/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9745069]

THAT. IS NOT. SCHALA.

Make her hair blue.
Make her dress purple.
Put the hair in a ponytail.
Give the dress sleeves.
ANYTHING.

MAKE HER RESEMBLE THE CHARACTER THAT WAS IN THE GAME THAT EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER PLAYED
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU

[Anonymous No.9745201]

I swear this was miscommunication on the designers' part. Kid is supposed to be Schala's clone and that means an artist who may not be familiar with the character will just draw a replica of the one right in front of them.

[Anonymous No.9745204]

>>9745069
Who cares?

[Anonymous No.9745220]

>>9745069
i could be wrong, but radical dreamer's connection to chrono trigger could have been done late enough in development that kid's design would have already been finalized by the time it was implemented. serge though looks wildly different in cross and dreamers so they could have just redesigned kid for cross like they did serge

[Anonymous No.9745226]

>>9745204
Where do you think you are?

[Anonymous No.9745227]

>>9745201
It's because Kid was blond in Radical Dreamers for the SNES, which already establishes she's Schala.

[Anonymous No.9745247]

>>9745069
First off, it's because she's naturally blonde, the people of Zeal would dye their hair blue. She can't really dye it inside Lavos, can she?

Secondly, why does she HAVE to wear the same clothing that she wore back then?

Thirdly, you are really autistic for getting this upset over something that's so unimportant.

I mean this in the sincerest way, HAVE SEX. This is why people laugh at JRPG fans, you faggots will literally never touch a vagina.

[Anonymous No.9745252]

>>9745247
>First off, it's because she's naturally blonde, the people of Zeal would dye their hair blue.
Trash tier retcon. I really hate when these after the fact excuses show up in media. Especially when it means Magus must have been dying his hair in his fucking castle.

[Anonymous No.9745253]

>>9745247
>First off, here's the deep lore about a video game
>Second, HAVE SEX!

[Anonymous No.9745310]

Who cares, she'll look bad no matter what because they went with a crappy artist for some reason

[Anonymous No.9745961]

>>9745069
Game is crap so who cares.

[Anonymous No.9746034]

>>9745069
I understand what you mean, but Radical Dreamers and CC is in another continuity in my opinion. Why? Because it's not the same team working on it.

[Anonymous No.9746047]

Ayla, Schala and Marle are all implied to be part of some kind of royal linage that exists since the beginning of humanity, so it makes sense that they look alike
>But they are separated by millions of years
I know, but it works in video game logic.

[Anonymous No.9746085]

>>9745069
Yes she is ya dingus!

[Anonymous No.9746110]

>>9745247
>She can't really dye it inside Lavos, can she?
>why does she HAVE to wear the same clothing that she wore back then?
How did she get new clothes inside Lavos?

[Anonymous No.9746137]

Trigglypuffs get huffypuffy over Schala but never complain about this LMAO

[Anonymous No.9746803]

>>9745247
>sex
>importance

Tell me youre an npc withput telling me youre an npc

[Anonymous No.9746809]

>>9745247
Too be fair sex with a real girl could never compare to sex with a beauty like Kid or Leena.
That's my problem, I always compare real girls to girls from anime or games. Haha.
I did talk to this girl once named Tiffany, she had big boobies so I started calling her Tifa. But then her boyfriend threatened to beat me up so I stopped talking to her. LOL. The real Tifa would have done it herself, since she's a melee fighter. But she probably wouldn't want to fight me, since I'm such a nice guy. :D

[Anonymous No.9746980]

>>9745069
It's because she's not really Schala at that point. She's Schala mid-merge with Lavos. Lavos doesn't really look like himself either because he's Lavos mid-merge with Schala. The two halves of the Time Devourer are irrevocably changed by the other, or in other words, think of it like Schala being drained of her essence.

[Anonymous No.9746987]

>>9746980
>T-thank you for saving me from Lavos
>I'm so tired....
>Wha? My dress?
>N-no, what are you doing? Stop....

[Anonymous No.9747008]

>>9745069
I’ve never seen anyone say this, but yeah this boss it was the final disappointment in a game that seemed to revel in disappointing you.

[Anonymous No.9747009]

>>9746987
Serge: “let me solo the the time devourer…”

[Anonymous No.9747032]

>>9746137
Because it completely destroys their trash argument, and they would rather find some reason to complain about Cross, if not just the most inconsequential detail, if it's in Cross! It's a problem!

[Anonymous No.9747035]

>>9747008
The final boss is one of the most emotional things I've seen in any video game ever, you have no soul and I feel sorry for you

[Anonymous No.9747038]

>>9746137
that evil anime kid face, who changes to neutral when the series goes on

[Anonymous No.9747104]

>>9747035
It's just easy that's all so the denouement doesn't have a lot of tension. Especially if you got the Mastermune, Serge can just solo everything by spamming attack. Someone needs to make a difficulty mod for this game, and it won't be me because I'm a fucking bum.

[Anonymous No.9747207]

>>9746137
He’s a magician. You don’t think he can change his eye color?

[Anonymous No.9747291]

>>9747207
>it's just magic bro
yeah wow

[Anonymous No.9747525]

>>9746137
Is this bait? Ozzie adopted him and gave him powerful magic powers that changed his appearance to the point of becoming a demon lord.

[Anonymous No.9747548]

>>9747525
Yea wow Lavos adopted Schala and gave her powerful magic powers that changed her appearance to the point of becoming a Lavos lord

[Anonymous No.9747567]

About as disappointing and stupid of a decision as Omega not looking like OG Zero in MMZ3.

[Anonymous No.9747809]

>>9745247
reddit moment

[Anonymous No.9747909]

[Anonymous No.9747937]

>>9745069
I prefer the redesign. Bluehair reminds me of disgusting Twitter liberal faggots.

[Anonymous No.9747992]

>>9747937

[Anonymous No.9748120]

>>9745247
The sun will explode before women as a whole are reasonable people, and you hinge everything of importance upon them being so?

[Anonymous No.9748210]

>>9747525
Do you not see the incredible irony of you saying "it's just magic"?
This outright confirms you fags will literally complain about anything just because it's from Cross

[Anonymous No.9748218]

>>9747992
People accuse Akira Toriyama of same face and yet this is what Sailor Moon looked like.

[Anonymous No.9748230]

>>9748210
The true answer is that because Trigger introduces Magus first it becomes less an issue that his younger version looks different because by the time you're told who Janus is you've already gotten familiar with Magus's appearance. Plus the sprite work is what you're looking at most of the game and THOSE differences are way less dramatic. Janus's sprite could easily be a young Magus sprite. Meanwhile in Cross you don't actually see Schala. You're expected to be familiar with her from Trigger. And then suddenly you see her and she looks completely different. It's way more jarring.

[Anonymous No.9748238]

>>9748218

Well, yeah, there are also many many many other manga/anime artists who do sameface. It still sucks when he does it.

[Anonymous No.9748294]

>>9748230
>Meanwhile in Cross you don't actually see Schala
Well technically speaking you see her in the beginning. We expect her to look like that because the game has revealed that Kid was a clone of Schala earlier on. That goes in hand from Kid being blonde and also a clone of Schala or rather IS actually Schala introduced as a point in Radical Dreamers, which admittedly very little of the people playing the game had experienced.

[Anonymous No.9748308]

>>9748294
Personally the hair color thing isn't the biggest annoyance. To this day Square can't settle on what color Terra's hair is supposed to be. I was way more baffled by the out of nowhere change to the Masamune. Suddenly it's Soul Edge now and it can turn evil when used for evil? Wasn't the entire subplot in Trigger all about only someone with the requisite purity could even use the thing?

