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This is a thread to discuss the latest developments in FPGA emulation of popular retro consoles.

This is a legitimate retro gaming-related thread and if it gets off-topic this is purely down to juvenile trolls who take pathetic delight in derailing the conversation.

Latest MiSTer updates (05/05/21):

C64:
- C1541: fix: some fast loaders didn't work in previous release.
- RAM now always get cleared before PRG and CRT load regardless the option.
- Boot cart option (OSD->Hardware), so boot3.rom isn't used anymore.

>> No.7726906

I'm assuming romhacks that struggle on actual hardware would similarly struggle on an fpga equivalent?

>> No.7727019

What are some options other than MiSTer?

>> No.7727035 [DELETED] 

>>7726778
Looks like the ghost trap from ghostbustes. Fuck off with your emulation threads, original hardware is the only way.

>> No.7727048

>>7726906
yes

>> No.7727054 [DELETED] 

>>7727035
Looks like the ghost trap from ghostbustes.
You say that like that's a bad thing.
>Fuck off with your emulation threads, original hardware is the only way.
It really isn't the only way. Unless you're a butthurt collectorfag mad that people can now play game roms with no noticable difference to original hardware.

>> No.7727062 [DELETED] 

>>7727035
Ditch your rotting plastic grampa. FPGA is here to stay.

>> No.7727078

>>7727019
MiST is the an older project which still gets support and updates
SiDi is a newer project built around a cheaper board intended to be a lower cost alternative to MiSTer.
Jotego tries to support all three platforms with his cores but the newest CPS2 core really pushes the weaker platforms to their limits.

>> No.7727112 [DELETED] 

I swear there were shitposts in this thread already, did they get deleted?

>> No.7727118 [DELETED] 

>>7726778
Your shill thread will get destroyed, like all the others.

>> No.7727129

>>7726906
Like which one? We can try if you want.

>> No.7727136

>>7726778
No thanks MiSTer. If I wanted an emulation box, I would just emulate on my PC.

>> No.7727142

Why is this stupid emu box so fucking ugly?

>> No.7727215

>>7727142
>>>/fa/

>> No.7727249

>>7727078
Note that MiST and SiDi are both analogue video only, no HDMI.

>> No.7727254

no thanks mister, i will not be buying your emulation machine.

>> No.7727280

Yesterday I wanted to try some arcade cores and some of them didn't work, I got the error message " rbf files missing " what's that supposed to be ? Isn't the update all script supposed to give me all the files needed ?

>> No.7727294

>>7727254
Why not? It's a pretty good emulation box.

>> No.7727302

>>7727280
Which update script are you using? There's an older one that is no longer being updated.

This is the best current 'update all' script:

https://github.com/theypsilon/Update_All_MiSTer

>> No.7727307

>>7727280
Arcade cores are split in to system file groups - .mra and .rbf. The first are text flies describing a specific arcade game so the core can set itself up properly, these are the files you select in MiSTer menu. The second (.rbf) are actual core files containing the FPGA code. Somehow .mra flie can't reach the .rbf file in your case.
Since you have update_all, do you use Arcade Organizer in that script? It's supposed to put all arcade files in proper folders.

>> No.7727339

>>7727302
That's the one I'm using

>>7727307
Yeah using the Arcade Organizer, should I disable it and try a new update or should I delete the update all script and put a new one ?

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7727354

FPGA is not emulation. It’s. Not. Fucking. Emulation. FPGA IS NOT EMULATION!!!!!!!!!!

>> No.7727359 [DELETED] 

>>7727354
emulation is literally mentioned twice in the OP

>> No.7727361

>>7727339
I'm totally guessing right now, but try to delete ".mister_updater", ".mister_updater_jt", ".mister_updater_unofficials" and ".cache" folders from the Scripts folder. This should delete your update history including Arcade Organizer. Maybe full update from scratch can find gaps in your setup.

>> No.7727410 [DELETED] 

>>7727354
MiSTerfags don't like it when other people call it emulation. And now I think they realize they have no choice but to call it emulation.

>> No.7727414

>>7727129
I'm thinking about the analogue pocket and pokemon romhacks

>> No.7727436 [DELETED] 

>>7727354
Anything that pretends to be the original design without being exactly like it is emulation by the dictionary term, so you could call all hardware revisions of consoles emulation too.

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https://twitter.com/AzumFpg/status/1390329577134829576

>> No.7727465 [DELETED] 

>>7727436
Official hardware revisions by definition could not be emulation. Clone consoles, yes. Your gay emulation box, most definitely.

>> No.7727505 [DELETED] 

>>7727465
>Official hardware revisions by definition could not be emulation
Why not?

>> No.7727513

Aw, OP finally took more photos of his Mister.

I wonder if he’ll actually have more convincing conversations with himself this time too. Gotta try to fool people into believing more than one person fell for the Mister meme.

>> No.7727553 [DELETED] 

>>7727505
Because they're owned by the company that made the hardware to begin with, the company that owns the patent and license for it is allowed to redefine its own hardware. It's not "emulating" the older version, it's the latest and most optimal version of the same hardware as seen fit by the company that created it to begin with. Nothing about it is emulation, it's not even done by a third party.

Clone consoles are emulated but are done with hardware that matches the original, so that's a slightly grey area, though it is still emulation. Everything else is without question emulation, whether it's Mister or raspberry pi or somebody's wii, it doesn't matter what the differences are between the approach, everything in that ball park is emulation. This is stating the obvious of course, but there were tons of people in the last four or five threads avoiding the E word altogether.

>> No.7727561

>>7727361
I tried your method and it failed, so after checking my SD card under /cores I had only 93 files even though the number of Arcade mra files was close to 300, definitely I was missing a lot rbf files.

I started to check the update all settings and finally found the culprit, under "Main Updater" the option install new cores was set to false... I don't even remember changing this, so all this time I was updating without getting new arcade cores, I was getting the mra files though which is strange.

Anyway thanks for your help !

>> No.7727576

>>7727561
>I had only 93 files even though the number of Arcade mra files was close to 300, definitely I was missing a lot rbf files.
My set up has only 104 files in Cores folder. There should be more .mra files than .rbf files, as the later ones are reusable between .mra's. Look at rbf as an entire arcade board and mra as sets of romchips for individual games.

>> No.7727720

>>7727576
Just checked now, you are right, I have 105 rbf files, I thought the number of rbf files was supposed to match the number of mra files.

After checking, I noticed the script downloaded all regions for some arcade games, so all the different region are actually different mra files If I understand this correctly ?

>> No.7727809

>>7727720
Yeah. One MRA = one version of the arcade board. A single RBF serves multiple MRAs. These MRAs may be either different versions of the same game or completely different games as long as they use the same hardware.

>> No.7727823

>>7727465
Call it emulation if you want, but it's the best emulation. All consoles will die one day, beside getting more and more expensive.
So what exactly is your problem?

>> No.7727835

>>7727823
>beside getting more and more expensive.
Can you stop shilling this? For the price of one mister you could get every console that the mister can't emulate plus a flash solution.

>> No.7727857

Is output to a real arcade XY monitor a thing yet for these FPGA setups?

>> No.7727874

>>7727857
There's the Mistercade. I'm not sure what the video output is but people have been using it to output to real candy cabs.

>> No.7727895

>>7727874
There's also like a dozen different competing products aimed at connecting MiSTer to a JAMMA setup.

>> No.7728074

> something cheaper than the sinden light gun
> basically an adapter for preexisting guncons is in the works
Oh boy.

>> No.7728203 [DELETED] 

>report shitpost
>gets deleted

Absolutely based jannies.

>> No.7728269

>>7728074
What are you referring to?

>> No.7728294

>>7728269
https://mobile.twitter.com/JBGameLab/status/1390370938043080705?s=19

>> No.7728348

>>7727835
>For the price of one mister you could get every console that the mister can't emulate plus a flash solution.
Please show me were I can get a SNES, Genesis with a sega cd and a pc duo that are all RGB modded for under $500.

>> No.7728356

>>7728348
>that the mister can't emulate
>can't
stupid

>> No.7728367

>>7728348
those consoles are all cheap though, even if your reading comprehension is poor. You can get all of those for under $300, I don't know shit about RGB modding or what that matters but those consoles all regularly go under $60, $40 more realistically, and clone consoles even cheaper.

But I meant a N64, Saturn, and PS1. Out of those only the Saturn is the expensive one but it's also the cheapest to mod. Let's say we get an N64 and a PS1 for $80 together, a Saturn for $60. We're looking at $140 for the consoles, $100 for the astronomically high N64 evercart, and about $40 for a Pseudo Saturn and a PS1 mod chip together. $20 left over. Realistically though you would only buy the console that has soul and that you want to own <3

>> No.7728381

>>7728367
>You can get all of those for under $300
I beat up PC engine duo goes for 200$+

>> No.7728394

>>7728381
Oh, sorry, I misread that as PC Engine. idk man, I guess you got me on that one, it's too niche for me to warrant spending that cash on it. I have other ways of emulating it besides buying a $300+ system though.

>> No.7728402

>>7728294
Oh shit that's sweet

>> No.7728421

>>7728402
Right? We'll have to wait to see what the input latency is, but this is huge for guncon games. Not even just for mister.

>> No.7729707

>>7728294
Same guy is also working on an adapter for use with CRT displays.

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>>7726778
But no Shill. kys nigger

>> No.7729784

>>7726778
What’s the best way to get started with Mister.

>> No.7729791

>>7729784
to not buy it and to not be a poorfag and use an actual console

>> No.7729847

>>7729784
1. Get DE-10 Nano from an electronics supply online store
2. Decide which seller of pre-assembled MiSTer addon boards is best for your location
3. Order SDRAM board (you will need it) and maybe I/O and USB boards depending on your needs
4. Do your own research to get used to platform and make decisions based on your own wishes
Remember kids, this is a modular platform and somebody's unfinished build may be just enough for another person.

>> No.7729848

>>7729791
Turbo based

>> No.7729875

>>7726778
>latest developments
What are you even talking about. FPGA emulation is perfect and always has been and is totally not emulation. There's literally nothing to discuss other than how perfect and awesome it is and how it's not emulation.

>> No.7729889

>>7726778
Marvel vs Capcom in a few hours.

>> No.7730715

>>7729889
Jotego is running late today it would seem

>> No.7730731

>>7729875
(You)

>> No.7730735

>>7728394
PC-Engine software emulation is pretty crap though.

>> No.7730737

>>7730735
Bomberman 93 and 94 run like magic on my wii, dude.

Only PC Engine games worth playing.

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7730802

Latest furrtek update just posted:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-konami-50953520

Note that he does mention there's nothing imminent for Mister but still all good stuff in the greater scheme of things.

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>>7730802
That means that the sticky note he made for himself has failed.

>> No.7730952 [DELETED] 

>>7726778
Cringe thread

>> No.7731445

>>7730737
someone does not like shmups lol

>> No.7731812

>>7731445
half the time I boot up my MiSTer I just end up playing some shmup on PC Engine

>> No.7731875

>>7730737
Valis is pretty neat too.

