being biased based on taste when it comes to Vshoujo so I'm not gonna contest you on that.

>>11025360
The "professional ASMRer" is barely getting more viewers than what Hakase did in hers. How is that possible? Is Eddy really that much of a debuff?

>>11026387
I doubt that kind of information is widespread among the EN fanbase. I can only see it affecting gachikoi who make up a small minority of viewers.

09:30 AM (JST)
Gura - DMC4

10:30 AM
Baelz - Mad Rat Dead

11:00 AM
Mori Unarchived Karaoke

12:00 AM
Kronii - MC Collab
Ame - MC Collab

01:00 PM
IRyS - Little Nightmares

It would be funny if this were tomorrow's schedule against NijiEN debut

>>11026374
I think you are being unreasonable. I could easily see many of the current HoloENs being in NijiEN and still not being remarkable or getting high viewers, and many of the NijiENs being in Holo Gen1 and ending up with over 1 million views. The Holo label does a lot of the lifting, particularly from the success of JP. EN1 had viewers before debut, rather than earning them all slowly from hard work and talent.

You could easily trade Selen for Bae, although Gura is an exception here, in that you cannot really trade her for anyone. My point was that the Holo label does a lot of the heavy lifting.

The scariest mindset that some of the posters have here is a thought that an indie with 2 views cannot be actually talented and worthy.

>>11027119
I'd add Mori to that. I don't even particularly like her but I don't see any other corporate EN chuuba doing what she does.

>>11026985
If Management actually want to sabotage Ethyria Debuts then this is schedule should've been for tomorrow.
DBD Collab looks cool as well but today's sched is much better

>>11027216
1 out of 5000 maybe.

>>11027119
Too an extent but if that were the case then Anya and Iofi wouldn't be stuck where they are right now. Myth by themselves are better than anything NijiEN has to offer in terms of talent and charisma. And yes, I'm including Kiara despite finding her voice grating. You might have a better argument with Council but even then it's hard to see anyone other than Selen being able to compete with them.

>>11027216
A VTuber in Hololive has more subs and success before debut (before proving themselves) while those sub numbers and success get confused for talent. I do point out talent when I see it though, and Gura is talented streamer IMO.

>>11027427
>if that were the case then Anya and Iofi wouldn't be stuck where they are right now
If Anya had been part of HoloEN Gen1 she would have over a million views right now. Her live viewers would also be significantly higher. I think most people realize this when giving it a little thought. Even if you were to argue that Gura was carrying her whole Gen, what I said would still remain true regardless.

>>11027119
It's funny that people forget that many holos used to be midgets before being propped up by clips and the yt algorithm. Pekora herself was less popular than Selen for a good while.

>>11027501
Considering that whoever is in council beat out like 6000 other people they probably have some talent.

>>11027818
>Pekora herself was less popular than Selen for a good while
Are you really using data from 2 years ago to compete with a chuuba in 2021?

>>11027881
The only difference between her and Pekora is that she didn't have as much of an exposure when it comes to clips and the yt algorithm in general.

Today's superchats

>>11027964
That new VOMS girl got her monetisation quite fast.

>>11027964
the new Voms is monetized already?

>>11027938
I hope you realize that comparing a chuuba to another 2 years ago isn't exactly a good comparison.

>>11027818
The youtube algorithm is dominated by Hololive for ENs. Pekora's numbers inclined every month until she was getting 15k, Selen's numbers have gone down since debut. They are not comparable at all.

>>11028065
>vtuber debuting when Hololive wasn't big yet got better numbers than debut, compared to vtuber debuting in a years old company
WTF?! Crazy.

>>11027817
Mumei's roommate account has more subscribers than any NijiEN will be able to get before this niche dies

>>11028065
It's proof that 'talent' or 'entertainment value' doesn't immediately net you views and it's mostly down to clips and algorithm luck. Unless we're talking about Mito, this is true for almost everyone in the industry.

>>11027753
No she wouldn't. Anya is the best example of a Holo charity-case. I have no idea how the hell she got in and is the main reason why I'm a bit nervous as to who HoloID Management is gonna pick for Gen 3. Hell, Anya's Niji equivalent, Petra, is another example. Despite the Nijibuff (as small as it is), having the best model out of Obsydia (just look at Selens giraffe neck), and having the most subs pre-debut of anyone from NijiEn, she is now the 2nd to the last on total subs and dead last in CCV. I assure you if you give that model to anyone from NijiEn, even fucking Finana, they would be at 200k subs right now.

>>11027753
lol anya would do worse than Sana in EN, easily

>>11028296
Kuzuha is oozing in talent and entertainment value and is also drowning in views.
Stop making excuses for your untalented 2view indie whore

>>11028253
Her account was a sub graveyard.

>>11028216
It shows that Pekora's trajectory was always trending up whereas Selen's has been trending down. Pekora didn't debut to a brand new company, Cover and Hololive had been around for a while and Pekora's numbers went up and up before the clip boom. I'm not commenting on the quality of either streamer, I'm just saying they are not comparable in any way.

stop replying to the nijicoper

VOMS new guy will have his monetization stream soon. Will he get lower numbers than the girl or he already attracted fujos? Will VOMS become manjisanji lite?

>>11028384
Kuzuha said he wouldn't be where he is if it wasn't for luck, the timing of his debut, and collabs.
https://youtu.be/9Fjw6PfshBM

>>11028296
I know that Hololive did build off of clips and hitting jackpot with the algorithm but saying that Pekora doesn't have any talent and crediting all of it to clippers and algorithm is just bullshit.
In fact she built her audience from the ground start.
After clips the chubba themselves needs to be entertaining otherwise they would not have any staying power in the industry. Pekora is top tier in CCV for a reason

>>11028474
He will. No fujo viewers yet, only EOPs who unfortunately cannot even understand him.

