/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>1090013
>Hololive ID
>Ollie ¥2,553,939
>Reine ¥903,856
>Moona ¥740,601
>Iofi ¥449,206
>Anya ¥435,158
>Risu ¥152,779

Risu dead last, poor girl

>>1090013
>Risu ¥152,779
Treerat bros... not like this...

>>1090013
>Tomoe above Gura
>up 68 places
Oh no holobros not like this. All the nijichads are laughing at us.

>hundreds of thousands of dollars for playing games
I wish I was born a woman.

>>1090013
>Coco ¥18,727,986
What's the cope narrative going to be for the antis this time? This bitch can't stop winning.

>>1090013
>Watame ¥4,522,514
all me

>>1090078

why is mel so low

>>1090013
Wow, Ollie's making bank compared to everyone else in the ID branch.

>42,437.69 United States Dollar
how much goes directly into the idol's pocket? i imagine quite a bit goes back to hololive

>>1090013
>one Coco is worth around 30 Mels

>>1090102
See for yourself
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCD8HOxPs4Xvsm8H0ZxXGiBw/videos
Only 4 streams on her channel this month.

>>1090127
I remember reading a consensus of it being 35% but I can't verify this.

>>1090127
35%ish according to coco

>>1090145
Your math reps anonchama...

>>1090127
After youtube and cover's cut, the idol takes home about 50% of it

>>1090013
Damn, it's crazy seeing the numbers like this. I didn't know Coco was ahead by such a large margin.

okayu omedetou!!!!

>>1090153
>>1090169
seems reasonable considering staffing, artist, advert, etc, costs.

>>1090079
The holostars members aren't doing bad, you could join them anon

>>1090127
30% to youtube, 35% to Cover, 35% for the talent

>>1090145
you're missing a couple of zeroes there anonchama

>>1090210
i imagine anyone who learns japanese, and is american or european, would do well. especially considering the gaijin fetish.

now the magic question: what would do well? texan? new englander? jersey? english? german? italian? high english? scottish?

>>1090194
Yes, it was a great month for her.
Miko inclined a lot too.

>>1090013
>Literally every single holostars member made more than Risu
Is she taking a break?

>>1090237
Wonder if Youtube will start advertising V-Tubers, or just embrace them more. I imagine it would help cement their state in Asia/Japan, as well as bring in more shekels..

>>1090176
>>1090242
>actually 300 times
No... I didn't want to believe...

>>1090013
>Kiara ¥7,877,632
I dislike Kiara yet I feel happy for her. I'm surprised over this feeling.

Why are EN's numbers so low?

>>1090326
most people who would watch v-tubers are the same people who prefer sub to dub, as well as preferring the sound of japanese. that's my guess anyway.

something else to consider is the people who've grown up on dubs, and for which they lack the same attachment to japanese many people have in /a/ (whether they understand it or not), are not yet old enough to donate.

>>1090013
>Polka ¥775,620
It's all so tiresome...

>Gura less then Kiara
how this is happen bros....

>>1090013
>Coco ¥18,727,986
Temporary due to the recent circumstances, new dominance as top earner, or a mix of both?

>>1090326
English speakers arent stupid enough to simp. Why would I pay for free entertainment?

>>1090098
Now look at Fuwa

>>1090326
They're declining in viewers and appeal more to clip-watcher EoPs. I don't think English-speaking audiences have the same mentality Japan does that allows for vtubers to be successful in SCs, but they've gained a following of dedicated fans that care for them so I'm glad that make decent numbers. Also Ina makes money with her "real" job

>>1090401
Just my shot in the dark:
Kiara has a good amount of the 'Tumblr' version of V-Tuber fan's following her. As in people more mentally out of it, as well as generally naive.

>>1090411
Coco's literally been the top earner or the second top earner for the last eight months anonymous

>>1090411
Always been high, even before the Taiwan incident

>>1090299
I'm sorry bro our cute vampire isn't doing so well in terms of supacha. I hope it doesn't affect her too much

>>1090091
When did they ever deny Coco made a fuckton of money?

>>1090442
judging by her fan interaction, this is accurate

>>1090401
I hate the chicken but she really works for it when it comes to milking her paypigs, she puts in the hours on the superchat readings.

>cry on stream a couple times
>simps go crazy
Coco figured it out. The ethot strategy.

>>1090485
It's like seeing DSP rake in the money, except Kiara actually has talent. Either way you're amazed they're able to rake it in and can't even be mad, especially after all the shit they go through.

>>1090518
>Kiara actually has talent

>>1090497
are we being played? kanata cries a shit ton too!!!!!!!!!

Izuru made more cash than Risu and Mel combined

SHOGUN LOVE

>>1090079
english speaking dudes are by far the most successful streamers in the world

>>1090013
And this is the reason why people want to join hololive. For the sweet fucking money.

>>1090013
>Kiara ¥7,877,632
This is funny
>Botan ¥2,482,753
This is sad

>>1090497
Nice try, zhang, but she's literally one of the most influential and well-loved girl on and off stream

>>1090497
You've never watched Coco if you think she needed to cry to get her gachikoi to throw money at her.

A small handful of examples of some things her gachikoi have done:
1: Invented a bot to superchat her as soon as she creates a stream
2: Invented a ritual of spamming blue superchats whenever she goes to take a leak
3: Created multiple accounts to get around youtube charge limits, to do multiple consecutive 50000 yen superchats

>>1090530
Speaking three languages is genuinely pretty cool. Especially when it's not just all Euro. I can read Latin with a dictionary if it's complicated and create simple Japanese with help of a dictionary, but she does English-German-Japanese without any external help. That's nice.
Still dislike her personality and won't watch her.

>>1090196
no it doesn't, they're just pocketing it, they have no expenses

>>1090518
>actually has talent

Let's not get ahead of ourselves here

>>1090411
Coco has either been first (more often) or second every month in SC since she got monetized, anonchama

>>1090518
>except Kiara actually has talent
Bro... no. She gets money because she does yuribait shit. Constantly.

>>1090543
that's because english is the current lingua franca.
i think for almost guaranteed success you need to be fluent in two very disconnected languages, like japanese-english or so.

>>1090555
>well-loved
by whom?

>>1090553
>This is sad

All the roubles in the world don't do much when they're worth as much as ARS. It's why I laugh whenever russians think they're going to get a Hololive RU

>>1090592
People with money.

>>1090574
She doing something to get top 5 in hololive in Superchats

>>1090299
Mel makes good money on her "other" channel.

>>1090589
I wouldn't know, I don't watch her. All I know is she's a mentally unstable trilingual.

>>1090013
>Coco ¥18,727,986
thanks to zhang

Where did Lamy's paypigs go?

>>1090592
>Top earner on YouTube
>Like, ALL OF YOUTUBE
>Who loves her
Everyone, you turd. Kanata of course, Aqua has had sweet interactions with her, Fubuki said she'd leave hololive if Coco was forced out, several ENs mentioned Coco being inspirational, and the list goes one...

>>1090592
by anyone that isn't a CCP apologist

When is Mel retiring?

>>1090559
I just.... don't get it

>>1090616
this isn't even her highest earning month

>>1090632
Mel doesn't give a shit about hololive since her manager raped her. The only reason she kept the job is so she can chat up cute foreign girls

>>1090571
Uh, they need to pay their useless managers a salary for starters.

>>1090624
Why are Cocofags so delusional? She's basically a pariah within the company at this point
Only thing going for her is her uncanny ability to fool people like you into giving her money somehow

>>1090624
>ALL OF YOUTUBE
so going back to
>>1090291
when you think we'll see youtube/alphabet fortify their position? as far as i understand youtube doesn't have nearly as much dominace in japan as they do in the west, owning v TUBER seems like something they should clutch and not let go of.

>Zhangs try to make Coco quit Hololive
>by donating tons of money

chinks never fail to amuse me

>>1090632
like Ina, she does vtubing on the side, she has another job that supports her so SC income doesn't matter much to her

>>1090649
not reading all of that Cheng.

still donating to her though

>>1090655
most superchatted doesnt mean biggest earner

>>1090649
>Why are Cocofags so delusional?
Because they think getting money is equal to her being good. Well, she is good... at getting money from gachikois that is. I wonder why people even watch her. She isn't even that interesting.

>Kaoru doing better than Oga

>>1090672
>not reading all of that
>2 sentences
a fool and his money are easily parted

>>1090655
You're expecting google to make an intelligent decision. The only way I see google even bothering to care about vtubers and weebshit in general is if Bilibili makes an english version and tries to make a push into the west. Then I can see google getting spooked because they've got enough chinese money they could theoretically make a dent, so they'd pretty quickly act to lock down the market.

