/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>28788005
The money is often thigh, it depends for each.

Most of the time there is a sizeable investment initially, a bet to make back the money used the first year or so.
Some companies had a big initial investment like Phase Connect (group of investor and CEO has previous background in managing companies), Cyberlive (very shady origin for the money but ton of it), others like Tsunderia didn't have much money to begin with and it showed with very inconsistent model quality for gen 1.

Each company has different contracts and a very different amount of staff, some unpaid some paid, which impacts their performance.
Tsunderia had almost no staff, but had Slugma/Urara who was doing the work of 5 people and ended quitting after a while.
They've always have been short on money.

CyberLive literally didn't have staff, the only staff (apparently gf of the ceo) did jack shit to the point she was fired, and their main vtuber (Lumi) was forced to do her job and officially appointed manager.
Their 2nd gen manager vera was so professional she took part in a private group chat to shit talk Lumi, the leaks showed basically high school gossip tier messages. It leads to Lumi leaving, with most of the company revenue since she was bringing all the money. Cyberlive disbanded shortly after to no one's surprise.
Gen1 contact was also only 15% of revenue share, full freedom, 3D model shortly after debut and more, way too good to not be suspicious.

Phase connect has been the most competent so far, interview from their CEO does show someone who came in with little knowledge of vtuber but knowledge of company management. Their share is sizeable (around 40%), they actually get great models without overpaying (PRISM has top tier model but pay famous/expensive artists for it) and overall no expense is left to luck.
Getting a deal with Lumi also boosted them even more, both side grew from it.

Many small companies however don't get anywhere close to this and just fail in the first months or run at a loss forever.

>>23189258
>blair white
>righ-leaning

>>16774015
>>16774402
>>16775503
>>16775471
>>16775324
Wrong, biased and ignoring half the data that contradicts your narrative.
It's too easy to manipulate numbers like this.
And what the hell are those graph without any visible axis or explanation of the lines or anything? Come on, at least try.

First, Beatani joined 3 times on a pre-existing discussion, and not just at the hour you conveniently picked, she was already there before.

First after Tachi started talking about cooking https://102716.xyz/context?channel=zatsudan&created_at=1642698529440 a pretty universal topic which got beatani to join a minute later saying "you can cook" "cooking is great" https://102716.xyz/context?channel=zatsudan&created_at=1642698566319 everyone had their find to say about it

Then later max suggested to add a video game channel, after which she joined on saying "vidya" https://102716.xyz/context?channel=zatsudan&created_at=1642700777785 while there was already another talk about greetings and kissing going on that got people invested too and as the topic picked up Bea joined in https://102716.xyz/context?channel=zatsudan&created_at=1642701126503

Every single time she joins a topic that started before and was picking up and I'm not sure why you deliberately ignored her previous messages. Not to mention that ignores the fact that beatani posting by itself increase t he message amount.

On top of that, you could check for the whole like ever since the stream stopped the general discord activity and there is always discussion going with or without beatani, typically #shilling or #game had a lot of activity unrelated to beatani posting

Not sure who the fuck is that obsessed with this datas but constantly trying to manipulate numbers to prove some retarded narrative is really disingenuous.

>>16476497
>>16477881
Doing "good as a company" is extremely vague and can't be answered like that
more and more tech companies are in the red for years in hope of huge profits in the future
small vtubing corpos are more a rich hobbyist thing than an actual business model right now as the costs are insanely higher than any revenue they get
I assume the CEO doesn't give themselves any salary in most cases but they have to pay the whole staff, even with low wages or assuming they don't hire anyone but get contractors, that's still a huge sum of money every month for a few managers, scouts, a few to run the number and do the paperwork and all

Then they pay the model some pretty expensive, advertisement, work out deals, coves, video production, clipping/highlights
It seems most mods are unpaid for now
Each company works differently
Tsunderia was the first real small corpo of relevance and they had to test the waters a lot and didn't spend as much as many, models were pretty low cost and it showed, they took in a pre existing indie (turned out the best of the gen), clearly cut down on management as slugma was like the only actually doing heavylifting running the numbers herself supporting every talent and being their therapist at once

Companies like Phase Connect and CyberLive seem to have a much bigger initial investment and are a bet on future benefits and growth, gotta be early in just in case it get bigger later
Cyberlive isn't as professional as PRISM or Phase Connect, but with 15-20% cut only, providing 3D model to their talent fast and allowing their talent to leave with model without even buying it out, they're almost too good to be true.

The growth is good, Lumi hard carried CyberLive early game despite a bunch of pretty annoying drama from their inexperience, and now Emma pulling numbers for them on YouTube.
In term of revenue Lumi is still carrying hard, Twitch is impossible to beat for money you make much, muuuch more from the same size fof fanbase because of how well they gamified sub gift and bits. For regular donations youtube 30% cut over streamlabs 0% cut is a bit annoying too.
Lumi being partner means much preferential cut on stuff like subs now. With the amount of subs Lumi is getting she's likely earning more than all the rest of cyberlive combined for now.
They're not really big on merch and merch is never that profitable unless you're big

In term of public image they had a rough start but I think it's getting better, Lumi once again is working pretty hard for networking and things like song Cover can be a great advertisement to a more casual audience.

tl;dr cyberlive is like other small corpos not profitable yet but their more hand free approach and being such a good deal for vtubers is definitely something that can be praised and is giving interesting results, they're not yet solidified but on a good path
also yeah cool managerlarp I know but I'm pretty confident on a few parts, no need to take my words for it of course

Pipkin brain moment
https://files.catbox.moe/9k3i4b.mp4

>>15732737
>why would a talent of worth go to Tsunderia?
"talents of worth" are everywhere, why people decide to latch on one and not another is mostly random depending on timing, design/them, that kind of stuff
Hell most indies just apply everywhere that's available hoping for a chance, phaseCo had way over a thousand applications.

Tsunderia has experience, which honestly is a pretty big point. Too recent companies with little background to check aren't too attractive. They give much more freedom similarly to Cyberlive, When I see the restrictions of PRISM I just feel bad for the talents who didn't realize how much of a pain it would to follow restriction basially as hard as Hololive for a a ridiculous % of holo audience.
Anyway people know the main ones posted here with PhaseCo CyberLive PRISM Tsunderia Vspro, but ther are countless other smaller than those where good indies still apply, there' not that many free slots in just main ones, people apply everywhere that seems like a real corpo.