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[Anonymous No.8573823]

DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD - Last thread: >>8558210

DOOM/II/ULTIMATE/FINAL/64/CHEX/QUAKE/DUKE/HERETIC/HEXEN/ETC
Gameplay, WADs/Maps/Mods, Source Ports
All other 90s FPS welcome
~ Let's post like gentlemen ~

FAQ/PASTEBIN
http://pastebin.com/hzDnLpct

SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME FUCKING DOOM
(or Quake, Duke, Marathon, Thief, Deus Ex)
https://imgur.com/a/wWS8zXz

Same thing, in video format:
https://youtu.be/ietb4JwaaXA
https://youtu.be/CGj4gXyCzg0

IWADs and more (>6 GB): https://mediafire.com/file/wuniyrhsjjgq4y8
PortaDOOM: https://github.com/Kroc/PortaDOOM/releases
Quake Trilogy (2020-11): https://pastebin.com/Ucb11XhU
Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Doom, Quake, Douk, Blood, and more)
https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q
https://mega.nz/#F!GtEQTISJ!CCJGyPEEEsZasc1PMXicUA
More /vr/ shooters
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ppJLNvQEPfP4FsOCQBak1TMvPUIswCac
Doom Shovelware
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Xy-YDWytlEa2CS9rit-PUgcieh4MrGzR
Fileplanet archives
https://www.quaddicted.com/files/mirrors/ftp.planetquake.com/
Doom RPG series
https://mega.nz/#!Y7AjEawA!Ta2RQuOC235v0wQoLtVR7HJoN7bsiawkujSlq8A1Da4
4CHAN DOSPACK + Win98 games (pre-configured):
https://mega.nz/folder/CldGAahb#yn_8LkRHraywPgKJMp5pqA

== INFO/LINKS ==
OFFICIAL DOOM WIKI
http://doomwiki.org/

WHERE TO FIND WADS
Vanilla/Boom: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/4-wads-mods/
ZDoom: http://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=19
/idgames: https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/

TUTORIALS/UTILITIES
https://pastebin.com/7vKYWYp0

RESOURCES
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewforum.php?f=37

== /VR/DOOM COMMUNITY ==

THREAD ARCHIVES
https://desuarchive.org/vr/search/text/%22doom%20thread%22/type/op/

MAKING NEW THREADS PROPERLY
https://pastebin.com/8mDnrsrB

IMAGE DATABASE
http://vrdoom.booru.org/?page=post&s=list

OUR WADS
https://pastebin.com/5sKRiJzS

[Anonymous No.8573825]

=== CURRENT RELEASES ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE
Download it here
https://www.nexusmods.com/quake/mods/7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/violent-rumble

AD MORTEM
Beta thread
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/125461
Current release
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18le6ho89YT_myg8CiUUk2mw1439zPyyJ/view

=== NEWS ===
[01-29] Doom Delta version 2.4.0b released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=1211719#p1211719

[01-29] GZDoom engine Beyond Sunset demo released
https://metacorp.itch.io/beyond-sunset

[01-28] Powerslave/Exhumed is coming February 10
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1486906914017583108

[01-26] Romero's doing a post-mortem for Wolfenstein 3D at GDC
https://www.gdconf.com/news/john-romero-presents-wolfenstein-3d-postmortem-gdc-2022

[01-23] EXODUS for doom released
https://youtu.be/YI6EV7_cv6I

[01-23] GZDoom engine FPS Mala Petaka demo released
https://youtu.be/SHK3Iv71jpY

[01-22] Blood 2 developer disc found
https://twitter.com/benmcoleman/status/1483182402847473665

[01-21] ROTT Remaster delayed to this year, now being published by Apogee
https://www.gamespress.com/en-US/Apogee-Entertainment-Publishing-Rise-of-the-Triad-Remastered-on-PC-Con

[01-18] Microsoft has acquired Activision Blizzard and now owns Heretic and Hexen, among others

[01-17] Laser Justice, a classic shmup inspired mod for Doom
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=74458

[01-15] E[X]tended Mapedit for Blood released
https://twitter.com/BloodHispano/status/1482438772285489164

[01-14] RC1 of PRCP2 has been released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/119628

[01-13] OCCULA.WAD, new slaughter mapset by bemused and tourniquet
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126833

[01-12] FutureShock32 back in development
>>8512626

=== PREVIOUS ===
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-vrTgPGmlLwdO5VHHCJMxmRD05E6XlNmqHIN8aykRG0

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[Anonymous No.8573856]

>>8573823
What wad is OP from?

[Anonymous No.8573860]

>>8573796
Nothing's changed. It's still a Serious Sam which has incredibly solid gameplay foundation but almost everything else is bad/terrible. Steam's positive reviews percentage keeps decreasing slowly, rightfully so. Touch it only if you really love SS-style gameplay and have a good enough rig (3gb video ram at very least).

[Anonymous No.8573864]

[Anonymous No.8573879]

>>8573796
The optimization is way better now than it was on launch, but still requires tweaking the settings to get it to run good (so graphics will vary depending on how powerful your system is). Also the legion system is in the last level and fully functional, not like it is in the prologue (though if you know what you're doing you can still beat it pretty fast). The only powerful weapons I felt were given too late were the lasergun and cannon, but everything else you had ample opportunity to use.
As for all the other points for me those literally do not bother me at all. I liked the skill tree, I didn't mind the big levels, and I didn't think any of the enemy encounters were boring. But that's just my opinion. I'm a simpleton and more serious sam is good serious sam.
Also serious sam 4 is instantly better than 3 because the game actually starts in the first level when you spawn, not 3 levels later.

[Anonymous No.8573983]

>>8573864
>fast big feels

[Anonymous No.8574000]

>>8573864
>hate /vr/, least faggotry
>sight dick death

[Anonymous No.8574027]

>>8574021
Fucking hell. Posted in the old thread. Anyone care to help?

[Anonymous No.8574053]

>>8573823
What map is that OP? Looks cool

[Anonymous No.8574079]

how do i stop getting burnout from mapmaking?

[Anonymous No.8574094]

>>8574079
Switch to liquid-cooled mapmaking to prevent burning out

[Anonymous No.8574107]

>>8574079
Make midis.

[Anonymous No.8574289]

>>8573983
Atmospheric based /vr/ wad when.

[Anonymous No.8574353]

You would not believe how much of a pain in the ass this was to get both working and performant. On the upside, I managed to near-perfectly solve the only real solvable tracer issue that Babel has (tracers appearing to pass through the back of some objects). On the further downside though, implementing this into the actual mod will be yet another exercise in wanting to strangle a German chicken.
Thanks for reading my shitty blogpost. Update still coming, just slowly because I actually have a real job again lol.

[Anonymous No.8574436]

It's kinda crazy how much of a versatile weapon the shotgun is, it's almost bad game design
>good at close and long range
>good against squishes and some mid tier monsters
>the most ammo efficient weapon in the game
>easy to aim (easiest)
>comfortable firing rate
I think whenever you enjoy doom comes down to whenever you like the shotgun sound and animation lol

[Anonymous No.8574465]

post memes like these

[Anonymous No.8574481]

>>8574436
Vanilla ssg => vanilla chaingun > vanilla shotgun. It has its use against a bunch of spread out shotgunners/hitscanners and its fun utilizing in pistol starts.
What’s funny is that the post preceding this refers to Project Babel which has some of the best shotgun/double shotgun balance I’ve ever seen.

[Anonymous No.8574486]

>>8574465
the only one that makes any sense to me here is doom 3

[Anonymous No.8574509]

>>8574079
Put down the computer. Do a 360 and go outside.

[Anonymous No.8574515]

>>8574509
You mean a tree sissy?

[Anonymous No.8574641]

>>8574436
>the most ammo efficient weapon in the game
That depends on context right? The SSG is objectively more ammo efficient when all the pellets hit their target, like in close range mancubus combat. Overall, Doom 2 has an incredibly well-balanced weapon roster, pistol aside.

[Anonymous No.8574736]

Holy fuck the last map of Doom 4 Vanilla Bacalus is literraly NUTS.WAD, it's so terrible

[Anonymous No.8574807]

>>8574465

[Anonymous No.8574821]

YOU BOYS AREN'T GETTING OFF THE HOOK THAT EASILY. IT'S STILL SCREENSHOT SATURDAY. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WORKING ON?

[Anonymous No.8574845]

>>8574821
Was dooming it myself. It turned out to be way harder than it seemed.

[Anonymous No.8574963]

>>8574436
Always kind of found it weird that your main weapons in a nominally-military themed shooter were a SxS shotgun and a rocket launcher.

I mean I like the doom shotguns, but I prefer a good machine gun weapon in games, so I find myself gravitating towards weapon mods with good machine guns.

[Anonymous No.8575036]

>watch demo of doom 2 with commentary
>they keep mentioning Hell Revealed when shooting down barrons with the SSG
Is HR really that repetitive or something?

[Anonymous No.8575079]

>>8574963
not retro but tf2 is the same, no assault rifle
closest thing is the smg that the sniper has as his secondary weapon
I think that's what makes the game so fun though, there's no boring efficient way to kill someone

probably inherited that from quake

[Anonymous No.8575085]

Never played Powerslave before but it looks pretty neat. What do you guys think of it?

[Anonymous No.8575090]

>>8575036
Watch decino's HR playthrough and see for yourself.

[Anonymous No.8575097]

>>8575079
Makes perfect sense for TF2. The minigun in Doom might as well be an assault rifle though (perfect long range accuracy if you single-click), it's just the game is balanced around the shotguns regardless - obviously a bigger problem in Doom 2 with the SSG.
>>8575085
It's really good, kind of like the metroid prime of its day.

[Anonymous No.8575131]

>>8575085
It's cool in concept but the Playstation version has horrible hitboxes and the DOS version has some pretty tedious level design.

[Anonymous No.8575154]

>>8575131
Good thing the remaster is based on the Saturn version then

[Anonymous No.8575161]

>>8575036
Yes.

[Anonymous No.8575190]

>[01-29] GZDoom engine Beyond Sunset demo released
>https://metacorp.itch.io/beyond-sunset
Gotta say, I didn't expect it to be set in the HacX universe.

[Anonymous No.8575286]

dont care, im only waiting for supplice

[Anonymous No.8575296]

>>8573864
>technically cacos listen

what do they listen to

[Anonymous No.8575349]

>>8575154
But it's based on both. With a leaning towards the playstation more because the Saturn is fucking weird

[Anonymous No.8575378]

>>8575349
Straight from the man himself
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1486966312039550978

[Anonymous No.8575407]

>>8574821
Reposting because I'm happy with the look of this cave

[Anonymous No.8575717]

>>8573864
>little yet huge imps
>basically slaughter environment
>guns help nigger

[Anonymous No.8575964]

I'm making a level up mod. Made a bunch of power up actors for each level because fucking primitive acs and decorate

[Anonymous No.8575973]

>>8575964
>because fucking primitive acs and decorate

[Anonymous No.8576293]

>>8575097
>>8575079
>Valve games
>fun
They literally killed fps

[Anonymous No.8576398]

>>8575036
You know how Plutonia has revenants and chaingunners everywhere?
Barons are mascots of Hell Revealed, just like archviles in Hell Revealed 2.

[Anonymous No.8576457]

>>8575296
Midis and Doomguy's screams of pain.

[Anonymous No.8576515]

>>8575296
That one time you punched the air.

[Anonymous No.8576614]

>Originally Dr. Goldfire was going to be called Dr. Goldstern, but the name was change to avoid a controversy portraying Jews as evil people.

[Anonymous No.8576615]

>>8575296
Yeah so that extra hole on their rear end is an earhole. The more you know.

[Anonymous No.8576621]

wew, satyrs in Ad Mortem ignore invisibility

[Anonymous No.8576646]

I am currently in a conundrum. I want to get into mapmaking but I have no idea how to balance maps for UV because I am solely a HMP player.
Sure, I beaten original Doom1-2 on UV but I play everything else on medium because I am not some munchkin who likes fisting barons and revenants, you know?

[Anonymous No.8576652]

>>8574821

[Anonymous No.8576653]

>>8576652
5 images incoming (2/5)

[Anonymous No.8576657]

>>8576653
(3/5)

[Anonymous No.8576659]

>>8576657
(4/5)

[Anonymous No.8576662]

>>8576659

[Anonymous No.8576667]

>>8576659
>>8576659
(5/5)
This is in a playable, release candidate state. Expect a steady escalation of fights. If you're not prepared to tear through 888 enemies with only a rocket launcher as your weapon, try playing it on skill 2 or even 1.

PRBoom+ and DSDA compatible. The final arena breaks in GZDoom, so don't use that.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19kuWbjGwdIWwEjoc4S3d8HThJcv84T8j/view?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.8576707]

>>8573983

[Anonymous No.8576713]

>>8573864
>without question, community raised scripts
ZScript /vr/ collab when

[Anonymous No.8576716]

>>8574079
Either take a break or make something really unusual, like a level that looks like it's from another game; bonus points if it's from a different genre.
You could also try turning a piece of artwork or a background you like into a level.

[Anonymous No.8576721]

>>8575079
The closest thing to an assault rifle is probably Heavy's Tomislav. Always liked that one.

[Anonymous No.8576847]

>>8574963
I love M16s with that olde timey heat shield for the M203.

[Anonymous No.8576903]

>>8575079
>not retro but tf2

Anon, TF2 released before 2008. It's now retro.

[Anonymous No.8576904]

[Anonymous No.8577009]

>>8576847
Extremely aesthetic guns.

[Anonymous No.8577010]

>>8576713
>ZScript /vr/ collab when
>implying more than three or so people here know ZScript well enough to do anything with it
>implying more than a handful or so people here even know Decorate well enough to do anything with it

I mean, I'd be up for it, but what would the topic be? Weapons are boring because most people lack the creativity to do anything that would warrant using ZScript in the first place, and gameplay mods... well, Corruption Cards is already a thing and I can't think of anything cool that hasn't been done before. Although maybe a /vr/ CC expansion pack could indeed be cool.

[Anonymous No.8577016]

>>8573825
https://darsycho.itch.io/modohfun/devlog/340835/modohfun-34-released
ModOhFun! 3.4 - Released

[Anonymous No.8577178]

>>8576293
how? if anything it was activision who drove the genre into the ground

[Anonymous No.8577219]

>>8577178
Not that I agree with them but Valve did popularize linear FPSes.

[Anonymous No.8577224]

>>8577219
it's not even just linearity, but the lack of stuff like resource management, 2 weapon limit, no enemy variety and a lot more
the modern fps staple was a combination of specific elements to make the most basic and easily developed game, besides maybe "realistic graphics"

[Anonymous No.8577227]

>>8577010
Zscript also means limiting it to gzdoom.

