I see PC fags circlejerk these all of the time as the best games while shitting on Console games, are they actually that good?

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Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:03:33 2021 No.8371906 [Reply] [Original]

I see PC fags circlejerk these all of the time as the best games while shitting on Console games, are they actually that good?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:05:34 2021 No.8371914 >>8371906 Try em and find out

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:07:46 2021 No.8371918 >>8371906 Those ones? Yes they are, except: >The Longest Journey, unless you're a lesbian >Starcraft, unless you're korean >Warcraft III, should be warcraft 2

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:27:34 2021 No.8371960 >>8371906 Yes, those and much more. The PC had so many good fucking games in the late 90s and early 2000s. It must have hurt being a console kid in those times, because everything was better on PC.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:32:11 2021 No.8371970 >>8371906 No bad games detected, but that list is criminally small. A true PC starter pack should have no less than 100 games. The ratio of timeless classics on PC versus consoles is 10:1.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:37:17 2021 No.8371982 >>8371970 Depends on what you're into. PC is very strong in a certain set of genres while it may as well not exist for others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:42:52 2021 No.8372000 >>8371906 There's a lot to learn to git gud with RTS games and its impossible with pad. While I find wc3 fun I can see why the genre has died out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:45:29 2021 No.8372004 >>8371982 PC is particularly strong when it comes to genres that don't appeal to children or casuals, which are the best ones.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:49:51 2021 No.8372009 >>8371960 >tfw grew up with PC, all consoles, and handhelds the amount of poorfags on /vr/ disgust me. it's like 75% of you are favela monkeys

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:52:10 2021 No.8372017

>>8371906
Deus Ex - yes, still holds up very well, just a few weird controls
BG - there are better applications of this formula in the last few years but it still holds up
Torment - excellent visual novel, but you can easily softlock yourself
Longest Journey - (not yet played)
Fallout 2 - definitely better than fallout 1
XCOM - idk
Starcraft - what second anon said
Heroes 3 - excellent gaem
Thief - as a regular PS1 and n64 polygon enjoyer, I find the clunkiness of the controls combined with the visuals a bit hard to get into
SS2 - absolutely, top 15 if not 10 pc vydia of all time, maybe shooters if your tastes are specific (it's an imsim) - same as DE, controls get a bit taking used to
Black Gate - heard it's torture, idk
Gothic 2 - just go balls to the wall and play Gothic 1
Warcraft - yap
Fallout - just play fallout 2, Fallout 1 discourages exploration if you're into that
BG - just play SoA
Arcanum - a bit unbalanced but the story and the way you can interact with it makes it feel like a new game (in a good way)
Diablo 2 - it's nice but it'll always be Diablo. There's huge nostalgia goggles for it. I would recommend to find another top-down isometric ARPG to play
Thief 2 - an improvement over the first but honestly mate just play DIshonered, it's a more streamlined experience and Dishonored follows the inspiration from Thief Faithfully
Stalker - absolutely, go check that out

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 01:53:14 2021 No.8372021 >>8371906 If they weren't we wouldn't be talking about them. Most of those are cheap on GOG, buy some and stop being a fag.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:05:00 2021 No.8372046

>>8371960
pc didn't have metroid prime, didn't have ratchet and clank, didn't have final fantasy x, got halo late with bugs and no splitscreen, got gta late with bugs, didn't have sonic, didn't have kingdom hearts, got mgs1 and 2 late with bugs, didn't get mgs3, got silent hill 2 late with bugs, didn't have fighting games, didn't have timesplitters, didn't have zelda, the list goes on. Must've hurt playing cs 1.6 for years in a row

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:06:25 2021 No.8372049 >>8372046 >metroid prime You really start with a fps where you can barely strafe?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:08:47 2021 No.8372052 >>8372049 you didn't get spiderman 2 either

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:12:25 2021 No.8372056 >>8372052 I was more an arcade gamer but sure anon, metroid prime and all your other jank games are better than anything else in existence.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:19:08 2021 No.8372068 >>8372046 >Final Fantasy X >Kingdom Hearts lmao, I wouldn't play that ultra-casual weeb trash if you paid me. I was too busy playing Wizardry 8 and Gothic 2.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:19:23 2021 No.8372069 >>8371906 They do a good job of showing the best of what pc developers were capable of at the time, but they wouldn’t be able to replace the best contemporaneous console games or do what they do as well

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:21:24 2021 No.8372072 >>8372068 >ultra-casual get a job, nigger

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:21:56 2021 No.8372075 >>8372049 Prime is really only an FPS in the most technical sense That said you can do a boost strafe by pressing jump twice or something, I forget

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:23:10 2021 No.8372078 >>8372072 Wasting your free time playing JRPGs is even more pathetic if you are a grown man with a job

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:25:19 2021 No.8372086 >>8372078 what should a grown, working man indulge in instead. By all means send me 5 songs from Wizardry 8 that you have learnt to play on guitar. Chances are people give more of a shit about KH music

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:32:42 2021 No.8372106 >>8372086 Playing Fallout 2 for 2000 hours, probably

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:34:46 2021 No.8372113 >>8372106 Now that's a real RPG

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:42:20 2021 No.8372119

>>8372086

If you do feel compelled to spend your existence watching JRPGs happen in front of your eyeballs, you could at least follow the hobby to it's logical conclusion and just start reading books instead. That way at least you stand a chance of taking something intelligent and artistically expressive in once in a while, instead of non-stop junk food made for literal nippon children.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:45:14 2021 No.8372124

>>8372119
>spend your existence
I have hobbies lol, I don't spend every minute off work playing video games. I don't spend much time playing video games at all really. Also, video games aren't a hobby, neither is reading a book or watching a movie. Doesn't make them bad, but you need something else too, which your wording "if you do feel compelled to spend your existence" suggests you lack

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:48:40 2021 No.8372127

>>8372119
>>8372124
I'm actually pretty appalled. "feel compelled to spend your existence watching JRPG's happen in front of your eyeballs" makes it sound like I go to work to finance a constant gamer hermit lifestyle. Hell no! Even more appalling is that you have tried to suggest there are 'more honourable' ways to commit oneself to gamer hermitry. There aren't. Nigger go learn a recipe, an instrument, woodworks, or something.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:50:50 2021 No.8372134 out here you really just have 38 year old guys going "my toys are more mature than your toys"

