/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.9683898]

As a collector, I honestly can't believe some people pay prices like that.

[Anonymous No.9683952]

>>9683898
Some people have money and don't mind spending money on a hobby. That's literally why. More people than ever are interested in this kind of thing and as a result prices go up because they know someone will pay. Basically anyone who was an actual fan of this shit got all their collecting done years ago or simply never let their original purchases go.

[Anonymous No.9683954]

>>9683898
I saw that at Pink Gorilla as well, I think they mixed up the GBC price with the NES price of DWIII, GBC prices are way lower on ebay.

[Anonymous No.9683960]

soldering is easy for me, how do I start charging people? I already fixed a bunch of pokemon betteries for coworkers for free.

[Anonymous No.9683981]

$100 isn't that much money

[Anonymous No.9683986]

>>9683898
$100 isn’t really bad. A lot for a GBA game.

For a console game in the /vr/ sphere, $100 of today’s money is probably less than it was when it was new. Me personally, I’ve only ever paid over $100 for one game (not a /vr/ one though) but I’m not that shocked by the idea.

[Anonymous No.9683987]

>>9683960
you dont need to solder to replace batteries you fucking poser. all you need is scissors and tape to fix every single battery backed game

[Anonymous No.9683990]

>>9683986
>GBA
GBC* I’m tired

[Anonymous No.9684007]

>>9683952
>don't mind spending
Exactly this. Sellers are price gauging and dont mind to wait for that one special idiot, who has more money than brain cells.

[Anonymous No.9684016]

>>9683987
That's the stupid way to do it. You probably break controllers and punch holes in the wall.
Anyway, a couple gold/silver carts already had the battery replaced with a shitty one. whoever soldered those ones did a shitty job but it can be cleaned up easily.

[Anonymous No.9684057]

>>9684007
There's "having money" (which none of these people have, let's be realistic) and there's the special idiot(s) who don't put their money into anything actually beneficial or long term.

[Anonymous No.9684059]

>new save battery
why even coomlect when your cartridges are just getting ship of theseus'd away.

[Anonymous No.9684072]

>>9683952
>More people than ever are interested in this kind of thing
HOLY SHIT BRO YOU MEAN TO TELL ME 6.4 MILLION PEOPLE BOUGHT POKEMON CRYSTAL JUST LAST WEEK?

[Anonymous No.9684073]

>>9684059
Why play on a real Game Boy when you don't have the original pair of AA's that were included with it?

[Anonymous No.9684081]

>>9683981
That’s a months wage

[Anonymous No.9684082]

>>9684073
being sentimental about the batteries your game boy shipped makes about more sense than being sentimental for the rom chip in your favorite game but not any of the rest of the cartridge

[Anonymous No.9684097]

>>9684081
...Where?

[Anonymous No.9684185]

>>9684072
what are you attempting to imply with your retard post?

[Anonymous No.9684365]

>>9684185
That quite evidently, fewer people than ever are interested in this kind of thing, given the fact Pokemon Crystal isn't moving millions nowadays.

[Anonymous No.9684385]

>>9683898
>Pink Gorilla

[Anonymous No.9684431]

You can get a CIB Japanese version of any given game in pristine condition for a fraction of what a loose, cartridge-only NA copy would cost. At this point just learn Japanese and start collecting the JP versions, I don't understand how people would rather pay a ridiculous markup for shitty localizations. Hell, even just emulating the English version and importing a cheap JP copy you can't understand for collection purposes makes much more sense than straight up wasting money like this.

[Anonymous No.9684439]

>>9684431
But you can't look at JP version and reminisce of that time you asked your mom to buy it and she didn't 30 years ago

[Anonymous No.9684440]

>>9684059
I asked one of my kids why zoomers are so obsessed with shouting "ship of theseus" every chance they get, and even randomly when not relevant like you did. He explained it and we both agreed it's super cringe.

[Anonymous No.9684604]

>>9683981
That’s a weeks worth of pay!

[Anonymous No.9684637]

>>9683898
Lazy, and desperate people will pay prices like that.

[Anonymous No.9684670]

>>9684431
>You can get a CIB Japanese version of any given game in pristine condition for a fraction of what a loose, cartridge-only NA copy would cost.
No you can't. There are plenty of games that are more expensive in Japan like any of the original Sonic's, Ristar, or Comix Zone. And there are also lots of games where the price difference between the NA version and the Japanese version is so negligible that you might as well just get the NA version. Especially now that prices are rising in Japan too.
>even just emulating the English version and importing a cheap JP copy you can't understand for collection purposes makes much more sense
This is exactly why the prices for retro games are rising in Japan.


Also,
>>9684439
This.

[Anonymous No.9684778]

>>9684431

Learning Japanese damages your brain. You start wanting everybody to have a tiny nose and a big tall chin. You begin to believe that the FF7 chibi models are actually cool and good and appropriate. Your vulnerability to pachinko addiction increases by 700%. It's not a healthy thing to do.

[Anonymous No.9684842]

>>9684431
I do this a lot. Good thing I mostly enjoy action games that don't require you to know a single bit of moonspeak. Jarpig fans are the ones who get their assholes reamed because they need to buy english copies of earthbound or chrono trigger or whatever.

[Anonymous No.9684848]

>>9683987
Holy shit neck yourself.

[Anonymous No.9684878]

>>9684670
>There are plenty of games that are more expensive in Japan like any of the original Sonic's, Ristar, or Comix Zone
To be fair the Mega Drive was pretty niche in Japan compared to the Genesis in America, so it makes sense that Japanese Mega Drive stuff is more expensive. Most of the popular stuff that's ridiculously overpriced in the US is still significantly cheaper in Japan, especially JRPGs.

[Anonymous No.9685023]

>>9683952
The problem is this hobby used to be affordable by anyone. I remember back around 2007 or so buying so many PS1 and N64 games for a few bucks each. Amazon had dozens of copies of Perfect Dark still sealed for $3 each. I remember back in the 90s there were so many NES games listed in the Funcoland flier for a few cents. Zelda 1 I recall was a quarter at most. Zelda! A quarter!

It's when clowns started acting like every single shitty game they have is the next Nintendo World Championship and then dipshits like Wata appeared that prices skyrocketed to levels that would make Nvidia vomit.

[Anonymous No.9685037]

>>9684097
any country besides EEUU (formerly USA)

[Anonymous No.9685141]

>>9683898
The sky is blue, water is wet, dumb people pay dumb prices. What else is new?

[Anonymous No.9685263]

This was in 2018 maybe I should have picked it up then kek

[Anonymous No.9685268]

This was in 2018 maybe I should have picked it up then kek

[Anonymous No.9685270]

>>9685263
You wouldn't have bought it then because it was just $140 back in 2015

[Anonymous No.9685275]

>>9684081
I make $100 in an hour and 12 minutes

[Anonymous No.9685280]

>>9684082
I like the label and the case, too

[Anonymous No.9685326]

>>9683898
As a non-collector I can't believe people pay money at all.

[Anonymous No.9685394]

>>9683986
DW3 for GBC was released in 2001, and was $30 at launch. Portable systems were ALWAYS cheaper than home systems

[Anonymous No.9685395]

>>9685275
Must be a busy street corner.

[Anonymous No.9685410]

>>9684059
>>9685280
>>9684082
>>9684073
the battery is just a CR1616 with solder tabs on it, indistinguishable from any other.
The only GBC game with a unique battery is Robopon, and that's only because it's a regular coin cell and was designed to be replaced by the user.

[Anonymous No.9685572]

>>9685268
But why would a US copy of a Japanese game be worth more than the Japanese version?