>>11028488
That’s called being humble.

>>11028493
Pekora and Gura are top for a very simple reason: they pander to and appeal to children. It's very easy to be successful on youtube when you target the kiddy audience and they know this.

>>11027964
Shuba I kneel again

>>11028474
Who the fuck would he be fujo with? Gyari?

>>11028606
If it's so fucking easy then why are there only two people doing it with so much success. Just take the L, Selen is a good talent but she isn't a star and never will be one. She will have to settle for being the best ball player in the minor leagues.

>>11028384
Lol damn, Just how much do you worship him?

>>11028606
First, there's nothing wrong with that.
Second, just because Pekora gets good numbers in MC doesn't mean she panders to kids? Or did you take her "family friendly channel" joke seriously?

>>11027964
>$33k
>93k CCV
>only 570k on VOD
It was a poor performance for what it should have been. I expected more. I'm very dissapointed.

>>11028660
it's just another anon using fujoshi when he wants to say women

>>11028350
>No she wouldn't
Give me your prediction for Anya’s sub count if she was put into HoloEN Gen1 with the same exact design, and why it would be lower than people like Kiara. Also explain why you don’t think the success of Gura was carrying Kiara and others. Or why the EN brand popularity couldn’t carry Anya when it could carry others.
>Petra is another example
You’re proving my case for me. If Anya would have been the Petra equivalent but for a HoloEN Gen2, she would still have a shit ton of subs relative to her fellow Gen numbers. For example: Petra doesn’t have 1/8th of the subs of her Gen. Whether she is carried or not is a different matter as well.

If you want to say Gura was doing much of the lifting for her Gen, I’m open to that possibility.

>>11028705
kys so you won't be disappointed ever again.

>>11027818
This was way before Youtube took action against view botting which was very prevalent during Nijisanji's golden era.

>>11028598
But it's the truth, he was overshadowed by other guys until he blew up due to weather deck and ARK clips. You can be talented or funny all you want, if no one notices you you'll be among the sea of mid to low tier performers.

>>11028488
Ever heard of impostor syndrome? Actually talented people doubt themselves because they "feel" as if they don't deserve their success.

>>11028751
You haven’t even been there at that time to see what you’re talking about, anon.

>>11028665
Selen is as easily as entertaining as Pekora and a far better gamer than Botan, she would be at least 10k CCV if she enjoyed hololive's clip and algorithm luck

>>11028606
If they want to get big numbers they have to make content for dumb people, that's how things work

>>11027119
ID2 debuts had similar amount of audience as EN1. The label will bring eyes, but it's up to the talents to keep them at bay.

>>11028859
Now that’s a bait

>>11028859
>easily as entertaining as Pekora and a far better gamer than Botan
That's just your opinion though.

>>11028804
But can you explain how a talented person streaming to no one is supposed to get noticed?

>>11028859
A retard's opinion.

>>11028859
Bro, your tastes aren't numbers. Show empirical evidence of her having that potential or trends that can show that she has a bright future. All I see is her CCV losing 200 a month. Dealing in alt history is a fool's errand since its hard to separate emotion from likelihood.

>>11028705
niji cope.

>>11028859
Too bad Holobronies would never find enjoyment in Selen's streams because she refuses to make brain dead kiddie content, and that's why she's better than any whore Cover shits out

>>11028919
First part may be opinion but second is objectively quantifiable she is a Predator in Apex while Botan is a fraud

>>11028873
EOP for Holo are less likely to continue to watch non-EN streamers, even if they are willing to at times check it out.

>>11028751
That happened December last year. And "Niji golden era" was not different from today in terms of views. They are still just as popular as ever even with hololive flooding the algorithm.

>>11029034
Numbers thread, not "muh opinion" thread.
>>11029037
And Selen got what, last place in that tourney she was supposed to show off her godly FPS skills Selenfags keeps boasting about. What gives?

>>11029034
This must be a Selen anti since no one would post this drivel on good faith.

>>11028941
If they are truly talented, they will be noticed. Kuzuha got noticed by a major company despite being an indie and look at where we are today.

>>11028784
Kazuha owed a lot of his career to Coco for popularizing Ark to nips that's why he sent some very heartfelt message to the latter during her graduation announcement.

>>11029123
The deck was stacked against her in every possible way in the last tournament, you don't even watch streams

>>11029123
Sorry, forgot you retards need numbers so your monkey brains can start turning.
>928
>78389
>25865
>845

>>11029184
And excuses.
Yes, I'm a Holo JP only fag, is there a problem with that?

Since when does Apex skill = views

>>11029135
>people stating facts are antis because I don't have a proper argument
Nice try Holofaggot, that only works on other Hololive retards

>>11029234
This isn't /tribal/, this is /#/. Use numbers to make points. Unquantifiable things like your personal entertainment value are not subject to any analytics and have no merit.

>>11029309
since entertainment = numbers apparently

>>11028384
He's streaming for people who can waste 8 hours everyday watching the same fucking game
Most Vtubers don't have a viewer's base with an IQ that low

>>11029309
>>11029367
Kuzuha sucks at Apex yet look at him.

>>11028736
I don't like doing gypsy predictions but if I'm gonna take a stab at it, Anya would be at 600k. Maybe 700k if I'm being really generous. 500k of which she would have gotten from being carried by the HoloEn brand. After that, it would be a slow and hard climb. If she debuted I'm council she'd perform equal to Sana in the first 1-2 months before Sana pulled away just for being more engaging. I'm basing that on how slow her current growth is right now. You underestimate just how much of a charisma void Anya is. There are times when I think that she does it on purpose like Risu, only people know that Risu is talented at singing while Anya is just there. Also, saying that Gura carried all of myth is BS. Last time I checked, Gura wasn't the one who did all those drawings for Ina, or recorded all those songs for Mori, or made all those zany streams for Ame. Even Kiara has fucking holotalk.