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:54:41 2021 No.8372139 >>8372134 What's your point? Some toys are more mature than other toys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 02:59:04 2021 No.8372145 >>8372139 didn't realize i had to spell out nuance for that to be obvious, while the point being is that they're toys

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 03:04:36 2021 No.8372152 >>8372145 And why is that important? Most people outgrow certain toys. If a 40 year old man is playing with GI Joes in public, are you saying that wouldn't look at them funny?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 03:06:01 2021 No.8372154 >>8372145 And why is that important? Certain toys are meant to be outgrown. If a 40 year old man is playing with GI Joes in public, are you saying that wouldn't look at them funny?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 03:08:29 2021 No.8372158 >>8372154 >comparing kingdom hearts to gi joe >ur beloved rpg is incomporable to both extreme retardation, bountiful, tenderly retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 03:15:35 2021 No.8372176 >>8372158 You're right. A 40 year old man playing Kingdom Hearts is far more cringe.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 05:10:51 2021 No.8372381

What are some other good recommended PC games?
I really loved Deus Ex, and I'm enjoying the shit out of Thief. I'm gonna finish Thief Gold, move onto Thief 2, but I don't know what I'm gonna play after that.
Anything else along those lines? I don't really like RTS's or CRPG's too much. I already tried S.T.A.L.K.E.R and it just didn't click quite as well as the others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 05:24:48 2021 No.8372395 >>8372381 Commandos Drakan Lords of the Realm 2

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 05:32:54 2021 No.8372414 >>8372395 I specifically asked for games that weren't like that tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 05:34:21 2021 No.8372418 >>8371918 >The Longest Journey, unless you're a lesbian Explain please.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 05:38:32 2021 No.8372427 >>8372414 I know :)

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 05:45:39 2021 No.8372435 >>8372381 System Shock II Splinter Cell if the stealth is what you enjoy about Thief (each of the first three is better than the last).

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 05:52:52 2021 No.8372448 Clunky crap with dogshit visuals, even for the time. Such was the gaming life of PC gamers in the 90s.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 06:14:35 2021 No.8372489 >>8371906 They're meme trash. Try selling them on eBay to see their true value to people. You might get $5 for Deus Ex.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 06:18:42 2021 No.8372491 >>8372119 You sound like an absolute faggot that huddles in his basement and plays D and D with other assorted faggots in between sessions of Wizardry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 06:21:13 2021 No.8372495 >>8372448 This. There's a reason why most of the games in op's image are dead franchises.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 06:27:16 2021 No.8372504 >>8372046 >metroid prime >ratchet and clank >final fantasy x >halo >6th gen Sonic >kingdom hearts >timesplitters >6th gen Zelda Jesus fucking Christ, what a hill to die on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 07:09:17 2021 No.8372542 >>8371906 Fallout Torment Deus Ex System Shock 2 all exceptional, high quality, accessible games

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 07:10:52 2021 No.8372546 >>8371906 Where the fuck is Tie Fighter???

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 07:13:20 2021 No.8372551

>>8371960
Ignorance is bliss.
I didn't even have time to play all the great games on consoles, so you have to pick and choose no matter what. I played many classics on original hardware which, although I didn't think about it at that time, is relatively hard to do now, whereas I can and have gone back and played a lot of classic PC titles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 07:33:16 2021 No.8372574 >>8372381 No One Lives Forever

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 07:56:17 2021 No.8372613 >>8372504 Sonic Adventure you faggot, and yes I will die on fucking Halo you enormous faggot. Kys contrarian, Halo is a masterpiece and better than Doom

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 07:57:28 2021 No.8372615 >>8372504 Oh wait nvm you're one of those gay cunts who parrots e-celebs so you think Sonic Adventure is shit. Your thoughts on Halo presumably come from that one e-celeb video saying Halo ruined shooters, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:03:55 2021 No.8372623 >>8372046 >no splitscreen why would anyone want this Also, are you unfamiliar with the concept of emulation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:06:54 2021 No.8372624 >>8371906 I don't see Star Control II in that image. Discarded.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:09:26 2021 No.8372629

>>8372504
>Metroid Prime
97 on metacritic (8.9 user score)
>Metroid Prime 2
92 on metacritic (8.9 user score)

>Ratchet and Clank
88 on metacritic (8.7 user score)
>Ratchet and Clank 2
90 on metacritic (8.9 user score)
>Ratchet and Clank 3
91 on metacritic (9.0 user score)
>Final Fantasy X
92 on metacritic (8.9 user score)
>Halo
97 on metacritic (8.7 user score)
>Halo 2
95 on metacritic (8.7 user score)
>Sonic Adventure
Not on metacritic, but 87 on Gamerankings
>Sonic Adventure 2
89 on metacritic (8.5 user score)
>Kingdom Hearts
85 on metacritic (8.8 user score)
>Kingdom Hearts 2
87 on metacritic (9.0 user score)
>Timesplitters
81 on metacritic (8.0 user score)
>Timesplitters 2
90 on metacritic (8.7 user score)
>Timesplitters 3
84 on metacritic (8.9 user score)
>Wind Waker
96 on metacritic (9.0 user score)
>Twilight Princess
96 on metacritic (8.9 user score)

So yeah, faggot, this is a very good hill to die on. Once more: kys contrarian

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:10:58 2021 No.8372634

>>8372623
>why would anyone want this
to play with your homies/siblings retard
>are you unfamiliar with the concept of emulation
I'm sorry you illiterate ESL cunt but I thought we were talking about people who lived in the late 90's and early 2000's. There was no PC scoffing at console kiddies in the 2004 emulating Halo splitscreen on their PC

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:12:55 2021 No.8372640 >>8372623 >why would anyone want this This has to be bait, this is severe retardation. I really cannot fathom what the fuck was going through your head. Fucking schizoid, there is no other explanation for this question of yours

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:15:52 2021 No.8372645 File: 18 KB, 360x240, 1415471682004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8372634 >>8372640 holy samefag look at this seething babby

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:17:35 2021 No.8372646 >>8372046 >Kingdom Hearts Cringed hard with that one buddy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:17:51 2021 No.8372648 >>8372645 following up on my previous message because I thought of additional details isn't samefagging you retard

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:23:28 2021 No.8372656 >>8371918 >>Warcraft III, should be warcraft 2 I love Warcraft 2 but 3 dabs on it in basically every way

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:26:02 2021 No.8372658 File: 17 KB, 204x255, below average.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8372629 >If it's popular that means it's good Whew

