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Just beat this game for the first time, played on Normal. It was pretty tough but fun. Why do you think it was so popular in the West despite being JP-only?

>> No.9269356

English audio and estimated release date but never came out

>> No.9269358

>>9269352
emulation, it was one of those "hidden gems" originally

>> No.9269359

Wasn't it originally planned to be released in the west? Games like that usually get a bit of a dedicated fanbase.

>> No.9269426

Be sure to try hard mode too, and unlock the frameskip mode

>> No.9269429

>>9269358
Exactly. It was one of the big things you discovered when getting into emulation alongside Rondo of Blood and the like.

>> No.9269493

>Relatively limited selection of "mature" N64 games compared to other consoles made S&P worth paying attention to.
>English voice acting
>Legendary status of other Treasure Games.

And probably the biggest one of all
>Nintendo made a big deal out of its release for the Wii Virtual Console.

>> No.9269513

>>9269426
I'm afraid hard mode will rape me in the ass

>> No.9269529

Also forgot to say that I was using the Gamecube controller and my left hand fucking hurts

>> No.9269575

>>9269352
I bought it back then because of the cover and because it was made by treasure (hated most of their games). Never played more than 10 minutes of it. I cant be the only one.

>> No.9270158

I'm getting my ass handed to me on hard mode. That endless fleet level is bullshit

>> No.9270224
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>>9269352
I got it back then because the preview screenshots were so impressive looking to me. It was very colorful coupled with how much I loved games from Treasure, I got the game before having the system to play it. I think it gained popularity because it was also on the Wii which was pretty popular.

>> No.9270248

>>9270224
i hope everything you own is consumed in a house fire

>> No.9270295

>>9270224
why would anyone get mad over someone playing a video game on the internet

>> No.9270307

>>9270224
Why are we supposed to be triggered?

>> No.9270517

>>9269529
>>9270158
I've played S&P with a gamecube controller and it makes the game actually harder.
As most N64 games that require aiming, it's always best to play it with an original N64 controller, as it was made for the sensibility of its stick. Even if you have a heavily used controller with a loose stick, I can guarantee it still has more precision than a Gamecube, Xbox or PS analog.
Using the c-buttons to mode left and right (and double tapping to dodge) and the Z trigger for the melee attack is also a lot better than using the buttons assigned on the GC controller.
So, yeah, if you're not playing on a real N64, you're already making the game even harder for you.
>>9270224
As for this, I never tried that controller so I dunno about the precission of that stick (it looks like a GC stick though), but for Bangai-O in particular I'd advice using a normal N64 controller, using the left-handed position (d-pad to move, stick to shoot), it's the best way to play it, even the devs themselves recommend that as the best option.

>> No.9270641

>>9270517
>Using the c-buttons to mode left and right (and double tapping to dodge) and the Z trigger for the melee attack is also a lot better than using the buttons assigned on the GC controller.
>So, yeah, if you're not playing on a real N64, you're already making the game even harder for you.
ugh yeah I tried playing it using the Classic Controller Pro on the Wii and it was a pain in the ass
wish they let you remap the controls

>> No.9270758

>>9270224
i first played it on the wii
none of my friends seemed into it

i didnt get into imports until i was an adult - my family was poorfags

>> No.9272487

I did it. I beat it on hard. I died like 10 times on the last boss, thankfully the game basically gives you infinite credits during this fight. I feel like I can 1cc Normal mode now

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>>9270295
I don't know, ask >>9270248 for the reasons. They are fun games that get a lot of hate here.

>>9270307
I was referring to the Z-button feature of the N64.

>>9270517
For the 3 Treasure games on the N64, I use the regular stock controllers. The d-pads on those are very good, and they support the wider grip which is more comfortable.

>>9270758
Yeah, I know the struggle too. Wages not keeping up and having a taste in games that does not align with most others, but what matters is that you enjoy the games.

>> No.9272775

>>9269493
>Nintendo made a big deal out of its release for the Wii Virtual Console.
I never heard of it until it came out on VC, so it worked

>> No.9272885

>>9272760
Is Star Successor good? I'm about to play it. I rarely see people talk about this game but it looks fun as fuck

>> No.9272987

>>9270224
What's that other game behind Sin and Punishment?

>> No.9273035

>>9272885
Loved S&P on VC but the sequel feels like a completely different game and I didn't enjoy it much.

>>9272987
I believe it's Bangai-O

>> No.9274840

>>9273035
not that anon but what about the game behind it?

>> No.9274848

>>9274840
Yukke Yukke Trouble Makers (Mischief Makers)

>> No.9274871

>>9269352
I wasn't there for its release, but I'm sure it had everything to do with it being a game that Treasure made. It was popular enough to make it to the Virtual Console, in any case; that's how I was introduced to it. I love this game to death. I just played it on an actual N64 for the first time the other day.
>>9270641
>ugh yeah I tried playing it using the Classic Controller Pro on the Wii and it was a pain in the ass
Really? I remember it controlling really well. Move with the dpad, aim with the right analog stick, shoot and change targeting with the shoulder buttons.

>> No.9274874

>>9274848
Thanks, I didn't recognize the JP cover.

>> No.9275425

>>9274871
>It was popular enough to make it to the Virtual Console
There were all sorts of obscure games on the Wii VC

>> No.9275575

>>9269352
i just love the art- had to tell boy from girl but cool....

>> No.9276213
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9276213

Still hurts
Especially when the guy went on and ripoff both Assault and S&P afterwards.

