Is this thing just a meme??

[Anonymous No.8237361]

So I honestly almost pulled the trigger on this for my crt setup before coming here and seeing all the shit talk over this, is it really that bad? What's a better crt setup?

[Anonymous No.8237383]

>>8237361
I mean you could spend like $15 on a thrift store or garage sale Wii and get an experience that isn't that far removed from this thing. This thing is a meme but not because it's a shit product. It's just a product for turbo autists.

[Anonymous No.8237393]

>>8237383
Won't the wii have lag though because of the wireless dildo wand it uses? I looked into that and couldn't really tell if it was going to be worth it.

[Anonymous No.8237405]

>>8237393
If you're using it on a CRT you're going to experience more lag from the emulators themselves than you are the wireless dildos. You also have the option of using wired Gamecube pads which eliminate that kind of worry. Using the 240p test suite I can reliably get perfect scores in the manual lag test, but that's not the most reliable metric, obviously. Honestly you're very likely to experience a couple of frames of lag at worst.

[Anonymous No.8237406]

>>8237393
gamecube controller

[Anonymous No.8237427]

>>8237406
But you wouldn't want to play on GameCube controller's dpad. You would need an adapter to connect Wii Classic controller to GameCube controller port.

[Anonymous No.8237428]

>>8237427
I've always been interested in these just for the sake of saving batteries

[Anonymous No.8237438]

>>8237405
Does wii have retroarch for runahead latency reduction? My other thought was to go for a raspberry pi 3b+ for the composite out and retroarch

[Anonymous No.8237442]

>>8237393
I use the dildo connected to a classic controller and there's no lag I can see or feel. I haven't exhaustively tried every game or system, but the NES, SNES, Genesis, 32x, PCE, and some MAME games felt responsive and I couldn't really feel any lag from it
inb4 some autist starts REEEEEing about their magic brain being able to see 1ms of lag

[Anonymous No.8237451]

>>8237438
It has RetroArch but it would certainly not be powerful enough to use runahead on most cores.

[Anonymous No.8237452]

>>8237438
it has retroarch but I don't know about runahead, I doubt its CPU is good enough to keep up with more than like a frame of runahead anyway, if it can even do that. I've always used the standalone emulators and they work fine.

[Anonymous No.8237493]

>>8237361
Pics of this CRT setup you totally have

[Anonymous No.8237678]

>>8237361
Ignore the poorfags and get one, I doubt you'll regret it

[Anonymous No.8238762]

Unless you have original peripherals you want to use or really need accuracy (e.g. shmup player), it's a meme.

[Anonymous No.8239368]

>>8237678
>poorfags
>regret
is this just one person saying poorfag over and over for a cheap product?

[Anonymous No.8239423]

>>8237361
A wii is $50 box on eBay and looks great on a crt. Plus it can run sixth generation games (GameCube) which the mister never will sooo

[Anonymous No.8239465]

As someone who’s used all manner of emulation, be it PC, Wii, RasPi etc, using the Mister on a CRT is by far the best retro emulation experience I’ve had. Sorry but there’s a reason everyone barring the cynical poorfag thirdworlders on /vr/ are enthusing about the thing.

[Anonymous No.8240563]

>>8239465
>as someone who's used the cheapest favela tier emulation...

[Anonymous No.8240649]

>>8237361
>What's a better crt setup?
There aren't any.

I wouldn't recommend a MiSTer to anyone using an LCD, Retroarch with Runahead offers functionally equivalent quality and it has nice CRT shaders, but for CRT use it's about as good as you can get and it's not very expensive if you aren't retarded and buying some pajeet's ALREADY SET UP PERFECT 400+ GAMES garbage for hundreds of bucks more than it'd cost to just push a few pieces together yourself.

I suppose you could make an argument for a Pi 4 setup with runahead, but there's a lot more hassle involved with one of those, and you can't play light gun games.

[Anonymous No.8240916]

>>8237361
Halfassed product for people who feels elite by wasting 400$ on it. Don't try to ask for a proprer UI or any feature, the community will tell you this isn't for you. Pretty toxic. They also claim it is completely open source when in factt it isn't. There are much better products out there that are properly polished.

