MiSTer General

[Anonymous No.8740906]

MiSTer Wiki:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki

MiSTer FPGA Bible:
https://boogermann.github.io/Bible_MiSTer/

RetroRGB MiSTer Info:
https://www.retrorgb.com/mister.html

MiSTer Boot Roms (replaces usually blank boot ROMs with MiSTer themed boot screens):
https://github.com/uberyoji/mister-boot-roms


==PSX Core Testing==
PSX Core Information:
https://vampier.net/PSX/

Official Bugs List:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aI1AeNRndleXN9bn8x5GKWxZBQQPd5IXSvlZQBzH7Kc/edit

[Anonymous No.8740927]

Can just one person tell me the advantage (even just one advantage) of MiSTer over both original hardware and emulation? Can one person also give me one SPECIFIC example where the most up-to-date emulator builds running on high-end hardware are less accurate than MiSTer?

I ask this in every thread but never get a straight answer.

[Anonymous No.8740930]

>>8740927
Lightguns are much easier to get working.

[Anonymous No.8740963]

>>8740927
>Can one person also give me one SPECIFIC example where the most up-to-date emulator builds running on high-end hardware are less accurate than MiSTer?
For example. an interesting visual oddity in the PC Engine video processing:
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/TurboGrafx16_MiSTer/issues/165
>In terms of how games operate (including simulating real hardware for games under development), I believe that this is now "close enough" that the core displays games as intended, and is a very good representation of real hardware (certainly better than any current software emulator).

[Anonymous No.8741010]

>>8740927
I wanted to play old games on my living room TV with ROM support. Original hardware would be expensive. Building a new computer would have all the disadvantages of a full desktop OS on my living room TV, cumbersome and bulky. Raspberry Pi was slow to boot up, crashed a few times on me, finicky with the RetroPie OS config, and had a bit of input lag my PC didn’t have.

MiSTer setup was a complete breeze, instant-on, and absolutely no headache except it took some trial and error to get a wifi dongle that worked properly with it.

[Anonymous No.8741086]

>Must buy latest meme hardware and blubber about cores n shiet instead of using an emulator like normal person
Timeline gets gayer gents

[Anonymous No.8741092]

>>8740927
it's boomer tier bs. And I'm one myself but this shit is just ridiculous. The guys propagating this crap just want to make money or pay money, neither of which i am interested in.

[Anonymous No.8741103]

>>8740927
>Can just one person tell me the advantage (even just one advantage) of MiSTer over both original hardware and emulation?
Better, cleaner 15kHz RGB video output, especially when using direct video and a working HDMI-to-VGA dongle. Old systems were built to a price. And PC video card DACs have been compromised for years. The MiSTer is amazingly crisp.

[Anonymous No.8741106]

>>8741103
Dumbest shit I've ever heard

[Anonymous No.8741116]

>>8741086
emulation is so 20th century

[Anonymous No.8741136]

playing on me teevee
aids incarnate
muh 15khzscanlines

mister is for dum dums
pro's use shit like emuloader (not retroaidsarch its cancer) and set everything accordingly. ??? profit

[Anonymous No.8741169]

>>8741106
Go shit in your hand. I've had arcade cabs for years, as do several friends. I played consoles back in the day and i play them now. SNES RGB is muddy. PC Engine RGB isn't perfect. And the Megadrive is worse. Why the fuck do you think so many video mods and bypasses exist? The output of AMD graphics cards from the X200 series through to the R7/R9 3xx series is... good. But the MiSTer gives better video than *all* of them. Doesn't matter if you're talking an arcade monitor, consumer tubes, PVMs, BMVs, whatever. It's better video-wise, and there's no getting around it.

Ok, so you don't believe the MiSTer hype. That's not a problem - I didn't until i tried one. But don't open your trap when you don't know anything.

[Anonymous No.8741217]

>>8740963
So what is the expected behavior supposed to be? Isn't it supposed to be on then off every frame as a transparency effect?

[Anonymous No.8741276]

Emulator faggots but even more hispter. Fuck off and die Mr Sisters, I will not buy your mister

[Anonymous No.8741308]

>>8741276
>I will not buy your mister
Thank heavens for that. I know you need to find a community where you fit in, but I'm glad it isn't ours.