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:27:30 2021 No.8372661 >>8372658 YOU'RE THE ONE TALKING ABOUT HILLS TO DIE ON HOLY FUCK YOU ARE THE MOST OBNOXIOUS ESL FAGGOT I'VE SEEN Please no more. NEVER speak English again

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:30:31 2021 No.8372663 File: 572 KB, 768x605, 1634143175931.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8372613 >>8372615 >>8372629 Lifting the zoomercore ban was a mistake this board will never recover from.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 08:33:45 2021 No.8372667 >>8371906 No. fps, rts and modding was something consolefags couldnt haave. those games are shit besides starcraft "but i can ply fps on my ps2" No you cant

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 09:05:45 2021 No.8372703 >>8372004 That just makes you a child/casual who wants to come across like he isn't a child/casual

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 09:26:39 2021 No.8372749 >>8371906 Warcraft 3 and Baldurs Gate II are legit good. Baldurs Gate 1 is decent but nowhere near as good as 2. Diablo II is shit. Never played the rest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 10:13:04 2021 No.8372832 All these people appealing to popularity. Appealing to shit meta critic. Motr hardcore things are more niche. Jrpg are more hardcore then jrpg. Strategy is more hardcore then 3d platformers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 10:17:51 2021 No.8372840 >>8372832 >Jrpg are more hardcore then jrpg. them's fightin words

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 10:59:18 2021 No.8372901 >>8372009 >it's like 75% of you are favela monkeys Only 75%?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 11:04:39 2021 No.8372905 >>8372832 Sir this post is incomprehensible

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 12:12:39 2021 No.8373021

>>8371906
Of the ones there I've played, I think they're very good, you definitely have some of the finest PC gaming listed in that one image
You're only scratching the surface though, this image shows only RPGs and strategy games (PC had a legendary FPS scene for instance), hell, there's so many more good RPGs and strategy games on PC which aren't on that chart.

There's lots of good console games, thousands, many dear to my heart, but if you've never checked out PC games, it's worth giving them a look too. Many of the action games can be played with gamepads, if that's something you prefer.

>>8371918
Warcraft 2 is fun enough, but I think it's really a very shallow game next to Warcraft 3 and Starcraft.

>>8371960
92', I grew up with old consoles still around, as well as a couple of newer ones, along with PC. I had a great diversity of vidya at my disposal as a kid, and discovering emulation was like yet another dimension of games, getting to play so many console games I missed out on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 12:36:02 2021 No.8373067 For zoom-zooms who haven’t tried it, MOO2 is an incredible game that holds up today (inb4 muh grafficz). If its ground combat was on par with its space combat, it’d be a nearly perfect game. Endlessly replayable.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 12:40:34 2021 No.8373084
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>>8371982
True, for instance platformers is a rather dry subject for PC, started showing up in the early 90s when people like iD Software figured out how to make the hardware, and being able play console style games like that on PC was novel, but that market died down pretty soon, being outlived by their console counterpart.
It goes both ways too, strategy games has been a very narrow niche on consoles.

>>8372046
>[various good games]
Yes, you would not have everything that was great if you were only on PC, just like you wouldn't if you were only on consoles.

>splitscreen
What the fuck would you use splitscreen for on PC? For multiplayer you have real netplay, something which was largely rare on consoles until the 2000s, and still it took a while to get common.

>some games developed for consoles got less than great ports to PC
Indeed they did, and just the same, there were many good PC games which got horrible, HORRIBLE ports to consoles. This very much went both ways, anon, which is another good argument for having more than just one platform.
Just as well, there are some games which for a long time wouldn't emulate properly, so the only good way to play them remained on console.

>Must've hurt playing cs 1.6 for years in a row
Not really, it's a fun game, as is Quake and Doom. Just the same I didn't feel bad going back to Super Mario 64 and [insert Castlevania here] over the years. Fun games remained fun, and new fun games kept coming around.
Hell, many good PC games had strong modding scenes, where some people would create some very fun new games out of existing ones, Doom's, Quake's, and Half-Life's modding scenes are legendary, they even remain alive still, classics like Counter-Strike and Team-Fortress spawned from there.

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 13:03:56 2021 No.8373157
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>>8372504
Not to mention that many Sonic games had native PC ports
>Sonic CD
>Sonic 2
>Sonic 3&K
>Sonic 3D Blast
>Sonic R
>Sonic Adventure
>Sonic Heroes
>Sonic Riders
As well as many other Sega first party titles released on the Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast. Ecco PC was the definitive edition.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 13:15:23 2021 No.8373185 >>8372832 >Jrpg are more hardcore then jrpg Did you mean to say CRPGs? Absolutely true in that case. The only hardcore JRPGs are ones that were heavily influenced by 90s CRPGs. In fact, the JRPG genre wouldn't even exist without Ultima and Wizardry.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 14:10:20 2021 No.8373298 >>8373157 Was there a European PC release that used the Jap/Euro soundtrack, or did every PC release use the US soundtrack?

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 14:19:13 2021 No.8373321

>>8371906
Theres no real reason to play Baldurs Gate nowadays unless you have some weird fascination with the exact D&D settings and mechanics.
The gameplay systems have been done better in numerous other games, the writing and actual roleplaying choice is better in other games, and the mechanics themselves are full of stupid unnecessary tedium that didn't translate well to a video game.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 15:16:31 2021 No.8373450 >>8373321 Wrong, idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 19:25:15 2021 No.8374184 File: 5 KB, 229x220, 1637444692683.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8372418 Dyke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 19:38:02 2021 No.8374243 >>8372613 Halo is kiddie trash in comparison, take back what you said. No game in which you play as someone that shoots things is better than DOOM. You are not retro, friend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 19:39:03 2021 No.8374251 >>8372629 Get a load of this kid and his hoard of zoomer normie trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 19:40:12 2021 No.8374254 >>8372661 The other guy is right though, you have shitty non retro tastes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:19:37 2021 No.8374417 >>8371906 Must play are >desu ex >starcraft >thief >stalker overrated territory but worth a shot >diablo >fallout

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:23:13 2021 No.8374435 >>8372046 >didn't have sonic >didn't have fighting games >Must've hurt playing cs 1.6 for years in a row cope

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:26:10 2021 No.8374443 >>8372613 Shittiest taste on this board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:28:35 2021 No.8374451 >>8373084 >What the fuck would you use splitscreen for on PC? Why not? For one it's always good to have an option. Also families don't often have more than one computer.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:33:07 2021 No.8374471 >>8373157 Ports that came years later with bugs

