/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>69837720
>Every girl VTuber that niji debuted post 2020 except Salami have ALSO failed.
That's true but that's a NIjisanji problem, not an overall market problem.
For male vtubers, not a single post 2020 debut from either company or from the whole rest of the market.

>if not idol shit - just a proper brand in general.
>(about nijis) They all have established brands for themselves
That's a TERRIBLE walk back from the initial thesis which I'll quote from >>69835452
>And guess what Niji's more successful male groups like Chronoir, ROFMAO and VALZ are modeled after?
> Idols!
It's not just a walkback, it's the complete abandonment of the original point for a second unrelated one which, by the way, I am making in this thread for three years or so
>the existing vtuber market THOROUGHLY REJECTED GENERIC MALE VTUBERS.
The market didn't reject specialists out of the bat, hence NeruMero can find moderate acceptance because he's the reference for Genshin streams.

>My question to you is, how do multiple male VTubers get "established" with a 10k+ average if there is "no market" for them?
Anon, there are exactly FOUR (4) male vtubers with a 10k+ average. Four instances of something do not make a market, it makes it the outliesr, the exception.
For reference, in this same list, there are FIFTY THREE (53) male vtubers with an average under 500 including SIXTEEN (16) from Nijisanji and the Holostars alone.

Male vtubers don't fail for lack of trying, or for trying wrong, of for lack of support from their companies, or for anything other than this simple to observe reality
>THERE IS NO MARKET FOR THEM
People will parade Kuzuha and Toya forever and a day as proof that there is a market but the reality is that there is none, and Kuzuha and Toya are just outliers in a chart with 135 other datapoints showing the same thing