/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.8781982]

Fags are out here playing with $400 not-retro upscalers, and they forget that the VCR exists. Just plug this bad boy into RF and you've got the perfect certified-retro accessory for playing consoles on, that you can also watch and record VHS tapes with. You can even output in S-video if you're bougie.

Is the VCR the best /vr/ accessory of all time? What the fuck are you even doing if it's not the heart of your AV set up? You're not using some upscaler and an HD TV like a democrat, are you?

[Anonymous No.8781990]

>>8781982
a thread died for this


my powered rf modulation box takes rf and outputs s-video or composite i can then take that into an upscaler into a capture card while playing on a crt

[Anonymous No.8781991]

I know it's "muh soul" and all, but VCRs have fucking AWFUL picture quality and were only serviceable at the time until the likes of DVD and Blurays came out.

Please don't @ me because you aren't going to make it into the screencap.

[Anonymous No.8781992]

>>8781991
>Please don't @ me because you aren't going to make it into the screencap.

Get a load of this instagrammer.

[Anonymous No.8781993]

>>8781990
That's the gayest set up I've ever heard of

[Anonymous No.8781995]

>>8781982
my 240hz 1ms 1080p gaming monitor that supports tate due to a rotatable stand only wants hdmi or displayport anon

[Anonymous No.8781998]

>>8781995
https://youtu.be/Zx4dz21_CwE

[Anonymous No.8782002]

>>8781993
you got a better way of getting s-video out of a bally astrocade without (((modding)))?

huh?!?


rf by itself takes way too much Signal interference from Wi-Fi where I live

[Anonymous No.8782005]

Americans really harmed themselves by never having SCART.

[Anonymous No.8782007]

>>8781991
i would argue my rf modulator does a pretty good job

probably better than most vcr
however if you get a high-end sony vhs player you get access to PAL signal conversion as well

[Anonymous No.8782009]

>>8782002
Yes, plug it into the VCR and then output by composite or S-Video you dumb fag. My VCR can even output component.

[Anonymous No.8782040]

>>8781982
lmao what a tard

[Anonymous No.8782051]

>>8782009
rf modulation box was cheaper than a vcr and is smaller like 1/3 the size

i have a vcr dvd combo player already but dont use it for gaming

[Anonymous No.8782092]

>>8782051
>rf modulation box was cheaper than a vcr
>already owns the vcr
>still thinks he got a better deal
Based retard.
>but dont use it for gaming
Well, that's your problem. Why so inneficient? You already own the equipment.

[Anonymous No.8782098]

>>8781982
I’m glad these died.
Resurrecting CRTs is bad enough.

[Anonymous No.8782105]

>>8782098
Can't wait for you to die

[Anonymous No.8782109]

>>8781991
>I know it's "muh soul" and all, but VCRs have fucking AWFUL picture quality

The picture quality of most VCR's were fine. What you are talking about is the actual VHS tape resolution. Which could go from terrible, to passable, depending on the mode used for recording.

>>8781982
>you can also watch and record VHS tapes with.
Find some blank tapes, and record your gaming session.

>>8782092
>>rf modulation box was cheaper than a vcr

I dunno, you can still find VCR's for cheap on ebay. There was a time, when like, every household had at least one VCR, or two, or three. VCR's were the dominant from the early 1980's to at least 2005. It was one of the most popular home entertainment devices outside of the TV itself.

[Anonymous No.8782120]

>>8782105
Well if you are using this setup you are already dead inside so good luck.

[Anonymous No.8782123]

>>8782040
>>8782098
Best posts

[Anonymous No.8782142]

>>8782098
Resurrect what? Mine's been functioning since 2004.

[Anonymous No.8782154]

>>8782142
Ok.

[Anonymous No.8782167]

>>8781982
Shitposting and bait aside, there's receivers that have very good composite scalers, hook composite up to it and you get a nice HDMI signal out, even support game modes with miniscule latency.

Doesn't beat actually using a CRT though.

[Anonymous No.8782173]

>>8781982
>composite mods to any console take literally minutes since the signal going into modulators is usually already composite so you might just need to invert it or add a decoupling cap
>people still use bulky extra hardware to do the same job and they lose a lot of quality thanks to downsampling the signal further and combining it with audio, just to make it composite again
Makes no sense OP

[Anonymous No.8782181]

I’m sorry OP, I’m never going back to RF.

[Anonymous No.8782192]

>>8781982
For me it’s a modern 4K flatscreen and super sharp pixels but even for original hardware purists this is a stupid idea.