At least with DECORATE and ACS there are a bunch of ports you can use it with.

[Anonymous No.8577250]

>>8577224
>it's not even just linearity, but the lack of stuff like resource management, 2 weapon limit, no enemy variety and a lot more
At the very least there’s lots of variety and effort put into HL’s linearity, and it still had a decently healthy roster of enemies to introduce throughout the campaign.
Any sort of “downhill” with FPS started with Xbox and its accessible shooters and LAN parties. 2004 confirmed the death spiral. One of the “best” shooters to come after all that (FEAR) is plagued by all the same tropes.

[Anonymous No.8577272]

>>8577250
>>8576904
>>8576847
HL was never good, leave

[Anonymous No.8577279]

>>8577272
This. HL was revolutionary, but is about as unfun as shooters can be

[Anonymous No.8577290]

>>8577279
If only /v/ zoomies realize this

[Anonymous No.8577292]

Also TF2 is casual garbage like TFC.
Fuck CS and Portal too.
Valve was never good.

[Anonymous No.8577295]

>>8577279
I feel like it's the same with all Valve games, they make a good surface level impression but get really boring when you scratch them a bit.
Only good long term thing about HL was mods.

[Anonymous No.8577326]

>>8577009
Not gonna lie, kinda wish Ion Fury also had an M16 like that but it is how it is. In 'Nam you have an M16 but that game's also kinda meh.

Sad! Guess I'll have to wait for AWOL. Unless Ion Fury : Aftershock has it. Speaking of which, I'm really really looking forward to Ion Fury Aftershock. Though in the meantime I've been playing Ashes 2063 and holy damn it's really good. Almost commercial game quality really.

[Anonymous No.8577327]

Why can't jannies handle the truth?
HL killed the fps.
This is undeniable.
Inagine defending linearity.

[Anonymous No.8577331]

>>8576904
>>8576904
Fuck off

[Anonymous No.8577332]

>>8577250
Nope it was Half Life, cope.

[Anonymous No.8577338]

>>8577178
HL is proto-cod.

[Anonymous No.8577342]

I'm not agreeing with this schizoid, but TF2 discussion not being allowed here is fine by me since it's so radically different from pretty much everything that gets discussed here. Plus, if /v/ and /vg/ are anything to go by, I don't want its fans here either.

[Anonymous No.8577347]

>>8577342
Why are you defending HL?

[Anonymous No.8577349]

>>8577326
It would at least translate better than it would with Doom, the most aesthetic parts of it disappear when it’s centered.

[Anonymous No.8577367]

Half-Life is retro, deal with it.

[Anonymous No.8577393]

>>8577367
It also ruined fps, deal with it.
It will never be respected here or by other retro gamers.
The Halo/COD of it's time.

[Anonymous No.8577401]

>>8577393
>It also ruined fps
It didn't.
>It will never be respected here or by other retro gamers.
You don't speak for everyone.
>The Halo/COD of it's time.
lmao

[Anonymous No.8577403]

>>8577393
I mean we all agree yesterday about that and duke being the peak of fps.
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/8572074/#8572074

[Anonymous No.8577405]

>>8577401
Quake and Doom have much better core gameplay than either Half-Life. Large levels, good weapons, good enemy variety. Both Half-Life games start with overly long cutscenes-that-are-not-cutscenes, where you can walk around but still have to wait until the scene is over, with no option to skip it. Half-Life 2 has a TON of these. You go meet your allies, they talk about shit, meanwhile you crowbar Alyx's boobs and throw computer hardware at Dr. Kleiner's face who don't even react to your shenanigans. There's no way to skip these scenes on a second playthrough, other than straight-up quitting back to the main menu and restarting from the next chapter... or using a level skip cheat. Apparently having a silent protagonist increases the immersion because YOU are Doctor Freeman and the devs never put any words in your mouth... but when your game has you interact with NPCs this much, and instead of making those into cutscenes you allow the player to dick around like a retard, it just becomes absurd. "Oh hey Dr Freeman it's so nice to finally meet you, I respect you so much, you're a great scientist!" Proceeds to dick around like a turboautist on a mixture of meth, speed and cocaine, crouching down and savaging her cunt with a crowbar, then grabbing all the science equipment in the room and tossing it around like a monkey throwing poop.

[Anonymous No.8577406]

>>8577405
The weapons in HL2 feel merely okay, and they all have pitifully low maximum ammo counts. In some scenes, you absolutely need to use one specific weapon (usually it's the rocket launcher) and the game gives you infinite ammo in a respawning ammo box. While the physics engine is great and it's fun to explode red barrels to send combine soldiers flying, the average moment-to-moment gunplay is merely mediocre compared to Doom and Quake. The game is too preoccupied with showing off its engine capabilities with some gimmick scenes, rather than focusing on delivering a solid shooting experience. There are a lot of vehicle sections, there's that antlion section where you toss a pheromone ball to command your antlion army, it all feels very gimmicky and designed to show off what the engine can do. "Hey guys, we have physics! We have a decent AI and the ability to command a squad! We have vehicles! Isn't that cool??" Also, both Half-Life games are incredibly linear. Far, far more linear than your average shooter of the time. Doom, Quake, the Build Engine games, Unreal... sure, they all had some linear levels, but your average level there involved exploring a small hub, hunting down keycards, finding secret areas, etc etc. The levels often had expansive spaces that could be tackled in several ways. You can go to the left wing of the building first or the right wing of the building, you can cross that bridge by walking over it or jump down into the water and find another way up to the other side, etc. In the Half-Life games, there is usually only ONE way forward. Not two ways, not three ways, just one. They are among the most linear shooters of their time, and a huge step back in level design compared to what came before, especially the Build Engine games and Unreal 1.

[Anonymous No.8577407]

>>8577405
>>8577406
Nice copypasta bro.

[Anonymous No.8577414]

>>8577407
Nice counterargument, bro.

[Anonymous No.8577419]

>>8577414
Shoot yourself in the head Alf

[Anonymous No.8577421]

Ancient Aliens has been stellar until this map. I don't like it.

[Anonymous No.8577428]

>>8577414
I honestly couldn't care less. People were still playing and making new content for retro FPS games long after games like Halo and CoD came out, not to mention the retro FPS revival that happened in recent years. Not even sure what you're really bitching about anymore.

[Anonymous No.8577429]

I need troll wad recommendation

[Anonymous No.8577432]

>>8577428
People who believe HL is a classic or as good as other 90's fps.

[Anonymous No.8577436]

>>8577432
That seems like more of a (You) problem, anon.

[Anonymous No.8577439]

>>8577436
It's a problem because it's not good.

[Anonymous No.8577443]

>>8577421
The last ten or so maps drags like hell. Any sort of combat area just blends together with the next.

[Anonymous No.8577445]

>>8577439
Read my post again.

[Anonymous No.8577454]

>>8573864
>dimension enhancement
make your reality twice as big using this one weird trick

[Anonymous No.8577465]

>>8577445
HL was a menace to Doom/Quake/Duke back then.
Especially the mods.

[Anonymous No.8577480]

>>8577465
maybe if doom/quake/duke were better games they wouldn't have been menaced by half life?

[Anonymous No.8577510]

>>8577465
I understand what you're getting at here but like I said earlier, people were still playing and modding these games well after shooters like Halo and CoD came out. Games like Doom, Quake and Duke never truly died. We didn't see new retro-styled FPS games for a long time because of new technology and people wanting to take advantage of it. If it wasn't going to be Half-Life taking the genre in a new direction then it was going to be something else.

[Anonymous No.8577516]

>>8577393
What ruined FPS is the slow pace and trying to be a movie instead of a game, and it's because of catering to casual console players, not because of Half Life.

[Anonymous No.8577520]

>>8577510
It doesn't matter.
HL doesn't deserve to be praised or remembered as those games.
Zoomers and journos love to shill it.
Fake classic.

[Anonymous No.8577523]

[Anonymous No.8577525]

>>8577516
HL1 is a movie game

[Anonymous No.8577534]

>>8577520
I can tell being reasonable is something you're simply not capable of so I'm just not going to bother anymore. Take your meds.

[Anonymous No.8577553]

which wad are you playing right now?
im on rowdy rudy 2, its pretty fun

[Anonymous No.8577554]

>>8577553
I decided to try playing Heartland again. I'm doing much better than at release date. Still no chance to beat it saveless though.

[Anonymous No.8577568]

>>8577553
Doing max demos for Scythe. The episode 3 maps aren't as hard as I remember but I'm stuck on 27, had one attempt that ate shit on the 3 cybers with the partial invis.

[Anonymous No.8577581]

>>8577421
Not my favorite either, it was the only map I remember being lukewarm to.

[Anonymous No.8577583]

>>8577525
Whatever story there is, won't get in your way. You can completely ignore the story and just go shooting. It won't stop you to show cutscenes or conversations. Stuff just happens around you. The action is fast. At the time the linear progression through carefully crafted setpieces was original and refreshing.

It's not their fault that their success led to FPS developers adopting some characteristics of their game while making their new games slow, cover based, with regenerating health and cutscenes, all because of console casuals.

On the other hand, look how Quake is basically the same game as Doom but with polygons. How many times were devs supposed to rehash the same game? Half life managed to innovate without catering to casual mouseless players, keeping the fast FPS action intact. Look how Quake 2 and Unreal are aimless tech showpieces that while being good games, represent a clear step down in quality for the old formula.

[Anonymous No.8577593]

Stop engaging with retards and schizoids holy fucking shit

[Anonymous No.8577603]

>>8577583
>Look how Quake 2 and Unreal are aimless tech showpieces that while being good games, represent a clear step down in quality for the old formula.
I'm no longer sure how I feel about this. Quake 2's base encounters might leave something to be desired but it's still a traditional IdSoft roster that gets realized with expansions and fixes. Unreal is much further away from any "old formula".

[Anonymous No.8577636]

>>8577393
Doom was the Halo/COD of its time. They should have listened to Tom Hall and kept all the RPG elements and romance options. Ultima Underworld is the true FPS.

[Anonymous No.8577651]

>>8577421
That's the only map I like from Ancient Aliens

[Anonymous No.8577686]

>>8574465

[Anonymous No.8577873]

>>8577016
This is funny as fuck to run with FreeDoom.

[Anonymous No.8577930]

>>8573825
BAD FUCKING NEWS
https://twitter.com/E1M1magazine/status/1487866897551044608
LO WANG'S VOICE ACTOR IS DEAD

[Anonymous No.8577948]

>>8577429
what wad is that?

[Anonymous No.8577952]

>>8577948
Regular Day

[Anonymous No.8578009]

>>8577250
>One of the “best” shooters to come after all that (FEAR) is plagued by all the same tropes.
Alright, I don't care about F.E.A.R. and never bothered to look deeper into it. Tell me why is that. Why its the "best" one?

[Anonymous No.8578027]

>>8578009
F.E.A.R's biggest strength is how well it convinced people the AI was smarter than it was.

[Anonymous No.8578041]

If I liked Ashes 2063, what other Doom 2 mods would you recommend for someone who hasn't played any others?

[Anonymous No.8578065]

>>8578041
Ashes 2063 is only a scant few assets away from crossing the line between "Doom 2 Mod" and "Completely Different Game" but there is an Ashes gameplay mod, if you want to take those weapons and mechanics to different maps, or you could try out some other total conversions, but it's kind of hard to recommend mods based on one TC, what did you like about Ashes, exactly? That might help with narrowing down suggestions.

[Anonymous No.8578075]

>>8578065
I like the guns, I seem to have a preference for hitscan weapons. The aesthetics in general pleased me too. If it helps in any way, my favorite Build engine game is Shadow Warrior.

[Anonymous No.8578082]

>>8578075
You might like Trailblazer then.

[Anonymous No.8578093]

>>8576847
>>8576904
HECU Doom seems like a good idea.

[Anonymous No.8578098]

>>8577930
I'm still confused by the new design, do kids nowadays find this outfit attractive?

[Anonymous No.8578103]

>>8578041
I assume you've played Ashes: Afterglow?

[Anonymous No.8578118]

>>8578098
They think it's modern, and Flying Wild Hog thought the original was deeply racist and something to not emulate the designs or humor of.

The reboots just felt soulless to me, and the first felt a lot like Hard Reset with melee tacked on, before they went back and tacked melee onto Hard Reset as well.

[Anonymous No.8578130]

>>8578009
>Alright, I don't care about F.E.A.R. and never bothered to look deeper into it. Tell me why is that. Why its the "best" one?
>>8578027 kind of nailed it. You might like the “tone” or the weapons might feel “meaty” but if you’ve not looked into it before it’ll feel like a standard mid 2000s linear shooter with karate.
I found Condemned to be an overall better game.

[Anonymous No.8578138]

>>8578118
>be wary about “racism” while having all of their asian characters played by white people
And old, silly, but awesome Wang would’ve been great. The new one is all about being “””cool”””.

[Anonymous No.8578146]

>>8578041
>>8578075
Instead of a Doom mod, can I recommend AMC TC/AMC Squad? It's a build engine mod with insane amounts of content and multiple playable characters each with huge weapon selections, a hub world, unlockables, etc. If you can get past the cheesy shit it's seriously good.

[Anonymous No.8578148]

>>8578118
hard reset and shadow warrior '13 are awful and i have no idea how they came from the guys who worked on painkiller
like seriously how do you go from making a game where you jump around the map at mach 3 and kill everything in a couple of shots, to a game where you have to slowly kite a handful of fodder around for 5 minutes to kill it with your chinky dinky folded 7 times sword
regardless i like nu wang and SW13's humor for the most part, though SW2 went too far with the cringe

[Anonymous No.8578164]

>>8578148
painkiller wasn't very good either
flying wild hog are pretty much just hacks

[Anonymous No.8578175]

>>8576646
I think you'd be better off balancing for UV. Make UV so it's difficult for you but still manageable. Then remove/replace monsters for HMP and playtest so you can rebalance the ammo. Then remove some more monsters for HNTR and don't worry about the extra ammo.
Your WAD will just have a max difficulty that's easier than others, no big deal

[Anonymous No.8578179]

>>8576667
Looks great. I'll playtest this tonight and drop a link for feedback.