Why is a CIB american Pokemon Yellow selling for 3000 dollars while you can find the same japanese Pokemon Yellow or european Yellow for less than 100 dollarydoos?

>>9684431
Prices from Japanese sellers have actually been steadily increasing, especially online. It seems they've finally caught up with Americans just having too much money.

[Anonymous No.9685609]

>>9685023
better start collecting ps3 games now

[Anonymous No.9685635]

>>9685141
>has all the works
>$500 + shipping
it not only better come in a plastic protector, but with little to no scratches for that price. jesus christ thats outrageous

[Anonymous No.9685797]

>>9683898
its cheaper just to pay a homeless person to steal it for you

[Anonymous No.9685821]

>>9683898
>could have bought this for 10 complete in box back in 2013 and i got mario tennis instead.

[Anonymous No.9685898]

>>9685609
>better start collecting ps3 games now
haha maann I know this is probably good "investment" advice because ps3 games are cheap as shit, but I can't imagine trash like uncharted or arkham becoming "retro collectables" that future zoomies pay hundreds for. will this trash future come to pass?

[Anonymous No.9685960]

>>9684365
people want to play the original cartridges; that's what is meant by "this kind of thing"

[Anonymous No.9685962]

>>9685268
they didn't even wrap it before putting that sticker on it, oh my god

[Anonymous No.9685967]

>>9683898
I
Simply
Emulate

[Anonymous No.9685971]

>>9684440
When my friend as a teenager learned the word 'somewhat' he started using it all the time to sound smart

[Anonymous No.9686085]

>>9685967
This, I have started selling all my old shit for bloated prices and instead I just emulate.
I sold my pokemon xd gale of darkness without a manual for 200$. Lmao enjoy the game bro.

[Anonymous No.9686116]

>>9685898
It will be like PS2 games where only the actually uncommon games will be worth anything

[Anonymous No.9686229]

>>9685394
Yeah that’s why I said it was a lot for a GBC game

[Anonymous No.9686270]

>>9683898
It's even funnier (actually, sadder and dumber) when you consider you can get all of that for free and just emulate like a normal person. Anyone buying this garbage is an idiot.

[Anonymous No.9686274]

>>9685898
People don’t pay hundreds for Sonic 2 or Mario 3 either. Its the niche shit that has small prints that people learn about after the fact that makes the big bucks.

[Anonymous No.9686278]

>>9686270
99% of people who collect also emulate m8 its not a big secret. You aren’t a 1337 h4x0r.

[Anonymous No.9686281]

>>9686270

[Anonymous No.9686283]

>>9685898
Also PS3 is still well in millennial territory. The youngest millennials were like 8 when it came out.

[Anonymous No.9686303]

>>9683898
>As a collector, I honestly can't believe some people pay prices like that.

And GBC game use to retail for $29.99.

[Anonymous No.9686324]

>>9685572
Because less supply more demand

[Anonymous No.9686338]

>>9685572
>But why would a US copy of a Japanese game be worth more than the Japanese version?
It's pretty obvious- The U.S. versions of these old RPGs had comparatively smaller print runs are more in demand while the Japanese versions had more, but no one wants them because foreign collectorfags can't into moonrues and will never learn it save for a tiny few every so often.

[Anonymous No.9686352]

People buy stamps
People buy books
People buy comic books

[Anonymous No.9686374]

>>9684385
Two in the pink gorilla, one in the stink gorilla

[Anonymous No.9686378]

>>9684878
>especially JRPGs
Which you can't play, so they'll sit on your shelf and collect dust instead of being played.

[Anonymous No.9686390]

>>9685394
Its also worth noting that just because someone is asking a price, that doesn’t mean its selling

Funnily enough, $30 in 2001 is almost exactly $50 today

[Anonymous No.9686395]

>>9685572
>It seems they've finally caught up with Americans just having too much money
That's not why. The prices have been going up domestically, so the exporters also have to increase their prices or they won't make anything. It's not a matter of making more money off dumb Americans, it's simply that they have to pay more ro even get the games now because importers are ruining the market.

[Anonymous No.9686397]

>>9685395
kek
That might be easier some days desu

[Anonymous No.9686404]

>>9686338
I am trying. 日本語は難しいです。

[Anonymous No.9686415]

>>9685962
imagine how much it would be worth without the sticker

[Anonymous No.9686427]

>>9686404
頑張って

[Anonymous No.9686435]

>>9686404
It's not hard at all.

[Anonymous No.9686480]

>>9685609
There's barely any I'm interested in, but they're basically free. Its great.

[Anonymous No.9686514]

>>9686435
What makes people say shit like that? Obviously it's a very hard language, unless you're Chinese or something. For someone raised in a western language it's probably easier to learn French, German and Spanish than just Japanese

[Anonymous No.9686520]

>>9686514
And this statement is based on what exactly? Yeah, that's what I thought man. Seriously. It's a fixed phenome system, there's literally a finite amount of ways to pronounce things. Japanese is a perfectly logical language with a logical structure, and IS easy to learn compared to English.

[Anonymous No.9686537]

>>9686520
I know you have autism and only are pretending to be stupid as an immature argument technique, but an english speaker can learn multiple european languages in the time it takes to speak the equivalent of a japanese elementary schoolers

[Anonymous No.9686539]

>>9686435
Yes it fuckin is
How many languages have you studied? Something like German, you can learn most grammatical rules in no time. The only tricky part is gendered nouns and some very light differences between casual and formal speech.

With Japanese you have bullshit like counters, ten billion possible conjugations for any verb, polite vs. casual speech, an abnormally large number of personal pronouns, using different transitive verbs based on the social status of the subject and object, learning pitch accents (the actual most difficult part) and, of course, kanji.

Coming at least from the position of a native English speaker, its one of the most difficult languages that’s in common use. Hell you have to mostly speak it in a different register.

[Anonymous No.9686543]

>>9686427
ありがとう。頑張りましょう。

[Anonymous No.9686545]

>>9686520
Based on the fact that English is my second language and I've been learning Japanese for years now. It's hard. I could learn English three times in the time it's taking me to learn Japanese
>IS easy to learn compared to English
Lmao
>Japanese is a perfectly logical language with a logical structure
The "logic" that you've read about doesn't apply half the time in this fucked up language. It's a matter of memorizing every word on a case by case basis, you memorize both the reading and the writing for all of it. Basically it's like learning two languages at the same time, and you have to know kanji to even begin learning the written part of the language. Yeah real easy, not like ENGLISH

[Anonymous No.9686547]

>>9686520
>there's literally a finite amount of ways to pronounce things
This is what happens when you only study reading/writing. You think 神 and 紙 are pronounced the same.

[Anonymous No.9686550]

>>9686435
>bullshit the post

[Anonymous No.9686713]

>>9685960
And in the 90's millions played the original cartridge

[Anonymous No.9686835]

COVID irreversibly fucked the retro market even harder than it already was. People were even more interested in "muh nostalgia" during the lockdown and led to average selling prices on eBay skyrocketing, and on top of that, local stores jacked up prices to make back profit and not get shut down from the forced hiatus.
We're almost surely never coming back from this state, and it's your civic duty to softmod or get flash carts depending on your systems of choice.