[Anonymous No.8782206]

>>8781982
Will this make my old consoles not look like shit on my large flat screen??
I have a VCR but no CRT

[Anonymous No.8782227]

>>8782206
Almost certainly not.
Unless you can find a VCR that’s going to upscale and output in HDMI you’ll need to add something else into the mix. This is a comical idea.

[Anonymous No.8782261]

>>8782098
based. dunno why so many seem to think that just because you like old vidya means you like to deal with the old technology that comes with it too.

[Anonymous No.8783171]

>>8782009
RF boxes are way smaller and do the same damn thing. It's literally just an analog cable box.

[Anonymous No.8783273]

>>8783171
Can't watch vhs tapes on them, zoomzoom.

[Anonymous No.8783291]

>>8781995
Deffo not 1 ms. It’s impossible on anything other than crt. Clue up shitter.

[Anonymous No.8783369]

>>8783291
1ms videogaming monitors have been standard for years though

[Anonymous No.8783373]

>>8783369
>>8783291
1ms refers to response time, not input lag (let alone cumulative latency)

[Anonymous No.8783381]

>>8783373
keep telling yourself that, kid

[Anonymous No.8783432]

>>8782109
Colors were terrible on VHS, S-VHS which never caught on fixed this alongside with audio not being compressed to hell and being full PCM with more bandwidth efficiency out of the tape but you were never going to get great photo quality out of it. Time base correctors help out here with cleaning up the analog signals but it's still quite bad.
What sucks is that we had the capability to do above 1k lines analog video broadcasting and such in the 80's which would be HD but no real effort came to support stuff like that until HDTVs and 720p/1080i/p came around in the 00s which meant consumers had to put up with bad video quality and by extension, video games.
>>8782098
It's worst all for it because arguably your average person out there has a greater need for them than CRTs for preserving memories inside tapes and such, but the amount of people who can work on them is minuscule.

[Anonymous No.8783435]

>>8783369
Sorry to burst your bubble, but what marketing teams actually put for 1ms is grey to grey rather than black to black. They just don't put that piece of trivia on the box.

[Anonymous No.8783472]

Can VCRs help with shit signals from RF only systems? I use to be able to play my 2nd gen and microcomputers fine, but I moved into a small city and the interference I get now is just unplayable tier. Im just doing system with a direct link to my old ass tvs via RF cable, if i use a vcr in between, will that improve things?

[Anonymous No.8783484]

We need a separate board for retro tech unrelated to video games. This board is a festering /v/ colony now and most of the zoomers in this thread have never even used a VCR

[Anonymous No.8783501]

>>8782120
The opposite is true.

[Anonymous No.8783508]

Y'all brothas posting in a troll head.

[Anonymous No.8783590]

>>8783484
>muh old man circle jerk
should've picked up a hobby that isn't for manchildren if you wanted to avoid them, anon

[Anonymous No.8783591]

>>8783590
Seriously why are you posting on this board?

[Anonymous No.8783592]

>>8783590
>old men can't circle jerk! only zoomers are allowed to do that
lol

[Anonymous No.8783836]

>>8783591
Because I'm a manchild

[Anonymous No.8783895]

Buncha slack-jawed faggots in this thread. Get yourself one of these.

[Anonymous No.8783925]

>>8781982
Autismo or homo

[Anonymous No.8783951]

>>8781982
I am a fag and I use my VCR. Does that mean that VCR users are all gay fags? Would you suck my cock OP?

[Anonymous No.8783980]

>>8783895
Dumbass idiot retard, my VHS is hooked up to one of these.

[Anonymous No.8784008]

does a vcr connected to a tv via RF actually have better quality than just plugging a console directly into RF

[Anonymous No.8784025]

>>8783895

[Anonymous No.8784026]

>>8784008
No, my TV just doesn't have composite inputs, as a good retro tv shouldn't.

[Anonymous No.8784045]

>>8784008
>does a vcr connected to a tv via RF actually have better quality than just plugging a console directly into RF

Not really. Depends on the TV, quality of the connections, and other factors. For example, a game console plugged into a VCR and outputting to a TV doesn't really look any worse, in most cases. But a bad cable connection, could cause a degraded image quality. On many smaller (or cheaper) NTSC TV sets that would only have a coaxial input with no component connections, a VCR would be a lifesaver as it would add composite 'RCA' connectors inputs. most 90's+ models would have composite-in connections on the front for easy use with a video camera. Though the front composite connectors were generally used for game consoles. Sometimes they would have S-Video in and out. Though s-video going into a VCR and out to a TV using coaxial, doesn't really up the picture quality much, if any. Though the red and white audio jacks in could be connected to a better audio source out.

