/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.7726501]

Just came in :)

[Anonymous No.7726516]

>>7726501
Is that retro?

[Anonymous No.7726542]

>>7726516
Are you new? Yes, retro video game scalers are germane to the subject matter of this board. Not a week goes by that we don't have a thread about them.

[Anonymous No.7726548]

>>7726516
It says retro right there.

[Anonymous No.7726627]

>>7726501
gaymer moment

[Anonymous No.7726640]

And I just came

[Anonymous No.7726765]

How does it compare to the OSSC though? is it worth upgrading?

[Anonymous No.7726769]

>>7726516
says retro right on the box you retarded faggot

[Anonymous No.7726770]

>>7726501
this isn't leddit, nobody cares about your haul
you will NOT get upvotes
you will NOT get gold
you will NOT get likes
you will NOT get subscriptions
you will NOT get promoted

[Anonymous No.7726783]

>>7726501
If you're using HDRetrovision, be sure to turn off the LPF in the menu.

[Anonymous No.7726847]

>>7726501
>buying a scaler instead of a line doubler

[Anonymous No.7726859]

>>7726501
Fag

[Anonymous No.7726864]

>>7726770
The only currency we have are (you)'s. Maybe he just wants to share and that's it. Let the kid enjoy himself.

[Anonymous No.7727015]

>>7726501
Did you have to suck Mike's dick and fuck his wife to get it?

[Anonymous No.7727024]

>>7726847
Can you recommend a line doubler?
Do they work well with VHS?

[Anonymous No.7727028]

If it doesn’t take RF I don’t want it. Fuck off with your faggy gadgetry.

[Anonymous No.7727083]

>>7726501
You spend HOW MUCH?!!

[Anonymous No.7727095]

>>7726501
>advertising or begging
Learn the rules, Chinaman.

[Anonymous No.7727107]

>>7727024
Retrochink 2x, yes.

[Anonymous No.7727149]

>>7726501
Why don't you have the audio cables connected? What the hell is wrong with you

You clearly don't know what you're doing and it would really be best for everyone if I just take this thing off your hands.

[Anonymous No.7727168]

>>7726783
On the OSSC the general advice was to always leave the LPF on, regardless of the source. In some cases it would help the OSSC hold on to the video sync of the source, which may be less of a concern with the retrink 5x (which seems like an absolute sync monster), but it would also lightly clean up some of the video noise. The LPF on the retrotink is obviously a different implementation on different hardware, but why turn it off?

[Anonymous No.7727176]

>>7727028
>If it doesn’t take RF I don’t want it. Fuck off with your faggy gadgetry.
Do it old school, RF to VCR to composite input. Done.

[Anonymous No.7727180]

AHHHHHHHHH I BOUGHT A NEW PRODUCT GIVE ME UPVOTES AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.7727231]

>>7727180
EDIT: OMG THANKS FOR GOLD!!1!

[Anonymous No.7727239]

>>7727168
Retrovision cables already have a filter on them so doing it again would just create unnecessary detail loss.

[Anonymous No.7727372]

>>7726501
i came in your mom

[Anonymous No.7727376]

>>7726501
I CONSUMED PRODUCT GIVE ME PRAISE

[Anonymous No.7727404]

>>7697178
>>7725458 (You)
>>7726225
>57 dollars of price difference just to have a HDMI output.
Holy shit, i was gonna complain about the clusterfuck to use a VGA to HDMI cable but fuck that, i can live with a bunch of cables instead of paying more than half the price of the unit without HDMI output.

[Anonymous No.7727463]

>>7727024
OSSC
use passthrough for the 480i VHS signal and your tv will do a better deinterlace than most of these scalers.

[Anonymous No.7727468]

>>7727404
here's your image quality faggot, enjoy

[Anonymous No.7727476]

>>7727468
Why would i use anything but a emulator like Higan or BSnes to play Super Nintendo?
The GBS-Control is for PS2 and Xbox, the rest i just emulate like a normal person.
And since the GBS-C is the one that brought Motion Adaptive Deinterlacing to the fold i would be a cuck to pay what Faggot Chi is asking for his new Retrostink.