[Anonymous No.8741341]

>>8740963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ0X7wQqZyg

Here's a playthrough on original hardware and it has no shimmer on top the water.

[Anonymous No.8741364]

>>8741341
Being a 480p YouTube video from 2013 it could be lost in video compression, not to mention that it is recorded in 30fps.

[Anonymous No.8741371]

>>8740927
>I ask this in every thread but never get a straight answer.
you mean you troll in ever thread and never accept an answer
here's the advantage: i like it more

[Anonymous No.8741398]

>>8741364
You would definitely be able to tell if it was there. It's not a flickering transparency effect either, so being at 30fps has no bearing on being able to tell it's there. Regardless, they couldn't even figure out what exactly was causing it, and had to implement a hack approximation that "looks good enough"

Something similar could easily be implemented in an emulator, but implementing specific hacks to try to best mimic what looks like original hardware is not accurate either lol

[Anonymous No.8741432]

>>8741308
not him but this is a very gay thing to say dude

[Anonymous No.8741453]

>>8741432
cope however you need to

[Anonymous No.8741479]

>>8740906
Hey Janny, what's bongland weather like?

[Anonymous No.8741519]

>>8741169
>consumer tube

Explain to me how this will look at all obetter on my composite crt tv.

[Anonymous No.8741549]

>>8741308
You MiSTer guys are hilarious.

These are probably the best defenses of the MiSTer I've seen so far:
>>8740930
Genuinely a cool reason to own one.
>>8741371
You sound kinda like a dork but you're at least honest.

[Anonymous No.8741559]

It should be clarified that the MiSTer is NOT a product, it's as free as the emulators you currently use on your PC right now. You can download every single project file from the MiSTer Github right now for FREE. The only difference is that you have to buy a budget FPGA board intended for educational purposes but additional community sourced accessories are also available to make further use of this project. I am not going to deny that it all adds up to a hefty amount, but that is to be expected with any enthusiast/hobbyist oriented project. MiSTer is just another option for playing /vr/ under a different environment compared to traditional software emulation. I don't understand why it bothers people that we are exploring FPGA as an alternative to original hardware.

[Anonymous No.8741639]

I want to try MiSTer. Should I just refresh the terasic website every day until the the DE10 NANO is in stock?

[Anonymous No.8741640]

>>8741086
what in the fuck is this UI? It looks horrendous

[Anonymous No.8741642]

>>8741639
Yep basically. It was in stock again for months until recently. I ordered mine a month or two ago.

[Anonymous No.8741673]

>>8741308
>I know you need to find a community where you fit in
And this right here is the mentality that sells this idiotic hardware to teens looking for peer acceptance.

[Anonymous No.8741736]

>>8741559
Or I can just spend that "hefty amount" on my computer and do these games and a bunch more stuff. Seems pretty simple if you're not a kid trying to fit in because some shitposters told you that you couldn't be in the Super Sekrit 4chan Retro Club (for Awesome and Cool People) if you emulate and you're too young to have the income required for real hardware.

[Anonymous No.8741959]

>>8741398
Is this the flickering off the jetty pillars?
I've got real hardware I can check

[Anonymous No.8741969]

>>8741959
Actually looking at it, it seems like it’s using either flicker or sprite limitations to get the effect, might be hard to see it but it’s there

[Anonymous No.8741994]

>>8741519
I'm sorry, what now? What is composite?

[Anonymous No.8742002]

>>8741994
By which i mean you are welcome to experiment, and i am genuinely interested to hear the results you get from different converters, etc. Personally, i was always chasing the arcade experience, consoles were always second best, especially in the visuals department. Now i have RGB i'm not going back.

[Anonymous No.8742012]

>>8741673
Most of us have other wants or goals, but sure, that's what sells MiSTer to the 0.01% of the userbase you're describing.

[Anonymous No.8742147]

>>8740906
Why does the logo look like the mascot of Famicom Disk System, Diskun? Do they have permission from Nintendo?

[Anonymous No.8742206]

>>8741994
You know, the chad input on every fucking tv

>converter

go back to discord

[Anonymous No.8742219]

>>8742206
GOTTEM. Based.

[Anonymous No.8742573]

>>8741086
What's the name of that frontend anon?

