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8123245 No.8123245 [Reply] [Original]

I want to play the nes version of FF1 but I don't want to deal with all the bugs it has. what's the recommended hack/patch to use on it?

>> No.8123248
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8123248

>>8123245
You either want to play the nes version or you don't anon

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>>8123248

>> No.8123287

>>8123245

You're ignorant it sounds like? You don't "deal with" the bugs. They're pretty much invisible to people who don't know they're present. I mean fix them if you want, it's fine and all, but it's not important like you seem to think it is. The design of a standard JRPG like this isn't nearly tight enough for subtle mechanical failures to alter it much, unfortunately.

I'd offer you a hack name but I don't know any, sorry. I played the original (and it was fine).

>> No.8123301

>>8123245
Probably the “restored” patch

>> No.8123353

>>8123245
Origins

>> No.8123358
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8123358

What the fuck is this thread?
>duuh,I've played it and it was fine
Half of the features don't fucking work you colossal shit eating useless cunts.
>>8123245
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5597/
If you want almost nothing but bug fixes.
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1631/
If you don't care that much about additional stuff enchantments/shit.
Read README in both cases to see what's added and changed and make up your mind yourself, nobody is going to judge you if you would go for Restored, since clearly faggots here don't care about it in the first place.

>> No.8123469

>>8123245

>>8123301
>>8123358
Restored is the way to go, I say this having played the original and it to completion.

>> No.8123475

>>8123469
The enhacements don't interfere with the original intentions, they just improve things. Read the changes for yourself. They don't alter the world map, dungeon designs, add enemies or change bosses or anything like that. There's an optional patch to double the HP of all bosses which I recommend.

>> No.8123498

>>8123245
Skip the NES version and play the PS1 version instead.

>> No.8123582

I really hope no one in this thread considers the lack of auto-targeting a "bug"

>> No.8123882
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8123882

>>8123498
>implying he should play soulless remakes instead of originals

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>>8123882
PS1 version has plenty of soul while (mostly) retaining the difficulty of the original game, with bugfixes included so your spells actually work

it's the GBA version and recent "remaster" which took out the soul

>> No.8123948

>>8123882
But OP clearly doesn't want to play the original, since he is a gigantic quivering pussy who need "fixes" to old games.

>> No.8123973

>>8123948
You retards will cry about 2 pixels missing from Garland's left testicle making up shit about "developers intentions", but the fact that Intellect just don't affect magic - oh no, that's fine, working as intended.
>luv me magic swords not being different from regular ones, simple as
Neck yourself.

>> No.8125073

>>8123882
Fuck off with your retarded soul/soulless memeshit. Everyone with at least half a brain is sick of it. gb2/v/.

>> No.8125807

>>8123973
If you want to play a romhack that's fine, but don't lie about wanting to "play the original". There are romhacks that'll probably make the game many time harder.

>> No.8125826

>>8123245
I've played and beat it recently. Bugs do not hinder proper party and tactics schema.

>> No.8126115

Just play the superior gba remake and don't care what the faggots on this board think about it, spell charges are retarded and they should be ashamed of themselves for preferring a more annoying and inefficient way of playing the game

>> No.8126150

>>8125073
Not him and never say the 's' word, but the remakes look like shit for the most part, like actual dogshit, and they change a lot of shit. Contrary to what FF became, the originals are just simple RPG's, you don't need fixes or added shit, just play them as they were the first time, then if you like it play it again later as a different version.

>> No.8126156

>>8126115
The GBA version is a joke. By the end of the game you'll be lvl 70 instead of 35

>> No.8126162

>>8126115
Never have I seen someone be such a tryhard about being a pos casul. It's mind-boggling.

>> No.8126165

>>8126156
So? You also won't waste hours grinding.

>> No.8126607

>>8123245
The bugs are beneficial. You want the Peninsula of Power and guaranteed Escape if the party member two slots down has no status ailments.

>> No.8126732

>>8126156
the game is scaled perfectly fine for level 70 and there's a million super hard end game bosses so you can actually experience difficulty in FF1

>> No.8126747

>no bruh you don't understand the bugs are soulful it's a good thing that you can't use magic weapons or the intellect stat
>It's a good thing to be level 10 and only have 4 spells you can cast before healing at an inn, it's actually so incredibly soulful to run out of spell charges in the middle of a dungeon
>no dumbass the game isn't padded with unnecessary grinding you're not supposed to level up in 10 minutes it's supposed to be 2 hours

>> No.8126763

>>8123245
it doesn't have any bugs. it is just old.