[Anonymous No.8578185]

>>8578164
painkiller is a wonderful experience that has great moving, shooting, and weapons, but the gameplay needed to be more difficult
apparently they thought giving everything 5000% more health and making the guns suck was difficulty

[Anonymous No.8578189]

>>8577516
>What ruined FPS is the slow pace and trying to be a movie instead of a game
Thats literally what HL did lol

[Anonymous No.8578190]

>>8577553
Occula. Recently got into the work of bemused and tourniquet so this was a real pleasant surprise. It's only January but I think this will probably be one of my favorite releases of the year.

[Anonymous No.8578191]

>>8578082
>>8578146
Alright thanks, time for me to delve into those recs.

[Anonymous No.8578194]

>>8578164
Painkiller had fun weapons and some neat music but pretty generic level/encounter design that only got worse the further you got into the game.

Shit just became a series of being locked into rooms with enemies spawning in.

Though speaking of Painkiller; Painslayer isn't the worst mod ever, if seriously exploitable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dhlysUcUzE

[Anonymous No.8578202]

>>8578027
...so, like marines in Half-Life? I get it through. lol
>>8578130
>You might like the “tone”
Don't think so. Generally I'm really into horror side of things, if there's actually any in F.E.A.R. I don't mind them if the game interest me overall, but overall it just doesn't interest me on itself.
I have to admit that the "special forces" side of thing would be more interesting with seemingly darker tone and all that, but that girl on cover art just screams "generic" to me.
>the weapons might feel “meaty”
Honestly, I'm mostly blind when it comes to that stuff. Not one of those who bothers much with "weapon feel": it's usually "just fine" to me.
>if you’ve not looked into it before it’ll feel like a standard mid 2000s linear shooter with karate
I've seen brief gameplay clips here and there. Nothing really stood out to me: slowing time is cool I guess, but not unique to this title. I suppose that's why I "don't get" the existing excitement around Selaco when F.E.A.R. cited as major inspiration for it: that's just your modern mid 2000 shooter that tries to come off as "retro FPS" and tries too hard by using GZDoom.
Thanks for the answers though.

[Anonymous No.8578223]

>>8578202
>I suppose that's why I "don't get" the existing excitement around Selaco when F.E.A.R. cited as major inspiration for it
Sounds like marketing more than anything, and I think people tend to refer to FEAR as the “most fun” they’ve had with a sort of “modern” shooter from those times. SMOD’d HL2 fits that bill for me better. Seleco looks fun though.

[Anonymous No.8578236]

>>8574465
redditshit but still kind of funny

[Anonymous No.8578248]

>>8578202
>I suppose that's why I "don't get" the existing excitement around Selaco when F.E.A.R. cited as major inspiration for it:
Yeah they're going the "advanced AI" route with their marketing but GZDoom really isn't the engine to pull that off.

F.E.A.R at least had the strength that the ai and the level design was done together, with stuff they could interact with, while announcing most stuff they did to make the player feel like they're outsmarting them.

Selaco won't even have that, really.

[Anonymous No.8578253]

Both HL and FEAR are mediocre shit praised by faggots who never played and old school fps before.
Both movieshit.
Imagine defending linearity and hating choices, freedom, emergence and agency.

[Anonymous No.8578258]

>>8578189
Bssed
>>8578093
>>8577636
>>8577583
Faggot

[Anonymous No.8578267]

>>8578248
>non-Doom AI
I won’t hold my breath on them pulling it off, bur any work towards will be interesting to see. I’ll be worried if it’s an excuse to not have a fun enemy and weapon roster. Meanwhile, the Supplice demo was delicious so I get to look forward to that.

[Anonymous No.8578276]

>>8578253
HL1 gives you the choice of sitting around and listening to NPCs, running off and ignoring them, or just shooting them in the face. Those choices started to disappear with HL2.

[Anonymous No.8578331]

>>8578267
It wouldn't be that hard if you made the maps for it. The main thing obstructing gameplay mods from adding better AI is that most AI these days needs good node paths and shit on maps.

[Anonymous No.8578334]

>>8577480
Cringe

[Anonymous No.8578335]

>>8578236
Dumb

[Anonymous No.8578339]

Please stop defending FEAR, this is not /v/.
Also Selaco sucks.

[Anonymous No.8578347]

>>8578276
Nice cope

[Anonymous No.8578353]

FEAR was a solid 6-7/10 experience on first playthrough but all attempted replays were unsuccessful. The scriptedness of the AI encounters becomes really obvious and bullet time is just gay.

[Anonymous No.8578356]

>>8578353
Just like Cuck-Life

[Anonymous No.8578365]

>>8578356
Please go back to doomworld so you can get banned and collectively laughed at over there again

[Anonymous No.8578372]

>>8578339
>Also Selaco
wow,didn't know you already played it,must be a time traveler.
>>8578356
played HL1 twice and loved it each time,and i almost never replay games.
>>8578253
play a shit-ton of boomershooters and still love HL (though FEAR is more hit or miss,the AI is cool,but its kinds boring only shooting one enemy type,just gets old)

[Anonymous No.8578375]

>>8573823
https://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=62112
Knightmare's post on Celephais about Q2 Oblivion Source code whereabouts, also a bit on which i believe someone here at /vr/ from 2017 knows of Tim Wright's whereabouts
>The absolute best way to fix the problem is to get Oblivion ported to KMQ2, where "index: overflow" is not a problem. This requires the mod's source code. Unless one of the devs finds and releases said source, this will probably require reverse engineering the Linux gamei386.so included with Oblivion. This .so includes debug info, such as function and variable names. Someone who's really good with assembly code will need to decompile it with a tool like Ida or Ghidra and reconstruct the source from the annotated assembly code produced by the decompiler.

>"I believe Argh had the source and was also working on a patch many years ago. Not sure if he still visits this board though." Argh disappeared in '05 or '06 (back when he was working on ArghRad 3.0 that was never finalized) and hasn't been heard from since. Odds are he's deceased or in prison. Unless you can identify him from his email address and track down his family/estate (not easy, as there are tons of Tim Wrights out there), and then ask nicely for any Q2-related files on any computers/storage that remain, you won't be getting anything from him.

[Anonymous No.8578376]

Play a real fps like Sin, faggots.

[Anonymous No.8578380]

>>8578356
Aside from Lambda Core which I've never liked, HL1 still holds up perfectly. Beaten it at least 10 times.

[Anonymous No.8578401]

>>8578179
Awesome. I appreciate it. A map this big is hard to get right.

[Anonymous No.8578408]

>>8578179
Oh yeah, I fixed the problem it was having with GZDoom. Now the map is supported in PRBoom+, DSDA, and GZDoom.

[Anonymous No.8578417]

>>8578185
Not a fan of Painkiller’s level design and roster.
Painslayer with Babel monsters, on the other hand…

[Anonymous No.8578418]

>>8578248
selaco has those callouts from what ive seen.

[Anonymous No.8578419]

>>8577393
>>8577401
>>8577403
>>8577405
>>8577406
>>8577407
>>8577414
>>8577419
>>8577428
>>8577432
>>8577436
>>8577439
>>8577445
>>8577465
>>8577480
>>8577510
>>8577516
>>8577520
>>8577523
>>8577525
>>8578189
>>8578236
>>8578253
>>8578258
>>8578276
he did this for free!!

[Anonymous No.8578423]

Name ideas for a secret map that is long and crowded
> A series of unfortunate events
> Why we can't have nice things
> Nobody thought it would be like this but it is
> Look mum I'm making a slaughter

[Anonymous No.8578430]

>8578419
Godly mod then

[Anonymous No.8578435]

>>8578423
>This level is shorter than my dick

[Anonymous No.8578457]

SUNDAY NIGHT SHITSHOW TIME FAGGOTS! Tonight we're playing Invasion Unleashed. Come join the shitshow!
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666
51.161.34.159:10666

[Anonymous No.8578472]

>>8578457
>Hot Chick Heaven
why did you have to remind me...

[Anonymous No.8578482]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxCllpZil14

[Anonymous No.8578493]

>>8578423
impacted colon

[Anonymous No.8578501]

>>8578482
>Heretic - Exaggerated Death Scenes
>Thumbnail is a bilinear filtered Witchhaven enemy in a Heretic map with disgusting hi-res textures

[Anonymous No.8578575]

>>8578501
Only somewhat related but
>Heretic with Wayfarer’s Tome
This is great, but I haven’t played Heretic in long enough to forgot just how grey the walls in the first few levels.

[ViolentRumbleAnon !8KaxJ9XaEs No.8578595]

>>8572886
Perfectly understandable. My own efforts on the update have gotten sidetracked by irl stuff. Pecking away at it when I can though.

Oh, can whoever fixed the plasma shambler model re-link it to me? I seem to have lost it and I don't think it made it to the Mega folder.

[Anonymous No.8578618]

>>8575296
If you hold a Caco's anus up next to your ear, you can hear the ocean.

[Anonymous No.8578673]

>>8577930
RIP, I'll keep his spirit on by doing more Chinese accents to myself in my car.

[Anonymous No.8578692]

>>8575296
the soothing sounds of my doom fanfiction

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11731712/1/doomguy-fucks-a-cacodemon

[Anonymous No.8578708]

>>8578118
I always thought it was funny how devs get hung up on the old Duke being sexist, or the old Wang being a racist stereotype. Meanwhile, if it weren't for the copyright limbo, I'd imagine Caleb would be a lot easier to make a game for in this climate. He's just a creepy dude who likes violence and singing show-tunes to himself.

[Anonymous No.8578712]

https://youtu.be/FPi7DrWQ-k0?start=32 wawawa

[Anonymous No.8578747]

>>8578708
Caleb’s likability is solely Weyte’s performance, I can’t imagine anyone else coming close.
Galt made Lo Wang 50% silly old goofer and 50% empowering badass, and I don’t know who could pull this off in this day, either.
>i kill yooooou!!!

[Anonymous No.8578776]

>>8578457
Started to get burned out, hope Hot Chick Heaven is worth it.

[Anonymous No.8578802]

>>8575296
https://youtu.be/2eres7AZEBo

[Anonymous No.8578902]

RIP John Galt

>>8578148
I liked that the enemies in Shadow Warrior '13 were distinct in their roles and not all just a various dudes with guns, like many games of the time period, and that they would require differing strategies. I was really pissed at Shadow Warrior 2 dumbing down the gameplay extraordinarily (and particularly pissed that it's a cutrate Borderlands clone).

In part, like the concept of a young Lo Wang as a cringe Redditor nerd, because that makes it fun to laugh at him when he's made fun of for saying or doing something stupid, but at the same time he does have his cool side. I was kind of hoping that he would grow older and more hardened as the games went, less foolish, more wise, and becoming the confident and sadistic warlord he is in the original.
SW2 doesn't really do that much, beyond making him look older, it also does the awful decision of adding some annoying bitch to nag at him, to work as some sort of 'conscience', which I feel is strongly misguided. Maybe it's just me, but Lo Wang always struck me as a bit of an anti-hero, who doesn't necessarily do the right things because the thinks they're the just and moral thing to do, but more for personal gain and bloodlust (SW13 reflects this better).

I like SW13 a lot, though I do recognize that it has a number of problems, in gameplay but also story and narration (it's mostly decent, but there's some gaps and rough parts). I think it's a game which would be worth maybe remaking, if they got the same voice actors back for Lo Wang and Hoji, and largely kept the plot the same. Then they pretend that SW2 never happened.
I have very reserved expectations for SW3. Given that he seems younger, I wonder if they DMC2'd it and realized they wrote themselves into a shit corner, and just want to avoid the consequences of it, so it doesn't seem like they're going to progress him to the older and cooler Lo Wang any time soon.

[Anonymous No.8578915]

>>8578902
It’s not something I’m in a rush to revisit but I did like 2’s level design over the standard linear shlock, it was fun dashing through the areas.

[Anonymous No.8578917]

>>8578902
i think 90% of SW13's problems come from difficulties scaling enemy health rather than damage. if "insane" enemies had normal tier health but double the damage of "heroic" enemies, it'd be much more pleasant.
the other 10% is the shotgun sucking tremendous ass.

SW2 is still an unbalanced mess and would've been better without the full-on looter shooter elements, but it's sooooooooooooo much more fun with better gunplay and movement than SW13

[Anonymous No.8578928]

>>8578917
It seems like those devs have a big obsession with health bars padding out fights. It makes the weapons feel ineffective and inconsistent, a huge issue with SW2’s gameplay mechanics.

[Anonymous No.8578936]

>>8578928
at least there you can build your character for damage and use guns enemies are weak to to compensate

[Anonymous No.8578952]

>>8578936
If you don’t the game provides a very rough experience, and the random enemy suffixes are the opposite of “consistent”. I at least appreciate it wasn’t full on “millions of guns”.

[Anonymous No.8578980]

>>8578915
Really? In spite of the fact that there's only 10 actual levels in the entire game which get recycled endlessly? I found it frustrating as hell that I ran into the same major level chunks over and over in like a 50 hour game.
SW13's level design could be lacking in inspiration and variety at times, but once you were done with a level you didn't see it again.

>>8578917
It's been a while since I played it, but didn't the enemies hurt a lot more on higher difficulties?

>gunplay
This was a lot better in SW2 in some ways, in that the guns just felt more solid and more satisfying, the guns in SW13 felt pretty floaty and like they were lacking effect. Meanwhile, the shotguns and grenade/rocket launchers in SW2 actually felt very nicely mighty, and the swordplay is nicer (even if that part already felt good in the previous game).

[Anonymous No.8578995]

>>8578980
i never played below insane, but pretty much everything tickles you regardless, and you can heal up as much as you want
enemies dealing even less damage than that is just silly
there is never any danger of death unless you dash down stairs or shoot a barrel next to you

[Anonymous No.8579006]

>>8575296
Are Cacos more of Pantera fans or Exhorder fans?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3JSbOt7CLo

[Anonymous No.8579008]

>>8578980
>Really? In spite of the fact that there's only 10 actual levels in the entire game which get recycled endlessly?
Yeup, absolutely. I’m really fucking bored of this “pretty but linear” level progression that happens all the time in similar shooters so I will take what I can get. I don’t get much out of hallway variety anymore.

[Anonymous No.8579009]

>>8573864
>/vr/ faggottry

[Anonymous No.8579035]

>>8578952
just millions of upgrades

[Anonymous No.8579063]

>>8578902
>nu-shadow Warrior
total garbage,i really tried I'll let you check my steam,but its just total shit.
it tries to be 3 things,a modern shooter,a more classic shooter,and a first person hack and slash and it does all 3 poorly,the guns are total shit,the melee is unfun and gives me more strain than emacs,and the modern and retro elements don't mix well at all.
and 2 mixes it slightly better,but i agree the borderlands shit ruins it,like one step forward,five back.
>well the enemies aren't just dudes!
thats good for its time,but thats honestly something that shouldn't need to be complimented here.