[Anonymous No.8742668]

>>8741549
>You sound kinda like a dork
buddy look at where you are and what you're spending your time grilling people about
if you think you're not a dork too you're delusional

[Anonymous No.8742681]

>>8742668
That doesn't mean I can't still call people dorks for saying dorky shit

[Anonymous No.8742728]

>>8741969
Yeah that's strange. Some original hardware has it and some doesn't, and all emulators + MiSTer don't have that reflection/shimmer on top the water

[Anonymous No.8742758]

I need some help how to fill space in cores like dodonpachi? Well, Galaga has this problem too
I have a crt monitor put sideways for TATE games, but its filled only in the middle, leaving borders around. Do I need to enable vga_scaler?

[Anonymous No.8743323]

>>8742728
We’ll I dunno, I think maybe I was just the capture in the one you uploaded because he reuploaded it with the same hardware and it was present
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t7xsGxl-FI

[Anonymous No.8743451]

>>8742758
Works for me in RetroArch.

[Anonymous No.8743838]

>>8742206
I recommend vaseline. Why fuck around with inferior display technology when you can work directly on your eyeballs? Composite life.

Can also be applied to your mom's boyfriend's Retron 5 before insertion.

[Anonymous No.8743992]

>>8740927
>original hardware
Rotting plastic. 9000 controllers. 9000 games. Getting gouged for being a coomlector. An extra tv that is useless for anything else. -1 entire room.

>emulation
I'm heterosexual.

[Anonymous No.8744112]

anyone got x68000 core running?
how about cps1/2?
i bought one primarily for arcade pcb
however, finding the appropriate files can be problematic

i have av/s-video output via a vga adapter
adds literally "0" frames of delay on a crt
kinda neat

worth it? depends on who you are
i bought my de-10 pre-covid

[Anonymous No.8744246]

>>8740906
>Diskun if japanese furry

[Anonymous No.8744558]

>>8741736
nice cope but you still not getting in.

[Anonymous No.8744568]

>>8740927
It's a scam mate. If you want details, read edge magazines massive feature on it they did in august last year.

[Anonymous No.8744591]

>>8741559
yuki :D

[Anonymous No.8744609]

>>8744112
>anyone got x68000 core running?
yes use the X68000 Starter Pack off archive dot org
some games need to be run with turbo on, some games need a mouse, some need a keyboard prompt to start up. It can be a pain but alot of games run great.

>how about cps1/2?
run the updateall script to setup all the arcade games properly they run great

[Anonymous No.8744652]

One thing we'll never get in these MiSTer FPGA threads are real technical justifications for owning a MiSTer over actual hardware. I mean, how important is having no input delay when most emufags have conditioned themselves to basically capture card tier lag but manage to pull off speedrun records? I'm beyond impressed by the speed of the progress compared to software emulators which have had double the amount of years to develop, but why should I spend that amount of money when a Pi3B+ is capable of at least running PC Engine and Soldier Blade? I've been following the MiSTer trying to convince myself I should pick one up, but I notice MiSTer fags are quicker to ask for features than to wait or help with bug fixes and further accuracy. Also, compared to an Rpi3B+ with native composite put, you have to invest more money on transcoders which is basically the reverse of what people do with real consoles to get RGB. And if you want the composite look, you have to mess with dozens of filters and shadow masks which by comparison to modern emulators, they hardly look all that great. It's really hard to find a worthwhile middleground unless you are desperate for a dedicated solution that caters to the negligible aspects of retro gaming.

Pic is from porkchop's twitter.

[Anonymous No.8744656]

>>8744652
>when most emufags have conditioned themselves to basically capture card tier lag but manage to pull off speedrun records?
what is this retarded cope lmao

Emulation is as low as original hardware and even lower if you choose to do so (due to VRR, lower controller latency, and run-ahead). Emulation is the absolute lowest latency method possible, no exceptions.

[Anonymous No.8744658]

>>8744568
This right here. But people who wasted money on MiSTer will cry and argue and moan and troll all day long to justify being suckered into buying expensive shit.

[Anonymous No.8744667]

>>8744568
>>8744658
The only Edge Magazine article I can find is from April 2021, not August, and it is generally positive.

[Anonymous No.8744682]

>>8741642
Update: its back in stock. Just snatched one up. Next I need an addon board and a USB hub right?