>>11029374
It is normal on Twitch kek

Gura wouldn’t have 3 million subs if she wasn’t a shark. Little kids search for Baby Shark song and accidentally subscribe to Gura. This fact is supported by her rather low CCV and her performing bad superchats-wise.

>>11029034
>Too bad Holobronies would never find enjoyment in Selen's streams because she refuses to make brain dead kiddie content, and that's why she's better than any whore Cover shits out
This cannot be a real post. I’m the one who said in this thread that the Hololive label does much of the heavy lifting for the resulting numbers, but your post is completely useless to the thread. I’m guessing you are probably the Pomu poster? Are you actually anti-Niji? I honestly cannot tell.

>>11029234
Tf are these numbers supposed to mean.

End of a life - Mori 1.5M 7 days

>>11029849
Solid numbers, can't wait to see how her next release does. Is it this month or next?

>>11029096
Why are EOPs less likely to watch them? Because they are not charismatic enough to keep them around. EOPs who keep watching HoloJP for a long time already turned JSL to varying degrees. JOPs who keep watching EN for a long time already turned ESL to varying degrees. Some EOPs and JOPs turned ISL after watching ID, too, but numbers are much smaller since they are not as charismatic as the other branches.

>>11029929
This month's original is a collab song outside of Hololive, almost 99% confirmed to be Boogey Voxx. Won't be on her channel though.

>>11029581
Just ignore him. He's just an underaged retard, probably a seaniggers too. Used to see a lot of those in college who'd jump around like monkeys when they get noticed in forums. Either that or he's a tranny like that one guy who sperged out when an anon here suspected that he was molested by a relative or someshit.

>>11029412
>Maybe 700k subs for Anya if she was in HoloEN Gen1.
700k is a lot, but I think Anya would actually have at least slightly more than Kiara based on her design. That people will think “cute”, and the rest is meaningless. Did Mumei need to talk much at first? No, not really. But she’s “cute” and in Hololive.
>If she debuted I'm council she'd perform equal to Sana in the first 1-2 month
Sana did badly before debut because of her design. Anya would have had lots of subs (off the Gen2 hype) before even her debut date. Think about it.
>I'm basing that on how slow her current growth is right now
That defeats the point of this thought experiment. I don’t care about where she was before.
>Gura wasn't the one who did all those drawings for Ina
So Ina drawing means 1 million subs, while others who can draw well outside of Hololive don’t deserve that number of subs? Face it, Ina was also being carried by the Holo label.
>Even Kiara has fucking holotalk
Oh boy, I guess that explains her sub count. She can speak Japanese! No one else can do that!

>>11030042
oh yeah... it's on the 10th right?

>>11030042
Hopefully Boogey Voxx will get some boost from that, they’re good.

>>11030089
Yeah. I'm fully expecting it to get announced here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-RepNmUnPw

>>11030106
They got a huge boost from their remix of RIP if I remember right, I imagine this will also help a lot.

>>11029122
So they stagnated is what you're saying.

>>11030106
I wish Ci would release her own covers. I like Bogey Vox, but even I can admit that Fra is the one dragging the whole team down. He should just be relegated to a producer/manager role or something

i don't know if it's relevant or not, but there's like an excess fanart and shilling from these SEA holoartists to the new nijiEN fox girl SPECIFICALLY. Is it the design that's appealing to them, or they used to be in a clique or friends before reincarnating and decides to boost her some more?

>>11030302
Because she's pandering hard to mommy enthusiasts

>>11030139
It's pre-CCV cut numbers, so kinda tricky to compare. The baseball tourney VOD number is significantly higher than last year's tourney despite both only having 10k difference in peak CCV.

>>11030139
Better stagnating than crashing and burning
Holo-
16k -> 12k = 25% drop
Niji-
8k -> 7k = 12% drop
More indisputable proof that the Holo bubble has burst

>>11030302
how tf do you even track that? And how do you know who's SEA? Either way they have based taste

>>11030232
wtf do you mean, Fra is great and their voices are complementing each other perfectly, but it's okay if Ci decides to branch out.

>>11030302
>Chinks and Seaniggers draw HoloCouncil
>That means they are actually entertaining and talented!
>Seaniggers draw NijiWave3
>ILLEGAL VIEW FUNNELING! NIJI MUST BE PAYING FOR ADS! NEPOTISM BAD

>11030412
>%
Again with percentages. So indies who went from 2 views to 20 views got a 1000% increase and they're the top of the world now?

>>11030552
>I don't like numbers when it doesn't suit my narrative that Holo is best company ever
Eat shit Holofaggot.

>>11030658
no one but Nijifags uses percentages.
lol

>>11030428
because i follow a bunch of them and they sometimes post in flip and indog, and they seem to have a discord group called the horsemen.
I followed them just for their art, but they keeps posting their in-jokes in public contantly and it makes me cringe uncontrollably every time it appeared in my timeline.

>>11030552
That's a common coping method done by nijiniggers. They'll drag holo numbers down to the worst position even if it means that nijisanji will be at the second worst position just to one up holo.

>>11030409
CCV cut affects EN, JP is not affected by it.

>>11030734
What the fuck does a fanart discord group have to do with numbers??

>>11030785
JP is affected, but less than EN. There was that screenshot comparing Gura, Pekora and Kuzuha, and even Pekers and Kuzu were affected.