>>1090102
She barely streamed at all last month

>>1090681
>I wonder why people even watch her.
They don't
She gets less live viewers than Moona
her superchats and zealous fanbase are a mystery

I think the world would be a better place if people donated money to children with cancer and not affluent Japanese women that play video games

>>1090690
poorfag cope

>>1090713
are you seriously bragging about throwing your money down the drain
you're just giving it away and getting nothing in return, you're making yourself poorer

>>1090704
Is she a magnet for some sad office workers or something? This is weird.

>>1090708
The free market allocates resources where they are needed most. The invisible hand has decided children with cancer are simply not needed.

You'll just have to live with it or become a communist

>>1090708
Children with cancer don't entertain me.

>>1090638
You should have been there for the first 6 months after her debut, asacoco nearly killed her, she really earned her fans.

>>1090708
money doesn't make cancer go away

>>1090708
they provide happiness. i have a watame membership because i think she genuinely makes the world a better place with her content. i've no sexual desires with her or even much engagement with her content -- just knowing a person like her exists is nice for my mental health. that and i can come in whenever i want and watch... i like that.

>>1090708
Well you are wrong since all that money would just end up going into the pockets of billionaire, NGOs are a scam.

>>1090746
Coco fucking herself up with sleeping pills was kino. She's boring now though

>>1090704
zhangchama...Coco has more viewers playing a debuff game (Yakuza) than Moona playing minecraft...

how much is cover's cut? 30%?

>Lamy of all people in top 10
Does she really have so much dedicated simps?

>>1090731
wdym, I donate money that I don't need.

>>1090708
You posting that reminds me. Does these rich vtubers donate any of their income to any charity? They have lots of fucking money. They should donate some it like normal youtubers and streamers. Or make a stream for children with cancer or something.

>>1090759
She's cute now and her zatsudans are still among the best in hololive.

>>1090769
Yakuza is Coco's buff game and Moona still gets more viewers than her

>>1090610
Rat

>>1090772
Yukimin are fucking crazy

>>1090738
this but unironically. human investors moving in herds make better choices than individuals/govs about which technologies, media, etc, should succeed.
just look at the USSR, or even companies -- blockbuster was offered netflix and refused, there are thousands of those moments, if not millions -- you think we should let such blindness as that dictate our future?
the free market knows best how to advance our economy

>>1090737
Yes, unironically. Instead of playing pachinko or whatever they're making a game out of throwing money at her. It's like giving her a superchat rainbow is a rite of passage. I'm not Japanese so I don't know why. Maybe they have minimal exposure to trashy American girls and it's still novel or something.

>>1090589
I can't wait for Mori to snap and tell her to fuck off and she's sick of the act.

>>1090773
You should spend it on yourself instead

>>1090784
>They should donate some it like normal youtubers and streamers
No they shouldn't you fucking commie

You guys love doomposting, so no one's going to point out that the total of all the superchats reclined like 20% since last month?

Hololive is reclining, Hololive is doomed! Nijisanji's era is coming!

>>1090398
Unfortunately roommate attractiveness matters a lot to JOPs it seems like so Polka and Botan are struggling. It's fucked up that even in the vtuber industry being conventionally pretty is a huge advantage.

>>1090737
i never watched or cared about v-tubers while working, but i imagine i could find coco as a nice thing to tune into while commuting.

>>1090814
are niji superchats inclining?

>>1090788
Yakuza is her debuff game, Coco playing minecraft gets three times the viewers

>>1090823
If that were the case Coco wouldn't be the top superchatted

>>1090773
The money that you don't need can be invested . Kiryuu Coco is not an investment.

>>1090326
EN Audience more likely to member than supacha

>>1090827
I dunno since no one posted any numbers, but that should never stop someone from doomposting

>>1090823
Polka is a lesbian so I don't care how she is doing.

Mel... Stream more pls

Does Cover take a percentage of the membership money like they do the superchats? I know Youtube still takes its 30% of course.

>>1090809
Suht up cuck. Donating is a good thing to do. Those children with cancer need the money way more than some jap girl doing videos online

>>1090326
EN's doing pretty decently considering that they don't really go hard on the milking. Ina doesn't even read superchats.

>>1090823
Matsuri's below Botan and she's very attractive. She was even hot when she was fat.

>>1090787

luna is fucking lol

>>1090843
some v-tubers are genuinely investments in yourself
seeing girls genuinely happy over guys is something i love, for example, because it tells me love is still alive. seeing some of these nice v-tubers, who genuinely have rough pasts, succeed, as well as make others happy -- it's good for me in many ways. it has a direct positive impact on my life.

>>1090871
It all goes into the same account, so yes

>>1090873
>Suht up cuck. Donating is a good thing to do
lmfao who's the cuck exactly
Money doesn't cure cancer, hate to break it to you, although I guess you need it if you're in the USA cause the government won't pay for your ineffective treatements

When I feel the urge to supacha a streamer, I just go out and buy some McDonald's for a homeless guy instead.

>>1090888
Jesus christ what a fucking loser
Use that money and buy yourself a real girlfriend

>>1090013
>Ollie ¥2,553,939
Jesus that's what, 23k usd? I'm pretty sure that's more than most indonesians make all year

>>1090894
unironically investing in biomedical companies is probably far better for the world than donating to charity to solve the issue.

you get more money to give back, through dividends and increasing evaluations, and help us make progress against death.

>>1090835
she even gets more views playing ark than yakuza

>>1090596
Botan gets way more yen chats. The problem is that most of the chats are blue to yellow, borderline no one sends red-orange despite her deserving it way more than trash like kiara.

>>1090895
I never feel any urge to donate to any streamers but I do donate to my nearby church.

>>1090888
Trips of truth. Chang doesn't understand because the only emotion he has is blind loyalty to his country.

>>1090911
>help us make progress against death
I doubt that

>>1090013
>€50000 in 1 month
Reddit dragon....

>>1090918
good on you, anon

>>1090911
Yet these gachikois don't do that. They waste money so some japanese girls can smile a bit more behind their avatar.

>>1090906
35%

>>1090894
Money might not cure their cancer, but it can make their last days of life more enjoyable. That's what matters to me.

>>1090841
Coco is unironically one of the most attractive talents, especially for how much older she is than most of her peers.
Better example would be Rushia because she's very average but even she's cute by weeb/otaku standards. She basically looks like her character too so Rushia fans would love her.

>>1090877
Matsuri used to be in the top 10 in terms of superchats, she's been declining heavily due to her APEX addiction and can't seem to recover. Botan and Polka on the other hand got doxxed immediately after their debut and have always had really low superchats compared to Lamy and Nene.
Matsuri's fans also kinda stopped donating knowing their money would just find its way to Hoshikawa. No one wants to support Matsuri's unhealthy unrequited love.

>>1090877
The JOP understands not sticking your dick in crazy better than us

I’d like to see korone at #1. She probably puts in the most hours and has some of the best content imo.

>>1090841
(You)

>>1090809
>>1090843
>You should spend it on yourself instead
>The money that you don't need can be invested
you're not my dad. why would I listen to some poorfag on an anonymous board?

>>1090941
that's still about four months average wage in indonesia, and that doesn't take into account streamlabs. It's fucking hige

>>1090873
I'd donate to these children if they could entertain me for several hours per week

>>1090853
I'd rather support a cute lesbian couple than support a girl that will spend my money on her boyfriend. That's why KFP keep throwing money at the TakaMori ship and why Holostars will never collab with most of JP.

>>1090948
I remember when Matsuri's fans donated so much to her during that Apex gacha stream, because she was finally showing signs on actually spending money on herself instead of funneling it to Hoshikawa

>>1090013
chinks btfo

>>1090948
Coco is a 3/10 who wears a lot of makeup
Rushia is cute apart from the buck teeth

>>1090965
You would rather support degenerate people than normal people eventhough you will never fuck either of them? That's kinda pathetic bro.

>>1090904
people like you are why i do it. sometimes i used to get convinced that love isn't real, or that people just use each other, and that shit just made me want to cock a gun and speedrun life.
my success in life is directly correlated to how i view people. if i take on a pessimistic view i languish. if i trust friends, and have a high view of the human soul, i accomplish a lot more.

such is it that watame is a person who i find to be genuine, good hearted, and healthy for others to view. knowing others agree with me, and that she stops people from killing themselves -- gets people to work another day, try to live life a bit more -- well it's emotionally fulfilling but also practical. those people produce human capital.
effective utilization of human capital is in part achieved through religion, entertainment, and general mind enhancement.