[Anonymous No.9686976]

>>9686514
>What makes people say shit like that?
Life experience. I'm an L2 speaker and I studied to fluency, live in Japan and use Japanese every day in daily life and for work. It's not hard at all.
>Obviously it's a very hard language
As a native English speaker, Japanese is harder to learn than OTHER LANGUAGES, but that doesn't mean it is hard to learn. It just means that it requires more time investment than other languages. All languages are learned the same way, it's just that some take more time investment because they don't have as many similarities to your native language as others do. But the actual level of difficulty is still the same, it's just that some languages like Spanish or German take less time because in many cases if you don't know a word you can just say the English word with an accent and there's a decent chance you'll be correct (especially in German).
>unless you're Chinese or something
I'm white. Formerly American. My ancestors are all European and have been in America since at least the 1700s (I only know this because one of my ancestors has a state park named after her in Kentucky).
>For someone raised in a western language it's probably easier to learn French, German and Spanish
I would like to say that the difficulty level would be about the same, but I unironically believe that English is harder to learn than Japanese simply because Japanese grammar is extremely logical and straightforward and English grammar doesn't seem to follow any hard rules and even as a native I always make mistakes. Since Spanish, German and French are closer to English I'm going to assume that their grammar is equally retarded - so I believe the actual level of difficulty would be lower if you were to learn Japanese, but it would take more time because of the higher number of vocab to memorize.

[Anonymous No.9686993]

>>9686976
>Japanese is harder to learn than OTHER LANGUAGES
Thanks for conceding

[Anonymous No.9686995]

>>9686539
>Yes it fuckin is
It's not.
>How many languages have you studied?
English native, so obviously English. In middle school we studied some Spanish and French but I don't remember any of it. I did two years of German in high school but I don't remember any of that either. And of course Japanese as an adult, and I'm fluent. My statement is based on my experience.
>Something like German, you can learn most grammatical rules in no time
Japanese grammar is very straightforward and extremely logical. It takes hardly any time at all to learn and they don't have that gendered nonsense that romance languages have.
>and some very light differences between casual and formal speech
Isn't that a thing in every language?
>With Japanese you have bullshit like counters
Counters are a meme. You only ever really need a few.
>ten billion possible conjugations for any verb
Japanese doesn't have any conjugations. But what you are referring to as "conjugations", there are only a few and they can all be memorized in like two weeks along with all of the other basic grammar.
>polite vs. casual speech
You just said that exists in German too. The difference between polite and casual speech in Japanese can be memorized in 15 minutes.
>an abnormally large number of personal pronouns
There's only a handful but it doesn't really matter because pronouns are rarely even used. Just use 私 if you don't know which one to use. This is literally a beginner meme that only Americans struggle with.
>using different transitive verbs based on the social status of the subject and object
Are you retarded?
>Pitch accent
It's a meme. Accent is acquired naturally.
>Kanji
You learn them while reading. If you used literally any other method than you bought into a scam.
>Coming at least from the position of a native English speaker, its one of the most difficult languages that’s in common use.
It's one of the most logical, straightforward languages in the world.

[Anonymous No.9686996]

>>9686976
German grammar is actually pretty strict, also

[Anonymous No.9686997]

>>9686539
>you have to mostly speak it in a different register
Only if you're gay.

[Anonymous No.9687003]

>>9686995
>Japanese doesn't have any conjugations
Okay pissshitting argument aside (I’m right you’re wrong but whatever), how in the fuck do you figure

[Anonymous No.9687006]

>>9683898
Nigger you had over 30 years to buy this stuff

zoomers btfo

[Anonymous No.9687008]

>>9686545
>The "logic" that you've read about doesn't apply half the time in this fucked up language
He's talking about grammar, and it always applies.
>kanji
Imagine getting filtered by letters.>>9686550
ngmi
>>9686547
>You think 神 and 紙 are pronounced the same
I always cringe when I hear Americans speak Japanese
>Wahtah-she wah ameRRRikuh jean day-soo

[Anonymous No.9687010]

>>9686995
> You just said that exists in German too. The difference between polite and casual speech in Japanese can be memorized in 15 minutes
German is basically one single conjugation and a pronoun

[Anonymous No.9687015]

>>9686993
That's not conceding. Languages are easy to learn. Literally every language. It's so easy that babies do it. The way you study is just by watching TV, reading, playing games, interacting with people, listening to music, etc. If entertainment and consuming media is "difficult" for you then idk what to tell you.

[Anonymous No.9687018]

>>9687010
Mein hintern ist gross
That's all the German I remember. Unironically learning Japanese was easier.

[Anonymous No.9687025]

>>9686995
>You just said that exists in German too. The difference between polite and casual speech in Japanese can be memorized in 15 minutes
In German politeness is marked with just the pronouns, whereas in Japanese you essentially speak a different language to each person. What a rigid culture; for the freeborn Anglo-Saxons, respect is assumed and the content of your dialectic is what really matters.

[Anonymous No.9687026]

Meh. With inflation, if you’re selling a game, you’re essentially just getting your money back at best.

[Anonymous No.9687029]

>>9687015
Babies immerse themselves in it for years on end and still say shit like “it hurted” after six years

[Anonymous No.9687032]

>>9687025
>in Japanese you essentially speak a different language to each person
All you do in Japanese is changing the ending to the sentence, and there are a handful of words which are reaced by polite versions. And sometimes you add お or ご depending on if the word is Chinese or Japanese in origin. Like I said, it takes 15 minutes to learn.

[Anonymous No.9687036]

>>9687029
Ok? Adults can immerse themselves too. I was conversational after just a few months and fluent within 2 years. Maybe you're just retarded.

[Anonymous No.9687039]

>>9687015
You admitted to my position being true I dunno how thats not a concession

[Anonymous No.9687042]

>>9687036
Doubt.jpg
If you were, that’s highly irregular and good for you.

[Anonymous No.9687053]

>>9687032
You’re being fucking disingenuous and I know just barely enough Japanese to know

“You just change the end if a sentence” yeah because the verb goes on the end because every conjugation changes for every verb.

[Anonymous No.9687121]

>>9687042
It's not irregular at all. Learning a language isn't hard unless you're a retard who gets caught up in paying for scams like apps.
>>9687053
YOU CHANGE THE GRAMMATICAL ENDING YOU DUNCE. Shit like だ into です or する into します or use endings like ございます or おります. What the fuck is wrong with you. There's only a handful of verbs that change. Generalized unpolite shit like やる. You don't know Japanese at all and you have the nerve to tell me that I'm somehow being disingenuous when I literally just explained the basics of it to you??? Holy fuck!

[Anonymous No.9687156]

>>9687121
who cares, English doesn't have this surgical bullshit and has EQ in its place

[Anonymous No.9687168]

>>9687121
Yeah, which means you have to learn TWO CONJUGATIONS FOR EVERY SITUATION in a language that already has many more than English

“just put masu at the end haha” -disingenuous retard, 2023

You know there are other forms besides present tense.

[Anonymous No.9687174]

>>9687168
>You know there are other forms besides present tense
English has tenses too, retard.

[Anonymous No.9687176]

>>9686995
>>Kanji
You learn them while reading. If you used literally any other method than you bought into a scam.
Love how your response to this one has literally nothing to do with how difficult it is because even you’re not going to pretend that a language with 2,000+ characters is normal

[Anonymous No.9687180]

>>9687174
I’m gonna give you the benefit if the doubt and assume you’re just tired and aren’t horrendous at reading comprehension

[Anonymous No.9687193]

>>9687176
Learning kanji isn't remotely difficult at All. Just learn vocab and you will automatically learn the kanji contained in each vocab as a result of that. That's exactly what I did; I didn't study kanji at all. I know all of the 常用漢字 plus several hundred non-常用 kanji that are used all the time simply as a result of reading and looking up unknown words. Studying kanji in isolation is just a scam and even natives don't do it.

>>9687180
You're the one arguing over tenses.