>>11030809
hey, i'm just answering that anon's question with added reasoning and opinions, sorry for that.

>>11030658
Are nijinigs really this dumb?
I swear their desperation is getting even obvious.

If Euthyria break past 20k viewers in debut i predict they'll bombard the thread how much success is that while shitting on Council forgetting they got 90k (except Sana who got 85k)

>>11030552
At a certain point percentages become a big deal and we can derive an understanding from them. Your example is very dishonest as we're not dealing in two view quantities.

>>11030085
I think you're underestimating how much each talent's skills and personality contribute and overestimating the effect design has in the long run.
Design is important for garnering early interest, but if the other factors aren't there, you'll fall off in growth in the long term.
It's also really, really difficult to try and use Holomyth to compare to any other group, just because their debut lined up so perfectly with so much shit that ended up sending them soaring in terms of growth, and trying to slot another person in and guessing how well they would do is going to necessitate a lot of speculation.

>>11029155
Which he then promptly deleted because he didn't want to offend his Chinese masters.

> "KING is #1!!!"
> Enter /#/ thread, "who cares about number?!"
> Number is stagnant / declining, "Niji is inclining! Slow and steady!"
> "Why won't HoloEN collab with NijiEN?"
> "Fake charts! Fake graphs! Charts are bias because Niji is not #1 in there!"
> "Stop discussing about big numbers! Talk about my favorite stagnant midget instead!"
> "Big numbers are fake! Small numbers are real!"
> "Name the thread holo numbers already! Fuck you!"
>%

>>11031053
Metaposters are as annoying as Kingposters

48 hour
Reimu: 17.4k
Nina: 18.4k
Millie: 18.4k
Enna: 17k
Trailer: 695k

>>11030883
It's not fair to compare a branch that is a year old to one that is fresh. 20k is a big achievement because it will show that interest in the branch has grown. There are plenty of signs this is true.

>>11031158
>695k views 7.5k likes
wwww. Council had 81k likes

You are all fucking retarded for replying to literally one nijishitposter jesus christ this thread

>>11031053
nice strawman

Here's a hint: it's not Nijiniggers who are the ones antagonizing Hololive fans with Kuzuha's numbers whenever he's doing remotely well.

>>11031158
Not bad considering they lost 1000+ subs each. More or less on par with Obysdia barring Petra: >>11019846

>>11030966
>overestimating the effect design
No. I’m saying that within HoloEN Gen1 you would get carried by the hype regardless of design (Kiara for example), further carried by the popularity of Gura, all while the design would be a good bonus. Gen1 was even popular before needing to prove themselves by their own debut.
>their debut lined up so perfectly with so much shit that ended up sending them soaring in terms of growth
Throwing Anya into it, would not mean she wouldn’t also get carried by that rising tide. That’s my point here.

>>11031138
Annoying? Its a good thing to call out the scumposts of those idiots
>>11031158
Obsydia may have got higher subs but atleast Euthyria's trailer got higher views

>>11031353
suuuuuuure

Where did the expectation come from that NijiEN has to do as well as HoloEN which had freak uncontrollable growth Cover itself didn't predict?

>>11031297
And? Council is not the bar they're measured against. Comparisons between HoloEN and NijiEN based on numbers is so open and shut it barely merits any thought.

>>11029037
Botan got Master in Apex and that was like two yrs ago, so whoever tells you otherwise it's lying, then again both Selen and Botan are good but they ended up focusing on different FPS.

Botan left Apex but focused on Rainbow Six, Cod and Battle Front, Selen played Overwatch, Splatoon and then Apex, clearly different focused kind of Fps, just watch Selen's yesterday BF game, she was having a blast but she never played it before, then se Botan explain Towa wtf she has to do in the game.

>>11029034
To each their own tho I love both of them, I enjoy watching Selen and Botan equally and the only thing I'm sad about is that I'll never see them have any collab.

>>11030085
>700k is a lot, but I think Anya would actually have at least slightly more than Kiara based on her design. That people will think “cute”, and the rest is meaningless. Did Mumei need to talk much at first? No, not really. But she’s “cute” and in Hololive.
Being cute can only get you so far. And, although this might just be my personal opinion, Anya's model is not cute. In fact, if it really was a good model, she would have had more subs than Reine at the start. Also, 600-700k subs in the span of 13 months for a member of HoloMyth is underperforming severely. Lest we forget that it only took roughly half a year for Ina and Kiara to get to 1 mil. Something thats probably not gonna get replicated for awhile, even by future EN Gens
>Sana did badly before debut because of her design. Anya would have had lots of subs (off the Gen2 hype) before even her debut date. Think about it.
>Again, she would have been on par with Sana for a bit but like I told you earlier Anya is a charisma vacuum. I'm pretty sure that the veeerrry few fans that Anya has here would agree that Sana would eventually mog her.
>That defeats the point of this thought experiment. I don’t care about where she was before.
Then what do you want me to use as a reference? It's like saying that your uncle would be your aunt if he didn't have a dick.
>So Ina drawing means 1 million subs, while others who can draw well outside of Hololive don’t deserve that number of subs? Face it, Ina was also being carried by the Holo label.
Ina isn't just some YouTube streamer who draws well. She's someone who actually gets hired by corpos. She'd be near the top of the list in terms of drawing talent for either company.
>Oh boy, I guess that explains her sub count. She can speak Japanese! No one else can do that!
Believe when I say that I am not a fan of the orange chicken and I'm doing my very best to provide an objective take on her contributions to Hololive while not letting my dislike for her taint my following statements. Kiara being fluent in multiple languages is a plus but is not the main reason why cover hired her. She was an ex-idol, and the fact that she has such a cult-like following as small as they are relative to her genmates, attest to that fact. In short, she does have charisma. Her being an extrovert and blunt personality was needed to balance out Myth as a group. And she has, more times than I'm willing to admit, helped other myth members to be more extroverted, especially during their first month (results may vary of course). She was basically the equivalent of a JP senpai to myth since they couldn't really ask for help from their actual JP senpai. She is an important cog to the HoloMyth machine. I'm hard-pressed to think of any NijiEn that can fill her shoes, at least based on what they've shown as of the moment.