>>1090985
Ogey /r9k/

>>1090955
You are giving your money away because you "don't need it"
You're the ultimate poorfag

>>1090966
Honestly I'm worried about her. Not because I buy the menhera meme but because I don't think she realizes she has nothing else besides vtubing. She isn't a successful utaite or ASMR artist or anything and yet she doesn't take it seriously at all and seemingly throws money away. Hope she figures out that HSKW will never reciprocate her love or even be her friend. For fucks sake she treats her like most vtubers treat their paypigs, it's sad to watch such a cute girl go through that.

>>1090985
All women wear makeup incel-kun.

>>1090952
>She probably puts in the most hours

She doesn't really. She does endurance streams, but she also takes breaks pretty often. If I were to take a stab in the dark, it's probably Watame or Flare, since they do it every day.

>>1090992
Love is real, and nobody fucking loves you, you're living vicariously through celebrites on the internet. You aren't optimistic, you are delusional

>>1090988
If I'm not getting laid either way I'd rather support lesbians to ensure other men aren't getting laid either.

>>1091022
Only Watame is higher than Korone. Most of that is probably superchat reading though

>>1091018
And only incels get fooled into thinking ugly women are attractive because of it

reminder that numbers are very volatile every month.

gen 5 was very high on january due to their 3D debuts, polka has barely singed this month and that is where she gets most of her SC, Aki is generally very low but she was very high recently due to her birthday, kanata is also average but undertale and saving coco during her YAB stream boosted her SC by fucktons, etc, you also gotta take those 500k/600k etc milestone sub streams where they also get SC boosts.

I think the only consistent thing is rushia and coco obliterating the charts the rest always wander on the 2 ~ 4 million averages, with exceptions like 3rd gen being overall the strongest generation. mel being suffering, and subaru ALWAYS being exactly at the middle.

>>1090952
supachas aren't everything.
>She probably puts in the most hours.
lol no. The holo with the longest total hours streaming is Miko, and yes that's already with a 3 month break. If adjusted to take into account debut date, number 1 is Flare.

>>1091037
There's nothing wrong with makeup you incel. Someone who is good at makeup to make themselves attractive is still attractive, retard. Being attractive is its own skill.

>>1091024
God dam nigger can you shut the fuck up with your high and mighty ass shit

>>1091053
I didn't say there was anything wrong with makeup, I said an ugly woman is still an ugly women even if they're hiding it with makeup
Well I guess that's the best some people can aspire towards

>>1091022
>>1091036
Of course you should take into account Miko's 3 month break due to her health, she would easily be first.
Coco would probably be 3rd or 4th if it wasn't for her suspension and subsequent forced break.

>>1091024
but i'm not.
as i said, i barely watch her streams. maybe two hours this last week.

you seem to be projecting your insecurities onto me. the only major insecurity you can pin on me is my desire to question romantic love -- and i take that away by seeing happy couples. my friendships, both personal and from past coworkers, have already proven to me love can exist platonically. i just lack such proof romanticly. i see the divorce rate climb, the sex culture of today -- it depresses me.
i don't want to fuck bitches, i want to find someone i can actually love. you can do whatever you want, pussy isn't worth it for me unless i love the girl. i wouldn't fuck watame either.

>>1090532
Watame and Towa as well... Watame even made it part of her core personality traits and mentions being a crybaby in her first original song.
We are absolutely being played kek.

>>1091067
Who's high and mighty? You're one of the biggest cucks I've ever seen. Get a real life, you're lying to yourself

>>1090078
vyt sperg, trying to start shit like always.

>>1091075
>Roboco
>#3 in stream time
>Gen 0
>#27 in superchats
Being a pantsless robot is suffering.

>>1091081
>pussy isn't worth it for me unless i love the girl.
You say that like you aren't a massive virgin
If you want to find somebody to love you're going about it the wrong way

>>1091082
doubt it. hololive can pick whoever they want, easier to pick actually emotional girls with bad pasts.

>>1091004
>You are giving your money away because you "don't need it"
...that's what I just said. I don't need the money because I've already set majority of what I've earned on necessities. The money I donate is what remains after. I don't know why this is hard to understand. You're the one who's the poorfag here.

>>1091101
A person who only uses money to buy necessities and gives the rest away is poor

>>1091101
Hey anon can I have some free money? You don't need it right?

>>1090809
The only one who should donate is jewtube, they leech of streamers hard work while still profit by insert ads whenever they want in a stream, and if the karen feel bad she can ruin streamer's life by demonetize them.

>>1091018
As someone who initially got into Hololive through Matsuri, I really hope she finally realizes some day that she has to invest in herself, too.

>>1091050
Kanata made 7-8 million the last 4 months anon.
You can change the month on OP's link, try it out.

>>1091095
Now compare Ayame's numbers to that

>>1091096
i had a girlfriend in kindergarten.
i've had opportunities post highschool and declined.
whenever i masturbate i do it to incredibly romantic emotional shit.

the only women i'm interested in are those i already know. i mean, tits are tits but they'll never get me as hard as someone i have an emotional connection to.
in other words; i've done and still do dates. i just rarely take opportunities to progress. now can you stop trying to give me life advice on /vt/?

>>1090992
Don't waste your time arguing with literal retards

>>1091133
Having a cute model + voice is everything in vtubing. Ayame streams Apex once a week and gets 12-15k viewers consistently.

Roboco's model is legit terrible. Not only that but I'd argue Cover's 3D tech is too shitty for them to trap some of the Gen 0 girls like Roboco and Miko in 3D hell.

>>1091138
>the only women i'm interested in are those i already know.
let me guess, they don't like you in that way
you have cucked your attitude towards life so hard

>>1091152
They cuteified Miko. I'm pretty sure Roboco is next

>>1091138
>i had a girlfriend in kindergarten.
anon...thats a crime dayo....

>>1091177
I think it'd take a lot more to fix Roboco. Like Nene tier full redesign. She loves her model though so I'm not sure she'd want it changed.

>>1091083
>Biggest cuck
Bitch I haven’t spent a dime on them just tired of that faggot bitching about how someone uses there money if they going to be a cuck can’t control them why waste your time preaching to them

>>1091107
sounds like something a poorfag would say
>>1091111
depends, are you entertaining enough?

>>1091138
Well this thread's going to the shits.

>>1091210
I've been entertaining you with my posts on 4chan for over 10 years thats probably longer than you've known any vtuber.

kek imagine being so poor you preach about ethical money consumption on an anonymous mongolian basket weaving forum

>>1090013
>Hololive EN

>Kiara ¥7,877,632
>Mori ¥5,397,190
>Gura ¥5,332,444
>Amelia ¥5,163,905
>Ina ¥2,752,717

Why is Mori slacking?

>>1091228
that's too bad. I just started browsing this board last month because of Risu mentioning /vt/ on twitter

>>1090553

you are only despairing because you are comparing the numbers between the holos, even the likes of sora are ahead of pretty much 90% of vtubers out there.

>>1091249
It's about the principle. People mindlessly throwing money at entertainers is how we ended up with people like PewDiePie.

>>1091158
no, you fail to understand. i have my types, and above all else genuine love of me is a major turn on.
by definition if they don't like me i get turned off -- after all faithlessness and questioning of romantic love is real is a major insecurity of mine.

when i'm on a date i'm not usually all too interested, it takes me time.
not that any of this matters much as i'm usually not the one to make the first move in setting up a date -- though i do pursue to know them more if i like the first date. i just don't pursue with sex or anything like that.

>>1091193
Just fyi that's very similar to some of the stuff the zhangs were spamming on twitter and in coco's chat way back when and as we all know this place is crawling with bugmen so take from that what you will.

>>1091269
Kiara had her "farewell japan" concerts so people threw money at her for that.

>>1091275
Nevermind I don't want your dirty money, go back to twitter or reddit please.

>>1091297
That doesn't explain Mori nearly choking to Gura and Ame

>>1090442
Isn't it just the KFP mentality? Her fans are pretty funny, I dont mind KFP, while I find the other fanbases that follow these sorta names kinda cringe

Reminder that it's usually kids or failures who think $10 is a huge deal. Why? Because a kid gets daddy's credit card to pay for shit, he can't just say he'll spend less on x y or z, or work more hours (etc) because he has no expenses or jobs.

>>1091191
I don't think Cover can even suggest a Nene or Azki-like change in Roboco's model. As I understand, her papa still owns the design because she came from a separate project that wasn't under Cover.

>>1091321
It was inevitable that the canada vs USA donation wars was unsustainable. Eventually they moved on.
>>1091336
They can completely redesign her and not use her papa's design. Though she's friends with her papa iirc and he adds accessories for her whenever she asks, thats why she has bunny ears and cat ears and shit.