[Anonymous No.9687196]

>>9687174
The English past tense is always past tense; you don't need to find another way to say "I ate some cabbage" based on the fucking gender and occupation of whom you're addressing

[Anonymous No.9687198]

>>9687193
>You're the one arguing over tenses
Anon, tenses are a part of verbs, but not all verb conjugation deals with tenses.

[Anonymous No.9687206]

hey language nerds fuck off

[Anonymous No.9687210]

>>9684440
>zoomers are so obsessed with shouting "ship of theseus" every chance they get
Do they? I haven't heard it yet.

[Anonymous No.9687212]

>>9687196
>you don't need to find another way to say "I ate some cabbage" based on the fucking gender and occupation of whom you're addressing
キャベツを食べた
Mind pointing out how this is somehow complex?

>>9687198
English changes the entire word and has no clear rules because they're always broken, Japanese just changes the ending and all verbs follow the rules but are split into 3 types depending on the last character used in their plain form. English requires memorizing entire new words while Japanese just requires memorizing a single rule. It's not rocket science.

[Anonymous No.9687225]

>>9687193
Who the fuck is talking about learning kanji in isolation you retard?

[Anonymous No.9687227]

>>9687212
>Mind pointing out how this is somehow complex?
Because I don't know what that says
>English changes the entire word and has no clear rules because they're always broken
You either have strong verbs or weak verbs, the majority of which being weak verbs (past tense is formed with a single suffix). But the past forms of strong verbs are so intuitively predictable due to following the Germanic umlaut that people often create irregular past tenses for weak verbs (ie dove and clomb, and I've even heard people come up with non-existent past participle forms) because it's satisfying.

That is all irrelevant anyway, because "ate" is always "ate" no matter whom you're speaking to, same with "dropped", "fucked", etc. We're not talking about tense, we're talking about how every conversation in Japanese is a rigid, artificial premeditation.

[Anonymous No.9687234]

>>9687212
Not him but the other guy
>食べた
>食べました
Oh look its double the conjugations which is exactly what I was saying

[Anonymous No.9687235]

>>9687212
>Japanese just
I don't give a fuck whether you're a higher-ranking female who is nevertheless younger than me, whom I've been acquainted with for several years—that should have no bearing on conceptualising my sentence.

[Anonymous No.9687249]

>>9686995
This guy is dumb but he's right that counters are mostly a meme, you only really use a few and can just blindly default to one or two if you're a gaijin.

>Pitch accent is acquired naturally
That doesn't work the way you think it does

[Anonymous No.9687252]

>Japanese is easy hurr durr

[Anonymous No.9687263]

>>9687212
You’re also wrong about English being all new words. Potential form in English is just using “could” all across the board with “can” for present tense. For negative, we add “not”. Every time.

Meanwhile Japanese has a set of rules that create fucked up frankenstein words like turning taberu into shit like taberarerimasendeshita and vary depending on politeness and what syllable the root ends in

[Anonymous No.9687267]

>>9687225
Literally anyone who complains that learning kanji is difficult.
>>9687227
>Because I don't know what that says
"I ate cabbage"
If you can't read キャベツを食べた then you're not qualified to discuss anything regarding this language. I will not read the rest of your comment.
>>9687234
Ok I see what you're saying now. But it's not as if that was hard for you to learn.

English actually has a polite and casual form also, but the British decided to be polite all the time so now we just use the polite form. But words like "thou" are the casual form.
>>9687249
>That doesn't work the way you think it does
Your mind has been polluted by Zoomer YouTubers like Matt and Dogen.
>>9687252
That literally means nothing. The JLPT is a meme and doesn't even measure fluency in the language.

[Anonymous No.9687271]

>>9687263
I just realized I fucked that up but you see my point still if I hadn’t picked a ru verb

[Anonymous No.9687273]

>>9687267
Conceptualising what Japanese is does not require an ability to read the language. Read the rest of my comment.

[Anonymous No.9687275]

>>9687263
>You’re also wrong about English being all new words
Eat, ate. Run, ran. Drink, drank, drunk.
>Potential form in English is just using “could” all across the board with “can” for present tense. For negative, we add “not”. Every time.
That's about as difficult as potential and negative from are in Japanese so I'm not sure what your argument is here.
>Meanwhile Japanese has a set of rules that create fucked up frankenstein words like turning taberu into shit like taberarerimasendeshita and vary depending on politeness and what syllable the root ends in
食べられなかった is no more complex than "could not eat". It's basically the same rules, you're just freaking out either because there's no spaces (but there doesn't need to be) or because you haven't clearly memorized the rule (most likely due to a shitty textbook teaching it poorly)

[Anonymous No.9687278]

>>9687275
Those aren't different words, those are vowel changes that consistently follow Germanic umlaut and are thus predictable.

[Anonymous No.9687279]

>>9687273
You can't even read hiragana and katakana. You don't understand anything about how grammar works. You don't know anything at all about this language. Therefore, talking with you about the language is literally pointless. At least the other anon can actually read some basic Japanese and understands basic conjugations enough to actually discuss it. While he's misguided due to the way in which grammar is often improperly taught to L2 speakers, his arguments are at least worth listening to because he knows a little of what he's talking about. Discussing it with you is like discussing domestic politics with someone who lives in a remote jungle.

[Anonymous No.9687281]

>>9687279
>what is an abstract conclusion
Hah. I've never been to France, so I guess I'm not qualified to conclude whether the sky is blue there?

[Anonymous No.9687282]

>>9687267
>Literally anyone who complains that learning kanji is difficult.
Yeah no one was talking about memorizing individual kanji but you, dumbass.

Kanji make it more difficult to learn vocab. You can’t sound things out. You have zero clue how to read a new word you see or write a new word to hear. You have to be able to tell shit like 鳥 and 烏 apart on the fly.
>O-oh but English has shit like O and 0 or I(i) and l(L)
Yeah except Japanese has ONE HUNDRED TIMES AS MANY CHARACTERS TO FUCKING DEAL WITH and the vast majority of them are vastly more visually complicated.
And why are we comparing it to learning English when the discussion was about learning the language as a native English speaker? Guess what, when you learn German you only have one new character to learn, and it’s always pronounced the same. And I guess you gotta learn about umlauts. That’s it.

Also—if you really never have done any individual kanji study at all, I would hate to see your dogshit handwriting.

[Anonymous No.9687291]

>>9687275
>You’re also wrong about English being all new words
>Eat, ate. Run, ran. Drink, drank, drunk.
Anin, do you know what the word “all” means? Is English also a second language for you?

>食べられなかった is no more complex than "could not eat"
Yeah, in a VACCUM. But that’s not what I’m talking about. To learn potential form in English, you literally learn one (1) word. To learn potential form in Japanese, you have to learn ten (10) casual conjugations (, ten (10) polite conjugations, and two weird outliers for a total of 22 possibilities

1 versus 22. I wonder which is more complicated?

[Anonymous No.9687294]

>>9687282
Forget it dude you're arguing with somebody who can't handle abstract ideas. He says I'm not allowed to make self-evidently true conclusions based on abstractions like "Japanese does x given y" because I don't know the material words themselves.

[Anonymous No.9687297]

People learned just before crypto explosion and the NFT shitstorm that nerd losers with a little bit of money and intelligence are a vastly less competitive market to scam than retirees and boomers, and only need to create the illusion of speculative value to do so. You need a few million dollars minimum to capture a niche and some marketing savvy to control it, but once you have it, the idiots you conned into buying it will do most of the work for you.

This is why niche fields of retro gaming are exploding - the actual core is too expensive to buy, but some fuckos bought up hundreds of games that had few copies and low prices so they could create artificial scarcity, bought into a grading company to artificially inflate the valuations, and then sold enough to themselves to kickstart the market. It's working a bit, but they have the capital to keep it up long enough to drive the concept. Since these aren't loved games or anything there's no actual nostalgia market so they have to rely on self-proclaimed speculators.