So yeah, we'll both have to just agree to disagree at this point. You asked for my thought process, there you have it.

>>11031255
Yeah its actually a good achievement but i'm talking about the nijifags that can't celebrate without including shitpost/insult to Holos.

They'll be like "ohhh NijiEN new gen got 20k, HoloEN's time is about to end" all childlike rants but its annoying to see

>>11031541
Do you really believe those are Nijifags? Holy shit

>>11031635
Yes. No one discusses things in bad faith on /vt/ and /#/ is an example of honest discussion.

>>11030785
Looking at these two videos it's hard to say that. Smash tourney had only half of 2020 baseball tourney CCV yet nearly the same amount of VOD views just one week in. I won't compare it with the actual 2021 tourney because it had an extra hour and half in comparison, but it has 1m more views than 2020 tourney.

>>11031635
nta, but I believe that they're NijiEN fags.

>>11031463
Niji is the biggest Vtuber company in Japan. It should stand to reason that should also be the biggest outside

>>11031297
is an ad.
>>11031369
obsidian also got like 1k slashed but only in 1 day.
yet interest is still lower than obsidian. while i think they can match obsidian debut views i dont thin this gen will grow a lot with the current format of nijisanji.

>>11031635
Let's set something straight here. Does it MATTER if it's a Nijifag or falseflagger or your mom posting this shit? Why? If you're a Nijifag, will you be offended and feel targeted if someone says "Why do Nijifags twist Hololive numbers to make their own numbers look better"
Do you post that shit? Then go ahead and feel offended.
Do you refrain from posting that shit? Then move on. I'm saying this as a Nijifag . This is reminding me of Peko vs Gura in the threads, where everyone was obsessed with sniffing out 'actual fans'. Same with spineless Kuzuha watchers who wander into here then feel attacked when everyone's screaming about Kuzuha, they are falling over themselves proving their worth as a 'real fan' to a bunch of autists screeching at numbers, aka literal nobodies.

Pretty slow night today.

Around 30k watching holo EN (3 streams)

>>11031463
Tribalfags and shitposting. Starting from the /jp/ era, Nijisanji was always “the bad guy over there” for Hololive fans. Well, it was the other way too, maybe not as vocal though. So yeah, endless comparisons and “the common enemy” have always existed, along with shitposting. /vt/ nowadays has a somewhat different audience (for worse), but the main traditions of hlg are still strong. In other words, it’s all mostly shitposting and tribalfags. Any reasonable person wouldn’t expect a growth of Nijisanji EN to be as big as Hololive’s. They have clearly started too late.

why didn't the rat catch on...

>>11032115
The fuck!? Are the NijiEN's reading supas or something? Those are insanely low, even for them.

>>11032232
>Any reasonable person wouldn’t expect a growth of Nijisanji EN to be as big as Hololive’s.
People in the comments section of vtuber-matome did.

OKAY, enough of this non-numbers bullshit. NUMBERS TIME FOR HOLOEN!
Mori - Angst Karaoke, 14k and rising
Gura - DMC 4, 13.4k, dropped from 15k+ when Mori started
Bae - Mad Rat Dead Pt 2, 2.5k...bae, why the fuck do you keep doing this, please keep the same games in the same goddamn time slots ARGH. In fact, WHY THE HELL DO YOU NOT HAVE ANY MC SCHEDULED THIS WEEK? WHY? DO YOU HATE NUMBERS?! ARGH!

>>11029037
You can't really compare Selen to Botan in gamer skill. Selen is the quintessential online warrior while Botan was an actual sponsored pro who competed in actual international tournaments (like actual tournaments, not HALs random online Apex bullshit).

>>11031539
>Ina isn't just some YouTube streamer who draws well. She's someone who actually gets hired by corpos. She'd be near the top of the list in terms of drawing talent for either company.
Either everyone who draws as well as Ina can get 1 million subs on YouTube by being a VTuber, or everyone who draws as well as Ina could only do so by having been a part of HoloEN Gen1. My point is the latter; that the HoloEN hype carried them to the high subs.

I should make it clear that I’m a Holo fan who still doesn’t watch much of anything else, but I’ve recently been going out of my way to give a chance to others outside of Hololive. Normally I’m debating Niji fans here over numbers, so this is a switch for me. I tend to give others a chance even if I still end up watching Hololive in the end.

>>11032369
Bae was on Minecraft like every single day in all those big cross collabs but she didn't stream the game herself a single time, lol. I love you Bae but please, think of the numbers.

>>11032381
the pochi collab really showed that apex is gonna crumble her sanity little by little.
botan is smarter and old enough to get away of that game competitive scene.

>>11032269
Leaned too much into a kayfabe she wasn't suited for, courts too many audiences, stream at wierd times, and lost potential gachis by liking the sharts.

>>11032510
I remember she used to stream MC a lot in the EN

Jesus all those 3 digits...