[Anonymous No.9748821]

>>9746809
You are a pedo

[Anonymous No.9748862]

>>9745069
And you think this is any better? These characters don't resemble what Chrono, Marle, and Lucca looked like in the original game either.

[Anonymous No.9748868]

>>9746137
Those are the PSX version cutscenes though, no the original.

[Anonymous No.9748901]

>>9748821
It would be hebe, not pedo.

[Anonymous No.9748981]

>>9748862
Retard bait. But just reminds me of how cool the Trigger cast would've looked in this game. Feels bad.

[Anonymous No.9749003]

>>9745069
I like how the final boss isn't really a boss, you can't actually defeat something like that, so it makes sense

[Anonymous No.9749010]

>>9748981
>But just reminds me of how cool the Trigger cast would've looked in this game. Feels bad.
That God Cross undoes itself, leaving everybody alive so Another Eden can happen. Please commence REEing now.

[Anonymous No.9749080]

>>9747207
And ears?

>>9747525
I thought that, in universe, Janus had magic but didn't wanna use it cuz he saw how it corrupted Zeal's people. But when he got stuck in mediaeval Guardia, he had to use it to survive and, since the mystics had never seen a human use magic before, came to think of him as one of their own.

>>9748308
>Personally the hair color thing isn't the biggest annoyance.
Right. Kid/Schala just bought some l'Oreal at the store in Termina.

[Anonymous No.9749090]

>>9748308
>I was way more baffled by the out of nowhere change to the Masamune. Suddenly it's Soul Edge now and it can turn evil when used for evil?
Never really explained, the best totally made up guess is that since they're in a Lavos-corrupted worldline, the dreamstone corrupts it too.

[Anonymous No.9749101]

>>9748308
The worst part is playing dreamers and then Cross makes you spend the entirety of Cross wondering when they'll reveal why masamune is a demon sword now and it just never fucking happens. Multiple characters have their lives ruined by the sword in cross but they never explain why it turned out that way. you just have to assume it was some aborted half formed idea like everything else in that clusterfuck

[Anonymous No.9749616]

>>9748868
Oh no! They look nothing alike in the old art either!

[Anonymous No.9749620]

>>9749616
look, it's kid trunks and supreme kai or whatever the fuck his name was.

[Anonymous No.9749625]

>>9746137
The real hero of Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.9749630]

>>9749625
This is him now, feeling old?

[Anonymous No.9749636]

>>9749090
>>9749101
??? I thought they explained that because Masa and Mune became dormant after the sword was blooded during the Porre invasion of Guardia?

[Anonymous No.9749662]

>>9749636
Yes , it is a mystery to no-one except those who can't read.

[Anonymous No.9749693]

>>9748901
so pedo.

[Anonymous No.9749697]

>>9746137
>>9749616
holy shit

[Anonymous No.9749951]

>>9749693
Pedo is prepubescent.
Don't be a spastic with the english language.
Their meanings don't morph at your emotional hest.

[Anonymous No.9749958]

>>9745310
>for some reason
none of the original CT team aside from mitsuda wanted anything to do with the hack sequel

[Anonymous No.9750056]

>>9749636
Right but that changes it into Soul Edge shit which is dumb. And every single thing about Porre is complete nonsense. It would have been better if they just made up a new thing rather than using Porre. DS trying to justify it with fucking DALTON of all characters proves they just didn't give a shit.

[Anonymous No.9750127]

>>9749662
Grand, Leon and Dream being localized as Masa, Mune and Doreen has to be one of the most incompetent translations jobs.

[Anonymous No.9750545]

>>9745310
>Nu /vr/ shitting on Nobuteru Yuki
What happened to all of your taste

[Anonymous No.9750579]

>>9750127
Why did Woolsey even change Grandleon to Masamune in the first place?

[Anonymous No.9750603]

>>9750579
The answer is
>MUHHH FINAL FANTASY AUDIENCE
which he seems to be unaware that it's the namesake of a real world legend from Japan
guy is a hack and so is his translation

[Anonymous No.9750610]

>>9750127
>>9750579
-Wait it was called Grandleon?
Okay that makes perfect sense and I can't believe that fact didn't penetrate for me until now. I've literally never heard this.

[Anonymous No.9750652]

>>9750603
Grandleon is one letter longer than Masamune so it might have been a character limit thing? It is an inventory item so there could have been some space issues. SNES RPGs were notorious for this. It's why Crono's name lacks an "h" and why "Silvard" became "Epoch." It's possible Woolsey ran into some trouble and lacking the time to find a better solution he just changed the sword's name to another famous sword name that he knew would fit the space constraints based on his familiarity with Final Fantasy.

[Anonymous No.9750671]

>>9750610
Yup, that's why the special triple tech you get is called Grand Dream. Both Cross and the DS Trigger adopted the goofier sounding Mastermune to compensate. Doreen/Dream confusion happened because the kana for one looks like the other and Doreen is a legitimate name. I'm sure Ted Woolsey wishes he had an extra couple of weeks to catch some of the errors.

[Anonymous No.9750748]

>>9750652
Don't think that's the case, items can have up to 10 chars in Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.9750837]

>>9750545

I don't know anything about him, but according to Google Image Search, yeah he has drawn some nice-looking characters outside this game. This makes it seem even stranger that the characters in this game are so ugly. Anyway, whatever, apparently he became a crappy artist as soon as Square hired him and then went back to being better once the game project was done. So my original claim stands.

Regardless, I'm just one weirdo and I'm probably older than you; I don't represent /vr/ or "nu-/vr/" whatever that's supposed to be. I'm actually an outlier in that I DON'T like the grotesquely distorted facial proportions that manga/anime artists used to give people (and to some extent still do). It's much more normal here to fawn over that stuff and call it "soul" and complain about how it's part of "what they took from us" when this or that company chose to replace that ugly old garbage with some much prettier yet far more generic-looking new garbage while remaking some old beloved classic. I don't know where you've been if you think you know "nu-/vr/" and aren't aware of that.

[Anonymous No.9750868]

>>9750837
>some much prettier
Things that never happened.

[Anonymous No.9751081]

>>9747207
No one complains about Zelda/Sheik either

[Anonymous No.9751087]

>>9749951
Pedo mental gymnastics

[Anonymous No.9751108]

>>9749951
why are you giving (you)s to resetera?

[Anonymous No.9751145]

>>9745069
I tried to play Chrono Cross but that shitty battle system didn't get to me compared to Chrono Trigger. Sounds like I dodged a bullet

[Anonymous No.9751345]

Chrono Cross was a final fantasy prototype that got dumped for VIII and they glued parts of Radical Dreamers on to it in hopes of selling on brand recognition.

[Anonymous No.9751352]

>>9751345
Don't forget parts of Xenogears that they couldn't fit in, like the Elru demihuman stuff.

[Anonymous No.9751356]

>>9748981
Why are they all dwarves

[Anonymous No.9751384]

>>9751356
They’re children.

[Anonymous No.9751453]

>>9751384
So they didn't play Chrono Trigger then.

[Anonymous No.9751492]

Rinoa doesn't look like Ultimecia.
Bulma has purple hair in the manga.
Link's hair is pink in game, blond in the manual.
Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the size of a galaxy, meaning when it moves an arm, that arm is moving faster than light by several orders of magnitude, which means its movement should technically be invisible for millions of years to the viewer.
The government's lying about 9/11.

[Anonymous No.9751503]

>>9748862
>>9751356
I was insanely disappointed by this. Back in '95 when I first played Chrono Trigger at 11, I could believe Chrono, Marle and Lucca were teenagers. Like, around 16-17. Then Chrono Cross comes out, their ghosts appear, and they look like they're 5-6. Was Chrono Cross trying to imply this was the age and appearance they were "supposed" to have when they saved the world or something? Why do they look like little kids?