[Anonymous No.8579107]

>>8579008
I can see the dislike for dolled up linear levels (and SW13's aren't anything special), but open levels with nothing but the same content over and over (meaning there's close to zero exploration by ratio), and brainless combat, it rubbed me in all the wrong ways.

>>8579063
>and a first person hack and slash
I probably don't have a great frame of reference because I have basically played no such games otherwise, and i also went in completely blind, with no expectations at all.

>thats good for its time,but thats honestly something that shouldn't need to be complimented here
Fair point. Again though, I'll say that even though I like the game, I also think there's a lot of room for improvement.

[Anonymous No.8579148]

>Played Wolfenstein 3D and was okay-ish, Spear of Destiny was most of the same so halted midway through, Return to Castle Wolfenstein didn't even work so just refunded it
I was wondering if I should get one of the DOOM games now on the new year's sale, I don't know if I would really like the original and sequel after playing this much of Wolfenstein but DOOM 64 looked to be a more serious tone on the style, is it any good and worth buying? is it a poorly done port that needs community made installs to work properly?

[Anonymous No.8579165]

>>8579148
>Return to Castle Wolfenstein didn't even work so just refunded it
What did you buy it on? You can literally play that on an 8 year old phone.
Look up iortcw, port for PC and such that should work.

[Anonymous No.8579168]

>>8579148
Oh, and Doom64 is a great port that runs flawlessly for me.

[Anonymous No.8579265]

>>8578098

[Anonymous No.8579312]

>>8578457
I love you /doom/

[Anonymous No.8579313]

>>8578457
We've reached the Promised Land, boys!

[Anonymous No.8579321]

>>8579313
And it is glorious. This is what /vr/ was made for.

[Anonymous No.8579327]

>>8579321
One more

[Anonymous No.8579328]

i'm cum

[Anonymous No.8579329]

*with image

[Anonymous No.8579330]

>>8578457
One for the history books, lads.

[Anonymous No.8579412]

>>8577553
Played Hell Ground a few days ago. Very pretty wad especially for the time but I wasn't a huge fan of the action

[Anonymous No.8579426]

Nu-Shadow Warrior and FEAR discussions got me curious, are there any relatively modern shooters you guys are fans of? Modern in a design sense, not stuff thats still retro style like Dusk, Ion Fury, etc

[Anonymous No.8579434]

>>8579426
Well, I like Doom 2016 / Eternal and Deep Rock Galactic.

[Anonymous No.8579449]

>>8579426
STALKER
It almost plays like a weird blend of tactical and arena shooting at times and it has a pretty big modding scene which lends to high replay value. The atmosphere is top notch too

[Anonymous No.8579451]

https://twitter.com/E1M1magazine/status/1487866897551044608?t=e0g5KPW8I5c5bnxEaF7yQg&s=19
F

[Anonymous No.8579464]

>>8579426
Seconding Stalker and Deep Rock. I like Insurgency 1 coop.

[Anonymous No.8579467]

>>8579009
>/vr/ fps faggotry

[Anonymous No.8579469]

>>8579426
Titanfall 2 did the unthinkable and made me love platforming in a shooter. Plus I'm a big Mecha guy so using the robots is a lot of fun.

[Anonymous No.8579482]

>>8579426
Far Cry 3, love it a lot. 4 wasn't as good, 5 looked a lot worse, and I've basically not touched the series since Blood Dragon.

>>8579467
We're quite experienced at that!

[Anonymous No.8579494]

>>8579426
Thirding stalker, I liked it so much I threw together DMM:AE years ago and I've also made a few anomaly plugins. Shame that the shadows are all fucked up if you increase the FoV. Also into a lot of indie stuff, big fan of 6DOF. Been looking into picking up desecrators but I have issues with Early Access games.

[Anonymous No.8579497]

Was Mitzi actually put down in 1993?

[Anonymous No.8579498]

>>8579330
Absolutely worth it.

[Anonymous No.8579506]

>>8579467
>Today's SNS ended with everyone watching yuri hentai in a theatre
We're pretty good at that kind of thing

[Anonymous No.8579510]

>>8579312
>>8579313
>>8579321
>>8579327
>>8579330
>>8579329

What WAD is this?

[Anonymous No.8579513]

>>8573864
bros...

[Anonymous No.8579514]

>>8579510
This was Invasion Unleashed

[Anonymous No.8579526]

>>8573864
>rendering chaingunner depth
>plutonia probably chaingunners
>terrible secret retard
>technically cacos listen
>god felt enough door textures
>nigger tried balance

[Anonymous No.8579532]

>>8579526
>>plutonia probably chaingunners
You best fucking believe there will be chaingunners.

[Anonymous No.8579538]

>>8573823
How is the Quake Remaster? is it faithful to the original?

[Anonymous No.8579546]

>>8578915
Handcrafted linear > procgen nonlinear

[Anonymous No.8579547]

>>8577686
yknow this actually kinda works. i can easily imagine doomguy immediately growing bored of and escaping heaven so he can go back to killing demons in his own dimension. the fact that he can never come back and can only go to hell after would be a perk for him

[Anonymous No.8579557]

>>8579546
>”””handcrafted””” linear
It’s often boring straightforward fuckery, puts me to sleep. Interesting level design >>>>> uninspired randomshit > uninspired linear shit. I don’t spend much time in games with the last two anyways.

[Anonymous No.8579560]

>>8579538
If you’re weird you’ll notice it’s a bit brighter and saturated. If you have it Quakespasm you’re not missing much besides a new episode.

[Anonymous No.8579562]

>>8579426
I'm not a zoomer so i don't play non oldchool garbage.

[Anonymous No.8579570]

>>8578917
I played SW2013 in NG+ mode, fully upgraded the shotgun, and it still sucked dick. Really, I think they expect you to just main the sword and use the guns as accessories.

[Anonymous No.8579586]

>>8579426
I dunno if G String counts, since that's basically just reskinned HL2, and HL2 is old enough to be on /vr/. I'm can enjoy myself with a wide variety of shit though, I voluntarily replayed Operation Matriarchy (the modded version, albeit).

[Anonymous No.8579607]

>>8579107
other than nu-DOOM and tf2,theres not much.

[Anonymous No.8579618]

>>8574465

[Anonymous No.8579658]

What are some good Duke 3D custom maps/campaigns?

[Anonymous No.8579686]

LINEAR BAD
OPEN WORLD GOOD

[Anonymous No.8579692]

FEAR is the worst Monolith fps.
Why do /v/ zoomies love it so much?

[Anonymous No.8579693]

>>8579686
This but unironically. I tried playing through Halo and Star Wars Republic Commando recently and just couldn't. Hallway shooting is boring as sin.

[Anonymous No.8579705]

>>8579692
It was really good a making them feel smart.

[Anonymous No.8579707]

>>8579686
a REAL game can do both
no, i can't name any because video games suck

[Anonymous No.8579708]

>>8579705
So zoomie garbage then?

[Anonymous No.8579710]

>>8579692
>>8579708
>Zoom zoom zoomie zoomer zoomer???! XZOOMIE!!!
Why can't you just speak english like a normal person instead of using these "oomer" words like a fucking queer?

[Anonymous No.8579712]

>>8579710
Imagine liking FEAR lmao

[Anonymous No.8579717]

>>8579712
First of all, I never said I liked it. Second, you haven't presented any information as to why you think it's bad. You just stated "it's bad" and then made up some strawman demographic that likes the game. Your posts don't offer any insightful discussion and add nothing of value to the thread or the board at large.
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.8579718]

>>8579717
It's linear and lacks enemy and setting variety.

[Anonymous No.8579720]

>>8579717
didn't read lmao zoomer

[Anonymous No.8579724]

>>8579718
See, now you have a point. It's not really elaborated on that much, but it's better than the dime a dozen one-liner "game is good/bad" posts that you see on shittier boards. But unfortunately, I can't really discuss further with you because I never played fear.

[Anonymous No.8579726]

>>8579560
i recently bought the remastered and was just wondering if it was faithful, id rather not have to install sourceports since im on a shitty laptop with an arm processor

[Anonymous No.8579734]

GZDoom is unironically the worst source port.

[Anonymous No.8579770]

>>8578223
Probably. Although it doesn't look really fun to me: like I said, it's just "another mid 2000 shooter". Meh.
>>8578248
>GZDoom really isn't the engine to pull that off.
As much as I admire the use of "older" engines (either actually old ones or source ports), it's hard to deny how ultimately its too rough to work out the project you desire. However, that's more about the scope. Doesn't mean you shouldn't just go and use Unity instead: you don't have to be such a tryhard.
>Selaco won't even have that, really.
Fine by me. As long as it wouldn't be viewed as the "next big thing" for future retro FPS games. Because that would be "going full circle" in a bad way, at least to me.
>>8579538
You mean re-release? It's alright. Pretty much Quake's analog of DOOM's "Unity ports": decent option for newcomers, lazy dorks & console users.
>>8579734
I thought Doomsday is much worse.

[Anonymous No.8579782]

>>8579734
GZDoom is the only port I've tried that actually had a sufficiently fast mouselook. I want to play Ad Mortem but it's unplayable on the supported ports.

[Anonymous No.8579831]

>>8578118
>Hard Reset
There's a game in fucking forgot about.

[Anonymous No.8579834]

>>8579734
I think that goes to ports that are more questionable in niche, like Doom Retro

[Anonymous No.8579841]

>>8578267
It seems like they're doing to scripting route, similar to FEAR, which means that it all depends on how smart they are with scripting.
FEAR nailed AI for the era because despite being artificial it seemed very intelligent. It was, at the time, the pinnacle of faking it.
I just started a new play through for the first time in maybe a decade and it still stands up against modern games AI as far as combat is concerned.

[Anonymous No.8579846]

>>8578457
Been watching a lot of sailor moon. Sad I missed this one.

[Anonymous No.8579850]

>>8579841
I'll also add that FEAR had god tier gun feel. However you want to break that down. The use of particles, sound, heavy rag dolls, physics, whatever. Gun fights felt weighty and solid. Something that's missing from a lot of games and isn't replicated well by simply adding screen effects and camera shake.

[Anonymous No.8579851]

>>8579686
Play Strife for that sweet spot.

[Anonymous No.8579860]

>>8579841
Standing up to modern AI isn't really difficult though since if anything AI has gotten worse in games.

[Anonymous No.8579916]

>>8579841
FEAR also had level design that accomodated said AI, it wasn't all scripting. office-type levels and squad encounters meant that if you don't rush in, the enemies would spread out, but if you do, they would have easier time flanking you.
the combat aftermath is also way above most modern games.
sequels were a massive downgrade in every regard.

[Anonymous No.8579943]

>>8579916
Technically it was scripting but it wasn't all hard scripting like you got in say HL1. Depending on the situation, they had interactions with map elements they might use.

It was still a lot of fakery to make them seem way more intelligent than they were but that obviously paid off.

There was also some hard scripted stuff with the combat, usually shit like the heavy armor enemies busting through doors and starting a mini boss fight.

[Anonymous No.8579950]

>>8579943
that's novelty stuff, equivalent of a monster closet. not the game's fault people mistake that for AI. callouts and turning over furniture is flavour.
actual AI is taking cover, spreading out, advancing, flanking, throwing grenades. it IS better than in most other games.

[Anonymous No.8579962]

>>8579950
>not the game's fault people mistake that for AI.
I think it was in the marketing somewhere but even so people have spent nearly 17 years running with it.

[Anonymous No.8579974]

Is Xash3D a source port of half-life? What benefits does it have? Does it support bunny hopping?

[Anonymous No.8580000]

>>8576667
>>8578401
Playtesting feedback for Made Away Themselves anon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wBi2Y4wTvIu89Je2Ci0DEcA3a6i29vJf/view?usp=sharing

[Anonymous No.8580010]

>>8578595
https://mega.nz/file/4S5QECwQ#DFdTlugz2l96SRBwDVELMYhUDatwfvPa-EFgi3pxNUY

[Anonymous No.8580026]

>>8578423
>Ah shit, here we go again

[Anonymous No.8580042]

>>8579607
i wrote this before i went to bed,this is for >>8579426,i am a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.8580074]

>>8580000
Thank you for the feedback. Especially thank you for finding the skips. That one by the bloodpool lift was embarrassingly obvious.

Also, the Archvile carousel.. in the imp/knight fight I give you a tutorial what will happen if you blow up the barrels. There's a way to make the fight a lot easier. (make sure you have the latest version from the drive)

As for cheesing the last fight, that's troubling. I'll have to figure out a solution. Also there's a secret to be found from riding the top of the lift before the archvile carousel, so that little trip is deliberate.

[Anonymous No.8580079]

>>8580000
The lava platforms in the valley of pain do damage, but it's -2 vs -20 of the lava. They're mostly to just pressure you (since you almost always have a lot of health and armor if you're not blowing yourself up) to keep moving.

In the valley, there are already monster blocking linedefs. The best answer is to either make room for yourself, or switch to the only other weapon I give you (which is in a secret).

As for those platforms, they're tied to a secret. All of the secrets in this map are tied to environmental cues and/or just being aware of your surroundings. The only one you can find by wall humping is an untagged secret.

[Anonymous No.8580083]

Just for fun I tried to see if I could get Invasion Unleashed to play nice with Dakka, I sort of managed it.

Fuller auto became fullest auto.

[Anonymous No.8580089]

>>8579426
I like Ultrakill but I can't play many other shooters because of it

>inb4 Ultrashill

[Anonymous No.8580123]

>>8580000
I've also re-engineered the archvile carousel to make the fight more directly controllable by the player, but with the same dire consequences if you don't understand the gimmick and fuck everything up.

[Anonymous No.8580192]

Does anyone have that image that compares the original boomer shooters in terms of difficulty, I've seen it from time to time but can't find it now that I need it.

[Anonymous No.8580238]

>>8577930
Rest in peace legend

[Anonymous No.8580267]

>>8577930
Rest in peace

[Anonymous No.8580270]

>>8579451
CHUCKLEFUCKS :(

i hope they had at least recored his lines for SW3 as Old Wang

[Anonymous No.8580292]

>>8580238
>>8580267
>>8580270
Dude was only a year or so older than Stephen Weyte too.