[Anonymous No.7727498]

>>7726847
line doubling is still scaling by definition

[Anonymous No.7727515]

>>7727476
>using a laggy deinterlace when the OSSC can do 480i x4

[Anonymous No.7727536]

>>7727024
>Do they work well with VHS?
For proper handling of VHS signals you'll need something that does really well with a shitty inconsistent signal. This can either be an old TV designed specifically for this, a TBC or similar device or a scaler
A digital line doubler would work like shit with VHS signals since you'd constantly lose picture, unless you've put the signal through a TBC first which is something only really fancy decks have

[Anonymous No.7727734]

>>7727024
Triple buffer on the 5x actually helps with keeping a stable sync going on damaged VHS tapes. In the My Life in Gaming stream they did recently they played a really shitty VHS tape and it was holding on to the sync for dear life despite the clear damage on it

[Anonymous No.7727752]

OSSC poorfags are seething.

[Anonymous No.7727760]

>>7727476
>>7727404
>>7727468
>>7727752
Why is everyone so fucking tribal about this things. It's fucking weird.
>>7727463
You're better off getting one of those dirt cheap Composite to HDMI converters and capturing the HDMI output for VHS. Since lag doesn't matter, and those cheap-o scalers are basically what's inside your TV, which do a great job on analog 480i video.

[Anonymous No.7727763]

>>7727176
Fuck yeah, this guy knows how it’s done properly.

[Anonymous No.7727770]

>>7727176
I had to use a VCR to convert composite to RF.

[Anonymous No.7727779]

>7727376
Do we need to put up with this sort of posting? I ask you.

[Anonymous No.7727784]

>>7727779
yes, i giggled.

[Anonymous No.7727840]

>>7727176
Old standalone cable tuners will do the trick as well, if you don't need a full size VCR.
>>7727770
You and I both, anon.

[Anonymous No.7727861]

>>7727176
>he doesn't own a proper external RF tuner with composite output
Enjoy your shitty image quality!

[Anonymous No.7727915]

>>7727861
Fuck I would love something like that.

[Anonymous No.7727960]

>>7727861
I own nothing and I'm happy

[Anonymous No.7728028]

[Anonymous No.7728047]

>>7728028
That thing is a beast. I'll probably stick with my 2X for now, or get the cheap-o mini version of it.

[Anonymous No.7728049]

>>7728028
what are you gonna do for audio?

[Anonymous No.7728059]

>>7727149
>>7728049

[Anonymous No.7728064]

>>7728059
you are going to route the audio through a retrotink 2x? for what purpose?

[Anonymous No.7728070]

>>7728064
Need that sweet sweet distortion

[Anonymous No.7728216]

>>7727028
It takes scart, like a big boy.
>RF

[Anonymous No.7728260]

>>7727463
if you are using the pass through function of the OSSC then what is the OSSC doing to the signal, if anything at all?

[Anonymous No.7728283]

>>7726501
It's hard to judge you when there are people in here unironically praising the GBS-C, that thing is more outdated than the Framemeister now. The GBS-C is the Myspace of scalers, lmao.

[Anonymous No.7728309]

>>7728283
mike chi said specifically that he doesn't like your attitude

[Anonymous No.7728327]

>>7728309
What? It's an outstanding scaler though, I just like to nitpick jeesh.

[Anonymous No.7728339]

[Anonymous No.7728346]

>>7726859
>I'm a fag because I want to play my old games on a 52" screen, and not on some fucking 20" box on a wobbly stool
You're an idiot, and you deserve to be raped to death for your idiocy.

[Anonymous No.7728351]

>>7728309
:(

[Anonymous No.7728390]

>>7726765
It blows the OSSC out of the water. I'm dumping my OSSC and Framemeister ASAP while they're still worth something on Ebay. Same with my Rad2x's and original Retrotink. This thing is it. If you're not using CRT, this is it.

>>7727149
I'm using Optical Audio for PS2 and Xbox, and then the Sega CD has direct connections into my receiver, bypassing the Tink.

So far this thing is incredible. Framemeister quality with more options, more smoothing, and adaptive deinterlacing makes the PS2 look like it's a 480p console, flat out.

[Anonymous No.7728410]

>>7728390
4:2:2 sub sampling
4-16ms variable input lag in triple buffer
3-4ms input lag, but very incompatible
No RGsB support
No RGBHV by default, need an adapter
Can't fine tune profiles, just pray that Mike Chi puts out the correct optimal profiles you need later on(This is the guy who put the SCART connector upside down)

The OSSC is still relevant, it's sad honestly.