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:38:07 2021 No.8374487 >>8374471 That's not even true, keep seething.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:40:54 2021 No.8374495 western garbage

Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:47:39 2021 No.8374512

>>8372629
What are you trying to prove with this post?
This whole wall of "player reviews" means literally nothing.
Why don't you go play those games you so like (and they might be good games) but spamming a whole wall like that just screams idiocy and insecurity.
I want to make it clear I'm not trying to shit on your opinions but with your mannerism I'll suspect you'll just dismiss any post disagreeing as trolling.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 20:56:47 2021 No.8374530 >>8372046 >didn't have fighting games We had the best one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fGM1cvUQv8

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:00:44 2021 No.8374541 >>8371906 PC "Gamers" happily and voluntarily gave up the use of physical media and owning games. As such, do you think they are worth listening to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:07:00 2021 No.8374554 >>8374541 Never heard of GOG? Physical discs and hardware are inherently a form of DRM.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:11:37 2021 No.8374563 >>8374554 Yes, because GoG will certainly outlive optical media. Dumbass. Enjoy paying Valve for the permission to rent games through their spyware.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:14:41 2021 No.8374569 >>8374563 why are you pretending I can't download any game I want and play it anytime I want?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:19:05 2021 No.8374582 >>8374563 >Yes, because GoG will certainly outlive optical media Offline installers don't expire, dumbass

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:33:00 2021 No.8374616 >>8372021 better yet, go to gog-games.com and download them for free, play them, and stop making stupid threads

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 21:40:15 2021 No.8374634 >>8374541 We didn't. The new gen bred on steam did. Also CS fags (basically all of eastern europe) were bullied into it. >>8374554 Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 22:06:23 2021 No.8374685 >>8374634 You apparently don't remember the dark years before Steam, when many PC games had intrusive DRM like SecuRom and Starforce, which was essentially malware.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 22:07:28 2021 No.8374689 >>8374541 PC gamers acquire their games for free, dude.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 22:22:21 2021 No.8374721 >>8371906 You can sit a PC gamer in front of the ugliest, jankiest garbage you’ve ever seen, and add a few stats under the hood and some dialogue trees and he’ll call it the best shit ever made

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 29 22:30:13 2021 No.8374749 >>8371906 If I could only choose one, I would keep the console games of that period. But yeah those are all great games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 02:09:55 2021 No.8375158 >>8371906 Only if you like pc games. These games are arguably the best in their genre. At the very least they are certified classics. Think of the best 2d platformer. Now imagine that these games is that game but for RTS/Strategy/CRPGS/FPS

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 02:46:21 2021 No.8375209 >>8372009 My upper middle class parents hated video games and didn't let me or my brother buy any console even with our own money.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 02:48:46 2021 No.8375214 >>8372046 Miss me with all that weeb shit, Silent hill and MGS are the only games from that list I wanted to play as a kid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 04:46:04 2021 No.8375440 >>8374685 >DRM >Before Steam >Should i inform him that Steam itself implements DRM in every game they put on their platform? The only DRM free games are on GoG or abandonware sites (cracked)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 05:06:24 2021 No.8375481 >>8371914 >Try em and find out Playing video games? Not on my /vr/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 05:11:44 2021 No.8375493 >>8375440 Dont bother, Steam cultists will never accept the overall blow that shit service caused to PC gaming as an open platform.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 05:22:45 2021 No.8375517

>>8375440
There are actually DRM-free games on Steam though.
>n-no I mean Steam's own D-
Yes I know, there are DRM-free games on Steam.
Meanwhile the virtuous GOG (it's not and never was GoG) had Hitman on there recently which has aggressive DRM in it, CDPR said all the customers leaving negative reviews were simply review-bombers until it got too much to ignore and had to pull it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 09:54:32 2021 No.8375973 >>8374685 >You apparently don't remember the dark years before Steam Eat shit and fucking die, PC gaming was at its absolute peak RIGHT BEFORE steam became popular. Steam didn't save PC games, it leeched off its success of the time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 10:03:00 2021 No.8375986 >>8375440 Not all DRM is equally bad. Starforce would literally brick people's computers. I buy as many games from GOG as possible, but I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't much worse before Steam.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 10:05:19 2021 No.8375989
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It's really a shame to see what happened to pc gaming.
Tho it's not like modern console gaming fared all that much better,
Lets just all agree that everything slowly going to shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 11:33:20 2021 No.8376210 >>8371906 Yes, except for Stalker. And replace Warcraft ROC with TFT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:04:32 2021 No.8376284 >>8372119 What a fucking manchild.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:12:29 2021 No.8376304 >>8371906 >UT not listed Dropped.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 12:30:07 2021 No.8376354 >>8372629 Imagine being so fucking retarded that you post reviews to prove anything.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 13:01:46 2021 No.8376430

>>8375986
This. Steam's always online is a bunch of shit and I hate it, and it's one of the reasons I barely touch games on there these days, but it's not nearly as bad as some DRM schemes (and Steam also provides multiplayer hosting for all kinds of small games and mods).
You can fucking uninstall Steam and be rid of it, have fun doing that with Starforce or SecuRom, which will also go full tilt if do inoccous shit like try to use both of your disc drives at once.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 18:50:32 2021 No.8377346

>>8371918
>Starcraft, unless you're korean
i get what you're saying, but i played a lot of starcraft when i was a kid and even though the rts genre is dead i'd say the single player campaign is still very enjoyable. and starcraft is arguably still the best in the genre if you're into retro real time strategy