>> No.7731914

>>7731812
Hope you are playing Star Parodier.

>> No.7731923

>>7731914
not yet, no SDRAM, still waitin, when I get it, I wanna go nuts playing stuff like Valis and VNs and shit and all the PC Engine CD shmups as well

Any estimate on when we're going to get the PS1 core? I just gotta have my Cool Boarders 4

>> No.7731927

>>7731875
There are a lot of great game on PC-Engine, the soldier series, dracula x and so on, that anon is just shitposting.

>> No.7732036

>>7731923
Hard to say. He still has to port it to de 10 nano, but it is at a good spot. I was thinking summer, but that might be a bit too soon. I definitely think it will be released in some form by the end of the year.

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>> No.7732227
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7732227

Ordered mine today, best tutorial video for setting it up?

>> No.7732273

>>7732227
Don't need one.
> use balena etcher to install Mr fusion onto an SD card
> insert and turn it on, let it do its thing.
> once it's all good to go ssh into your mister while it's km (on the main menu move to the left and you'll see its ip. User:root, pass:1)
> grab update all and drop it in to scripts folder
> run it with the options you want and wait about 30 minutes
You're good to go after that

>> No.7732312

>>7732064
is the 8bitdo arcade stick actually good

>> No.7732472

>>7732312
If you like plastic junk that vaguely resembles an arcade stick, sure.

>> No.7732575

>>7726778
not trolling just curious
what's the benefit to FPGA over any other small SBC for emulation? Like I get that it's supposed to be a complete replica of hardware but is it really that noticeable or is it just epeen/autism?

>> No.7732595

>>7727019
Yes.

>> No.7732640

>>7732575
Hardware accuracy is the main benefit. How much that matters depends on the person and how incurable their autism and platform choice. Stuff like the Gameboy or NES is probably a pretty diminishing return when it comes to accuracy, but things like the Sega Genesis (especially the sound), Neo Geo, etc. benefit a lot more in terms of noticeable differences.

Another big benefit is that it's able to create the output with zero latency and has built methods for upscaling which don't add any extra latency. So it's entirely up to your display what you get out of it. And the fact that you can use it with CRTs is another nice addition so that it's basically indistinguishable from the real thing.

I'm an original hardwarefag and this thing absolutely changed my views on emulation where every other device/configuration has left me disappointed. I'm also in at least the top quarter of autism and an rPi may be fine depending on your current sperg-levels. Honestly it just depends what's important to you and your usage case.

>> No.7732679

>>7732640
thanks for the qrd
I have a pi myself and really only emulate on it things that I've never played before so it's not like I can really tell how accurate it is outside of look and feel.
But the audio point is very intriguing. Could something like MiSTer or FPGA emulate soundchips on the fly? Genesis had a yamaha FM based chip in it IIRC and the idea that this tech could be used for synths is really cool.
But on the gaming side how long until speedrun autists take records on FPGA in the same category as bare metal? lol

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>>7726778

>> No.7732778

>>7732064
3 of those controllers are basically the same thing. You only really need the stick and the Sega style.

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>>7726778
Shill

>> No.7732994

>>7732273
>balena etcher
lmao

>> No.7733237

>>7732679
>the idea that this tech could be used for synths is really cool.
FPGAs are indeed starting to be embraced in music synthesizer design. The Waldorf Kyra and Udo Super 6 are two recent examples where the analog circuitry and components of classic subtractive synths have been modeled using FPGAs. But they're really fucking expensive right now.

>> No.7733613

>>7728294
This thing is ultimately worthless because you essentially have to build the whole thing yourself. I'm looking forward to the Guncon adapter a lot more.

>> No.7733810

>>7732640
>NES is probably a pretty diminishing return when it comes to accuracy
NES was actually a big reason for me getting a MiSTer. There's no cheap solution to get an NES modded so you don't play with garbage composite and flashcarts are expensive.

>> No.7733832

>>7733810
Yeah, when it comes to usage there's definitely a good argument to be made. The latency vs. a rPi is way better. Even on an LCD TV the MiSTer is perfectly playable which no other emulation stuff (NES/SNES mini, rPi) have been able to accomplish.

For the cost of an RGB mod + Flash cart on NES you could more than afford a MiSTer and some of the extra add-ons.

>> No.7733882

>>7733832
I feel like the justification for a MiSTer first has to lay on whether you want hardware accuracy and latency. From there, it justifies itself immediately with a single console when it comes ot mods and flash carts. It grows exponentially you consider its also a multi console.

>> No.7734225

>>7733882
Yeah. That's How I saw It was worth it. NES alone was a huge draw for me, and then there's PC-Engine and Neo Geo as a nice bonus - but I ended up ditching my SNES and Genesis from my setup when I saw MiSTer was just better (for me anyway). They're just for show now.

My SNES is a RGB modded SNES Jr, it's the sharpest SNES possible but it has some vertical bands in Dark scenes and the contrast is higher than intended on original SNES models.

Genesis is a japanese VA1 Mega Drive and still has banding issues foi which I heard have to do with capacitors.

>> No.7734238

I always hear that 720p has more input lag than 1080p on 4k tvs since "The TV has to upscale more". But I never saw anyone actually testing this. Is it really a thing or just a meme? I prefer 720p since I use scanlines and my TV doesn't support 1440p from the MiSTer for whatever reason.

>> No.7734284

>>7734238
Eh... Depends on the TV. If it isn't blurring the fuck out of the image, you're probably fine. When it does that, you can be sure it's doing some processing shenaginans.

>> No.7734407

>>7734238
My TV has less lag in 720p than in 1080p. Not sure why, shouldn't be any difference in processing a 3x upscale compared to a 2x, my guess is that the scaler chip is doing some fancy scaling algorithm from 1080 (likely involving checkerboarding) but that algorithm doesn't work for other scaling factors so it uses a more simple one for 720 and below, which is faster.
I can imagine some TVs are the opposite, doing a fancy scaling algorithm at low resolutions but not having enough power to do that processing on a 1080 image.
I've also got a projector that has different input lag depending on the aspect ratio setting because they all use slightly different scaling algorithms. The lowest lag "point to point" setting actually disables scaling entirely, so you get a tiny image in the middle of the screen. Pretty annoying actually.
So just try it and see what works on your setup.

>> No.7734420

>paying $300+ for an emulator
big yikes

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>>7733237
FPGAs are absolutely perfect for recreating digital circuits (like consoles and computers) that operate on precise and predictable parameters, however they suck and struggle to recreate ANALOG circuits in any realistic and believable way because of low logic elements counts not sufficient enough to take in account the constant shift in unpredictable analog circuits. Ironically as it might sound, DSP software on something like an ARM processor does a lot better at emulating analog behavior using complex algorithms.

This illustrates what an FPGA does for better and worse vs software processes, FPGAs RECREATE the process based on virtualizing precise circuit calculations while software emulation just mimics the outcome of that process. This is what a lot of idiots struggle to, or don't want to, understand and why we rather should use "virtualization" for FPGA processes instead of "emulation" since it's a lot more aptly descriptive and would less confuse mouth-breathers desperately trying to convince themselves not to spend $300 and consequently spamming the internet with moronic takes for conformation bias (like our lovely resident sociopath with a frail ego and dicklet/poorfag complex, India-kun).

As for use in recreating analog subtractive synths, FPGAs suck for analog oscillators and analog filters for the reasons stated above, they do however a great/perfect job in recreating specific digital components of older synths like their CPU's and D/A conversions before hitting the analog stage (like the MiSTer does) etc and are what they are also used for currently.

The Super 6, Kyra and Novation FPGA stuff, in comparison to analog synths, sound cold, sterile and almost unmusical to the point of software plugins being more believable, and this is coming from a guy who got a Prophet 10 rev4 3 weeks ago.

TLDR; FPGAs are shit for analog, just still use discrete/IC components or even software as it will still be a lot more cost effective and satisfactory.

>> No.7734608

>>7734595
I mean the only way to perfectly replicate analog is to use analog parts and there's a reason people don't do that shit anymore. The best you can do is emulate them unless you build them 1:1 with analog components.

>> No.7734629

>>7734238
My 4k LG C9 OLED has more input lag in 720p upscaling than 1080p (see Rtings test), and it's noticeable along with worse picture quality.
It's not a meme and probably the case more times than not for the reason "you always hear", but if for some reason you really are set on using 720p then just convince yourself it's a meme and cope, that seems to work great for a lot of people too, if so just please be a peach and keep it to yourself.

>> No.7734664

>>7734608
There are a lot of analog poly-synths still being made (and more to come), in fact even more than FPGA and "virtual analog" combined today, if you factor in mono and Eurorack then real analog component synths dwarfs them to a ludicrous extent.

Problem with "fake analog" hardware is that it's still going to sound artificial and corny so you might as well use free software plugin's (Pg-8x, Ob-XD, Tal U No 62 etc) at that point and save a literal ton of cash.

>> No.7734790

>>7734629
Original poster here, I feel a bit more responsiveness in 1080p on my tests yes but I don't have a way to measure that cientifically, so I'm just wondering if it's placebo. Can you link me those tests? I didn't find a singlt RTings test that tested input lag on 720p content.

>> No.7734828

>>7730802
>>7730897

He needs to work on the neo geo core. The sound is off on certain games.

t. someone who has an AES and MVS.

>> No.7734880

>>7734790
>>7734629
Alright so I tried out a custom 1200p resolution and that works flawlessly on my TV. It's a Samsung Q60R. It's definitely more responsive than 720p, and I think I know why. Like this anon >>7734238 said there must be something programmed in the scaling chip that processes 720p differently on my set, becasue at 720p there's some scalind and zoom options that are disabled at 1080p and above.

The difference from 720p to 1200p isn't HUGE but it's a good 5ms or so. So definitely games feel better to play overall.

Good thing 1200p is a perfect 4x scaling. Even if my TV scaled 720p really well, 1200p just looks better. So I'm happy now.

>> No.7734884

>>7734880
Meant to quote >>7734407 for the scaling chip thing. Thanks for the tip anon.

>> No.7734886

Gameboy core update:

- New mappers: MBC30, MBC7, GB Camera (paulb-nl).
- Fixes in PPU and CPU (paulb-nl).
- Improved savestates (Robert Peip).
- MiSTer themed borders pack (birdybro).
- Updated framework.

>> No.7735160

>>7726778
I want one, but $380 with shipping for a prebuilt system from Mister Add On is kinda steep.

>> No.7735164

>>7727254
Won't or can't?

>> No.7735167

>>7727513
I bought one and have original hardware that I don't play either. I just love spending money and learning shit.

>> No.7735182

>>7735160
So build your own. You don't need all of those extra components, either.

>> No.7735190

>>7734884
Glad you could find a solution.

>> No.7735192

>>7735160
You only need the board and some SDRAM. That's a $200 - $250 ballpark.

I spend some $50 more on a Mini ITX case, fan cooler etc but I really wanted it.

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>>7735164
Reminder.

>> No.7735251

>>7735192
Don’t you need the fan and powered USB hub? Can you use old XBox 360 controllers on a DE Nano without the powered USB hub? I have a Wii U game pad too, would that work?
Without the IO board how do you turn it off?