>> No.8126765

>>8126763
Wrong

>> No.8126769

>>8126765
i own and have beaten the original on the nes. please explain oh wise one.

>> No.8126776

>>8126769
Surely you would realize then that there are multiple spells that don't work, there are bugs with how the stats work (int not working at all, and bugged stat growth on level up overall), and weapons that don't actually use their intended effects. I own and have beaten the original on the NES and it was pretty damn annoying looking up the spells and seeing "bugged, doesn't work, avoid" on at least one spell in every single magic shop

>> No.8126780

>>8123248
>i want all magic to be completely worthless
why?

>> No.8126784

>>8126747
So much this

>> No.8126786
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>>8126769
Read the fucking thread. No, actually read the post before you.
Goes to show how you fags play these games and don't think about anything in it.
>oh yeah, well, I did beat the final boss so, uh, surely there are no problems with the game?
>uh, what stats do? bro it's just numbers, who cares
>jobs? it just changes the appearance bro
>some spells not working? man, all I've used was heal and fire bro, just use those
>well yeah, all the magic swords are the same, I've just picked the swords with big numbers who cares
>oh yeah, I didn't think about how fleeing works, whatever man, it's just random anyway
Since you dumbfucks don't care about what features are on and off and how it all work then why do you care if someone is playing with a patch?

>> No.8126790

>>8126776
yeah, when you are seven you just play the game. there was no internet to look up things then. there was no guide except for the booklet, which takes you through the entire first portion of the game, to imply any "bugs".
you have revealed yourself as a zoom zoom. i wouldn't expect you to understand playing a video game without mommy internet to hold your hand and tell you everything is fine.

>> No.8126794

>>8126786
holy cow the implying in this thread is disgusting. you zoom zooms just assume shit right away. I'll have you know my preferred version is the gba. but NO, your autism INSTANTLY kicks in and makes you look even dumber than you already are.
wow, i haven't seen these levels of implying in so long.

>> No.8126798

>>8123248
this

>> No.8126803

>>8123249
No idea what this means, but you're a faggot.
>>8123358
This matters less than

>> No.8126807

>>8126803
>>8123358
Fucked up. This doesn't matter. It's not the original game after you alter 1 bit of the ROM.

>> No.8126812

>>8123894
You don't know what you're talking about. Only 8-bit games have soul.

>> No.8126815

>>8126807
well yeah, it's better

>> No.8126816

>I want to play the NES version
>But I don't want to play it, I want to play it heavily modified
ok

>> No.8126817

>>8126115
>superior
Pixel Remaster is superior to all of them so...

>> No.8126818

>>8126776
>>8126786
also, just to clarify, bad game mechanics is not a "bug". it is just bad design. back in the day, what we called "bugs" referred to actions that would typically freeze the game. music would continue to play till end of loop, things like that. what zoom zooms call bugs is so far apart from my generation it is wild.

>> No.8126840

If you need to "fix" a game like FF1, you may just want to watch a let's play on Youtube.

>> No.8126842

>>8126818
>>8126790
Why are you straight up defending the game having broken mechanics? It's one thing to say you don't care, but no the game shouldn't actually play that way and we have alternatives. And also the bugs aren't minor unnoticeable things, it's kind of major that none of the spells get stronger as you level up, much less that some spells which you may have even bought and wasted a slot on don't work at all.

>>8126794
The conversation you're responding to is about the nes game my man.

>> No.8126849

>>8123894
>it's the GBA version and recent "remaster" which took out the soul
Those are all ports of the Wonderswan version i.e more SOULFUL than the original NES releases.

>> No.8126861

>>8126786
Common sense dictates >>8126807

>> No.8126864

>>8126842
i am all three of those posts. at no point do i defend bad mechanics. you ASSUMED that because you can't read. the ONLY thing is said is that the they are NOT bugs. did the developers get rushed to release? possibly. did they know some stats truly do shit? probably.
the only thing i said os that it is piss old. and once again, gba is my preferred version. the game is old as shit, not buggy. big, Big, BIG fucking difference.
do i make myself clear? fucking zoom zooms.

>> No.8126871

>>8126864
>but they are not bugs
The game literally does not do what it is programmed to do. None of these are design choices. It's not "outdated mechanics", "old game design", they are literally programming errors.