[Anonymous No.7728416]

>>7728410
Nah. The OSSC is old news.

[Anonymous No.7728424]

>>7727468
I started using a GBS with my OSSC. No noticeable difference. You might be retarded anon

[Anonymous No.7728426]

>>7728410
>he OSSC is still relevant

[Anonymous No.7728594]

>>7728410
>no composite
into the trash

[Anonymous No.7728791]

>>7728410
>SCART connector upside down
It's the correct way, bro.

[Anonymous No.7728818]

>>7728791
>actively hostile to SCART users
pretty radical if you ask me

[Anonymous No.7728970]

>>7728410
>4:2:2 sub sampling
Only on output, and from most comparison shots I couldn't even tell, nothing looks compressed. I only found out when it was told to me
>4-16ms variable input lag in triple buffer
If it isn't passing a frame it won't be noticeable, and this is still lower than a Framemeister
>3-4ms input lag, but very incompatible
For frame lock the TV compatibility will most likely match the OSSC. Also I'm only seeing 2-3ms reported
>No RGsB support
This only matters for PS2 and you're better off using component cables anyway
>No RGBHV by default, need an adapter
You can buy Dreamcast SCART cables that convert the VGA signal, in terms of consoles that's all that matters with VGA (unless you're hooking up a fucking Pippin, which in that case, fair)
>Can't fine tune profiles
Valid point. It'd be neat if he just gave the keys to some autist like FirebrandX to make a whole shitload of profiles, or just made custom profiles an option
>upside down SCART
Out of everything you wrote, this is the only thing that bugs me. Shit looks goofy in most setups I've seen
>The OSSC is still relevant
It was going to stay relevant no matter what solely because it's going to be the only upscaler at its current price point when the next ones coming are all more expensive

[Anonymous No.7729098]

>>7728970
>You can buy Dreamcast SCART cables that convert the VGA signal

mike's own site says not to use sync strippers

[Anonymous No.7729119]

>>7727760
>Why is everyone so fucking tribal about this things.
Welcome to the SCALER WARS, similar to the CONSOLE WARS of the past, once you pick a scaler, that product is now a core part of your identity and anyone who chooses differently is now your mortal enemy.

For example, I think the DCDigital and PS1Digital are really neat mods, so after careful consideration I have decided to wait for the PixelFX Morph, that's the scaler for me. And now, if I encounter someone with a Retrotink 5x, I have a moral obligation to fight them to the death. Seems silly I know, but I don't make the rules, that's simply how it has to be. Expect friendships irreparably broken, relationships destroyed, mass casualties on all sides...

2021 IS THE YEAR OF SCALER WARS

[Anonymous No.7729120]

>>7729098
The Dreamcast 15khz/31khz SCART cables I'm talking about (Retro Access as well as retrogamingcables sell them) just combine the H and V sync. Mike Chi has said on twitter that they're fine, and Try4ce used one on the MLiG Retrotink-5X stream.

[Anonymous No.7729126]

>>7728970
>If it isn't passing a frame it won't be noticeable, and this is still lower than a Framemeister

VARIABLE input lag is the problem here, RIP rhythm games in triple buffer mode. Also, comparing a new product to an 8 year old one is REALLY reaching.

>This only matters for PS2 and you're better off using component cables anyway

You get much more natural colours through RGsB on PS2, luckily I have a backwards compatible PS3 that solves all my issues, but it still sucks for PS2 hardware purists.

[Anonymous No.7729179]

>>7729126
I can't imagine many rhythm games changing resolution when you get into gameplay, so that sounds like a case for frame lock. Even if that was somehow an issue in a rhythm game the resolution changing in frame lock mode is still really fast anyway.
As for RGsB on PS2 I could not find good footage to see this for myself. Some guy uploaded a bunch of """comparison""" videos to Youtube where he fucked up the RGsB output and ruined the picture, and the few videos I did find of correct comparisons I couldn't see much of a difference (granted this could be Youtube compression). Is there a real reason people swear by it?

[Anonymous No.7729186]

>audiophile fagtory tier snake oil

[Anonymous No.7729187]

>>7729179
Bob from RetroRGB has a comparison video from 4 years ago. If you watch it, try and notice how much more natural the red is on the Ferrari in Outrun, and how oversaturated it is in YPbPr.