>unironic numberfag threads
JESAS

>>1091290
I'm not surprised anymore since they're less subtle than the anti kiara threads.

>you can't give two big macs worth to a streamer
>why? because you have to be a cold machine who has no expenses dedicated to happiness beyond hedonistic urges

>>1091357
Why are you even here?
Show mommy and daddy where numbers touched you anon.

Since when did Ame have such good fucking SC numbers? Did something happen?

>>1091287
You sound like you've built up layers upon layers of delusion to prevent yourself ever getting close to a woman

>>1090013
how come mel doesn't get so much views? its really sad

>>1091278
Botan I can see you point but Kiara is funny cuz of all of the hate she gets on here and her dam pay pigs are insane

To really find out who milks their pigs the hardest I think you'd have to find out the ratios between money and subs, as well as money and hours streamed.

>>1091399
Hard to get views if you don't stream

>>1090148
ohhh
hope she's okay

>>1091411
yeah, just saw >>1090148
hope she's alright

>>1091386
Since fucking forever? She's always pulled in about 4-5 million a month

>>1091417
Her roommate's a fulltime softcore camwhore, so she's fine moneywise.

>>1091321
Probably because she was playing a bunch of janky RPGM games and not streaming as much (between the Holo Alt song, her new full EP coming soon, and a suspected DD revival she seems busy making music)

>>1091417
I think after the stalker drama she realized she'd be better off building her existing side career instead of relying on Cover. Her and Choco are doing fine on their side gigs, don't worry about it.

>>1091321
Mori streamed way less than those two did this last month as well, likely because she was busy doing stuff like her 2nd EP, recording the Holo Alt trailer song AND the Priconne song, as well as doing the whole "Takamori week" thing as a send off for Kiara leaving Japan.

>>1090098
Where’s that pic of matsuri getting punched by the vampire dude

Need that but reversed and with Ollie

>>1091384
Sorry. I have come from an era where numberfagging unironically used to be bannable offense.

>>1091392
women usually come to me.
i used to have insecurity due to my highschool years, but later, after being asked out two times, i realized i didn't want to do something as sensitive as sex with the people who asked me out.
or, in other words, since you're still young and don't understand, it's something you think you want until the opportunity comes and you see the price you pay.
now do i wish i got better women coming to me? sometimes. but there are perfectly fine people, like watame, who just aren't attractive to my desires in a partner.

if your testicles drop and you get past being a horndog you'll understand someday. some people though just don't have emotional sex drives, so maybe you never will understand.

>>1091402

I personally see no difference between the chinks who hate coco and the anons who hate kiara, both have this retarded narrative that they yare locust leech queens that will destroy hololive, then pray themselves to sleep about them announcing their retirement the next day.

when in reality they are just another member of the holo family, its pretty funny indeed.

>>1090438
she has said she would delcine her latest "priests work" if she had the chance so she is far mor confortable with hololive and probably makes as much.

>>1091516
>or, in other words, since you're still young and don't understand
>if your testicles drop and you get past being a horndog
I'm 35
You sound like you tell yourself a lot of bullshit because you're afraid of women, it's got nothing to do with being a "horndog"
Get over yourself

>>1091435
Combined with the fact she turns them off for superchat Sundays

>>1091402
KFP are just extremely loyal. Botan is great though and should be appreciated for it.

>>1091552
>Get over yourself
maybe take your own advice friend, if you're 35 and this worried over sex you may need help. thankfully i refuse to believe you're 35, so i won't have to deal with rationalizing that idea.

>>1091587
The problem is simply that Russians are all poorfags

>>1090590
that's simply not true
look at the biggest streamers in the world
most only speak one language
you have others like xqc and Pokimane who speak multiple but they only stream in English

>>1091516
Anon you couldnt sound like more of a virgin if you tried. I legitimately feel sorry for you if this is not a troll.

>>1091516
nigga stop posting your personal blog

>>1091593
I'm not worried about sex, I'm calling you out for being a delusional loser who needs to get over himself
You aren't going to find love the way you're going

>>1091610
Tumblrfags baka

>>1091604
yes, i brag about my failures to find a woman who loves me and who i love. the part where i say i wish i could find a woman i actually love -- this is peak.
you just know i love being lonely.

>>1091249
SEAnigs and chinks are always angry at how much money the Hololive girls make. Never seen it this bad on jp, it's most likely western indies seething.

>>1091633
not all women are worth fucking. i'd say most aren't.
have you seriously never rejected a girl? there's never been a girl interested in you who you just can't love no matter how hard you try?

>>1091587
>KFP are just extremely loyal
But to outperform all but 4 of them is insane
>Botan is great though and should be appreciated for it
Yep she is one of the few JP I’m not just a clip fag on

>>1091675
Why the fuck would I "try" to love anyone? You have a serious lack of testosterone. Man the fuck up. Then maybe you'd find a decent woman

>>1090589
As a KFP I’m not even mad that’s your impression seeing as the Takamori stuff she pushes (I wasn’t a huge fan of takamori before. I grew to like it but I can see how it’s grating for people) takes up a lot of how people see her. This is plain wrong though. A lot of her big spacha numbers is because she really engages with the viewers. Those 8 hour streams she has on her channel? Half of those are just reading superchats and talking to KFP. People like super chatting her because she responds, goes on long tangents about anything under the sun, remembers stuff her viewers have said to her, and even notices when some of the members disappear for a while and come back. Heck even in the slower streams like her JRPG stuff she’ll engage with fans that chat normally without superchatting.

Society is doomed throwing money at virtual avatars

>>1090013
>Mel made a little over $550
Damn that’s fucking depressing
Good to know the other girls will happily subsidize lower earners like her

>>1091519
Orange triggers primal range in humans

>>1091725
Being a holo is a side job for Mel, she's a camwhore

wait so does Mel still earn the same salary as Coco?

>>1091693
yeah, this is where i think you're projecting -- not all men are horn dog slaves. when a woman who i can't recall finds out my email from contacting old coworkers of mine, i don't think "oh wow better stick my dick in this!" because i'm not a high schooler or retarded.
you can have your version of love if you want it, fucking asses and tits till you die, i'll keep mine.
if you're one of those sociopathic r9k "robots" who can't figure out why no one wants to have sex with them, you should probably reflect on this.

>>1090571
you're a fucking retard

>>1091716
This is just a symptom of a sick society.

>>1091766
Who's projecting? I don't think I mentioned sex once
You have all these complex mental constructs to justify yourself being a cuck, but in the end, you're going to be the one who misses out because you'll never love anyone

>>1090041

>Kiara has the highest superchat among the EN group

What is this bullshit /vt/? All those crap threads shitting on Kiara and a low sub count mean jackshit if she's raking in more money.

>>1091725
Her roommate account earns more and honestly, if Mel was my oshi, I ain't giving Cover a cut of her supachas. I'll watch her stream then supacha the roommate because fuck Cover.

>>1091801
[insert cope here]

>>1091756
They all have a set baseline salary thats paid out of the superchat earnings of all the talents. Something like 10% of superchats/memberships goes into a community pool for salaries. It's probably nothing crazy but at least it's something.

>>1091898
where did you get that from?

>>1091766
Notch, is that you? Geez! You still are an ugly fella. How's it been, huh? Taking a break from Twitter?

>>1091776
Quite the opposite. These are the societies that are doing well enough that people in them feel that enough of their needs are fulfilled to the point where they don’t feel guilt at “wasting” money. All the biggest paypigs are from first world countries. Why do you think people from places like SEA and Russia, where their income and purchasing power is relatively low, don’t donate as much? As we approach a society with less and less scarcity for basic necessities we can afford to spend money on less “essential” things like art or entertainment, whatever form it takes.

>>1091898
>They all have a set baseline salary thats paid out of the superchat earnings of all the talents. Something like 10% of superchats/memberships goes into a community pool for salaries
Literal communism, fuck Cover

>>1091792
>I don't think I mentioned sex once
the fucked thing is you've successfully gotten me a bit sad because as much as i want to deny it people like you really do exist. i'd like to think you're just a kid who has plenty of time to learn, but there really are people that bad off late in their life. either way, this just justifies my original point -- watame is a nice investment to remind me people like you aren't the only thing in life. that and the general population, for all their faults, often have such complexity to make them as is.

>>1091926
Exhanging money for nothing is a symptom of a sick society

>>1091859
Did her last few streams before/1st stream after she left Japan pull in more $ than usual? I'm not insulting her at all, but am curious if they had any notable effect

>>1091756
You don't need to worry about Mel. The reason she's making so little as a Holo is because she's not streaming, but the reason she's not streaming is because being Mel is literally her third job and not the one she counts on to pay the bills. It's why when Mel said after the whole manager debacle that she was thinking about quitting but convinced to stay by the entreaties of her fans she might have actually been telling the truth.