[Anonymous No.8580319]

>>8579770
>Probably. Although it doesn't look really fun to me: like I said, it's just "another mid 2000 shooter"
If it’s taking after those it could suck, and the FEAR marketing doesn’t help. If it’s more inspired by RTCW and Perfect Dark - a few “modern” shooters before the mid 2000 tropes ruined everything - I may be happy.
>As long as it wouldn't be viewed as the "next big thing" for future retro FPS games. Because that would be "going full circle" in a bad way, at least to me.
Hedon, Citadel, Ion Fury, Supplice, Selaco…’Girls with guns in not-always-linear levels’ seems to be the biggest thing at the moment.

[Anonymous No.8580331]

>>8580319
Also junk like Viscerafest too.

[Anonymous No.8580343]

>>8580331
Fits the “girl with gun” trope but in depressingly linear levels.

[Anonymous No.8580363]

How do I git gud at Serious Sam? I'm on the third level of TFE, on hard, but I already feel demoralized. I've beaten plenty of shooters on their harder difficulties, and died more times in them total than I have here so far, but never before has a shooter given me such a sense of "I can't do this".

[Anonymous No.8580404]

>>8580363
Play on Serious, you get more ammo. Secrets make it a lot easier too.

[Anonymous No.8580406]

I fucking hate the earrape plasmarifle sound, what are some good alternatives?

[Anonymous No.8580412]

>>8580363
Don't play on hard, either play on normal or serious. You get double the ammo in serious.
What's giving you the most trouble right now?

[Anonymous No.8580417]

>>8580406
You can't go wrong with Doom 3's plasma sound.

[Anonymous No.8580421]

>>8580404
>>8580412
>Serious gives you double ammo
Well, shit., Thanks. I guess I'll focus on finding more secrets too.

>What's giving you the most trouble right now?
It was the room in Tomb of Ramses full of Kleers that eventually drop in Marshhoppers.

Think I'll start over on Serious though and grab more secrets because of these tips. Hopefully, I can get serious.

[Anonymous No.8580424]

>>8580363
Learn which weapon fits which enemy and situation and switch accordingly
Also develop paranoid schizophrenia, assume behind every corner is a Kleer(because there probably is, this is TFE we're talking about)

[Anonymous No.8580428]

>>8580421
grab the secret double barrel and rocket launcher + ammo on the first level those will help tremendously

[Anonymous No.8580438]

>>8580421
>Tomb of Ramses
I remember when the final Kleer room kicked my ass. The key to beating that room is being just as aggressive as the Kleer and hunting them down before they can all spawn.
That's typically the trick with SS in general. Never give the enemies the time to move around or they will murder you.

[Anonymous No.8580439]

>>8580424
I can deal with Kleers. What I hate are the Marshhoppers.

>>8580428
Found the second before; not the first. Guess I'll search harder.

[Anonymous No.8580442]

>>8580363
>>8580428
You can kill red bio-mechanoids pretty quickly even with nothing but the pistol(s) if you shoot their rockets as they fire them.

[Anonymous No.8580461]

>>8580428
And the tommygun. That helps so much against frogs.

[Anonymous No.8580468]

Was the original Dr Schabbs in Wolf3D modelled after Sandy Petersen?

[Anonymous No.8580474]

>>8580438
I heard another anon say this a while ago but when playing serious sam you basically have to develop eyes on the back of your head. Really helpful when fighting bigger hordes of kleer because you need to learn how to predict their movements when they get behind you.

[Anonymous No.8580486]

>>8580468
Sandy wasn't at id until after Wolfenstein released.

[Anonymous No.8580612]

Just played 2048 units of /vr/, that was fucking awesome, love the weapon replacements
Can I somehow etract them and play other wads with em?

[Anonymous No.8580617]

why did romero make sigil in doom1 not doom2

[Anonymous No.8580621]

>>8580617
Based retard

[Anonymous No.8580624]

>>8580617

[Anonymous No.8580646]

>>8580612
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/combos/2048guns

I also have a dehacked version lying around, though I'm not sure if it's the most recent one:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/bd75o48vrse5hyc/vr2048guns_deh.zip/file

[Anonymous No.8580649]

>>8580646
Sweet, thanks man
Did you make these? That rocketlauncher is pure sex

[Anonymous No.8580653]

>>8579962
>spent nearly 17 years running with it
The game flat out tells you in the loading screen that the callouts are just to let you know the status of the enemy. Niggas can't read.

[Anonymous No.8580670]

>>8580649
>Did you make these?
nope

[Anonymous No.8580736]

Best Bobby Prince track?

At Doom's Gate? Sign of Evil? The Healer's Stalk? Into Sandy's City? City Streets? Aliens, Say Your Prayers? Excalibur?

[Anonymous No.8580746]

>>8580736
The Demons From Adrian's Pen

[Anonymous No.8580882]

>>8580736
Aliens, say your prayers

[Anonymous No.8580978]

>>8579546
SW2 wasn't even procgen non-linear, it was fake procgen because it had like three or four different chunks for each level type, which were then rotated and assembled together. Not only was this grossly repetitive and meant that all exploration was consistently the same (treasure chests and monster spawns remain in the same spots each time), there were actually lots of bugs and problems with the joining of these large chunks.

SW2 really has incredibly bad level design for a first person shooter, this is the kind of effort I would have expected from Capstone if they were resurrected as evil cyborgs in the 2010s.

[Anonymous No.8580984]

>>8579782
Sounds like a problem with your mouse DPI.

[Anonymous No.8581027]

>>8580319
Supplice has that usual Mechadon's mapping style. It's less linear than 90% of wads.

[Anonymous No.8581073]

im sorry but doom1 is fucking boring

[Anonymous No.8581082]

>>8580617
He did it just to fuck with Revae. REKKR had 4 episodes, so his own game had to have one more episode than REKKR. "Doom had to be bigger than that viking game, just like my knob is bigger than that viking guy's knob" Romero said on an interview.

[Anonymous No.8581085]

>>8580319
>If it’s taking after those it could suck
Well, that's what it seems like to me. You know, the general feel I get from seeing the gameplay.
>RTCW
Should play it at some point. Wonder how fun stealth missions are.
>’Girls with guns in not-always-linear levels’
Yeah, that's annoying. I didn't have problems with Shelly: I thought she was fine, but I think I can see where people coming from when criticising or shitting on her.
Also I remember that one time when Selaco developer got a bit salty or something in 3DR Discord server when someone pointed out the clear similarities between that game's protagonist and Shelly. lol
>>8580617
Because he wanted you to ask about it, anon.

[Anonymous No.8581106]

>>8581027
I wonder if the team is making any effort to keep him in line or if they're just letting him go all-out
he's a technically great mapper, but with the sheer scale he tends to operate on, even playing ten of his maps in a row would be utterly exhausting

[Anonymous No.8581130]

>>8580617
So he can make Sigil 2 in Doom 2

[Anonymous No.8581152]

How many of these upcoming retro shooters are made by Doom mappers?

[Anonymous No.8581167]

Anyone wanting to try Return to Castle Wolfenstein, that shits like a $1.25 on GMG right now so pick it up for cheap

[Anonymous No.8581175]

>>8581027
It was a lot of fun, too. They can take the time they need on it.
>>8581085
>Well, that's what it seems like to me.
You already made that clear, didn’t you?

[Anonymous No.8581197]

>>8580736
Gazz

[Anonymous No.8581212]

>>8580319
>’Girls with guns in not-always-linear levels’ seems to be the biggest thing at the moment.
This is the lamest thing for me.
Male protags can be cringy at times, but 99% of the time female protags are cringy.
It's like all of the development time these virgins had went into ripping off better games and didn't have any left to allocate into researching female behaviour.
If they did, we might've gotten a woman with actual style and not some creep's domme/ quirky fantasy.
Think of the Greek mythology. You'll never see anything resembling Hera, Athena or Artemis, personality-wise in video games, and these are perfect archetypes if you want a strong female character.
A game doesn't need to have a big plot to have a stylish protagonist, but it's depressing how often we get shit females.

[Anonymous No.8581220]

>>8581212
>This is the lamest thing for me.
Sucks to be you, retard.

[Anonymous No.8581231]

>>8581130
Quake Sigil when?

[Anonymous No.8581238]

You are all such fags

[Anonymous No.8581245]

>>8581212
>strong female character
Three words combined that can't make sense.

[Anonymous No.8581249]

>>8581212
The real problem with female protagonists is that I can't self insert.

[Anonymous No.8581254]

>>8581212
Oddly, all they would have to do to make them not total cringe is sexualize them. Whether that be the Bayonetta style stripper shit or a more classical femininity, the thing that modern female characters lack that makes them cringe is expression of their sexuality. God forbid a woman have a nice rack and not act like a man though, it's current year+7.
>>8581245
Also this to some extent, making a convincing female character for an action game is an order of magnitude harder than making a male one because we all know that, IRL, women typically are risk-averse when it comes to violence and not overly daring.

[Anonymous No.8581271]

>>8581212
They are cool in vogue oatmeal protags. Every wannabe writer\creator has their own female snowflake grill heroine lurking in the back of their heads.
But to honest were western bald shit head male protags of the ps3 era any better? You know the faggots stuff like infamous etc.
So yeah in oprder to not compete with legendary male protags you make a safe female one.

[Anonymous No.8581276]

>>8581271
Gruffguy McGravelvoice was at least not cringe. He was the video game equivalent of the chalk filling in a medicine tablet, but he didn't taste like shit.

[Anonymous No.8581296]

>>8581276
Maybe women just cringe you in general, and it can’t be helped. Thankfully you’re on 4chan and in appropriate company.

[Anonymous No.8581307]

>>8581296
Nah he has a point even if not delivered well. But I think its more of a question of writer incompetence most of the time.

[Anonymous No.8581308]

>>8581296
Women are pretty cringe IRL as well, yes. You would know this if you ever associated with them. However, IRL I can put my cock in them if I endure the cringe, I can't do that with an OC donutsteel dyke protag for indie Doom ripoff #2432

[Anonymous No.8581315]

>>8581254
>more classical femininity
Examples?

[Anonymous No.8581320]

Well the fix is very easy. Make a whore with guns, basically channel that eve, mary helen sophia on a bad day and be ready to be put on the cross of coomerism and deviancy.

[Anonymous No.8581324]

>>8581315
>>8581212
>readniggaread.jpg

[Anonymous No.8581327]

>>8581307
>But I think its more of a question of writer incompetence most of the time.
That’ll be the reason for the lack of funny in Postal 4, the new Shadow Warriors, and Serious Sam 4 though I did chuckle at the “other shoe to drop” joke

[Anonymous No.8581332]

>>8581327
Some of that isn't incompetence so much as it is being unable to write anything funny because execs fear twitter mobs more than they fear bad ratings.

[Anonymous No.8581337]

>>8581245
As in well-written, not physically powerful.
>>8581249
Not necessarily, there are plenty of male protagonists I can't self insert into but are pretty cool.
>>8581254
I agree.
>>8581271
Nope, those are shit tier as well.
Oddly enough, female side characters and antagonists are much, much better than female protagonists.
There are some nice female protagonists as well, but sadly the one I remember (and like) most is Karan S'jet from Homeworld and her entire personality is being void of any personality.
Meanwhile, everyone knows Shodan and people really liked Viktoria in Thief or Morrigan in Dragon Age.
It seems female characters excel when they're attributed to a typically female role, which usually isn't "FPS hero".
>>8581276
They were though. That US MARINE shit really fucking sucked dick.

[Anonymous No.8581345]

>>8581337
Oh yeah the fellating of the US military was cringe as fuck but that wasn't the character so much as the plot. The thing that defined those characters was their total lack of anything resembling a personality, near-identical appearance, stupid gravel voice, and psychopathic disengagement from violence.

[Anonymous No.8581348]

>>8581332
Sounds pretty incompetent honestly

[Anonymous No.8581352]

>>8581308
You are mixing up women with teen girls, my son.
As for the topic itself: I like Supplice, because it's basically a blockbuster megawad with pro mappers, nice texture set and neat new monsters and guns. The fact is the protag male or female doesn't change the experience for me. Selaco's gameplay looked also cool, so I'm gonna try that. Couldn't care less about protag.

[Anonymous No.8581359]

>>8581348
If you've ever worked in a corporate environment you'd know it isn't. It doesn't matter what you want to do when Boomer Joe the CEO who shook hands into his position thirty years ago and hasn't touched a computer since says "I don't want those people my daughter talks about on the tweeters to call me sexist".
>>8581352
No I'm not. I'm fucking 35 and women are cringe. they've been cringe since I was 12 and have only gotten worse with age.

[Anonymous No.8581369]

>>8581352
>Couldn't care less about protag.
Some of the lines she spouted weren’t too encouraging. If the game’s good enough I’ll just bump it off, if I’m THAT triggered by it I’ll create jokey AI replacements.

[Anonymous No.8581373]

>>8581359
>If you've ever
Nice try faggot but id you can’t write “humor” without being blatently offensive then you suck, they’re talentless humorless hacks and you’re a hopeless tasteless fuckboy.

[Anonymous No.8581376]

>>8581373
>blatently offensive
Okay so you're one of the twitter bots I was talking about then, got it.

[Anonymous No.8581383]

>>8581376
You can assume what you want, schizoid.

[Anonymous No.8581409]

[Anonymous No.8581413]

>>8580736
Into Sandy's City.

Lee Jackson was still better than Bobby.

[Anonymous No.8581415]

Yeah I'd still rather take cringey women protagonists over bald same-face 7th gen marine man, at least cringe can fire some kind of neuron that would register as brain activity as opposed to complete brick wall nothing

[Anonymous No.8581417]

>>8581231
After Sigil 2.

[Anonymous No.8581427]

>>8581327
I mean, Postal 2 writing really wasn't very funny, either. The humor comes purely in what you can do in-game.

[Anonymous No.8581435]

>>8581415
And every single one of those women look different, at least.

[Anonymous No.8581441]

>>8579426
CoD: Black Ops, particularly 2 and 3

[Anonymous No.8581443]

>>8581409

[Anonymous No.8581447]

>>8581427
The only shooter I found to be geniunely funny was Shadow Warrior
>takushan balls, shukoooooooooosi penis
>that “shuriken” bit

[Anonymous No.8581452]

>>8581443

[Anonymous No.8581461]

>>8581415
i still give hedon credit for adding an half orc demon chick because the problem with "black haired or bald 7th gen white guy" is that the alternatives (what if it's a black girl?) are still lazy because the playable character will always default to a boring realistic human/soldier in a generic fps or moviegame by ubisoft/activision/ea/sony/etc
you don't have to make it a furry or robot, just make the human in itself interesting

[Anonymous No.8581471]

>>8581332
This is it really, this will be world for the next 200 years or more. And age of consensus and hypocrisy. Scapegoating becomes second nature. Sometimes introspection and going against the grain is what creates good protag material either gender. These protags are not bad because they are women. They are bad because they are safe and crowd approved.