[Anonymous No.8240920]

>>8240916
It's true, I only bought mine to flex on poorfags. I don't even play video games lmao. Might scalp it when everyone FOMOs in on the PS1 core.

[Anonymous No.8240921]

>>8240916
>Don't try to ask for a proprer UI or any feature, the community will tell you this isn't for you.
Aww, did the little baby have his feelings hurt because nobody wanted to implement fucking box covers or something else fucking stupid on a device intended for low resolution displays?

Enjoy spending 200 bucks on the latest Analogue device that can run the equivalent of one whole core in a crappy plastic clone shell!

[Anonymous No.8240930]

>>8240916
>They also claim it is completely open source when in factt it isn't.
Huh?

[Anonymous No.8240939]

>>8240930
You have to be in the MiSTer gang inner circle to make a core and post it on Github apparently. They come to your house and rape you with N64 control pads if dare post code on the internet without a license.

[Anonymous No.8240956]

>>8240920
congrats, you can afford something which is cheaper than a current gen console

[Anonymous No.8240969]

>>8240956
Yeah but you wouldn't think so the way retards in these threads seethe about its price.

[Anonymous No.8240970]

>>8240969
the price is a joke because of how little it offers for the price

[Anonymous No.8240973]

Okay so what's the cheapest way to get into it for say SNES NES Genesis and TG16?

[Anonymous No.8240990]

>>8240920
You do well ;)

>>8240921
I'm in fact enjoying it. I prefer it to having a naked board in my table like if I was some diogenes. At least Analogue can afford to make a proper product with a proper shell and a proper UI. Whos the poorfag now?

[Anonymous No.8240991]

>>8240563
Yeah, like PC, Wii, etc.

[Anonymous No.8240992]

>>8240990
>a proper product
Yeah, like the Super NT that requires you to spend another 200 bucks on a flashcart just to run expansion chip games. Very high quality stuff.

[Anonymous No.8240997]

>>8240973
All you'd technically need for that is the DE10 Nano unit itself (now about $170), a 32MB SDRAM board ($30), a micro SD for the operating system with all the games you want, and probably some kind of powered USB hub for convenience (as you'll need to connect either a cheap Bluetooth adapter for wireless controllers, or have more USB ports for wired controllers; there's a daughter board made for the MiSTer which uses a little jumper and works very well).
If you wanna go a little further I'd suggest upgrading to a 128MB RAM board for access to more consoles, and maybe buying an Analogue or Digital I/O daughter board plus SNAC adapter so you can use original controllers with those particular console cores. Plus a case I guess.

[Anonymous No.8241000]

>>8240939
It's true. They pants you and check for the telltale signs of plastic trident sodomy on an annual basis to renew your membership too

[Anonymous No.8241009]

>>8237361
Depends on your setup. If you have a good high refresh/VRR monitor and a decent CPU they seem redundant and inferior. One paired with a CRT seems kinda neat, ngl, but I got a crtemudriver setup and that doesn't require reflashing per system.

[Anonymous No.8241013]

>>8241009
>but I got a crtemudriver setup and that doesn't require reflashing per system.
Wait, mister needs to be flashed each time you want to play a different system?

Is it inconvenient?

[Anonymous No.8241014]

>>8240649
Crtemudriver + transcoder + shitty old $50 PC + AMD card/integrated AMD is cheaper and more effective at this point.

[Anonymous No.8241018]

>>8241014
What sort of transcoder would be good for this?

[Anonymous No.8241032]

>>8241018
Question: do you like fiddling with computers at all? I suppose fresh installing Win7 on some old shitbox and following a page of instructions to install a weird driver and using Retroarch + MAME aren't too out there for you? If that doesn't sound like something you'd want to do, probably ought to get the Mister, though I hear it takes a little patience too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174151197806?hash=item288c38646e:g:9J8AAOSwkCddJDbW

I paired this with an old HP workstation with an AMD APU, works up to 5th gen but falters a bit on Saturn.