>>1091915
From his ass lmao, it's a lie, their salaries have nothing to do with superchats.

>>1091938
>the fucked thing is you've successfully gotten me a bit sad because as much as i want to deny it people like you really do exist. i'd like to think you're just a kid who has plenty of time to learn, but there really are people that bad off late in their life
what the hell are you talking about? you don't know a single thing about me. All I'm doing is calling you an idiot. Instead of admit your own fault you just try and turn it around on me despite having nothing to go off. You're the one who's gonna lose in the end

>>1090848
This, I’ve never sent a SC but I’m member’d to all the EN girls including Mori’s tier 3.

>>1091959
you sound very chinese lol

>>1091941
Grow up

>>1091915
Not sure actually. Might've been Coco since she talks about that stuff sometimes. I vaguely recall it being mentioned when she talked about her insane superchat numbers and how it supports the other girls as well.

>>1091932
Communism is good if you don't like your society being dominated by the top 1%. It encourages diversity as niche talents are still able to support themselves for their few fans. You're free to watch Nijisanji if you prefer a company that gives their talents 95% of superchat earnings but conversely only like 5 of them make any money at all.

Do most of the homostars have dayjobs? I can't imagine trying to live off of their cut of superchat revenue

>>1091979
>Not sure actually
I'm tempted to believe it's your ass because it sounds very implausible

>>1091985
It's likely, especially because a lot of the talent seems to live around Tokyo. But who knows, maybe they're like Pekora and live with their parents.

>>1091991
It's not implausible, other vtuber agencies have similar setups. They also split superchat earnings 50/50 for collabs even if it's on a single channel.

>>1091941
If that’s your only metric for a healthy society as opposed to everyone living in it being able to live comfortably then I’ll pass on whatever mental calculus you use to measure success.

>>1091985
based department was the best thing to happen to roberu-pappy

>>1091985
Depending on how much more they get from members and Youtube they could live off just hololive.

>>1092003
That's completely different
Having a pool of money that gets redistributed across the whole company has some pretty ridiculous implications
If anything they probably just get paid a low baseline like a few thousand dollars a year

>>1091716
Not gonna say this is a good use of money. But this is just another innovation in show business. Thus far, entertainment hasn't been responsible for civilizational collapse.

>>1092003
It is afterall an organization. It benefits everybody for all the talents to be doing okay at least. There's obviously a lot of benefits to the connections the holo's have with each other, as well as the colab network they can reach into.

>>1091716
Dumb frogposter

>>1091716
Dumb keroposter

>>1091926
>These are the societies that are doing well enough that people in them feel that enough of their needs are fulfilled to the point where they don’t feel guilt at “wasting” money.
Biggest donations come from schizos who lost control of their life, spending all of their income on merchandise and superchats.

>>1091959

>>1091958
Superchats/Memberships definitely pay for the salaries. Cover isn't really a large enough company to have income from other sources lmao. Do you see anyone buying their Live2D or 3D tech at all?
Cover takes a 35% of superchat/membership/adsense. 25% goes to the company and 10% goes to salaries. Anything else needed to pay salaries comes out of the company's operating income, since obviously that 10% isn't enough to pay for 40 talents on its own.

>>1092022
You realize your own job does the same thing? Restaurants pool tips, corporations pay salaries out of the money brought in by employees. Companies on their own don't produce any money, the money they use to pay you is generated by your fellow employees.
It's not money being "redistributed" it's negotiated in the contract that cut of their earnings belongs to Cover and is then used to pay salaries.

>>1092061
>Restaurants pool tips
Wait, they do? Why the fuck tips are a thing in the first place.

>>1092039
As much as /v/ likes to push this narrative, it simply is not supported by the evidence. The fan room reviews that Haachama and Rushia did a while back indicate that the people donating to them are nerds with good jobs who have the ability and willingness spend lots of money on their hobbies.

>>1092022
This isn't ridiculous at all. Tip splitting is a system that's very common in restaurants and bars and nearly ubiquitous in casinos. In fact as for casinos, if you're looking for a job as a dealer and the place doesn't split tips that's usually a sign of a shitty, revolving door type gig.

>>1092061
>corporations pay salaries out of the money brought in by employees.
Corporations pay the lowest salaries possible and keep the rest for themselves
Restaurants pool tips, but Hololive is not a restaurant, it's more focused on the individual streamers and the "tips" in this case are much much larger
If there was a pool then it'd mean the big earners would start to get mad at the little earners for dragging the company down

>>1091941
Intangibles are still a commodity. Entertainment is a product. If you gauge everything on capital and materials then you’re indirectly shitting on labor and its ability to add transformative value, even if that value is just having a nice time

>>1092039
I doubt that the majority of people dropping huge akasupas are spending all of their income on them. Most whales probably have good jobs where those huge sums mean nothing to them.

>>1092081
Yeah it's amusing that people want to characterize the superchat whales as being like degenerate gamblers. I'm sure there are some that match that profile. But from my experience with MMO whales it tends to be like low level finance and IT guys who have a stable paycheck and no real hobbies or expenses. They just put their sizable disposable income into the one thing they do in their spare time.

>>1092096
I agree, but donations are a terrible model because you aren't actually exchanging money for anything. All it does is exploit whales, which is unethical

>>1092081
when you see thousands of dollars get lost and gained everyday on the stockmarket it becomes much easier to justify buying something infrequent like a small donation

>>1091985
A couple of them stream way too much or at too much of a volatile time to have a job or at least a full time one.

>>1092113
The biggest whales are people with mental health / addiction problems. This has actually be proven by several studies, it's not just a guess

>>1091801
KFP is gonna label this as “cope” but here I go anyway.
Kiara has had multiple major events this month. Including two karaokes, a song release, and the takimori vacation shit.
As well, she has cried on stream like 3 times this month which is always a massive influx for paypigs. She has been playing up the drama of this whole move situation, which leads to “sympathy superchats”.
Also, moreso than the other girls she really milks the superchats by having multiple readings a week all very long.

But really, all the non-kiara EN girls seem happy with their current situation (except maybe gura, but that’s not related to numberwhoring). So I just say whatever, the other girls are making plenty of money while doing what they love.

>>1091600
The real issue is you need to be a completely fake person who acts like a retard constantly. I just wanna have comfy streams where im friends with chat.

>>1091953
Part 2 of the Takamori farewell concert is her 3rd most superchatted stream in her entire career.

>>1092078
It allows restaurants to advertise lower prices while in effect sticking you with making up the cost. And of course it allows them to pay their servers shit. In theory tips allow servers to make a decent bit above minimum wage but this isn't always reality and both tip and wage theft are very common in food service.
It's a scam basically. But the hospitality industry spends a lot of money lobbying to keep the status quo.

>>1092113
Gigawhale horror stories are just that, horror stories. In both gacha and Superchatting you hear about broke college students going on all ramen diets or selling their car or whatever, but in reality those don't make up the majority of whales. They're the people who walk into a stream and go "you know what? I make money, and this is worth $50" and just throw that money whenever something funny happens.

>>1092137
I'm guessing it's just a habit for a lot of regulars who do it at the start of streams.

>>1092137
Maybe, but "lost control of their lives" implies people in financial ruin, or teetering on the brink of it. The classic alcoholic or degenerate gambler. These guys are just kind of moneyed losers.

>>1092137
>This has actually be proven by several studies
Please substantiate this claim with the sources you're citing.

>>1092174
For mobile games the majority of the money comes from a minority of the users, "whales", and most of these whales have addiction problems. There's no studies on simping streamers yet I don't think but I imagine it's similar

>>1092078
Tips are only really a thing in America. Restaurants can set their own policy but chain restaurants typically pool tips because it avoids drama. Other restaurants have their own distribution and employees will falsely report lower tips to get around it but there's no reason a waiter should deserve a tip when the cooks and cashiers etc don't get one.

>>1092090
>If there was a pool then it'd mean the big earners would start to get mad at the little earners for dragging the company down
No because it's already a part of their contract that 35% of superchats/memberships go to Cover. What the company chooses to do with that money isn't really the talent's business. Besides this isn't a new concept, Twitch streamers and Youtubers under agencies have similar contracts that involve redistributing donations.

Drama definitely happens if it's setup weird or relies too much on trust like contracts among friends. Most recently people speculated Monoe got fired from VOMS because she underreported her earnings when paying into the group pool even though she made over double TMSK's superchat income. Not saying I believe that rrat but I can see it happening with smaller agencies. The most obvious examples of a single vtuber carrying an entire agency is Patra from HoneyStrap or Haneru carrying Animare. Their incomes are so much higher than their groupmates it'd create a lot more drama and resentment if they didn't have some tiny tax for the group to make it look like they're sharing the wealth.