This also spikes value of retro games with real demand, because speculators who are drawn to retro games and aren't on mount stupid of the Dunning-Kruger graph realise there's no actual demand and so slide over to competitive retro spaces, which adds more money and increases prices generally.

[Anonymous No.9687302]

>>9687281
I've never been to France and I wouldn't dare discuss whatever I THINK it's like there, nor would I discuss the rules of how their language works since I know nothing about it.
>>9687282
>Yeah no one was talking about memorizing individual kanji but you, dumbass.
Fair enough. So how did you go about learning kanji since you seem to think it's so hard.
>Kanji make it more difficult to learn vocab
Maybe in 1970, but not in 2023. Just read ebooks ad save paper books for once you've gotten a grasp on kanji. Any time you can't read a word you can pull up a dictionary in a single tap and then make a flash card with a second tap.
>You can’t sound things out
You can if you know the kanji but not the word. Your statement only applies to words that contain completely new kanji, which is only a minority of vocab you will learn. You will need to know 10s-of-thousands of vocab to be fluent, but only a few thousand kanji. The vast majority of those words are recycling kanji or are compound words, so you can absolutely sound out the vast majority of vocab.
>You have zero clue how to read a new word you see or write a new word to hear
Again, read digital books. Once you've read a few you'll know most of the common kanji.
>You have to be able to tell shit like 鳥 and 烏 apart on the fly.
It sounds harder than it is. In reality you'll find kanji like 曰 and 日 in completely different words so it's obvious which one is which, in case your blind.
>Yeah except Japanese has ONE HUNDRED TIMES AS MANY CHARACTERS TO FUCKING DEAL WITH and the vast majority of them are vastly more visually complicated.
k.
>why are we comparing it to learning English when the discussion was about learning the language as a native English speaker?
I have no idea. I think the other guy started it.
>if you really never have done any individual kanji study at all, I would hate to see your dogshit handwriting
My English handwriting is dog shit too. Also, kanji follow stroke order patterns.

[Anonymous No.9687306]

>>9687302
I don't know French either, but if I pointed out French has grammatical gender, would you immediately rage at me,
>YOU DON'T SPEAK FRENCH! YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT IT! HOW WOULD YOU KNOW FRENCH HAS GRAMMATICAL GENDER!?

[Anonymous No.9687313]

>>9687302
>In reality you'll find kanji like 曰 and 日 in completely different words so it's obvious which one is which
I’m aware, which is why I picked 鳥 and 烏 for my example

>Also, kanji follow stroke order patterns.
Correct, which is why not studying them would lead to bad handwriting

[Anonymous No.9687317]

>>9687302
Also you keep talking about things that make it easier, but you realize that learning German still doesn’t have these problems at all, right?

[Anonymous No.9687328]

>>9687306
I don't know anything about french, but I'm fluent in Japanese so I know your takes about Japanese are legitimately retard level.
>>9687313
You could learn all of the stroke order in an afternoon if you care about handwriting, but that's not the same as studying kanji. I actually did study stroke order for my job.
>>9687317
Idk but I failed at German.

[Anonymous No.9687334]

Wrote this for >>9687302 but now that you've replied with yet more hesitance, the following will be even more moving:
>>9687328
You have not disproven the abstractions. If anything, you cannot even be an authority on fucking ENGLISH let alone Japanese since you have shown a complete inability to conceptualise the features of English. You keep bringing up umlaut as if it's arbitrary, even though it's been pointed out numerous times to you how systematic it is.
That you bring up tense at all is laughable since it shows you have disregarded that
we were discussing Japanese's transformative and intrusive system of formality (confusing them suggests you understand neither) instead brought up the irrelevant – and funnily enough, consistent regardless of context – temporality markers in English.

[Anonymous No.9687341]

>>9687294
>because I don't know the material words themselves
You couldn't read キャベツ which is a literal English word rendered in Japanese characters, or 食べる which is one of the first 10 words that any beginner learns.

[Anonymous No.9687343]

>>9687341
Literally proving my point

[Anonymous No.9687346]

>>9685023
I don't actually remember a time when shit like super metroid and conkers bad fur day didn't go for less than 60-80 bucks, and I've been collecting since 2012 or so

[Anonymous No.9687351]

>>9687297
This kills the coomlector.

But they'll just call you poor anyway. Once the bubble bursts they're left with a huge amount of plastic which anyone with half a brain would emulate anyway. Kind of like the fidget spinner hype but in slo-mo.

[Anonymous No.9687352]

>>9687334
>you have shown a complete inability to conceptualise the features of English
Considering that I'm a native English speaker, that says a lot about how English grammar rules are literally retarded - which is exactly what I said in my original argument on the matter.
>You keep bringing up umlaut
I haven't brought up umlaut at all. I don't even know what it is.
>That you bring up tense at all is laughable
You're the one who brought up tenses, when you cried that they were hard and I told you they aren't.
>temporality markers
Speak English.

[Anonymous No.9687357]

>>9686281

[Anonymous No.9687374]

>>9687352
>that says a lot about how English grammar rules are literally retarded
No, it says a lot about how YOU are retarded CUNT. I DON'T HAVE ANY FUCKING ISSUES DESCRIBING THE NATURE OF MY INTENTIONS BECAUSE I'M NOT AN APHANTASIAC MUTT
>You're the one who brought up tenses
I didn't motherfucker, this Anon (>>9687168) said Japanese is bloated with conjugations, to which you pointed out English has tenses (>>9687174) as if that's a profound statement or even the extent of English verb conjugation.
>I haven't brought up umlaut at all. I don't even know what it is.
You may not have used the word "umlaut", but you nevertheless described the concept. HEY, FUNNY THAT YOU STUPID CUNT, ISN'T IT GREAT THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN TO COMPREHEND ABSTRACT CONCEPTS WITHOUT KNOWING THE PARTICULAR FUCKING WORDS? HMMMMMMMMM, WHERE ELSE IN THIS THREAD COULD WE APPLY THIS LOGIC?
You conceptualised umlaut when you repeatedly bemoaned the past tense of words like "speak" being "spoke" instead of "speaked", despite umlaut being systematic and therefore predictable; hence, many people even come up with nonexistent irregular past tenses like "snuck" and "clomb" because it's what they innately expect as an Anglo-Saxon.
>Speak English
Your dialectical brutalism is the heat death of of your own brain. Do you know what "time" is? If I'm talking about how you brought up tense (which marks the time in which the verb takes place), and I reaffirm that you brought up "temporality markers", anybody who isn't a fuckwit would automatically put two and two together. HMMMM HE SAID I BROUGHT UP TEMPORALITY MARKERS, WHAT HAVE I SAID THAT COULD POSSIBLY FIT THE BILL? NO I'M NOT GOING TO THINK ABOUT THAT

[Anonymous No.9687404]

>>9687374
I literally quoted where he brought up tenses. You are actually retarded.
>being systematic and therefore predictable
Like the entirety of Japanese grammar, which you keep freaking out about.

[Anonymous No.9687408]

>>9687404
HE IMPLIED THERE IS A LOT MORE TO VERBAL CONJUGATION YOU FUCKWIT
>Like the entirety of Japanese grammar
Refer to this: >>9687235
Japanese has an extensive list of ubiquitous, intrusive bullshit, which is what was being debated.