[Anonymous No.8241048]

>>8241018
You could also go ghetto and use this or any of its clones on any analog VGA PC: https://www.ebay.com/itm/312808138260?epid=1307523078&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item48d4d16614:g:EUQAAOSwrVRdqMgF&amdata=enc%3AAQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%252B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSB0Xm7k0guzAysaIMfJcbBEnHOiJ558WYaXwc%252Fb1%252BzQnp3c0EPbhieVaa6CaY23sziDmhXNHXYiXNMGNHIsUQmDw%252BQY86W63cjNMQQfDtmWGsWflqykL2qPKSUaJ6JvpngTRmjTLoXDuU0QgYwJBRg36vcHwE%252FpDT4zBw0nkigzz74CkRH7V1vt8l%252F3QX3ac816FEhXUhdDeq8Se6Uv8rOsGOCs0M8sreCZpfcp%252B9XG6TfdGg9qRj5DScj0jI0od42U4qNMURqzoggB83dgZoiVqPfZcQdmrCh8hfYEAZTyTXOMn0fF1mX2IRXFOhtKFQ705qO5YUxFlxOvGZM2NVtEfDxjpgsWCcP0spYj2MzrD2YeRR1V6dMXGw%252FWX2e2n786rq7z7Z6oa%252FnWBnFiLarM4qPd1OClwECaj1rV5HCIL3o5UxwNWtj%252F5JeHMzXHcehZPvFg5TB3z%252Bjthz5mriGSItq4Q8ATkBVnzI0xSfW5q3eVUhC7Zk%252FvE6QSlUPu8owgHLi3EIpbjl0VBx9ft2gjtAkDynjP%252F2MPmS8vPR2ad9lCaVzolQO0MdaFOs7bcIteP5OD5QagwJGnIX7GVTUK%252BsuUNzZiqxmpQpXI%252FWRJCGdUxLsu%252BN7l8l404MPaJ3upDaqRIINtjwAF%252FoJaLWbJ%252BqYXNv5Tyx8NMQm1cCfcNgtB3XJ%252FbdYV2G6VmOloy1m9PsY4f3PdFTsk%252FffFxtCiirG6bpkeSXao1r6nzXHzUm9nsgKC2wZD19bg3pvM%252Fivk4baUOjB%252FqcxaiZGYf8J%252BeviRIjcot91D%252F8N7%252FdCTucIN3ZA%252B0bdNz3wHHckQQI%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524

Not the prettiest and far from component/emudriver, but it works and with shockingly little lag.

[Anonymous No.8241049]

>>8241018
>>8241032
You could also go ghetto and use this or any clone of it:

https://www.amazon.com/Composite-Converter-Transfer-Projector-Computer/dp/B081SBNJ58/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=vga+composite&qid=1634393849&sr=8-3

Works with shockingly little lag, but it's not as pretty as component + emudriver.

[Anonymous No.8241081]

>>8241013
Yes, you also need to regrease and rotate your gates.

[Anonymous No.8241084]

>>8241000
I wouldn't even mind if they used old broken pads, but they soil new ones and just milk their patreon paypigs for the expense.

[Anonymous No.8241106]

>>8241013
I was mistaken. I had that impression before. Looks like it downloads all cores and they can be jumped between seamlessly from a menu. Sowwy.

[Anonymous No.8241170]

>>8241032
>though I hear it takes a little patience too.
Setting up a MiSTer takes all of about 2 minutes. The documentation can be a bit obtuse, but the menus make sense and everything "just werks".

I've struggled with front ends and shit trying to set up a 480p PC setup before for light gun stuff, it's a monumental fucking hassle. And then you've got to find space for an old shitty ITX case.