>>1092166
>but in reality those don't make up the majority of whales. They're the people who walk into a stream and go "you know what? I make money, and this is worth $50" and just throw that money whenever something funny happens
This discussion goes nowhere without some actual data, or at least a graph of the various superchat proportions in the total earnings. That would make for some top rrats.

>>1092232
>What the company chooses to do with that money isn't really the talent's business.
Did you miss out on Pekora's mehera attack? Of course they care

>>1092140
I wouldn’t call it cope. You’re not completely wrong because that’s how it is this month but Kiara does well enough on regular months to keep up spacha numbers with Gura despite a much smaller live viewership. I wouldn’t say Kiara is unhappy with her situation like you imply though. Yeah she’s a numberfag to the core but even when she wants to do better she gets how well she’s already doing.

>>1092288
According to Marine they have to pay for those things out of their own pocket though. She talked about it in a stream a while ago when mentioning a new project she was working on. Even despite being the top earning talents they still have to pay for everything out of pocket for things like song releases and big projects.

Pekora probably wasn't upset over money she was upset that a project she wanted to create got rejected. She doesn't need the money anon she was a NEET in her past life being supported by her parents.

>>1092265
Doubt there's any actual data on this particular subject, stream simps. There's been some on gacha games or lootbox systems like Overwatch which do seem to suggest that people with addiction problems are more likely to spend more money, but "addiction problems" doesn't necessarily mean sucking dick to buy more Tracer skins. It means a personality more susceptible to addiction. Not nearly so dramatic.

But the streamer donation business model is not the lootbox or gacha business model so its applicability is questionable anyway. One group that's attracting some attention is the onlyfans paypig so we might get a study about them at some point. They're more similar to stream simps but again, it's not exact.

>>1092117
>donations are a terrible model
How? It allows people to pay what they think the entertainment was worth. Pre-covid, there have been lots of times when I went to the kinohouse and regretted paying that much. There is no equivalent with vtubers. I supacha or not, no regrets. Whales clearly value the entertainment that much and might I remind the many times the holos have said that you dont have to supacha to enjoy their content. If a person still does so then its his choice and rather than the entertainers or the system being unethical, the blame lies on the whale for being stupid if he cant keep his spending within budget.

>>1092327
She said in her crying stream that she didn't know what management was doing with the money and she wanted to turn superchats off

>>1092265
It's called common sense. Why would you donate to a streamer if you don't have money? Beyond that people are actually fairly altruistic when they feel they're getting a good service for free -- it's not uncommon for indie devs to put up torrents of their games, or musicians to torrent their own music, so that they get more purchases. Solja boy famously did that for some of his songs, which caused a major boom for him.
Piracy and other 'selfish' consumption of media is often driven by feelings of resentment or financial necessity. As Gabe Newell put it, piracy is almost always a service issue. So it makes complete sense that sane people with some spare cash would willingly donate.

>>1092078
Reminder to tip your waiter in dollars rather than using your card to tip. It’s easier for them to obfuscate how much money they got, so they don’t have to give as much of it up to the owners/taxes.

>>1092303
I’m not a regular viewer of kiara. But from what I’ve seen it appears as if a massive sense of insecurity and emotional instability looms over everything she does. Anytime she’s happy it feels like it could just be ripped away by the slightest infraction and she will start breaking down on stream.
I feel like the numberfaggotry is just a way for her to deal with her deep rooted insecurities. I saw a clip of her “confronting her bullies” by talking about how she is more successful and makes more money. Like, that isn’t how a fufilled person speaks. A fulfilled person is just happy with what they have, and would just outright ignore their “bullies”

>>1092344
That doesn't sound like she's upset over the money just that her project got cancelled anon. I see what you're saying cuz the menhera attack was over a talent having an opinion on how corporate spends their money, but I don't wanna speculate on whether that's her own money or the money from Cover's cut.

>>1092359
>it's not uncommon for indie devs to put up torrents of their games
lol yes it is, that's a really dumb thing to do

>>1092344
thats a mistransaltion.

>>1092379
She was ultimately upset because they wouldn't do her project yes, but the point is that they do care what the company does with the money they earn for them

>>1092381
https://torrentfreak.com/game-developer-sees-boost-in-sales-after-releasing-official-torrent-200113/
I don't know who hurt you, but humans are actually pretty cool things. Maybe you've been corrupted by western Judeo-Christian original sin, or perhaps you're too autistic to understand the grays of people, but the facts speak for themselves.

>>1092359
>people donate money to and engage in drama over animated avatars
>common sense
As stupid as /mlp/ stuff

>>1092392
It's a paraphrase, but not a mistranslation

>>1090013
>>1090041
But those not include streamlabs.
Risu get more streamlabs than SC so kind expected

>>1092415
All I'm saying is that it would be very rare for an indie game developer to upload a torrent of their own game because they're deliberately sabotaging themselves

>>1092117
There is no better alternative.Yes, simps are pathetic, but they are a necessary evil in the world of vtubing. Like many other endeavors, making good content as a vtuber requires money. Vtubing without any money involved (e.g. merely as a hobby) is admirable, but it necessarily means infrequent streams and upper limits on the type of content you can produce. With that in mind, what methods are available for generating revenue as a vtuber? There are really only two. You either go the Kizuna Ai route of becoming a product/brand ambassador for hire, or you accept donations from simps. The latter route is arguably less distasteful than the former, and there aren't really any other options.
>inb4 "they should instead focus on selling (product or service) as their main source of revenue!"
Doing this requires significant overhead and is also risky. If you commission a run of real merch (i.e. not crappy T-shirts or signed cards) that doesn't sell, it could unironically ruin you. Even if it does sell, there's no guarantee how long it could actually take to sell. There's also the consideration that commissioning real merch is expensive and would almost certainly require taking out loans. It's unworkable as a main source of revenue, which is why no one uses it as such.

>>1092400
My point is I don't think it's the same scenario. In the Pekora scenario they presumably took a larger cut out of her superchats to pay for a "project" that was in limbo, out of her own pocket. That's not the same as the 35% fee that Cover gets from superchats.

I don't think you're wrong that they certainly care how the company operates, like Fubuki famously saying she'd quit if it ever became a black company. It's just, the terms are pretty clear-cut in terms of superchat/membership distribution so I don't see why they'd complain after signing the contract and streaming for over 2 years.

>>1092415
I remember three of four times this happened, it's a marketing stunt and you can't pass this off as a valid argument.

>>1092445
anon.... barely anyone uses the HoloID streamlabs....

>>1092479
>In the Pekora scenario they presumably took a larger cut out of her superchats to pay for a "project" that was in limbo, out of her own pocket.
You just pulled that presumption from absolutely nowhere. Why would they take money for something they weren't doing? It was just a project they wouldn't let her do, that they would let others do, so she was upset, and was questioning what management was doing with her money and considering turning superchats off

>>1092117
Is it really that different from cabaret clubs or any other night life venue, short of prostitution?

>>1092532
cabaret clubs are even more unethical than vtubers

>>1092117
then indie gogo and kickstarter are the same garbage. look at those oldfags buying 40page """"comics""" at 200USD

>>1092424
At the end of the day you can find no meaning in something or great meaning in something. Some people see the whole of life before them and load a bullet into their skull; some people see trains and decide to live for eighty years.
>>1092487
https://wiux.org/read/hip-hop-history-soulja-boy-trolls-limewire/
Don't care. Call it whatever you want, making consumers angry at you backfires whereas positive relations will make consumers throw money at you.
Bullshit talks money walks.

https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/research-finds-digital-piracy-can-increase-profits-for-companies-19rjc#:~:text=So%20pirates%20increase%20the%20demand,value%20of%20the%20legal%20product.%E2%80%9D&text=In%20fact,%20the%20research%20finds,be%20a%20near-monopolistic%20market.

>>1090904
Hahahahaha, what a fucking beta, you need biches so badly who only work for a fucking jezzebel who may or no may sleep with Kevin in sales. I not celebrate spen money in super chat but at last is more healthy that spend money in a slut free meal. You never has sex for any of them but at last the Vtuver makes you laught. Learn some MGTOW philosophy you pussy workshiper

>>1092140
Now explain all the previous months.

>>1092531
I feel like you're misrepresenting her words, if she actually said that about her employer in Japan she'd get sacked immediately no matter how big she is.

>>1092459
Why can't they just do built to order manufacturing? Or the kind of shit individual youtubers often do where there needs to be a certain number of orders on a product or it doesn't get made?