[Anonymous No.9751516]

>>9751492
Things almost never move faster than light in fiction.
It's the cosmic speed limit that is different in each universe.

[Anonymous No.9751550]

>>9751503
They're a representation of their minds. Not ghosts exactly, but memories given form. Maybe by FATE? Not clear on that.
I'm not saying this is canon it's just how I took it at the time.

[Anonymous No.9751551]

>>9751503
>Was Chrono Cross trying to imply this was the age and appearance they were "supposed" to have when they saved the world or something?
No stupid, Lucca was even old enough to own an orphanage by the time she died.
The ghost children aren't actually Crono, Marle and Lucca, they are described as echoes from the people who disappeared in the dead sea, they just took the likeness of the heroes who once saved the world.

[Anonymous No.9751617]

It's also not clear any of them died. You can make an inference but it's left vague as hell. Cross's fundamental story in broad strokes terms isn't half bad. It's a second look at what happens when you alter reality, asking what are the consequences for the timelines that you're erasing. Trigger touches on this in the ending when Lucca has a moment of worry that Robo won't exist in the new future. Cross takes the idea in a darker direction. The game's biggest narrative problem is it info dumps on you in a matter of 20 minutes at the tail end of a game that mostly just treats you like an errand boy, putting out random fires that keep popping up until suddenly the actual reason behind all of it gets dropped in your lap. Its hard to process like that, especially with the needlessly obtuse writing style.

[Anonymous No.9751674]

>>9751087
>>9751108
Stop babbling when the truth is said at you.

[Anonymous No.9751695]

>>9751617
It's the journey not the destination. Cross lets you intimately explore El Nido and learn about its inhabitants while also learning about yourself.

[Anonymous No.9751842]

>>9751503
>Surreal and clearly psychological imagery is lost on the triggerfag

[Anonymous No.9751870]

>>9750837
When approached for thr Chrono Cross remaster he told them he wanted to redraw EVERYONE because at the time he didnt get to finish the art lmao. The remasters art is so much better.

Unless you still hate them then fuck you Poshul is peak character design and I will devour your dreams.

[Anonymous No.9751872]

>>9751870

[Anonymous No.9751875]

>>9745069
Here I fixed her.

[Anonymous No.9751885]

>>9751870
>Poshul
When I first saw Poshul, I thought of her as a sister to a dog puppet I used to watch on TV as a kid.

[Anonymous No.9751936]

>>9751870
This, Nobuteru Yuki's art is filled with soul and it's clear that every portrait was more like a rough draft than a finished piece. Guy did fucking Escaflowne, his style is filled with magic and perfectly fine substitute for Akira Toriyama

[Anonymous No.9751947]

>>9751617
It also doesn't really matter, as the entire game and backstory unhappens at the end.
Schala is freed immediately (as she is freed outside time) meaning Balthazar never has to free her at all, meaning the Time Crash never happens, meaning Wazuki never becomes Lynx, meaning Guardia never falls, meaning Lucca never dies.

[Anonymous No.9752000]

>>9751870
My waifu Janice gets into the picture. Nice.

[Anonymous No.9752015]

>>9751885
nobody that saw this puppet can forget it for some unknow reason. my theory involves demon evocation and other /x/ like bullshit.

[Anonymous No.9752070]

>>9751947
Would you mind reminding me how Wazuki causes the Porre invasion? He goes into Chronopolis to save Serge, then FATE...something something. I don't quite remember.

[Anonymous No.9752079]

>>9752070
>In Another World, FATE reasoned that Serge would cross the dimensions in 1020 A.D.; Lynx was called back to set up events that would take advantage of this face. He was sent abroad to Porre and home to Viper Manor in order to play the two parties to set up FATE's plan
Hard to keep track of this shit

[Anonymous No.9752086]

Chrono Cross is legit one of the worst games ever made.

[Anonymous No.9752091]

>>9752086
Wrong

[Anonymous No.9752124]

>>9752086
It's one of the worst SEQUELS.

[Anonymous No.9752131]

>>9752124
It's not a sequel, it's a side story.
People think it's Empire Strikes Back to Trigger's A New Hope. It's actually Shadows of the Empire to Trigger's Empire Strikes Back.
Not thematically.
Also, forgive me for being an faggot by referencing Stars Whores but it's an apt comparison.
Shadows isn't as good as Empire, but it's still pretty cool as a side story and thing unto its own. Same with Cross vs. Trigger.

[Anonymous No.9752143]

>>9752131
>It's not a sequel, it's a si--
NOT READING THIS SHIT.

[Anonymous No.9752148]

I wonder what she looks like now.

[Anonymous No.9752165]

>>9751947
The eleventh hour "oh shit we just remembered we're a sequel to Chrono Trigger" end game of Cross just fails to land because why should anyone who hasn't played Trigger be invested in any of the stuff with Ghost Babies giving encyclopedia sized text dumps or why it matters Schala is now Princess Zelda'd to a giant tick.

[Anonymous No.9752214]

>>9752143
Because I'm right.
The game is not a sequel. People that go into Cross thinking it's a sequel tend to be the ones that get butthurt.

[Anonymous No.9752234]

>>9751947
>It also doesn't really matter, as the entire game and backstory unhappens at the end.
What a shitty thing to do to the player, by the way. What an amazingly unsatisfying way to end a 30 hour RPG.

[Anonymous No.9752248]

>>9752165
It's more than that. I think people would be fine if the connections to Trigger were thin with just a few references here and there. People's beef are that it draws quite a bit from Trigger but chooses the weirdest fucking parts. Fort Dragonia, Dinopolis and the dragons are central to the plot, if not the driving force of it, and come from one of Trigger's random joke endings where it reenacts the game's intro but everyone is a reptite. The relationship Cross tries to have with Trigger is baffling as all fuck.

[Anonymous No.9752439]

>>9752248
What you call random and thin I say demonstrate a deep appreciation of Trigger's lore. Kato knew this world inside and out, and took the story places that no fan had the knowledge to go.
>>9752165
There was no 11th hour, the whole story was planned ahead of time and made with the end in mind.

[Anonymous No.9752453]

>>9752439
Kato hated Cross. Or at least he hated working on it. The prevailing suspicion is that the reason Chrono Break never happened was because he refused to do it.

[Anonymous No.9752581]

>>9751870
>>9751885
>>9752015
I love 4chan so much

[Anonymous No.9752584]

>>9751947
Lucca still died in Xenogears I guess

[Anonymous No.9752587]

>>9752214
>>9752214
I remember reading an interview that proves you're right on chronopolis somewhere when I played CC a few years ago. They basically said that's why it's called Cross not Trigger 2.

[Anonymous No.9752689]

>>9751875
Oops I dropped her.

[Anonymous No.9752713]

>>9752584
It's ok, I can see their parachutes.

[Anonymous No.9752721]

>>9747104
You know there are two ways to end the fight, right? I can't tell if this is bait or genuine anymore.

[Anonymous No.9752726]

>>9747035
Yeah, the emotion of "FUCK you cast a spell and ruined the sequence GODDAMMIT I gotta start this shit over again STUPID SPACE BUG"

[Anonymous No.9753293]

>>9752721
Oh are there two ways to end the Time Devourer fight on Terra Tower, the de facto final boss because the final final one is more like a story boss? That is also easy as hell compared to even the average jrpg? Oh shit I didn't know that retard why don't you suck your own dick some more.