[Anonymous No.7729219]

>>7726501
Wow awesome and here you are, still not playing games

[Anonymous No.7729221]

>>7729219
It will happen to you.

[Anonymous No.7729270]

>>7729187
Just saw that one. Bob had to say it in the video for me to know which was which in the comparison shot and even he admitted that. It doesn't look "much more natural" in SoG and "oversaturated" in YPbPr, they just look different. I mean fine, it is a difference, but it isn't a "we absolutely need support for this one use case" difference when component is so close.

[Anonymous No.7729283]

>>7729270
This going to sound stupid, but when I'm making a Youtube video, I like to go out of my way to give my captures a distinct feeling compared to others. And RGsB would've been a way to do that, since 99% of people are using YPbPr.

[Anonymous No.7729303]

>>7729120
mike literally says on his site to only use c synd driven by the console, not to use lm1881 or other strippers

[Anonymous No.7729372]

>>7729303
And he also literally said that the cables I'm talking about are fine. These combine sync signals, they don't strip it from anything.

[Anonymous No.7729385]

>>7729372
>rgc scart
>same as retro access

regardless, he says not to do it on his site, get with the times pal

[Anonymous No.7729392]

>>7728346
he's right your a fag

[Anonymous No.7729405]

>>7729385
>both cables just combine the H and V sync signals that come directly from the console, no stripping involved
>Mike Chi gave it the thumbs up a bit more than a week ago
>Try4ce has the cable running on it with no issues (https://youtu.be/m3AOEHIIID8?t=3976))
If you're pretending to be retarded you're doing fantastic, Mike's message on his site about TTL CSYNC or sync strippers does not apply here

[Anonymous No.7729457]

I'm a brainlet so tell me bros if I just want PS2 games not to flicker on my crt, do I need scaler or line doubler?

[Anonymous No.7729467]

>>7729457
You need a deinterlacer you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.7729470]

>>7729405
>no stripping involed
>both cables have an lm1881

[Anonymous No.7729478]

>>7729392
>your

[Anonymous No.7729491]

>>7729470
Where are you seeing that they use an LM1881? Last I checked combining H and V only needs diode logic and the LM1881 doesn't even have H in or V in on its pinouts, it only has one input.

[Anonymous No.7729510]

>>7729491
lm1881 has composite and vertical sync outputs, however on the cables in question it combines the the H and V sync from the dreamcast using passive components before sending them to the IC

[Anonymous No.7729552]

>>7729510
Why would it even need to go to an IC? I thought it just needs a 75 ohm resistor and it could all be done passive. I also still can't find this Dan Kunz PCB design Retro Access supposedly uses.
https://www.retrorgb.com/building-a-passive-sync-combiner.html

[Anonymous No.7729584]

>>7729552
there isn't even a 75 ohm resistor in the schematic you linked lol, Kunz is using a vibrator IC after the passive circuit btw, may not actually be an 1881

[Anonymous No.7729594]

>>7727498
no it's not, line doubling implies 0 frame buffering

[Anonymous No.7729603]

>>7728424
>No noticeable difference
you might be retarded

[Anonymous No.7729625]

>>7729603
already got ossc worth the upgrade. wats the best scaler

[Anonymous No.7729632]

>>7729594
no one said anything about frame buffering, to double something is to literally scale it

[Anonymous No.7729635]

>>7729584
poor choice of words, I mentioned the 75ohm because the 5X product page mentions it as preferred. Where is the board design? The best I can get is squinting at the slightly see-through end of the RGC one like I'm trying on incorrect prescription lenses.

[Anonymous No.7729843]

>>7728791
It's the correct way FOR ME TO POOP ON.

[Anonymous No.7729852]

>>7729457
get a proper crt lmao

[Anonymous No.7729869]

Why don't people just emulate or use RGB on a CRT?
I can understand the CRT if you love that authentic feel of playing old games but by the time you bought the Retrotink, several yellowing consoles and either several expensive flashcarts or a ton of yellowing cartridges you may as well have just built a decent PC and hooked it up to your TV. You'd get the image you're after on top of optional upscaling for 3D games.