[Anonymous No.8241192]

>>8237393
No. You won't feel any lag. All inputs will appear spontaneous, on every emulator. Anybody telling you otherwise has a mister to sell. Please don't fall for jewish tricks OP

[Anonymous No.8241386]

>>8237393
i play nes, snes, genesis, turbogrfx and neo geo from a wii hooked up to a crt and it works fine for me. your milage may vary depending on how sensitive you are to it.
that said the Mister is a nice device if you're into that sort of thing and the cost isn't prohibitive to you. it's a very small minority of turboautists that hate the Mister and want you to know about it

[Anonymous No.8242305]

>>8241032
>I hear it takes a little patience too.
If you add the update_all script, it's basically a one-and-done setup.
I installed Retroarch and was kinda overwhelmed at all the shaders and emulation options. There were menus within menus and I barely understood what any of it did, and testing the settings out would be time consuming. Meanwhile I assembled my MiSTer (it's like putting together a PC, except there was only ~4 pieces and it's very very obvious where they go together) and after connecting it to my CRT over VGA I was good to go with basically a perfect experience: because the FPGA cores are made to work exactly like a real Gameboy or Megadrive or whatever, and consoles back in the day were mostly that level of "plug-and-play" simplicity.

If you want to just play a game (with an asymptotic level of verisimilitude to the original experience) and not learn a new language to effectively fiddle around in settings menus for hours, yeah I highly recommend the MiSTer.

[Anonymous No.8242381]

Somebody fuck me in the ass!

[Anonymous No.8242387]

>>8242381
No, bitch. Fuck you, but metaphorically

[Anonymous No.8242603]

https://twitter.com/MiSTerFPGABot/status/1449432323884298244

You love to see it

[Anonymous No.8243457]

>>8242603
I don't understand, does this thing not support those platforms yet?

[Anonymous No.8243536]

>>8237361
I don't even get what these things are? Do I have to configure a bunch of bullshit files like retro arch? Or is it plug and play

[Anonymous No.8243557]

>>8242603
all those gif replies are cringe
I hate normalfag social media
>LE OFFICE MAN CLAPPING!!!

[Anonymous No.8243565]

>>8243557
>normalfag social media
Every social media network is for normalfags

[Anonymous No.8243590]

>>8243565
including 4channel

[Anonymous No.8243601]

>>8243536
There's like one config file that takes about 5 minutes to read through and set based on what kind of screen you're using. The actual menus are all extremely simple and sensibly laid out, and every controller I've tried could be configured in 2 seconds, and they were almost all correct on first connection.

The one thing I wish it had is some minor picture adjustment, though. Most consoles aren't 60hz, they're 59.78, or 60.02. These very small differences lead to the image being shifted a few pixels sideways. This is a problem on actual consoles, if you set up your screen so SNES is perfectly centered, Mega Drive will be slightly cut off on the right side.

Most of the arcade cores support adjustment, probably because they're often even weirder framerates and you can lose a solid inch of the image.

[Anonymous No.8244395]

>>8243536

I've setup many things, an old SGI o2 computer, Raspberry pi setup, Nvidia jetson nano setup, and this was by far the easiest to install. The install portion of it takes literally 20 seconds or less. Once installed and you got wireless setup and smb + ftp enabled, its literally drag and drop.

>>8240916
That's what makes the mister so much better, fuck box arts lol. you are gonna be playing the game for fuck sakes anyways. it also speeds things up, i wanna jump from nes to turbografx 16 in an instant. the most i have installed is update_all and mister wallpapers which shuffles a list of wallpapers already downloaded everytime i soft reboot. shit is tight.

not gonna lie, im far from a "retro gamer", im not like people here who spend hours and hours a day playing retro games, but it does make doing all that so much simpler. its already a fucking hassle to play these old games, why not play on a mister which gets you from point a to b effortlessly instead of exiting, loading, i can be playing anything and can instantly jump around to anything, which is really cool.

to me its all about the sound though. this is something people dont realize how much better of an experience you get. the sound ive been hearing in the past has been a lie.

[Anonymous No.8244419]

>>8243457

you can download the beta version of the core and run a demo or two or maybe 1 game but "officially", not yet. Seems like for the PS1 core you might need extra memory, hopefully not 128MB version since that would be another $50, which means you cant use the analog io board and instead have to use the digital version, which also means you have to buy the digital io board, which also means if you really want rgb you have to get an adapter. Peanuts for most Mister users though cause they're all kind of "all in" at this point, but yeah these cores are yet to come out. Saturn would be awesome but a PS1 core, there's so many good games for it, fuck... Anyone remember clock tower?

