/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I noticed the 1st Umisea and the MV have a relatively large number of dislikes. I assume that's because Aqua's in it.

>>10004624
You need to get out of /here/ more and get some perspective.

>>10004624
>disliked
by who ?/vt/. The view number says otherwise
>inb4 numberfag
how else you measure whether something success or not if not with number?

>>10004624
>disliked

>>10004624
Their one job is having entertaining conversations and they literally can't understand each other. It's a stupid idea.

>>10004624
I haven't watched it. What's so bad about it?
I know people were saying Gura was out of place not being able to speak JP but that's not really a new thing, Amelia plays games with Roboco occasionally for example.

>>10004798
5ch hates it way more than this board. That should be enough for you.

>>10004624
The people who disliked it are the jelly N*ji fans and chinks.

>>10004879
SCs

>>10004879
oh no.. not the 3 japanese schizos..!

>>10004879
anti threads aren't really the place for astute and accurate commentary.

>>10004879
I assume he meant "get out of tibetan basket weaving forums".

>>10004901
Nobody - not even other Holos - are jealous of 'poggers ocean' being used in an official song.

t. Nijichad.

>>10004867
It was cute. People just love to bitch

>>10004624
Who cares what the haters think? As long as it's making money for the company

>>10004867
The vast majority of people agree that it was forced and inorganic. On top of questionable choices for an EN/JP unit. These are the biggest complaints alongside almost complete lack of chemistry amongst the four.

>>10004959
>poggers ocean
w-wat...?

>>10004723
Why would it had to do with Aqua?

>>10004624
Nigger nobody cares what this place thinks

>>10004624
Was there ever a board that existed in its own pocket dimension as much as /vt/?

>>10005009
>questionable choices for an EN/JP unit
I think it was just water themed. Shark, squid, aqua, pirate. But yes, they should have gotten someone who could translate. Wasn't that the obvious choice behind hiring Kiara?

Speak for yourself. The collabs were great. Your gaijin mind couldn't process the purpose of this. You'll be L when he dies before realizing that Light Yagami is Kira.

>>10004879
No, they don't? Do you even lurk there? 5ch and Futaba mostly loved it, you literally just have to read the threads, there are actually fewer haters there than here surprisingly.

>>10005128
Japanese fans hated it more than EOPs.

>>10005161
you keep saying that like repeating it will make it true

the majority of the people outside this shithole seem to like it.

>>10005161
Please point me to the threads where they shit on it
Really, browing 5ch is a fucking pain and I don't want to search for it

>>10005057
Reps

>>10005205
The majority of people in this shithole like it too, it's just that this place is the kind of place where if a schizo is really dedicated enough they can make themselves seem like a majority opinion.

>>10005057
Chinks hate Aqua and bother her and Fubuki since Coco left.

>>10004624
The Minecraft collab was great and generated a lot of clips.

>>10005235
>>10005304
Chinks absolutely love Aqua because she didn't bow down to Coco like Fubuki. She was beloved on Bilibili you fucking retards.

>>10004624
>Has there ever been a unit in Hololive this panned/disliked?

Most reasonable critics >here don't have a problem with the "unit" itself in general, only with the corporate execution surrounding it. It's great to have Gura, Ina and Aqua, Marine interact, and I hope they'll do it more now even after the manufactured "project" part is over and they're hopefully more comfortable around each other.
The high-point so far has been the minecraft collab, and you know guess why that is? It had the least amount of corporate interference, just the talents interacting relatively organically and goofing around. The first MariPa had a chaperone, the Umisea animation shorts are soullessly scripted, and the supposed culmination of the project and "end product", the song, was rather underwhelming. So they were at their best when Cover meddled the least, and if they continue in this direction further, at least something good will have come from this forced corpo project.

>If it was hated this hard what does this mean for the future of JP/EN collabs?

It will mean nothing, why would it? Whatever metrics Cover has set themselves to gauge the "success" of this project, it's certainly not "like/dislike % on youtube?" (which isn't super bad anyway) or "how is the reception on 4chan?". If it gets them whatever view number or sales number targets they have set, they will consider it a "success".