[Anonymous No.9753329]

>>9752453
The fact remains there isn't a single person who knew more about that story or was better equipped to expand upon its plot. What he did was very interesting and mature, considering the finality of Lavos's end in Trigger. What's the alternative, do a game where they go on adventures in-between the timelines for fun? Introduce a bigger Lavos?

[Anonymous No.9753364]

>>9753329
>Introduce a bigger Lavos?
I was always curious about the source of all Lavos.

[Anonymous No.9753394]

>>9752015
>unknow reason
It was part of every Italian kid's childhood. That's the reason. Uan was everywhere in the 80s. I've mentioned it here before, but he was so omnipresent in Italian media back then that they used him in adverts for the Italian dub of Stranger Things because it, famously, takes place in the 80s.
Now... if you're not from Italy and you know Uan, that could be some weird X-type shit but, more than likely, foreigners are either mistaking Uan for some other, similar puppet from their own country or simply lying to feel like they're "in" on some experience only those of us from Italy (also Malta) are part of.

[Anonymous No.9753412]

It really sucks how much the Viper Manor gang's subplot was this self-contained, inconsequential story that got thrown completely to the wayside in favor of Cross' multi-dimensional cosmic apocalypse bullshit and its myriad of Trigger retcons. This cast deserved to be in a story where their personalities, goals, and backstories actually mattered beyond window dressing meant solely to settle the player into El Nido as a setting.

[Anonymous No.9753421]

>>9745069
Honestly, they should have just Final Fantasy'd this game and made it a completely separate story from CT. Because it's connections to CT are the weakest part of the game for me.

[Anonymous No.9753429]

>>9753293
Beating it the "correct" way is harder than beating her to death.

[Anonymous No.9753456]

>>9753412
>Trigger retcons
Never understood the beef for any retcon. Just say Cross takes place in a parallel timeline (because it fucking does, making it a literal side story because that's what 'parallel' fucking means) and be done with it. In this timeline, Porre became powerful, Dinopolis exists and Epstein actually did kill himself this time. Fuckin' simple, innit.

>>9753421
Or that.

[Anonymous No.9753476]

>>9753456
>Just say Cross takes place in a parallel timeline (because it fucking does, making it a literal side story because that's what 'parallel' fucking means) and be done with it.
The universe it takes place in split AFTER the events of Trigger's 1000 AD and features a bunch of shit that was never foreshadowed or explained. I don't think it's that irrational for people to complain about stuff like that - especially when Kato made a conscious effort to subvert Trigger's story with Cross.

[Anonymous No.9753482]

>>9753476
>The universe it takes place in split AFTER the events of Trigger's 1000 AD
'cept... did it really? I don't remember any Dinopolis, Chronopolis, beastpeople (excepting Frog's special case) dragon worship, element use or El Nido in Trigger, do you?

[Anonymous No.9753491]

>>9753482
>'cept... did it really?
Yes, really. The game literally goes into this shit when ghost Lucca explains Kid's origin.

[Anonymous No.9753512]

>>9753491
>THIS. DIMENSION.
IE parallel timeline where shit like Dinopolis, Chronopolis, beastpeople, dragon worship, element use and El Nido exist, no?

[Anonymous No.9753528]

>>9753329
>Introduce a bigger Lavos?
Like Chrono Cross did?

[Anonymous No.9753536]

>>9753512
Chronopolis and El Nido are from the same dimension as Trigger. They literally happen as a result of Lavos being defeated and the destruction of human civilization in 1999 AD being avoided. Demi-humans are also a byproduct of Chronopolis, if I remember correctly. Dinopolis and the Dragons are from another dimension, but they got brought into Trigger's dimension via the Time Crash. The dimensional split that's relevant to Cross happened in 1010 AD when Serge made contact with Schala.

[Anonymous No.9753553]

>>9753429
Chrono Cross is the easiest jrpg ever made and it would be a lot more fun if it took advantage of its element system to create more dynamic battles. It's shallow as a puddle, and I say that as a bigger fan of the game than you.
The Dario fight is the only good fight and it's supposed to be a superboss.
The fact that these statements make you upset proves you aren't equipped for life. But I suppose we both already knew that. Unfortunately I have no advice to give you, you're just going to have to subsist with what little you have.

[Anonymous No.9753597]

>>9753553
Ok fella

[Anonymous No.9753617]

>>9753597
This kid has more of a future than the loser grading his paper. Keep it up, baby!

[Anonymous No.9753732]

>>9753617
?????

[Anonymous No.9753747]

>>9749636
>after the sword was blooded during the Porre invasion of Guardia?
this is not stated in chrono cross. it's an inference you make based on the cutscene ending of the chrono trigger ps1 port.

if it's stated in cross, i'd love to see it, because even when you get the mastermune you see that masa and mune were sealed away but you never find out what caused it.

[Anonymous No.9753753]

>>9752584
Nah, got teleported to Another Eden.

[Anonymous No.9753795]

>>9752439
The story was planned ahead but it's only at the end of the game does the game really start to just vomit out random Chrono Trigger names and characters like it's fishing for a reaction for the audience.

[Anonymous No.9753916]

>>9753732
Perchance.

[Anonymous No.9754653]

>>9753747
>it's an inference you make based on the cutscene ending of the chrono trigger ps1 port.
The Masamune even being present in 1000AD is an oddity. Sure, you can assume it's existence continues on and maybe gets stashed away in the castle but in Chrono Trigger there's never any indication of what happens to it after 600AD. So that ending expects you to take for granted it's there, accessible to someone who knows well enough of what it is to think to use it in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9754967]

>>9753597
CRUSHING TURTS

[Anonymous No.9755551]

>>9752689
Schala would never dress like a whore.

[Anonymous No.9755576]

>>9755551
Dude that's just how little kids dress.

[Anonymous No.9755586]

>>9755551
It's nature vs nurture. To settle the argument, i just went back in time and kidnapped Mother Teresa from her crib as a baby and got her addicted to opium and malt liquor from a young age. In my timeline, she became a whore and died in Tirana, 1940 after being beaten to death by a client. I win. You owe me five bucks.

[Anonymous No.9755659]

>>9749616
>>9752165

Apart from eye color, what's the issue? Magus was stranded in 600ad for like 25 years, he went from creepy kid to Captain Ahab, of course he looks different.

>>9752165
Schala getting Lavos'd is probably the best plot point on Cross though, her lack of onscreen death (and her brother continuing to look for her in the main ending) was the biggest dangling plot thread from CT. It's the rest of the game's plot that falls flat, the whole thing with Balthazar masterminding the time crash feels more like Xenogears than Chrono Trigger.

[Anonymous No.9755746]

>>9755659
Ear shape, widows peak vs no widows peak, nose shape and general face shape. Unlike the Schala v Kid thing, this can't be dismissed as merely the result of two different artists' interpretations of the same character. They're both by ChickenMountain.

[Anonymous No.9755756]

>>9745069
I forgot that Schala even existed

[Anonymous No.9756004]

>>9755746
The widows peak can be attributed to ordinary balding. Why would you include that in the list?

[P. Sevenleaf No.9756017]

>>9745069
This is "Sonic's arms are not blue" levels of who gives a fuck. Who gives a fuck?

[Anonymous No.9756148]

>>9756017
>This is "Sonic's arms are not blue" levels of who gives a fuck
No it isn't.
That's stupid, and you're stupid for saying it.

[Anonymous No.9756186]

>>9756004
Does balding occur like that? idk because literally no one on either side of my family has experienced hairloss of any kind. That's why I included it; because idk wtf balding looks like. I thought it started from the whorl in the back.

[Anonymous No.9756356]

>>9756004
it's not balding, that's just what Toriyama likes to draw

[Anonymous No.9756891]

>>9756186
It can start with a bald patch on the scalp but often a receding hairline is the first indication.