First, you count on the stupidity of your adversary, and then, when there is no other way out, you yourself simply play stupid. If all this didn't help, you pretend to not understand, or, if challenged, change the subject in a hurry, quote platitudes which, if one accepts, you immediately relate to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, you give ground and pretend not to know exactly what you were talking about. You have not the slightest recollection of the argument you'd just read, you rattle off your same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affect amazement; you can't remember a thing, except that you had proven the correctness of your assertions somehow. Sometimes in this thread I have stood here thunderstruck. I don't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of your tongue or your virtuosity at lying.

[Anonymous No.9687424]

>>9687408
>Refer to this
So you're just autistic and aren't able to gauge what level of politeness to use. Got it.

[Anonymous No.9687428]

>>9687424
>implying the rigid and surgical language that lexically externalises every emotion and intent isn't the autistic tongue

[Anonymous No.9687435]

>>9687428
>>9687424
In English you can just be yourself. You don't need to put on a bullshit persona to each new person and be a sociopathic chameleon, you just say what you mean and mean what you say and the world will react accordingly in line with its own nature. The actual subtle nuances like your body language, tone, cadence, pitch, et cetera will come out naturally instead of being a premeditated decision like the sociopathy seen in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.9687443]

>>9687435
go eat shit

[Anonymous No.9687448]

>>9687428
It's funny you say that since it's often said that Japanese is vague. I don't think it's vague at all, but it's often said to be.
>>9687435
You're talking about honne and tatemae. That has nothing to do with language, and it exists in English too. If you've ever purposefully not said curse words in front of your parents or old people, or not engaged in talking about sexual escapades at work, then you practiced honne and tatemae.

[Anonymous No.9687458]

>>9687448
Good thing we're not talking about vagueness but intrusive politeness, fuckface.
>or not engaged in talking about sexual escapades at work
An entirely different concept to having to redesign my entire sentence to ultimately tell the same thing just because I'm speaking to a higher-ranking female who is nevertheless younger than me, whom I've been acquainted with for several years.

[Anonymous No.9687470]

>>9687458
Imagine getting filtered by having to be polite.

[Anonymous No.9687473]

>>9687470
So you're just naturally rude in English, are you? Well good for you that Japanese memetically forces you to hide the fact you're an unbearable cunt

[Anonymous No.9687475]

>>9687473
You lack reading comprehension in English. It's no wonder you failed Japanese and are crying about basics like tenses, conjugations, and polite/casual form, potential form.
>memetically forces you to hide the fact you're an unbearable cunt
Japanese has multiple levels of casuality, retard.

[Anonymous No.9687481]

>>9687475
>crying about basics like tenses, conjugations
YOU ARE DOING THAT WITH ENGLISH LOLOLOLOLOLOL
>Japanese has multiple levels of casuality
And English is comparatively lacking in this department, meaning that having a soul and reading the room is essential to carrying a conversation; not so in Japanese where you can simply flip a switch.

[Anonymous No.9687486]

it's $0 if you download the rom

[Anonymous No.9687489]

>>9687481
>YOU ARE DOING THAT WITH ENGLISH LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Quote me, faggot
>English is comparatively lacking in this department
English has a casual form, it's just not used in the modern day.
>having a soul and reading the room is essential to carrying a conversation; not so in Japanese where you can simply flip a switch
"Reading the air" is essential to navigating social interactions in Japan, and everywhere else unless you have autism in which case you're 空気読めない

[Anonymous No.9687490]

Why does any mention of the Japanese language turn into this? Autism is the worst thing on the planet

[Anonymous No.9687492]

>>9687489
>it's just not used in the modern day
Holy shit. Guess I can say English has letters like þ, ð, ƿ, and æ, but are just not used in the modern day.

[Anonymous No.9687509]

>>9687492
I was referring to words like "thou" which is the casual form of "you". As I said, English has a casual form it's just not used. But if you go read Shakespeare or the bible you'll see it used everywhere.
>>9687490
Because dekinai's are easily upset and feel the need to lash out when someone says it's not hard, just like poorfags do when someone mentions spending money on games.

[Anonymous No.9687515]

>>9687509
Are you also using centuries-old literature to make statements about modern Japanese?

[Anonymous No.9687526]

>>9683898
Paypigs will be paypigs. If you're so attached to a label and aging plastic when flash carts exist when you deserve to be preyed on.

[Anonymous No.9687541]

>>9687515
Shakespeare and King James bible are both modern English. Modern English is anything from the 15th century until present.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_English

[Anonymous No.9687548]

>>9687541
Nobody speaks Early Modern English

[Anonymous No.9687554]

>>9687548
I never said that they do.

[Anonymous No.9687556]

>>9683981
Tell that to the janny!

[Anonymous No.9687558]

>>9687554
Proving me right again: >>9687408

[Anonymous No.9687563]

>>9687558
Quote where I said that they do.

[Anonymous No.9687579]

>>9687563
>brings up centuries-deprecated speech as if it's a spirit bomb of a rebuttal
>starts being a fucking trickster when I point out how irrelevant it is
hmm
>First, you count on the stupidity of your adversary, and then, when there is no other way out, you yourself simply play stupid. If all this didn't help, you pretend to not understand, or, if challenged, change the subject in a hurry, quote platitudes which, if one accepts, you immediately relate to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, you give ground and pretend not to know exactly what you were talking about. You have not the slightest recollection of the argument you'd just read, you rattle off your same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affect amazement; you can't remember a thing, except that you had proven the correctness of your assertions somehow.

[Anonymous No.9687584]

>>9687556

[Anonymous No.9687616]

>>9687579
You keep avoiding it.

[Anonymous No.9687629]

>>9687556
lol

[Anonymous No.9687638]

>>9683898
>Boring ass turn-based RPG
>Cost insane amounts of money.
>Some old like capeshit game,wacky sports or racer game that's fun for what it is.
>Cost barely anything.
Why are lot of shit games worth so much?

[Anonymous No.9687775]

>>9687638
Because retards keep buying

[Anonymous No.9688052]

>>9687328
>You could learn all of the stroke order in an afternoon
No you fucking could not memorize combinations of 1 to 20+ strokes for over 2,000 characters (on too of proper placement of those strokes) in “an afternoon”

>if you care about handwriting, but that's not the same as studying kanji.
Yes, it is, the kanji are what you would be studying

[Anonymous No.9688118]

>>9687267
I'm not a zoomers for starters.
Secondly, if you think everyone can simply "pick up" pitch by ear, I'd like to introduce you to the hordes of Gaijin I've met who still struggle to pronounce bridge and chopsticks correctly.

[Anonymous No.9688252]

>>9686713
Gottem

[Anonymous No.9688284]

>>9683898
>$100
i spent more on sushi for the girls honestly
also saves time for the new battery install that i no longer have to do myself
time is money when you get older, you'll understand.

[Anonymous No.9688314]

>>9684072
trust the science

[Anonymous No.9688408]

>>9687036
>and fluent within 2 years.
Holy mother of crock of bullshit, Batman.

[Anonymous No.9688452]

>>9687351
Depends who it is. NuCoomlectors looking to "invest" and ride the eCeleb hype train probably will regret it, but your comment is ignoring many of those who are the ones who hate these prices the most, those collecting when it was trash and no one but them wanted it. I think most of that type would be happy for a bubble burst, a severe drop in value and a mass exodus of fags from it. A great filtering to see who actually gave a shit before it became trendy. I read a good suggestion on this board before that everyone tired of this shit should start promoting the ideals that retro gaming is somehow racist and/or sexist and try to get that mentality out there.

[Anonymous No.9688495]

>>9684072
Dumb argument. There are around that many copies out there, but many are currently owned and not for sale, damaged or destroyed, or otherwise unaccounted for. As more people join the market and try to buy copies, available supply dwindles further, driving prices up
This is basic economics

[Anonymous No.9688507]

>>9683898
They're overpriced. Some games at a local store are still there after months or years and nobody bought them.