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 21:59:18 2021 No.8377845

>>8372381
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is a weird beast, try playing Shadow of Chernobyl and treat it more like RPG than FPS, its one of better fusions of these two genres and its worth giving it another shot because its unique enough to spawn its own sub-genre of games
>Hitman: Codename 47
very jank, didnt age well, but a landmark in game technology, if its a bit too old for you go for Hitman: Contracts, which goes directly into Hitman: Blood Money. Reason for it is because Contracts retells some events of first game through memories of main character as he is tripping due to gunshot wound he suffered.
>C&C: Red Alert 2
RTS that doesnt take itself too seriously and promotes aggressive play, if you think its too silly you can go and play C&C: Tiberium Sun, which is more serious, or go completely other direction and play RA2: Yuri's Revenge, which is an expansion that goes even crazier. Older games in C&C series are good, but harder to enjoy when you got used to modern RTS mechanics.
>Return to Castle Wolfenstein
basically what nu-wolf games wished they were, one hell of an fps that goes from usual nazis to shoot to crazy experiments to occult in various locations around globe. game turned 20 recently and is still very fondly remembered (partially for SS assassins in catsuits)
>Blitzkrieg
old ruskie RTS with pause, will grind you to dust if you play these games as "select all my dudes and rightclick on enemy" type
>Max Payne
campy noire classic from land of finland, came out on ps2 but that version sucked. very quotable story, fun gameplay with adaptable difficulty that seems to be actually locked to highest on pc version.
>Stronghold
RTS but for people who like to build fortifications and turtle, except you will learn at some point that attack is best defence.
>Unreal '99
lesser known game because everyone only remembers Unreal Tournament. best way to think of it is Metroid: Prime before its times.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 22:44:08 2021 No.8377920 >>8371906 Picked up Arcanum's manual at work the other day. Great condition.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 22:50:49 2021 No.8377938
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>>8377845
Return To Castle Wolfenstein is still the peak of Wolfenstein, it's somewhat hitscan heavy, but that's true to Wolfenstein 3D, and it's done in a way which works for fast action, a lot like the original, but with added depth and variety. It also has some nice bosses, the completed Super Soldiers are legit FUCKING menacing and difficult to fight on Medium and Hard, especially that time you fight two of them at once, they're so good at killing you that they end up suppressing and flanking you really well.

Sick music and atmosphere, as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sr78BuSEf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cykVlKLNBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYshwoZNJPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smodxhIZmzc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-sH4ewNioM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnYCHN3qw2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMdvx8Dkt0s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GirADcFCMVw

I also think it has the best mix and variety of Nazi super science and the occult, and just about the right amount of plot and exposition. I feel that TNO was pretty decent, but I also thought 09' was pretty decent, even if both of them have flaws, and are not as good as RTCW (and 09' is particularly flawed). TOB was kind of meh, and TNC sounded so bad that I actually have yet to play it, TYB sounds even worse.
Wolf3D itself has a particular cartoony aesthetic missing from the rest of the series, and I can see why it was moved away from as technology allowed for so much more, but there's honestly aspects of that stuff I miss.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 22:54:43 2021 No.8377945 >>8377938 I think Return to Castle Wolfenstein did Wolfenstein better.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 22:57:17 2021 No.8377948 >>8377945 I literally wrote that Return To Castle Wolfenstein is the peak.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:06:50 2021 No.8377975 >>8371906 Warcraft 3 was the beggining of the end for quality blizzard rts

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:14:48 2021 No.8377989 [DELETED]

>>8377845
>Unreal '99 -lesser known game because everyone only remembers Unreal Tournament.
Nobody refers to it as Unreal '99, because it came out in fucking 1998. It was also a big deal at the time because of its tech.
>best way to think of it is Metroid: Prime before its times.
Retard.

Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:17:28 2021 No.8377990

>>8377845
>Unreal '99 -lesser known game because everyone only remembers Unreal Tournament.
Nobody refers to it as Unreal '99, because it came out in 1998. It was also a big deal at the time for gaming tech enthusiasts.
>best way to think of it is Metroid: Prime before its times.
Retard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:20:20 2021 No.8378000 >>8377990 it gets referred to as unreal '99 because thats the last complete version of it, just like final doom is separate entry from doom 2 and U'99 comes with expansion that, while shit, is more content anyway >Retard. no u

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 30 23:23:43 2021 No.8378005 >>8378000 Show me one article that refers to it as Unreal '99

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 08:37:51 2021 No.8378765 >>8377938 >TNO, TOB, TNC, TYB dude, you're aware you on /vr/, right? How am I supposed to know what these acronyms mean? The only one I could guess is "the new order" because it was all over the place when it released.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 08:39:18 2021 No.8378769 >>8377990 >Nobody refers to it as Unreal '99 https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=UT99

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 08:43:00 2021 No.8378783
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>>8371906
They where amazing for their time and are still good games.
New people play them now a days for context on the gaming industry and genre trends.
Like how we still read Shakespeare even though we have evolved past his time and style. We read him for context in the progression in the medium.

Sorry for getting 5 head big brain, talking out my ass take.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 08:52:11 2021 No.8378796 >>8378783 I play them because they are still infinitely more fun than most modern games

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 08:54:31 2021 No.8378797 >>8378769 >Unreal Tournament 99 Idiot. We were talking about the original game that came out in 1998.

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 11:59:48 2021 No.8379139

>>8378000
This doesn't make any sense. Are you talking about Unreal Gold? Because that's the retail re-release that came with the Na Pali expansion and patches. Unreal (the original SP game) was released in 98' and was always simply referred to as Unreal (1). UT99 is the same as Unreal Tournament (the MP focused game from 1999), they just put the emphasis on the year it came out (99) to differentiate from other Unreal games in the series (UT2003/UT2004 etc.)

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 12:51:30 2021 No.8379247 >>8378796 This. I walked away from modern games years ago when I realized that most of them are either unavoidable cutscenes with a little gaming in between or PTW scams. Older games were more honest: you shell out $50 and you get a game. Done.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 18:17:22 2021 No.8380027 >>8378765 Infer it from context? Anyway, as a whole, the new Wolfenstein games still aren't nearly as good as RTCW.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 18:26:11 2021 No.8380041 >>8371906 PC gaming is the most casual shit ever. All those games offers no challenge at all. You can save at any time and undo a mistake instantly

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 18:29:52 2021 No.8380048

>>8371906
>deus ex
great, but use gmdx. yes, it changes the gameplay, but it makes sense. usually i don't recommend mods that change gameplay, but this one is good.
>bg2
good, but play bg1 first. this takes a more...you know how magic the gathering has mild scifi elements? it's dark fantasy, but it's got a...giger...edge? also, there's a part with dark elves that's pretty lewd, especially if you like bdsm. the writing in this holds up fairly well, but it's aged.
>torment
cool, but the writing has aged. it's like a pretty good late 90s sci-fi channel show. aesthetically speaking at least, i find the main char doesn't lend itself well to being a mage. or a thief. he looks like a barbarian and there's nothing you can do about it.
>starcraft
don't bother with the multiplayer unless you want to compete with niggas who've been playing it for 20 years. single player is still good and engrossing.
>thief 1
pretty good, but not all the missions are stealth missions, so adjust your expectations. (they're kinda...dungeon diving...cool on paper, but i didn't want them)
>system shock 2
extremely good. graphics are very old...there really aren't any mods to make it look good. download a bug fix patch. google. should be easy to find. go ahead and consult a guide for building your char because some of the abilities available are complete trash even though they seem good.