[Anonymous No.9756924]

>>9755576
kids don't dress like that..

[Anonymous No.9757232]

>>9755659
>> the whole thing with Balthazar masterminding the time crash feels more like Xenogears than Chrono Trigger.
Funny, as that was close to the original treatment that Chrono Trigger 2 was to become.

[Anonymous No.9757442]

>>9756924
Yes they do.

[Anonymous No.9757787]

>>9753512
Well Dinopolis is alluded to thematically by how the dinos have a civilization before Lavos drops, not that we see them in Cross anyways but it hardly comes out of nowhere. It's a sequel so there's going to be new things in it.
>>9753795
Actually Chrono Trigger references are present throughout the game but what's your point? It's called storytelling.

[Anonymous No.9758487]

Chrono Trigger's story structure is just wildly different from Cross's and that makes a giant difference in how the games feel when placed side by side. Trigger opens with a problem that you fix rather quickly but causes another. After escaping the trial you find out about Lavos and that drives everything that happens from there on. You can fight Lavos the second you get to the End of Time if you want. You'll get creamed but that is always your end game and it's presented to you as an option like 2-3 hours into the game. Cross does nothing of the sort. You don't find out about what the fuck is really going on until you get to the dead sea. You're basically in the fight with Miguel by the time everything gets explained to you. Until then you're just trapped, going from point A to point B, without any real understanding of why. People may be into that, especially fans of Dragon Quest, but it's very different from what Trigger did. Truthfully, the whole Chronopolis and Time Crash shit should have been introduced way earlier and solving that should have become what drove the narrative throughout. Cross's problems are fixed right away if you find out about the war between Chronopolis and Dinopolis early on and then have to figure out what to do about it.

[Anonymous No.9758627]

why were the panther demon that attacked serge and lynx two entirely seperate entities lmao

[Anonymous No.9759647]

>>9749697
Well, yes, it's Toriyama's sameface designs. And in the 90s, everynip worshipped Toriyama's sameface designs. The entire Spanish-speaking world worships them even now. But you've jogged my memory: Cross came out directly after I played Trigger for the first time, and I never treated it as a sequel precisely because of this. The art style itself was non-canon. Cross is an episode of FF, not CT.

[Anonymous No.9759727]

>>9759647
Toriyama unironically has more variety in his faces than most artists. He rotates a stable of features but most artists literally just have one or two faces with only the hair being different. Sometimes even men and women have identical faces if you remove the hair. Look at Evangelion.

[Anonymous No.9760598]

>>9759647
Agreed.

>>9759727
Agreed.

[Anonymous No.9761352]

>>9753482
this is literally explained in detail

[Anonymous No.9761374]

kino

[Anonymous No.9761423]

>>9761352
So was Bruce Jenner's transition. Doesn't mean anyone understood wtf was going on.
Bruce shoulda had a TV special like Tom Green did when he had surgery for his testicular cancer or whatever it was.

[Anonymous No.9761489]

>>9761423
Who?

[Anonymous No.9761607]

>>9751870
Why is the dog put front and center in these official pics as if she's anything but a minor side character?

[Anonymous No.9761848]

>>9761423
Tom Green was ahead of his time. Everyone was thinking he was a burnout goof off when he was out there saving lives by talking about real shit.

[Anonymous No.9761936]

>>9761607
Everyone but three characters in that image is a "minor side character."

[Anonymous No.9762089]

>>9761607
You just know.

[Anonymous No.9762113]

>>9761848
Sure, but my bum is on the swedish. Swedish. Swedish.

[Anonymous No.9763402]

"UH THE ZEAL FAMILY WEREN'T NATURALLY BLUE AND BLAHBLAH POST FACTO RETCON"
Okay.
What stops her dress from being fucking purple? Purple like it was when she went missing?

[Anonymous No.9763452]

>>9763402
To quote Beck, do you think that
>she don't ever change her clothes?
Masterpieces liquidate infertile tears.

I mean... we've no idea where she went after the gate opened. We know where she canonically wound up eventually, but not if the gate got her there directly or if she was elsewhere for a while before the dream devourer or whatever it was got hold of her. It's entirely possible she would up in sixty-kajillion AD or some shit, lived there a while, bought a new dress at TK Maxx and THEN got caught by the semi sentient durian.
We.
Don't.
Know.

[Anonymous No.9763550]

>>9763452
More post facto shit.

[Anonymous No.9763562]

>>9763452
She was at the bottom of the ocean. She ain't going far...

[Anonymous No.9763615]

>>9751870
weird because I like his older art so much more, the remaster art isn't exactly bad, but it looks like a playskool version in comparison

[Anonymous No.9763639]

>>9761374

[Anonymous No.9763960]

>>9763550
Who. Cares.
Where in the games or associated official literature does it say that when the gate opened at the ocean palace that Schala was taken directly to wherever the shitting fuck of a cunt Lavos is?
All we know is that she wore a violet robe/dress thing and had blue-or-violet hair before the gate then had a white robe/dress thing and blonde hair when she wound up with Lavos. We haven't the slightest idea what that fuck happened to her between these two appearances. You can't even argue that you know authoritatively what happened to her hair because you somehow disagree with WoG that the royal family of Zeal dyed their hair.
The way i see it, no explanation, no matter how plausible or even if it's WoG itself, will suffice for you because waaah waaah waaah muh childhood. And that's fine. Might i suggest that if you don't like the plausible or even official explanations for shit that went untouched upon in the original material you fuck right off and find some other thing to obsess over?
All I'm saying is that we don't know what happened to Schala between her getting sucked into the gate and her appearance in Cross and that you can't say that you do without looking a right tit.

[Anonymous No.9763998]

>>9763960
>Who. Cares.
Me. Not reading a novel so I stopped there.
Put antagonization at the end next time, dumbass.

[Anonymous No.9764048]

>>9763960
I don't understand this attitude. Clearly the people who dive into the post facto shit are the ones "who care." Because everyone else doesn't want to be arsed to deal with all of these explanations that are only necessary because the game itself couldn't keep it's shit straight. You're acting like we're the ones obsessed with lore but then when people point out that Schala looks weird in Cross it's all "well ackshually..." And then after someone calls that out for being stupid it turns into "who. cares."? Come on now.

[Anonymous No.9764179]

>>9763998
>>9764048
You both look a right tit.

[Anonymous No.9764186]

>>9763452
Wait, your explanation is seriously that she got sucked in a portal, went shopping then got sucked in another portal? lmao, are you seriously going to reach that far to avoid admitting that your turd of a game has even a single flaw? Crossfag cope is unreal.

[Anonymous No.9764198]

>>9763960
>Who. Cares.
>Then that wall of text
You care, obviously. Keep seething crossfag, your game is shit and everyone can see that.

[Anonymous No.9764275]

>>9764198
lol
Where did anyone say that they even liked Cross?

>>9764186
>portal
Use the correct terminology, faggot.

>single flaw
lolwut
Cross is absolutely riddled with flaws. It's a thoroughly flawed story with a bunch of bullshit deadends and dropped stitches which never get picked up again.

[Anonymous No.9764652]

>>9764275
>Cross is absolutely riddled with flaws. It's a thoroughly flawed story with a bunch of bullshit deadends and dropped stitches which never get picked up again.
Well, yes. I agree completely. Why the fuck are you arguing against the people who poke at these holes?

[Anonymous No.9764801]

People aren't even saying that Schala's hair color couldn't make sense somehow. They're saying it's stupid that it even became an issue in the first place.