Honestly lots of women side characters from other fps and games in general could make good protags. Even the blandest of them all alyx. She has something going on at least.
To completely disregard the protag is even worse. It sets the tone.

[Anonymous No.8581475]

>>8581461
hedon and citadel are two weird extremes to come out of this mess, they’re very appreciated.

[Anonymous No.8581478]

why do people hate brutal doom so much? it gets repetitive pretty fast but otherwise I hardly get the hat desu

[Anonymous No.8581481]

>>8581471
Pathetic rally attempt, anon. /v/ would be better for these kinds of posts.

[Anonymous No.8581485]

>>8581478
it spawned the "dOeS tHiS wOrK wItH bRuTaL dOoM?" crowd
the mod itself it fine

[Anonymous No.8581486]

>>8581212
Its time you realise that your opinion is actually just fear of women

[Anonymous No.8581487]

>>8581478
Project Brutality is better, and Project Babel and Hideous Destructor are both way fucking better.

[Anonymous No.8581490]

>>8581461
>>8581475

Zan is nothing special either except for the fact its a shemale futa perfect for new audiences.
If people want two interesting female protags look at Vermintide either flame witch and the elf get amazing written dialogue and characterisation with the other guys.

Again I still think its a writer incompetence issue mostly. Disregarding modern zeitgeist.

[Anonymous No.8581492]

>>8581485
ah I get it
>>8581487
thx for the recs

[Anonymous No.8581497]

>>8581490
I found Hired Gun to have a rugged and appealing protagonist as well. I wish all these Warhammer shooters were better.

[Anonymous No.8581507]

>>8581497
Vermintide is a decent game.

The elf and flame witch are amazing in it. They ooze character and badassery without the issues of modern triple A safeTM female protags.

[Anonymous No.8581528]

>>8581507
>Vermintide is a decent game.
Boring L4D linear progression, friends and I couldn’t get into it. Maybe it would’ve helped if we hadn’t put so much time into both L4Ds.

[Anonymous No.8581535]

>>8581528
You should give another try its pretty decent. And the great dialogue helps. But i understand your issues. Sadly we live in the mutiplayer coop bilge transition era into streaming and nfts.

[Anonymous No.8581541]

>>8581475
in a way, this arguement about diversity in games reminds me of smash talk (yes i know) and how people came up with meme terms like "scrimblo bimblo" or something
because there are games where main characters can be more interesting, whether it has to do with gameplay, aesthetic, story, animation or just marketing mascots
even fps characters can be interesting but what makes this genre is that you don't really see the protagonist because he or she is you
maybe that's why fps started to have less effort into characters as years went by
sometimes indie games can suffer because you can tell they want to "defy" a certain status, but can still conform to another
you just need to "read the room" better if you really want to be unique
or sometimes just be confident and make something solid enough
>>8581478
someone show this guy the /vr/ posts cointaining all the bugs and awkward balance

[Anonymous No.8581570]

>>8581490
>Zan is nothing special either except for the fact its a shemale futa perfect for new audiences.
We need more canon futa in video games. What do we have besides Zan and Kainé?

[Anonymous No.8581576]

>>8581570
Poison?

[Anonymous No.8581585]

>>8581570
we need other fetishes in games

[Anonymous No.8581602]

WTF Skillsaw, I thought we were friends.

[Anonymous No.8581603]

>>8581585
fluffy girl clothes malfunction

[Anonymous No.8581631]

>>8581535
>You should give another try its pretty decent.
It certainly is and the melee is fun. But the map progression is boring and this rapes the replayability. Deep Rock and its variety has spoiled me.

[Anonymous No.8581639]

>>8581631
It would have made a great singleplayer melee fps. But the only way to make money is to make multiplayer shit its so sad.

[Anonymous No.8581652]

>>8581415
It would be funny if someone made a parody shooter with Gears-styled meatheads that look like that one dude from Battleborn, and they'd never stop yelling and talking about honor and the military
The trick would be to make the game actually good too

[Anonymous No.8581657]

>>8581576
More a shemale.

>>8581585
Like, a girl with a dog partner that it's heavily implied she fucks?
Or a shortstack protag?

[Anonymous No.8581658]

>>8581652
Well Elex 2 is coming out so.

[Anonymous No.8581662]

>>8581657
Shemale and futa are pretty much the same thing.

[Anonymous No.8581669]

>>8581254
>Oddly, all they would have to do to make them not total cringe is sexualize them
If every single game didnt do that until the mid-00s to appeal to teen boys, people wouldnt be overcorrecting now.

[Anonymous No.8581675]

>>8581167
It's even cheaper for me on Steam, but I'm not in a hurry.

[Anonymous No.8581679]

>>8581254
I love Bayo. She is just the right amount of cringe but with a veneer of self awareness very much like Dante.

Both deserved a game together.

[Anonymous No.8581682]

>>8581662
Shemales are for fucking. And have smaller dicks.
Futa are for doing the fucking. And have huge dicks.

Far as I see it.

[Anonymous No.8581695]

>>8581490
>except for the fact its a shemale futa perfect for new audiences.
The developer probably spent more time drawing her colossal dick than they did on half of the enemies in Hedon.

[Anonymous No.8581697]

>>8581657
how about a cute clown girl protag haha
give her a cute shota sidekick while at it rofl

[Anonymous No.8581718]

>>8581695
Should have just made her huge blue cock the melee weapon instead of an axe. Just have her use it as a club.

[Anonymous No.8581720]

>>8581695
I don't mind the game even if will never play it. I gave it a far chance. But that type of world of warcraft coomer janner vibe is really gross. Well it exists.

[Anonymous No.8581726]

>>8581490
does hedon protag actually have a cock or are you trying to be funny

[Anonymous No.8581728]

[Anonymous No.8581736]

>>8581728
LTG is also cringe but that's because you can practically feel the autism dripping off of it through the screen. You could replace the women with fursonas and it would feel exactly the same to look at.

[Anonymous No.8581737]

>>8581726
She was an existing OC of the game's creator, and he drew several porn pics of her prior to the game, all in which she is a futa with a huge blue dick.

[Anonymous No.8581757]

>>8581737
did some digging and yeah you're right lmao
but also it's a shame that hedon dev or should I say yuffa sucks at drawing and even I dont find his futas appealing

[Anonymous No.8581852]

How do I run REKKR sunken lands on crispy/chocolate?
I tried
>-deh REKKRSL.deh -iwad REKKRSL.iwad
and it doesnt start

[Anonymous No.8581873]

>Ultimate Doom release date April 30 1995
>WAD file date 25 May 1995
?????

[Anonymous No.8581879]

>>8581852
use ultimate doom as the iwad, and use -merge Rekkrsl.wad, for some reason Sunken Land no longer works as an IWAD in vanilla/chocolate, but it still does as a PWAD

[Anonymous No.8581884]

>>8581736
Playing any doom wad makes me feel autistic in general

[Anonymous No.8581890]

So from this board I gathered:
>female protagonists are cringe
>generic bald military guys are boring
>nuDoom Slayer, nuShadow Warrior Lo Wang, Quake Champions Ranger and newest Serious Sam are all cringe too
I don't see how old Doom Guy, Quake Ranger and others like that are any different from generic bald military guys except for their appearance that you don't even see in-game. What does this mean? Duke, Lo Wang and Caleb are the only good FPS protags.

[Anonymous No.8581895]

>>8581890
nuDoom Slayer was okay until Eternal. Doom guy is a noncharacter because he's supposed to be you, same with Ranger. OG Build FPS characters are at least funny and made to be endearing in different ways.

[Anonymous No.8581897]

>>8581879
I did
>deh REKKRSL.deh -merge REKKSL.wad -iwad DOOM.wad
And it doesn't work properly
I see the UDoom title screen and then it crashes

[Anonymous No.8581914]

>>8581890
in my defense, i'm a bit of an aspie myself so it could be typical autist reactions
though i think the problem with the doomslayer is that id clearly focused on death battle reactions to make him sound so cool, when if anything, doomguy being "doomed" at the same time he's a strong guy is the appeal
at least the issues with the ancient gods could put a stop at people thinking doom "has" to be better at everything than any other series
doom could in theory be "more epic" but still

[Anonymous No.8581921]

>>8581895
>Doom guy is a noncharacter because he's supposed to be you, same with Ranger
People forget that nowadays.

[Anonymous No.8581925]

>>8581895
>>8581921
But that is also a defense you can use in favor of the generic bald military guys.

[Anonymous No.8581927]

>>8581925
Not in a game with cutscenes where they try to emote and express themselves without player agency behind it.

[Anonymous No.8581929]

>>8581925
Doubt it. Because i don't remember any of those generic bald military guys ever meant to be (You). At least, i don't remember ever mentioning that is the case.

[Anonymous No.8581942]

>>8581927
>>8581929
Obviously not exactly the same but it's the same idea as the generic JRPG young silent boy. He is there in the cutscenes, emoting and all, but it's still obviously a self insert. Generic bald military guys are made to make you feel like a military badass inserted into the game world.

[Anonymous No.8581948]

>>8581914
>doomguy being "doomed" at the same time he's a strong guy is the appeal
Yes.
Also yes.

[Anonymous No.8581951]

Having an emoting protagonist when I have no control over their emotions (Outside of RPG essentially) is cringe. Most of the time it just comes as an equivalent of laugh track, telling me how to feel.

[Anonymous No.8581952]

>>8581897
I adjusted for paths when I ran it, but

chocolate-doom -deh REKKRSL.deh -merge REKKRSL.iwad -iwad doom.wad

Works fine for me, no idea what your problem could be, you could probably just use -file for Crispy Doom instead of merge IIRC.

[Anonymous No.8581960]

>>8581927
This is why traditional Doomguy works, and why the Doom 3 guy approach is more stilted and awkward.

[Anonymous No.8581962]

>>8581951
when a game has a dramatic scene, i should have the option to choose if i make my character cry or laugh at their parents' deaths

[Anonymous No.8581973]

>>8581942
jrpg protag
>blank slate to the extreme
>often silent
>says nothing except what you want him to say
>does nothing except what you want him to do
>only interaction with the plot is to drive it
Gravel Gruffenstein
>Has a full backstory, often tragic
>Talks incessantly, whether it be quips or generic banter
>Tries to have character moments in between bouts of ultra violence
>Writing tries to make you relate to him and feel for him, usually fails
>Is usually pulled along by the plot instead of driving it, giving the player a sense of a lack of control

[Anonymous No.8581984]

I don't mind the Doom Slayer and don't find it cringe even after TAG2, but maybe that's because I never took Doom seriously? Like, there is a bunch of lore exposition there for those who want it and I even read it all but at the end of the day I'm in hell with an army of knights leading a charge against Mecha-Satan and that is fun even if the boss fight sucked.

[Anonymous No.8581989]

>>8581942
>a military badass inserted into the game world
Do people really like insterting themselves into a bald military bootlicker?
Original doomguy was cool because he assaulted his commanding officer and also clearly liked violence

[Anonymous No.8581993]

>>8581984
>but maybe that’s because I didn’t care?
That’s the most likely explanation, but it’s weird you cared enough to share.

[Anonymous No.8581994]

>>8581989
Yes that is absolutely a thing, did you miss the successes that were CoD or Battlefield?

[Anonymous No.8581995]

>>8581989
See interestingly, I never characterized doomguy as liking violence. I saw him more as the silent psycho type who's like a machine for killing. His lack of a character really does let people project their own idea onto him, making him a close to ideal blank slate.

[Anonymous No.8581996]

I get not liking wide screen and even prefering the lower resolution but how do people stomach the horrible framerate of chocolate doom?
Crispy doom is def better

[Anonymous No.8582001]

>tfw no co-op shooter with Sam and Duke during their early days in the EDF

[Anonymous No.8582004]

>>8581995
I think the smile when he gets a new weapon is kinda giving it away, it's like the only time he has any character, you can't ignore it

[Anonymous No.8582005]

>>8581995
>>”but bro - daisy ; ;”
>>”also look at this torn up family photo, he sad ; ;”

[Anonymous No.8582006]

>>8581962
Nothing's more fun than acting like an asshole in games.
>>8581973
I'd go with the jrpg protag. It's kinda how i act in real life. But goddamn do most jrpgs have bad MCs most of the time when they're not using a silent SI protag.

[Anonymous No.8582009]

>>8581962
Any game that is not completely abstract has some kind of premise with motivation for player character, even something as simple as "Monsters are trying to kill you and you'd rather they didn't" or "Someone killed your parents, you want to avenge them". But if that's the latter and player character mops non-stop without me being able to choose they got over it, it's obnoxious.

[Anonymous No.8582043]

>>8581082
Rekkr has 5, if you count the bonus episode.

[Anonymous No.8582049]

I already played all the well known games, and I need a new/vr/ FPS. What is one that is not that well known, but still good? it can also be a console game

[Anonymous No.8582054]

>>8582001
Do Sam and Duke share the same universe? I want to believe they do.

[Anonymous No.8582061]

>>8581852
My shortcut looks like this.
"E:\Games\Doom\Chocolate Doom\chocolate-doom.exe" -iwad E:\Games\Doom\IWADS\doom.wad -merge E:\Games\Doom\PWADS\REKKR\REKKRSL.wad -deh E:\Games\Doom\PWADS\REKKR\REKKRSL.deh

[Anonymous No.8582072]

>>8582054
Maybe, they're both part of the Earth Defense Force in each game. Although for Duke I think it was changed to Global Defense Force at some point. It's GDF in Ion Fury if you consider that connected to Duke.
Also I just like to imagine both Duke and Sam being part of the same EDF from the EDF games themselves. They wouldn't be out of place one bit.

[Anonymous No.8582074]

>>8581852
Oh. try changing rekkrsl.iwad file extension to .wad
.iwad is so gzdoom recognizes it.

[Anonymous No.8582078]

How much different TNT would be if it was relased for free?
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.games.doom.ii/c/Fhfl5PHTbVk/m/0eSgX8fkDJcJ

[Anonymous No.8582082]

>>8582072
I sure hope Duke was in space at the end of Sam 3

[Anonymous No.8582110]

>>8582082
>Duke is relaxing outside at one of his vacation homes out in the middle of nowhere
>completely oblivious to all the carnage going on around the rest of the world
>a giant shadow covers him and he lifts up his shades to see the moon barreling towards the earth
>"Damn, I knew I should have went to Alpha Centauri for my summer vacation..."