Also, asking about the "future of JP/EN collabs" in a general sense isn't meaningful, as most collabs are organized personally between the talents themselves. What you rather mean is what it'd mean for "corporate unit projects" specifically, and it's not like this will impact their planning on those in any meaningful way either way. Again, why would they consider this project a "failure"? Our personal feelings on the quality of the contents aside, Cover has other metrics to look at what constitutes "success", and it'll probably meet those. Corpo unit projects were always a thing, and will continue to be a thing in the future.

>>10005335
Yeah, eight months ago maybe, not anymore.

>>10005215
Nigga, if Futaba didn't hate it why would 5ch? People saying japs hated it can't even understand Japanese. If you can you can just check for yourself:
https://dec.2chan.net/84/res/1036504.htm
https://dec.2chan.net/84/res/1044268.htm
https://dec.2chan.net/84/res/1045295.htm
https://dec.2chan.net/84/res/1043067.htm
https://dec.2chan.net/84/res/1042018.htm
https://dec.2chan.net/84/res/1040997.htm

>>10005341
>like/dislike % on youtube?" (which isn't super bad anyway)
Even if they did the like dislike % was basically the same as any other big stream so it wouldn't raise any eyebrows even if they were paying attention to it.

UMISEA is great. The MC collab was amazing

>>10005402
>People
It's literally one guy who is the same retard who keeps repeating shit like "Nips don't care about Gura" without proof because he thinks that his opinion is repentative of JOP opinion despite never actually meeting an actual nip before or most likely unable to even read nip.

>>10004624
Nobody dislikes them as a whole, it's just that it reeks of corporate pandering and not enough preparation. This is such a logistic cluster fuck, but then again what was I expecting from management? Marine and Aqua are already established in theme, lore, and personality and their dynamic interaction is great. Aqua is the senpai but too socially awkward to enforce it, Marine being the extrovert knows how to bully without going to far and you get a constant push/pull of teasing each other. So what do Ina and Gura bring to this dynamic? Ina can JP but Marine and Aqua are more interested in Gura but she can't JP so just mostly sits there trying to play while being distracted trying to figure out what they're talking about. So you have Ina just doing her thing but no one really cares about because she's so lowkey and Gura just doing her thing because no one can communicate with her. If 50% of the collab is just doing their own thing why collab at all? To make it worse it's so obvious someone/group dropped the ball here but no one can say anything. The talents are good at interpersonal interaction within the talent pool but only if communication is possible in the first place. This is where management should've told them to do more collabs with each other to get a better feel of how to interact on stream before doing this which means management ultimately dropped the ball, and no wonder since they know the fanbase will eat up whatever they shit out. But everyone knows how shitty this was. I'm not saying it was the worst thing, it's not some graduation level extinction event. But it's a 4/10 at best and they're damaging the brands of 4 talents for a quick buck.

>>10005304
>>10005365
>eight months
Then why are they still pumping out so many videos of Aqua on iwara and no other holomen?

>>10005335
Holy fucking retard for real. Just memoryhole everything that happened in the last 6 months.

>>10005402
I saw more discussion about rurudo being in chat than anything about UMISEA, so I guess they don't care or they don't discuss about it in the general thread

>>10004624
>A few schizos in the smelliest toilet of the internet force themselves to hate it
>Has there even been a(n) unit in Hololive this disliked?

>>10004624
So is this the new shitposting meta now? Say something that's obviously false and proclaims a general opinion so anons flock into the topic to refute it?

>>10005580
>management should've told them to do more collabs with each other to get a better feel of how to interact on stream before doing this
Yeah and then we can finally get our EN+JP project in 2 years because they are all social autist.

>>10005420
Yeah that's what I said. Like/Dislike % doesn't really matter, and even if it did, the ratio for the song vid isn't anything particular out of the ordinary. Currently at 38760/449, which is around 1,15 %, so totally normal and insignificant noise floor.
The numbers they actually look at are probably view impressions and, later when it's released, sales numbers.

Also, even if, in the very unlikely event, it doesn't meet whatever metrics they have set, it's not like Cover will then go "oh well, this one thing didn't work out, let's pack it up boys and just never do any corpo unit projects in the future ever again!", like the OPtard apparently seems to think. They'll just do a different new project instead.

>>10005666
>So is this the new shitposting meta now?
Anon it has been this way for a decade, it works literally everywhere including other sites

>>10005335
They did until she eventually interacted with Coco and even showed up on her graduation stream. Now she's a traitor. Go look at all her streams, they all have 250-400 dislikes even for mundane content. 700-something for her recent 3D.