>> No.8126901

>>8126871
alright, lets just change the meaning of words zoom zoom. from now on "go fuck your mother" will mean "have a nice day" and "go fuck your mother" will mean "have a nice day" ok?

so, to you i say, go fuck your mother, have a nice day.

>> No.8126905

>>8126901
Are you really going to tell me a programming error isn't a bug?

>> No.8126907

>>8126871
>The game literally does not do what it is programmed to do.
I think you mean it isn't programmed to do what your faggot ass assumes it should do.

>> No.8126914

>>8126871
It is clearly NOT PROGRAMMED to do whatever it is you're referring to specifically. Choose your words better.

>> No.8126921

>>8126840
or maybe they wanna play a class other than warrior and monk?
literally all other classes in FF are broken at a fundamental level, rendering them completely and totally worthless
theres literally zero reason to have a magic user in your party. just have four attacking characters and buy health items, which means the game boils down to literally just grinding and mashing attack until you win. it eliminates any semblance of strategy the game could possibly have

>> No.8126924

>>8126907
The developers intended the spell damage to increase as the INT stat goes up, just as weapon damage increases as you level up, this doesn't actually happen and that result is not intentional. The spells all have descriptions of what they do in the game and in the manual - the spells not actually doing that isn't intentional. The swords which state in the manual and in the game that they have magic side effects not actually having them isn't intentional. The fact that the nes rom can be fixed so that these do work would suggest they aren't intentional also. Have a nice day.

>> No.8126927

>>8126924
You're a moron. If you do ANYTHING to the game it's not the original. I don't care how you play this game, just don't say you're playing the ORIGINAL NES game if you're playing using an altered ROM.

>> No.8126931

>>8126927
I didn't say anything about a hack other than that the bugs in the original could theoretically be fixed, and that they have been. I am describing the original game as would be experienced on an original console with an original cartridge.

>> No.8126934

>>8126931
If you fix the "bug" it's not the same game. Why is this so hard to understand.

>> No.8126937

>>8123245
I think people's main problem with this game is that it is NOT PROGRAMMED BY A JAP.

>> No.8126939

>>8126914
it most certainly IS programmed in
the underpaid hungover salaryman that typed it in implemented all the mechanics that stats wouldve effected, then completely spaced on actually making it scale with your intelligence
similar issues with about half the spells
the patches were talking about are literally bit level, fixing the code to work as it was clearly intended to else they wouldnt have written all of it

>but y didnt they fix it?
do you know why its "final" fantasy?
they were all losing their jobs imminently. they slapped together whatever DQ clone they could muster, for as long as funds held out, then shipped it
if you think there was any playtesting outside of the most superficial, youre dreaming. approximately half of the things they coded into the game literally dont work at all

>> No.8126940

>>8126934
What are you even talking about? I'm not talking about the hack except saying that it exists. I own the original cartridge and that's how I play it. I'm simply trying to get you to acknowledge that the game is bugged but you refuse.

>> No.8126967

>>8126939
>whatever DQ clone
HAHAHA. This one of the funniest things I've ever read on this board. DQ1 is Dr. Seuss/Mother Goose compared to FF1. It surpassed DQ1 in every way. No way it was 'slapped together'. It was probably the best planned game ever at the time.

>> No.8126974

>>8126967
The sad thing is I don't even think you're trolling, you really are just coping in real time. Nobody is saying FF1 is a bad game, it's pretty amazing and mind blowing for its time, and its presentation still holds up today. Shit just doesn't work as its designed to though, it sucks but the game has been remade and fixed like a hundred times so it's all good.

>> No.8126984

>>8126974
>It was probably the best planned game ever at the time
lol no hes definitely trolling

>> No.8126985

>>8126939
The game was coded by a single Iranian immigrant who didn't speak Japanese.

>> No.8126987

>>8126985
im sure hew as living the salaryman life at the time

>> No.8126994

>>8126984
>he doesn't know what planning is

>> No.8127001

>>8126967
>It surpassed DQ1 in every way
except for magic
you can actually use magic in DQ, or magical items, and they do the thing theyre supposed to. crazy
even crazier: the magic gets stronger when you level up

>> No.8127013

>>8126994
i know its definitely not leaving the entire assembly code of your game up to to an iranian man whom you dont share a common language with

>> No.8127018

>>8127001
Actually DQ had fixed damage spells by design, though there were a few scaling spells in the other games. But other than that you're right.