[Anonymous No.8582113]

>>8581996
Strangely enough, I prefer high res and capped framerate than vice-versa.
>>8581995
To me, Doom Guy is stoic and intelligent, doesn't enjoy the violence but embraces it.

[Anonymous No.8582138]

[Anonymous No.8582173]

>>8581995
>>8582113
Like the other guys said, the only bits of characterization of him we had in the originals are:
>assaulted his commanding officer
>grin when picking up weapons
>"besides, someone was gonna pay for what happened to Daisy, your pet rabbit."
>"Your bloodthirsty scream shatters the teleport haze."
>"You smile. What strange place have you stumbled upon? The Demons did not expect you to survive this far. You feel their demonic presence waiting for you... Let them taste their guts!"
>"You've never heard of anyone escaping from Hell, but you'll make the bastards sorry they ever heard of you! Quickly, you rappel down to the surface of Hell."
>"You've proven far too tough for Hell to contain"
This is not a stoic badass or silent psycho, he is angry and murderous.

[Anonymous No.8582186]

>>8582113
I forgot to mention, I prefer capped framerate because uncapped looks unreasonably floaty. Like a soap opera.

[Anonymous No.8582187]

>>8582173
>>assaulted his commanding officer
*For ordering his soldiers to fire upon
civilians, it's not like he want all "UNGUH" for no reason.
>With no action for fifty million miles, your day consisted of suckin' dust and watchin' restricted flicks in the rec room.
He most likely just watched porn for awhile.

[Anonymous No.8582194]

>>8582187
Sure but a stoic and intelligent guy wouldn't assault his commanding officer, he would probably still disobey but not assault.

[Anonymous No.8582220]

>>8582194
>Sure but a stoic and intelligent guy wouldn't assault his commanding officer
I'm not with those dudes, just that Doomguy wasn't always the insane sort of murderer you see by the time 64 hits.

[Anonymous No.8582240]

>>8582194
A stoic and intelligent guy would absolutely attack his commanding officer for being a murderous and traitorous piece of shit who orders his troops to fire on civilians.

[Anonymous No.8582262]

>>8581973
Your description of a JRPG protag proves you've never been within earshot of an actual JRPG. It's WRPG's that have fully customizable characters that are blank slates from the start.
Bugmen don't understand what the "Role Playing" in a Role Playing Game is supposed to mean.

[Anonymous No.8582330]

To me Doomguy was probably always a bit bloodthirsty but he didn't go full sadist massacre mode until Doom 64. That's when shit started really fucking with his head.

[Anonymous No.8582345]

>>8582330
>his movement gets slower
>his shotgun doesn't make a cool reload animation anymore, his fists look weird, and the badass chaingun isn't enough to compensate
>music gets scary and depressive

I don't blame him

[Anonymous No.8582360]

Does every fucking megawad/full game project needs to have the obligatory a thousand monsters flood from all around you and you're given full resources map thats always right before the final boss?

[Anonymous No.8582376]

Hey kegan, I don't know if these will be of much use, but I got those crash logs from SNS 47
https://litter.catbox.moe/pc0jz9.7z

[Anonymous No.8582387]

>>8582376
Downloaded and saved. I'll talk with some folks about this later, might be able to figure out what the fuck happened. Much obliged.

[Anonymous No.8582446]

>>8582360
>Waahh waahh I'm too much of a baby to enjoy a simple slaughter map

[Anonymous No.8582459]

>Haste
>MSCP
>Heartland
>Occula
>Fractured Worlds
>Zzul Bases
The age of bloated boring megawads is over. Welcome to the golden age of miniwads, pure distilled experiences you can play through without giving up and forgetting about halfway through.

[Anonymous No.8582473]

>>8581995
>ideal blank slate
Like Boba Fett!

[Anonymous No.8582476]

>>8582446
sounds like a nerve has ben strook
how many "pre boss arena" maps have you made anon? too many to count?

[Anonymous No.8582493]

>>8582173
At least something the nu-doom games got right was continue his streak of never getting what he deserves and every victory being undercut by something worse happening

>Pre-Doom 1: goes against CO's orders to kill civilians, gets sent to Phobos as a result
>Knee-Deep: Cleans the entire moon base, dies by demon firing squad and goes to Deimos in Hell
>Shores: Clears Deimos, finds out he's in Hell
>Inferno: Hell gives him a portal to earth, his rabbit is dead and demons are taking over the world
>Flesh: Kills another mastermind, finds out demons have succeeded in taking over the world (if Sigil is canon, it's even worse: he finds out he's only in Limbo and gets sent further back into Hell by Baphomet)
>Doom 2: Saves humanity and waits for death, only for them to find the source of the invasion for him to destroy; has to clean up afterwards
>Evilution: Now the space marine commander; entire base on Io was overrun by a demon ship while he's on a walk; gets revenge and goes on vacation until Plutonia happens
>Plutonia: While on said vacation, demons start invading from the nearby particle accelerator bases; gets up and stops the invasion yet again before the military can actually respond; retires this time, only for Doom 64 to happen
>64: Is reactivated after the Mother Demon attacks; pretty much embraces the suck at this point, kills her, and stays in Hell to stop them from invading, only to be sent back out from hell by her sister in the Lost Levels; kills HER and picks back up right where he left off
>Pre-2016: Inducted as a Sentinel, becomes a demigod, gets a new suit and sword, and kills the Titan, only to be lured into a temple which collapses in on himself
>2016: Freed by Hayden, he gets back into the fray and kills Pierce, only for Hayden to steal his sword and teleport him to fuck knows where.

I could go on with Eternal, but character limit

[Anonymous No.8582516]

doomguy wouldnt be shit if not for all the convenient weapons, armor and ammunition scattered everywhere, it's kinda ridicolous

[Anonymous No.8582531]

>>8582516
https://youtu.be/tgA7qfqiimU

[Anonymous No.8582537]

>>8582516
Maybe the demons should git gud then. They have the infinite resources of hell and devil magicks and they get dick flattened by one angry guy with a piece of metal that shoots smaller pieces of metal.

[Anonymous No.8582542]

Alright, got a public release for my DIY entry. The map name is called Checksum. Make sure you load it with the DIY_resources_v1.5 wad from here: https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/126692-cp-doom-it-yourself-diy-get-imaginative-with-bold-colors/
Also make sure you're using a port that supports MBF21. All feedback is appreciated. This map is basically me unleashing my stream of consciousness into virtual form. So each room is completely different from one another. Whatever idea popped into my head I mapped it and moved onto the next. If things seem weird then that's why. Ammo and enemy spawns are probably fucked in some spots so please give me any suggestions you might have.

https://files.catbox.moe/kstfcs.wad

[Anonymous No.8582742]

>>8580984
I'm on a cheap mouse but if that's the problem then that's on the sourceport's fault

[Anonymous No.8582750]

>>8582516
Also all the infighting.

[Anonymous No.8582798]

>>8579834
>Doom Retro
what the fuck is that thing even trying to accomplish? i dont get it

[Anonymous No.8582805]

>>8582798
The only thing I can give it is that it apparently actually has splitscreen multiplayer, something Graf will keep shooting down.

[Anonymous No.8582816]

I'm bored.
You guys wanna play zandronum?

[Anonymous No.8582848]

Do you think we'll ever see Romero or Petersen on Rogan? Carmack's episode was KINO

[Anonymous No.8582870]

Maybe instead of a generic pink undercut marvel movie girlboss or generic vaguely ethnic brooding US marine, your game needs an outspoken larger than life blonde chauvinistic gigachad?

[Anonymous No.8582878]

>>8582848
What would they even talk about? The Carmack episode worked because they were able to talk about cars and VR for a good chunk of the episode. They would be as disastrous as the Hugo one.

[Anonymous No.8582897]

>>8582360
I can appreciate a slaughter map every once in a while to shake things up, its the wads that are entirely slaughter maps that are boring to me

[Anonymous No.8582920]

>>8582870
What about a borderline cryptid mercenary?

[Anonymous No.8582946]

>>8574436
>It's kinda crazy how much of a versatile weapon the shotgun is, it's almost bad game design

They wanted the shotgun to be good and I see no issue with this. Then they wanted to make the shotgun even better in 2 and still I see no issue with this. If the other weapons were complete garbage I'd agree but they are pretty much all extremely useful besides maybe the pistol sucking a bit too much. Doom wouldn't be Doom without the shotguns.

[Anonymous No.8583002]

>>8582542
Pretty solid map, but I don't like how you can't escape the hurt pit in the arachnotron/rocket room and you can softlock yourself in that room due to some residual door triggers around the actual door. Also one or your shotgunners is stuck in the ceiling in the hexagon area.

>>8575407
I also played this. I had to switch to gl mode because I was getting big frame drops in the end fight. Hopefully the map's mostly done because that fight's pretty tough. Not really sure how to deal with the first hell knight room other than hiding in the hurt closet which I assume wasn't the intention. One of your doors around the start's got a hom too. Good map, map 07 too.

[Anonymous No.8583035]

>>8583002
Do you know exactly which shotgunner got stuck? I fixed the door but the shotgunner looks fine.

[Anonymous No.8583070]

>>8583035
nvm, found it
thanks for the heads up

[Anonymous No.8583084]

>>8582542
>>8583002
Updated version here: https://files.catbox.moe/jq21qj.wad
Hope I fixed the door.

[Anonymous No.8583110]

>>8579330
Do you have this every sunday?

[Anonymous No.8583119]

>>8583110
Yes, 6:00 PM EST/2300 UTC every Sunday. We call it a variety night, but we mostly play survival.

[Anonymous No.8583138]

>>8583002
>Hopefully the map's mostly done because that fight's pretty tough
That's the final fight.
>Not really sure how to deal with the first hell knight room other than hiding in the hurt closet which I assume wasn't the intention
Nope, that's cheese. I might have to up the damage there. You have to focus the hell knights on one side and do some fancy maneuvering to keep making just enough room to fire off some rockets.
>Good map, map 07 too.
Ah, you played it :) I included WIP maps in the WAD as easter eggs but really didn't expect anyone would notice.
I've decided to swap the order of these two maps because the huge slaughter cave fight is so tough.

[Anonymous No.8583143]

>>8583119
Ok then, see you next sunday

[Anonymous No.8583146]

You forgot Duke birthday last month.

[Anonymous No.8583165]

Getting writer's block on my map.

[Anonymous No.8583178]

I want to fight whoever designed heretic's e4m1

[Anonymous No.8583293]

From the NVIDIA dev of q2rtx. Though N&C hasn't shown anything publicly yet

[Anonymous No.8583410]

>>8582493
Why you talk about Evilution & Plutonia? They have as much connection to the canon as Sigil. Pretty much none.
>>8583293
Why its often Russianы who are involved with shitty visual mods for older games? Кaкoй жe этo cтыд.

[Anonymous No.8583420]

>>8582516
Realism fags go outside!

[Anonymous No.8583487]

>>8583146
isn't his birthday july 4

[Anonymous No.8583489]

>>8582476
I can't think any examples of these. Usually the most known megawads that get slaughtery by the end, have always quite chill map29.

[Anonymous No.8583501]

>>8583293
What the fuck that's some good fucking machine translation.

[Anonymous No.8583539]

>>8583165
I haven't been able to finish any maps. I look at other peoples' maps and wonder where I went so wrong and just scrap mine...

[Anonymous No.8583549]

>>8583165
add a section with 12 fully-alert spider masterminds, each atop pillars that slowly glide across the ground, then arrange the arena below so that no matter where you take cover at least 2 of them always have line of sight, and position them in such a way that it's really hard to get them to infight with each other or anything else
also have a couple hundred specters and lose souls gradually closing in on you, emphasis on gradually
i don't know how to accomplish that because i don't make maps, but do it anyway

[Anonymous No.8583584]

>>8583501
I agree. Still not perfect, but pretty damn nice.

[Anonymous No.8583612]

>>8583146
so did Gearbox

[Anonymous No.8583658]

>>8581413
>>8580736
For me, it's Aubrey: https://aubreyhodges.bandcamp.com/track/the-broken-ones-level-plant

[Anonymous No.8583660]

>>8581478
I play using BD, just that I turn off all the gimmick/bloat options where I can. I even have the gore and gibs turned down low as it can go. I like the animations, small polishes and feedback - makes the game feel more dynamic, although I can completely understand why a lot of people would hate it. I also use Babel from time to time as well, it's great.

[Anonymous No.8583669]

"ALIEN BASTARDS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this neighborhood before. There could be ALIEN BASTARDS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare biceps. "I HATE ALIEN BASTARDS" he thought. Aliens Say Your Prayers reverberated his entire shot up ride, making it pulsate even as the steroids circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of pig cops after dark. "Without gum, you can kick any ass you want" he said to himself, out loud.

[Anonymous No.8583681]

>>8582848
Petersen would be boring on JRE and I don't think Joe could banter for very long with Romero. With Carmack, they could talk about martial arts, cars, rockets and all that crazy shit, in addition to Quake.

[Anonymous No.8583690]

>>8583681
...having said that, I would still love to see Romero on JRE lol

[Anonymous No.8583706]

>>8578747
I've seen a few YouTube shitposters do great Caleb impressions, but I'm not sure that's the kind of talent a game dev would hire.

[Anonymous No.8583715]

>>8583539
Don't be intimidated, be inspired :)

[Anonymous No.8583717]

>>8581603
Well we have the clothes malfunction part down with la tailor girl

[Anonymous No.8583718]

>>8581478
These days it's petty cliques and stupid shit that keeps that hateboner going.

Developer's a bit of an asshole but most mod devs are.

[Anonymous No.8583721]

>>8581167
Playing through the shitty workshop addons now. It's... ok, I just want to shoot people after work. But this stealthy segments they tend to add... Horrifying.

[Anonymous No.8583724]

>>8582173
I always interpreted the Doom marine as being like Goblin Slayer. Means well, but will brutally fuck up whatever crosses him, and who just doesn't have time for much in his life aside from his job exterminating a type of monster he really, REALLY hates.

[Anonymous No.8583728]

>>8579658
Shaky Grounds and obvious DNF 2013 and Alien Armageddon. Also AMC TC, but I think it's too janky and bloated.

[Anonymous No.8583760]

What would you consider the best all around texture packs for doom level creation?
And what's the easiest way to add them in slade?

[Anonymous No.8583771]

>>8583760
Texture packs are not retro, zoom zom.o

[Anonymous No.8583776]

>>8583760
All purpose, possibly OTEX if you want lots of details or CC4-tex if you want to go for more original look but with more variants. Or 32in24 pack. There's a lot of packs with vartious themes. I think CC4 is simply the largest compilations.