>>10005103
>Kiara
she might tank numbers

>>10004867
Nothing, just reatards baiting.

>>10005365
>>10005636
Absolute fucking imbeciles. Go ask on any Chinese forum or whatever and Aqua will come up as their favorite.

The new song they released is mediocre and lacking direction but I like them as a group. The two game streams they did was pretty well received.

>>10005341
Cover is going to see this as a massive success and block off gura from doing more collabs with popular jps until they are ready to shill it as a promotional event.

>>10004624
It’s probably the most liked collab outside of this place. Just because your oshi is not in it, doesn’t mean everyone hates it. It’s very popular.

>>10005666
Enjoying your first day here?

>>10005796
You need to fucking understand we're talking about chinks and not the fans who have the misfortune of living in china.

>>10005796
You sound like a chink that likes Aqua. Which is fine, I'm sure she still has a fanbase there since she was popular before and not everyone wants to get on the nationalist hate train (esp Taiwanese). But to pretend she's not still being spammed, disliked, and otherwise harassed is disingenuous.

>>10004624
they're just kind of boring together
Whether or not it was a corporate idea to bring them together and make them an "idol unit" matters less than the fact that their dynamic is just kind of lacking

I'd much rather watch AmeSameIna play Mario party

>>10005745
Poor Aqua, maybe this Umisea think was also a way to cheer her up and introduce her channel to a new audience.

>>10005693
nta, but the point is still valid. They should've done more personal collabs first to build organic chemistry. "But they're all autists so they would've never started!" isn't the great rebuttal you think it is. There exists some sensible middleground between "leave it all to themselves and nothing ever gets done because they're too shy" and "let management micromanage everything and force them together for a hurried collab just days before the actual end product (song) releases".

>my oshi is not a part of it
>then it must be hated by everyone
>I’m not spamming threads

>>10005938
It's literally because she has an aquatic motif. Her and Ina are just kind of incidentally connected to the project. Marine and Gura are the primary reason this was created.

>>10005848
>>10005899
But like, do they really hate her just because she interacted with Coco once in Minecraft through the in-game chat and was part of Coco's last stream? If that was the case wouldn't there be other more obvious targets like Fubuki or literally anyone else who also interacted and was part of that stream?

>>10006019
Um, yes? You know Fubuki is also being targeted right?

>>10005796
The entirety of Hololive are still popular in China. A bunch of retard literal IRL tribalists are not the fanbase. Just like the retards on here aren't in the slightest bit representative of the greater English community.
I saw Gura videos on Bili the other day when watching some archives of someone, never even tried to find them, many of them in the sidebar.

“I have never advocated UMISEA except as means of collab, so seek collab, but prepare for UMISEA. Because UMISEA... UMISEA never changes."
t. u/schizo Grrat

>>10006019
They legitimately thought Aqua was secretly on their side and valued their patronage. Same with Fubuki who was rather popular in China, though she made it super clear who's side she was on in the very first week by talking about meeting Coco IRL during her suspension. When it turned out Aqua was either just completely oblivious to the whole thing or just trying to stay out of the line of fire, rather than being their secret ally, they turned on her too.

>>10005341
>>10005420
>>10005703
Dislike is inaccurate since these is bunch of antis that will dislike any video which involve aqua.

Sure, I think so at least. Bloom units, O’riends, Holotoru, ChocoSubaLuna, Bakate circus, PekoMoona…

Every single one of these groups have been panned here in some way or other, some enjoy them
but the vast majority of vt hates them.

They are going to say oh no thats not true because that was all organic or whatever, but you know it to be true,
4chan will hate anything from any company or indie if given the chance.

>>10006015
I have a feeling this was a Marine idea that picked the interest of management. Notice how they focus of her being the "leader", the "capitain" of the group on Umisea #4. That and they also probably wanted to test the waters for future themed units.

>>10006104
Why would they even think that? Lmao, as if Aqua would turn her back on her own company who pays her wage and made her into what she is right now.

>>10005580
Continually asking them all to fuck up their schedules for the sake of "chemistry" is dumb. Even then, the Mario Party one was okay and the Minecraft one was great, so they have no issues with chemistry, which is your main criticism. It sounds like you watched two clips from the Mario Party stream and reached your conclusion before any other content was revealed.