[Anonymous No.7729879]

>>7729869
No

[Anonymous No.7730003]

>>7729869
>using 480p consoles on a crt

[Anonymous No.7730129]

>>7726501
https://youtu.be/mqFLXayD6e8

[Anonymous No.7730134]

>>7730003
The Wii looks awesome on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.7730270]

>>7729843
I like that this image is mistakenly conveying that it was a deliberate troll rather than a total utter brainfart on Mike Chi's part

[Anonymous No.7730275]

>>7729119
kek

[Anonymous No.7730608]

>>7730134
>X looks awesome on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.7730612]

>>7730608
I love this picture never stop posting it

[Anonymous No.7730646]

>>7730608
lmfao

[Anonymous No.7730760]

>>7730270
it was deliberate in that adding scart/rgbs-support was done at the last minute to get yuromonies, and he just didn't care enough to change the board-layout. at first 5x was planned to be just composhit/svideo/component again, and you can see that from the design.

plus he admitted to be using a scart-cable to his gscartsw which goes straight from the connector.

[Anonymous No.7730991]

>>7730608
his hair is way too thick here

[Anonymous No.7731089]

>mods deleting comments making fun of this trash

[Anonymous No.7731249]

>>7730608
But it does, that's what it was designed for originally. You don't need to post a shitty meme of some you tube twat to know this.

[Anonymous No.7731541]

OP here, had another day with the Tink 5x. It's just better than every other scaler I've used at this point. I'm going to invest in some component cables and a high quality component switch and that's it. This is the solution whether you want to use the downscaler for 240p or the upscale to 1080/1440. This is it.

[Anonymous No.7731572]

>>7731541
I'm not doubting your shilling but you sound like you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Anonymous No.7731625]

>>7731541
>better than every other scaler I've used at this point
And what exactly have you tried thus far?
Sure it's probably better than 30 bucks worth of Chinesium but how does it compare to a real video processor?

[Anonymous No.7731714]

>>7731541
>downscaling
>on a hdmi-only device
lmao what's the point

[Anonymous No.7731790]

>>7731541
That's what they said about the Framemeister 7 years ago. Once the OSSC Pro is out, the Retrotink 5x will be considered a budget alternative — just like how the Retrotink 2x was compared to the OSSC.

[Anonymous No.7731841]

>>7731714
>$15 DACs don't exist
I sincerely hope you're merely pretending to be retarded

[Anonymous No.7731852]

>>7731841
How's the image quality on those shit-tier chink dacs?
I remember back in the day when VGA was the main video connector on a PC there was a lot of debate about how much of a difference in image quality different DACs had. Matrox was always the clear winner.

[Anonymous No.7732117]

Here's how I decide if I'm going to buy an image processor for video games
>does it have a framebuffer that can't be turned off?
If yes then it goes straight into the trash.

[Anonymous No.7732167]

>>7728390
>So far this thing is incredible. Framemeister quality with more options, more smoothing, and adaptive deinterlacing makes the PS2 look like it's a 480p console, flat out.
I never know what you guys are talking about in these threads. PS2's output IS supposed to be 480p if you use component cables.

[Anonymous No.7732174]

>>7731852
Pic related works well enough for 240p/480p and doesn't introduce any latency. Not sure how well it would work for 1080p but if you're downscaling you probably wouldn't care how it performs with high resolutions

[Anonymous No.7732178]

>>7732167
>PS2's output IS supposed to be 480p if you use component cables.
Not for the majority of games. PS2 is very much a 480i console

[Anonymous No.7732208]

>>7732167
A very small amount of PS2 games actually output with a full 480p unfortunately. Most 480i games act up if you try to force them to 480p as well. The best solution so far has to been to either deal with the relatively lag-free "bob" deinterlacing, or do motion adaptive deinterlacing from the framemeister or a straight passthrough to your tv.

[Anonymous No.7732323]

If you buy these kinds of devices you don't actually play retro games.

[Anonymous No.7732335]

>>7726501
I'm just a filthy casual who doesn't RGB mod his consoles or anything and just wants to get the best output available from his retro consoles (NES, SNES, Genesis, N64, GC, and DC) using commercially available cables on a 50" Samsung 4k television. Which is the better solution for me, this or OSSC?

[Anonymous No.7732336]

>>7726501
Enjoy your input lag.

