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8237762 No.8237762 [Reply] [Original]

No RGB output for PS1, only HDMI. Gee Mister, that's not good hardware emulation.

>> No.8237784

>>8237762
misterfags eternally BLOWN THE FUCK OUT

>> No.8237797

>>8237762
source?

>> No.8237798

>>8237762
cant even play ps1 on it yet

>> No.8237862

If you see a MiSTer fag, always remind them that it's emulation. Never miss an opportunity.

>> No.8238024

>>8237797
the guy making the ps1 core. going to require a second stick of ram, which means you can't use the IO board. Have to use direct video through HDMI

>> No.8238032

>>8238024
source?

>> No.8238038

>>8237762
That probably means no analog output for the saturn core and the, hypothetical, n64 core

>> No.8238067

>>8238032
his twitter

>> No.8238083

>>8237762
rasberry pi is better

>> No.8238090

>>8238067
He never said that

>> No.8238096

>>8238067
source?

>> No.8238108

>>8237862
Deep inside, they know.

>> No.8238123

>>8238090
yes he did
>>8238096
his twitter

>> No.8238124

input lag.

>> No.8238157

>>8238123
Okay OP. No proof whatsoever... this thread is dead

>> No.8238173

>>8238024
Since the HDMI port can already be reconfigured for analog output that seems fine.

>> No.8238181

>>8238157
He posted on his twitter that for the initial core release it's going to use a 2nd RAM stick for the sound to make it easier but once the core is debugged he'll go back and figure out how to do it with 1 RAM unit.

>> No.8238191

>>8238157
This is some massive cope.

>> No.8238192

>>8237762
>No RGB output for PS1, only HDMI.

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Direct-Video

/thread

>> No.8238208

>zero screenshots of posts, or links to the dev's twitter which would have made the thread worthwhile
>only link in the thread relates to Direct-Video, which can output RGB through a DAC, if they'd bothered to read the wiki.
>grasping faggots still not realising the MiSTer project is still in its infancy, cores will continue to be worked upon, and more hardware add-ons will be made
shit thread

>> No.8238213

>>8237762
bro you're 35 learn a skill

>> No.8238221

>>8238024
Do you not know what direct video is?

At worst, this means that you might need a new IO board if the audio winds up requiring a second stick for the sake of timing issues.

If it does work out that way, I hope that 32MB is enough for the second RAM slot.

>> No.8238270

>>8238181
>>8238173
>>8238192
MisTer just keeps winning bros

>> No.8238525
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8238525

Welcome to another seething poorfag thread.

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8238603

>>8238525
You are the poorfag for not playing on real hardware

>> No.8238641

>>8238603
You don't have to play on real hardware to own real hardware. OTH, you do have to be poor to bitch for over a year about $300.

>> No.8238659
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8238659

Wait, you people actually care about mister? Not only do you care, but a number of you ACTUALLY OWN ONE? I thought this was some shitty niche thing that was widely understood to be a comically undeveloped at best, entirely nonfunctional at worst, emulation platform with nothing special going for it and you may as well use real hardware, emulate, and/or make a cheap pc for crt emudriver. Why the absolute hell would you even consider buying a mister?

>> No.8238673

>>8238641
Why would someone buy Mister if they have real hardware?

>> No.8238674

>>8238659
Find me a cheaper option that lets me use my Justifier, Super Scope, Zapper, and Phaser, and all their supported titles. Not my Menacer though, fuck that thing.

>> No.8238730

>spend $300 to emulate ps1 games
>justify having to spend another $60 for something any toaster can do
the sunk cost cope is real

>> No.8238995

>>8238673
The one guy who has full libraries of every system MiSTer supports doesn't even play games. For me, I was able to sell a bunch of shit I had coomlected and free up space in my house. Of course I still have my childhood hardware, but it's all packed up and hasn't been touched since I got the MiSTer. I don't have to mess around with cables and power packs and controllers and keep a huge CRT maintained to swap between systems.

>> No.8239097

>>8238208
Literally just go to his Twitter lol

>> No.8239109

I love the swap system meme, all you need is a receiver. I had one before I even decided to set up all my consoles at once because my dad is an audiophile coomlector and he gave me his old one after he replaced his. But even without that you could just get a cheap AV switch. Either way it's as simple as hitting a button and now you've effortlessly switched between consoles.