>>10006205
Nooooo, stop, it was China that made her!! China made her popular!! Our princess!
lmao, they are delusional as fuck. The posts on that shit forum were embarrassing.

>>10005341
Most reasonable post in this thread. Thank you.

>>10006004
My oshi is part of it, and the only thing I like about it is the interpersonal intangible part (that she has made connections with new girls and will hopefully use them more again in the future) - but I'd be lying if I said the corpo "products" that came out of this project (the shorts and the song) are anything amazing.
Again, the best "test" to gauge the quality is to remove any personal biases. What would my opinion of the shorts or the song be, if my oshi wasn't in it, and it was just some strangers' video with whom I didn't have any emotional attachment? No, I would honestly say it how I think it, this is garbage and I don't like it. ONLY because my oshi is in it I even watched it in the first place, and even then, I'm still thinking "well... I'm happy that you had fun at least... (the actual product itself is still shit, but hey it's not your fault but the company's)"

>>10004624
disliked by who? retards from here? if anything that's a good thing

>>10006205
IDK, I guess it's living in a propaganda state that constantly tells you that everyone loves or fears you and it's your destiny to control all the nations around you. Same reason these people spaz out and try to strongarm the NBA, or Blizzard or 2nd tier countries like Canada or Australia. To them, if you have financial leverage over someone, they're obligated to obey you.

>>10006205
Desperation and denial, The situation is more desperate for them (the one who actually cares) that for us, remember that they pretty much have to watch them through VPN after that. Just imagine yourself if suddenly you can only watch your favourites in NND because of something.happened that forces them out of YT. They cling on the hope that they will return to bilibili and back to it used to be.

>>10006052
If the antis were that irrelevant then hololive would still be doing business with china, maybe fans shouldn't have been bitches and showed their support more than antis

>>10004867
>corpo collab
Can't even communicate, need A-Chan as babysitter translator
>corpo skits
Literally fucking braindamage levels of "humor" that consists of just spamming meme phrases like A and pretending Ina is a literal octopus who lives undersea (Wtf?)
>corpo song
"POGGERS OCEAN"

An embarrassment all around.

>>10006108
Holy recline

>>10004879
5ch hates gaijins in all forms

>>10006371
They hate Aqua and Marine way more than EN due to their pasts. EN is actually pretty nichely popular on 5ch. Do your reps

>>10006205
it's basic stan behavior, demand more than your oshi is willing to give and go full retard when you realize you're not special to them. Tbf the CN fans put a ton of personal effort, time, and money into making them more popular including making game mods, clips, memes (Aqua onion), and other stuff. After all that they felt the company and the talents owed them some loyalty in comparison to the new EN market they were trying to expand into, then the girls more or less sided with Coco, CN branch shutdown, and they went full retard.

>>10006371
Ironic because a gaijin owns them.

>>10006323
They weren't irrelevant, they were at just the right numbers to become a problem. When most sites are so shitty they have no protections against bots, you realistically can't do shit. Youtube is a shitty site, the chat is even worse.
They were still a minority. A well coordinated minority. There's a reason other people in the Chinese fanbase tried to hunt these cunts down and successfully did so for a few of them.

>>10005402
Not criticizing your point about the Japanese not hating it, but uh
> if Futuba didn't hate it why would 5ch?
is so stupid. You know you're basically saying "if /r/hololive didn't hate it why would /vt/?"
The Hololive dedicated board on futaba chan is basically completely Hololive positive. The only Hololive hate on futaba ever came from the general Vtuber board. 5ch is where you have antis, autists, rrats and toxicity like 4chan. Just because 4chan as an image board is based off Futaba-chan doesn't mean they share the same culture at all, 4chan stole 2ch(now 5ch)'s culture. Futaba's Hololive board is the best parts of an image board with the positivity of /r/Hololive. Basically the ideal place for a Hololive fan to chill hang out.

>>10004624
The writing for the shorts was fucking atrocious.

The EN lines were written by an ESL who didn't know shit about the EN girls other than a few reddit memes.

>>10006480
They clearly were enough that every chinese company decided that the holo name was poison, the girls being bullied wasn't the problem, it was the company getting fucked

>>10006332
They communicated just fine in the MC collab and they literally made the joke that Ina isn't a real Octopus

>>10006664
>every chinese company decided that the holo name was poison
Only like 1 or 2 companies banned mentioning Hololive on their games, the rest was fine with it.