>> No.7735259

>>7735192
These will fit in a mini ATX case? How?

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>>7735251
>Don’t you need the fan
Yes, that was very cheap. I made a fan mount out of ABS plastic so I didn't need the I/O board.

>and powered USB hub?
I don't use one, just plug the controller straight to USB.

>>7735259
Yeah. I had an I/O shield and mATX 3D Printed from here https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4738986 and bought some extension cables.

The "hardest" part was probably the momentary to latching adapter to get the power button working. Bought a 5v appropriate one from Aliexpress and it worked fine. No solder needed - although if you don't mind you can skip this step and wire the Power button to Reset on the MiSTer via GPIO instead.

>> No.7735446

>>7735251
The Wii U controller probably doesn't work since it's not DInput or Xinput. The IO board doesn't add a on/off button, so you need a solution for that, either 2.1mm barrel plug extension with an on/off button or wiring something up yourself.

>> No.7735451

>>7735251
>>7735446
Forgot to mention but you need a microUSB to USB OTG cable and any Xinput/Dinput controller will work fine

>> No.7735473

I'm pretty new to FPGA emulation because hardware emulating old consoles hasn't really interested me much. But I am interested in hardware emulation of old PC tech. Was curious if this has been done and to what extent. I know there were some projects out there, but how accurate are they, etc?

>> No.7735501

>>7735473
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/MiSTer
Anything Superstar status is at least 95%+ accuracy.

>> No.7735507

>>7735501
Cool. Thanks for the link.

>> No.7735549

>>7735426
>Yes, that was very cheap. I made a fan mount out of ABS plastic so I didn't need the I/O board.
How would I go about making a fan mount. What kind of fan do I need to get.

>> No.7735618

>>7735549
Any fan that has two plugs - power and ground. You can plug it on the GPIO pins. By rule any fan that works on a Raspberry Pi will work just fine on MiSTer and there's a ton of them and they're cheap.

The pins available are for either 3.3v or 5v, and I used a 12v fan wired over 5v. That makes it spin at half capacity, so in turn it's very silent. I'd recommend one of these since 5v fans can be noisy. Mine's the 12v 2 pin option here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32640103358.html

For the fan mount it's very DYI. I had a sheet of ABS plastic, measured everything and made the cuts. Heck I even stuck the fan to the mount with double sided tape. But theoretically any way you can think of to make the fan sit on top of the heatsink will be fine.

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>>7735618
Forgot to mention but you also may need female to male jumper wires like these to be able to plug the fan over GPIO.

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>>7734595
>TLDR; I just filled half a page posting about something I know nothing about

>> No.7736160

>downloading and converting full romsets for Saturn/Mega CD, PS1, and CD Engine to .chd files
I know I only need to do it once, and it saves an immense amount of space, but holy fuck this is taking forever.

>> No.7736298

>>7732312
>>7732064
8bitdo products are garbage.
If you want an arcade stick join me in hell waiting for etokki to restock their omni units.

>> No.7736665

Will FPGA's ever be capable of replicating Dreamcast,GameCube or PS2 hardware?
If yes how long do you anons estimate will it take until we are able to do that?

>> No.7736674

>>7736665
I mean, you could write HDL to describe a PS5's hardware/architecture and push it onto an FPGA that technically exists today- the problem is having a development platform that's affordable to an end-user with enough logic elements for the platforms your trying to recreate. The DE10 nano is in a strangely affordable place relative to other FPGA dev boars, although the price did get increased recently it's still the current sweet spot for logic-units/$. Dreamcast, GC, and PS2 are all much more complicated than the PS1/Saturn which is probably the upper limit of what's possible on the MiSTer platform- but not exponentially so. I think within 10 years we'll have a successor to the DE10 and headway will have been made by the hobbyists writing cores broaching into 6th gen consoles- until then I'd advise you to just buy each one of those consoles and hack them because they're plentiful and still cheap.

>> No.7737236

>>7736665
fairly sure you could have it today, if you're willing to spend a couple thousand bucks for the beefy fpga you'd need for that.

>> No.7738565

>>7735618
What heat sink do you recommend. I can't seem to find the tiny ones needed for the nano.

>> No.7738604

>>7735618
I see a lot of used Misters for sale with only the 32 MB Ram stick. They say that's enough to play Sega CD, but is it enough to play Neo Geo?

>> No.7738619

>>7738604
>is it enough to play Neo Geo?
not every game there is a list though that shows what games need a certain amount of ram

https://github.com/MiSTer-devel/NeoGeo_MiSTer/blob/master/releases/romsets.xml

>> No.7738624

laxer3a has suddenly left the PS1 project, so now it's just ultraembedded

>> No.7738662

>>7738624
Why?

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>> No.7738762

A few of the MiSTer "devs" are incredibly catty little shits. A shame they scared off good talent.

>> No.7738770

>>7738762
What kind of skills do you even need to write cores?
At the very least I would think these people would require an electrical engineering degree, coding experience; to be a nerd with a lot of free time, and the dedication to do something extremely tedious in that time.

That's a lot of boxes to tick, so it's no surprise there's so few- and those that exist are ... eccentric.

>> No.7738784

>>7738724
> personal friction with my coworker
It's identity politics isn't it?

>> No.7738791

>>7738784
Might just be the other guy wasn't opening his source code and just being difficult in general. All is said and done, at least the guy who quit released all the source of what they've done so far.

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>>7726778
SHIllter

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>>7738791
he says he is going to release it

>> No.7738804

>>7738770
In the beginning, yes. But going forward programming is the main task. A lot of the electronics have been documented already and the code is out there to build on, also there's more money in this now through Patreon etc.

>> No.7739064

>>7738802
well lets all hope for the best then. It'll probably be fine and work out.

>> No.7739078

>>7738724
FUCK

>> No.7739086

>>7738624
Fucking RIP. Laxer3a did the most work.

>> No.7739095

>>7738565
Any heatsink that's 22x22mm. This one for example: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32450279242.html

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>>7736160
Okay now I have a question:
I'm about to grab a redump of the PS1 set, but there's a lot of crap for other languages. I'm seeing ROMs not just for Japan, the USA, and Europe but also specific releases for areas like France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Sweden, etc.

What should I keep, and what should I toss?

>> No.7739550

>>7739539
Keep Japan, keep USA, toss everything else because it's worthless PAL garbage.

>> No.7739560

>>7739550
What about PAL-only releases?

>> No.7739582

>>7736674
10 years? You think it'll take that long? Or is that a very conservative estimate?

>> No.7739584

>>7739560
There were only a handful, and they're all garbage.

>> No.7739604

>>7739584
You're probably right. Also from a practicality standpoint, if I keep the English-language PAL stuff that means there's over 2000 titles to download in #-F category alone, so factoring in G-O, P-S, T-Z that's probably close to 10,000 ROM files I'll need download and convert. That is too fucking much for shit I'll probably never touch, and if I need anything I can just grab it later.

Thanks for saving me literal terabytes in bandwidth.

>> No.7739651 [DELETED] 

>>7738624
>>7738662
>>7739086
>>7738629

>> No.7739658

>>7738724
ps1digital, memcardpro and xstation are absolutely essential tools, yes.

>> No.7740194

>>7739086
He got a ps1digital with xstation now, fuck the project lol

>> No.7740229

Any hardware/electrical engineers want to build a PCB design for the cyclone V SoC? We can probably just get a handheld this way rather than wait for analogue pocket to come back in stock for pre order lmao

>> No.7740472

>>7740194
He got paid a fuck lot more than the cost of his PS1 mods, if it was really about the money and goodies he'd keep the gravy train rolling.

>> No.7740582

So PS1 core never ever now?

>> No.7740595

>>7740582
On forums the dude behind GBA, Lynx and WonderSwan cores promises to step in after the last one is finished, in an event if the PSX core development collapses completely.

>> No.7740609

>>7740595
At this rate we'll probably get Saturn before PS1.

>> No.7740612

>>7740582
Nah, someone else will pick it up. It was already shown playing games sans audio. It'll get done come hell or high water.

>> No.7740734

>>7735160
I got the IO board, SDRAM and USB hub from Ali for about 60$, and they work great. Together with the DE10 it cost me about $200.

It's not difficult at all to set up yourself, just follow the instructions.

>> No.7740742

>>7740595
I'm sure there are a few devs that would pick up PS1, plus Ultraembedded is still working on it as far as I'm aware.

>> No.7740760

>>7736665

The hardest part is getting the blueprints. Without those the consoles have to be reverse engineered, and that's much more difficult with more recent consoles than the older ones.

>> No.7740969

>>7738762
I find that admin they got named sentient6 to be an annoying asshole.
>>7740595
FPGAzumSpass is however based, glad to hear that he might step in. Every time I hear about him he's doing something great.

>> No.7740980

>>7740969
Notice how must of the productive devs rarely take part in the community. Just drop off some updates, answer a few questions, and then get back to work.

>> No.7741023

>>7740980
Good on them. The general retro gaming community is pretty shit so the less you talk with them the better. You don't want to end up like Voultar angrily quote tweeting everything that pisses him off like a 14 year old girl blogger.

>> No.7741230

>>7740229
god I'd love one

>> No.7741443

>>7740229
The smart thing to do would be to combine an RPi compute module with the cyclone 5 so that you could even have hybrid emulation. Best of both worlds.

>> No.7741502

>>7727823
>but it's the best emulation
>can't emulate gen 6+ consoles
let's be real the best emulation are always on pc

>> No.7741526

>>7732064
>muh zero latency
>plays with wireless controller

>> No.7741538

>>7732679
>But on the gaming side how long until speedrun autists take records on FPGA in the same category as bare metal? lol
No one answered this but my guess is it won't be accepted as same category

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https://github.com/PS-FPGA/ps-fpga

>> No.7742101

>>7741849
Well thats good.

>> No.7742215

>>7741526
Yeah the retards who use bluetooth on this to add lag on top of HDTV lag are fucking idiots. If it's at least 2.4ghz it's an acceptable ~3ms.

>> No.7742264

>>7742215
>tfw I do this but the VGA-RCA adapter I bought from the spaniard still hasn't arrived so I can't use it with my CRT

>> No.7742302

>>7742215
I use Bluetooth with mister because it's still within acceptable lag for me.

>> No.7742325

> it's one of those surprise your shit is going to take an extra month to get here from China episodes
Ah, well just a spare power supply.

>> No.7743331

>>7742325
>buying a PSU from china
But why? Getting something that actually passed certification is only going to cost you another 5 bucks.

>> No.7743585

>>7742325
I had something from China recently that was delivered in 6 days.

>> No.7743589

>>7743331
It isn't off brand chink shit, it's a certified power supply.

>> No.7743721

>>7743589
>it's a certified power supply
Or so they say

>> No.7743727

Gee, mister

>> No.7744046 [DELETED] 

>An emulation box
No thanks

>> No.7744069 [DELETED] 

>>7744046
18+ kiddo. Time for you to go.

>> No.7744073 [DELETED] 

>>7744046
You've already made your point clear a hundred times that you don't want one, so why do you STILL keep popping up every day to tell us?