[Anonymous No.9765494]

>>9764652
>Why the fuck are you arguing against the people who poke at these holes?
The fact that she changed her clothes and dyed her hair are stupid fucking things to nitpick at when there are enormous fucking plot holes you could be pointing out instead, that's why. So bitch got herself a new dress and hired a goddamn colourist. Big fucking deal and whoopdiefuckingdoo.

[Anonymous No.9766043]

its more about the fact of how little they care to preserve the character. all they needed to do is keep the hair color the same and they couldnt be fucked to even do that. your right it is such a minute thing but it reflects cross being a bad sequel as a whole. the sooner you consider cross a standalone game the more you can appreciate it for its own elements.

[Anonymous No.9766105]

>>9765494
>The fact that she changed her clothes and dyed her hair are stupid fucking things to nitpick at when there are enormous fucking plot holes you could be pointing out instead
Shut the fuck up stupid.
What this guy said.
>>9766043

It's a case of "You can't even get THIS right?"

[Anonymous No.9766146]

>>9766043
>the sooner you consider cross a standalone game
But it's not a standalone game, the retard in charge made it a direct sequel. Anything else is cope.

[Anonymous No.9766150]

>>9765494
>NOOOOOO, YOU CAN'T POINT OUT THE GAME'S MOST BASIC FLAWS, YOU HAVE TO EXCLUSIVELY FOCUS ON THE BIGGEST HOLES ONLY
kys retard

[Anonymous No.9766153]

>>9745069
thread solved.

[Anonymous No.9766804]

>>9766153
BUT HER DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HER DRESS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE WHITE!!!! STOP RUINING MY CHILDHOOD!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.9766852]

>>9766146
he's not saying it is. he's just saying it's easier to stomach the game if you just pretend it isn't supposed to follow up trigger

i do agree with what he said

[Anonymous No.9766881]

>>9745069
>>9766153
>>9766804
thread solved.

[Anonymous No.9766934]

>>9753597
I want to read this entire paper

[Anonymous No.9766964]

>>9766881
NOOOOOOOOO!!!! SHE'S TOO DARK-SKINNED!!! SCHALA IS SUPPOSED TO BE AS WHITE AS HER PURITY!!!!!!! THIS IS LITERALLY WHITE GENOCIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDE!!!!!!!! STOP RUNNING MY CHILDHOOD!!!

[Anonymous No.9767516]

>>9766804
Who is this for? What's funny about the thing you're doing? You'll need to explain it because it isn't self-evident.
But more than that.. Why are you so upset by this thread?

[Anonymous No.9767524]

>>9766804
>>9766964
Who is this for? What's funny about the thing you're doing? You'll need to explain it because it isn't self-evident.
But more than that.. Why are you so upset by this thread?

[Anonymous No.9767541]

>>9767524
Read the fucking OP, retard. This. Is not. Schala until the wrong hair color, the wrong dress color and the wrong skin color are all fixed and everyone who involved in making those changes be forced to sudoku.

[Anonymous No.9767553]

>>9767541
>Read the fucking OP
I don't need to do that. I am the OP.
Again. Who is this for?
What's funny about the thing you're doing?
Why are you so upset by this thread?

[Anonymous No.9767732]

>>9767553
The OP literally says
>MAKE HER RESEMBLE THE CHARACTER THAT WAS IN THE GAME THAT EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER PLAYED
Seems to me that Anon is simply backing up that request.

[Anonymous No.9767963]

>>9767732
>The OP literally says-
I know what it says.
I wrote it. We've covered this.
How obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.9767976]

>>9767963
I agree. The OP's use of all caps really rather is, you're right. There was no need. I mean...
Who was that for? etc

[Anonymous No.9767995]

>>9767976
There is no thought in your head that I didn't put there, in other words.

[Anonymous No.9768019]

>>9766153
>>9766881
>Anons making a better job with a quick edit than Square did with a bunch of guys, years of time and millions in costs
top kek

>>9767524
>Why are you so upset by this thread?
I can only assume he's an eternally butthurt crossfag

[Anonymous No.9768030]

>>9767995
k

[Anonymous No.9768049]

>>9767553
>Why are you so upset by this thread?
Pardon? I'm not remotely.
Were the thread upsetting, I'd just hide it and keep it moving. Rather, the banter is entertaining and i thought it was understood i was being satirical. Apologies if i was thoughtless. I imagined it would be taken humourously but i suppose i did a poor job of it, sorry.

>>9768019
>crossfag
lolno
I don't really like it. I do, however, really like how it makes people foam at the mouth in total hatred of it. It's not a great game and, being but a great game, it doesn't deserve as much attention and bandwidth as people give it and I'm just playing on that attention for amusement, an act known as 'trolling.' honestly, i meant it lightheartedly but again, i misjudged things.
But hey: at least some talented Anon did some fixes of the character model as a result.

[Anonymous No.9768052]

>>9768049

[Anonymous No.9768063]

>>9745069
>>9766153
>>9766804
>>9766881
>>9766964
thread solved.

[Anonymous No.9768072]

>>9768052
iyss

But lemme ask this: what's the difference between >>9766150 and>>9766804?

[Anonymous No.9768078]

>>9768063
You... actually fucking did it. That looks really good.
Could anyone perhaps change the in-game model to this or something like it? It looks too good to not do so.

[Anonymous No.9768097]

>>9768063
Based

[Anonymous No.9768135]

>>9768078
it wont do the job since you see her again in a cgi cutscene in all her laziness

[Anonymous No.9768138]

SQUARE ARE YOU OKAY?
SQUARE ARE YOU OKAY?
ARE YOU OKAY SQUARE!

[Anonymous No.9768292]

>>9768138
Are you in the dadrock band across the street from me? The guy who lives there has his other dad friends come by EVERY. DAMN. Friday. and they practice playing music from the 90s and aughts. Last week, they didn't thirty fucking minutes playing and replaying and replaying Alien Ant Farm's cover of Smooth Criminal.
This week, they've been less shit and were able to cover Third Eye Blind's Jumper on one take but stumbled on Enter Sandman (odd pairing of songs, IMO)

[Anonymous No.9768378]

>>9746137
>>9749616
Toriyama simply stopped giving a shit once he became retardedly rich thanks to Dragon Ball's success. Also google "Toriyama forgot" and have a good laugh.

[Anonymous No.9768398]

>the original Secret of Mana for SNES CD got split into SNES SoM and CT
>the original CT2 got split into CC and Xenogears
Conclusion: Chrono Trigger is cursed to never have a truly "full" game

[Anonymous No.9769060]

>>9768063
>>9768138
Nah seriously why couldn't they do this?

[Anonymous No.9769092]

>>9769060
>Not enough fucks given, Kato thought randomly changing Schala's appearance was perfectly reasonable, Kato hated Chrono Trigger and wanted to retcon as much as he could (The Rian Johnson treatment)
Choose one

[Anonymous No.9769372]

Kato's final message for the Cross franchise is "go outside and get a GF" and he knew using an actress with fucking blue hair would give some the wrong idea who to look for.

[Anonymous No.9769392]

>>9769372
It's always about sex and girlfriends with you people, jesus christ.
Find a more amusing rejoinder already. Fuck.

[Anonymous No.9769565]

>>9769372
kek. Life is suffering for a man with a japan-induced danger hair fetish.

>>9769392
But it's true. Kato had a live actress walk through Tokyo to send the message "abandon vidya, your girl is out there". Complain to him if you don't like it.

[Anonymous No.9770485]

>>9769565
Chrono Cross is not the game for that message though. Imagine beating Zelda and the ending is like "Go get a job." It comes out of left field because nothing in the game set it up as a conceit the story was running with. At best you could argue that the multiple timeline thing sets up the option that "our" world is another parallel universe. But that's also weird as shit because the timelines don't differ from each other THAT much. If you play through Chrono Trigger and watch the ending where Magus goes off looking for Schala, it's quite a pill to swallow that she's strolling around present day Japan.