>>1092571
what did he mean by this?

>>1090904
It seems you've met your virgin match in
>>1092571
Enjoy eachother.

>>1092585
That was a bad paraphrase which sounds a lot more malicious than what she actually said, but I don't know how to put it any better

>>1092232
>pooled supachas
I've never heard of Cover doing this but I have heard about it over at ichikara. I could have misheard and simply pulling rrats out of my ass but it would explain a lot about 'bullying' because it is in the talents interest to limit the numbers that have access to the pool. Top nijis seem to be on completely different contracts. Like Mito doesn't even bother to have supacha on and I've never heard her involved in internal drama

>>1092232
>single vtuber carrying an entire agency is Patra from HoneyStrap or Haneru carrying Animare
this is normal for real life nip idol agencies and I wonder how that goes

>>1092378
I watch her pretty regularly and yeah while I do think she has some deep seated insecurity overall I get the impression she’s glad to be where she is. It was worse earlier but she’s been getting better about it compared to how she was early on.

>>1092519
Idk man. When RIsu read donation streamlabs takes more time than SC.

>>1092459
I think you make error in assuming everyone who donates is a simp. Sure, some V-tubers are definetly simped to high hell, and I'm sure there are a good amount of simps for every V-tuber, but their content usually isn't inherently sexual.
Patreon and other platforms have proven creators can have massive revenue streams without any sexual component to it. As an extreme example, do you think anyone was masturbating to DSP?

>>1090326
>>1090438
>>1090412
half ot the "english speakers" are poor third world monkeys. why cant you even figure it out

this goes for every other video. many amerimutt rap videos, which are utter garbage, always get more than 10mil views but they dont sell at all since most viewers are third world monkeys and dumb immigrants.

>>1092459
I don't know have you actually taken a look at the Nijisanji store?
https://shop.nijisanji.jp/s/niji/item/list?ima=1145&tp=PHYSICAL
CDs, badges, rubber playmats, manga, books, hoodies, t-shirts, posters, wall scrolls, beanies, watches, acrylic stands, bags and satchels, covid masks, towels, blankets, food bowls and drinking glasses, mugs, chopsticks, plushies, kigus, stickers, pins, badges. It seems like they have just about every kind of merch you could think of.

>>1092590
>Why can't they just do built to order manufacturing?
How much experience do you have with this? Remember that large, reputable companies are not going to waste machine time on orders that are small time, and a smaller company that will take the job is likely to be both less capable and less trustworthy. If your contractor delivers a substandard product or delivers the product late, it could very well end up sinking your business.
>Or the kind of shit individual youtubers often do where there needs to be a certain number of orders on a product or it doesn't get made?
Look at your own question again. Do you not see the many problems that make this untenable as the main source of revenue for a corporation with expenses beyond those of an individual streamer?

>>1092661
Cover definitely does it, otherwise Aki would be homeless considering she doesn't have a roommate career and doesn't make a lot from superchats. Especially since Miko/Aki/Mel all had months-long hiatuses and seemingly survived just fine.

I'd almost think it's industry standard for agency vtubers at this point. Honestly I don't understand what the argument is in thinking any talent agency wouldn't take a cut to pay salaries? Like it's not even "pooling" superchats in this case it's just using revenue to pay incomes. Actually pooling superchats would be taking all their income and redistributing it evenly across the board, not taking a small cut.

>>1092745
you clearly have never worked with indians or chinks, and yes, you can get quality product out of india

>>1092768
>considering she doesn't have a roommate career
how do you know?

>>1092665
Pure speculation here, I think her earlier numberfagging and emotional breakdowns had to do with her past persona. Basically nothing worked out like she wanted and in fact a couple things blew up spectacularly. The fact that she wasn't screaming out of the gate was interpreted as being yet another thing she was going to fail at. If you've been a long time fuck up you start to get the notion that you're inherently broken and everything you try to do will turn to shit.

She's mellowed out because she's realized it isn't like that.

>>1092782
I'm dating her roommate.

>>1092140
>milks the superchats by having multiple readings
now this is cope

>>1092768
>otherwise Aki would be homeless considering she doesn't have a roommate career
Aki is a married woman with children. Not even joking.

>>1092829
i would be proud of my mother desu. i get worried about her being lonely :(

>>1092829
She's probably the only vtuber I'm happy for that she has a loving family and isn't available. She seems too perfect as wife material to end up as a christmas cake.

Well, Choco too but she's a well known whore so I think she's single by choice.

how do i make my mom a v-tuber

>>1092776
I have no experience working with Indian companies. In regards to Chinese companies, you need guanxi if you don't want to be scammed and want your product to be decent. Don't know someone who has connections in Shenzhen? Don't bother.

>>1092795
That’s honestly about what I thought too but I didn’t wanna get too much into roommate stuff

>>1090013
>All the Holostars are doing well
I mean yeah, a lot aren't competitive but I'm glad they're able to make a living from this. Good on them.

>>1092807
>conveniently leaves out the “per week”
She is the only holo EN that does multiple readings a week. She does the weekly readings and then on top of that she will dedicate latter halves of streams for reading superchats.

>>1092665
She needs to realize that her number obsession is disrespectful to the other holos. I wouldn’t call someone so obsessed with numbers “glad to be where she is”. Clearly she wants better numbers

>>1092745
>How much experience do you have with this?
Hololive literally already does BTO manufacturing through booth though?

>>1092532
It is close to be honest. They are both entertainment products after all. Thankfully, Cover never copied or forced talents into cabaret tactics. Early rrats have it that Lamy left her previous agency, where she was the top earner, because it adopted blatantly virtual cabaret shit. At least in Lamy's mind, Cover is a legit entertainment agency.

>>1092863
>Well, Choco too but she's a well known whore so I think she's single by choice.
How to spot a guy who's never watched Choco. Yes, Choco is not an innocent maiden, but she's never pretended to be one or otherwise lied to or misled her viewers on this point. She's actually talked a fair bit about how her parents have been pushing her to get married and how she's had really bad luck with dates.
>that guy whose first date was good but whose second date was at a pachinko parlor
>that guy who took her to karaoke only to ogle her boobs the whole time and then asked her if she would give birth to his children
>that guy who wanted her to split the bill for dinner AND gas money

>>1092582
Crying on stream and pressuring the other holos into collabs is a monthly thing for her.
Hey I mean if she wants numbers then fine she can have numbers. But it’s obvious the other girls are more satisfied than her, considering none of them have mental breakdowns for all to see.

>>1093013
>that guy who wanted her to split the bill for dinner AND gas money
Anon that is pretty reasonable, it takes two to go on a date and she probably makes more money than 90% of salarymen anyway. Did she really find it disrespectful that a guy asked for like $5 for gas money? Not everyone is rich. Also I think her having bad dates is more a reflection of her own tastes in men than pure bad luck. She could straight up make her simps fight to the death for her if she wanted to.

>>1092714
>covid masks
You can really slap a vtuber on anything and sell it. Although they have stealthy designs that don't reveal powerlevel.

>>1091792
dude all of us are men, and if any of us want a girlfriend is for sex urges, yes talk about get a girlfriend is talk of sex, not be full retart. Besides you used words like cuck who mean somebody who has no sex.

>>1092964
Look, pulling aside the curtain for a bit:
I think she'll come off her numbers bullshit after a year or so. Old habits die hard, and for a while it wasn't just a habit it was a lifestyle. One that was probably very much forced on her. I understand how disrespectful to her senpais it is, and I agree, but I'm also sympathetic to her plight. You don't get over the kind of shit that she went through in six months. And I know this word is thrown around by social justice warrior types a lot, but I would not blame her if she did have some legitimate form of post-traumatic stress disorder from that. Now that she's back home in her own environment I would expect to see her get a lot better. I won't pretend to predict the future, so take what I say with a grain of salt. I can only hope the little bird will spread her wings.

>>1093025
>Crying on stream
explain why isn't watame higher than her then?
>pressuring the other holos into collabs
collabs get shit SC in general
But it’s obvious the other girls are more satisfied than her.
She is plenty satisfied, and has said so on stream plenty of times, anyone who watched streams instead of letting these threads think for them would know.

>>1090237
>>1090153
Anyone know what percentage a nijisaniji liver pockets?

>>1093158
I've heard Nijisanji gives 95% after Youtube's cut. The other 5% goes to the salaries. Details like whether thats only for JP or applies to all branches is unknown.
Unlike Cover, Ichikara is an actual tech company that have successful products and sell merch and shit so they don't rely on streamer income.

Don't ask me for a source though I'm just reposting what gets posted in the Niji threads I lurk.