>> No.9276223

>>9276213
man... yeah. saki and bomberman being assist trophies sucks

>> No.9276236

>>9276213
Saki, Jill and Issac probably all would have made it in eventually if they didn't start wasting resources and time on 3rd party crap.

>> No.9276256

>>9276213
>ok we cant add Saki, but how about a S&P themed stage where you fight in a city being over run by Ruffian swarms?

>No. PICTOCHAT

>> No.9276281

>>9276236
Not true, all the extra characters they pitch after the Sonic delay were mostly just more vets and replacement characters nobody cares about.
Sakurai didn't really have bright ideas back then.

>> No.9276302

>>9276236
>Saki, Jill and Issac probably all would have made it in eventually if they didn't start wasting resources and time on *Subspace Emissary
FTFY, the entire gane budget went to the drain so they could show a scene of Sakurai's babies doing stuff or Game Freak's furry oc taking the spotlight an shit.

But Snake and Sonic were lane, I'd put in Castlevania and Dragon Quest into Brawl if i had the chance.

>> No.9276346
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>>9276256
>Sakurai: "Uhhh we can't add "Animal Crosser" in Smash! He can't le fight!"
>Sakurai: "So anyways here's our new curveball pick for this game: a literal toy BUT he actually does fighting robot things!" (also the tragic antagonist of SSE because why not?)

>> No.9276613

>>9272760
He's mad because you always post with faggot paper messages and post expensive games when in the past you always complained about being so poor. Just an attention whore, why don't you post like a normal person here?

>> No.9276616

>>9276346
>(also the tragic antagonist of SSE because why not?)
to be fair, I ate this shit up.
>>9276613
you are giving hard times money is tight but here's my thousands of dollars worth of retro games anon exactly what he wants.

>> No.9276621

>>9276616
What?

>> No.9276624

>>9276621
You are giving piece of paper anon (a troll) exactly what he wants (indignant replies)

>> No.9276636

>>9276624
True

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>>9269352
>tfw not on Dreamcast instead of Shitendo 64 so that it'd run at silky smooth 60fps, have CD-quality music and not look like absolute dogshit; also would've sold much better on DC because SegaChads care more about arcade-style games than Nintendildos

Why were Trashure so retarded, /vr/? Why did they betray the company that helped jumpstart them? The world may never know...

>> No.9277637

>>9277607
because the dreamcast's controller wasn't weird enough. the game was made out of a desire to make a game for a left aligned grip of the n64 controller.

>> No.9277645
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>>9277637
Speaking of controllers, S&P on Dreamcast could've used this too, which feels infinitely better than the shitty N64 pad.

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>>9277607
>Trashure
>>9277645
>needing special controller
lol

>> No.9277705

>>9277657
The only controller built for 3 handed people.

>> No.9277771

>>9277607
Because Nintendo will remain rent free in your little brain, osto.

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9278170

>"Fuck, we ran out of ideas for bosses... uh... let's just rip-off Missile Command for the final boss lmao"

And this is supposed to be one of Treasure's better games? Why do people overrate these unoriginal hacks?

>> No.9278171

>>9277645
>le gimmick controller

>> No.9278189
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>> No.9278192

>>9278170
Its mostly about the spectacle of it all.

>> No.9278238

>>9276613
huh???
literally posts the fucking title in the thread topic
paperanon is based

>> No.9278240

>>9278170
You will never land a meme, Australia

>> No.9278328

>>9278170
Still better than fucking MATH

>> No.9278417

>>9277607
I'm pretty sure part of the reason this game even exists is the N64 controller. And it runs at 60 FPS anyway

>> No.9278895

>>9277705
or two handed people that understand it had three control styles

>> No.9278908

>>9277607
>headcanon
(You) tell those cis scum, sweaty!

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>>9278328
>>9278328
Based. Mischief Makers is truly Treasure's shittiest game of all time. Also, Marina is a fucking ugly design and her gameplay gimmicks are cringe.

>> No.9278965

Austroonlia ran out of meds again I see

>> No.9279946

>>9278956
I hate Mischief Makers for different reasons other than your schizophrenic posts.
Don't ever @ me again, im not consorting to your autism.

>> No.9279959

>>9269352
It was released in the west in 2007 on the wii eshop. Being one of the few Japanese exclusive titles on and the wii being a much more popular console than the N64 it easily gained enough popularity to warrant a sequel

>> No.9280073

>>9277657
Still didn't play it like that because it doesn't force you to use the D-pad. You can use the c-buttons just fine.

>> No.9280893

>>9279946
And yet the thing you complained about was math, which is what Auster always brings up with regards to Mischief Makers.

Face it lad, you're just as autistic as he is.

>> No.9280918

>>9280893
If i wanted math, I'd play an RPG, not a action platformer.

>> No.9281319

>>9280073
if you're left handed fine, but I prefer to aim with my right hand, much easier to be accurate, plus dpad is just better for movement than singular buttons

>> No.9281327

>>9280918
I don't know why you'd play an RPG if you wanted math desu.

>> No.9281558

>>9281327
Because i like watching the big numbers roll up, he why i love Disgaea.

>> No.9282001

>>9281558
that's not math, that's autism.

>> No.9282014

>>9276616
I miss subspace emissary so much.

>>9272760
No one cares but Star Succesor's artist did a Blade in XC2

>> No.9282132

>>9282001
Sounds like a (You) problem.