/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

I like how Shiina is going to set the mood for the next 2 weeks with this weird manipulative rebuke right before leaving. Sounds like she really needs this vacation.

>>58322380
If we're having a serious discussion about this:

Yes, Shiina and Phase connect willingly participated in a scam. That's basically their entire model of business if you water it down enough. Did you forget that the way this works is they dangle a cute anime girl in front of you, she says something that makes you feel giddy, and then you whip out your wallet? In any other type of framing, most people would equate this to a scam. But that's why they're careful to use language like "donations"

Lia's description as an example says "Donations link (never required but very appreciated!!!!)"

They want to make sure they're legally covered with this language to make it clear that you're giving your money WITHOUT an expectation for anything in particular. With this, they're basically free to tell you whatever you want and manipulate you into buying supas or streamlab donos. If we look at the case with the donothon and the NSFW animation, PC and Shiina are already protected since they deemed it a "donation marathon" instead of like a "fund-raiser." Because it's a donation marathon, there is no expectation of a product for the consumer. Only vague "promises" and legally in the business world, promises like that don't need to be honored. One could have a discussion about whether "promise" or "goal" are the same or not, but Phase Connect is obviously treating them the same.

So here we are, plenty of time after Shiina came out saying she's not going to release the animation and a lot of people are angry. You know what doesn't help? Shiina deflecting to management and telling her fans to "watch streams." Even as a fan of hers, it's annoying and off-putting to see such an obvious scam put into motion and then defended as PART of the business model through disingenuous arguments.

You know that corny shit that Phase Connect does? Like that "Thank you" music video? I'll wager that Fishman and the rest of the talents consider things like that to be a way of covering their asses. Not legally of course, but ethically. Everyone here is intelligent enough to recognize that scams are annoying and people who scam are bad, but when you throw a veil of 'cute anime girl who says she plays hard games, agrees with your politics, quasi-flirts with you, and is practically naked' over this very simple mechanism...it's suddenly much harder to see the problem. This isn't an accident by the way. They probably have a very detailed handbook for how to maintain this illusion that keeps you attached and donating more and more.

Do I think that people should have a reason to be upset? Of course. I think Shiina understands that too. But it's also important to remember that Shiina could very well be forced into this position where she comes off unlikable and scammy. Think about how much Cover/Nijisanji locks their talents down with their contracts. She may have genuinely wanted to release the animation, and management really could force her to do a 180 and then also take the heat. Everything she says as her character on stream or in tweets is technically under Phase Connect corporate control after all.

Of course she could also just not care, see this as a business decision, not give a fuck about what any of her fans think. Whatever she has to say to bring in that sweet sweet money she's apparently both too rich and poor to appreciate at the same time.

So Shiina spent an unusual amount of time in her streams recently talking about how she wants to satisfy her donothon goals. There were a lot of goals that were completed and a lot of phase members have a ton of backlogged goals that haven't even been attempted. (Fucking christ where's my desktop lia assistant). So naturally, when the person who literally bends over backwards to deliver content to us and provide at least high quality GFE cannot provide something for the first time, the fake fans go apeshit. Shiina apparently made some promise in her donothon to do some H animation where she was going to get fucked. Don't know the position. Wish I Had more details. Shiina described it was "just holes" at one point when pressed but wont' elaborate.

The apeshitting isn't entirely unjustified. a lot of people watch Shiina because they're lolicons and they're here to jerk off. Personally, Shiina was the first streamer I jacked it to during a stream. what an achievement. But honestly her entire audience is always going to be sexually charged. Like, dude, she's practically naked and her chicken cutlets are hanging out. She's mentioned before many times she's in tune with H stuff and it's obvious she's got a real passionate interest in it. So it's really weird to a lot of her audience when she's hyping up this supposed H animation and then being like "NOPE" not too long after. Essentially that's what rubbed everyone the wrong way. Even people like Omega Simp and Gost were voicing opinions directly in the channel that weren't 100% in Shiina's favor. Those two are incredibly simpy (bless their hearts) so when they give up any ground for their kamioshi, you know it's a big deal.