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 18:46:52 2021 No.8380102

>>8380048
cunt.

>gothic 2
heard it's good
>warcraft 3
after playing WoW so long nothing about warcraft interests me anymore. but i heard this is a solid game. expect corny dialog and bad voice acting
>fo1
excellent in every way. i can't remember if this needs a modernization patch, but be prepared to find one
>bg1
excellent in every way. more open ended than bg2. feels much more like an adventure. can't recommend it enough. some of the jokes don't hold up. word on the street is the remaster extra content is bad and includes at least one transgender character and the story was written by someone with very poor taste...you can look into the drama if you're curious, but i'd say save yourself the trouble. stop when you kill the big bad.
>arcanum
started it up one time but didn't get hooked. it's basically steampunk fallout. it's the only steampunk game i've ever played to do the genre justice. definitely on my play some day list
>d2
a number of hidden mechanics, especially as it relates to mana. you may want to copy a build from online until you get the hang of it. otherwise you may run into situations where you can't seem to kill a boss and there's no clear reason why. the remaster is good, but runs like shit sometimes, has minor but unnecessary changes to some of the ambient sounds, and they seem to have censored one of the statues that had titties.
>stalker
excellent game. you probably already know you're gonna need to patch the shit out of this one. has some weird shit going on with the difficulty...higher = your bullets are more accurate, lower = your bullets are less accurate. figure that one out. most people just play on the highest difficulty, which isn't very hard and the game gets more reasonable when you get better weapons.

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:00:54 2021 No.8380138

>>8380041
>I will go out of my way to abuse a feature of convenience intentionally, as to deprive myself of a challenge
Savescumming is the same thing as using cheat codes (or feeding quarters into an arcade machine), it's there, you can use it, letting you trivialize any challenge a game may offer, but why wouldn't you feel compelled to simply play normally? Most people exhibit a quality that is called 'restraint', I'm certain that you have heard of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:06:07 2021 No.8380149 >>8371906 >RoC TFT is the mandatory one.

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:19:01 2021 No.8380182

>>8380102
>after playing WoW so long nothing about warcraft interests me anymore. but i heard this is a solid game. expect corny dialog and bad voice acting
I can see your perspective. Warcraft 3 I think is a lot better than WoW though, and it's a great RTS, if you like Starcraft, you would probably like Warcraft 3.

IMO Warcraft 3 was Blizzard's last great game.

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:36:34 2021 No.8380214

>>8380102
>excellent in every way. more open ended than bg2. feels much more like an adventure. can't recommend it enough.
Agree. I love BG2 as well, but BG1 feels much more freeform, there's so much open wilderness you can just explore through as you feel like, and usually there's going to be at least SOMETHING interesting in every area. BG2 really lacked this.

>some of the jokes don't hold up.
I can't think of any which made me cringe or 'anti-laugh.'

>word on the street is the remaster extra content is bad and includes at least one transgender character and the story was written by someone with very poor taste...you can look into the drama if you're curious, but i'd say save yourself the trouble.
I don't remember if there was a tranny, but I also used a patch to remove the shit new characters from BGEE, because they're really bad.
Pic related has some details, and the famous copypasta. If you pirate it and fix it, it's acceptable, but you don't actually get the true experience of the first game, which was more firmly placed in 2E D&D, as opposed to the sequels more flashy and advanced 2.5E D&D which EE builds into it.
I think playing a BG2-ified BG1 is fine, I had a lot of fun (and importing your character from BG1 to BG2 also gets a lot more straightforward), but I also think that an original BG1 is very much worth experiencing for how it's different.

>stop when you kill the big bad.
What, the final boss? Yeah, I mean, the game ends there, what other options do you have?

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:38:02 2021 No.8380216 File: 379 KB, 1840x1828, enhanced edition.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8380214 Forgot my fucking picture like a faggot. Anyway, if anyone wants to play EE, that's ok, but they MUST not pay for it, and they MUST fix it with patches.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:38:40 2021 No.8380217 >>8380182 >if you like Starcraft, you would probably like Warcraft 3. Apple and oranges. War3's gameplay being centered around heroes.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:41:21 2021 No.8380218 >>8380216 I love how the thread link became a permanent part of the pasta.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:45:30 2021 No.8380227 File: 558 KB, 640x1316, horo sim.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8373067 >the only mention of moo2 There isn't much 4X strategy on the consoles. This is one of the few titles in the OP that they can't duplicate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 19:55:58 2021 No.8380250 They're all fun games in their own right, I'll be a D2fag and jerk off Planescape: Torment until the day I die

>>	Anonymous Wed Dec 1 20:00:13 2021 No.8380261 None of those games are very good, because I've never played them.

Anonymous Wed Dec 1 23:01:47 2021 No.8380735
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>>8371906
Only one that's overrated is System Shock 2.
>>8372046
>pc didn't have metroid prime
Already had System Shock in 1994 if you wanted FPS exploration games. MP is literally just consolized system shock
>didn't have ratchet and clank
Already had 3D platformers like Rayman 2 on PC
>didn't have final fantasy x
Sorry, can't hear you over these RPGs that aren't linear cinematic dogshit.
>got halo late with bugs and no splitscreen
Oh no, the console FPS gets a shitty PC release in sea of better FPS games designed for PC
Anyway
>got gta late with bugs
One year after the PS2 releases, with custom soundtracks, resolution options, and mods. Console niggers gonna seethe
>didn't have sonic
Except it did with CD, R, and mediocre ports of SA1 and Heroes. Sonics 1 and 2 were also in PC compilations by Sega. And that's not even counting emulation.
>kingdom hearts
Thank god
>got mgs1 and 2 late with bugs, didn't get mgs3
You didn't get Thief, and got worse versions of Hitman and Splinter Cell
>got silent hill 2 late with bugs
Finally you got one, took long enough
>didn't have fighting games
What is VF Remix, VF2, Last Bronx, SF2 Turbo, Virtual On, SFA2, Mortal Kombat
>didn't have timesplitters
See Halo
>zelda
Who gives a shit