>> No.8239130

You'll probably like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbuHErNQGs

>> No.8239160

>>8239109
So now you need a powered SCART switch (probably 2 if you have a decent number of consoles), and you need to plug 20 power bricks in to power all your systems. And most of these bricks are pretty shit and constantly draw power even though the systems are off.

But yeah, "effortless".

Even if you literally happen to have all this shit lying around, it's still probably cheaper to just buy a MiSTer over a couple of flashcarts.

>> No.8239174

>>8239160
You have to remember that most of this board are zoomers who have never even seen a power brick. They don't know what they don't know.

>> No.8239180

>>8239160
scart switch? Sorry I'm not a MLIG tranny. I have a hand me down receiver with normal composite and RCA inputs, no wires bought, all using the proprietary cables from the consoles bought 20+ years ago. Then I just have an extension outlet tucked behind the system, the outlet isn't drawing any power unless the receiver is on, and it has switches to turn off power for stuff I don't want on standby. Pretty generic equipment.

What is it with mister people? When you mention real hardware they're always like "okay but you have to buy scart switches and rgb mod your consoles and buy flashcarts and hardmods"... why? You literally don't have to do any of that.

>> No.8239196

>>8239180
>Pretty generic equipment.
Generic equipment that 99% of people don't own and would generally have no reason to own.

>When you mention real hardware they're always like "okay but you have to buy scart switches and rgb mod your consoles and buy flashcarts and hardmods"... why? You literally don't have to do any of that.
Why would you want to play with dogshit RF video sources in 2021? And why would you want to be limited to only the games you can find in bargain bins?

I'd rather fucking die than use composite. It looks like absolute shit.

>> No.8239213

>>8238659
>comically undeveloped
I love threads like these, exemplified by misguided posts like this.

>>8238659
>may as well use real hardware, emulate, and/or make a cheap pc for crt emudriver.
I have a pair of arcade cabs running crt_emudriver, one horizontal one vertical. I don't really want to go to JAMMA because i play a lot more than arcade games on them. I'm not about to give them up, either, i still sink a lot of time into keeping them up to date and tweaking, but playing something like Black Tiger on MiSTer is instantly more responsive, more accurate and with much better video quality. It's not the same as using a nice cab but that's mostly aesthetic TBQH

>> No.8239313

>>8238995
and then you regretted it, nice

>> No.8239324

>>8239313
Regretted dumping my rotting plastic on mugs for top dollar?

>> No.8239356

>>8239324
yep, full of regret
give it a year

>> No.8239379

>>8239196
>Generic equipment that 99% of people don't own and would generally have no reason to own.
A receiver? Anybody with a decent pair of speakers has one, and they're incredibly easy to integrate into a TV set up. But even if you don't have that one, a generic AV switch is super cheap and can be found in any store. By the way, the receiver cost $20 at a yard sale when it was bought originally. They're super common to find sold at insanely marked up prices locally. They're just like CRTs, most old people are getting rid of theirs because they think their retarded Bluetooth speakers are better.

And there's nothing unique about a power switch, get real. Mine cost $7. I got mine at good will and I like it because it has toggles for each individual outlet. Bit fancy but even your ordinary strip or brick will do.

>Why would you want to play with dogshit RF video sources in 2021? And why would you want to be limited to only the games you can find in bargain bins?
All I care about is that the video displays on my TV my dude. And I have all my childhood games.

>I'd rather fucking die than use composite. It looks like absolute shit.
Kill yourself then.

>> No.8239393

>>8239356
It's already been nearly 2, when does the rotting plastic regroot kick in? 2 weeks?

>> No.8239396

>>8239393
ah, that's why you're so angry

>> No.8239407

>>8238067
>>8238123
>i'm bullshitting but going to keep doubeling down by saying twitter. i really am that much of a stupid child.

>> No.8239414

>>8239213
Anon, there’s literally no cores worth getting excited about. Until it runs a fifth generation console there’s no point in owning one

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>> No.8239451

So what's the timetable of it being able to run saturn/ps1?

>> No.8239458

>>8239451
there is none, at least not for running like other cores

>> No.8239479

I bought the Retrotink 2x pro a couple days ago. I intend to use it mostly for ps2 games but I also will play some snes games. Am I retarded for getting this version and not the multimedia one? I only saw the multimedia one until after I ordered.

>> No.8239482

>>8238641
>don't feel the need to waste money on a gimmick when you can get literally the same results out of a $20 wii
lol @ you for being retarded and wasting money

>> No.8239589

>>8239451
PS1 is in game and look really solid, the progress has been ridiculous. Unfortunate thing is it may require a second ram stick to run

>> No.8239608

>>8239414
News to me that i don't like CPS games, GnG, Black Tiger, Double Dragon, PCE, Megadrive or NES.