Shitting up the place and chimping out is not the correct response, but the fake and fair-weather fans are numerous. Shiina has a ton of those. But ultimately she says it's not her fault and we should be inclined to believe her. Shiina says it's management's fault that the animation didn't get final approval, but everyone who's been around for more than 30 minutes knows that these companies lie and formulate strategies to lie their way through minor controversies like this. So who knows. The favored rumor is that her 'manager' did not approve of this. Possibly because of a voice acting element? Either way, it's very strange that she was seemingly so into the release of this animation, and then suddenly throwing her hands up.

either way, she went to the discord to tell her butter cookies to grow the fuck up, essentially. She says she's going through a bunch of stress recently, possibly related to this.. possibly not. She was a little vague but I think she wants to imply that the infighting of her fans over this brings her down and possibly her health too. Personally I think the health mention is just your typical 'muh sick vtuber' thing that they do to maintain control and sympathy but who knows.

Ultimately it's the dumb and fake fans that are pissed and that's all you need to know.

>>58186368
She's been taking all of the abuse from the horny buttercookies a bit hard. The way she's slurring her speech doesn't surprise me. I'd be reaching for the bottle too

>>58147565
So Shiina spent an unusual amount of time in her streams recently talking about how she wants to satisfy her donothon goals. There were a lot of goals that were completed and a lot of phase members have a ton of backlogged goals that haven't even been attempted. (Fucking christ where's my desktop lia assistant). So naturally, when the person who literally bends over backwards to deliver content to us and provide at least high quality GFE cannot provide something for the first time, the fake fans go apeshit. Shiina apparently made some promise in her donothon to do some H animation where she was going to get fucked. Don't know the position. Wish I Had more details. Shiina described it was "just holes" at one point when pressed but wont' elaborate.

The apeshitting isn't entirely unjustified. a lot of people watch Shiina because they're lolicons and they're here to jerk off. Personally, Shiina was the first streamer I jacked it to during a stream. what an achievement. But honestly her entire audience is always going to be sexually charged. Like, dude, she's practically naked and her chicken cutlets are hanging out. She's mentioned before many times she's in tune with H stuff and it's obvious she's got a real passionate interest in it. So it's really weird to a lot of her audience when she's hyping up this supposed H animation and then being like "NOPE" not too long after. Essentially that's what rubbed everyone the wrong way. Even people like Omega Simp and Gost were voicing opinions directly in the channel that weren't 100% in Shiina's favor. Those two are incredibly simpy (bless their hearts) so when they give up any ground for their kamioshi, you know it's a big deal.

Shitting up the place and chimping out is not the correct response, but the fake and fair-weather fans are numerous. Shiina has a ton of those. But ultimately she says it's not her fault and we should be inclined to believe her. Shiina says it's management's fault that the animation didn't get final approval, but everyone who's been around for more than 30 minutes knows that these companies lie and formulate strategies to lie their way through minor controversies like this. So who knows. The favored rumor is that her 'manager' did not approve of this. Possibly because of a voice acting element? Either way, it's very strange that she was seemingly so into the release of this animation, and then suddenly throwing her hands up.

either way, she went to the discord to tell her butter cookies to grow the fuck up, essentially. She says she's going through a bunch of stress recently, possibly related to this.. possibly not. She was a little vague but I think she wants to imply that the infighting of her fans over this brings her down and possibly her health too. Personally I think the health mention is just your typical 'muh sick vtuber' thing that they do to maintain control and sympathy but who knows.

Ultimately it's the dumb and fake fans that are pissed and that's all you need to know.

>>58137171
I don't want to be THAT anon but low key I bet there is a level of discretion that Shiina gets to choose for how lewd she wants to be.

and I bet there's someone else who can veto certain decisions.

There's my rrat for the day.

>>58002865
imagine caring about a drawing you'll never see

Shiina should have made a donothon goal of having to consume an entire big mac on stream. Imagine the retching

Everyone goes to bed and it's like Wednesday so makes sense that only the coolest mfrs would post right now.

>>51670137
imagine paying gaming PC money for some cardboard that you masturbate to occasionally

>>51654442
Oh Necro is in here? I should have figured. She is cute as fuckkkkkk I would head pat the shit out of herrrrr.

how drunk is she actually