>> No.7744087

For yuro bros, I recommend this PSU

https://opencircuit.shop/Product/Mean-Well-GST25E05-P1J-power-supply-5V-4A

5v 4A and the barrel plug is the right size, with this you could connect whatever you want to your MISTer, you will have more than enough power.

>> No.7744096

>>7744087
That's what I bought. Hope I didn't get chink'd.

>> No.7744109 [DELETED] 

>>7744073
You've already made this thread hundreds of times, so why do you still keep popping in here and making a new mister thread every week? Fuck if off

>> No.7744136 [DELETED] 

>>7744109
It's a general thread where we discuss the latest developments in FPGA retro-gaming which you are constantly trying to derail. It's one single thread and when it's over the bump limit a new one is created. As you can evidently see, it's one of the more popular threads on /vr/. Why don't you fuck off to the DOOM general thread and tell them to stop making a new thread every few days and see how far that gets you.

>> No.7744147 [DELETED] 

>>7744069
I'm 25.

>>7744073
It's my first time posting in this thread.

>> No.7744148 [DELETED] 

>>7744147
Great. Make it your last.

>> No.7744505

Jotego seems done with CPS cores for now, he is moving to Konami cores
https://twitter.com/topapate/status/1392042208103174145

>> No.7744564 [DELETED] 

>>7744148
Nah, I like triggering you FagPedoGayAsses.

>> No.7744594 [DELETED] 

>>7744564
You're as triggering as a gnat. You're more annoying than anything.

>> No.7744635 [DELETED] 

>>7726778
>MiSTer
Is pure trash.

>> No.7744781 [DELETED] 

>>7744635
I'm sorry about that virginity, anon, but perhaps you should look into shitposting elsewhere.

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I got my aliexpress $50 MiSTer IO board and usb hub from china. It's missing the SNAC (p7?) pins and the video output has some messed up colors. Should I pursue a refund?

>> No.7745426 [DELETED] 

>>7744781
I lost my virginity 20 years ago. Good to know I triggered you when I called your MiSTer "trash".

>> No.7745496

>>7745228
Definitely. It's the only way they'll learn. Or try for half price and solder the unsoldered parts yourself.

>> No.7745580 [DELETED] 

>>7745426
Nice try but you're not triggering anyone. I can enjoy my MiSTer and I don't need validation from you or anyone else. You, on the other hand, seem to not be able to live without validating your choice to not get a MiSTer and lash out by shitting up this thread every few hours. It's a real bad look, anon.

>> No.7745590

>>7745496
I think I can also just replace some resistors on the video lines to correct the colors too.
But what's weird is that, as can been seen in the photo, dark red turns blueish, dark green turns purple, and dark blue turns red.

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>>7744505
>tfw cps3 never ever
Feels bad, I heard it was impossible on MiSTer because of the FPGA limit, but then again I heard the same shit about the Saturn so I don't know what to believe anymore. I'm just gonna assume the worst though

>> No.7745693

>>7745624
Saturn development could lead to CPS3. They both use a hitachi SH-2 cpu.

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>>7745693
Don't you give me hope now mister

>> No.7745709

>>7745693
>Jotego is the main CPS guy
>Sorg is making the Saturn core
I bet dumb code politics bullshit would get in the way of any sort of sharing due to how Jotego treats the MiSTer project

>> No.7745749

>>7745709
It's srg320 doing it, not Sorg. I thought they were the same person as well. That scenario could still happen though possibly

>> No.7745921

Is there a way to get Super Gameboy boarders on the nt mini noir jailbreak for the gameboy cores? Or more scaling options?

>> No.7745938 [DELETED] 

>>7745580
>Nice try but you're not triggering anyone.
>I'm sorry about that virginity, anon, but perhaps you should look into shitposting elsewhere.
Sounds like you're pretty triggered to me whenever someone makes a negative comment about the MiSTer. It seems that (you) need validation for paying $350 to emulate 4th gen consoles.

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>>7745938
NOU!

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>>7745981
Stop drinking sóy MiSTer "I want to waste money on an emulation PSU".

>> No.7746047

told y'all niggas that the ps1 core wasn't dropping

>> No.7746054

>>7746047
hopefully other people pick it up both of the people working on it posted what they had

>> No.7746070

>>7746047
Honestly, I'm not that mad, I just kind of wish I had a good way to output from an emulator to RCA. I can fix things like vertex wobble with an emulator.

>> No.7746348

>>7746047
Thank god I saved my money. It's not worth getting if it can't emulate PS1.

>> No.7746428

>>7746348
It's not that it literally can't, it's because of dumb personal bullshit between the former devs that the project paused. The code is out there for anyone else to finish and Ultra did say that he'd return to it but will take a break first

>> No.7746494

>>7746348
lol it will eventually.

>> No.7746542 [DELETED] 

>>7745426
Are you like 50 yo? Jesus

>> No.7746546

>>7745228
>the video output has some messed up colors.
That looks more like interference to me, or crosstalk in your cheap cable. VGA cables can be very temperamental if they're not built right.

Adding a SNAC header is trivial, and you'll need to solder the board anyway if you want to add the extra pin support for Mega Drive controllers.

>> No.7746549

>>7742302
Acceptable If you're on CRT. Anything else and it sucks.

>> No.7746615

>>7746546
ooh you might be on to something. I tried a good vga cable to my LCD monitor and it was perfect after I set my mister to RGB. So it's either my cable, mister's ypbpr output, or my TV. Probably the cable.
I bought a legit looking cheapo cable too, maybe it's a fake. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001O8C6HM/

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>>7745228
>buying chinesium-parts for your mister-setup
haven't you learned anything from the sdram-issue?

>> No.7746648

>>7746546
>>7746615
I used direct video mode with just now with my HDMI to VGA adapter & cheapo VGA to component cable and it's fine.
Is there some reason why component wouldn't work right on the IO board but RGB does?

>> No.7746657

>>7746648
Oof, I don't know enough about video signals for that. My chink board works fine over RGB too, I wonder if they missed off some of the component spec parts? 99% of people are either going to run 15khz RGB, or 31khz VGA.

>> No.7746659

Just get real consoles and you won't have these problems, emufags

They're cheaper, too.

>> No.7746674

>>7746659
>>They're cheaper, too.
The 200 bucks I paid for my MiSTer was far cheaper than what I would've paid for a PC Engine. Hell, the Super SD System 3 alone costs more.

So we've got 200 bucks just for the flashcart with CD support, which offers a passable RGB output, another 100 bucks for the console, and we're up to 300 bucks.

Alright, what about a NES? Well, you can get one for 30 bucks, but an RGB mod will run you 100 bucks if you're willing to spend an afternoon desoldering your PPU. And a flashcart is about 50 bucks.

So now we're up to 500 bucks for 2 consoles. But hey, the next couple are cheap, at least. Mega Drives are 20 bucks, a flashcart is 40, a SNES can be found for 30, plus another 40 for a flashcart (without full game support), so 130 bucks for another 2 consoles. But oh, wait, we forgot about Sega CD. Oh well.

The less said about Neo Geo, the better, honestly. We'd eclipse everything else combined pretty fast. Arcade cores in general are pretty absurd to talk about in terms of cost, and for that matter most of the computers are hitting insane prices now because beige boxes are "retro" now.

Even if we pretend you bought all your consoles for 5 bucks at a flea market 20 years ago, flashcarts, video mods, RGB cables, upscalers, you're quickly going to hit stupid numbers in terms of cost.

>> No.7746676

>>7746674
>PC Engine
Play it on the wii, autist, it's perfect emulation (what you are used to) and you can get one for $50.

>RGB modding
Gay as fuck. I thought you guys value the mister because you can play on a CRT. Why aren't you using composite you nigger?

>But oh, wait, we forgot about Sega CD.
Who the fuck wants to play sega CD? Wii can do it anyway if you really needed to.

>> No.7746694

>Wii
>Perfect emulation
Brainlet

>> No.7746697

>>7746694
I own a PC Engine and a wii, come over here and play bomberman 93 and tell me the differences you can notice.

>> No.7746704

Wii emulators are not meant to be perfect

>> No.7746716

>>7746676
>>Play it on the wii, autist, it's perfect emulation (what you are used to) and you can get one for $50.
It isn't. I've played it, it's good as a starting point, but I'm pretty sure it still can't even play Wonder Momo. There's also the obvious elephant in the room when it comes to bluetooth latency, although I guess you're such a cool dude that you own a Hori GBP controller or something.

>I thought you guys value the mister because you can play on a CRT. Why aren't you using composite you nigger?
Because composite looks like shit 99% of the time, and I don't give a fuck about a few blending effects?

>Who the fuck wants to play sega CD?
It has a few good titles. I hope we get 32X support at some point purely for the sake of Virtua Racing.

>> No.7746728

>>7746716
>but I'm pretty sure it still can't even play Wonder Momo.
Yes it can?

>There's also the obvious elephant in the room when it comes to bluetooth latency
Never once played a single game where this was an issue. I'm convinced latency is a total meme at this point.

>Because the original output looks like shit 99% of the time
Pathetic.

>I hope we get 32X support at some point
You don't even have 32x support? Good God. Not that anybody should ever play 32x games but Jesus christ I thought this box was supposed to have it all. No fifth gen and you can't do 32x either?

>> No.7746750

>>7746728
>the original output
Man, it's such a shame that developers only had access to composite video on their development hardware. Imagine how much better games would've looked if they could actually see the things they were creating. It's also pretty crazy that arcade machines weren't invented until the mid 90s, but then were sent back in time with their crazy RGBHV nonsense.

It's also kind of strange that many of these consoles actively produce an RGB signal which is then combined into a degraded composite source, but I guess nobody noticed that while they were designing the hardware.

>> No.7746751

>>7746750
Just plug the console in and play it.

>> No.7746785

>>7745228
R2R Network values are off. Seems like they use resistors with high tolerance values.
This shouldn't be a huge deal with RGB but because of the nature of component video the chroma gets "bent" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrominance))

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>>7746728
>>7746750
Not him and that was an obvious shitpost, but he's right about RGB. We are two decades removed from the 90s and in that time people have played emulators more and longer than anyone did in the 90s and have gotten used to the raw pixel look.

But it's wrong, and anyone with original hardware that hasn't fallen for the RGB meme should instantly be able to recognize that raw pixels look wrong and worse. It's the same misinformed autistic debacle we spent 20 years on making people understand the correct aspect ratios because they where more used to emulators, let alone just getting them to stop stretching games to fucking 16:9.

And all the composite filters currently on the MiSTer are complete shit, they just square or blur pixel together in a way that looks nothing like what they are trying to emulate: https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status/1388380526067716096

I love my MiSTer, but the raw pixel look and crude shit filters does indeed give it an unmistakable emulator flavor, it's the only thing Pajsheet is partly right about.

>> No.7746805

>>7746798
>not falling for the rgb meme
I like you. First mister poster to talk some sense.