>>11032784
WACTOR rise up

>>11032269
People assumed she would be the leader of the gen but has dropped the ball on that regard. I guess her voice is also a filter for some people.
She could go the Kiara route and organize collabs/tournaments so there's at least a 2nd person actively organizing these.
>>11032784
Elira playing Idol Manager
Finana playing Genshin
Rosemi playing a fighting game
Pomu reading superchats

>>11032784
im impresse elira could have 1.5k on idol manager the others are doom but pomu is excused since it is a watchalong

>>11032784
>>11032115
What's wrong today? All of them got numbers below their average.

Mori is going to scrape 20k on an overlap with Gura through the sheer power of 00's nostalgia, I kneel.

>>11032881
Well she is the leader according to what lore they are playing, and maybe it's me but I found that Bae sounds cuter when collab with other EN, but her solo streams, her voice starting to get annoying.

The autistic clock is at it again. Their collab was cancelled so they play minecraft. HELL YEAH
But then only amelia will have a POV. Fuck i think im gonna send shizo SCs on Ame's channel so my oshi will learn to stream her POVs. Does she hate numbers!!!

>>11032881
>Finana playing Genshin
Playing Genshin after Mihoyo somehow managed to pissed both their CN, JP and EN fanbase off...

>>11033239
Ohhh fucking nevermind. My oshi will be streaming her POV.
I love my clock oshi so much, sorry for doubting you kronii

>>11033333
Anon....you gotta know by now how late Kronii loooooovvveesss to put up her frames.

>>11032784
>Aki managed to get to 5k killing the Ender Dragon
Wine Aunt, you know what you have to do!

>>11033281
Genshin developers are kinda dumb. They bombard v2.0 and v2.1 with new contents. They even rushed the story.
Now they barely have any content left to realease.

>>11033239
It's looking increasingly likely to me that your oshi is actually addicted to MC and not just a meme anon
(Either that, or she really hates you guys)

>>11033416
New Outfit in the 11th for Aki.

I thought that Mori would do bad today against Gura lol

10/11 new outfit for Aki.
Let's see if she doesn't get cursed again, I swear Youtube takes a shit every time she has any sort of event.

>>11033514
FINALLY THE INCLINE

24 hours before debut, Ethyria's members have less subs than Obsydia's members did 24 hours before their debuts. I think NijiEN is stagnating, not declining but the rate of pulling in new viewers is definitely dropping. I don't think going viral will help either, Nijisanji NEEDS brand recognition if they want to do really well in the west. Without brand recognition there's a hard cap to how much their members can incline, and Selen is fairly close to that cap. Selen is a powerhouse who is a great entertainer and plays lots of different kinds of games but all of that means jack shit when people don't know or care about the company behind her.

We probably will see Gura bellow 10k while playing a game when Kronii and Ame starts playing MC

>>11033537
there's a separate crowd for karaoke's, I remember IRyS and Bae had overlap too but still have 10k+

>>11033672
Finana went viral that one time and it didn't really have any lasting effect from what I remember.

>>11032784
Elira isn't doing too bad, that's better than Anya gets playing that. It's about Ollie numbers. Finana playing some kind of chink thing. Rosemi playing something no one's ever heard of. Pomu doing watchalong of a niche western cartoon.

New fox girl is starting to grow on me. Dangit Soubin. Other than that, man I wished Council streamed more often than just 3 streams per week as contract stated. They're just using those streams to play kusoges, at least do some fun things like Japan visit streams, Japanese lessons, Constellation reviews, Nature reviews, history lessons with mumei or steins;gate watchalong(kronii hasn't watched this apparently)

>>11033500
Its already obvious, she always login to minecraft playing it for morethan 7hours each day offstream. Some anons have some sort of way to track the EN Server on who login and logouts.
It might be her way of unwinding.

>>11033750
Kuzuha just streams a shit ton I assume.

>>11033514
Over/under 26.5k

>>11033750
KNEEL TO THE KING

>>11033672
same happened for council from myth. there's merit to being the "first" in a space hungry for content. also more people are going out now, covid content boom is feeling a decline.

>>11033750
Damn they nerfed Pekora so hard. Hers should be around 8.4M.
According to some anons, Miko was spot on and Kuzuha also got nerfed but not too much (supposed to be 9.1M).

>>11033848
Anon...they're streaming 5 times a week...
It's just when they stream might not be lining up with your schedule.

>>11033750
King, I k-kneel...

>>11033897
That's an oddly specific number. I assume you're the predictions anon that does this all the time.

>>11033750
What is engagement rate?
It looks like on average there are more engagement on Youtube than twitch. Which is strange since twitch is well known for viewers and streamer interactions.

>>11033876
>>11033900
Apex only streamers shouldn't be included on the list

>>11033672
Yeah they're treading water, and 4 conventional SEA vtubers aren't gonna do anything to change the situation. There's a chance the male wave will shake things up and change the western vtuber game but there's a much bigger chance it will fall into a yawning void of indifference.

>>11033732
Isn't dmc series except dmc5 a big debuff for Gura? I remember seeing her ccv lower than 10k multiple times in dmc3.

>>11033750
it's inevitable that males will be the highest and most popular in all aspect of internet space.

>>11033978
Welp can't help it. Ranking shows top streamers and their methodology is ccv*watch hours

>>11033732
She's dipped below 10k for Super Metroid which is a much better game than this button mashing crap she's playing now.

>>11033968
>What is engagement rate?
It's literally interactions with the account and videos, not just watching or commenting in live chat.

Ok peak for Finana but poor viewer retention. She really needs to stop playing Genshin so frequently now.

>>11033897
If Roboco can hit 30k, so can Aki.

Mori 20k

>>11033968
Likes, quotes, retweets, comments, etc. - pretty much amount of reactions the content creator got / amount of "contents" (streams, tweet, instagram posts, etc.) the CC published

>>11033750
4-9 hours of Apex a day.
So this is how you make the list?