[Anonymous No.8744690]

>>8744682
Check out misteraddons if you are in US. Ultimate Mister for EUR. Although, even if you are US, Ultimate Mister is great since he has flat rate shipping in case misteraddons does not have what you need.

[Anonymous No.8744694]

>>8744656
The only exception being is that none of your high scores matter anywhere when using run ahead, but I'm guessing we're alike afterall and simply enjoy retro.

[Anonymous No.8744706]

>>8744694
No one cares if you use run-ahead except maybe some autistic speedrunning authority but who gives a shit about that.

Even without run-ahead emulation is still lower lag though, due to high refresh-rate VRR and lower lag controllers. That's the advantage of emulation, you can have it be 100% accurate or even better if you choose. Run-ahead is pretty negligible though and you're rarely if ever using more than 1 or 2 frames of run-ahead.

[Anonymous No.8744715]

>>8740927
it makes you sneedthe

[Anonymous No.8744726]

>>8744706
Post your best score in a game and I'll take a shot at it on my MiSTer. I've never seen any comparisons done like thos before.

[Anonymous No.8744732]

>>8744726
What are you trying to prove here anon?
That your score counts and his doesn’t?

[Anonymous No.8744736]

>>8744732
All those stats for a feature claimed to be negligible gotta mean something right? They must matter enough to use as leverage for why emulation is superior.

[Anonymous No.8744743]

>>8744736
Look I’ll be honest here, mister is retroarch for people who don’t like retroarch
It’s the apple to the PC

[Anonymous No.8744805]

>>8742147
Shit bait. Try harder next time.

[Anonymous No.8744861]

>you need to convince me to buy a MiSTer right now or you wasted your money
No I don't have to do anything the poors tell me.

[Anonymous No.8744924]

>I'm beyond impressed by the speed of the progress compared to software emulators

That’s because those software emulators did all the the work for them, you really think they started from scratch? Without software emulation MiSTer would be absolutely nowhere.

[Anonymous No.8744991]

>>8744682
>Next I need an addon board and a USB hub right?

No. The only real necessity is the RAM upgrade. You can get VGA output via HDMI->VGA converter and use an external usb hub.
The analog board output is IMHO worse than the converter and there's been quite a number of faulty boards lately

[Anonymous No.8745007]

>>8740906
This logo is fucking terrible. I like my MiSTer but fuck this logo.

[Anonymous No.8745016]

>>8744652
Uses up less space than original hardware and cheaper overall.

Honestly I like these threads, I don't want anymore people getting them. There are enough retards in the community already.

[Anonymous No.8745027]

>>8745016
Also I’m a trans, not sure if that matters

[Anonymous No.8745364]

>>8745027
It means your hardware will be sitting there because you'll eventually 41%.

Real women aren't into this stuff too deeply.

[Anonymous No.8745373]

>>8744726
What is that even supposed to compare or prove? The skills of two anons at a random game? Lmao

[Anonymous No.8745514]

>>8745373
You don't want to prove run ahead gives you some kind of advantage?

[Anonymous No.8745608]

>>8742758
First, make sure your VGA CRT is centered.

>Load up any Super Street Fighter II version and enable the the service mode
>Choose '7. Dot Cross Hatch'
>Use your monitor's OSD to adjust the screen size
>Make sure the red borders disappear or at least kinda of hide behind the bezel
>Test the game to make sure most HUD elements are visible
>Readjust from the Dot Cross Hatch as you feel necessary
Note: I highly recommend you zoom in 100% on your OSD so that you can zoom out for other cores that have weird resolutions like certain computer cores.
My personal examples: https://imgur.com/a/urPKjDo

Next, load up DoDonPachi. In my case, all I had to do was adjust "CRT H adjust" to -8.
I still have a black border on the top and bottom of the screen in TATE mode, but that is probably a kink with scandoubler.

[Anonymous No.8745630]

>>8745608
In addendum: Zooming out and then maxing out the horizontal size and then zooming until it fits the screen might provide an easier baseline for scaling your image through your OSD.

[Anonymous No.8745684]

>>8745514
Yeah bro, surely run-ahead is the only factor influencing your score at a game.

[Anonymous No.8747669]

Are they planning to release a handheld version, or an add-on to turn it into a handheld?