[Anonymous No.9770523]

>>9770485
It's ok. Magus erased his own memories, never cared about recovering them or the quest that was supposedly so important to him and ended up becoming a selfish, alcoholic, two-bit conman magician. They both became different persons and stopped caring about each other, there's no problem with them ending up in different worlds entirely.

Cross's story and what it did with the old characters is awful at every possible level.

[Anonymous No.9770529]

>>9769565
If true I don't care.
But I don't grant that either.

[Anonymous No.9770538]

>>9770529
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9T9kZzSEvI

[Anonymous No.9770542]

>>9770485
Cross revolves all around how a single individual makes the difference, it's the PERFECT game to carry that message. Home and Another are similar because Home is literally split off Another. Because they are similar the game can show how small decisions influence a person, such as the guy who didn't become a fisherman. That's relatable, unlike OH WOW IN THIS REALITY HE BECAME TROONBOT9000. The game also showcases vastly different dimensions, namely in the Dinopolis/Chronopolis fight, so a reality like dimension is hardly out of place.

[Anonymous No.9770651]

>>9770538
Yeah.
You're full of shit.
Just like I said.

???????????

>Ha. And look at this. This a photograph from the future. It depicts you, holding excalibur, the sword of the one true king. And me, in my demon form, beheaded
>Haha. What do you have to say to THAT? FOOL
I dunno man, what would you say to something like that?
Goddamned dumbass.

[Anonymous No.9770679]

>>9770651
lol wut? Are you high? Drunk maybe?

[Anonymous No.9770685]

>>9770679
No.
I am not either of those two things.

[Anonymous No.9770698]

>>9753482
Late reply, but Trigger absolutely has element use, did you even play it?

[Anonymous No.9771080]

>>9770698
>she doesn't know what an element is
lol

[Anonymous No.9771513]

>>9753482
>Dinopolis
Existed in an alternate timeline where reptites won, ofc it's not in Trigger
>Chronopolis
constructed after 1999 as a result of Lavos being defeated, an event that doesn't happen to the very end of Trigger
>beastpeople
indigenous to El-Nido which was not featured in CT, it's a new place with new people. El Nido itself was created artificially and only because of events that followed the defeat of Lavos
>Dragon Worship
see Dinopolis
>Elements
See Chronopolis
>El Nido
See Demi-humans/chronopolis

[Anonymous No.9772114]

>>9753482
Let's not forget that there's no Frozen Flame or Arbiter in Chrono Trigger, that even things like the Masamume or Schala's pendant are different for no apparent reason, reptites are now draconians and their entire civilization has done a 180 regarding nature, and even the name Chrono Trigger is now used to refer to Serge for no apparent reason, while the device that Gaspar made has now always been the Time Egg.

It's like a completely unrelated game that was hastily retrofitted to become a sequel when its production was almost complete.

[Anonymous No.9772381]

I felt the same disappointment when Omega appears in Mega Man Zero 3

[Anonymous No.9773095]

they even fuck you in the mechanics. trigger teaches you that your choices dont really matter too much or are flat out ignored. cross IMMEDATELY reverses this and straight up punishes the player for making the RIGHT decision and letting kid go with you. there is fucking zero reason to say no to her, theres NO evidence to suggest saying no to her could lead to sometihng else, theres zero prior hints that teach the player that choices can have a deep impact and theres no impression you could have made the wrong choice for the rest of the game. if you say yes to have kid join you you just loose a pretty important character with NO upsides cause kid just joins you eventually anyway. saying yes is wrong. saying no is right. honestly who here got leene on their first play through or had to look it up or didnt even know she can join you? this is a poorly executed scenario
people arent kidding when they say this game was made by miserable people.

[Anonymous No.9773112]

>>9773095
What, you actually want to save the waifu? Enjoy missing out on the single best companion of the game. You should have let her die, it's the objectively correct choice. It doesn't even affect her opinion of you at all, she still falls in love with the guy who said "meh. Don't wanna" when it looked like he was the only one who could obtain the antidote.

[Anonymous No.9773120]

>>9773112
One thing Chrono Cross gets right is buffing X-Strike, the clearly coolest dual tech that ever was.

[Anonymous No.9773141]

>>9772114
>Let's not forget that there's no Frozen Flame or Arbiter
Yeah it's not like this is a sequel that exists after Lavos was defeated and those things didn't exists yet. It's not as if the game states that Draconians were the evolution of Reptites from another timeline where they won the war against humans and basically assert themselves into the kingdom of zeal status or anything. Like no fucking shit it's not in Chrono Trigger, either is an alternate scenario or didn't fucking happen yet you retard

[Anonymous No.9773146]

>>9773112
>What, you actually want to save the waifu? Enjoy missing out on the single best companion of the game.
And this is a problem because?... Your actions have consequences, deal with it faggot. That's the entire point of the game.

[Anonymous No.9773152]

>>9773146
>Action: Let Kid die
>>Consequence: She lives, randomly gets saved by someone else, is grateful to you instead of him, still falls in love with you, you recruit the best companion in the game
>Action: Save Kid
>>Consequence, She lives, you recruit picrelated retarded kid
Nice game, faggot.

[Anonymous No.9773157]

>>9773141
>those things didn't exists yet
Chrono Cross literally states that the Enlightened Ones developed magic after coming in contact with the Frozen Flame, the same thing that you say didn't exist yet. Cope and seethe retard, you crossfags always have to resort to headcanon to defend your shit game.

[Anonymous No.9773247]

>>9773146
its another moronic scenario. this isnt like viper mansion where your choosing plan A approach to situation or plan B approach to situation. your given the options "i want to advance the story" or "i dont want to play this game anymore" where once again you get the better character by going against the momentum of the game. at least this time the "wrong" choice still gets you a (bad) character who is SIGNIFICATLY less important to the overall story, looks stupid and isnt likable in the least compared to the other guy. if the set of options were worded like "lets do it" or "lets figure out another way" then ok but its literally "lets do what was suggested" or "leave her to die" with choosing for her to die, ends with "your a fucking dirtbag"

[Anonymous No.9773317]

>>9773247
trigger has a great example of how to do it right.
weeks ago i remember seeing a topic here about someone complaining about the court trial and that you have no way of knowing those small things you did were going to reward or punish you.
hes right.
you have no idea that eating that chicken was gonna bite you in the ass or leading that cat to the girl was gonna reward you. however here the devs were AWARE of that which is why your not PUNISHED for doing the bad things but are rewarded for doing the good ones. ultimately the game still progresses the same. the devs are teasing and having fun with you. the reward isnt even that big to warrant a restart the log nor would break the game obtaining it in future playthroughs. its like a mid ether something.
if this were cross failing the trail would result in fargos ship somehow crashing into darios hut, locking you from getting mastermune in that log BUT it would be done in such a way you had no way of knowing the trial triggered it.

[Anonymous No.9773330]

>>9773247
trigger has a great example of how to do it right.
weeks ago i remember seeing a topic here about someone complaining about the court trial and that you have no way of knowing those small things you did were going to reward or punish you.
hes right.
you have no idea that eating that chicken was gonna bite you in the ass or leading that cat to the girl was gonna reward you. however here the devs were AWARE of that which is why your not PUNISHED for doing the bad things but are rewarded for doing the good ones. ultimately the game still progresses the same. the devs are just teasing and having fun with you. the reward isnt even that big to warrant restarting the log nor would break the game obtaining it in future playthroughs. its like a mid ether something.
if this were cross failing the trail would result in fargos massive ship somehow crashing into this island. destroying darios hut and him, locking you from getting mastermune in that log BUT it would be done in such a way you had no way of knowing the trial triggered it. because why would it?