>> No.7746807

>>7746798
MiSTer isn't perfect, but it's the way forward for me. As you pointed out, emulation has been beset by the infinite amount of hardware configurations that are used to emulate. MiSTer consolidates everything into a much smaller set of hardware and now people are able to work at these issues with a smaller set of variables. Right now we are in the phase of porting systems to MiSTer, but at some point all of that will be done and people will go back and start to refine the code that is running it all and there will be a large amount of information available to hardware manufacturers making the addon boards in regards to what parts to use.

>> No.7746852

>>7746798
RGB is hardly the same as modern "raw pixels" on LCDs, though.

>>I love my MiSTer, but the raw pixel look and crude shit filters does indeed give it an unmistakable emulator flavor, it's the only thing Pajsheet is partly right about.
I legitimately don't understand this argument. Mega Drive puts out RGB "raw pixels" natively. Were PAL kids who happened to own a half decent cable experiencing the Mega Drive with "emulator flavor" back in the early 90s?

I can understand having complaints about the filters, personally I find the composite filter fine for what it's supposed to do, which is blend effects in a few games that were built around them. I'm sure any autist could go in and improve the way they're drawn to emulate that rainbow banding effect like real composite, but I don't think it's high on many people's priority list, especially given it's only even useful for a few Mega Drive titles. That dude spends a few posts sperging out and then at the end goes "oh wait I like the way the filter looks on my consumer TV". It's very much personal preference in a lot of cases.

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>>7746852
Not him, but I kinda agree with the original dude.
I use my MiSTer with a CRT but that CRT will die one day. In anticipation of that day, and new/er technology like OLED and micro LED, it wouldn't be bad if (even if over time) we got some more in-depth filter and blending options like CRTroyale for retroarch to better recreate the look of how games appeared.

>> No.7747027
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>>7746852
>I legitimately don't understand
If the fucking photographic illustration in the post you were responding to somehow miraculously still perplexed, then please listen as I will explain as succinct as possible what's already been said ad nauseam and has been common knowledge for everyone for decades not on the autism spectrum:

- No kid in the 90s, PAL or otherwise, played their video games using RGB cables.
- Most people where using RF and not even composite.
- Raw pixels where made and designed to be stretched and filtered through analog processing.
- Most games we played then and today where made in NTSC countries and for that video standard.
- "b-b-but it's RGB capable" that does not mean it was made for that as the standard, again, no one in NTSC regions had TV's capable of regularly displaying RGB so it proves absolutely nothing.

>RGB is hardly the same as modern "raw pixels" on LCDs
A good RGB signal/cable through an OSSC line-doubler to a LCD/OLED/Plasma display looks practically the same as an emulator as it has no discernible artifacts and the image is very sharp, you would know this is you knew what the fuck you where talking about.

>it's very much personal preference
We are talking about video signals and how things were intended and designed to be represented here, it's about facts and not some autists "personal preference".

Now screen cap this post, print it out and hang it on your fucking wall, read it every day until you finally understand and stop being a fucking retard. I hope yours was a shitpost, if not you should legitimately KYS.

>in before NTSC-J and pictures of obscure RGB cables no one used gets posted

>> No.7747153

Wtf Saturn core seems almost done, I don't know how he is able to give such a precise percentage about what is written but since this guy already worked on many cores and is legit, I can trust he is progressing this fast.

Still I'm going to wait until he shows a demo of a game running on the core before jumping to the conclusion we will get it this year.

https://twitter.com/srg320_/status/1392013635212435457

>> No.7747157

>>7747027
>A good RGB signal/cable through an OSSC line-doubler to a LCD/OLED/Plasma display looks practically the same as an emulator

Yeah, I never got this either.

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>>7747153
Hey, whatever gets us more Puzzle Bobble.

>> No.7747164

Personally I like a little composite noise. If you're chasing the absolute sharpest pixels, I think you're kind of defeating the point personally.

>> No.7747173

>>7747153
Rad. I might finally play Panzer Dragoon Saga.

>> No.7747579

>>7747027
>No kid in the 90s, PAL or otherwise, played their video games using RGB cables.
Sure they did. They were hardly a rarity, every TV supported them.

>>Raw pixels where made and designed to be stretched and filtered through analog processing.
It's "were", and all of that same "analog processing" exists through RGB. The only difference is that you get a clear output without blatant noise and crosstalk.

What's especially sad is that your argument really only applies to Mega Drive. Composite was a poor video source, but the MD had a particularly atrocious video signal through both RF and composite, if you compare it to PC Engine and SNES it's really night and day.

>>A good RGB signal/cable through an OSSC line-doubler to a LCD/OLED/Plasma display looks practically the same as an emulator
Sure, but RGB on a CRT doesn't look like an emulator. What you've done is taken a few games where the limitation of the picture quality was taken into account during development, and you're acting like this is some big "gotcha" for RGB users.

Even if we pretend nobody used RGB, even if we pretend games weren't developed on RGB hardware or tested on professional sets, the mere existence of fucking arcades destroys your whole argument. The arcade was what games were meant to look like.

>> No.7747631 [DELETED] 

>>7745580
Your response from earlier seems to indicate that you are indeed triggered by my comment when I called the MiSTer "trash". It's not my fault that you get upset when other people have a different opinion than you that you feel the need to defend a device you wasted $350 on.

>>7746542
I'm 33.

>> No.7747745

>>7746615
>I bought a legit looking cheapo cable too, maybe it's a fake. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001O8C6HM/
That's the monoprice component cable most people use with MiSTer. I personally use it with my MiSTer and my Analogue NT Noir and haven't had any issues.. except when I was first setting up the MiSTer I had to go somewhere to change the sync setting to get them to work? That was kinda confusing but I think you're past that point.

The component video output from MiSTer using the Genesis core and these cables, to my eyes, looks identical to the video from an original original Genesis and HD retrovision cables.

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>>7747579
...Just wow.

>RGB
>every TV supported them
Not NTSC ones, you know the region these games where made and the markets they initially where made for.
Be honest, how many kids in the 90s did you personally know that used RGB cables for their SNES, Genesis or AES? If your answer is anything other than "none" there is a 99.99999% you are full of shit.

>luma/chroma blending crosstalk exists in RGB
>heh no wait, now let me claim it completely doesn't in the very next sentence
>claiming PC Engine had any marginally better composite signal than the Genesis
You have no fucking clue about any of this.

>only a very few games accounted for the video standard, regional TV input limitations and cables the system fucking came with in their design
>only the Mega Drive had dithering/checkerboarding patterns
You can't seriously believe this, let alone expect neurotypical mental functioning individuals to follow this retarded narrative you've concocted?

>the mere existence of fucking arcades destroys your whole argument
>the arcade was what games were meant to look like
And there it is, what removes any shadow of a doubt, that you must either be in the double digits IQ wise, severely on the autism spectrum or 10 years old, possibly a combination of all. It proves you have no fucking clue what so ever and lack the basic mental faculties to ever acquire an understanding. Simply put, and I mean we all can agree this is the honest generally observable and objective truth at this point, you sir are a fucking retard.

For anyone else reading this, I suggest you take a look at the pictures in these links if you're curios about the effect of the analog processing the raw pixels go through on the real hardware they were designed for:
https://twitter.com/crtpixels?lang=en
https://twitter.com/ruuupu1

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RGB vs Comp is such a dumb fucking debate because it isn't something that's 100 percent one side or another. Genesis devs have talked about accounting for the shitty composite quality of the system but were also jealous of PC-Engine having a cleaner signal. Neo Geo games ran on RGB arcade CRTs before the composite TVs did with an AES. The truth is the pixel art decisions were made on a case by case basis either intentionally or unintentionally and there's no correct answer. Some of them were working on PVMs and left it at that. Some of them did account for a composite TV and changed sprites accordingly.
I can see the argument to be made between raw ass pixels versus CRT, but the image quality differences between cables on the CRT is too much of a grey area for me to give a shit one way or another. The only thing it's good for is to derail a thread, and that's all I see it as now.

>> No.7748071

>>7747851
Point is:
- Most people use the MiSTer on flat panel displays.
- Most people who played the original systems did so via composite and RF until recently with the RGB mod craze (don't even start with the PAL RGB fantasy scenario, I was there and no one used anything other than RF, composite SCART/RCA and VGA for their respective systems).
- The MiSTer at current point does a real shit job at recreating that look in any believable way, worse than any emulator available today or even Blargg's filters from the late 90s.
- That raw and crude emulator look does not gel well with the idea that FPGAs offer a accurate and authentic representation of the original experience.
- Pretending all this is not true and acceptable is naturally going to be divisive and piss a lot of people off.

The MiSTer, and other FPGAs, as it stands now are only half way there, we need better implementation of the analog part of the systems, be this by expansion boards or better core filters. It just isn't cutting it with those not onboard with the RGB-all-the-things meme (which is more than some, perhaps with commercial motives, will have you aggressively believe).

>> No.7748478

>>7748071
I've seen a lot of spergs in my day, but man, sperging out about how these games were meant to look like shit because THAT'S HOW I PLAYED THEM AS A KID is just embarrassing. What's next, do you listen to all your music on vinyl because it reminds you of happier times?

I should really just stop replying, you're actively mentally ill and I honestly prefer that one dude who just makes zero effort "mister bad because my pi can emulate dreamcast" posts.

You might as well argue that the MiSTer sucks because it doesn't come with little mini console shells you can clip over it so you can pretend you're really playing your Mega Drive when you were 8 in your childhood room. And how it doesn't have any sweet posters you can stick up for capri sun and lunchables because only 90s kids will understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWHNVwxJEeU

>> No.7748576

>>7748478
>valid arguments against composite?
>valid argument for RGB/raw pixels?
>none

>cringe aspie fit that completely miss the mark?
>the whole fucking post

>> No.7748590

>>7748478
>about how these games were meant to look like shit because THAT'S HOW I PLAYED THEM AS A KID is just embarrassing.
They don't even look like shit though. I'm the pi dude you mentioned. I just find it funny that people talk about mister as the most accurate emulator around and unlike the pi it hooks up to a crt but it seems a good half of the thread actually wants to play them on an LCD and they want an experience that is actually superior to the "accuracy" they brag about.

>> No.7748654

>>7747153
What the hell.

>> No.7748665

>>7746697
The audio is fucking trash, for one.

>> No.7748761

Has anyone seen that there's a new SVI-328 core? The 328 is the precursor to MSX systems.

>> No.7749454

>>7748761
yeah but its pretty useless for games

>> No.7749465

>Savestates added to NES core
Excellent.
Just a matter of time now until we get rewind.

>> No.7749491

>>7749465
Never ever shitter. Git gud.

>> No.7749704

I'm personally waiting for the future when someone starts genuinely saying that 16:9 stretched is how retro games were meant to be played, that'll be fun to listen to

>> No.7749769

Uh, bros? I've had mine for a few days now and am still enjoying it, when do I begin to hate it and regret my decision?

>> No.7749790

>>7749769
I'm pretty sure only 3 people who've ever been in this thread actually have one and the rest are either shitting on it or like it in concept

>> No.7749853

>>7749465
prob not. FPGAzumspass said something about rewind not being feasible on NES

>> No.7749975

>>7732472
>>7736298
Why do you comment on products you obviously have never used?