Must've hurt playing final fagasy years in a row
>>8372629
>>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 09:01:09 2021 No.8381813 >>8372418 I haven't played it in like 20 years so I couldn't pick apart why, but I played it to death and am a lesbian, so that checks out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 13:31:18 2021 No.8382834 >>8375973 Steam was a fucking blight for years outside of the US, because the non US servers were laughably shit, and games that would take 10 minutes to install via disk could now take 3 days to install via online download. Fuck Steam.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 13:33:01 2021 No.8382839 >>8382834 I've been there. Took me around a week to download HL2 when I had the fucking disk it refused to install from it because of the DRM.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 13:35:56 2021 No.8382849

>>8380048
>great, but use gmdx. yes, it changes the gameplay, but it makes sense. usually i don't recommend mods that change gameplay, but this one is good.
GMDX completely changes the balancing of levels as almost all of the maps are designed around vanilla's poor AI. If you want everything after mid Hong Kong to require constant explosives or pure stealth because of every AI on the map rushing through the same door at once, use GMDX.
>higher = your bullets are more accurate, lower = your bullets are less accurate.
This isn't even true.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 14:33:14 2021 No.8383013

>>8371906
>Deus Ex
Not a fan but from what I played of it, it was alright. I didn't like how annoying the pacifist playthough ended up being which I know is 1) part of the point and 2) not really set up that way but still autistically annoyed me.
>Baldur's Gate 2
Great game made into a near perfect game with the right mods.
>Planescape
Great story but the combat leaves a lot to be desired. A remake of it in the BG2 engine would perhaps be the perfect game. Still worth a playthrough or two cause the story really is fun and interesting
>Fallout 2
Amazing game. Pretty much tackled all my complaints with 2 and improved on them. Some people dislike that it's more silly in tone but the ability to take your time (for the most part) and the sheer amount of content makes it a joy to play
>Thief
The granddaddy of all stealth games and it's amazing. Seriously if you like anything with sneaking around then play this game.
>SS2
Very very good. I think the horror aspects get WAY overplayed but it's a game never the less.
>Fallout 1
It's alright. Very good setting and the general world building and mood.
>BG 1
No reason to play it in the original engine but it's also very enjoyable
>Arcanum
Horrible game. The world building is top tier but the actual story is boring and holy fuck the combat is awful
>Thief 2
Thief 1 but more. If you like the first one you'll like this one.

Haven't played the others.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 14:34:34 2021 No.8383014 >>8375209 Nice LARP juan

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 17:37:05 2021 No.8383453 >>8382849 hahaha you double don't know what the fuck you're talking about. you had to savescum through the last chapters because you fucking suck. yes, that is correct about stalker. you don't zoomity zoom know what the zoom you're zooming about.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 17:39:40 2021 No.8383461 >>8371906 At least Morrowind's not on here

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 18:32:50 2021 No.8383615 >>8383461 Morrowind is a genuinely good game though.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 18:35:32 2021 No.8383620

>>8383013
> A remake of it in the BG2 engine would perhaps be the perfect game
Honestly not getting this part. PsT:EE is exactly this - reimplementation on the Throne of Baal engine. Original PsT code is lost, all Infinity EE games are based on the same version of Infinity engine which sources resurfaced in 2013.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 18:42:56 2021 No.8383635 >>8383620 >PsT:EE is exactly this Oh? I haven't played it since I still have the original version. So the EE actually does fix the combat? It might just be worth buying then.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 18:43:01 2021 No.8383636

>>8383615
>Combat
Click n miss, then eventually just click. Really boring and uninteresting.
>Story
Decent for a TES game.
>Music
Good, but lazily implemented as the same few tracks are repeated ad nauseum no matter where you go
>Quests
MMO tier fetch quests with one or two standouts here and there
>Animations/Graphics
Dated as hell

It's a painfully average game at best. No I don't have a zoomer fried brain. The game is not as great as people say. Unless you have huge nostalgia for it, it's just not that good. And no I'm not biased towards Oblivion/Skyrim. Those games are painfully mediocre without mods.

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 18:44:22 2021 No.8383640

>>8383636
I don't really mind the combat and it gets really fun when you start doing magic shit and can make your own spells and junk.
Also a lot of the quests are good, not just one branch like some elder scrolls games.
I'm glad I'm not a graphicsfags.

I'd say it's still good. The combat meme is just a weak con when you can fix it by just knowing how to build a character.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 20:51:52 2021 No.8383970 >>8383013 >BG 1 >No reason to play it in the original engine What do you mean?

Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:13:26 2021 No.8384042

>>8383970
There's a couple of really really popular fanmod that imports the entire game into the BG 2 engine. The EE games also do the same thing.
It allows more character creation stuff, makes it easier to paly mods made for it that do stuff like tweak gameplay as well as having a more consistent rulesets between the two since some things were buffed and nerfed respectively between the two games.
Also the screen size different is really insane. You'd have to go look at pictures but BG 1 has a much worse overall resolution.

Not that the original BG 1 engine is unplayable or anything and you can totally just play the original game if you want.

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 2 21:22:22 2021 No.8384067 >>8371906 What made Warcraft 3 great was the sheer amount of user content generated by the world editor. You can't fully appreciate it if you didn't play it during the golden age of custom games. The base game is still alright though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:39:24 2021 No.8384798 >>8371906 These games are shovelware

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 01:52:10 2021 No.8384831 >>8374685 >Before steam Intrusive DRMs are still around even today, though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 02:58:47 2021 No.8384943 >>8381813 youre a straight man with a crossdressing fetish.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 03:00:35 2021 No.8384952 >>8371906 Why are you so angry?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 03:03:30 2021 No.8384958 >>8372629 >unironically using metacritic I like some of those games but hot damn, stop

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 03:05:52 2021 No.8384962 >>8383453 >yes, that is correct about stalker. It isn't, it's a lie by people who never played the game to completion, or at all. You picked it up on Reddit and parrot it despite never having played the game.