[Anonymous No.9773332]

>>9773330
>trigger has a great example of how to do it right.
nah

[Anonymous No.9773338]

>>9773152
Actual coping

[Anonymous No.9773341]

>>9773157
Everything else you retard, Trigger didn't explicitly state how contact with Lavos caused rapid development of humans to the Zeal civilization but alluded to it because it was obvious, all Cross does is introduce a McGuffin that is a piece of lavos that was a direct cause for that evolution.
For everything else you complained about, see >>9771513

[Anonymous No.9773347]

>>9773338
Is any of it wrong, seething crossfag?

>>9773341
>all Cross does is
retcon shit. You can cope and seethe all you like, but all Cross does is retcon shit. Picrel is yet another retcon, btw. Ayla wasn't human according to Cross.

[Anonymous No.9773349]

>>9773317
>Platforming game
>see bottomless pit
>try to jump across
>miss and die
>Have to replay 5 minute level

>RPG
>get dialog choice
>pick option you think makes sense
>continue to play game
>get bad ending
>have to replay 20 hours of game

I swear a lot of RPGs were designed to sell the official strategy guides.

[Anonymous No.9773350]

>>9745069
Chrono trigger had a sequel?

[Anonymous No.9773354]

>>9773347
>muh retcon
Oh so yeah in Trigger where humans just happen to randomly develop technology far beyond what's even capable in the era of 1999 only in the span of a few thousands years makes sense but when you suddenly offer an actual explanation OH NO HOW TERRIBLE CROSS RETCON
You are just being a disingenuous arse

[Anonymous No.9773378]

>>9773354
>Lavos fell on the Earth and messed with the genes of a subsection of humanity to give them magic. Humans then used this gift to develop hyperadvanced magitek while they worship Lavos as a god
>Coping Crossfag: HUMANS JUST HAPPEN TO RANDOMLY DEVELOP TECHNOLOGY FAR BEYOND, FOR NO REASON AT ALL
>This all happened when they came in contact with the Frozen Flame, a vague macguffin that had not been mentioned at all by anyone nor seen in our visit to that hyperadvanced civilization
>Coping Crossfag: FINALLY, AN ACTUAL EXPLANATION AND NOT A RETCON AT ALL
lol
lmao, even

[Anonymous No.9773382]

>>9773378
>>Lavos fell on the Earth and messed with the genes of a subsection of humanity to give them magic. Humans then used this gift to develop hyperadvanced magitek while they worship Lavos as a god
Yes, via the frozen flame. What is so hard to understand about this? This is perfectly inline with that explanation.

[Anonymous No.9773402]

>>9773382
Via something that was never mentioned, seen, or implied to be needed at all. That's a retcon anon. It added nothing, explained nothing and only created more questions, like where the fuck was the Frozen Flame before Zeal fell, or why was it never mentioned at all. You can headcanon answers to these questions, like you headcanon a lot of other shit that Cross does, but if they hadn't retconned shit then these headcanons would not be needed at all.

It's not the most egregious retcon, I'll grant you that (why the fuck did they feel the need to change the appearance of Schala's pendant to picrel?) but a retcon nonetheless.

[Anonymous No.9773420]

>>9773402
>It added nothing,
Wrong, it was central to the plot of Chrono Cross and tied it back it being a rippling effect caused by Lavos.
> like where the fuck was the Frozen Flame before Zeal fell
It's an artifact that was discovered because Lavos plummeted into the earth, the exact precise location is largely irrelevant.
>(why the fuck did they feel the need to change the appearance of Schala's pendant to picrel?)
I don't even know if the Astral Amulet is Schala's pendant or not.

[Anonymous No.9773436]

>>9773420
>Wrong, it was central to the plot of Chrono Cross and tied it back it being a rippling effect caused by Lavos.
Yes, yes, but it added nothing to the plot of Chrono Trigger. There was no unresolved question that was answered by its existence. It was a solution in search of a problem that only created more problems.
>the exact precise location is largely irrelevant.
Irrelevant? The location of Lavos's cave is very relevant when the Ocean Palace was built in the bottom of the ocean to be closer to him. You mean to tell me that they were able to find Lavos and try to harvest from him, but they couldn't locate the thing that Lavos used to give them power? How did Balthazar know about it or get it in the future if it was unknown in Zeal?
>I don't even know if the Astral Amulet is Schala's pendant or not.
If the mysterious amulet that Kid has and gives her vague power over time is not Schala's pendant, what happened to Schala's pendant?

This is pretty much what I mean. A good sequel answers questions left by the original. A bad sequel creates questions and provides answers for things that no one questioned. Chrono Cross is very much the latter.

[Anonymous No.9773469]

>>9773436
>A good sequel answers questions left by the original
i'm not the guy you're replying to, but this is the thing with trigger: its only unresolved thread is "where did schala go and where did magus go to find her"
i haven't played it but cross appears to extrapolate to an absurd extreme and completely fuck with the original plot in the process. i honestly have no interest in playing it despite liking trigger

[Anonymous No.9773485]

>>9773469
Yep, you're absolutely right. This was the only unresolved plot threat. Chrono Trigger setup would make for a natural sequel that had Magus as a protagonist in his quest to find and save his sister. Instead, Cross twists everything into a pretzel to make Schala from a gentle, meek, blue-haired princess into a foul-mouthed blonde pirate with an aussie accent and Magus is almost never even mentioned at all. It completely squanders that setup to do its own thing and then hastily tries to tie the games together with duct tape. It really feels like it was an unrelated game that the higher ups mandated become a sequel to Trigger mid-development, even though this is not what really happened.

You're really better off not playing it. Any resolution to the tale of Magus and Schala you can imagine was better than what Cross did.

[Anonymous No.9773724]

>>9773469
>>9773485
What about Radical Dreamers?

[Anonymous No.9773795]

>>9773724

>>9747909

[Anonymous No.9773802]

>>9773724
Magus? In Radical Dreamers? What do you mean?
>>9747909

I don't see him.

[Anonymous No.9773815]

>>9773802
NTA, but doesn't one of the endings confirm Maguile as Magus?

[Anonymous No.9773826]

>>9773815
>Maguile
Gil. Just Gil.

[Anonymous No.9773885]

>>9773826
Same guy

[Anonymous No.9773893]

>>9773815
That guy?
No no no you're mistaken.
Silly person.

[Anonymous No.9773903]

>>9773112
I hated that part because I had been ignoring Kid up until that point and then the game is like AREN'CHA GONNACHA SAVECHA FRIENDCHA and I'm just I don't even know this bitch fuck off

[Anonymous No.9773917]

>>9773469
>its only unresolved thread is
queen zeal disagrees. the last time you see her shes pretty much immortal and teleports away laughing. you can say tat once lavos dies so does she but i dont think that was their intention.

[Anonymous No.9773936]

>>9773802
Ah, you're right.
My bad.

[Anonymous No.9773959]

Game. Set. Match.

[Anonymous No.9773972]

>>9773959
>image was made to make Cross look bad
>all it does it make it look kino
Yeah... not sure why people post this as a negative.

[Anonymous No.9773991]

>>9773972
C'man.
You gotta at least try.

[Anonymous No.9774289]

>>9773724
Radical Dreamers wasn't even meant to be related until Kato got writer's block close to the end. Kid looks nothing like Schala because when her design was made she was just a rando thief.

[Anonymous No.9774291]

>>9773959
Here's one without that shitty addition on the bottom