>>11033897
Its an outfit stream, even HoloID Gen2 got around 30k (ollie got 55k).
Aki will get 40k or higher. People might not like her content but an outfit stream will have horny anon check the stream even for a little while.

>>11034138
It works for Amouranth

>>11034005
You can pop open holostats and check how her DMC3 streams do anon.
None of her peaks have ever been less than 10k for DMC3, but her numbers were poorer than her average for the game yes.

>>11033978
Even streamhatched is taking a jab of the content creators who only stick to popular titles (like APEX)

>>11034088
Only if all the other holomems decide to play nice and funnel views.

>>11034179
amouranth plays apex?

>>11033986
Since this appears to be the singer gen, I think they NEED to create original songs to have chance.
Hell, Kiara and Mori started working on music before they even got a fucking paycheck (I recall Kiara basically gave her producer an IOU) , NijiEN has no excuse.

>>11034088
Aki hit around 40k back when she had her goth/lolita outfit. That was after the CCV change, but I don't know if that can be replicated.

>>11033750
With Miko now being included here. Will Pekora take interest on her again or will she hate Miko even more?

>>11034138
Hours watched = hours streamed x average CCV, so yeah, you want high CCV and stream as much as possible (without ruining your average CCV)

>>11032881
she was the center of the image, and the most abstract concept. the company totally banked on her being the leader.
i would say more than her voice, her design is a major filter. everyone i know was hyped about her when we saw the silhouettes but 180'd and disliked her design. the only council designs my friends liked were kronii and mumei. and SURPRISE they are the most popular.
this is part of why i think a lot of people dislike kiara, orange is a repulsive color.

>>11034233
No, I mean the stream one type of content for long hours and milk it to no end because people would still watch you

>>11034138
Kuzu wouldnt be able to compete with miko and peko otherwise. What he doesnt get on average ccv he makes up for lenght.

>>11034273
Miko was on the top vtuber list last time too, its just that this time she cracked the overall top female list as well. Migo has been strong all year.

>>11034235
> NijiEN has no excuse.
Being an inferior content creator is one.

>>11033239
Kronii makes her frame pretty late, she has a pov set up now.

>>11033750
To those who don't understand, people who both
>stream for a long time
>get high VOD views
will rank high on this chart. Kuzuha is there for his 8 hr streams with a bunch of popular ones like that 12 hr one with 4mil+ views.

>>11034273
she doesn't hate her. she just doesnt give anything any thought other than her stream:
https://youtu.be/gPK0Iw1I1PI
this is why she joined with sana and rat, everyone wanted to see EN-JP interactions, she had nearly 50k that stream. Even Mio got 12k planting pumpkins hoping ame would come hang out on her stream.

>>11034396
Money maybe? They do cost a decent amount.
Maybe Anykara could pay for it if they were already paying for ads.

>>11034235
They're singers not musicians. They're gonna be more like IRyS than Mori. And there's 4 of them so they won't all get resources for stuff all at once and they're not gonna be showered in cash so they can splurge on random vanity songs like Kiara did.

>>11034355
How pruney does she end up getting if she sits in a tub for hours and hours?

>>11034529
>They're gonna be more like IRyS
Then it will be a boon to NijiEN since IRyS has been decently successful.

>>11034471
There is still hope for PekoMiko

>>11034529
2 of them does covers for their YT channels. Think they'll gonna put at least covers on their channels, if not some okayish original songs.

>>11034628
>pruney
I'd be pruney too if I was paid $1k/hour just sitting and writing simp's name on my body for hours. She probably takes care of her body behind the scene.

>>11034416
Let me tell you how I know you're a chumbud

Let's all ake a knee to mori 20k.

>>11034633
I don't mean in terms of success I mean in terms of how they go about music, they'll sing covers and wait to be drip-fed originals eventually down the line rather than going out and making their own stuff. IRyS is also a dedicated vsinger, and the only one in her gen, so she's gonna get a lot of resources, these 4 are just regular streamers who happen to sing.

>>11034235
Mori did about 50 original songs working as a teacher and animator before joining Hololive
Money can make things easy but isn't a excuse

>>11034633
Cover is backing IRyS.
Nijisanji tends to have record labels fill that role at least for JP. EN waves getting a debut song seems to be their way of trying to build hype.
>>11034786
With how Nijisanji feels about unarchived karaoke, they won't be able to get any buffs like Mori's current late 2000's karaoke.

>>11034864
For a Vsinger tho, she's more focused on gaming. Sometimes i even forget she's Vsinger until she streams a Karaoke.

>>11034976
>to be their way of trying to build hype
yeah, with ads

>>11034355
Why do they call her a hot tub streamer when it's clear she's sitting in one of those inflatable yard pools for children?

>>11033946
Kuzuha should have atleast 9.5M watch hours. They nerf him

Pekora got shafted really hard though. From 8.4M+ to 6.6M

Miko is like almost the same really number wise.

>>11033750
>Miko has more engagement rate than Pekora
35p > nousagi

>>11034976
What is Nijis rule with unarchived karaoke?

>>11034633
Come on. It's clearly he meant that they won't be spending that much time on getting new songs out and will focus mainly on streaming to build a fanbase first (although IRyS said she has been busy with recording recently, presumably a new song or cover). Like IRyS, they probably have much fewer connections to composers than Mori and will have to rely on AnyColor to help them with it instead, that is if AnyColor even want to focus on their singing aspect more than normal VTubers (in other words, just karaoke stream and perhaps a song in every 4-5 months)

>>11035201
they afraid of copystrikes during lives.

>>11035069
Never said it worked.
It was pretty obvious they tested the waters with Diamond City Lights and then started paying for ads when it wasn't doing good.