Still, like I said I wish I was more of a "retro gamer", im playing purely for the nostalgia. I really dont have anything to compare it with other than the original and yea I do get that feeling, maybe its biased or anecdotal, but i did get a massive wave of nostalgia playing sewer shark, phantasmagoria, 7th guest and night trap, wow just wow.

[Anonymous No.8244450]

>>8239423

>caring about the worst performing console of its generation

[Anonymous No.8244456]

>>8244419
Why are people describing this thing as the ultimate form of emulation if it can't even handle something basic like playstation yet?

[Anonymous No.8244474]

>>8244456

Because its niche as fuck. It's a new thing and not many people know about it, it took that metal jesus fag guy on youtube to finally post a video after how long... surprised LGR has not made a video. It's literally the ultimate machine to mimic old hardware in my opinion, these youtube celebrities who's whole shtick is "retro stuff" and they just barely found out or felt the need to post a video. Playstation will happen.

[Anonymous No.8244482]

>>8244456

To answer your question, this shit apparently takes time to reverse engineer. There are only a handful of people probably actually working to make these cores. It's just getting started.

[Anonymous No.8244486]

>>8244482
Will it be able to handle other problematic machines like the N64, PS2 or DC?

[Anonymous No.8244495]

>>8244486

I would not know but if I were to guess, PS2 no, DC, maybe? Probably not, N64, I hear people say its not possible, but who knows, maybe there will be an upgrade board that gives it a little bit of more power, another technique ive heard was to reroute some of the stuff using the cpu and offloading its resources somewhere else. I think it'll happen, and then that's when it will be complete. I don't care much for 6th gen and after, anything after 5th is a bonus. It needs N64 to make it whole.

[Anonymous No.8244498]

>>8244486
No. PS1 & Saturn are already running, the rest need FPGA's with more horsepower.

[Anonymous No.8244503]

>>8244498
At least we have Saturn I guess.

[Anonymous No.8244512]

>>8244456
>Why are people describing this thing as the ultimate form of emulation if it can't even handle something basic like playstation yet?
A proper FPGA implementation is essentially 1:1 with original hardware barring things you don't actually want like audio and visual noise caused by poor circuit design.

>>8244486
FPGAs can handle anything digital, assuming the FPGA in question has enough logic gates. MiSTer is based around the DE-10 boards, with 110k logic gates, which is probably enough to do PS1 and Saturn. but probably not anything more complex. You'll need a beefier FPGA for anything bigger, and those are likely years away and will be a lot more expensive.

[Anonymous No.8244541]

>>8244456
>if it can't even handle something basic like playstation yet?
working on fpga shit isn't free. it's not a ton of money for a board but poorfags can't work on it and contribute.

[Anonymous No.8244843]

>>8244512
PS1 uses around 50k, Saturn maybe double. This basically correlates with the number of chips the system has.

[Anonymous No.8246131]

>>8244482
>this shit apparently takes time to reverse engineer
Are you implying that emulation isn't perfect?

>>8244512
>proper FPGA implementation
>perfect circle
>quality post

[Anonymous No.8246538]

It is a meme, i don't get why anti emulation boomers think that the emulation on this thing is more authentic than any other software emulation solutions. The only advantage that i see at this point is that it is easier to set up using a analog display compared to PC with a transcoder and groovymame.

[Anonymous No.8246549]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzbuHErNQGs

[Anonymous No.8246559]

>>8246538
also less audio delay

[Anonymous No.8248176]

>>8244474
Metal Jizzcock’s vid was so poorly researched, the guy is a fucking moron when it comes to tech.

[Anonymous No.8248185]

>>8242603
As a proud owner of the device, MISTer's Twitter presence is cringe.

[Anonymous No.8248483]

>>8246549
Sergey (MiSTer lead dev) absolutely hates this guy.

[Anonymous No.8248703]

>>8248483
I assume that by Sergey you mean the dude currently doing the Saturn core?

Not sure why everyone thinks he’s the MiSTer main guy. That would actually be Alexey Melnikov.

[Anonymous No.8248779]

>>8248703
People often conflate Sorgelig and srg320 into a single person because the former is commonly referred shortly as Sorg.