[Anonymous No.7732524]

>>7732335
I guess it depends on how you want to connect your Dreamcast, if you already got a VGA setup for it the OSSC has a VGA port on it. If you're just using whatever cables you got the 5x involves less you need to deal with if you want to not bother with settings, and better compatibility with TVs

[Anonymous No.7732556]

>>7732335
The NES and N64 max out at Composite and S-Video respectively so only the 5X will work if you don't mod them, since OSSC doesn't support Composite or S-Video. GC has adapters that can get you component video or just straight HDMI. SNES and Genesis already support RGB so you can buy SCART cables for them. Dreamcast is weird, you can buy a VGA setup for the OSSC or buy a 480p Dreamcast SCART cable from RGC or Retro Access whenever they come back in stock.

[Anonymous No.7732662]

>>7729478
*your an fag

[Anonymous No.7732768]

>>7732662
Don't worry anon, you'll get it right one day.

[Anonymous No.7732791]

>>7732768
Thanks for pointing out typos. Your doing gods work.

[Anonymous No.7732863]

>>7732791
Its a hard job your doing. You're brain is running it's paces.

[Anonymous No.7732998]

>>7731841
>>7732174
sorry Mike, wasn't trying to shittalk your retrostink lmao it's just toys and games

[Anonymous No.7733001]

>>7732167
>PS2's output IS supposed to be 480p if you use component cables.
But that's wrong.

[Anonymous No.7733007]

>>7732524
>if you already got a VGA setup for it the OSSC has a VGA port on it
Thanks for the response, but I'm afraid I don't quite understand. The Dreamcast had a VGA cable? Since when?
> If you're just using whatever cables you got the 5x involves less you need to deal with if you want to not bother with settings, and better compatibility with TVs
Oh, I don't mind paying whatever to buy new component cables or even SCART (if they're compatible with my US consoles) if it will get me better output. I just don't want go through the trouble of modding consoles I've owned for decades when there's the risk I could fry them. That's why I'm open to any and all out-of-the-box solutions.
>>7732556
>The NES and N64 max out at Composite and S-Video respectively so only the 5X will work if you don't mod them, since OSSC doesn't support Composite or S-Video. GC has adapters that can get you component video or just straight HDMI. SNES and Genesis already support RGB so you can buy SCART cables for them
I think that clinches it for me, think. OSSC is definitely for me if it doesn't support composite or S-video. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.7733008]

>>7733007
>OSSC is definitely for me
*definitely NOT for me, is what I meant to write. Derp.

[Anonymous No.7733012]

>>7726501
shove it up your ass

[Anonymous No.7733014]

>>7733012
Why would he do that?

[Anonymous No.7733282]

bump

[Anonymous No.7733285]

>>7733012
Based

[Anonymous No.7733350]

>>7726501
Apart from having a stupidly large television and possibly glaucoma, what other reason is there for owning one of these?

[Anonymous No.7733667]

>>7733007
>The Dreamcast had a VGA cable? Since when?
nu/vr/ in a nutshell

[Anonymous No.7733721]

>>7733350
Streaming and/or flexing on poor people on /vr/

[Anonymous No.7733897]

>>7733350
>poor people

it's not expensive

[Anonymous No.7733902]

>>7732323
Is that why I have a Saturn, PS2, SNES, TurboGrafx, Genesis/Sega CD hooked up to it? For looks?

[Anonymous No.7733903]

>>7732323
>>7732323
>>7732323

[Anonymous No.7733905]

>>7731625
>VIDEO PROCESSOR

Is not for video games, mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.7734163]

>>7728260
>>7727463
can someone please answer?

[Anonymous No.7734174]

>>7734163
I suppose that guy's thinking you'd turn the VHS signal into HDMI with the OSSC but he's an idiot and doesn't realize that 99.999% of VHS players don't have RGB output and only have composite and sometimes S-Video neither of which the OSSC accepts.

[Anonymous No.7734215]

>>7733897
So its just rich twats buying it for no reason other than just having it. Mike certainly knows his audience.

[Anonymous No.7734243]

>>7734215
??

[Anonymous No.7734353]

>>7734163
See >>7727760 for VHS capture.

[Anonymous No.7734359]

>>7732863
stop

[Anonymous No.7734379]

>>7734215
>So its just rich twats buying it for no reason other than just having it.
Nah, it's also to make maldies seethe.