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8239891

ive got a mister fpga and i just bought more memory when ps1 comes out just in case cause $50 is not much when you are not south american. lol. the fpga hatred is hilarious, even when its a better option, how much better can be debated but it is better, as far as the systems it mimics.

>> No.8239925

>>8237762

All this can be remedied though, I don't get what the big deal is. Those who own a mister probably dont care about spending or blowing their money on.

>> No.8240217

>>8239891
cool, you wasted your covid relief trumpbux on a mister, good job bro you're rich

>> No.8240240

The mistercopers get more and more pathetic with every thread.

>> No.8240493

>>8239379
>Anybody with a decent pair of speakers has one,
Most people don't have retarded audiophiles for parents, buddy. Most families maybe had a cheap hi-fi in the 80/90s which they've since thrown out because it was taking up too much space.
>They're super common to find sold at insanely marked up prices locally
So you even admit that your dad just got lucky and usually this piece of crap that can only do composite anyway usually runs a few hundred bucks.
>And there's nothing unique about a power switch, get real. Mine cost $7.
Yeah, anyone can get a power strip with switches on it. It's a lot more difficult to buy 5 of them and daisy chain them together so you can run all your consoles, and also have all those switches not hidden at the back where all the wires go.
>And I have all my childhood games.
So? What, you're just going to keep playing the games you played when you were 12? Or are you going to wait for "deals" so you can play Megaman 5 or something because you never had it as a kid?

If you buy a dozen games, or one or two "rare" titles, that's the price of a flashcart. And the price of a flashcart is about the same as the price of a MiSTer. But I guess you were just one of the cool kids who got every console and thousands of games, you're right, there's not much point in a MiSTer if you already own everything.

>>8239589
Audio timing is the real killer, getting visual output certainly isn't trivial, but it remains to be seen if the audio can be done on a single SDRAM given its latency. There's a decent amount of overhead left for most situations, but edge cases might fuck it all up.

>> No.8240579

>>8240493
You've conveniently left out that I gave alternatives if you don't have a receiver. An AV switch is $10, you can get it at Walmart, no excuses.

>It's a lot more difficult to buy 5 of them and daisy chain them together so you can run all your consoles, and also have all those switches not hidden at the back where all the wires go.
There's six outlets and I use five of them. I don't know why you think I need 30 outlets.

>What, you're just going to keep playing the games you played when you were 12?
No, if I want to emulate a game I use my wii. If I own the game, I just play that game.

>there's not much point in a MiSTer if you already own everything.
True. But I'm not saying go out and get everything. Just laughing at the idea that you have to "system swap" if you own more than one console. The 6 power brick thing was especially funny

>> No.8240601

>>8240579
>There's six outlets and I use five of them. I don't know why you think I need 30 outlets.
Well, let's see. My basic setup right now has a dozen systems in it.

Sure, I can reuse the power cable for some of them, like the PS1, Saturn, PS2 and Dreamcast, but if you want something you don't have to constantly unplug, that's 4 outlets off the bat. Back when I had my Mega Drive plugged in I used the cable for my SuFami too, but that's different based on region. So let's go with another 2 plugs. NES needs one, PC Engine needs one, N64, Wii, if you like Sega CD or 32X that's another plug or two, and oh look, we're already up to a dozen power cables. And we haven't even plugged in any gimmicky systems, or any old computers.

>if I want to emulate a game I use my wii.
But the Wii can't even cover half these systems. Don't get me wrong, I used a Wii this way for a while, I just got sick of the Classic controller and the slow menuing, plus all the frame skipping. It's a good entry level option for playing games on a CRT.

>Just laughing at the idea that you have to "system swap" if you own more than one console.
I mean, you do if you want sensible video output. Well, unless you want to pay absurd money to save spending a few seconds just switching a cable when you're switching between later systems.

>> No.8240789

if you are waiting on fpga specifically for ps1 and would spend that money on a mister, just get an xstation ODE mod and csynce rgb sart cable already, job done, you don't have to worry about fpga core compatibility or any of that nonsense.

>> No.8240907

>>8240789
I'm waiting for either a chink XStation clone for 30 bucks, or a decent MiSTer PS1 core(with multi-disc loading).

Can't really be bothered spending 100 bucks on something that might well go unused in a year or two.