[Anonymous No.8784135]

>>8783951
The Chad mid 00’s Receiver is the master and your VCR is the slave. It can upscale your pathetic, moldy magnetic tape to a clean 1080p signal to an hdmi port as a main feature. It supports pretty much all /vr/ related consoles and makes them future-proof. The only thing this particular model lacks is a phono port, so you won’t be able to edge while listening to your Chuck Mangione records, but that’s a moot point anyway.

[Anonymous No.8784137]

>>8783951
>>8784135
Meant for >>8783980

[Anonymous No.8784260]

>>8784008
Depends on many factors. You could certainly have a scenario where a shitty console output an under powered signal with bad sync that was fixed by an amp and TBC in the VCR. Some VCRs even have frame buffers and could do all sorts of enhancements provided that's in the RF-RF circuit.

[Anonymous No.8784335]

>>8783273
No shit.

[Anonymous No.8784341]

>>8784260
What are some cheap VCRs with built in TBC?

[Anonymous No.8784370]

>>8784335
And you present it as a good thing? Get fucked zoomieboonaroonie.

[Anonymous No.8784470]

I still use my VCR on a weekly basis.
Yes, for recording and watching. I don't need no fancy DVR when my VCR still works.

[Anonymous No.8784491]

>>8781993
I guess he's ashamed of it too because he hid it in a spoiler tag for no conceivable reason other than that.

[Anonymous No.8784545]

>>8784470
>I still use my VCR on a weekly basis.

Thinking back to my teenage years. I use to record a lot of things to VHS. I would set it to record TV shows that I couldn't sit down and watch. I would record blocks of Saturday morning cartoons and skim through them later at night. I would use it to record Late Night with Conan O'Brien, and the show that came after it. I remember recording things I would create in Mario Paint. I even recorded one of my faster times on 777 Speedway in Daytona USA for the Saturn. It was really easy to set up. blank VHS tapes used to be really cheap. I remember them coming in packs of 4 or 5.

[Anonymous No.8784560]

>>8784470
BASED

[Anonymous No.8784562]

>>8784470
Do you keep reusing one tape? Doesn't it degrade to unwatchable shit after re-recording over something a handful of times?

[Anonymous No.8784579]

>>8784341
Whatever you can find that has one and is cheap. There are many brands/models that had one. Your best bet is to see what you can get for cheap and then check to see if it has a TBC. Then check other features that might be useful to you. You might be surprised how many there are.

[Anonymous No.8784592]

>>8784579
I thought all VCRs with TBCs are expensive as shit because professional media converters seek them out.

[Anonymous No.8784601]

>>8784562
No one using a VCR uses "just" one tape.

[Anonymous No.8784618]

>>8784562
You know you can buy brand new tapes in bulk today still? They're not even expensive.

[Anonymous No.8784642]

>>8784470
I still use my VCR too. It's actually my favorite way to watch old movies.

[Anonymous No.8784663]

>>8783432
>It's worst all for it because arguably your average person out there has a greater need for them than CRTs for preserving memories inside tapes and such, but the amount of people who can work on them is minuscule.

Not really a lot of demand for VCR repairmen/people.

[Anonymous No.8784690]

This thread is a masterful troll pastiche on the CRT threads. By making a stupid claim about how VCRs can be useful for retro gaming the OP has brought out all the bullshit present in these hardware threads.
We have the autists bringing out the the worthless technical details of the VCR. Then the nostalgia losers who talk about what they used to record decades ago (they wouldn’t touch one now). Then the zoomers who ask stupid questions about whether it will enhance their experience. Finally the scum who actually claim VCRs were good.
Not a single one of them actually wants to talk about retro video games.

[Anonymous No.8784748]

>>8784690
>Not a single one of them actually wants to talk about retro video games.

This thread will now be about ActionMax and those weird Captain Power VHS 'games'. Nah, just kidding. VCR isn't exactly a replacement for an upscaler. Back in the day, the VCR really served like a passthrough for most people who wanted to use composite video cables, but didn't have a TV with composite in. Same with S-Video in some cases. There were the odd games that would suggest using a VCR to record gameplay footage. Though, I am talking about games like Mario Paint, those 'movie maker' style games like Tiny Toons Cartoon Workshop for the NES, Art Alive, I think even Driver for the PS1 suggested using a VCR to record your director mode replays. VCR's even now, can still serve some purpose. Mostly for recording, or watching old VHS's that never went to DVD.

[Anonymous No.8784792]

>>8784748
>Art Alive,

back of the Art Alive box.

[Anonymous No.8784802]

>>8784792

Mario Paint. I'm trying to think of others that had "use a VCR" as a bullet point. It was generally something seen on 'art', or 'creative' styled games.