[Anonymous No.8248910]

“You can expect to see pretty much every single third-party FPGA core out there on Pocket. For the non-dev end user, it is as simple as dropping an FPGA core onto Pocket and it will be served by our Library and Database offering an unparalleled experience.”

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/22728859/analogue-pocket-save-states-playlists-library-fpga

Big words from Analogue’s Christopher Taber but I think he’s talking shite as usual.

[Anonymous No.8249147]

>>8237361
I bought all the real systems I was interested in, plus flashcarts/pi1541/sdMaxx for less than a shitster. World's Longest Yard Sale is the place to be for /vr loots.

[Anonymous No.8249151]

>>8246538
>i don't get why anti emulation boomers think that the emulation on this thing is more authentic than any other software emulation solutions
because it technically is, just not in any real perceivable way. It's genuinely made for autistic people.

[Anonymous No.8249152]

>>8249147
oh and $40 for saturn phantom modchip, $40 for yellowed Jap Saturn. PS1 was $15 complete with ASCII arcade stick at the flea market, $8 modchip and done.

[Anonymous No.8249162]

>>8249147
I consider myself lucky I found shit cheap like you to be honest though
I found a lot of jap consoles here in Australia for under 50 bucks and the rest I had modded my old consoles
But I don’t think it’s particularly cheap getting all the flash carts and ODE’s

[Anonymous No.8249197]

>>8246549
Am I the only one that isn't that hiped about that thing?
They kinda make a lot of compromises like shitty cooling and the need for that extra RAM module, so it can fit the case.
I don't even want to mention the shitty solution for the dual RAM setup.

[Anonymous No.8250993]

>>8249147
>I bought all the real systems I was interested in, plus flashcarts/pi1541/sdMaxx for less than a shitster. World's Longest Yard Sale is the place to be for /vr loots.
You absolutely didn't, flashcart costs alone very quickly outstrip the MiSTer even if you managed to get all your systems for 5 bucks off grandma at the flea market 20 years ago.

>>8249197
Nobody gives a shit about it, it's just another way for lazy retards with no actual skills to make money off open-source projects by sending off some data to some Chinese company for manufacturing and then marking everything up 2-5x.

[Anonymous No.8251000]

>>8249197
the case looks so shitty
I don't have a mister but the main draw to me is how cool it looks in a case like OP
no clue why you'd take a beautiful box and turn it into mass produced chinese knock off garbage

[Anonymous No.8251049]

>>8237383
>I mean you could spend like $15 on a thrift store or garage sale Wii and get an experience that isn't that far removed from this thing.

How? Seriously tell me. It's an FPGA implementation of the hardware, using wired controllers, vs emulation on an aging console with bluetooth controllers.

[Anonymous No.8251062]

>>8249197
The modules were designed to fit the board. The board was not designed to be a home-game-system for nerds, it was designed to be a dev platform for an FPGA that Intel is pushing after they bought Altera. The hope was to make it cheap enough that EE undergrads would use them in university, and buy into the ecosystem when they got jobs. I dunno if the current production is subsidized, but the initial runs of the board were heavily subsidized by intel, and sold at a loss.

I got one when they were first out and cheap (fuck scalpers), for the arcade platforms they offered & hoped to offer. And for all the folks whining about the RAM expansion needed, there are only two arcade boards I use that need it, and none of the 8 or 16 bit consoles I played with on it so far needed the extra RAM.

[Anonymous No.8251073]

>>8251062
once you start using dram timing and performance accuracy shits itself anyway

[Anonymous No.8251235]

>>8251073
>once you start using dram timing and performance accuracy shits itself anyway
I had no idea. Got a link to any threads on that? I'd be interested in reading.

[Anonymous No.8251257]

>>8251235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMZVp48SMps
probably won't matter unless you're super anal about slowdown though

[Anonymous No.8251258]

>>8237361
>What's a better crt setup?
Filming your screen.

[Anonymous No.8251310]

>>8251049
I'm not gonna tell you shit because you're too autistic to understand it anyway

[Anonymous No.8252906]

>>8248483
>Sergey (MiSTer lead dev) absolutely hates this guy.
Who? RMC Neil or the other dude? why?