>> No.8127025

>>8127018
lol oh yea how could i forget HURT

>> No.8127112

>>8123582
I wish more games had that. It's a good way to stop people from just mashing A

>> No.8127341

>>8126939
>do you know why its "final" fantasy?
Because their first choice Fighting Fantasy was already taken so they picked the next best word they could think of that started with F.

>> No.8127364

>>8126921
I've beaten it using every class except Thief.
Maybe you should git gud

>> No.8127375

Why is this board so pretentious?

>> No.8127381

>>8127013
Especially when he does not know what a JRPG is.

>> No.8127402

okay let's do this.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/nes/522595-final-fantasy/faqs/57009
>INT = Intelligence. SHOULD probably increase Magic Accuracy, but does nothing.
>LCK = Luck. Increases chance to run (but has little influence due to a bug)
>There's also a bug in the player's elemental
weaknesses, the player is "weak" against any element their weapon is strong against. Fortunately, the bug that prevents the weapon elemental strengths from ever being loaded makes this bug never do anything.
>Regeneration - Character recovers 2HP per turn (bugged and does not work
>due to a quirk of programming, characters CAN recover from statuses previously set in-battle while dead (e.g., Paralysis)
>Enemies [sleep status] - Bugged. It is supposed to be the same as PCs, but enemies always wake on their first turn.
> While silenced, a character cannot use the Magic Command (Spells), Equip Command (Enchanted Items), or the Drink Command (Potions). [. . .]all three of these commands are treated as "magic" by in-battle
operations, so that's probably why they're all prohibited. By the same token, enemies are prevented from using their special attacks, which are also effectively "Magic."
>When confused, [. . .] Enemies do not actually "attack" each other however, but rather, are programmed to cast the "FIRE" spell. This is true regardless of which enemy it is.
>[enemy types affect] Weapon Damage/Accuracy Bonuses (bugged and does not work) [. . .] Setting regenerative status (bugged and does not work)
>Due to a bug, Black Belts gain +4 Magic Defense per level, but Master actually gain considerably less, +1.
>spell charges are capped at nine making the tenth charge ineffectual, strongly suggests that the gain at L22 was unintentional and qualifies as a bug.
>The game is supposed to check to see if the BB is wearing armor, and if not, to set Defense = Level. However, the game is bugged to check whether a Weapon is equipped, rather than armor
character limit up. doing spells next

>> No.8127431

>>8127402
>>The game is supposed to check to see if the BB is wearing armor, and if not, to set Defense = Level. However, the game is bugged to check whether a Weapon is equipped, rather than armor
That's pretty funny

>> No.8127441

>>8127381
I heard that, about how Nasir didn't know what RPGs were or what exactly he was coding. What? Surely he had to have heard of Ultima somewhere, right?

>> No.8127467

>spoonfeeding lazy OP
based OP, playing you guys like a fiddle

>> No.8127468

>>8127364
cool dude. ive played it with all classes AND thief which is also broken in regards to its classes main stat, luck
and you never noticed how absolutely fucking worthless all mage classes are?
damn dude you must be an absolute nigger
did u rike it?

>>8127375
its just a few fucking faggots
either patch the game or dont
no one will know or care, youll just have a much better time if you choose any mages or thief if you patch it

>> No.8127469

>>8123245
Either deal with the bugs, or play one of the remakes, you can't have both!

>> No.8127481

>>8127441
considering the entire JRPG genre at the time consisted of DQ, its not really that surprising hed never heard of it

>> No.8127485

>>8127441
He'd only coded action games, I doubt he was playing CRPGs.

>> No.8127534

>>8127402
Magic Effects
>09 - Defense Up* - Adds Effectivity to target's Defense
>0A - Resist Element* - Grants Elemental Resistance
>0B - Attack Up** - Adds Effectivity to Attack
>0C - Hit Multiplier Up - Adds 1 to target's Hit Multiplier
>0D - Attack/Accuracy Up** - Adds Effectivity to Attack, and Spell Accuracy to Hit%
>11 - Remove Resistance* - Clears Elemental Resistance
>*Effect Routine is bugged and spells that use it will not work on enemies. (Effect 0A misses Enemy Caster, but may hit other enemies)
>**Effect Routine is bugged and spells that use it will not work on PCs.