>> No.8240965

>>8240789
>mister
I really hope we don't end up needing an extra ram stick for PS1/Saturn as people are speculating, but even then it's incredible value for money- worst part (on top of the extra $100 in parts and needing a new case) would be having the take the Analogue I/O board off to swap it for a Digital one, and that give me an excuse to finally use the copper heatsink I bought for it ages ago before the tightness of the GPIO connector scared me off from installing it (same reason I never got the passive cooling metal case).

>> No.8241024

>>8238674
>muh zapper
Did you really buy a $500 emulation machine to play shitty gun games?

>> No.8241036

>>8239451
Mister will never run Saturn.
PS1 maybe in 2024 but you have to buy a bunch of new extra hardware.

>> No.8241047

>>8239891
Truly the box mod vape of retro games

>> No.8241057

>>8241036
Saturn- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWU0bri9CW4&t=1s

PS1- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnDKlNC_cMk

>> No.8241112

I've found this incredible plug and play solution for playing PS1 games. I picked up this thing called a "Sony PlayStation". It's compatible with the entire library, even the original media!

>> No.8241151

>>8241024
Yes. And it was like 250 bucks.

>> No.8241203

>>8240217

Its good to have a job I guess.

>> No.8241221

I love to watch the haters seethe because the hate is REAL and its coming from all angles. I don't think I've ever seen something of this magnitude on /vr/. On one hand you have hate coming from those who obviously cant afford it, then you have the collectors who are mad that their original hardware and media isn't really needed to experience the real thing. It REALLY must suck being south american. Imagine being considered "rich" for spending half of your weekly paycheck on something you want to buy, if it were a PS5 or XBOX or any other fucking gimmick it would be okay, but since its Mister, we are apparently "rich" now.

>> No.8241228

>>8241221
I just don't see the point in owning one (I already have a PC, smartphone and multiple consoles) and it's funny to see people like yourself take personal offense to criticisms being levied against one of their favorite adult toys

>> No.8241253

>>8241228
>criticisms

So far I've seen very little real criticism for the Mister, its the usual "hurr its for richie rich people durrrrp"

Its comments from faggots such as yourself who don't even own the fucking thing, so why are you even here? Go be South American somewhere else mierda.

>> No.8241256

>>8241253
To get replies from retards like yourself, like I just said

>> No.8241261

>>8241256

>Infinite times infinite

you're such a loser. now keep replying to my posts while you tell us how you dont want a mister while still being here cause its obviously bothering you.

>> No.8241264

>>8237762

I'm just asking but can't you just use a hdmi to rgb converter or am I missing something?

>> No.8241271

>>8241261
Sure thing, bud. How much did you pay for your MiSTer and what are your favorite things to play on it?

>> No.8241297

>>8241271

Not him but the total cost for mine has to be well over $500 by now. Most people who quote the cost of a Mister are not revealing shipping and taxes. It's a lot more than just $300-$350.

DE-10 NANO is $217 with tax and shipping from Terasic.
Memory is a minimum of $45 and up. I paid $60 with shipping, taxes. I wanted a black PCB and something that was tested so I paid a little more. But on average its $55
The case is another $40 or more for a good one. I paid $49 ish, but then there is the io board, the hub board, the controllers, the adapters, by the it's done you'd have paid at least $450 or more because you are going to want it.

Using the DE-10 alone with no upgrades is a waste of its potential. Games that I'm playing right now are Night trap for the SEGA CD and Splatterhouse for the turbografx-16. I love the Mister largely because of FMV games, its like a drug for me, a shot of nostalgia.

>> No.8241305

>>8241264
yes you can
https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki/Direct-Video
If the PS1 core needs a second memory expansion this is how you will have to connect it to a CRT

>> No.8241308

>>8241297
I paid £300 here in the UK for everything, shipping included, half of that was for the DE10.

>> No.8241313

>>8241297
Glad you're having fun with it. I totally get the appeal of hardware emulation but it really just doesn't seem worth the money to me because like I said, I already own most of the consoles and games I would care to play and my PC can competently emulate the rest. I get the impression that in a generation or two from now I would find the latest MiSTer much more appealing. I'm also not South American for the record

>> No.8241880

>>8241253
>you have to buy something you know you have no use for to comment on it

>> No.8242149

>>8238083
Source?

>> No.8242156

>>8238525
Source?