If you want just one pack, move TEXTURE1, TEXTURE2, PNAMES, SWITCHES and ANIMATED and everything between F_START and F_FINISH and P_START and P_FINISH to your wad. When you are done, you can use maintenance to clean out unused textures (I think they finally learned to not delete switches and animation frames) flats and finally patches.

[Anonymous No.8583785]

>>8582173
Another thing now that I think about it, is the music. Of course it doesn't prove anything but you're playing a game where the soundtrack is mostly metal. Of course you're gonna think your player character is angry as he uses his chainsaw to kill a demon while some Pantera song rip-off is playing in the background.

[Anonymous No.8583803]

>>8583771
Yes they are, witherbrain. Mayhem 17 uses a custom texture pack. For Christ's sake I'm pretty sure a few of the mapping projects that have been made HERE use custom textures.
I wish I could slap you in the back of the head for acting so fucking stupid, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Anonymous No.8583813]

>>8583771
There's been wads with custom assets since the 90s
Are you fucking high or something

[Anonymous No.8583838]

>>8574807
I haven't seen PVT Murphy in Years!

[Anonymous No.8583845]

>>8583785
>Another thing now that I think about it, is the music. Of course it doesn't prove anything but you're playing a game where the soundtrack is mostly metal
A good half of it. The episodes start out “yeah!” and then get more sinister as they progress. The first episode epitomizes this.

[Anonymous No.8583893]

Someone needs to create an SSG sprite set of a double-barreled shotgun with two alofs devices at either side, like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZDa75MAcsY

That someone might be me, but I'll probably just try and give up.

[Anonymous No.8583935]

>>8583803
>I'm pretty sure a few of the mapping projects that have been made HERE use custom textures.
I think the Heretic one did, I dunno if that was ever completed though.

[Anonymous No.8583952]

>>8583893
That's how the QC shotgun works, although it's not a break-action.

[Anonymous No.8583957]

>>8583771
>playing with anything but IWADs
Poser detected.

[Anonymous No.8583963]

>>8583957
>not playing exclusively on DOS using an authentic machine from the 90s
look at this fuckin poser

[Anonymous No.8583964]

>>8583963
>not playing exclusively IN the 90s
I wish poseurs would get rangebanned.

[Anonymous No.8584005]

>>8582920
why about both?

[Anonymous No.8584073]

>>8582920
>>8584005
Bro-op with Klaymen when?

[Anonymous No.8584103]

>>8584073
>Arm Cannon on head
Love it

[Anonymous No.8584221]

>>8583957
NRFTL and Sigil are fine. E1M4 and M8 remakes are good too.

[Anonymous No.8584287]

[Anonymous No.8584340]

>>8574353
Now port it to MBF21.

[Anonymous No.8584358]

>>8583660
>a drawing where Romero's head is in Plato's cave watching the shadows while doomguy is outside blasting demons

[Anonymous No.8584404]

>>8583669
This but Duke is in the strip bar handing cash to a stripper and fondling her breast

[Anonymous No.8584408]

https://imx-doomer.tumblr.com/post/134809317064/the-goddamn-doomguy-doom-skyhook-model-kits#notes
are these official?

[Anonymous No.8584460]

>dario casali's video of the mancubian candidate.

[Anonymous No.8584531]

Hey niggers, I'm starting an informal/experimental year long project. It'll run concurrently with any other projects this year. Basically no rules, just make something this year and submit it. It'll end up as a grab bag of any original content you can think of, especially gimmicky/weird/low effort one-off ideas that wouldn't fit into other projects. If you need any clarification on the rules feel free to ask, I tried to make them as open as possible to any kind of submission.

The /vr/ Mondo Project is a rip-off of the Doomworld Mega Project series. The purpose of the project to encourage creativity and bolster /vr/ as a mapping and modding community.
RULES:
- Submit as times as you would like by the end of 2022.
- Any kind of playable custom content for any RETRO FPS game is considered a valid submission. Maps, gameplay mods, etc.
- Updates are allowed but will be considered new submissions.
- Include the phrase "/vr/ Mondo Project" with your submission so that I can find them all.

The submissions will be compiled into a zip with each submission given its own folder. Please include a txt with some information about how to play your submission and credits for any resources used.
I will be reposting this at the start of each new month. Please do not add this project to the news post.

[Anonymous No.8584545]

>>8584531
Doesn't sound like a great idea, especially the fact that it's all different games as well. It's way too open.

[Anonymous No.8584584]

>>8584531
What this >>8584545 anon said. Maybe add some more rules.
I dunno. If this is going to be a Megawad then that seems like a terrible idea. Maybe limit the game or If you're just talking about a collection of various /vr/ creations put together into a single zip file it might work.

[Anonymous No.8584635]

got some new textures working

[Anonymous No.8584693]

>>8584584
I was thinking the latter. It wouldn't be a compiled megawad you load like DUMP or something, just a folder with a bunch of files for different games. I'm willing to work on the ruleset a bit if people don't like it, maybe limiting to only Doom maps. I did want to include gameplay mods since mapping tends to get most of the attention.

[Anonymous No.8584704]

>>8584635
Where did you get the textures? Looks good.

[Anonymous No.8584715]

>>8579313
>Boobas
>Cunny
>Niggers

[Anonymous No.8584718]

>>8584704
An artist made several for me.

[Anonymous No.8584760]

A-perfect-a tracers-a every time! Just-a like-a chicken man intended! No more-a bugs in my delicious ragu! It's going to take many hours of testing to convince me that I didn't horribly break something when I implemented this. In other news I gave the pain elemental a distinct melee sound and some particles when it does its little bite, and I unfucked the invis upgrade the cheap way by just making it roll a 50-50 on whether or not a projectile will be "stored" to pass through you so you can't just wallhug and dodge literally 100% of bullets anymore.
>>8584340
Easier to just write a new engine at that point.

[Anonymous No.8584772]

>>8584635
looking good.
you might consider using checkered pattern for the halftones instead of straight lines

[Anonymous No.8584812]

Source port bros...
What's your favorite kill counter?

[Anonymous No.8584816]

>>8584812
The intermission screen

[Anonymous No.8584817]

>>8584772
the straight lines look better on an actual CRT tv at least

[Anonymous No.8584837]

If you were to create your standalone retro fps game, would you use something like GZDoom or Build ?

[Anonymous No.8584895]

Lost Souls should be count as kills.

[Anonymous No.8584897]

>>8584837
goldsrc

[Anonymous No.8584904]

>>8584837
godot

[Anonymous No.8584925]

>>8584904
i heard godot is good for a lot of things but not 3d unless
>akshually, doom is not fully 3d so it doesn't count
but there's that wad map converter addon

[Anonymous No.8584932]

>>8584925
we'll have to see how godot's 3d runs in 4.0

[Anonymous No.8584946]

>>8583410
Fuck you, Final Doom is canon to me

[Anonymous No.8584981]

Compet-N deserved to die for being purist.

[Anonymous No.8584989]

>>8584981
I mean, still having the name 'Compet-N' in today's climate put them on borrowed time.

[Anonymous No.8584998]

>>8584989
?

[Anonymous No.8585009]

>>8584998
Never thought about what that 'N' might stand for?

[Anonymous No.8585034]

>>8580406
The PSX/64 plasma sound is pretty neat

[Anonymous No.8585047]

>>8584837
whatever i use i'd modify it to mimic the physics of surf servers in team fortress 2 1:1
if i can't do that i'm not using it

[Anonymous No.8585085]

MBF21 has secret exits be unrestricted (as in, you can have one in any map and it'll work properly), right?

[Anonymous No.8585168]

94 protons never ever

[Anonymous No.8585178]

>>8585168
>94 protons
>not related to Duke at all
cringe

[Anonymous No.8585273]

>>8583084

Nice, dude. I'll playtest this either tonight or tomorrow and let you know.

>This map is basically me unleashing my stream of consciousness into virtual form

Perfect mapping style for these resources, I'm sure it works a treat.

I've updated the DW OP with the map, do you want me to just call you /vr/ anon?

If anyone else is interested in mapping for DIY you've got two weeks left which is plenty of time for these resources.

[Anonymous No.8585294]

>>8585273
>I've updated the DW OP with the map, do you want me to just call you /vr/ anon?
sure

[Anonymous No.8585297]

Holy fuck, Blood has a Windows level editor now!?

I love Blood and have wanted to make maps but having to use Dosbox and a vintage editor sucks shit when you're used to UDB and Trenchbroom.

This seems like really big news, are more people talking about it?

[Anonymous No.8585315]

>>8584718
Cool.

[Anonymous No.8585467]

>>8585297
>Blood now has a functioning Windows level Editor
Source? And what about a Mac version for the Apple Mac users?

[Anonymous No.8585496]

>>8584837
GZDoom has a few advantages if you wanted to make a game with it.
>All the shit you need (options, menus, saving/loading, language options) comes standard
>Saving/loading being the big one, as doing either of these things is ridiculously convoluted in engines like Unity or Unreal Engine
>DECORATE is easy to learn and lets you make stuff really fast
>ZScript allows you even greater control over what the engine can do
>It's compatible with Doombuilder, meaning you have a great level editor at your fingertips
>Being compatible with Doombuilder means you have a huge pool of experienced mappers you can call on
>You can use stuff like dynamic lights, 3d platforms, 3d models and ramps with it now

As for the downsides:
>It can only use a single CPU core at a time (due to being based on code that was first written in the late 90s)
>It also has poor performance with 3d models, dynamic lights and 3d platforms
>The process of adding a 3d platform is extremely convoluted
>The documentation for ZScript is still poor and it's more like learning an actual programming language
>There are still certain things ZScript can't do as well, so your project will most likely be a mix of ZScript/ACS/DECORATE
>Still has a lot of Doom's limitations, like sprites requiring extremely specific file names
>Ultimate Doom Map Format doesn't have some cool stuff from PrBoom+ like conveyor belts (I'm not 100% on this one though, someone feel free to correct me)
In spite of all that, it's probably the most drama free engine you can use to build a retro shooter. Recreating all the shit GZDoom does from scratch in another engine is a huge pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.8585531]

>>8585467

[01-15] E[X]tended Mapedit for Blood released
https://twitter.com/BloodHispano/status/1482438772285489164

[Anonymous No.8585583]

>>8583803
I dont know why you would pick Mayhem 17 as an example, custom textures date back to nearly the very beginning of Doom wads.

[Anonymous No.8585646]

>>8584073
>Neverhood style boomer shooter
TENIPPLE COME THE FUCK ON DUDE

[Anonymous No.8585793]

how hard would it be to remove the custom enemies from this so that you could use custom or vanilla monsters?

[Anonymous No.8585886]

>>8585793
Two minutes in Slade tops to comment them out.

[Anonymous No.8585938]

>>8585793
comment out lines 22-50 in decorate.txt

[Anonymous No.8585957]

Man some of the traps in the beginning of serious sam tfe are seriously fucked up. Like that hallway that surrounds you with gnaar and marsh hoppers on each side. I don't see how people would have beaten these early levels without the secret double barrel and rocket launcher.

[Anonymous No.8585961]

>>8585583
it was the strongest one in memory and I really like it. The Super Mario All-stars textures work wonderfully

[Anonymous No.8585985]

>>8585957
I think the idea was that you don't immediately play the games on the hardest difficulties.

[Anonymous No.8585995]

That was some GGs
I was cooping it with a friend so it kind of trivialize the end but still fun

[Anonymous No.8585996]

>>8585995
>Designers
>Tim Willits
So HE is the one responsible for the sewers and security complex

[Anonymous No.8586082]

>>8585938
will the weapons still level up

[Anonymous No.8586084]

>>8585467
>And what about a Mac version for the Apple Mac users?
Lmao.

[Anonymous No.8586103]

>>8586082
yeah

[Anonymous No.8586124]

>Blood
>modding scene
kek

[Anonymous No.8586195]

>>8586103
thank you.

[Anonymous No.8586208]

>>8574821

[Anonymous No.8586217]

Most people back then didn't know about this because Doom95.
They probably though id made it.

[Anonymous No.8586254]

got some hacky sprite rendering working

[Anonymous No.8586276]

doomguy if he [s4s]

[Anonymous No.8586281]

>>8585467
tried it in WINE on linux and it worked perfectly

[Anonymous No.8586287]

>>8584837
Probably not, but it heavily depends on the scope of the project. It's more likely I would've considered GZDoom is I was making something like REKKR... I guess there's a reason why you can't use DOSBox instead (likely the fact that you need a licence from id and they wouldn't provide it or something), but otherwise I would've just let others to pick their source port of choice.
In regards with eDuke32 & DarkPlaces: although I enjoyed both Ion Fury and WRATH, its obviously how difficult and timeconsuming it is to both learn and create games like that due to remaining limits and lesser popularity of the engines, which results in fewer guides and such.
When it comes to creating your own retro FPS, I think the best course of action is either use Unity or follow in HROT's footsteps by developing your own engine. The key factor for me would be also to set some clear limitations to myself in order to not overestimate the project and ensure low system requirements. Not that I would do any of that as I'm indecisive idiot with no talent, but this path seems like the best one in the long run with all the potential downsides.
>>8584946
No headcanons here, sorry. Even if that's better alternative than official continuity.

[Anonymous No.8586343]

Was Final Doom the best content that the community offered back then?

[Anonymous No.8586404]

F

[Anonymous No.8586426]

>>8586343
No, Memento Mori was much better than TNT.

[Anonymous No.8586508]

>>8586426
TNT didn't have such shitty maps as Kinetics or Cesspool. Habitat did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.8586529]

>>8586508
Correct

[Anonymous No.8586561]

>>8586404
F

[Anonymous No.8586640]

94 protons when?
NEW THREAD
>>8586635
>>8586635
>>8586635

>>8584531
>Please do not add this project to the news post.
https://youtu.be/yWULCfJ2PGA

[Anonymous No.8586706]

>>8584981
I dont think there were demo compatible ports back then. In other words, it died because new operating systems couldnt run Doom and there were no demo ports that could. Corect me if Im wrong

[Anonymous No.8586714]

>>8584460
That noob doesnt even pistol start

[Anonymous No.8586762]

>>8585938
what mod

[Anonymous No.8586819]

>>8580649
No, I did. I'm doing guns for the upcoming 94 Protons Of /vr/ as well, though I'll be sure to make them have the same functional behavior as the normal Doom ones, I think the ones in 2048 are off in a few places, and I want to avoid that.

[Anonymous No.8586859]

>>8580406
use slade to extract the one ribbiks uses in his maps like magnolia iirc. then put that sound in a new wad. valiant might use the same or a different one