[Anonymous No.9688694]

If you spend more on a game than a flashcart costs you're just plan retarded.

[Anonymous No.9688815]

>>9688694
>If you buy a game that a flash cart doesn't support you're just plain retarded
This. It's better to just not play a game than use original hardware.

[Anonymous No.9688848]

>>9688815
Fetus oppion.

[Anonymous No.9688851]

>>9688694
yeah but you can sell them for more
it's like a pyramid skeem

[Anonymous No.9688928]

>>9687196
I was eating cabbage
I used to eat cabbage
Sometimes I ate cabbage
I will have been eating cabage

[Anonymous No.9688935]

>>9687291
In English you have to arrange a bunch of accessory words around the main words to get the same meaning. It's the same shit just organized differently.

[Anonymous No.9688968]

>>9688935
No, I am talking about one situation that takes one word in English and needs 22 potential conjugations in Japanese

I am not talking about past potential, potential negative, future potential etc etc, that’s all outside what I was discussing.

The achieve the same meaning, English uses one word where Japanese uses 22 conjugations.

Obviously that is not true of all things. But my point was that the previous discussion was cherrypicking a situation where English was more convoluted. But when in comes to potential form, Japanese os much, MUCH more convoluted.

[Anonymous No.9689019]

I realized the anons who seethe at emulator fags are probably 80% collectorniggers and are upset people aren't paying $200+ for a 24 year old game

[Anonymous No.9689035]

>>9687008
>Imagine getting filtered by letters
Yeah 2k+ letters that each have multiple readings and seem to flipflop randomly from one reading to another with no real pattern to it. Compare that to English. Obviously English is harder because um.... did you notice that knife starts with a K? That's hard right??

[Anonymous No.9689069]

>>9687193
Chicken and egg situation, knowing kanji before reading will make reading way easier (sometimes you'll be able to understand a word you've never heard or seen before just by combining kanji meanings that make it up) but having a lot of experience with reading will make learning kanji way easier. No matter which end of this shit sandwich you start with you have to eat the whole thing in the end.
>Studying kanji in isolation is just a scam and even natives don't do it.
I guess those natives don't know how to write then do they. You can stumble your way through reading without learning individual kanji, but I don't see how you can learn to write them without, well, learning to write them.

[Anonymous No.9689075]

>>9683952
You can see the arbitrage clearly from a bunch of fucks after COVID started if you check any price chart. Long live flashcarts and fuck parasites

[Anonymous No.9689106]

>>9688052
>No you fucking could not memorize combinations of 1 to 20+ strokes for over 2,000 characters (on too of proper placement of those strokes) in “an afternoon”
There you go again, making statements about things that you don't have even the slightest clue about.

Kanji are made up of building blocks called "radicals". Radicals have their own stroke order, and it is this order which determines the stroke order of every single kanji. There are 51 key radicals which make up all of the kanji, and those radicals can be memorized in an afternoon.

There are just 6 radicals which make up 25% of the 2136 常用漢字.

There are 14 radicals that (together with the previous 6) make up 50% of the 常用漢字.

And there are thirty one radicals that (with the 20 mentioned above) make up 75% of all 常用漢字.

If you memorize those 51 radicals in an afternoon, then you can handwrite 75% of all of the kanji that would be used in day to day life, and the rest can just be rendered out in hiragana/katakana - which is exactly what natives do.

There are a total of around 200 total radicals, and some of them are quite obscure.

It doesn't matter what kanji it is. Even if you have never seen it before, if you know the radicals that it uses, then you know how to write it with proper stroke order. Kanji are a neat and orderly system that follow a logical design, they're not random scribbles meant to induce stress. That's why they're easy to learn.

>Yes, it is, the kanji are what you would be studying
No, it would be studying radicals.

>>9688118
>I'd like to introduce you to the hordes of Gaijin I've met who still struggle to pronounce bridge and chopsticks correctly
Those people can't even form a coherent sentence; of course they can't pronounce anything, they haven't actually invested much time into learning the language.

>>9688408
2 years to fluency is incredibly normal unless you're a retard who doesn't understand how to learn a language.

>>9689035
ngmi

[Anonymous No.9689110]

>>9689069
>Chicken and egg situation
Not at all. You start with low level learning material that contains simple sentences and a lot number of easy kanji. You look up unknown words while you read, and learn them. After you finish, you read something slightly more difficult. You repeat this process until you can read normal content. Doesn't take very long.

>>9689035
It absolutely follows a pattern. On the other hand, English has no solid rules regarding pronunciation because all of the rules are broken all of the time, so even native speakers often mispronounce words that they learned in books.

[Anonymous No.9689119]

>>9684073
>pair of AAs
>game boy
Nigga you're either way too old or way too young to be here

[Anonymous No.9689125]

>>9689119
I was just lucky enough to grow up with the best game boy

[Anonymous No.9689128]

Makes me glad I sold my collection and bought a mister

[Anonymous No.9689140]

>>9689128
>owned almost every mainstream and (what would have been considered 10 years ago to be a) hidden gem on gameboy and snes
>traded all of them, plus the systems, to game xchange in 2000 for about $150 in store credit that I spent on an aftermarket camo ps1 controller and copy of sarge's heroes and soul reaver
I could've literally gotten a solid 100x more for all that shit at today's prices. Still kinda bummed about it, never got rid of anything after that but I doubt Wii and newer Tendy shit will ever be worth nearly as much as 8-16 bit Tendy

[Anonymous No.9689156]

>>9689140
>neighbor kid sold me his NES toploader with 25 games (some in box) for my copy of new super Mario bros DS
>recently sold a few games for 300 bucks

[Anonymous No.9689159]

>>9683898
Disgusting. And look at the label on that Tennis next to it.
>not going back in time to buy games on clearance

[Anonymous No.9689180]

>>9684431
Not for some Mega Drive games.

[Anonymous No.9689256]

>>9689106
>2 years to fluency is incredibly normal unless you're a retard who doesn't understand how to learn a language
It absolutely isn’t. If you’re a savant, good for you. Maybe if you dedicated all your time to it.

I’m baffled because you seem to know a lot but you also don’t seem to have had formal training. I’d guess you’re quite a but more fluent than me but I’m gonna defer to what a native speaker tells me

If I had to guess, you really are some kind of self-taught autistic savant.

>Blah blah blah radicals
I know what radicals are but they are not consistently applied the same way across kanji, you can’t just ctrl+c ctrl+v a radical from one to the next, assuming you even have the correct radical in mind. You are not going to learn stroke order for the entire language in an afternoon, even native speakers frequently have imperfect stroke order, fuck off.

>You’d be studying the radicals
And how to apply them to the kanji. You’d be studying kanji.

[Anonymous No.9689260]

>>9689110
Japanese native speakers have this same issue though. I know you know there are more than just one Kun-yomi and one On-yomi reading for many, many kanji. And we’re not even talking about nouns that are isolated kanji or words with identical spellings but different readings. I mean even language has homographs but you seem to be implying Japanese doesn’t.

[Anonymous No.9689269]

>>9689256
>It absolutely isn’t. If you’re a savant, good for you. Maybe if you dedicated all your time to it.
It absolutely is. They operate these language schools here where foreigners come to study Japanese and they get them all of the fluency in two years and that's through the slow method with busy work like cramming. It is absolutely the norm.