>> No.8242325

>>8241880
Right? Spoken like someone who totally doesn't regret spending anywhere from $200 to $400 on an entirely redundant emulation box

>> No.8242496

>>8241880
>convinced well-reviewed restaurant is an in-job/scam and refuses to patronise it
>comments on quality of food anyway
Same logic, really. The MiSTer isn't everything. If you want something that is, use your PC. If you want a niche product that does what it does better than anything else out there, spend the money on a MiSTer. No one who already owns one cares whether you do or you don't.

>> No.8242567

>>8239097
>spotted the seething cuck who can't afford a MiSTer

https://twitter.com/RallyFlowBro/status/1447900496329646086

>> No.8243420

>>8242496
Not the anon you're coping to but your attempted analogy is full of fail. It's basically like saying he has no idea what will happen if he sticks his dick in a blender, even thought the blender has a warning saying "do not stick your dick in this blender" and it's perfectly obvious what will happen if he sticks his dick in the blender. And it's very telling that you need to resort to that level of cope.

>> No.8243756

>>8243420
I'm sorry, i was barely listening to you over the sound of the perfectly-synced audio from my MiSTer. Can you menstruate again? I promise to pay more attention this time.

>> No.8244025

>>8243756
the fact that mistershills think this is a rare or noteworthy accomplishment goes to show how far up their own asses they are

>> No.8244216

>>8244025
>delicious pure copium

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>>8243756

>> No.8244506

>>8241253
>So far I've seen very little real criticism for the Mister
Playstation 1

>> No.8244941

Cope and sneed

It's crazy how many poorfags are up in arms over this thing. Mind your own retarded business if you don't like it.

>> No.8244961

>>8244941
I won't, if only to continue to get a rise out of devoted consumers such as yourself

>> No.8244976

>>8239443
Damdai (Super Turbo guy) also said the thing was accurate and playable in competitive settings.

>> No.8245301

I'm considering a 4:3 pc monitor, not the pc CRT monitor ( almost impossible to find today anyway ) but the LCD one, I'm talking of monitors we got from 2000 to 2010.

Using vga or dvi port, anybody playing on those monitors ?
Does it work well with MISTer ? Some people recommend Dell 2007FPb which can still be found at a good price in good state today.


Yeah I know "just use a CRT", but I don't want a tank on my desk and considering how old they are getting and most of them need repair I want to avoid bad surprises.

>> No.8245351

>>8245301
If you want a 4:3 lcd you might want to look into this project that reproposes ipad screens. They have really low lag and a higher res than most LCDs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1e-1JzhOrU

>> No.8245368

>>8245351
Don't bother with this, you can find the same screens on Aliexpress already with a HDMI driver attached in a metal case for like 60 bucks.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005001689746001.html

At least that'd give you a decent PPI for filters, although personally I'm uninterested, small screens don't do it for me and I own CRTs, which are far nicer.

>>8245301
Buying an old crappy LCD is one of the dumbest things you could do. Just don't, man.

>> No.8245375

>>8245368
Thanks for that link I didn't know you could get them preassembled in a metal case like that.
It looks so much better than the 3d printed shit.

>> No.8245461

>>8245351
>>8245368

Yeah I've already seen the solution with the ipad 3 screen, it looks really nice, but the screen is a bit too small, I like the idea of making something like a Pi cabinet with those though.

I know that those 4:3 or 5:4 LCD didn't age well,
their contrast and luminosity are really lacking.
But among them, let's say the one considered high end back in the day are still decent and give good results

I was able to find only this video about somebody using one of those with MISTer, he is using a dell ultrasharp and it doesn't look bad
https://youtu.be/Ra0w8dY734U

If I was able to find it at 3 bucks like him I would have already bought one to be honest.

>> No.8245480

>>8245461
I just don't know why you wouldn't just connect it to any old LCD you have lying around. Do black bars bother you that much?

>> No.8245592

>>8245480
Currently I'm using my Dell IPS monitor, 25 inch, 1440p, by setting output to 1920x1440 on MISTer, I'm playing with perfect pixel 6x scale.
The picture is really crisp and colors are lovely on this IPS screen and since it's a small monitor with a high res, I have a high PPI.

But yeah black bars on every side... I got eventually used to them, but sometimes I still wish I was playing on a full square monitor for better immersion. And since it's IPS, and there is the throwback of IPS glow, it's more noticeable with black bars.
If only 4:3 monitor with current norm existed... maybe Oled is the real solution, since the black bars will literally dissapear in a dark room.

>> No.8246118

>>8244941
>can't. stop. coping