>>11035199
I follow Pekora on twitter but I have no idea what any of the shit she tweets means unless it's fanart, I'm likely part of the problem.

>>11035294
You can press a button and translate her tweets.

>>11035213
Yeah, connections are everything. The reason why Mori pumps out songs so quickly is that she has a ton of connections in the japanese music scene (or at least internet music scene, is that what you would call it? lol).

Gura is going to read superchat now, too bad not to see how much ground she can hold while playing dmc4 with Mori's karaoke and Ame Kronii MC collab.

>>11035294
>Not just automatically like and retweet your oshi's posts with your throwaway account
ngmi anon

>>11035189
I wonder why, is there a certain type of content being removed on the count?
I'm curious why Miko's is spot on while Kuzu/peko isn't
>>11035199
When Peko stream JRPG, she doesn't interact with chat that much since she's more focused on the story.

>>11035236
That's is almost impossible, there's not enough time for someone to file a DMCA takedown

>>11035236
Maybe it has to do with being partially invested in by Sony. Playing chicken with your boss's music division might not be the best idea.

>>11035201
They restrict their talents from doing it cause they can't earn money from it i.e. superchats aren't allowed.

I know Kronii setup her waiting room later than Ame but i'm still surprised Gremlin got more people on her frame than Autistic Clock

>>11035536
>>11035549
i recall pomu talking about it and saying it was becasue of those copyright issues.
According to the nijien thread she once got copyright striked during a live on her apst life.

>>11035464
Not my oshi, I don't even remember why I followed her exactly. Probably to see when she was gonna play Minecraft or whatever. I follow like 16 vtubers and only really like Pomu and Ina's stuff typically.

>>11035549
this, Sony's investment has its pros and cons.

Gura stoped playing to avoid the embarrassment of dropping bellow 10k while playing

>>11035552
That's dumb, people know to SC on the next stream, especially if they do an afterparty.

>>11035696
She's getting mogged by Mori lmao. (I love her song selections)
Now that Kronii/Ame are starting they might also get better numbers.

But i think the shark also just want to play minecraft lol

>>11035213
Are you high? IRyS has tons of connections if you know her past life, beyond Mori's.

>>11035487
That's not what engagement rates means...

>>11035487
I don't really know what content they are filtering for pekora to be nerf this hard seriously. They allow bath tub/mic licking stream for amouranth so they shouldn't filter any content for pekora

>>11035934
She went through years (almost 10?) in her past life without releasing any new song and mainly just did covers (she did sell an album, but Idk if that was original songs or just covers). It's clear that either she didn't have any interest in making new songs, or she didn't have enough connection to. Just because you were an utaite doesn't mean you are friends with music creators

>>11035688
That's just a ContentID match, those don't give you a strike but they can stop the livestream if the artist has chose to block the content instead of getting the monetization
You only get a strike if someone or a bot catches your infraction and sends a complaint to YouTube asking to remove the content, this process takes some time

>>11036214
She's has sang for anime EDs, those don't fall out of the sky for random youtubers.

>>11035934
Yeah, its clear that when it comes to EN vsingers/utaites that Cover hit an absolute Home Run with IRyS. She was a titan in the limited EN field and they probably got the best one. I also think she is going about her growth the right way. She is establishing a streaming presence first before going ham with music and its clearly working since she seems to be inclining at a pretty steady rate all the time and is garnering quite the following. Having that presence already established when she starts taking breaks for recording/singing will help her retain relevance and prevent her from becoming the next AZKi/Sora who are mostly in the background of the greater Hololive environment.

Holo EN numbers

>>11036438
Hrm. So Time-duo delayed their MC by 30 minutes....
I wonder if they've got difficulties or if they're actually just listening to Mori right now.

>>11036417
Shame about the model.

>>11036582
>or if they're actually just listening to Mori right now.
Yeah both were spotted in Mori's chat actually, one or both are busy listening to her.

Finally timegirls started.
I guess Ame is gonna have higher viewers since she's using smol ame.

Mori 20k
Ame 9.8k
Kronii 9.5k
Bae 2.8k

Here's some numbers.
The indie Kuzuha streamed Apex with 2 days ago went from sub 1k subs to 41k subs and climbing, with a few VODs gaining 100k+ views
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCebCRguPlkvWemz2dKxWIA/videos

>>11038488
Too bad it's apex. The numbers for that is unpredictable. Towa's approach is better now that she's trying other FPS games with Botan.

>>11038584
He only started vtubing a week ago anyway.

>>11035696
Good, don't waste time on stupid games if you don't know how to keep it entertaining.

>>11035549
>>11035688
I don't understand. How does this work again and why can Holos do unarchived karaokes?

>>11038920
Nijisanji cannot do copyright songs on unarchive. There was a KR who did it on Youtube and Management told her to stop so she did, then later on she did it on Twitch unarchived, although I didn't hear if Management told her to stop doing it there too.

>>11038067
That fucking stupid l2d again

Update.
>>11038920
Holos have only been hit when they leave their archive up for too long. They usually private it the moment the stream ends.

>>11036214
She wasn't just a utaite. She was a pretty damn big one. Released 2 albums of her own stuff and collabed on 10 others. She was deep into the scene and worked with a ton of people.

>>11032784
ded

Over 40k watching HoloEN at this time of night, not bad at all.

>>11029576
See this faggot>>11027964

>replying to a 2 hrs old bait that no one cared about
KYS

post a new thread already, >we are at the limit

>>11040321
theres still 100+ posts left, how are you in a numbers thread thinking thats "close"

>>11040321
As a numbers thread, we should strive to make the most posts in a thread before its done.