>>1093158
The only figure we know for sure for nijisanji is that they get 50% of voice pack sales after platform fees, but they sell them through their own platform now so probably not much more than a few percent lost there, hence why a lot of them like to direct people towards if they have them.

I love how spergy and autistic this board is. You may think I'm joking but I swear to god I'm not.

why do poorfags care so much about what other people do with their money

>>1092532
>>1092996
And there's a virtual cabaret anyway https://www.yumenographia.com/#/ have fun talking to an anime girl for 3000+ yen

>>1093210
>Unlike Cover, Ichikara is an actual tech company that have successful products and sell merch and shit so they don't rely on streamer income.
fucking autistic nijiniggers

>>1092964
You’re not wrong about the numberfagging being disrespectful. I’m a KFP despite her numberfagging not because of it, but emotions are complex and I don’t think it’s paradoxical to think that she’s glad to be in Hololive and happier than she was before while still being insecure about that stuff. Like >>1093108 I do hope she gets out of the numberfagging mentality though and grows into a healthier mindset.

>>1093314
I've literally never seen anyone say they get 95% anywhere so I assume that guy is trolling.

>>1093154
>collabs get shit SC in general
Utter bullshit. Collabs are some of the most SC’d streams.
>She is plenty satisfied, and has said so on stream plenty of times
Actions speak louder than words. She still cries on stream, searches out for hate comments, and obsesses over any possible subscriber goal.

>>1093108
She’s lucky she didn’t become homeless and starve. Moving to Japan with no plan other than “I want to become famous!!” is fucking stupid. She is lucky to have actually made it and should count her blessings rather than numberfagging.
>PTSD
PTSD from what? The wrestling situation??

>>1093314
I probably watch 99% Hololive, the only Nijis I watch are Alice and Lulu and Hana because I'm an EOP. Just stating facts anon, no hard feelings.

If you actually watched any of Nijisanji's 3D content their tech is significantly far ahead of Cover. They've done streams playing sports and jump rope and shit in 3D while Cover can't even give Polka a ball that doesn't float in midair. Or hell they couldn't even give Polka a way to move her arms below her waist without it clipping through her skirt except wearing cardboard.

>>1093371
you're stating conjecture, which seems kind of strange if you don't have a bias

>>1093371
>I probably watch 99% Hololive, the only Nijis I watch are Alice and Lulu and Hana because I'm an EOP.
How are you in any way qualified to state "facts" again?

>>1093393
How is it conjecture that Cover's 3D is worse than commercially available 3D? Have you seen Polka or Botan's 3D streams?

>>1093410
What exactly makes someone qualified to talk about 3D tech? As someone that actually works with 3D tech I can tell you Cover's is worse without knowing any Japanese because it's visually obvious.

>>1093414
Your first post was entirely conjecture, your second post isn't relevant to the discussion

>>1093438

>>1090013
how much of that do the holos pocket? conservative est. 20%?
>¥3m=~$28.1k
>$5620
that's still a really good amount of money imo

>>1093446
I did preface it with not having a source so it shouldn't be interpreted as factual that Nijisanji takes 0% of superchats, that part could be totally bullshit.

The stuff about their 3D and Ichikara being a better tech company is true though. You can look up their investors compared to Cover, their sponsorships compared to Cover, their merch compared to Cover; it's not really conjecture to say they make a significantly larger share of income off that stuff. Cover can't even make a real online shop with consistently available merch, they can never hope to match Ichikara's non-Youtube income.

It may be irrelevant if you don't believe the thing about superchats though, so sorry for misleading you if you thought I work for Ichikara or something. Talents aren't actually allowed to say how much they make so it's all speculation and conjecture there.

>>1093363
>PTSD from what? The wrestling situation??
Kiki was an idol for a very long time and that industry is extremely grueling, for a gaijan I can only imagine how much worse it would be. Constant schedule changes, awful hours, horrific competition, plus threats of or even actual molestation, and I think the idol group disbanded because one of the members committed suicide or had suicidal tendencies. All that stacked upon what Japanese work culture is, plus being a foreigner? Yes I can see that amount of stress to be traumatizing. Especially if your only acquaintance with the culture of Japan to be from anime and manga.

>>1093363
Kiara had a very dedicated group of online gossip mongers that psychotically documented her life and talked about her in howling, mocking derision. Now you can ignore that, but I think everyone here would find it hard to ignore a group of people discussing your life in the most negative terms possible. Like just imagine having chris-chan levels of attention on your every waking action.

PTSD sounds a little strong because people only imagine Fallujah veterans but it's a spectrum disorder and actually not uncommon. A tough, ongoing situation is more of a contributor than sudden, brief horror. PTSD might still be off the mark, you shouldn't diagnose online, but Kiara will probably be living with the paranoia that she's the butt of someone's joke or that people are secretly laughing behind her back for a long time. Very easy to imagine a panic disorder or something similar developing. It happens all the time with people who are bullied in school and this was just an intensified version of that.

>>1093630
Btw this isn't to say that kiara wasn't cracked a bit from the start. Maybe she was, but this all can only make that worse.

>>1093532
>Nijisanji takes 0% of superchats, that part could be totally bullshit.
It is. The only group that we’re sure doesnt take a cut in supacha is Gyari/VOMS.

>>1093630
>Kiara had a very dedicated group of online gossip mongers that psychotically documented her life and talked about her in howling, mocking derision
Sounds like you could be talking about the treatment vtubers get here.

>>1093692
it's pretty common for famous people to receive a lot of negative attention, and that can easily drive people insane. but the sort of attention you get on /cow/ and whatnot, just nothing but a steady stream of the worst faith takes on your actions and constant cheering on for you to fail and give up. that's a bit of a different beast. and yeah you often see that attitude here as well.

>>1090013
Mel graduation when? Or does she have some dirt on yagoo since the incident

>>1090079
remember that YouTube and Cover take a big cut.

>>1090091
Not even chinks claim she doesn't make money cocofag

just some disclaimer:
the talents get around 33-36% of the superchat income
and japan has dynamic income tax.
most holos fall into 10% income tax, but the higher earners are in the 20%.
coco's february superchat earnings is barely under the next, 23% bracket.

¥18,727,986*0.35*0.8=¥5,243,836 (using 35% cut)

this converts roughly to
$50k
€40k

also this is only the superchat earnings, you have to keep in mind that they get a wage from Cover + promotional shit.

>>1090627
you can dislike her without being one moron

>>1093837
They'll never graduate her because the entire reason her career tanked was due to Cover hiring a manager that tried to rape her. She was doing fine before her hiatus.

>>1093760
>/cow/
Don't they just target fellow 8gaggers nowadays? Funny how that entire internet subculture just devolved into infighting.

>>1093363
>collabs get shit SC in general
>Utter bullshit. Collabs are some of the most SC’d streams.
Anon stop embarrassing yourself over shit you can easily look up, the only outlier was her takamori good bye concert for obvious reasons, every other collab is bellow her usual amounts, and if you look up the rest of the you will notice the same applies.
>She’s lucky she didn’t become homeless and starve. Moving to Japan with no plan other than “I want to become famous!!”
yet again talking out of your ass, one would think that if you are gonna bring this shit up you would at least know she worked her ass off at retail to save enough to be able to afford her travel expenses as well as her hobbies to the point of living as a poorfag even if she didn't need to, as she herself said on stream "100$ was enough to survive back home as long as you could save the rest"

>>1093875
Most of them probably make decent bank from memberships as well.

I'm sure even the lowest tier like Mel and Aki have like triple digit members. 500 members x 500 yen a month x 0.35 = $875/month. And that's on the very low end, like maybe the ID girls. Multiple that by like 10x or 20x for the girls who aren't struggling like Subaru or Kanata.

>>1093963
oh yeah, that thing exists.
i live in a 2nd world shithole and make more money than 90% of my country, but still make less than 90% of these girls
i am filled with envy

>>1093837
>mel made $550 USD
>coco made $175,000.

>>1093630
>PTSD sounds a little strong because people only imagine Fallujah veterans but it's a spectrum disorder and actually not uncommon.
Exactly right. Like most self diagnosed mental illnesses PTSD has become a dirty word. However there is only so much stress any given individual can take before that stress becomes traumatic stress. The complication of neurosis, phobias, etc. It's just what's known as post-traumatic stress disorder.

That being said, I think Kiara has a neurotic need to keep up with her numbers born from her early days in Japan.

>>1093875
>Roberu "Am I tax?"

>>1093948
You should tell him to look at how much SC Ame's collabs get. They are ridiculously low. Collabs in general get less SC's than even normal streams.

>>1090079
If it were that easy then camgirls wouldn't exist.