>If I had to guess, you really are some kind of self-taught autistic savant.
Self taught, but that just means that I read books and talked with people on my own instead of forking over thousands of dollars to make someone talk to me and put books in front of me. It's probably harder to do self study if you're autistic because language learning requires social interaction.

>I know what radicals are but they are not consistently applied the same way across kanji
They literally are. The stroke order for each radical is always the same and will never, ever, ever change.
>You are not going to learn stroke order for the entire language in an afternoon
I learned all 51 of the main ones in an afternoon because I had to use handwriting at work and mine wasn't legible. I don't know why you're even freaking out about this, the 51 key radicals are all extremely basic shit like 一 and 心
>even native speakers frequently have imperfect stroke order
Cool. English letters have stroke order too, and native speakers often fuck it up which leads to poor handwriting. As it turns out, people don't always perfectly remember shit that they learned when they were 7.
>And how to apply them to the kanji
Anon, each radical applies the same way to every single kanji. Why are you even coping about this?

[Anonymous No.9689329]

>>9684431
You can also emulate for free!

[Anonymous No.9689478]

>>9688928
notice how none of that hinges on whom you're addressing, whereas in Japanese...

[Anonymous No.9689523]

>>9689478
>I was eating cabbage
>キャベツを食べていた。
>I used to eat cabbage
>以前はキャベツを食べていた。
>Sometimes I ate cabbage
>時々、キャベツを食べていた。
>I will have been eating cabbage
>キャベツを食べていたことになる。

>notice how none of that hinges on whom you're addressing, whereas in Japanese...
Where does Japanese do that?

[Anonymous No.9689965]

>>9689119
>what is gameboy pocket
superior to the DMG in every way

[Anonymous No.9689973]

>>9689965
Wrong again, GBP takes AAAs.

[Anonymous No.9689975]

>>9689973
Even better

[Anonymous No.9690040]

>>9689110
>Not at all. You start with low level learning material that contains simple sentences and a lot number of easy kanji. You look up unknown words while you read, and learn them. After you finish, you read something slightly more difficult. You repeat this process until you can read normal content. Doesn't take very long.
That's the newbie approach that works really well at the start when you're learning simple words that are repeated a lot. You read them over and over again and burn them into your memory. I'm not sure how you can learn complex words made up of 5 flipping kanji with that approach. If you know the kanji you just read that word, it may be the first time you see it written down but reading it may ring a bell, and if it doesn't, the meaning of individual kanji will still give you a huge hint as to what the word means, and if that doesn't do it (and it does 90% of the time) at least you now have a reading that you can easily punch into a dictionary. If you don't know the reading or the meaning of individual kanji then I guess you're learning all of those words with their often rare elaborate kanjis individually and that doesn't seem like a simple task to me. This mainly applies to scientific/political/military terminology and stuff like that.
It only seems like learning words is easier until you get to the point where you realize there's a lot more words than kanji and learning kanji is actually a shortcut to learning words, not the other way around.

[Anonymous No.9690478]

>>9686085
Are you that desperate for cash though? Why not hold onto the games even longer since the prices just keep going up. I have a huge shelf full of expensive games, but I just emulate everything anyway.

[Anonymous No.9690485]

>>9685898
No, but games like 3D Dot Game Heroes and some Limited Run games are already getting up there in price.

[Anonymous No.9690550]

>>9687346
bought conker for 20€ cib around 2007~. something like super metroid used to be 40€ cib (big box) and less for the us cib version (20€). € was 1.5$ back then afaik so it always made sense to import these games as an eu cuck. it was a different time.

[Anonymous No.9690575]

>>9687490
Is knowing Japanese some kind of flex? I don't get it. Language learning isn't hard, just time commitment, actually pure time commitment, you don't even need to be born talented and it's easier now than ever.

[Anonymous No.9690805]

>>9689019
I dont think collectors give a shit if people emulate, they just get tired of them always bringing it up when they dont care.

[Anonymous No.9690842]

>>9690805
Between faggots insisting emulation hasn't progressed since Project64 or ZNES, faggots proclaiming "you didn't beat the game", faggots claiming 1ms of input lag makes a game unplayable which is mathematically absurd given frames stay on screen for 16.67-33.33ms, and faggot scalpers with an obvious incentive to downplay emulation, yeah collectors are perpetually seething.

[Anonymous No.9691473]

>>9690040
>It only seems like learning words is easier until you get to the point where you realize there's a lot more words than kanji
I'm already fluent

[Anonymous No.9691479]

>>9690842
No it's just annoying that any time someone makes even the slightest mention about collecting or having a collection 20 anons show up to seethe ad freak out about it. We get it, you're poor. But being poor isn't an excuse to be fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.9691540]

>>9690842
Why would you even emulate stupid shit like snes? The while emulation > original hardware falls apart when it comes to complex and arcade hardware. And even beyond that, emulation fails hard to replicate a number of audio chips. All the mega drive emulators sound like tinny crap.

[Anonymous No.9691545]

>>9691540
*whole

[Anonymous No.9691589]

>>9691479
It's always the other way around. People who wasted hundreds of dollars on a single cartridge seethe at those who play it for free. Even mentioning flashcarts makes people like you seethe despite playing on original hardware.

[Anonymous No.9691601]

>>9691589
It really doesn't. If emulation was some arcane art that required a deep understanding of thermal dynamics and and dissecting the human genome, sure, someone would be jelly at the person taunting them with this knowledge. Its like telling a stamp collector they can just look up pictures of them online and the collector suddenly having a major realization of that and just completely stopping doing what they like to do. I cant speak for all spergs who may get uppity when its brought up, but i imagine most collectors are tired of hearing it in the same way as someone bragging about water being wet. Yea, no shit.

[Anonymous No.9691614]

>>9691589
>It's always the other way around. People who wasted hundreds of dollars on a single cartridge seethe at those who play it for free
Not at all. See for yourself. Make a collecting thread and poorfags will show up in droves and shit up the thread.
>Even mentioning flashcarts makes people like you seethe despite playing on original hardware.
Most collectors own flash carts and also dabble with emulation. You're retarded if you think think otherwise.
I have around 600 games in my collection. But I also have Everdrives for NES, Genesis, GB, GBA, and PCE. I also have a Retroid

[Anonymous No.9692861]

>>9683898
it's even worse in the pc big box collector community. ebay destroyed pc big box collecting. i've all but stopped bc every stupid flea market twit now looks at what the ebay prices are before marking it.

i'm like, "you dumb fuck; that game has a 16-bit installer, copy protection that can't even run on modern OSes, you need 9 fan patches just to make it run on a win7 box (never mind win10/11) nevermind make it run WELL... if i wanted to, i could dl a cracked version and play it within an hour. be thankful i'm even asking for a price at all."

[Anonymous No.9692872]

>>9692861
What big box games are expensive? Because most I see are cheap

[Anonymous No.9692889]

>>9692872
everything beyond a common.
i won't touch sims shit, casual game shit, sports shit, modern adventure shit, racing shit (unless it has a cool hook to it, such as sci-fi)...
ppl will try to sell you mmorpg crap where the servers have shut down ages ago.
they'll try to sell you steam key stuff with no knowledge that, once you used the steam key, you've bricked the game...
i can't tell you how many times people have wanted premium prices JUST FOR THE BOX (and it's a crappy box at that)...

[Anonymous No.9692939]

>>9683898
They do. There's two types who pay this ludicrous prices.
1. Normalfags who aren't into retro gaming at all, but one day they see an old game, get nostalgic, and decide to pay hundreds of bucks for it because "it's old so it must be worth that."
2. Hopelessly addicted collectors who will pay whatever you charge just so they can get their next dopamine hit.

[Anonymous No.9693254]

>>9683898
This is why I support piracy