>> No.7750401 [DELETED] 

>>7726778
What the fuck is wrong with my pcsx2? Pic rel is fatal frame 3.

>> No.7750403

>>7750401
I think you should try plugging your monitor in mate.

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>>7726778
What the fuck is wrong with my pcsx2? Pic rel is fatal frame 3.

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>>7749465
Genesis save states when

>> No.7750497
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I bought an 8bitdo Zero not realising just how small the fucker was. At first I was a bit dismayed because it's not as comfortable as a full sized controller, though honestly that's probably a good thing because I use it in bed with my tablet that's on a clamp stand overhanging my bed, and a tiny controller doesn't feel awkward to use under bed sheets. Then it hit me.

>I CAN USE THIS THING ONE HANDED BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL

So now I'm emulating all kinds of turn-based games on my tablet and playing them one sided in MAXIMUM comfy. Feels good not having tiny baby hands.

>> No.7750521

>>7750414
Fucking hell, Prince of Persia on the Master System had a six alphabetical character password system that took into account the stage, time remaining and total health units. Why is this one so complex?

>> No.7750523

>>7750497
>i'm emulating all kinds of turn-based games on my tablet
This is /FPGA/ and you just made us hate Retrobit and should be fired.
Fuck off lazy astroturf faggot.

>> No.7750527

>>7750523
>*8bitdo*

>> No.7750576

>>7750521
It's a point and click scooby doo adventure game that probably saves positional data as well. Reaks of having internal saves ripped out at the final hour.

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>>7750497
Now get one of these.

>> No.7750853

>>7750576
Ah okay, I was expecting it to be a bog standard platformer

>> No.7751193

Well guys I pulled the trigger. That's right, I bought myself a hacked PS1 mini. Not only does it do PS1 emulation, but I can also emulate MAME, SNES, Genesis and other consoles. It's fucking sweet!

>> No.7751294

>>7751193
enjoy your lag

>> No.7751305

>>7751193
You would have been better off buying a pi 4 you can play dreamcast and saturn on that.

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>>7751193
Should've gotten a raspberry pie.

>> No.7751595

>>7751294
>enjoy your lag
What lag? I don't ever notice lag, even if it were off by a few seconds, I still wouldn't notice it anytime I play my PS1 mini.

>>7751305
>>7751506
Probably, but I got my PS1 mini for cheap, I couldn't resist.

>> No.7751612

>>7751595
aight

>> No.7751742

>>7751595
>I don't ever notice lag,
The absolute state of zoomers.

>> No.7751758

>>7751193
Based af.

>>7751294
Total meme. You fags are worse than vinyl collectors.

>> No.7751763

>>7748665
How are you going to argue with my ears, Jew? I have both and I have a surround sound set up.

>> No.7751773

>>7751758
>cope

>> No.7751779

>PS1 mini
>good
The state of this idiots

>> No.7751783

>>7751758
Just because you just barely made it to double digit IQ doesn't mean that the rest of us are there. For those of us capable of basic cognition we see the lag and want to eliminate it.

>> No.7751861

how about you fucks stay on topic?

>> No.7751902

Rate my case.

>> No.7751909

>>7751783
For those of us with consoles AND emulators we know you're full of shit and you sound exactly like a fart sniffing record collector bragging about 0.2 db deeper bass and the "warmth" of analogue when the set up he's using is going to sound the same no matter what input he has.

>> No.7751948

>>7751742
t. Seething boomer

>>7751758
Indeed.

>>7751779
>Anyone who likes PS1 mini is bad
The state of boomcels

>> No.7752073

>>7751742
Lol... they don't get it. They refuse. Anyone with eyes and a brain knows that mister has no input lag, and NO, it doesn't matter what screen you connect it to. I guess you'd have to be basically retarded though to not be able to raise $200 for a flawless emulation experience, so what else can you expect.

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>>7752073
I love the people that say if you don't use CRT or use wireless controllers you're negating the usefulness of a mister. Like nah bitch. When you remove emulation lag, you can throw tons of other minimal lag in and have the best of both worlds.

>> No.7752180

>>7752073
They were born in the lag, molded by it.

>> No.7752217
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Listen up you zoomer fucks, I've been playing these games for 30 years. I've played original hardware on every screen known to man. I've played on all the emulators. I've played the minis, the pis & the clones. Nothing comes close to MiSTer. There's something off with every other way of playing these games and the MiSTer just magically doesn't suffer from it. Yes bro, pure fucking unfathomable wizardry. You can tell yourself I'm wrong, but you wouldn't even begin to know what you are talking about, because you weren't there. It sucks to be you and not know what you don't know, but that's your problem. My problem is do I play SNES or Neo Geo with flawless accuracy and ZERO lag tonight. I'm leaning toward SNES.

>> No.7752256

>>7752217
Cool, I’ll be playing ps1 games on my 10 year old MacBook.

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>>7752217
They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>> No.7752278

>>7752217
What snes game my dude?

>> No.7752291

>>7752278
100% Metroid.

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>>7752217
Based ultrachad poster.

>> No.7752803

>>7752217
Translation:
>Please buy this meme machine. I am trying so hard to sell it. It makes me seethe when you guys buy a mini or build a pi instead. It really hurts my feelings. My wife left me. Please buy my MiSTer, please oh please!

>> No.7752815

Wiis are good too

>> No.7752913

>>7752217
Based.

>> No.7752915

>>7752152
But that's fucking retarded. Most bluetooth controllers are 2ms on Windows while they are full 16ms on MiSTer or even more. You're literally making MiSTer lag more than Retroarch with run ahead.

>> No.7752935

>>7752217
>There's something off with every other way of playing these games and the MiSTer just magically doesn't suffer from it.

That's because real hardware will often have video noise and interference even with RGB due to dying capacitors and other things, and software emulation is garbage.

>> No.7752943

>>7752217
New pasta? Neat!

>> No.7752948

>>7752803
Keep projecting lmao

>> No.7752974

>>7752803
Nobody cares if you buy it. This apple I'm eating is fucking tasty, tastiest fucking apple I've ever eaten. Bought it at the fruit store. Doesn't mean I'm selling apples.

>> No.7752986

>>7752974
You wrote your own testimonial in a shill thread for a product over 200$ fuck off

>> No.7753021

>>7726778
Can you trap ghosts with this?

>> No.7753041

>>7752948
Projecting? I'm not selling anything, and I have never been married. Seethe harder, MiSTer shill.

>>7752974
Anybody can buy apples from a fruit store, they're cheap. No one wants to buy your MiSTer for $350 to emulate old games.

>> No.7753720
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Had a great time playing Super Metroid last night guys and thanks to my ZERO lag set up, nailed every single wall jump.

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>>7753720
>nailed every single wall jump.
>wall jump

What the fuck is this kid talking about?

>> No.7753792

>>7753771
Ah, your awake and doing the rounds on /vr/ I see, well please feel free to KYS.

>> No.7753817

>>7753771
You never realised Super Metroid had wall jump mechanics?

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>>7753792
>>7753817

Just noticed I have read Super Mario instead Super Metroid.

Not the shit poster but still a bit dumb for misreading.

>> No.7753852

>>7753834
Fair enough since you had the decency to admit.

>> No.7753859
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I dont give a shit about lag or mister
i just want to play retro vidya in peace

and if other people are happy with, also original consoles had input lag based on regions, muttland had it worse while BR pal-M, yurop and Japan had none of it.

>> No.7753909

>>7753771
He's just spewing nonsense, trying to sell his MiSTer device. Anyone can nail every single wall jump on Super Metroid via emulation on PC/PSP/SNES Mini. I do it all the time on my SNES mini with no issues, since Super Metroid is my favorite game.

>> No.7753962

>>7753909
>since Super Metroid is my favorite game
Post timestamped save file screen, larper.

>> No.7754014

finally got my mister add on pack in the mail, set it all up, downloading CD games now, gee willikers am I having fun

What's the ETA on PS1? is CPS1 out yet? I don't see it on my MiSTer

>> No.7754068

>>7753909
Yeah If you adjust your retard brain to press the Button early to compensate for 4 frames of lag It works. Doesn't mean it's good.

>> No.7754093

>>7754014
>What's the ETA on PS1?
Currently in limbo, the news story is still under development.
>is CPS1 out yet? I don't see it on my MiSTer
Came out months ago. Use "update_all" script (not "update" script) to grab cores made by Jotego. He keeps his cores separately from the official set.

>> No.7754127

>>7754068
Yes people can compensate to a certain degree and attempt to cope with the sluggishness that way, but I know he's full of shit when he says he nails wall jumps every time because the input lag on the SNES mini is VARIABLE and the emulation itself to the core isn't keeping stable and accurate timings, so this retard would have to be psychic to pull that off with absolute consistency.

>> No.7754201

>>7754068
>>7754127
>4 frames of lag
>input lag
You guys sound like faggots. LOL Not him, but I have no issues with pulling off any moves with my SNES mini on any of the games and I suck at predicting things. 1 nanosecond of input "lag" from "4 frames" isn't going to affect my performance.

>> No.7754309

>>7754093
I've got these CD files, do I keep them zipped? do I put them in a folder and load the cue?

>> No.7754323

>>7754309
If they are in BIN/CUE or ISO/WAV/CUE format, unzip them in a folder. When you select that folder it will automatically load .cue file without asking. I heard that you can keep archived files on MiSTer but I never do that.

>> No.7754506

>>7754201
High level Metroid strats require single frame accuracy. SNES mini is basically unplayable.

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>>7754309
>bloody n00bie tricked into getting a mister
lmao, like a toddler with a knife

>> No.7754516

Fuck it, one of these file hosters has to not be cancer.
https://gofile.io/d/6INqUn
https://zupload.me/b27f057b56d44cb6
https://ufile.io/51ets93t
https://www65.zippyshare.com/v/IpCnlgu2/file.html

>> No.7754529

If you're getting CD games now, get CHDs instead of bin cue. Tales up wya less space. If you already have bin cue, you should really look at converting them with chdman.

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>>7754516

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>>7754516
Thx fren <3

>> No.7754582

>>7754506
Fake news. Nice try MiSTer shill.

>> No.7754669

>>7754516
>The dumb fucking pause with credits aren't bound by default
thank god, I hate that shit

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>>7754582
https://wiki.supermetroid.run/General_Movement

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>>7754516
Thanks, based anon. Hope the public release comes out very soon.

>> No.7754916

>>7754323
CHD files are also compatible

>> No.7754930

>>7754780
Gishgalloping faggot, I just clicked four of those links and didn't see frame perfect in any of them, why don't you actually tell us which ones are frame perfect because I'm not going to click all of them. One of the techniques I saw also said it required TAS to pull off so you're not gonna pull it off either without cheats fag.

>> No.7754971

>>7754201
Literally 300% more laggy than real snes/MiSTer on top of using a shitty inaccurate emulator full of speedhacks made for garbage lowe end ARM processors. Cope as hard as you can, you're playing with trash.