Spells
>Enemy elemental resistance is not stored in the in-RAM data, so spells like AFIR and XFER don't work.
>Absorb for enemy targets is loaded from ROM instead of RAM for magic, making FOG not work.
>Several caster bytes are loaded for magic, with wrong values. But none are actually used.
>Spells causing multiple status ailments will claim "Ineffective" if the target has any of the ailments (all will still be applied though).
>*TMPR should use OB (Attack Up) rather than 0D (Attack/Accuracy Up)
>*LOK2 should use 0E (Evasion Down) rather than 10 (Evasion Up)
>*HEL2 should have 24 Effectivity, rather than 48 [it is identical to heal 3]
>*SABR should have a spell accuracy value; [it literally does nothing AND can't hit]
**From a Player standpoint, LOCK, TMPR, SABR, and XFER do not work, [no effect] and LOK2 actually helps the enemy.

Misc
>A spiked square always remains spiked, and the battle on it can be triggered each time it is stepped on, ad infinitum.

>Running is successful if Luck > 0...(Level + 15)
>However, running is bugged on the NES and it loads something else instead of the runner's level:
>Slot 1: Slot 3's Status byte
>Slot 2: Slot 4's Status byte
>Slot 3: Identifier for entity that attacks third, either 0-8 or 128-131
>Slot 4: Depending on the one's digit of Slot 4's HP, 128-137

>> No.8127667

>>8123894
(Seruous question) What's wrong with the new pixel remaster ff1? I loved it
>inb4 the font, idgaf

>> No.8127673

>>8127667
Serious question. When you made this post asking for flaws and then said how you don't care about the flaws, what kind of answer did you expect? Or did you just want to show off how cool you are for being apathetic?

>> No.8127737

>>8127667
Literally nothing. Except the font.

>> No.8130115

>>8123248
I'll never understand the way anons will cling to this idea of an original experience being superior to any other. Authenticity is not a good thing because it's authentic, it's good because it is typically a higher quality experience. But when the authentic experience is strictly subpar to another, then it makes no sense to hold up the authentic experience as superior. If the game is buggy as hell, a patch to fix the bugs is objectively superior. You can't even make the case of "as the developers intended" if they were too rushed/pressured to fix bugs that they otherwise would have fixed.

>> No.8130136

>>8130115
Anon, there's plenty of improved ways to play FF1 for actual gameplay-objective or even experience-related reasons. OP's intentions are obviously based on having the game look the "retroest" possible while not having to deal with literally everything else that would entail. That is as much of a dumb and shallow reason as any autistic muh-experience purist criticism. NOBODY is in the right or in the wrong here; it's just about choosing which sort of poser you are.

>> No.8130424

>>8130115
>>8126924
these

>> No.8130481

>>8126921
>literally all other classes in FF are broken at a fundamental level, rendering them completely and totally worthless
Based, BALS TO THE WALL is the only way to win

>> No.8131890

>>8126901
you're being a massive faggot dude, please stop

>> No.8131908

>>8126747
>>It's a good thing to be level 10 and only have 4 spells you can cast before healing at an inn, it's actually so incredibly soulful to run out of spell charges in the middle of a dungeon
It's based on D&D, just use melee like Gandalf and save spells for bosses.

>> No.8131925

>>8131908
That makes the game so annoyingly expensive to have to buy potions and antidotes all the time when you should just be able to use your magic, you're basically saying white magic is useless. And unless you have a red mage, your mages aren't going to be doing shit with physical attacks. If you picked a thief you're also fucked, so the game forces you to pick exclusively fighters, black belts, and red mages, there's no reason at all for any other class, which is just bad balancing and if you actually want to have a creative run of the game instead of press x to win you are going to have a bad time. People shit talk the GBA version for using MP instead of charges but it's just such a better system all around, preferring charges is masochistic, it's basically saying you enjoy using magic as few times as you possibly can.

>> No.8132271

>>8123358
>https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1631/
this.

most people want to just fix the obvious bugs, restore censored content, be able to run, and be able to buy more than one potion at a time. this hack does that.

there are some other optional things like double the boss hp and boss music and stuff that you can turn off if you dont want it, but it seems fine.

but also there is really nothing wrong with the original final fantasy. yes some of the spells dont work and some of the calculations are messed up, but most people didnt notice.