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Believe it or not, there are STILL people in 2023 who think the Saturn was stronger than the Playstation.

>> No.9949564
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>> No.9949565

Beleve it or not, there are STILL people in 2023 going above console wars just because marketing told them to 25 years ago

>> No.9949568

>>9949553
Ok, noob,
Now post Xmen Vs. Street Fighter.

>> No.9949574

>>9949553
N64 was the strongest

>> No.9949579

>>9949565
spbp

>> No.9949580

>>9949553
Sample Size = One game

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>>9949553
You chose Tomb Raider to make that point? The Saturn version is better. It has better draw distance and the textures are actually stable.

>> No.9949598

>>9949565
I'm not console warring. The Saturn is my favorite 5th gen console by far, but fanboys lying about it being the most power console ever annoy the piss out of me.

>>9949580
Literally every 3D game on Saturn that also released on PS1 was worse on Saturn.

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>>9949597
It also runs 10fps lower and has much worse textures on top of more aggressive mipmapping. But unlike you, I'm not a fanboy and have actually played both versions of the game.

>> No.9949615

The Japanese version runs better on Saturn it's pretty much the definitive version of the game

>> No.9949621

>>9949605
I'm pretty sure the textures were redrawn for PS1 rather than the same ones just looking bad on Saturn. The PS1 version had more time to cook. I also think the texture warping is at least as important as framerate when we're talking early 32 bit games. One of the N64's biggest claim to fame is it's rock solid texture mapping. People didn't mind that a bunch of games ran like molasses.

>> No.9949626

>>9949553
in 1996 we were kids and we were amazing by 3d graphics, these "comparative" mean shit at that time. The game was still great and fun on saturn.

>> No.9949637

>>9949598
It's the fact that you're even bringing it up really that's godawfully annoying. This topic has been so beaten to a bloody pulp that there's hardly any pulp left. Go make a more a original thread asshole.

>> No.9949638

Saturn version is better but anyway PC version is better.

>> No.9949673

>>9949553
If that were true, a multiplat would never show it because the Saturn's bizarro hardware doesn't port from other things well.

>> No.9949684

I can't think of any game that started on Saturn and got ported to PS1 that was better in every way any more than I can think of the inverse. The systems were so crazy different there was always some conversion fuckery that made the port worse in one way or another.

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>>9949568
>2D trash
Not our future, Saturncel.

>> No.9949690

>>9949553
It was in some ways, just not the ways that actually mattered for the market demands in 94-2000

>> No.9949693

>>9949638
This.
Comparing trash to garbage is retarded when there was often a much better 3rd position.
At least compare games that don't have PC versions.

>> No.9949697

>>9949553
left: kino
right: eww

>> No.9949712

Imagine paying MORE for a system with less 3rd party support, worse quality games, and getting killed off after just 3 years.

Must've sucked hard to be a Saturn owner.

>> No.9949714

>>9949553
They both suck.

>> No.9949728

>>9949689
Ok, so you'll contact Core and get the console exclusive of its sequel, right? Right?!?

>> No.9949739

>>9949728
>replying to australia-kun

>> No.9949745

>>9949553
It kinda had pretty water effects for Tomb Raider, but that was it.

>> No.9949760

>>9949553
>Believe it or not, there are STILL people in 2023 who think the Saturn was stronger than the Playstation.

With sprites, I think the Saturn wins overall. But the PS1 does seem to have a 2D engine in it, it seems. Like an SNES but better. IDK if it has some built in feature that renders polygons on a flat plane, or whatever. That Tomb raider image, the Saturn polygons are really 3D 4-sided sprites. Playstation 1 uses triangle polygons. That are unfitted, no perspective correction. Etc.

>> No.9949767

>>9949615
>The Japanese version runs better on Saturn it's pretty much the definitive version of the game

That is a myth. The Japanese Saturn port runs the same.

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Extremely low quality thread, time to move on.

>> No.9949786

>>9949568
>Ok, noob,
>Now post Xmen Vs. Street Fighter
I mean static screenshots would look the same no? It'd just be the no tag team, missing frames, and loading times.

>> No.9949802

Give the jp game a spin on your system. It runs way smoother than the western release

>> No.9949818

>>9949638
>Saturn version is better but anyway PC version is better.

The Saturn seems to be able to reach up to 30fps at times. But the framerate will drop pretty heavily when a few enemies appear on screen, or you enter into a large area. PS1 port runs at a steadier 30fps, but still will have framerate issues at spots. PC port is capped at 30fps, and I remember watching a friend play it on their windows 95 PC, and I later bought a copy myself for Windows 98. I could never get hardware rendering to work so played it in software. Always ran at 30 for me at 320x240. In some ways the PS1 version has nicer lighting.
https://youtu.be/98m2DmMwFps?t=53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98m2DmMwFps&t=153s

I had Tomb raider for the Saturn as well. I still remeber being impressed by the game, overall. But man, I could feel the framerate tank when a few bats would appear. Or being in a large area. I kinda like the grungy look of the Saturn game. Played it to the end. It still felt like am impressive showcase for a Saturn game. 3D games like Tomb Raider were uncommon on the Saturn, while the PS1 was getting them more frequently after the release of Tomb Raider and Crash. Also, Sony paid for console exclusivity on Tomb raider franchise.

>> No.9949925

>>9949818
The big thing to remember with Tomb Raider is that on PS1 they were able to run it through Sony's performance analyzer to tell them where they needed to make changes to get better performance. Neither Sega nor Nintendo had tools like that.

Comparing the two versions one of the big things you'll notice is that the draw distance on PS1 is a tad shorter. In some of the big rooms where Saturn really chugs I'd imagine that shorter draw distance could make a huge difference in how much the frame rate drops.

>> No.9949926

>>9949712
It did have some good exclusives but yeah almost all the multiplat stuff is complete shite

>> No.9949930

>>9949786
2 health bars vs. 4.

>> No.9950106

>>9949553
TR1 was disgustingly unoptimized, it's a pretty bad example to use.

>> No.9950246

Believe it or not, I do not care.

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>>9949564
Why do Saturn textures look like this in so many games? I don't know how to explain it except that they look dark but with contrast cranked up

>> No.9950279

>>9949553
Those people need to play the actual console so they can experience the disappointment firsthand

>>9949568
Japan-only, next