[Anonymous No.8784813]

>>8783472
yes
or you can you a modulator like the other tard anon in this thread- its cheaper than modifying your signals or upscaling.

however the issue is what do you do with composite or s-video on modern panels without an upscaler?

>>8783895
every receiver has a shitposter somewhere trying to convince others that they didnt waste hundreds of dollars on a lagbox

>>8784008
yes if the circuitry inside is designed to cleanup the signal (like a modulation box)

>>8784690
calm down faggot
if you want to play ANYTHING gen 2 or older you have to deal with RF
there is literally no other better solution aside from hardware modding antiques or RF modulation of some kind


>>8784802
>record them on your vcr
we still have so many tapes in the attic back home.....

[Anonymous No.8784872]

>>8784813
> if you want to play ANYTHING gen 2 or older you have to deal with RF
You sure don’t have to deal with a VCR at all. Which is what this thread is about.

[Anonymous No.8784940]

>>8784592
There were millions of these made and less than 1% of the "professional media converters" you see on reddit/4chan/whatever are in any way professional. Most are ignorant faggots who buy and sell the same meme devices on ebay because someone once said it was the best. Only slightly higher on the evolutionary ladder than audiocucks. Those things will be expensive. But a decent consumer VCR with a TBC can be had for cheap. Tested working ones go for $20-$30 here. I literally just gave one away to a friend who wanted to watch some old tapes.

[Anonymous No.8785261]

>>8784940
So your only argument is you are poor and can't afford anything else?

[Anonymous No.8785352]

>>8782227
I have a JVC DR-MV7B VCR. It's awesome. Supports HDMI with 1080p upscaling, VHS and DVD recording, and VHS, SVHS, DVD, VCD, and SVCD playback.

[Anonymous No.8785418]

>>8784872
wrong.

unless you live in a faraday cage or far from 5G/wifi RF is mostly unusable in metropolitian areas

this thread is so autistic
>werks on my machine lel just ignore the signal distortion that could be avoided with a lagless $15 rf box >;^)

[Anonymous No.8785586]

VHS actually didn't look that bad, most people only experience poorer quality or degraded tapes ran through 2 head VCR's on shitty TV's.

[Anonymous No.8785602]

>>8785586
It's about the most based way to watch cartoons or anime. I wouldn't watch movies on it though unless I knew the tape was high quality.

[Anonymous No.8785740]

>>8785418
You don’t need to use a VCR for any kind of retro gaming setup. Are you going to be okay with that?

[Anonymous No.8785746]

>>8785352
That’s not a VCR. That’s a combo DVD VCR. Whole different beast.
Your device is like a different thing entirely. It’s like PS3 having backwards compatibility with PS2. Actually it’s beyond that.

[Anonymous No.8785749]

>>8785602
>based
So its bad. It’s definitely about the worst quality you can get.

[Anonymous No.8785881]

>>8785586
A lot of people liked to record in LP mode to increase how many hours they can record.which does degrade quality.

[Anonymous No.8785915]

>>8784690
This. Omg we could've had another console war thread, or a thread about mario all stars, or a low effort meme phrase thread about a 6th gen video game, or even a thread about zoomer bandwagonners complaining about the price of old video games for the 10 billionth time. The nerve of this board!

[Anonymous No.8785927]

>>8785261
Nobody wants to buy you $5000 cable stands, pajeet.

[Anonymous No.8785953]

>>8785749
Nope. It's beautiful. Makes my eyes water with awe. And the cases have cool artwork on the spines.

[Anonymous No.8785956]

>>8785740
Would be a lot cooler if you did though Thomas

[Anonymous No.8785995]

>>8785881
I was going through my family's VHS collection and recording anything of worth and out of ~50 tapes maybe 5 were in SP.

[Anonymous No.8786034]

>>8784663
People tend to undervalue these types of things until it's too late or almost too late. My aunt threw out her tapes 2 years before I got into VCRs and digitizing what family memories I had access to and there was a bit of guilt and defensiveness when I showed the family and asked if we had more tapes. People who work with these services are charging in the neighborhood of 30-50 USD per digitized tape now and I bet the VCR repairpeople/person who do this have a lot of conversations with clients about if they truly care about the memories or not and the price is the way it is because of the lack of people who can provide this service.

[Anonymous No.8786773]

>>8785261
Yes. I'm so poor that I give away things you can't afford to buy on ebay.

[Anonymous No.8787028]

>>8785740
yes you do anon
its why OP made the thread

RF signal is garbage even with quality cabling - signal distortion

[Anonymous No.8787382]

>>8784690
dangerously based

[Anonymous No.8787646]

>>8787382
Dangerously samefag

[Anonymous No.8787781]

>>8787646
dangerously unable to count ips

[Anonymous No.8787936]

Dear