>> No.7755045

>>7754971
https://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Canoe

>Compatibility is much lower than other available SNES emulators, as Canoe doesn't support all special chips. Accuracy seems to be much lower as well as it has issues with many games, including a glitch in one of the 21 games included with the SNES Classic Edition, and Canoe has numerous per-game patches baked into it.

>> No.7755106

>>7730897
>>7734828

He does whatever he wants since he's a genius and a funny one at that to

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>>7754930
>he doesn't know
>he expects to be spoon fed

What a casual.

>> No.7755173

>>7755136
Okay faggot you win because you posted 20 links and no explanation, congratulations.

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7755193

>>7755173
>one link
>it's searchable
>I win
>u mad

>> No.7755354

>>7754529
it's the age of 20TB-harddisk, who cares about a few GB saved?

>> No.7755525

>>7755354
I got the full sega cd, pc engine CD, saturn and playstation set on a 4 TB. Try to do that without CHDs

>> No.7755540

>>7755193
There are 31 hyperlinks in the link you posted and no description for each one besides a name you retard.

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7755623

>>7755540
That's your problem. Something else that is your problem is the fact I can cite over 20 examples of single frame accuracy mechanics whenever I get bored of toying with you and then point out that you proved you don't know what you are talking about hours ago.

>> No.7755646

>>7755623
I'm not even the dude you were talking to earlier, don't play Metroid, I checked your link out of curiosity and found nothing and you won't point to anything so I guess we're done here.

>> No.7755671

>>7755646
You were done hours ago. You can go now.

>> No.7756401

>>7754780
>>7754971
>blah blah blah muh accuracy is more important than losing my virginity blah blah
I can tell console minis makes ya seethe.

>> No.7756491

>>7756401
I can tell MiSTer makes you seethe since you post on these threads daily

>> No.7756508
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>>7754529
I am, it's just taking forever even with an i7.

>> No.7756542

>>7756401
>wah wah wah I was proven wrong yet again wah wah
Why would I seethe about you being a scrub? It's enitirely your problem, not mine.

>> No.7756660

I'm loving this no one used RGB back in the day talk, pretty much the whole grey import scene in the UK were using RGB. Once you saw it you felt sick going back to 50hz/RF.

>> No.7756804

>>7752217
Dude, it's true.. I honestly was worried that I might be gay when my wife left me, saying I needed to man up and stop wasting my time on video games like a fag. But then I got a mister and within days things changed. What she didn't realize was that I was dealing with so much lag that it was dragging down not just my Super Mario World experience, but our marriage too. It's like we were always 20ms out of sync with eachother. Once I convinced her to come over and see the accuracy I now posessed, she instantly submitted to me and we have renewed our commitment to eachother stronger than ever, and I can now never be cucked again. Feels good, man.

>> No.7756818

>>7734828
Uhh if it's different you realize that means you have a fucked up neo geo right.. Mister is 100% accurate. That means that every other way of playing games = BTFO. Imagine hoarding some old ass plastic and silicon from a jap company that couldn't even not go bankrupt, and talking like it's some kind of reference... lol, fucking morons.

>> No.7756865

>>7755525
But I don't need to, I'm not poor.

>> No.7756976
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7756976

Playing some games on an Emulator is like watching a Movie on a phone screen it works kinda, but sometimes you just wish to watch that movie on a bigger screen while getting comfy.

I don't really get why this threads always gets shit up by some people and other people keep replying to that shit.

I kinda understand why software people chimp out because its (((free))) for them, and they don't need to buy something else, but I guess they forget the price tag of their computer.
The group I really don't understand are the mini console/ARM SoC people most of these things are nice and still can play those games, but every low range Computer can outperform them.

I don't really know why people chimp out that hard about FPGA's. Just a tip to those people, if you ever have a chance to play on such a device give it a try.

>> No.7756992
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>>7756976
Here's an infographic I prepared earlier explaining the hate.

>> No.7757003

>>7756976
It's just because I've been forced to look at this thread for months, fuck it.

>> No.7757010

>>7757003
No need to thank me.

>> No.7757025
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>>7757003
Yeah, I am also forced to look at apple threads on /g/ and I am also forced to look at all those chink arm soc devices on /vr/ but who gives a shit.
It's not like these threads spam up the whole board like all those Brave Browser shills on /g/. So who gives a shit.

>> No.7757026

>>7734828
You sure about that ? Other people that compared with og hardware said it sounds the same

https://youtu.be/6-CLfs14BPg?t=291

Maybe it's specific game related ?

>> No.7757882

>>7757003
Just hide it or filter FPGA / MiSTer. It's not hard. Admit you're a faggot.

>> No.7757898

>>7756491
>>7756542
t. Seething MiSTer cucks unable to sell their shitty MEME Machine to Console Mini Chads like myself.

>> No.7757923

>>7756976
>but I guess they forget the price tag of their computer.

The price tag of my computer is able to perform at great lengths to deliver the latest games such as REmake 2, DOA6 and Batman Arkham Knight. Which the MiSTer obviously can't do because it was only made to emulate consoles up to 4th gen. Also the console minis are fun to hack, customize and they're collectible. I even have a custom cartridge that I've inserted into my Sega Genesis mini, which looks awesome.

>> No.7757927

>>7756804
Fakest story I've ever heard.

>> No.7758002

>>7757923
>The price tag of my computer is able to perform at great lengths to deliver the latest games such as...

Dude that's totally fine and great.
A Mobile phone can also do a lot of things that a TV's can't do but still some people like their TV's for watching videos like i like my emubox for emulating/simulating/whatever 4th gen consoles and arcade games.

For some people the ~300$ ish device is worth it like it is worth for you to buy a mini console that you like to tinker with.
It's like I said, some people just like to spend money on things others can't understand or don't see the value of it.

>> No.7758048

>>7756976
This website is plagued by trolls and bots.
I'm 38 and FPGA sounds great but since I have a high end PC and OLED, it's a side project. It's still a WIP. The idea is great but I'm not sure I could tell the difference between Retroarch + Run ahead + OLED or Mister + CRT or Wii + CRT. I can appreciate developments but there are diminishing returns.

>> No.7758229
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7758229

>be me
>35 year old virgin
>grotesquely overweight
>unclean, completely covered in my own feces
>only have mini consoles for /vr/
>constant use of savestates
>barely able to play the games
>hideous UI due to mismatched, missing cover arts

But one day...
>decide to try MiSTer, maybe it'll fill the gaping void in my life that's been there since birth
>able to beat games the intended way without savestates
>beautiful lag free image
>turn life around
>lose weight, stop shitting pants
>showered in women constantly begging for sex and to be player 2
>picrelated MFW I finally took the MiSTerPill

>> No.7758237

>>7756508
there are chd sets you can download on archive.org but that will be slow too

>> No.7758248

>>7758048
The difference is small, but I do believe FPGA will surpass software emulation in time. For me it's great having a low powered meme box that I can fire up when my workstation is busy and I could never enjoy a lot of the games I like on PC.

>> No.7758257

>>7758229
Another Chad joins the MiSTer gang.

>> No.7758295

>>7758248
that is the dream. It's just a matter of whether it is worth it at the moment. Many of the cores are a work in progress.

>> No.7758313

>>7758295
It is if you are into 3/4/5th gen.

>> No.7758329

>>7758313
Definitely. Sometimes I want to switch between Mega Man 3, Mario 64, and VOOT.

>> No.7758347

>>7758295

Most of the cores are pretty much finished.
>>7735501

>> No.7758390

>>7758229
Fake News

>> No.7758423

>>7758347
I heard NeoGeo was still fucked. No longer the case? Also, can I play Raiden DX or Fantasy Zone II: The Tears of Opa-Opa?

>> No.7758453

>>7758229
>stop shitting pants
Why would you do that?

>> No.7758547

>>7758423
What? No, NeoGeo is frame perfect and MD Fourier matching audio. SuperStar status.

>> No.7758563

>>7758453
Man, I don't know. It just happened. It's out of my hands and in the MiSTer's omnipotent control now. And I can't go back.

>> No.7758668

How hard is it to configure controllers on mister when you switch between controllers or go from wired to Bluetooth? I hate retroarch for that it always messes things up.

>> No.7758676

>>7758668
I only use Wired controllers, but MiSTer saves a profile for each controller you have and switching between them is as natural as a real console.

>> No.7758751

>>7758676
Does it also mean you can have USB ports assigned as player 1, player 2, etc like a real console?

>> No.7758762

>>7758751
No, from my experience, it assigns players based on button press order. If you turn on your MiSTer with 4 controllers plugged in, first controller to press a button is Player 1, second is Player 2, and so on and so forth.

>> No.7758840

>>7726778
Can some one sell me on this thing? What's the point when I can PC emulate

>> No.7758850

>>7758762
That's pretty smart design though. I can't believe how bad retroarch is

>> No.7758860
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>>7756804
>Getting cucked once
>Claiming you'll never be cucked again.
If a woman cucks you once you will always be a cuck.
>>7758453
Dangerously based.

>> No.7758924

>>7758850
I was surprised how much better it was too. It works much better with multiple controllers pluggged in than a pi with retropi ever did for me.

>> No.7758928

>>7758850
Yeah, it's great design. I wish Retroarch would adopt some of that. You plug in your controller on MiSTer, configure buttons for it and you never have to worry about setting up controllers anymore.

>> No.7758942

>>7758850
Switching controllers on the fly is as easy as unplugging and plugging, I was testing controller input lag and was able to just swap between 4 controllers freely and everything was just seamless - Retroarch would freak out if I did the same.

>> No.7758953

>>7758942
You don't need to unplug your controllers on the Mister. I have 3 wired controllers (hori pokken pad, usb NES controller and a hori RAP3) and a wireless M30. Mister automatically sets the controller I start the game with as player1.

>> No.7758998

>>7758953
I had the game running though, so I needed to. Although you could just reboot the core and you wouldn't need to unplug anything?

>> No.7759036

>>7758237
I'll be done in like a week; it's not really urgent either, given the delay with the PS1 core.
And honestly I barely play PC games these days- this is the first time I've gotten genuine use out of my CPU.

>> No.7759479

>>7758998
>Although you could just reboot the core and you wouldn't need to unplug anything?
yes
from the wiki
Up to 6 player controllers are supported (depending on core):

-After a core starts, press a button on any connected controller to make it the P1 gamepad/joystick
-Press a button on a second controller to make it the P2 joystick (if supported by core)
-Keep going for assigning P3, P4, etc.
-To remap, just clear all assignments by restarting the core.

>> No.7759487

>>7759479
Some cores also have an option in the menu to reset player assignment without resetting the core itself. In the SNES core for example it's hidden on the second options page.

>> No.7759648

>>7756818
>Mister is 100% accurate
well, theres some very minor sound issues that furrtek needs to fix but other than that, yes.

>> No.7760310

Anyone else get kind of excited sexually from playing roms on a mister? idk it's just like.. when the roms are playing so tight, and responsive, it's like I've become one with the rom.. it's an act of intimacy. I get really horny... it's something I never felt before.

>> No.7760319

>>7760310
based

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>>7758840
>>7746694
Dude don't mess with my Wii setup!