>No chemistry behind a tenous sea connection
>Gura straight up could not communicate with the JP girls
>Atrociouis writing for the skits
>Bad song
Its soulless and so blatantly corporated mandate that it feels like I'm watching that Simpsons episode that had Poochie in it.

>>10004879
oh no, the 15 NEET Japanese nationalists are butthurt and they speak for the entire Japanese people
Kys faggot, you don't speak for me either

>>10006931
oh no, the 15 NEET American cucks are happy about the collab and they speak for the entire American people
Kys faggot, you don't speak for me either

>>10007149
>Has no argument
>Responds like a literal toddler

Seek a rope or some therapy

>>10006480
They also pressured multiple Chinese companies into not doing business with Hololive and even tricked the publisher of Muse Dash into adopting a political position it couldn't back out of without seeming disloyal. Basically even a small number of people can throw around a lot of weigh simply by accusing you of disloyalty to the government, and the only possible rebuttal is to take the position of maximum possible political and cultural compliance.

>>10007309
>publisher of Muse Dash into adopting a political position it couldn't back out of without seeming disloyal.
???

>>10006751
Did you forget that they lost most of their chinese sponsors and one executive from asus explicitly wanted to fuck over hololive (and got fired)? You're trying to downplay the situation way too much, even if you say 2 games banned them is wrong since at least 5 big gachas and games banned them

It was fun. I can't wait for more cross-branch collabs, especially if they put this much or more effort in.

>>10007533
>Did you forget that they lost most of their chinese sponsors
they're still there, they were the main reason kiryu coco left.
>executive from asus explicitly wanted to fuck over hololive (and got fired)
dude got fired, dude. what else did you want?

>>10005402
It’s cute how similar their threads are to ours.

>>10007718
>they're still there, they were the main reason kiryu coco left.
I'm amazed those chinese sponsors that were there all that time for some reason let cover get out of bilibili which is the only way to even be in the chinese market and also can the chinese branch, only to take revenge a year later and still lose everything, totally not a schizo theory
>dude got fired, dude. what else did you want?
The mere fact that a fucking executive tried the shit he did means that antis are legimately a large force in china, you don't see this behaviour anywhere else

It's mostly chink schizos who come here to scream hatred because Aqua is involved.
And Gura fans who don't know any Japanese getting annoyed because they have no idea whats going on.

While putting them together with the language barrier does present issues.
I think overall it worked. It would have worked a lot better if Gura knew Japanese and if the girls had contrived it so they spent more time talking to each other explaining what they were doing/planning for their respective language audiences.
Realistically? You'd need one or two Ollie tier english/jap speakers who can very quickly shift between languages without thinking.

who the fuck dislikes them? first time i hear this. i love the unit and most people do too. i have never seen a negative comment except a few schizos on this website

>>10005009
>MUH Chemistry
There's that buzzword again

>>10008407
explain how it's a buzzword

>>10007475
They spoofed or hacked their twitter and made a statement that they were revoking game permissions from Hololive because they were against One China, basically putting the company in a position of either trying to defend Hololive or sucking it up and pulling the permissions.

>>10006502
>The Hololive dedicated board on futaba chan is basically completely Hololive positive.
Based. Seems like i got to lurk futaba chan from on.
>>10005247
This. Fucking /vt/ is practically a containment cesspool.
>>10007149
Made me kek.

>>10004624
you can't force people to like shit (Marine is the only likable one here)

PekoMoona is 100% not forced and 100000x better.

haha imagine they had someone who spoke english and japanese like Coco, haha...

>>10008487
you're using jargon and lingo no different than recruiters use on Linkedin
empty words, meaningless, useless shallow criticism and nitpicks
I could literally rewrite your sentence with words like "synergy", "brings to the table" or "the big picture" and it'd have the same shallow ring to it

>>10008407
It's not a buzzword, but I do feel chemistry between them, it's just awkward because they're just starting to know each other and one of them doesn't speak japanese, but as a group, their personalities blend in quite nicely.

>>10008631
and what did they do?

>>10008691
Moona forces herself on Pekora all the time.

>>10004624
>hated this hard
Are you really not aware of how little the general opinions of /vt/ matter in the grand scheme of things?

>>10008738
Anon I'm sorry you were too autistic that you didn't get hired but those are real words with real meanings

>>10004624
But I liked it...
The song is meh and the voice acting in the shorts is cringey, but the streams have been awesome.