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 03:22:36 2021 No.8384997

>>8377845
Not retro but I'm trying E.Y.E Divine Cybermancy and it's pretty fun, but I broke the game and now I have to reroll a new character.
I'm probably going to try out S.T.A.L.K.E.R again, before moving on to Thief 2. I want a break from that stealth stuff

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 06:56:16 2021 No.8385405

Why do I find it so hard to get into PC games compared to console games? I can pick up any mediocre console game and have fun with it, but a PC game generally has to be truly exceptional for me to get over that initial hump to the point that I can enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 07:34:06 2021 No.8385509 >>8385405 you are not obligated to like every "common likeable" game out there

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 07:44:01 2021 No.8385529 >>8385405 Simple. The main demographic for consoles were children and casuals, so the games were largely designed to be accessible. PC gaming was more niche and heavily skewed towards older gamers.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 07:48:58 2021 No.8385542 >>8371906 this list must be made by americans since there are no strategy games on it

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 07:51:53 2021 No.8385548

>>8385405
Simple. The main demographic for consoles were children and casuals, so most console games were designed to be accessible. PC gaming was more niche and mature, so developers tried to appeal to people by making their games complex and innovative, which often came at the cost of accessibility.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 07:54:36 2021 No.8385556 >>8385548 I spoke in the past tense because PC gaming is a very different landscape today, although it still holds some truth.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 08:37:02 2021 No.8385616 >>8371906 You know it's sincere because not even Doom is on the list. And it takes some effort not to put that game on a PC games list.

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 09:02:45 2021 No.8385650

>>8385548
>children
>causals
your PC masterrace syndrom is showing.
>mature
that word doesn't mean shit

Inherent difference is controller input - genres which could be easily controlled on PC were hard to pull of on console. You can make grand strategy on consoles, RTS, cRPG with dialogue choice, and people did. They just were clunky and weren't suited for the system considering lower resolution output.
There is nothing "hardcore and mature" about old PC games. They are fine. Just different from consoles wise cause different genre evolution thanks to hardware specifics.
And old consoles game are fine too. Stop being elitist bitch.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 09:30:03 2021 No.8385692 >>8385650 You are in denial if you think there weren't significantly more casuals and children playing on consoles than on PC. If I recall, less than 10% of PC gamers were below the age of 20 in the 90s.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 09:30:08 2021 No.8385694 File: 18 KB, 295x473, 1540267001698.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>8372046 ;:o)

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 09:43:36 2021 No.8385723
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>>8385692
if we talk 80s - early 90s - maybe you'd had a point, cause PC actually cost money and was more of a work machine.
And even then - don't act like PC was never marketed towards kids as well as games with it. You gonna ignore all non-IBM ones too? Like Spectrum or Amiga.
Your wish to separate casuals and kids from "true gamer like yourself" is way too blatant.
Especially with statistics put out of your ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 09:48:58 2021 No.8385734 >>8371906 You must of been extremely poor not to afford a pc in the 90's I had handhelds consoles and pc and I'm not even considered a richfag

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:03:55 2021 No.8385760

>>8385723
Nah bro, I'm just stating facts.
Even in the late 90s, parents weren't buying their kids computers for Chirstmas like they were PS1s and N64s. It just didn't happen very often.
There were PC games made for kids, yes, but the expectation was that they were playing on their parent's computer.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:09:24 2021 No.8385771 File: 46 KB, 599x435, hardcoregamergirl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] There is no such thing as a hardcore gamer that doesn't game on PC

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:09:53 2021 No.8385773

>>8385760
okay, facts you pulled out of your ass, sure.
and again, ignoring every non-ibm pc out there, as well as any non major country.
I guess it's hard to give up your "true gamer PC master race privilege"
whenever I see you fucks, your kind is insufferable, you are always full of shit.
t. person who grew up with PC, thank fuck I managed to get out of this mindset.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:12:24 2021 No.8385776 >>8385773 u are silly retard >>8385760 based

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:18:12 2021 No.8385793

>>8371906
The persistent theme I've noticed in PC games is none of the game play is ever good, it's often made without any theory and at best is loosely joined together with a mish-mash of out of place table top RPG mechanics and walls of text. The more action focused games like Thief and System Shock 2 are supreme jank and even the biggest fans will agree there are some truly irredeemable levels in those games, SS2 in particular completely shitting the bed by the time you get to the rickenbacker.

I can't speak for the motives on why these games are praised so heavily but they definitely aren't as good as the best console games. The best thing about them is the theoretical qualities to them. Deus Ex would be amazing if not for the shit skill progression system making the game play feel so awful. Stalker would be great if the game wasn't so horrendously broken. Thief 2 would be remarkable if not for casing the joint & masks. It's always missed potential, and it's not like a small missed potential like rupees being useless in Ocarina of Time after the second kid dungeon. It's major missed potential like "oh this one off dialog flag was so cool! Shame they never did it again for the rest of the game despite it being advertised as a feature!"

The whole premise of pushing these left field games as secretly teh bestest everer is a numbskull position. Nobody slept on well known PC games, they treated them exactly as they were. They just weren't as good as PC gamers pretend them to be. Maybe it's a desire to front the hardware specs as a secondary to taste as to why PC gaming is better or something, but man the games just aren't great.

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:21:41 2021 No.8385798
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>>8385773
I don't know what the average age demographic was for 5th gen consoles, but I'll bet that it was below the age of 14.
>t. person who grew up with PC, thank fuck I managed to get out of this mindset.
You probably grew too fat and lazy for serious computer games

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>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:29:45 2021 No.8385815 >>8385793 >I've noticed in PC games is none of the game play is ever good, Most of the games listed in the OP have good gameplay. Of the ones I've played, Arcanum is the only expectation to that

Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:36:42 2021 No.8385826
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>>8385798
>doesn't even provide the source of the image.
yes, I bet 1000 or so people at best who took the survey represent entire demographic in the entire world
>You probably grew too fat and lazy for serious computer games
no, I'm just usually sick of PC cause I work in front of it for entire day, can't exactly relax in front of it either. Each year I play less and less, but still do play.
Or should I instead photo my copy of Jagged Alliance 2 or something? Like dunno, Parkan? Perimeter? Massive Assault?

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:42:49 2021 No.8385838 >>8385826 Sugarcoat it however you want, but you became a old lazy bastard. Don't take it personally. It happens to the best of us.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 10:44:26 2021 No.8385842 >>8385826 >Parkan >Perimeter >Massive Assault You are 100% Russian btw, lol.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 11:47:57 2021 No.8385985 >>8384831 Starting with steam.

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 3 11:49:44 2021 No.8385995 >>8385405 You have lower standards when playing on consoles. t. jumped on consoles about 5 years ago after being a life long player on PC, and I've been eating shovelware by the ton ever since.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 4 00:36:59 2021 No.8387828 >>8371906 Baldurs gate was based

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