>> No.7760501
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>>7746694
Dude don't mess with my Wii setup!

>> No.7760941

>>7758924
I tested more than 15 different controllers, wired/wireless and not a single issue to report, only the retro bit saturn controller with the 2.4 ghz dongle had some disconnect issues which I solved with a firmware update from the retro bit website ( and I recommend all of you with the same controller to do it ).
Even my Qanba arcade stick worked on it, I've never seen a single device that accepted as many controller as this one without any hassle, you just plug, assign buttons and you are done.

>> No.7761121

>>7760941
Had the same disconnection issue with my SNES30 pad, but It was on all devjces and not just MiSTer. Had to update firmware, which sucks since It loses the ability to connect with Wii/WiiU.

8bitdo's Gbros adapter which I use for the SNES classic controller also won't work on any kind of Hub for me. Just works plugged directly to the OTG cable.

>> No.7761293

>>7755623
Fuck you jesus

>> No.7761402

>>7760310
Gay

>> No.7761640

>>7760501
Dude, the black edges are KILLING ME! Could you PLEASE stretch the image to fill the screen all the way to the bezel, holy shit. Have some decency.

>> No.7763096

>>7726778
can this thing do cps2 yet because if not I'm not getting ir

>> No.7763472

>>7763096
>>7754516

>> No.7763785
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>update_all
Man, I didn't realise how much shit I didn't have.
Pretty cool that it grabs the arcade stuff too. Like, when I updated my MiSTer normally for the first time I saw Tower of Druaga in the update list and I've been meaning to give that a go since I saw the anime like a decade ago, but I'm too dumb for MAME. This means I can finally give it a go.

>> No.7764613
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Not sure if this is a good place to ask. I'm trying to run some games in Beetle (retroarch) and I get picrelated. I'm not sure which settings cause this. I set a bunch of settings, then I play the game and it looks fine and then after I turn retroarch off and then come back it looks like this (resetting stuff to default fixes this). This particular picrelated only appeared after I applied a crt filter. Wtf is this?

>> No.7765031

>>7764613
Looks like the problem is you are using Retroarch like a retard. Now fuck off and don't come back with this emulation nonsense.

>> No.7765264

>asking about retroarch in a fpga/mister-thread
LMAO

LMAO

>> No.7765345

>>7765264
Nobody knows what fpga is and the thread is called console emulation

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>>7765345
>Nobody knows what fpga is
>Nobody

Better look it up next time so at least (You) know what an FPGA is.

>> No.7765875

>>7765345
considering you were the only idiot asking about retroarch in this thread in almost two weeks...

>> No.7766849

>>7760501
Is that just SM64 ported to Wii? How's it run? I patched the VC rom to run at 60 fps and it runs great on Wii.

>> No.7768216
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>my cores somehow got stuck in tate mode

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>>7761640
Even more annoying than that is curved displays.

>> No.7768735

I want to use a PSTV for my CRT to play some ps1 and SNES. Is that a good is that a good idea? is it possible to descale to 240p?

>> No.7768784

>>7768735
No just buy a MiSTer.

>> No.7768858

>>7768735
No, just get a modded PS1 and an Everdrive cartridge for the SNES.

>>7768784
t. MiSTer Shill

>> No.7769308

>>7768858
Enjoy your burned laser and video noise.

>> No.7769517

>>7750497
>I CAN USE THIS THING ONE HANDED BECAUSE IT'S SO SMALL
your dick is going to fall off anon

>> No.7769662

i used a raspbury pi 4 with lakka to emulate but now that i have a pc that isn't older than this site i want to move all my save files and shit to it to keep playing my old games but i've no idea where they're stored. help me out bros.

>> No.7769716 [DELETED] 

>>7769662
Have you checked under your dildo collection? I bet you left them there.

>> No.7769750 [DELETED] 

>>7769716
nope, not under any of my programming socks either

>> No.7769891

>>7769308
>Has never heard of an ODE
>Doesn't have a CRT capable of producing great quality sound.
>Probably uses a VCR.
t. Seething idiotic MiSTer shill

>> No.7769908
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7769908

I like MiSTer and I use real hardware usually when there isn't a core for something. I recently got addicted to playing Pokemon Pinball R&S.

>> No.7769923

>>7769908
Can't wait for those cases to go bakc on sale. Tired of raw dogging it.

>> No.7769931

>>7769923
It's pretty great, I like that I can pick it up like a brick and not worry too much. Shit gets hot though.

>> No.7769983

>>7769891
He's referring to jailbars/the white line issue with the SNES.

>> No.7770530

>>7769908
Does rumble work?

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Fuck does anyone have advice on fixing core burnin? I fell asleep playing NES and it ran overnight, now I'm having issues with every core I've tested except NES and SMS.

>> No.7770592 [DELETED] 

>>7770569
>core burnin?
the tard is back

>> No.7770645

>>7770530
Nah. I checked on the forum and apparently rumble support is actually finished on the GBA side but he doesn't know how to link it up with the MiSTer framework. Do any MiSTer cores have rumble? I never actually thought about this.

>> No.7771083

>>7770645
I think either the MiSTer framework doesn't have rumble support enabled for the linux gamepads or nobody can be bothered to configure it with the core.

>> No.7771393

>rumble
Pardon me for being retarded, but I thought the N64 was the first console with rumble?

>> No.7772443

>>7771393
GBA had games that supported it through the Game Boy Player. Whenever the Playstation core finally gets released that would be another console that supported it. It does make sense that it's a low priority thing to make support for but it'd be nice to at least add for PSX.

>> No.7772510

>>7764613
this is not a good place to ask, fuck yourself retroarch using faggot

>> No.7772663

>>7771393
Last time I checked N64 was released before the GBA, so I have no idea why you felt the need to make this statement.

>> No.7772896

>>7769908
Based richfag

>> No.7772902

>>7769891
>ODE
So FPGA emulation of the disc drive. They're expensive too. Once MiSTer gets PS1 and Saturn it'll be a much better deal.

>> No.7773016

>>7772902
Not if you already own consoles and don't want them to become a paperweight. Hence why it's necessary for console collectors to own and use an ODE.

>> No.7773036

>>7773016
Keep your consoles intact and play original games on them. Run ISOs on MiSTer. Problem solved.

>> No.7773101

>>7773036
MiSTer can't run my Saturn, PS1 or Dreamcast.

>> No.7773284

>>7773101
Saturn and PS1 are coming. Saturn is almost done in fact.

>> No.7773481

>>7754506
>High level Metroid strats
Okay but what about just normal play for people who aren't speed running faggots.

>> No.7773569

>>7773481
It still feels like shit playing with lag.

>> No.7773605

>>7726778
Can this soulless piece of shit emulate good consoles now?

>> No.7773752

>>7773605
It has a lot of soul.

>> No.7773972

>>7773752
It has no soul. The console minis on the other hand has soul.

>> No.7773985

>>7773972
A lot of people poured their love for retro games project for enjoyment and preservation. It is pretty soulful.

>> No.7773995

>>7773284
Well I'm able to play them now without a MiSTer, thanks to my ODE's.

>> No.7775057

>>7773972
>The console minis on the other hand has soul.
Well, i wrote an insult but decided to edit it instead to ask if you were really genuine? A loving, accurate, recreation of the original hardweare via FPGA wasn't what you were after? You wanted nasty, buggy, limited, locked-down, cheap, plasticky corporate experience? With the exception of the SNES mini controllers, those mini consoles are utter garbage.

>> No.7775395

>>7773972
>The console minis on the other hand has soul.
Inaccurate emulators that are no better than a pi have soul? I want some of the crack that you are smoking.

>> No.7775402

>>7775057
A box that emulates multiple consoles and charging $350 for it is still soulless. There's nothing "nasty, buggy, limited" about the console minis, unless you're trying to play a hacked version of it and hate the fact that you can't play light gun games with it, that's your problem. "locked-down"? Nope, these consoles are easy to hack. There's nothing wrong with the console minis being cheaper than the MiSTer. Low prices matter. There's also nothing wrong with plastic or the fact that the console minis are official devices. The mini consoles are certainly not garbage. Also the SNES mini controllers can't plug into your PC. Other mini controllers can because unlike Nintendo, the other consoles don't have a stick up their ass when it comes to having USB controllers. I love the accurate recreations of these mini consoles, that's what makes them valuable.

>> No.7775473

>>7775402
So they're not buggy unless you hack them, but then you'll want to hack them because it's easy and it allows you to play the games with bugs aplenty. Got it. The SNES Classic 'Canoe' emulator is known to be fucking trash. Just an official but innacurate HLE which happens to have issues with even the games that came built in as standard (Yoshi's Island background layers for one thing) >>7755045

Give me the exceptional MiSTer FPGA cores any day over cash-in mini consoles running on underpowered ARM SBCs. The irony is now that the SNES/NES Classics are out of production they'd cost you as much as for a basic MiSTer setup anyway.

>> No.7775546

>>7775473
I didn't experience any bugs with the games I downloaded.

>> No.7775640

>>7775402
> unless you're trying to play a hacked version of it and hate

> "locked-down"? Nope, these consoles are easy to hack

So which is it, you fucking retarded gorilla nigger?

>> No.7775661

You fucking faggots will argue over anything.

>> No.7775746

>>7747027
>No kid in the 90s, PAL or otherwise, played their video games using RGB cables.

This is just a case of "MUH MURICA". You are all retarded and it's not even your fault. You are the same people that, when asked about the location of other countries on a world map, will "jokingly" respond that USA is the only country that matters. You cannot help it, this is what you're taught.

>> No.7775756

>>7747787
you fucking jingoistic piece of shit, japanese TVs had RGB support all the fucking time

>> No.7775757

>>7775640
Two things can be true at once you dumb tranny.

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>>7775757
Just another normalfag who only cares about how cheap and accessible something is. Doesn't matter how shit the implementation is, as long as it has the fascade of the thing they're nostalgic for for the next 25 minutes.

Us FPGAChads actually care about our games and are willing to pay a little extra for an optimum product. And if we're that obsessed with aesthetics we can stick it in a SNES case as well. Your whole case just revolves around the fact that you're too cheap and lazy for anything other than some shabby spoonfed nostalgia hit that you probably never even took out of the box to play in the first place.

The utilitarian nature of the MiSTer means it's not bogged down by pointless aesthetics and isn't snapped up by collectorfags looking to have a shelfwarmer that reminds them of when they used to play games. Sorry miniconsolefags but you're just BTFO.

>> No.7775958

What Japanese think of Mister?

>> No.7775971
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Interesting

>> No.7775982

>>7775935
>FPGAChads
You misspelled FPAGAYS. Also there's nothing wrong with the console minis. You're just upset over the fact that people choose console minis over your shitbox emulator that people don't need to waste money on when they got a PC to emulate with instead.

>> No.7776036

>>7775982
>Also there's nothing wrong with the console minis
If you're a HLE pleb

>> No.7776217

>>7775757
>it's shit because you're using a hacked version to inject non-curated games
>but you have to hack it since you can't play more games

So it's just shit.

>> No.7776219

>>7775661
Jokes on you we argue about the same shit everyday