>>10008870
No it's fair that they are but it still applies. there's a reason why they're called "corporate jargon" words and phrases, they're overused and in a sense lose all their impact

>>10008868
Pekora didn't need to be forced to like Moona. It's genuine.

>>10004798
The activity in this thread proves it s controversial. Hopefully they'll encourage and shill more natural and organic groups rather than trying to astroturf their idol units.

>>10008691
Umisea is as forced as pekobirb, while pekomoon and okakoro are examples of natural units that can show off a good rapport. EN's trinity are another good example, along with gurame, gurina, guramori, inamori, and even rikkamori. Ironically enough, id2 reine's best synergy is with mori, kiara and and apparently irys. These are the types of vibes to look out for, and IMO the thematic elements should be an afterthought slapped onto genuinely solid foundations.

>>10008959
You literally have no way of knowing that, nor do you know UMISEA isn't genuine. People can have a genuine relationship and be awkward as fuck on camera. Hell, Gura and Aqua tend to be like that half the time by themselves.

umisea more like umishit

>>10009099
Usada fucking Pekora, who keeps to herself 99% of the time, LOVES Moona. That's not forced.

>>10009156
Pekora loves no one, she's a psychopath who only care about her numbers and her image.

>>10009113
>Hahaha, it's funny because I replace sea with shit
I don't care if you don't like the unit, but you need better material.

>>10005057
Chinks still assblasted over Coco

>>10009156
I didn't say it was. You're not really seeing the point, anon.

>>10009225
PekoMoona is organic, this shit is forced (and it's objectively a train wreck).

>>10009248
Ok, anon. You keep telling yourself that.

>>10009248
>PekoMoona is organic
Moonfags actually believe this

>>10009301
You think Pekora needed to leech off holoID? Really?

>>10009326
no but id certainly needs to leech off of the most popular JP chuuba

>>10009326
You're a special type of autist are you? The point was more about UMISEA, not Pekomoona. I'm not saying they're forced.

>>10009431
this shit en/jp unit is absolutely forced, whereas Pekora went out of her way to do stuff with Moona with zero management intervention.

>>10009457
Please tell us more about your behind the scenes knowledge of Hololive.

>>10009316
If you think it isn't then you might as well say every single minecraft stream is scripted

>>10004879
Imagine being this fucking retarded

>>10007959
>you don't see this behaviour anywhere else
i see it everytime on muttland when someone express their political opinion

>>10004624
>>9950998
Samefag in my books

>>10004624
Wow Japanese and overseas fans are vocal about the new unit and they are not happy. They're discontented with the way the collabs were going and with the whole animation and song. I guess they were holding out hope for a non-corporate organic route. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to have the UMISEA unit disbanded. Obviously that won’t happen but it shows how unhappy they are.

>>10004624
>let's put 3 autists together with Marine and hope it works
Cover management is fucking stupid. Coco was right.

>>10004867
OP was dropped as a baby, pls understand

>shit thing comes out
>people get offended cause it has the Cover(TM) label and nothing they do can possibly be bad
>Reflect is the best song ever because it just is
the state of this board.

>>10010421
Nice strawman, shitposter

>>10010474
it's not a strawman when people refuse to criticize Cover for anything they do. it's blind cultist loyalty, like Apple. All companies do bad shit.

>>10010504
Are we living in the same board?

>>10005478

LMAO people say that? But the EN to JP translation clips that make it through the algorithm are from...wait for it...Gura. And Selen recently I guess.

>>10010528
this entire board is a hololive circlejerk, are you?

>>10010552
Elaborate, before giving you an answer I want to see more of your opinions

>>10010641
the entire catalog is a hololive circlejerk that also shit on vshojo/nijisanji/indies. are you blind or just trolling me? I think i'm being trolled.

>>10010690
And how is this related to UMISEA or its members?

>>10004862
this is my issue with it; single collabs with a language barrier are kinda fun but forming an entire multilingual unit is not the wisest decision

>>10009995
Link?

>>10010690
>Maybe if I say "This entire board is a Hololive ciclejerk" enough times it'll come true.
No one is free from criticism here, including you seeing only what you want to see. HoloEN is criticized on here daily, as are Ayame, Matsuri, Ollie, Aqua, and more. Stop being a retard.

>>10014119
It's true I just signed it